Sweden: If the War Came Part 5/8 (US Soldier Reacts) Om Kriget Kom
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- American Soldier reaction to If the War Came (Om Kriget Kom), Episode 5 Döden i skogen (“Death in the Forest") from Försvarsmakten.
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I do find it very interesting that any message about giving up or surrendering, even from our own government was to be seen as fake.
It's not an option. Even if we are invaded and the government is forced to notify us as such, surrender is not an option. The most difficult thing is not to invade a country, the most difficult thing is to maintain power over a people who do not want to be held.
That message is still valid see page 12 in "Om krisen eller kriget kommer"
I can see what you are saying 👍
This is why making the actual decision to actually mobilize was a last resort - once that cat was out of the bag, it would be extremely difficult putting it back in. Nobody would listen if they came around and said "never mind, false alarm" :)
@@vicolin6126 there would be no putting the cat back in the bag. Lol
I remember being a young man in the 80:s and after my service as a recon soldier in the north of Sweden we got a paper from the def.forces with a code - two letters and two colours f.e .Tango Foxtrot ( the swedish ones) and two squares with f.e.blue and red. Showing this paper with our ID;s would grant us faster train ,bus or airplane tickets and from there we had a adress and a village in northen Sweden were we were supposed to meet within 24 hours. I believe that we were retired as recon soldiers at the age of 36 and placed in other places and functions in the army or police.
oh wow. Thank you so much for sharing your story. I had no idea
About the comment on Sweden having been a militarized country. It is quite true. I grew up in a town with a population of ~100 000 (Linköping). In that town there were three different regiments who produced infantry, artillery and logistics units. Every day you would see fighter jets in the sky. Me and all my friends went through military training after high school (this was 1985 - 86) and no one thought much about it, our fathers and grandfathers had done the same. It is indeed interesting when you look back at it. I never used to think ”militarized country”, I knew of nothing else. But it was, for sure.
Thank you for taking your time to provide your insight. I do appreciate hearing your story. 👍
Yes, I grew up in this era and took part in it. We (in Sweden) are like so many countries waking up to realize what russia is after the post cold war nap. I hope this way of thinking that is shown in this video are not too foreign to younger generations. Better be prepared than sorry, even if it comes at a cost.
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Well said
I belive Finland that is closest to Sovjet/Russian border has always been prepared and never lowered their guard like Sweden did during the late 1990.
Yeah, and I think Sweden dismantled a lot of those stockpiles they had…
@@JustAnotherArmyVet Yes Sweden sold / ro the Baltic countries) or scrapped most of the stockpiles.
That’s too bad
The entire western world put down its guard except for Finland after the 1990s.
@@TheApilas We donate equipment to the Baltic states, but most of the equipment in our mobilization stores was burned up because the private market didn't want so much high-quality tools, machines, etc. would be sold on the second-hand market because then they wouldn't be allowed to sell their new everyday junk in the same amount, so burning most of it was a political decision at the highest level.
I was a professional army officer back in the 1980-90's and I am now active in the Swedish Civilförsvaret (the civilian defense organization). The total defense organization back in the cold war era was extremely well developed and organized. The mobilization that would take place in the event of a war were expected to have been done in a time of between 12-72 hours. Very fast for a conscript defense organization, most people was aware of this, but what most people didn't know was how deep that transition to society version 2 was, going back to a peace organization /society again would take several years!
I just finished bulk filming the last three episodes. The amount of planning and logistics that Sweden did was insane. Sweden was so well prepared. It seems like they thought of every contingency.
@@JustAnotherArmyVet Yes, we did have a plan a-ö😂. You can imagine the feeling of dispare when the political and some of the military leadership just dumped it all, such a waste! That was the main reason why I quit as an officer in the beginning of the 90's. Having a job training young conscripts, sometimes against their own will, requires that you really believe in what you are doing. That faith were going to die with all the shut down of regiments and units.
@@bengtmowitz5012 I understand the feeling 😄
@@bengtmowitz5012 Eh, waste and waste. A lot of it was really old and not usable anymore. The cost of maintaining it didn't outweigh the benefit of keeping it around. I mean, I heard of a mobilization storage from the early 50s that they discovered (yes, discovered, it had been mostly forgotten about) that had 1,5 million bee waxed canvas horse troughs in a climate controlled warehouse. We had long since the founding of that storage been mechanized and had no need for any horse troughs whatsoever.
Now, the ÖB of the time and his staff realized that it wasn't tenable to keep such a massive pile of old equipment anymore and gave a suggestion to the politicians: "cut all this stuff, and then once it is cut, replace it with new stuff!"
The politicians heard "cut this stuff" and said "say no more!" and the rest is history.
@@emil87th The key point here is that politicians heard "cut it all, but not replacing it with new stuff". And with Swedish correctness everything went down the drain. Some of it was donated to the Baltics. Some of the donations to the Baltics is now surfacing in Ukraine, like Pvpj 1110, Kpist m/45, AG42b and other!
Welcome to NATO, Swedish Warriors.
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Tell that to Orban.
@@stormmoster both the Turds and the Hungarians are Putin's beaches and traitors of NATO
@@stormmoster look at the similarities between jair bolsonaro vs orban viktorcould could be brothers . As the saying goes Birds of a feather stick together in Swedish lika barn leka bäst .
Im old enough to remeber what they is talking about!
Its even a bit nostalgik.. but its good that they make us remember.. how we thought at that time!
In anyway, the best thing is that Warsaw pakt is disolved.. there is then less probability that we gonna be ocupated!
But there is new treaths, and that is that we all is more dependent on each other in Europe.. no country is self reliant anymore!
Relying on allies and friends is a must in today’s world!
It's a shame that we dismantled the contingency stocks we had during the Cold War. We had a large warehouse that I cycled past on my way to the beach in the summers as a child. Dad had pointed it out to me and told me what it was, but still I didn't see it 9 out of 10 times I rode by even though I always looked for it. It was surprisingly hidden even though it was so close to the road.
In the middle of the village, an old barn building remained, next to the school's soccer field. We always kicked the ball against the barn wall. To our great great surprise when the Cold War ended we witnessed tank after tank after tank rolling out of that barn. Talk about hide in plain sight, when we who lived in the small village had no idea what was stored right in the center.
I wonder why most of these things were dismantled…
Those things are expensive to maintain soo when the Soviet Union collapsed and Russia seemed to be on it's way to become a democracy, they were deemed too be unnecessary. I bought dozen towels and some bed sheets when what was in storages was sold out. The towels were of very good quality, I still use them.@@JustAnotherArmyVet
@@JustAnotherArmyVet A naive belief that the Russian bear had become kind and that no more wars threatened us. Anyone who said otherwise has been mocked. Plus it cost money to keep these warehouses and bunkers so we wanted to spend the money on other things. After all, the whole world has switched to just-in-time thinking. Stupid and naive. We already saw that during the healthcare material shortage at the beginning of covid, when Finland was not affected due to its stocks.
@@olsa76 has Sweden began restocking?
@@JustAnotherArmyVetI don't think so. They have talked and made investigations about how it could be done for about 10 years, without anything happening. Things have been proposed such as the state forcing grocery stores to keep a certain amount of stock, for example, something that the private retail companies naturally have no interest in. After Ukraine was invaded, there is more talk about the problem, but I have not yet heard that any decision has been made.
I think one of the most interesting things is all the planning behind the total defence system. Someone has been thinking about how many glows are needed, what type of material and how are they going to be distributed to the place where they are needed. Same with all other things from fuel, sugar, ammunition, water, bandages, cars, trucks and everything. And depending on what type of scenario the planning was slightly different. And all the people that had a small role in making the system work. From people in the military and hospitals to people working at food factories or at the daycare taking care of the children while their parents doing their part.
So so much planning behind all this.
The amount of planning and logistics that went into this total defense was insane. Sweden has some very smart, practical leaders, and planners…
As to not having a choise of placement it is somewhat true. Most got a limited number of choises depending on your test results. They also tried to take your wished into account. So for example if you already knew how to drive and liked it. It was more likely for you to become a driver. But of course some got forced into a position they didn't want. Myself I scored low on the phyical but higher on the cognative tests. So I got three choises, 15 month at army HQ down in Stockholm, 15 months at a signals regiment or 12 months as a signals-platoon leader at a artillery regiment in the town i'm from. I chose the latter. Mostly because I got to stay close to home.
Thank you for clarifying! I’m
glad that you got to stay close to home. That must have been nice
You could choose where you wanted to do military service such as the Air force,the Navy,the Army then you were tested to see what you were suitable for! I myself became a firefighter in the air force 1989/90
Did you enjoy being an Air Force firefighter?
@@JustAnotherArmyVet Legally you can opt out from doing armed service, if you for political or religious reasons refuse to do armed service (service that include handeing a gun) you were most likely placed with the civil defense, getting training for restoring the power grid or other essential services. But at the enlisting office you are interviewed for what is your interests because the total defense forces dont want unmotivated people forced to do things they dont like, so they try to match you with a service you like, or at least dont hate.
@@MaskinJunior that makes sense. I guess, a “conscientious objector” would fall into that category.
@@MaskinJunior for Singapore, their national services is either the military, or it can be civil service, such as firefighter and policeman
@@JustAnotherArmyVet In my basic traing squad (before I was transfered out from teh combat medic group) we had a guy who was placed as a medic by mistake as he had requested a non combat role. He was not very happy the day they tried to issue him his AK5. Some times I miss my unit 265505. But that gun is probably scrapped by now since it has been 20 years sinc my service.
After evaluation, you were offered a few alternatives to choose between for your service.
That’s good 🙂👍
I was shoosen to become a combat medic, but I was transfered to company staff (logistics company) due to lack of resourses. The training officer went on parental leave. So I was preparing the logistical planning for supplying a signal company with food and fuel. (Signal companies dont use much ammuniotion so that was basically a 0 requirement each day) I was also tasked with keeping track of where all units in the company were deployed since a signal company is spread out over more or less 1/4 of the conutry due to what a signal company does.
How long is parental leave in the Swedish military?
@@JustAnotherArmyVet Im not a parent so I am not entierly sure, btut I think it maxes out at 13 months, but I think bouth parents has to take at least 90 days each of it or those 90 days are lost. It is the same for any profession.
Paid leave?
@@JustAnotherArmyVet Paied leave 80%, I think the 13 months is among bouth parents, and each parent must take at least 90 days of it or loose it.
@@MaskinJunior oh wow! US Federal jobs and military get 90 days paid leave. Other than that though, it’s up to the employer or company so say whether or not you get any paid maternity (or paternity) leave. Some people don’t any 😕. And some companies give more than 90 days paid leave. It just depends on the company.
The way a placement was chosen for you was often based on your civilian occupation and/or education. A cook in civilian life would most likely be a field cook in the military. A car mechanic would likely be a mechanic on trucks and cars or be trained on servicing tanks or even aircraft.
Also today your placement is ultimately chosen for you, however you will likely be presented with more than one job and than you can tell them which one you'd like the most but of course often you won't get your first pick. I wanted to be a military policeman but was reassigned 5 weeks before reporting in. I became a IFV driver. I had just gotten my civilian driving license and had no experience what so ever in veichle service. I was really out of my element but one learns. In hindsight it was incredibly good for me and I graduated with very good marks. If you're assigned to something that's not your first pick, go in with a positive attitude because you will undoubtedly learn something you probably wouldn't have otherwise, then do everything in your power to become as good at it as you can
Thanks for taking the time to provide your insight. If you want to go in as a career soldier, would you be able to switch your job eventually?
@JustAnotherArmyVet yes you are and many do, althogh most people's first employment is in a position similar to what they did as a conscript. However, for people that goes on to officer or specialist officer (similar to a senior NCO) it can vary wildly
Ah okay, thanks!
An important thing to keep in mind in the event of war is that the enemy will probably knock out radio transmissions and then it is good if you check which radio frequency you have set on your radio so that it is not fake radio transmissions. Learn your local radio frequency and check that it is correct.
That is actually a really good point. And you can imagine there would be no phone service or Internet either. I’m sure they’re fine ways to knock everything out.
Yes the enemy is good at radio and tele warfare. Many people here in the Swedish countryside work to have redundancy also regarding communication, it is an important part of civil preparedness and hopefully it makes it easier for our military as well. Thanks once again for all the nice videos you publish 👍
@@Korpen_1979 you are welcome! And thanks for your support 🙂
The cold war never ended, it just entered another phase in the 1990s and onwards, humanity must learn to live in peace someday, maybe?, but the day is not here yet.
I don’t see that day. Coming anytime soon, unfortunately…
Hello again
"Death in the forests"... wooooooow, dark title - considering the forests was my assigned (?) place in the 80s, if we mobilized (? like, if the order comes "War")... And "my" forest was the one just north of Karlskrona - looking forward to this and the remaining episodes, thanx for sharing 🙏
Love from Sweden 💖
Love from South Carolina! Thanks for returning and watching 🙂🙂 ❤️🙏
Every, I truly mean EVERY swede at that time (55-90) had either participated or in some way come in contact with the drills... Today people play what we call "Lajv (live)" in the cities and countryside where they play a scenario in character from... like Tolkien or WoW... Cudos to them, I don't mind, but...
EVERY swede at that time played a role as victim, casualties, medics, soldiers, enemies and so on, at some point... We had MASSIVE "Lajvs", and local ones (like my hometown Tingsryd) where the scenario of Warsaw pact attack... I remember that I as an 8-year old kid was commendered (?) to lay for a few hours with my class-mate under a hedge drenched in fake-blood, moaning and screaming for... I don't know, a couple of hours? waiting for the ones who acted medics came...
Exciting and we didnt have to go to school, but...Imaging that taking place today!!! Different time/era, the Army had a War Game and needed an attacked school - of course 50 kids were assigned...
Sorry for rambling (?) but seeing this series with you affects me, brings me back...
Love from Sweden 💖
Oh wow! You remember doing that when you were 8?? That must be a a very impactful memory. Thanks for sharing 🤗❤️
@@JustAnotherArmyVet sad, but true, story: I meet my old classmates every year, and Anna still today 50 years later has nightmares from being assigned dead, placed in a bodybag and loaded on a truck... As I said: Different time, unthinkable today...
By the way, since watching this together: Im Kalle, Hi South Carolina 🙏
Love from Sweden 💖
@@karl-unoisaksson4000 they put the kid actors in body bags?? I think that went all too far.. That would have been unthinkable today.. I saw your friend still has nightmares, ❤️🇸🇪🇺🇸🙏
@@JustAnotherArmyVet jupp, sadly, we all participated and it should mimic the real shit! Of course Anna was let out of the bag the second she was loaded on the truck - but to make it realistic they (I don't know the word - the civilians whom would be called to war as medics) had to go all in...
But I tell you, eventhough we (alone) wouldnt have stood a chance in the long run if the Soviet came - we surely would had hurt them as hell as Neutrals, and left a faaar better ground for Nato to win a conventional war...
We were all prepared...
Love from Sweden 💖
@@karl-unoisaksson4000 I certainly hoped that United States would’ve stepped in and helped Sweden if the Soviet Union had attacked
You were given options of what to do and where to go, not many, but a few. 800.000 were to be mobilized out of a population of 8 million. And that is men, women, children and old people
Thanks for your insight!
Thank you for sharing and the pamphlet if war and crisis come they working on a revised and it will be some add to the new pamphlet and it will be out if i remember it correct in October this year.
Thanks for watching!! Well that’s good that they’re working on a new one 🙂
@@JustAnotherArmyVet Yes and i didn´t even know that they working on a revised edition. I heard that when i was on a class last week and that class were more like of a repetition for me . But i got that info about this new pamphlet.
@@ShadowScoutSwede what class?
@@JustAnotherArmyVet Munipicality knowledge for our VRG group
@@ShadowScoutSwede VRG?
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