That's actually something I'm considering doing. I've tried it in the past but I'm not going to lie trying to bash, pay attention to what I'm testing, record and talk all the same time gets very challenging. It's a kind of challenging enough just trying to bash and record at the same time. I'll definitely keep it in mind though! Thanks for watching :-)
@redblue40rc33 I don't really see that ever actually being an issue. If your car is rusting badly enough for that to actually become a problem you might want to consider why that's happening. I am not super careful with drying my vehicles and I don't think I've ever had an RC car get rusty enough to where that would actually be an issue.
Hi, Usually i buy from vitavon. Vitavon has excellent service and quality. Im building XRT and need pinion/spur combo. GPM is half price.. I dont trust GPM, however i trust you😅 What do you think about GPM gears.. How is the quality compere to vitavon gears? Love your channel! Greetings from Norway😊
In my admittedly limited experience the GPM gears seem to be pretty good quality. They probably aren't quite as good as vitavon but at least the ones that I've tested have been sufficient.
I destroyed yesterday GPM 52T 1.0M spur for the Sledge. It is definitelly worse material than traxxas original. Survived two days on dirt track only. Also another GPM product are not a best quality. Their sway bars where was bad quality of thread what leads to stripped nut. For me it is just cheap a china. Also their aluminium upgrades like wheel hub and arms are bad quality of aluminium which i tried on XO. I wish you luck with 1,5M spur. Because i finished with this company.
Interesting. I used their mod 1 gear on my sledge for a while and had no issues with it. I haven't heard anybody else experience issues with theirs either. I made a video about it and saw no negative reviews in the comments. I wonder if the one that you got missed heat treat or something. A lot of their older stuff definitely wasn't good quality but all the newer stuff that I've tried has been great.
So which has been more durable the MMM spur and Pinon or the Gpm? Have you tried the vitavon 1.5 mod gears. I need to buy a third set. Stock garbage Hardened steel from traxxas still garbage. They shouldn't be breaking like this driving in back yard. Any advice be greatly appreciated
I'd have to imagine long-term the MMM gear is going to be more durable. It's just hard to picture something that was made in Germany and cost three times as much not being better made but I don't have the long-term experience to be able to know for sure. I do know that the MMM gear is extremely durable and so far the GPM gear which is still in my truck is holding up great. Yes the vitavon gears are also good but personally I always recommend keeping the Kush drive as it's an important part the system that keeps things from breaking.
I've been following you a lot . And watching the videos. I heard you say the mmm spur gear m1 1.5 is good and strong. Wondering if you could tell me where to get that. I appreciate your help.
First of all thanks for watching the videos I appreciate it :-) I talk all about the MMM gear in this video and the US distributors Facebook information is in the description. They don't have it on a website or anything like that unfortunately. czcams.com/video/gvZ4_vOFctA/video.html
You can't use the pins when running aftermarket gears. You'll have to set the mesh manually. I would recommend getting the Traxxas reinforcing washers for under the motor mount and then take a look at my mesh setting video.
Im building a New XRT Slider. Max5/5690, 1/5 Scale wheel/tire that is slightly smaller than stock. Going straight to Mod 1.5. Looking at Mod 1 and Mod 1.5 Gear Charts specifically the Diameter Difference between the two. Has anyone tried matching the diameters between the two to get a comparison ? I see a Mod 1-50T @ 52mm and a Mod 1.5-33T @ 52.5mm. Have had gas/nitro since 70's. 1st "Real" Electric RC. Just trying to figure out about where I want to start gear ratio wise since motor is more power than stock and tires will be slightly smaller. Stock 20T/50T (Mod 1, 22mm & 52mm) and Upgraded 13T/33T (Mod 1.5, 22.5mm & 52.5mm) If going by Mod 1.5 tooth count and trying to stay close to 2.50 Stock Ratio with 20T/50T then it looks to be 14T/35T. Any thoughts ? I know some of the gearing will be affected/determined by motor and battery temps. Ive just seen a lot of Mod 1.5 in XRT's with Hobbywings running 25/30, 25/35, 21/35 etc. Thanks a bunch.
With that set up I'd start out around 21:35. The stock gearing is very conservative because the stock system is fairly weak. With that upgraded system you can get away with a lot more.
Thanks for the content ! good work, I'm upgrading my XRT to a Max 6 combo with a 1250kv motor. What would be a safe gear choice? I'm in southern cal. mainly running in loose to hard pack terrain. Thanks again for the content.
I'd start at 20 teeth and go from there. Gearing is such a personal thing that's really hard to make a recommendation based on my own experience but I'm running 21 with the 1100 KV motor so I think 20 with a 1250 is a decent starting point
No. They will work with the stock motor mount. You won't be able to use the pin system to adjust and you should probably get the Traxxas reinforcing washers for the mounting screws but the stock mount will work fine.
So, being new to the XRT size and already stripping 3 spur and pinion gears this looks great for more durability but what about the pinion gear? Do I need to find a 1.5 pinion as well or do the normal 20t pinions mesh well with this 1.5 spur gear?
Yes. You'll need a mod 1.5 pinion as well. This GPM gear can also be purchased as a set with a mod 1.5 pinion that will fit the stock motor. That's what I would recommend. If you have an aftermarket motor with an 8 mm shaft you can use saga opinions that you can get on eBay. They're pretty good. Thanks for watching and if you aren't already subscribed a sub is appreciated :-)
Does anyone know where I can find 5 mm bore for stock X max motor 1.5 mod pinion gear I don't wanna run the 12 tooth pinion that comes with the GPM spur
Unfortunately there aren't a lot of options. I think WFO makes some and there's also a adapter sleeve you can get to go from 8 mm bore to 5 mm bore. I've never used it but it should work.
Ran these gears, the spur drug on the side of the chassis and the driveline. When measured outside diameter of the 1.5 35 was 0.035 larger than the M 1 54 tooth. did I get a bad gear or is everyone just ignoring the drag marks on inside?
I'm going to go with bad gear. I have run two of these now and have recommended them to many other people. This is the first I've heard of it. I think if these gears were binding on the chassis I would have heard about it by now.
You can get them straight from GPM and I think they also have them on eBay. The ratio will just depend on what you're putting it in and what mods you have.
I don't know of a chart but you can easily find the ratio yourself by dividing one number by the other. For instance 18/50 is just 50 divided by 18. That gives you a ratio of 2.77 to 1. You can then take the spur gear and divide it by that number to get the pinion gear you would need. So 35 tooth spur / 2.77 is 12.6 so you can either go with a 12 or 13 tooth pinion in that case.
I also have purchased the Max 6 combo with the 1650 kv motor. I was thinking of getting the GPM gears 20 and 25 tooth 1.5 mod motor gears to go along with the 35 tooth pinion heat. Will this be a good choice ? I still have the stock setup in my XRT. In info and help would be great. Just now getting back into the game and a lot to learn . Been out of it for about 30 plus years. Again thanks for your time and help.
20/35 would be pretty aggressive with the 1650 KV system. I'm running 21/35 with the 1100 KV system and it feels pretty perfect. You'll probably need to run more like 15/35 with the 1650 KV system but gearing depends on a lot of different variables including bashing style, ambient temperature, tires used, terrain etc.
@Xbot4Life depends on what your goals are. The Max 6 with the stock motor is definitely a decent combination but if you're wanting to do wild stunts like triple and quadruple backflips you're going to need more power.
@Harvz78 The GPM mod 1.5 12 tooth is 5 mm. Most of the rest of them are going to be 8 mm. Your other option is to get an 8 mm to 5 mm sleeve adapter. I have used them previously and they do work though they probably aren't ideal.
That's just about the same as the stock gear ratio so other than being more durable and probably a little bit louder There really wouldn't be any noticeable difference. Thanks for watching and if you enjoy my videos a sub is appreciated!
@@rcrelatedstuff6092 The ones that GPM makes have a 5 mm bore and I think there are a couple other options for them but the majority of the gears you're going to get in mod 1.5 will be 8 mm bore. You can also get an adapter sleeve to go from 8 mm to 5 mm though I don't have any experience with those myself.
I just got the spur gear on AliExpress. I'm running a 19 tooth 8 mm bore saga pinion. The gears that come with the kit are designed for the stock motor.
So far so good. I still haven't fixed the alignment problem that I have somewhere in my system so it's only wearing on one edge of the gear and still seems to be doing well. I expect it to last well long-term.
@justincase948 no. The stock motor has a 5 mm shaft and there aren't a lot of options available for that shaft size. I think GPM makes a couple but that was with the 5687 hobby wing motor with the 8 mm shaft
You can determine the ratio of your gears by dividing one number by the other so in the case of 20/50 you would end up with 0.4/1. You can then take that smaller number and multiply the larger number of the gears you're trying to figure out to figure out the other one. So in this case 35*0.4 is 14. So in this case you would want a 14 tooth pinion.
Yes I've used the harden mod 1 gears. They're okay but I wasn't terribly impressed with them. The funny thing is that harden isn't a brand or anything it's just a misspelling of hardened.
I've used both. They're okay but honestly I wouldn't spend money on a replacement stock or even extra wide one when you can upgrade for not that much more money.
Hey I don't normally do links because I don't want people thinking I'm trying to profit off of affiliate links or anything like that. Also links tend to change frequently so I don't want to have outdated information. You can easily find them on eBay or just by googling though. Thanks for watching and if you enjoy the videos they sub is appreciated :-)
Yes. You can run it with whatever motor system you want. Not sure you'll get much advantage of it with the stock motor system since the stock gears are actually pretty strong but you can't do it.
I don't do links for two reasons. The first one is that I don't want people to think that I'm profiting from these videos because I'm not and the other one is that links change constantly so if I post something up it'll end up being invalid a month later. You can Google it though and should be able to find it pretty easily!
One of the only channels that I value and trust your opinion! Thanks
Thanks man I appreciate it :-)
Question who makes the MMM mod 1.5 gears ?
@@gerardosoler8935 MMM is the actual company that makes them. I think the full name is MMM Germany
i think something to add which would be better than music , would be to discuss you gears and such while bashing in the yard
That's actually something I'm considering doing. I've tried it in the past but I'm not going to lie trying to bash, pay attention to what I'm testing, record and talk all the same time gets very challenging. It's a kind of challenging enough just trying to bash and record at the same time.
I'll definitely keep it in mind though! Thanks for watching :-)
Good to see more mod 1.5 options hitting the market! Have you reviewed the Hot Racing mod 1.5 35T cush drive spur yet? Keep up the good work 👍🏼
Not yet but I will be checking one out. I expect it to be decent
@@DoRC I've had one for a while now and it's been great. Also, those PR Racing diff gears did the trick, they're holding up great!
@@cornfed2.0t99does it fit under the gear cover?
Awesome yeah they definitely are good!
It should. The gears are very similar in diameter to the stock ones.
Keep up the great work bro!
Thanks appreciate it :-)
Great gear! The hinge pins look like a copy of M2c’s threaded hinge pins.
Yeah they are very similar. They seem to work really well though!
Hinge pins head too thin..if they rust, they'll pull thru the holes...ehhh
@redblue40rc33 I don't really see that ever actually being an issue. If your car is rusting badly enough for that to actually become a problem you might want to consider why that's happening. I am not super careful with drying my vehicles and I don't think I've ever had an RC car get rusty enough to where that would actually be an issue.
i couldnt keep that rear input gear in my little maxx until i went to gpm
Yeah a lot of their new stuff is really good!
Hi, Usually i buy from vitavon. Vitavon has excellent service and quality. Im building XRT and need pinion/spur combo. GPM is half price.. I dont trust GPM, however i trust you😅 What do you think about GPM gears.. How is the quality compere to vitavon gears? Love your channel! Greetings from Norway😊
In my admittedly limited experience the GPM gears seem to be pretty good quality. They probably aren't quite as good as vitavon but at least the ones that I've tested have been sufficient.
I destroyed yesterday GPM 52T 1.0M spur for the Sledge. It is definitelly worse material than traxxas original. Survived two days on dirt track only. Also another GPM product are not a best quality. Their sway bars where was bad quality of thread what leads to stripped nut. For me it is just cheap a china. Also their aluminium upgrades like wheel hub and arms are bad quality of aluminium which i tried on XO. I wish you luck with 1,5M spur. Because i finished with this company.
Interesting. I used their mod 1 gear on my sledge for a while and had no issues with it. I haven't heard anybody else experience issues with theirs either. I made a video about it and saw no negative reviews in the comments.
I wonder if the one that you got missed heat treat or something.
A lot of their older stuff definitely wasn't good quality but all the newer stuff that I've tried has been great.
So which has been more durable the MMM spur and Pinon or the Gpm?
Have you tried the vitavon 1.5 mod gears.
I need to buy a third set.
Stock garbage
Hardened steel from traxxas still garbage.
They shouldn't be breaking like this driving in back yard.
Any advice be greatly appreciated
I'd have to imagine long-term the MMM gear is going to be more durable. It's just hard to picture something that was made in Germany and cost three times as much not being better made but I don't have the long-term experience to be able to know for sure. I do know that the MMM gear is extremely durable and so far the GPM gear which is still in my truck is holding up great.
Yes the vitavon gears are also good but personally I always recommend keeping the Kush drive as it's an important part the system that keeps things from breaking.
Thanks, this is good👍
Yeah definitely a good option :-) thanks for watching and if you enjoy my videos a sub is appreciated!
Nice video! is the gear noise louder than the stock mod 1?
Mod 1.5 gears are always going to be louder than mod one gears but these aren't terrible.
I've been following you a lot . And watching the videos. I heard you say the mmm spur gear m1 1.5 is good and strong. Wondering if you could tell me where to get that. I appreciate your help.
First of all thanks for watching the videos I appreciate it :-)
I talk all about the MMM gear in this video and the US distributors Facebook information is in the description. They don't have it on a website or anything like that unfortunately.
czcams.com/video/gvZ4_vOFctA/video.html
I just bought the GPM 35T and 12T and the 13T . What’s the pin setting on the motor pins ?
You can't use the pins when running aftermarket gears. You'll have to set the mesh manually. I would recommend getting the Traxxas reinforcing washers for under the motor mount and then take a look at my mesh setting video.
Im building a New XRT Slider. Max5/5690, 1/5 Scale wheel/tire that is slightly smaller than stock. Going straight to Mod 1.5. Looking at Mod 1 and Mod 1.5 Gear Charts specifically the Diameter Difference between the two. Has anyone tried matching the diameters between the two to get a comparison ? I see a Mod 1-50T @ 52mm and a Mod 1.5-33T @ 52.5mm. Have had gas/nitro since 70's. 1st "Real" Electric RC. Just trying to figure out about where I want to start gear ratio wise since motor is more power than stock and tires will be slightly smaller. Stock 20T/50T (Mod 1, 22mm & 52mm) and Upgraded 13T/33T (Mod 1.5, 22.5mm & 52.5mm) If going by Mod 1.5 tooth count and trying to stay close to 2.50 Stock Ratio with 20T/50T then it looks to be 14T/35T. Any thoughts ? I know some of the gearing will be affected/determined by motor and battery temps. Ive just seen a lot of Mod 1.5 in XRT's with Hobbywings running 25/30, 25/35, 21/35 etc. Thanks a bunch.
With that set up I'd start out around 21:35. The stock gearing is very conservative because the stock system is fairly weak. With that upgraded system you can get away with a lot more.
What pin location do you use for the motor ?
Anytime you use aftermarket gears you have to set the mesh manually. The pin is really only work with the Traxxas gears.
Thanks for the content ! good work, I'm upgrading my XRT to a Max 6 combo with a 1250kv motor. What would be a safe gear choice? I'm in southern cal. mainly running in loose to hard pack terrain. Thanks again for the content.
I'd start at 20 teeth and go from there. Gearing is such a personal thing that's really hard to make a recommendation based on my own experience but I'm running 21 with the 1100 KV motor so I think 20 with a 1250 is a decent starting point
@@DoRC thanks man!
@@terrypeterson9783 You're welcome :-) Thanks for watching!
Do you need to change the stock motor mount to be able to install the 1.5mod 35t spur and 30t pinion?
I'm not 100% positive but I don't think the stock mount is going to have enough movement to support that total gear tooth number.
Do you have to buy a new motor mount to run those gears
No. They will work with the stock motor mount. You won't be able to use the pin system to adjust and you should probably get the Traxxas reinforcing washers for the mounting screws but the stock mount will work fine.
So, being new to the XRT size and already stripping 3 spur and pinion gears this looks great for more durability but what about the pinion gear? Do I need to find a 1.5 pinion as well or do the normal 20t pinions mesh well with this 1.5 spur gear?
Yes. You'll need a mod 1.5 pinion as well. This GPM gear can also be purchased as a set with a mod 1.5 pinion that will fit the stock motor. That's what I would recommend. If you have an aftermarket motor with an 8 mm shaft you can use saga opinions that you can get on eBay. They're pretty good. Thanks for watching and if you aren't already subscribed a sub is appreciated :-)
Does anyone know where I can find 5 mm bore for stock X max motor 1.5 mod pinion gear I don't wanna run the 12 tooth pinion that comes with the GPM spur
Unfortunately there aren't a lot of options. I think WFO makes some and there's also a adapter sleeve you can get to go from 8 mm bore to 5 mm bore. I've never used it but it should work.
Ran these gears, the spur drug on the side of the chassis and the driveline. When measured outside diameter of the 1.5 35 was 0.035 larger than the M 1 54 tooth. did I get a bad gear or is everyone just ignoring the drag marks on inside?
I'm going to go with bad gear. I have run two of these now and have recommended them to many other people. This is the first I've heard of it. I think if these gears were binding on the chassis I would have heard about it by now.
How to get them? and what ratio?
You can get them straight from GPM and I think they also have them on eBay. The ratio will just depend on what you're putting it in and what mods you have.
Hi, the spur is 35T and the pinion 25T?
Depends on what motor you're running. The spur is 35 tooth and I think I was running a 21 on this setup
Is there a chart you can convert you current gear ratio to the mod1.5? I’m currently running 18/50
I don't know of a chart but you can easily find the ratio yourself by dividing one number by the other. For instance 18/50 is just 50 divided by 18. That gives you a ratio of 2.77 to 1. You can then take the spur gear and divide it by that number to get the pinion gear you would need. So 35 tooth spur / 2.77 is 12.6 so you can either go with a 12 or 13 tooth pinion in that case.
@@DoRC thanks for that, yeah work it out by the ratio sweet 👍🏻
Good idea to keep the cush drive
I agree. Thanks for watching!
I also have purchased the Max 6 combo with the 1650 kv motor. I was thinking of getting the GPM gears 20 and 25 tooth 1.5 mod motor gears to go along with the 35 tooth pinion heat. Will this be a good choice ? I still have the stock setup in my XRT. In info and help would be great. Just now getting back into the game and a lot to learn . Been out of it for about 30 plus years. Again thanks for your time and help.
20/35 would be pretty aggressive with the 1650 KV system. I'm running 21/35 with the 1100 KV system and it feels pretty perfect.
You'll probably need to run more like 15/35 with the 1650 KV system but gearing depends on a lot of different variables including bashing style, ambient temperature, tires used, terrain etc.
Max 6 and standard motor is apparently the sweet spot. No point having an RC where you cant go past 50% throttle because it will just do a wheelie.
@Xbot4Life depends on what your goals are. The Max 6 with the stock motor is definitely a decent combination but if you're wanting to do wild stunts like triple and quadruple backflips you're going to need more power.
Where can I find pinion gear for the stock motor? I need 15t pinion gear.
GPM sells them in a kit with the spur. You should be able to either get it on eBay or maybe have to get it from AliExpress.
@@DoRC I saw a couple on eBay , but none specified if the pinion gear bore is either 5mm or 8mm.
@Harvz78 The GPM mod 1.5 12 tooth is 5 mm. Most of the rest of them are going to be 8 mm. Your other option is to get an 8 mm to 5 mm sleeve adapter. I have used them previously and they do work though they probably aren't ideal.
@@DoRC Thanks man! I didn’t think about the adapter. Appreciate you!🙏
What would the 12/35 setup be like for the stock motor?
That's just about the same as the stock gear ratio so other than being more durable and probably a little bit louder There really wouldn't be any noticeable difference. Thanks for watching and if you enjoy my videos a sub is appreciated!
Hi! Which size pinion do you recommend with this 35T gear to get the same gear ratio as the setup 18/46 with the stock X-Maxx motor and mod 1 gears?
13 or 14t would be the closest to that ratio. Thanks for watching and a sub is appreciated:)
@@DoRC Thanks, are these gears for 5mm motorshaft?
@@rcrelatedstuff6092 The ones that GPM makes have a 5 mm bore and I think there are a couple other options for them but the majority of the gears you're going to get in mod 1.5 will be 8 mm bore. You can also get an adapter sleeve to go from 8 mm to 5 mm though I don't have any experience with those myself.
I just bought GPM spur and pinion gears, will pinion gear also fit on stock motor shaft?
Yes I'm pretty sure the pinion that comes with this kit from GPM has a 5 mm shaft diameter.
Thank you for clarifying
@@andruhanovo6583 You're welcome :-) if you enjoyed the video a sub is appreciated!
What was the motor gear that you were running? In the package deal it comes with the 35T gear and a 12T or a 13T
I just got the spur gear on AliExpress. I'm running a 19 tooth 8 mm bore saga pinion. The gears that come with the kit are designed for the stock motor.
My brother runs 12/35 mod 1.5 deal, it's same as stock xmaxx gearing
Hows it holding up so far?
So far so good. I still haven't fixed the alignment problem that I have somewhere in my system so it's only wearing on one edge of the gear and still seems to be doing well. I expect it to last well long-term.
Siema nie ma chyba zębatki mod 1.5 na wałek 5mm ?
Not entirely sure what you're asking here but I'm guessing it's if there's a 5 mm mod 1.5 pinion and yes GPM makes one.
yes, it's about the mod 1.5 sprocket, 5mm gpm shafts, it has only 20t
@S4MICHURC GPM has a 12 and 13 tooth 5 mm mod 1.5 pinion available. Is that what you're asking?
and 13T and 35T in module 1.5, what gear ratio does it correspond to in module 1? now I have 23 on 46T
@@DoRC and 13T and 35T in module 1.5, what gear ratio does it correspond to in module 1? now I have 23 on 46T
I wonder if these would fit the mini maxx
They should though I've never really seen a need with the 4s Maxx.
What pinion gear are you running with this?? 👍👍👊🏻👊🏻
I think it's a 21 tooth saga pinion.
@@DoRC thanks and was that on the stock motor??
@justincase948 no. The stock motor has a 5 mm shaft and there aren't a lot of options available for that shaft size. I think GPM makes a couple but that was with the 5687 hobby wing motor with the 8 mm shaft
PLEASE HELP!!! Could you tell me whats the equivalent gearing when using the 35t spur to the stock 20/50
You can determine the ratio of your gears by dividing one number by the other so in the case of 20/50 you would end up with 0.4/1. You can then take that smaller number and multiply the larger number of the gears you're trying to figure out to figure out the other one. So in this case 35*0.4 is 14. So in this case you would want a 14 tooth pinion.
@@DoRC o wow thank you very much for that iv screen shooted this for future reference
You're welcome :-)
@@DoRC iv dropped you a sub! I too am a fan of shimming and the way you explain stuff it clear and precise
Awesome thanks so much :-)
You try harden steel
Yes I've used the harden mod 1 gears. They're okay but I wasn't terribly impressed with them.
The funny thing is that harden isn't a brand or anything it's just a misspelling of hardened.
@@DoRC slang... stock is soft steel untreated .
Sorry not up with the names just going by what it's made of.
@@coolhawk2003 actually the stock ones are hardened. They're just made from sintered steel. I have a video that explains the whole thing.
@@DoRC o really cool wasn't sure.
When you used mod 1 did you try the extra wide mod 1 or the regular mod1
I've used both. They're okay but honestly I wouldn't spend money on a replacement stock or even extra wide one when you can upgrade for not that much more money.
How many teeth does your pinion have?
I'm currently running a 21 tooth with the 1100 KV hobby wing motor and trenchers. It's a pretty decent setup for regular bashing
A link please
Hey I don't normally do links because I don't want people thinking I'm trying to profit off of affiliate links or anything like that. Also links tend to change frequently so I don't want to have outdated information. You can easily find them on eBay or just by googling though. Thanks for watching and if you enjoy the videos they sub is appreciated :-)
Will it work on stock motor set up?
Yes. You can run it with whatever motor system you want. Not sure you'll get much advantage of it with the stock motor system since the stock gears are actually pretty strong but you can't do it.
Any link
I don't do links for two reasons. The first one is that I don't want people to think that I'm profiting from these videos because I'm not and the other one is that links change constantly so if I post something up it'll end up being invalid a month later. You can Google it though and should be able to find it pretty easily!