Watch This BEFORE Sending ANYTHING To PSA
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- čas přidán 12. 06. 2024
- Watch this video before you submit any rare cards or autographs to PSA. Their guarantee has several loopholes that this interview points out. It cost this collector $7500 …
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The part that gets me is not giving the card back. Similar to US Customs by confiscating anything at any time. Plus the part of fair market value. I'm sure Franks daughter who is a lawyer can find case study of deceptive practices. That is market manipulation. Could we choose what date a cards value is and send it in to PSA not to be uncharged?... and Frank has been a long time customer! This has me fuming!
Collectors put PSA on the top of the mountain ... Only we.chamge it
That’s right!!!! Only we chamge it. J/k messing around. ✌🏻✌🏻✌🏻
@OlinKreutzRules only we can chamge it lmaooo
Just an update: No resolution yet, but PSA President Ryan Hoge is involved now.
Ryan, do the right thing!
Ryan don't be a scum bag if u don't give this man at least his card. Back u are a scum bag. It's his he bought it he owns it. He spent his hard earned money on the card give it back or pay him for it
If Ryan doesn't do anything....... I'd get the FBI involved for fraud. Just saying
Funny that they can grade an autograph but can't tell if it is fake, amazing!
@@insidetheparksportcards1745 👆This 💯
I have a PSA horror story. They don't stand behind their product.
Would love to hear it.
It’s honestly too bad the company is going so far down hill. We need to stand up as collectors and keep raising this awareness.
well the over demand for grading is in large part responsible for the degradation of quality grading.The number of almost common cards sent to PSA by the new gen of flippers is clogging the process.Flippers are to blame for the lack of employee or the lack of experienced employee in the grading business.
And of course the more people are getting involved,the more chances you get some bad apples in the mix scamming their way through the hobby.
Ole Frank looks just like Magnum PI..... shirt and all...
Oh good god i just sent a single autographed card to psa a few days ago, i got it personally signed by the voice actor my self who ive waited half my life to meet, the card is priceless to me...wish me luck i guess...i hope im one of the lucky one's
Please update how it goes!
I’m torn with the seller being responsible. At the time of the sale he didn’t know, but he knew later. I think I would feel bad and try and make some restitution. PSA should step up and accept responsibility for their mistakes.
Hate to hear this. Terrible story. I actually didnt know they could confiscate a card that they deemed fraudulent. Glad you are helping here and pushing back, or they would do NOTHING!
I hear way too many horror stories from PSA to send any of my cards to them
They've failed a TONNE of artist autos in the Pokemon world as well recently. Cards where the owner got it done themselves IN PERSON even.
Nat has said in interviews that the authentication/grading prices scale based on declared value is to account for insurance on the submitted cards. Seems that they are cheerypicking where and how much they want to pay out in insurance. That’s not right.
They can’t pick a random year like that it’s unacceptable
Umm what?
@Kybone He declared at $2500, they said the fair market value is $10, they offered $200 in credit.
They should be paying the declared value for incorrectly stabbing it in the first place, bare minimum.
I'm new to grading, so I looked online to look at pics of psa 10 cards. I sent a 1986 topps Ryne Sandberg in. They gave my card a grade 7. I was pissed. The 86 topps have the black border. The centering on my card was just as good as the 10. My had no whitening compared to the 10. The 10 had two major red fish eye dot. You could barely notice the red dots on mine. They're only 12 graded psa 10. You would think they would they could just go into their data base and see what had been graded a 10 in the past.
They have graded much tougher in recent years because they are trying to control the population of 10s. Something else I have a major problem with. Give the card a proper grade. This isn't college Chemistry 101 where you need a bell curve.
@SportCardMadness thank you for responding. As I mentioned, I'm new to grading. I just want to know what the standards are before I send cards in to be graded. I don't want to waste my money getting a card graded, and the value comes back less than the cost of grading. I recently bought over a million cards from a former card dealer, mostly 80s and 90s. I did get a lot of cards from the 60s and 70s they aren't top grades card. I'm trying to sell a bulk of the cards to recoup my initial investment. For example, the 1986 Ryne Sandberg I have 40 copies. So, selling what I think is a 10 is fine with me.
I dont understand how people think the guy that sent the card to psa to be authenticated, and it came back authenticated, how is it his fault? Why should he give the buyer money back? This is 100% on psa not the seller in my opinion!
It isn't "initially" his fault, but a month after selling Frank this card the seller KNEW it was counterfeit and did not tell Frank (too long of a story to type it all here). Frank didn't find out for months. Still not necessarily fraud, but just poor form. Further, he has continued to sell counterfeit cards and has even tried to do additional deals with Frank. That is what I have a problem with. Well, that and him not feeling bad at all for Frank - esp given he wants to do future biz with him.
@@SportCardMadness I understand now, I see your point. It's horrible for the hobby!
Great video Nick! Thank you for putting this out there!
This is absolutely nuts! I feel awful for Frank. Great video, thank you both for sharing.
My LCS sent in a 1993 UD Gold Hologram Derek Jeter. It returned a PSA 9, but did not have the Gold Hologram label. The LCS sent it back in for correction and it came back with the correct label, but graded PSA 7. PSA will only correspond with the LCS which is understandable, but have not returned their emails. Typical PSA, 0 accountability. Feel bad for fellas like Frank - there needs to be a website that collects these horror stories.
I saw you on Zach’s channel earlier today. Thanks for sharing!
Sure thing!
Not the video I wanted to see after I sent 9 vintage autos to PSA in 3 weeks ago. I know one of the ones I sent in is questionable.
There gonna snatch the questionable card if they deemed it fake. Fuggen bastards man
You just show me why I would NEVER GET A CARD GRADED !! don't fall for this !! You can look at a card and get it close enough to purchase !!!
PSA fails in every possible way. Pricing, consistency, communication, customer service, integrity, wait times, use of ugly baggies, uneven card placement… all pathetic. Not a shock that (yet again) they failed to honor their so-called “guarantee”.
I hate psa I won't use them I turn down alot of cards I'd love to have. Because they were graded by psa. Know I do have some psa slabs but that is because someone owed me a couple grand and the only way he could pay me back was by given me some of his personal sports card collection
As a beginner collector myself, I really stay away from pre 80s cards. That can be really risky.
Problem here is people are also part of the problem. Collectors need to stop sending their cards to PSA, as if they are the only true grading company available. There are really good, fair and trustworthy grading companies out there, besides PSA. Wherever there is monopoly it is never good for the market and those who always lose the most are the customers (collectors). Stop empowering PSA!
ever since the steve grad incident at psa .i say f them.but becket hired him.read what he did.
Psa probably kept his card
Ya thanks but I'll just keep on using BGS thanks. Never had a single problem with them. Love my sub grades.
It sounds like PSA has a new cocky autograph person who thinks he knows everything and maybe doesn't, I would send I t to JSA when you get it back and maybe it is a good autograph. STAY AWAY FROM PSA until they get there crap together.
I agree with both of you but you keep mentioning to not deal with PSA for a year but no explanation on why for a year is really confusing. What does 1 year have to do with anything? If you’re that angry with PSA’s services I wouldn’t deal with them for life. Not just 1 measly year. But that’s just me. Is something going to get drastically better at PSA in 1 year from now that I’m not aware of?
Good point. It may just be forever. I’m hopeful that they improve but at this point I’m excited about JSA slabbing. -Nick
PSA needs to reimburse him the value of the card after it is graded plus the shipping charges and fees and everything else
Playing Devils Avocate , whose to say the seller didn't Crack the slab replaced it with a fake auto and sold it. It happened to me on a rookie Trout. Dudes know how to do it. There's scammers everywhere.
Psa damaged a very expensive card of mine! I have proof. And am contacting them concerning this!!!!
Good luck, haha.
@@markstein1916 like they care! Plus downgraded my sgc crossovers
Same thing here! I think the only way to make them fix it is a class action lawsuit! I've seen plenty of collector's that has had some kind of problem with psa!!!
I left psa in the late 90’s
If PSA grades a card and you undervalue it they charge you the fee based on what the value is if it gets a good grade. Such bullshit
Yar and then the cards drop down 200% a few weeks later, so you're effectively losing money.
One of the bug reasons I hate psa
Digital grading is the most consistent grading there is why are we not all using digital grading forget leaving it up to humans to inconsistent and to many mistakes
Completely agree. But then people would somehow program the AI to benefit themselves. Cards are fun…not an investment. Even the fun is fading…
Sue them into oblivion.
I would try thats for sure
you need to sue them, the guarantee is not even the issue, you purchased the card based on they authentication which they now say was in error. The fact that you sent it back to get graded has nothing to do with your bad purchase based on their authoritative advise.
Grading is overrated, and corrupted. Expensive and I have no need to grade my PC. This is a sad story and hurts the cardboard market. You cannot trust even the highest regarded companies. Sad......... nuff said
I agree that's why I buy raw if you know what to look for when it comes to fake and real. All you have to do is a little research and there is alot of people that can show you how to spot fakes and what to look for. PSA cards are way over valued in most cases.
COMPLETELY agree!
PSA screw up... pay the man his money...
Sucks but it’s not the guy who sold it to him problem, if he didn’t know & was passed by psa…it is 100% on psa
ugh, makes me sick to my stomach that I just sent 11 1950s & 60s auto cards to them to crossover from psa/dna auth to dual graded… 🤞🤞🤞
Praying for you!
People need to stop feeding them “money for nothing”!
PSA should reimburse frank the money he bought the card for. He bought it because of the PSA slab.
If they grade a million cards a month I think they can afford it…
Plus all fees
the set registry really is an incredible program. keeping track of what is out there, how rare your set is, and working to improve and being able to judge it against others is really valuable. the majority of the best cards in existence are locked up in registry sets.
Yes. I would like to know who is passing bad autographs. Thanks.
Put up a photo of the card...
Thank You so very much.Frank got screwed.Its bs
I sent a ball signed by the 1926 Yankees. It came back authenticated but said the Babe Ruth was a clubhouse. The ball was given to me by a friend who said his grandpa got all the autographs himself from the players. How do I have someone else take a look? Thank you.
HOW TO Submit ✍️ Autographed Items To JSA
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Do we know any pricing on what JSA is going to charge for authentication?
They better be watching PSA I'm old like this guy I just started grading my cards now I'm thinking twice tighten up PSA Make it right
Avoid PSA at all costs! If you MUST grade them, go with SGC.
Terrible that this happened. Hopefully there’s a better outcome. I think PSA deserves criticism, but I don’t think you did it accurately. You should have reiterated that the guarantee does not cover autographs. That’s a big point that you didn’t touch on enough. Secondly, obviously they’re screwing him on valuation, but you should provide evidence for a better valuation. It’s an extremely rare card/auto so I don’t think they’re “cherry picking”, there are probably no sales. You said cherry picking a hundred times
Agreed but PSA needs to be better about communicating the lack of applicability of the guarantee to autographs. Me and just about every collector I spoke with truly had no idea. He provided a sales receipt but that isn’t sufficient evidence as there are no public / recent sales; though they can certainly look at other rare autos of obscure players in this set and quickly realize $10 is asinine. Further, they have access to the registry. Reach out to owners of this card and take a dollar cost avg of the sales price. There are about 700 different ways they could have gone with this that would have been more productive and accurate.
@@SportCardMadness that’s my point, PSA doesn’t communicate it, so for your viewers, you should have drove home that point about guarantee not covering autographs. Great video though
@@mjcollector1million Thanks … I agree I’ll do more videos around this and help get the word out.
so what do i do with my raw jordan rookie thats not gonna grade that great? I did get a ton of other cards equal value prolly..Man I need the MJ graded though it's selling for more raw than it will graded right now! edit: meaning I bought the card in $50 packs with other cards!!
SGC for vintage period
I’m confused. So he bought it after it was authenticated in 2023 but they put it in a old holder? Just curious why it wasn’t in a new holder already and why he had to send it in the first place. Enjoyed the video
Even geoff wilson is starting to talk shit on them. Its wild.
Who do you recommend to use for grading, if not PSA?
@@greezyzgurage JSA when they slab autos. Short term PSA has the most value but you can use BECKETT and Tag as well.
From PSA as well
"PSA guarantees" and everything after those first two words isn't guaranteed.
well grading or authentic is just an opinion such a scam! my friend used them, and they tried to put that same crap, never got his photos back that were missing, and he had to show an invoice what he paid for it, and they paid it out took a long time for to get the money. plus, for the guy weather he knew or didn't it still fall on P.S.A. doesn't make that person any better to rip off someone.
I haven't used psa for vintage for 2 years after getting screwed every time by the young grader punks , i only use sgc
PSA damaged my Stephen Curry Contenders Rookie Ticket Auto and sent it back saying it was altered.
I won't use p.s.a. i use sgc because i like the black tuxedo slab. And i hate the fact people down grade my sgc 10s because they tell me oh well its not p.s.a its worthless. Ive had people beg me for a card i show it to them and they say u ruined because u didnt send to psa . I wont even by a card now if its in a psa holder. Why is p.s.a so much better then all these other companys i dont get it a gem 10 is a gem 10
PSA now owns SGC
Do you have an address for JSA grading
good advice common sense thank you
Terrible. Great episode. Sending DM
Psa needs extra 🔥 insurance
they don't 'sometimes grade they autograph' - they acknowledge it's authentic by "authentication."
You can't blame the guy who sold you the card 😂 When he sold you it in a authetic PSA holder
True, but would you feel the same way if he knew one month later for certain it was a counterfeit and wanted to do future business with Frank? Probably in his interest to make it right … or at least care a little.
@SportCardMadness When it comes to making it right in this particular instance, he'll no PSA should make it right it was their mistake. Now, when it comes to him knowingly selling fake cards, I totally agree with you that he should refund the full amount, and his face should be posted all over social media so no one is affected by this scum! As of recently, PSA has been accused of a PSA machine partnership with scammers. They claim to be decertifying altered cards, which they are again cherry-picking cases when some instagraming can point out so many altered cards, among other things most probably they ultimately need to be regulated at this point or boycotted.
@@americanpurge 1. The seller did have it graded. Did you watch the video? 2. The slabbed card was rescinded and confiscated by PSA. 3. Seller did know it was fake a month later. That is a fact. I know this because unlike you I am close to the situation, which includes knowledge of the counterfeiter identity as well as the timing of the case. 4. I agree the seller did no wrong when he overzealously polluted the market with counterfeit signatures, but once he found out and CONTINUED to sell fake autos after being made aware (and continues to do so today). THAT I have a problem with and so should you. DM me on Instagram … I’ll give you my phone # and we can chat about this so you have a better understanding of the situation. That won’t be achieved through CZcams comments. -Nick
dude you interrupted him so many times... lol
My biggest problem with grading is that it is all up to interpretation and personal judgement, sort of like judging gymnastics in the Olympics. One guys 10 is another guys 8. I wouldn’t say I would never buy a PSA slab because I have. In that transaction I have the control in determining if I shell out for a 7, 8, 9, or in an alternate universe a 10. But if I submit cards from my collection I can’t be guaranteed that the process is streamlined amongst their grading team. Nor can I be assured that they’re even competent to begin with, Frank’s incident as the ultimate example. I don’t give a damn how much you wanna change your slabs, or how much turnover you have in graders, something comes back through that door to be reslabbed, it leaves with the same grades and authentications.
Had 1 experience with psa and so far it's terrible.....
same. actually the first 3 experiences with PSA have been horrible, but when i got my cj stroud downtown back in a psa 10 it made up for all that before.
Seller of this card has no responsibility, nothing he did was wrong. If he sold a card he thought was real and authenticated there is no way he shares responsibility for psa being bipolar.
@@InTheZone85 I agree, but one month later he knew it was counterfeit and doesn’t care + continues to sell known counterfeits.
@@SportCardMadness did he find out from this incident or did he found out after he sold it and prior to this buyer informing him of psas wrongdoing?
And how would you know he's selling and continuing to sell known counterfeits?
@@InTheZone85 He found out separately from this incident. A group of vintage autograph collectors discovered the counterfeiter and one of them tipped off PSA. All good but if it was me I would feel bad selling garbage esp if this guy wants to do future biz w Frank (which he does)
@@InTheZone85 I have also been approached by several people in the middle of deals with him. They have shown me the cards and they are from the counterfeiter. He bought a massive stash and overzealously polluted the market w raw cards. Now he’s backed off a little but continues to sell through multiple eBay handles and identities.
@@SportCardMadness that's good to know but it still raises the question of how do they know he's selling counterfeit, what proof there is. Right now it's he said she said. From my view we don't know if the seller knew prior. We don't know if the seller took the risk to get them authenticated. We don't know if the seller bought them from someone else. To me this should be a lawsuit between psas customers against PSA and not a buyer against a PSA customer if what you're saying is valid.
I design and build some of the forensic spectral equipment used for authentication. My devices are at Quantico with the FBI. They are in jails and forensic labs all over the country. I personally feel PSA and other authenticating entities vastly overstate their abilities. I've been around some of the worlds best forgery experts, and they don't have the confidence to guarantee anything. The verbage is always "very probable" or "highly unlikely." The only times they are certain is when they find two different inks or materials that didn't exist when the forgery was supposedly made.
if you contacted TAG grading I bet they would love to work with you in introducing some of your spectral equipment into one of those self service grading kiosk they are supposedly working on. Would you be confident in building something that could help the hobby?
Fxck PSA! PieceaShytAuthentication
TAG grading is the way to go. They need to step up their game to handle more cards and more type of cards and years.
If they add autographs it would be awesome
@@SportCardMadness yeah this is what I'm saying they need to step their game up
We determine what grading company is best by what we buy. Ask bud light and tractor supply about the power of the consumer. As pointed out below. PSA will change when we stop inflating the value of their cards by over paying and when we stop sending them millions of cards per month. TAG grading is the best but collectors act like a cult and follow the herd over the cliff refusing to change. AI grading is long overdue and TAG is the first to bring it. Watch TAG videos. People have tried to submit the same card twice after breaking it out and the AI caught it had already graded that card! Much better than a 20 something kid who drank and partied too much the night before handing out all 10's at PSA or the employee who lost their girlfriend last night giving all 8's. PSA has too much power with no transparency. And we the collector have given them that power.
How does TAG work with older cards?
WHAT?!?!? THEY STOLE HIS CARD ALSO???? Screw PSA - I would NEVER use PSA! SGC is WAY BETTER for vintage and autos. I examine the card myself and don't use any of them. I can grade cards myself and I am very picky. Don't buy a card because of a grade.
As a beginner card collector, I am glad I seen this video bc i was about to stsrt sending my cards to PSA for grading/etc. Any suggestion on what other company I can use for grading/ labeling??
@@chrisescobar2047 PSA has the most value right now so if you are flipping go ahead and use them. If you are collecting long term test some others like TAG and Beckett. 💯 JSA for autographed cards
@@SportCardMadness who is that guy you are referring too as bad actors? as a beginner card collector I want to stay away from ppl like that, as much as possible..
@@chrisescobar2047 DM me on IG @BostonCardHunter
That’s asinine
This is horrible! I can't believe they did that to him.
What would you do with a 1983 Dominique Wilkins XRC that I got signed in person at the ATL National in '99?
If you want it slabbed send to Beckett if you just want a cert do JSA. Or wait 6-12 months and use PSA
@@SportCardMadness are you confident that things will improve in a year?
@@kempercor No …
I’ve had at least 5 cards get rejected by PSA that I was holding the card when it was signed
Why wait 6 to 12 months
I just bought a psa 10 caitlin clark refractor but after receiving the card found out its not actually a refractor the psa label was wrong!
I would sue PSA …
Came over from Zachs channel.
Thank you
I don't trust PSA anymore.
Another reason why not to use PSA and just go with SGC they are a way better company even though PSA bought SGC SGC is still the way to go. I don’t care what anyone says because PSA is only good if you get a other than that, people value a PSA nine as a raw card.
Psa is trash sent them a mahomes out of 75. Nothing wrong with it but got a 9 cause it looks like they ding the front of it somehow. Psa is garbage
PSA is 🗑. Once the hobby wakes up to what TAG grading is doing, there will be a new King crowned 👑.
This aint no planet. Its a flat earth!
I understand this might have been initially been FUBAR by PSA authentication. But they have offered him a refund and Credit. To be sure, the part I dont get is what is this guy after exactly? I mean who is Art Harris anyway and what does this guy think its worth? Its almost delusional as the people who think that there cards are still worth 2020 prices. I would take the credit and move on, he is wasting his own time.
The values seem crazy because you aren't a high end vintage autograph set collector and the sales are almost always private for the rarer cards (Art Harris is the 2nd hardest in that set). I have the signed 1986 Fleer set autographed and slabbed and am one away from the signed 1969 NBA Topps set. I would have no problem paying $5K+ for a PSA Slabbed Art Harris card (I personally got a deal at $2500 for mine bc it was raw) and could name 20 other high end set guys instantly right now that would do the same. This isn't a 2020 thing - the value of these signed vintage cards have gone up continuously with no dip ... think of them as bonds vs. stocks. To offer $10 is one of the most monumentally insane things I've ever heard in all my years of collecting. I connected with Ryan and was able to get him $2500.
@@SportCardMadness I am glad it worked out for him. In the end, you really helped him out. Regardless of any difference in opinion -- Keep up the good.
So he extremely underinsured the card to save himself a couple bucks. That's PSAs fault?
@@EmmAyeVee It’s their fault for not honoring the insured amount of $2500 (whether under or not). The $10 first offer seems a bit insulting given that insurance level he paid for right?
@SportCardMadness I completely agree with that. PSA should have, at the very least, honored the coverage amount that he paid for. But I still feel that he underinsured himself by only paying the $25 insurance to save himself such a small amount of money for a card that cost over $5k. Not a smart move that cost the owner of the card big time and a complete scumbag move on part of PSA for copping out on their insurance coverage.
Who selling fakes?
Hit me up on IG @BostonCardHunter
I DON'T EVEN TRUST CALIFORNIA! 🇺🇸
Why would you?
If Nat or Ryan gets ahold of this they will make it right I believe. Frank is a well known, respected hobbyist.
Who is the bad actor ?
DM on IG
Bgs is the way to go, psa is ridiculous and it's issues have gotten out of hand.
NEVER liked this grading crap, PERIOD. Everything is subject to someone else's speculation. Don't waste your money!
PSA has always been a scam but, 2 things. This guy thinks he can dictate the value and price of a card that nobody else is looking for. He paid how much for it? He's just stupid. How desperate can you be for a worthless collection.
Psa is full of sht