Sweden: If the War Came Part 4/8 (US Soldier Reacts) Om Kriget Kom
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Yes the battery he visited is a museum as are a number of coastal batteries of different generations.
That battery was 7,5cm m/57 Series 1 battery. You can tell it's a series 1 because it's built in the old style with all guns connected. Because of the nuclear threat later versions where build with everything isolated sometimes on different islands. So a hit would only knock out 1 gun or one range finder even if the magazine exploded.
The 7,5cm guns where the light guns guarding the minefields so they could not be swept and keeping Harbour entrances closed.
The heavier 12cm and 15cm guns where further out and covered the 7,5cm guns. The 7,5cm guns and 12cm guns where fully automatic.
Thank you, kindly for your insight. Artillery is definitely not my expertise. Lol
As a Swede this is another level. Huge thanks to them creating this Series.
They did an amazing job with this series and “When the War Comes” as well 👍
The Coastal Artillery system consisted of hundreds of 75mm and 120mm well protected guns with several radars and laser rangers and tv-cameras each. The batteries were placed in very well protected fortresses, prepared for minimum 90 days of fully autonomous action. The fortresses were equipped with their own fresh water wells, industrial kitchens, diesel generators and so on...The batteries also had their own Bofors 40mm CIWS...
So impressive!
The older gentleman they interview about the lock at Bråviken. Was one of its last commanders a lieutenant colonel, charged with defending aginst what the swedish MI5 estimate was 2 brigades of marrines and 1 division of Air assult VDV. really nice guy when i met him at the army museum just before covid
He seems like a good man. 🙂
About the Swedish coastal defence (the fixed part), as you mentioned the gun calibre at 2.57 - there was an older part, built in the late 1800 until the WW1, developed and partly modernised at the 30's and 40's, all with guns in 57-305 mm calibre from old ships. There was also a more modern part started to built at the 50's with new guns in 75, 105 and 120 mm calibre designed specially for the coastal defence role. In some parts the new replaced the old, but in some parts they completed eachother and served alongside for a period of time. The fixed coastal artillery was completed with mobile coastal artillery, AA-units, aswell as mobile coastal defence units as the coastal jaegers (or coastal rangers as I prefer to say in english). Also the army had a lot of fixed defence points at the coastal cities, so an enemy would meet a fortified defence line on the depth. For example; in some cities you would have nests in the cellars of the houses with mg or at-gun at at least one corner of every street cross. There was many thousands of this kind of military defence objects only counted a few miles from the coast.
Today very much of those are torned down, but still pretty much left to see or even deliberately saved and shown to the public. For every tourist interested in military history visiting Sweden I would recommend to see Bodens fästning, Hemsö fästning, Siarö-fortet, Oskar-Fredriks borg, Batteri Landsort (there is both a battery from the 30's and one from the 70's at the Island Öja), Batteri Arholma, Femörefortet and Älvsborgs fästning (there is both a fortress from the 1650's and one from the early 1900).
They had guns in houses at crossroads! Very interesting! Thanks for sharing!!
Did my military duty in Sweden (Värnplikt) Jan 1990 to Nov 1990, just as the eastern block collapsed. Very interresting time.
Oh wow! That must have been a very memorable experience!
This originated in the phone books: there used to be a section called “When the War comes”, published by the Swedish Army. Now we have this. I am pro 😊
I appreciate your insight and knowledge!! 😄🤗
The coastal artillery had artillery pieces in caliber 75mm, 120mm, 155mm, + naval target robots in various sizes and range, the 75mm and 120mm guns were usually mounted on a turret that could rotate 360 degrees and which also had a supported task for land battles with fire support for own troops in the immediate area of its range.👍= 🤕.
The 120mm costal artillery turrets were also often automated and water cooled with a rate of fire of up to 20 rounds per minute iirc.
There was also older turrets with two 15.2cm guns each, and up into the 1970ies there were 21cm casemate guns at some locations.
They were created so long ago, 5-600 million years ago from magma from earths core. It has no structure, thereby being just solid and having no crack or fissures. There are lots of other places that have that kind of mountains but basically Sweden is made of it. It’s very hard to mine through it so you can imagine the effort to create those forts whom all where safe from atomic bombs. They also put cushions under the mountains to help the mountain if hit, and the entrances were vertical. So if you hit the top part entrance of the T(side) the impact went out the other side of the T while the entrance went down the stem so to speak. I went down a few during my army days, very impressive. The also had dummy guns to confuse the enemy. The best guns looked like rocks and were 12cm, 3-4 guns to a battery, range 20 miles firing 25 grenades a minute. Basically you couldn’t land if it was operational. 75-100 grenades every minute and by experience I can tell you that they hit what they aimed at, very impressive. New weapons now though makes the obsolete
I can’t imagine how difficult it would’ve been to make all those underground bunkers, shelters, factories, and bases. Expensive and very labor intensive!
There are several bunkers and costal artillery installations that are museums today!
Awesome!! 🙂
Coastal ship missiles on trucks with a range of 45 miles in the 60s and now 200 miles. Not for land targets, only ships
Zubr class - Russian hoovercraft LCAC with displacement 555 metric ton when fully loaded. Armed with two 140 mm or 120 mm rocket launchers with 22 rockets in each launcher, two AK-630 30 mm gatling guns and of course Strela manpads against aircraft. Russia still has two of these Zubr class vessels in the baltic fleet, the Yevgeniy Kocheshkov and the Mordovia. They can reach speeds of ca 100 km/h.
That is fast!!!
Thank you for this video. Sweden have had two huge spies during the cold war. The first one was Colonel Wännerström which sold out Sweden to Sovjet. The Second was Stig Berglin which worked in different roles both in the military and on SÄPO. He also had UN duties for Sweden and i think the Israelis started to suspect him, but our agencies didn't listen at first. So he could operate for a while before he was caught. His escape from prisson was like a spy movie. Our prisoners can after a while go on leave at first with guards and before they are free men they can go alone on the leave, In this cas he and his wife trick his guards and manage to get away before they understand they had escaped. They came to Moscow and lived there for many years until he became sick (i don't remember what type of illness) so they came back to Sweden where he lived until he died. Many here in Sweden wanted to see him dead and didn't like that he came back.
I think he died of Parkinson’s Disease… but yes, his story sounded like something out of a spy movie!
And thanks for watching 🙂
I really enjoy watching this serie again with you. And now we are starting to move towards the civilian defence, which so many of us actually already have been assigned to in case the worst happens.
Ahh yes! I am editing Episode 5 right now . And thanks for watching and for your support 🙂🤗
As I said, I missed Melkers series when it was aired and I really enjoy watching it with you - halfway through, gotta be at work in 9 hours...
See you, and the end of Melkers series, tomorrow 🙏
Love from Sweden 💖
You are awesome!! Thank you for watching! Make sure you get some sleep. Love from South Carolina.! ❤️
The ship i did my service on was actually a minelayer ship/Command ship. One time we mored to a hidden location and went into a huge complex inside the island. It was almost like a small subway station with many tracks filled with mines and torpedoes. We loaded about 200 mines and went out into the coastline and layed these in the water, some of these was not real, they were dummies but would look and (feel) like a real mine, we didnt even know witch was witch. These mines would be controlled by the coast defence in war and these mines could be coded to listen for specific ships and then signal the command who would activate and release them to stear for the ship.
Why would they make dummy mines?
@@JustAnotherArmyVet coz there aremarked lokations where some of these are and dummies are cheaper. Russians would have to guess the real number, i guess
@@kjelledbom1728 yeah, I was guessing they were probably cheaper. Lol
@@JustAnotherArmyVet there might just be the issue that we were suposed to lay a certain ammount of mines each generation of conscripts, so making some of the mines dummies would achieve alot of training but less costs.
@@kjelledbom1728 makes sense
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The Geneva convention would not apply to that church anyway because it's built on a military command center.
All harbors had fixed naval mines in their entrances during the cold war but those where removed.
Swedish naval bases are still protected by mines. These are not the uncontrollable WW2 horn mines you see in movies. These mines lay on the bottom connected with cables to a shore station and have magnetics and or acoustic sensors and are supported by other sensors connected to the shore station. In case of a war all that's needed is for the bunker to be manned.
The crew of the bunker can operate the mines manually or in semi or fully automatic mode. Fully automatic mode would only be used of the bunker is about to be destroyed or overrun, it will turn the mines on in uncontrolled mode so that they detonate on anything that sails over them.
When U137 grounded in 1981 it did so in the middle of two mine lines, that was probably the closest thing these fixed mines have come to being used. The Sub was grounded on top of two mines so any rescue attempts by the USSR would have ended in a big explosion without destroying the bunker.
Thanks for clarifying all of that. I do appreciate it
@@JustAnotherArmyVet www.gotlandsforsvarshistoria.se/ka3/ka3-26.htm
A link to naval mines in Gotland
Great thanks!!
@@JustAnotherArmyVet these mines were in relatively shallow waters, less than 20m depth, and each mine in the 60ies carried around 0.6-1ton of TNT equivalent explosives...
@@SonsOfLorgar 👍
re: Taking tours in old installations
Some are open to tours
Some have been filled with concrete
Some have had their entrances welded shut
Some have problems with ground water leaking in
Some have problems with asbestos
Battery OD, Femörefortet, The Lock of Bråviken, is open and there are guided tours.
I appreciate your insight! Thanks 🙂
You must go to Sverige to see these things for your own.
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There were old heavy guns at 20-30cm, but the most deadly ones were 12cm, and also smaller ones at 7,5, but the 12cm ones were top of the line. There were also SSM to hit ships
I was part of a Brigade tasked with defending the forts north of Stockholm from airborne assault that we were sure would come. At the time the weapons werent good enough to hit a target that precise due to the fort being inside the primeval rock(the hardest mountains in the world?
SSM?
Those mountains are the hardest in the world? Why are they harder??
@@JustAnotherArmyVet Somthing about the ice age , it withdrew slowly from the scandinavian peninsula , so my guess is all that pressure for much longer time made the rock we have today harder , which Im thankfull for so our tanks dont need spent uranium for their darts , tungsten goes through all things so far known to man.
As a side note , the peninsula is still gaining height to this day , they believe because of this.
@@matso3856 very interesting!!!
Oh ya, i am super excited for every new episode. I just want another video from you the moment one is posted. xD
You are so sweet. Thanks for your support and kind words! 🙂🤗
Awesome video and yes that is really interesting and Stig Bergling is famous for what he did.
Awe thank you!!! But yes, very interesting story!! If you asked an average Swede who he was, could they tell you?
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He worked most of his career as an officer with the Secret Service, but many Swedes remember him today as the man who sold military secrets to the Soviet Union in the 1970's.
In March 1979, news broke that a Swede had been arrested in Israel suspected of having sold military secrets to the Soviet Union. Months later, Stig Bergling, who was an officer with the Swedish Security Service Säpo at the time of his arrest, was convicted of aggravated espionage. And once the full story about how the former Säpo officer had sold out his country's coastal defence to the Soviets got out, it shook the general public in Sweden, says journalist and author Jan Mosander who contributed to the case against Bergling in the 1970's.
Unfortunately, you will find stories of Cold War spies from the US and other countries as well. Money will always be a motivation for some people 😕
There was two big cases of swedes spied for other countries in the 1900: Stig Wennerström at the 50's and Stig Bergling at the 70's.
I bet they would be a good subject for a movie
@@JustAnotherArmyVet 'I fiendens tjänst' ('In service of enemies') is a documentary tv-movie about Stig Bergling.
'Spion i kallt krig' ('Spy in cold war') is a three part documentary tv-serie about Stig Wennerström.
Maybe some of those is aviable on the net with english subtitles.
I’ll check it out, thank you
We used *huge* parts of our BNP to defend against russia for two weeks. No-one ever had better expectations.
BNP?
@@JustAnotherArmyVet Bruttonationalprodukten, GNP in the US
@@johankaewberg8162 thank you!
@@JustAnotherArmyVet GNP in English I guess.
@@johankaewberg8162 🙂👍
Yes, the warsaw craft had the Gus Class Hovercraft for naval infantry assaults. :--)
Oh wow!!! Awesome 🙂🙂
They also had Aist-class and Zubr-class LCAC Hovercraft(if im not misstaken?)
The two Stigs. Stig Bergling and Stig Wennerström are the most famous spies in swedish history. Wennerström was in the air force in the thirties to the early sixties when he was found out. During this time he divulged tons of information about the mountain complexes that housed air force systems and functions.
Sadly, some people always be motivated by money 😕
@@JustAnotherArmyVet Wennerström was not entirley motivated by money. One point of information leaking to the other side is a deterance. If you know what you are up against, you may shoose to reconsider. Wennerström beleved he gained frends (Vänner is the swedish word for friends) by leaking information. But in the end Wennerström ran out of "Vänner".
@@MaskinJunior thanks for your insight
Kustartilleriet! ❤️ Är en synd att vi lade ner det.
When did they retire it?
@@JustAnotherArmyVet 2 waves , first in 1994 and second in 2004. Politicans even bragg about it
There's several documentaries on stig berglin on CZcams, don't know if there's subtitles tho
Thanks 🙂
There's actually a documentary on youtube about the spy Stig bergling, called "I fiendens tjänst", would be fun to see a reaction to it although it would have to be translated due to no english subs existing for it right now.
Thanks for the info! Find it hard to find English subtitles for these good videos 😕
Bråviken is about 130 km south of Stockholm and reaches 50 km inland. 10km west of it is a large lake and between them a river. Around the river there's the town of Norrköping with a harbour including an oil harbour. Also the railroad and the main highway between Stockholm and Malmö(the most trafficked road in Sweden) pass between the lake and the bay. There's one railroad bridge and five bridges suitable for motor traffic crossing the river.
Fun fact, Stig Bergling was a prisoner at the prison in Norrköping.
Interesting!! And what is an oil harbor exactly?
Designed to accept oil tanker ships @@JustAnotherArmyVet
@@WingcommanderLuna ahh okay. That’s what I thought 👍
You got the correct answer.
One more little fact fabout Norrköping, it was burned to the ground by the Russians in 1719.@@JustAnotherArmyVet
@@stormmoster was that because of a war?
Unfortunately most of these facilities are completely abondoned and/or locked down these days and it's not possible to access them as a civilian. There is just a small handfull of museums located in old forts and bunkers. Most of these were built from the fifites to the seventies. The fact that they managed to keep these massive installations built in the middle of civilisation secret at all is crazy.
I bet it would still be interesting to see some of those museums though
I can’t imagine the logistics it went to making some of these facilities…
@@JustAnotherArmyVet SAAB even had an entire undergrund aircaft factory built under the regular factory, it was 21.000 square meters and was completed in 1945 and was used until the late 90s. The staff that worked in the above ground factory had no idea that the underground one even existed 30 meters below them.
The same prodction company that made this video series made an episode about it, search for "Saabberget" to find it. 🙂
You should check the big underground hangars that could house alot of fighter aircrafts. Sweden dug like beavers in the granite bedrock :) @@JustAnotherArmyVet
@@WingcommanderLuna 😄
Yay! :)
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Omfg, news from the 60's I'd guess except for from the Bergling story 😴
Interesting story!
Bråviken is the inlet to Norrköping and the Götacanal witch runs to the westcoast
Thank you!! I will have to find a map 👍
The inlet to Göta kanal is Slätbaken not Bråviken.
You didn't know what Sweden didn't do in the winter war? We in Finland are neighbors of Russia and have fought against them. Sweden has not gone to war.. Luikkinu ran away from his responsibility.
Yes, I do know that Sweden has not been to war in over 200 years…
Luikkini what???
@@christorn8499luikkinu karkuun
Många oldtimers där jag bor var inblandade i Petsamotrafiken ,plus att jag hann lära känna en del av dom som kom som flyktingar och blev kvar.Finland hamnade i kriget för att dom blev anfallna av Ryssarna,jag tror det inte säga så mycket om det var rätt eller fel besluten som togs då.Det som stör mig är att nu händer samma sak igen fast det börjar i Ukraina och alla länder vill hjälpa men ingen vill förlora nåt eller riskera egna liv.Ryssarna måste stoppas men frågan är törs någon dra in sina länder i krig eller...Om Ukraina faller ,sen land efter land 🤷♂️ww2 blev så förödande för att ingen ville "eskalera" och stoppa hitler i tid.Rysska ledarna ser sig redan i krig med väst och har ställt om sin industri till att fokusera på kriget,lär till och med skolbarn att hantera vapen och hjärntvättar dom till små fanatiska putinjugends.Sveriges industrier är inte styrda uppifrån och kan inte ställas om för krigsmaterial sen svenskar under 50år blir kränkta om nån försöker tvinga dom in i civilförsvaret eller det lilla av militären som finns kvar...."ingen ska tala om för mig hur jag ska leva" attityd undrar hur Ukrainarna funkar när dom ser Ryssarna förstöra by efter by,våldta deras kvinnor ta deras barn till Ryssland och döda massa civila.Häromdagen såg jag en journalist fråga personer på gatan vad dom skulle göra om Sverige hamnar i krig alla svarade att dom skulle dra härifrån så fort det går...dom är så jäkla bortskämda och vana att alltid ha det bra inte en verkade vara villiga riskera livet för att försvara vårat land och det gör mig orolig och arg.Jag är glad att jag hann göra värnplikten innan det lades ner och jag dör hellre med vapen i hand än att nån jävel får skada någon ur min familj eller vänner...
Soviet/Russia have Zubr-class LCAC, Soviet designation Project 1232.2, (NATO reporting name "Pomornik") is a class of Soviet-designed air-cushioned landing craft (LCAC) they are still in use by Russian Navy en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zubr-class_LCAC
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