It's Over For Cheaters

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  • čas přidán 1. 04. 2023
  • It's jover for cheatcells
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  • @KingOfKarma
    @KingOfKarma Před rokem +5414

    I once cheated in a game of tag, I hope those consequences don't come back to haunt me

    • @skeletonman95
      @skeletonman95 Před rokem +63

      Congrats your first

    • @afkolayr4789
      @afkolayr4789 Před rokem +194

      @@skeletonman95 im going to tell my teacher about this

    • @IAM.THEMUSIC
      @IAM.THEMUSIC Před rokem +114

      20 years in prison

    • @i_282
      @i_282 Před rokem

      The FBI is on their way

    • @kiamehrgh3081
      @kiamehrgh3081 Před rokem +8

      I need the full story with details tell me now

  • @uruburus5203
    @uruburus5203 Před rokem +703

    Imagine the software releases and suddenly the Skill ceiling in evry game drops by half

    • @DrunkedOwly
      @DrunkedOwly Před rokem +13

      Lmao

    • @Bruh-os6yp
      @Bruh-os6yp Před rokem

      God I hope fucking exposing the whole community

    • @jimmy5516
      @jimmy5516 Před rokem +66

      wouldnt surprise me. I remember csgo back in the older days was a lot easier than it is now. Gold Nova players now play like global elites in 2016-2017 and i doubt its because the skillceiling has raised drastically like that.

    • @Franc1sc0
      @Franc1sc0 Před rokem +43

      @@jimmy5516 average malding gold nova mentality

    • @TheAnimefool
      @TheAnimefool Před rokem +11

      @@jimmy5516 no way that’s true csgo ranks now aren’t worth shit back in the day global meant something

  • @zero-ej6rt
    @zero-ej6rt Před rokem +316

    Opera GX ending pyro's entire career with a ONE screenshot without saying a word has got to be my favorite moment of all time

  • @bread5240
    @bread5240 Před rokem +3524

    It's actually legendary that Opera GX knows about "the incident"

  • @OfficiallySnek
    @OfficiallySnek Před rokem +1339

    So I'll get banned in the future if I use a LEGO auto clicker on cookie clicker?
    We truly live in a society

    • @Emerald-dlaremE
      @Emerald-dlaremE Před rokem +175

      Currently building the Lego City Prison for you 😡

    • @atwistedb
      @atwistedb Před rokem +83

      @@Emerald-dlaremE I’ll just eat my way out

    • @icespeaker81
      @icespeaker81 Před rokem +15

      Good. Skill issue

    • @Tomatosaladz
      @Tomatosaladz Před rokem +13

      ​@@atwistedb wait

    • @editdotexe
      @editdotexe Před rokem +26

      @@Emerald-dlaremE "SOMEONE HAS CHEATED IN LEGO CITY!"

  • @nutstobuttsgaming
    @nutstobuttsgaming Před rokem +602

    Team Fortress 2 players are about to have the biggest conga party.

    • @seba.4926
      @seba.4926 Před rokem +28

      except their game will be more dead than anthem because 95% of the playerbase just got wiped

    • @cletusmandeletusman2328
      @cletusmandeletusman2328 Před rokem +120

      @@seba.4926 those who remain will still throw the biggest conga party though.

    • @PumpyGT
      @PumpyGT Před rokem +13

      ​@@seba.4926 False

    • @zr_dri
      @zr_dri Před rokem +3

      Imagine if pyro gets banned 💀💀

    • @Bolt451
      @Bolt451 Před rokem +8

      ​@@seba.4926what are U taking about

  • @snorf525
    @snorf525 Před rokem +288

    that whole "tracking individual people's play style" is fucking dystopian, especially if you apply it to things outside of vidya games

    • @nicktyrin4401
      @nicktyrin4401 Před rokem

      Surprise, it already happens
      By ad companies
      Totalitarian states also keep databases of faces and walking patterns

    • @redfan5193
      @redfan5193 Před rokem +8

      it is already applied tho

    • @Randomlad56
      @Randomlad56 Před rokem +2

      @@redfan5193 just as many cases

    • @AidanMclaren
      @AidanMclaren Před rokem +1

      I've been suspecting for a while why Valve released those bots on their servers. I always wondered why, and here's the answer.

    • @almicc
      @almicc Před rokem +1

      fortunately for this, you have to consent to it to be tracked. don't want to get tracked, don't play the game. companies will be forced to get really transparent if enough people boycott it.

  • @_P2M_
    @_P2M_ Před rokem +245

    I think a good thing to do to prevent cheaters from trying to one-up the anti-cheat is to never explicitly let them know that they got caught.
    Do not ban them, do not kick them, do not warn them. Just silently move them to servers filled with more of their kind.
    I think Valve did this with Trust Factor in CS:GO, but IDK how effective it was. But it's a good starting point, I think.

    • @buddy3852
      @buddy3852 Před rokem +49

      It's very effective.
      If they banned for all things they detected, 90% of cheats would be banned.
      However, this is mainly because most cheat 'developers' don't know what they're doing, or don't change anything because they're technically not getting banned.

    • @soapghostroach
      @soapghostroach Před rokem +8

      It's very effective for people with high trust factor. For that every new account gets sent into the cheater gulag by default though. A new account will probably have at least half the players as cheaters in all their matches...

    • @i.e.benediktazurnieden6475
      @i.e.benediktazurnieden6475 Před rokem +8

      @@buddy3852 Trust factor is not that effective at all, I normally play with these guys that have about 4 accounts with high trust factor and legit cheat and do the occasional HVH once in a while and they're still high trust, and well your statement of "90% of cheats would be banned" that is false, cheats like gamesense, neverlose, onetap, primordial and a bunch more will still be up and running even if they took cheating more seriously, and the devs 100% know what they're doing.

    • @nuffsaid7759
      @nuffsaid7759 Před rokem +1

      don't know about other games but VAC doesn't work, sure you get less cheaters but you get the not once in a while but once in every 3 4 games, deathmatch servers are infested with bots that train their cheats with some Chinese account names

    • @nuffsaid7759
      @nuffsaid7759 Před rokem +2

      Plus if you're a good player even without cheating people will report you and lower your trust factor plus it became so hard to tell if someone is cheating in csgo nowadays and most will assume you're a cheater instead of a good player.

  • @Sgt_Sot
    @Sgt_Sot Před rokem +790

    Thank you Pyro for uploading another vod, truly high octane content

    • @al-kazaz9032
      @al-kazaz9032 Před rokem +12

      This is the live channel what do you expect besides clips from his stream

    • @dudemp4
      @dudemp4 Před rokem +2

      ​@@al-kazaz9032 live channel but most of it Is commentary

    • @HowToKillAliens
      @HowToKillAliens Před rokem

      kek

    • @kirbypro16
      @kirbypro16 Před rokem

      You're welcome

    • @ZachX888
      @ZachX888 Před rokem

      Yeah I watched a critikal video earlier that was more exciting than this, but Pyro made some EXCELLENT points about AI and it's potential for harm.
      Great points from him as usual.

  • @YOUR_NARRATOR975
    @YOUR_NARRATOR975 Před rokem +2194

    How could you cheat pyro.
    You've let us all down

    • @BGI_guy
      @BGI_guy Před rokem +126

      Pyrocynical vs. PMC Wagner Group

    • @sweetballs4742
      @sweetballs4742 Před rokem +55

      Pyrocynical vs Russian Ground Force

    • @dramir5953
      @dramir5953 Před rokem +23

      Based GigaChad Putin

    • @tachonka4428
      @tachonka4428 Před rokem

      ​@@dramir5953 ah i see, youre a fellow putin's digital footprint licker

    • @teqhchaser
      @teqhchaser Před rokem +22

      npc comment

  • @BashfulRat
    @BashfulRat Před rokem +20

    One time I called this cheater out on being fatherless and we had a talk about his abusive mother pretty rough stuff and he left me alone after that, cheaters need serious mental help for real

  • @guythat779
    @guythat779 Před rokem +494

    I really can't stress enough how much we don't need and should fear universal digital signatures

    • @tophatguru
      @tophatguru Před rokem +91

      Factual statement, I always worry how far back anyones past info could be tracked

    • @jeffboy4231
      @jeffboy4231 Před rokem +13

      oh nooooo they will know how i like to press me w button!

    • @TheLarryDungeon
      @TheLarryDungeon Před rokem +155

      @@jeffboy4231 Mate, your digital footprint and signature could trace back to your name, age, life, everything, it IS something to worry for

    • @sludgechan
      @sludgechan Před rokem +18

      @@tophatguru You mean like tweets from 6 years ago which contain racial slurs?

    • @StiiiiiicccckkkkyyyyFiingaaass
      @StiiiiiicccckkkkyyyyFiingaaass Před rokem +25

      ​@@sludgechan and if they are? What are we supposed to do about it?

  • @OfficiallySnek
    @OfficiallySnek Před rokem +522

    1 in 3? It can't be that high

    • @sorappoli5137
      @sorappoli5137 Před rokem +49

      If we're talking Tarkov, maybe.

    • @chickenjimmy6552
      @chickenjimmy6552 Před rokem +220

      @@sorappoli5137 In tarkov, 1 in 3 players dont use cheats

    • @alexandergoldthorpe4585
      @alexandergoldthorpe4585 Před rokem +8

      Nahhhh he says it's 1 in 3 that are PROBABLY cheating, so only some of that third are actually cheating

    • @notrod5341
      @notrod5341 Před rokem +71

      ​@Anatol You can see later on smurfing is counted as cheating so I wouldn't be suprised if other non-hacking cheats are counted, like boosting or something

    • @nade7242
      @nade7242 Před rokem

      it can be anything from 33% to 5% just depends on the game

  • @Dinostudios1
    @Dinostudios1 Před rokem +230

    Thank you Pyro for again showing me which video I should watch on my own

  • @acesuperwolf3277
    @acesuperwolf3277 Před rokem +232

    I once cheated in a game of chess by putting a mirror behind them so I could see what they were going to play next, I hope I don't get karma from it 😰

    • @MrcreeperDXD777
      @MrcreeperDXD777 Před rokem

      Death penalty

    • @ktleen
      @ktleen Před rokem +9

      How can a mirror help you at a chess game i dont understand

    • @Kurossou
      @Kurossou Před rokem +31

      @@ktleen you can just stack on diff dimensions and predict future moves

    • @ktleen
      @ktleen Před rokem +5

      @@Kurossou that makes so much sense, thanks bruh

    • @MissIt2
      @MissIt2 Před rokem

      @@ktleen you can put the mirrir into their eyes and they will die and you will be arrested dont do it

  • @zembers
    @zembers Před rokem +14

    I was hooked until the "bio-profile". Thats just advanced data collection with extra steps

  • @facelessperson
    @facelessperson Před rokem +354

    How will pyro win at tf2 now?

    • @sweetballs4742
      @sweetballs4742 Před rokem +42

      With fem pyro mod

    • @zagreus1855
      @zagreus1855 Před rokem +6

      ​@@sweetballs4742 That didn't happen. It's simply a Mandela effect.

    • @damsen978
      @damsen978 Před rokem +9

      @@zagreus1855 Oh you mean the time when Pyrocynical started streaming on a website called "Twitch" and proceeded open the video game called "Team Fortress 2", showing us the loadouts from each of the video game's nine classes, and in the most unexpected (yet expected) turn of events, he opened the Pyro loadout, showing us what was supposed to be the Pyro class, with inflated legs and posterior, projecting us in the whole glory of what Pyrocynical truly likes? Some people may hate him for it, but his honesty and openness is something we should all value from such an individual as him.
      Respect Pyrocynical, the lover of inflated ass on inhuman characters.

    • @Kazuhira2249
      @Kazuhira2249 Před rokem +3

      he wont

    • @MrcreeperDXD777
      @MrcreeperDXD777 Před rokem

      ​@@sweetballs4742 all in le head

  • @joecrusher8502
    @joecrusher8502 Před rokem +42

    Surprised Pyro didn’t title this ‘Huge Cheater Drama’

  • @ColToons
    @ColToons Před rokem +79

    This is really good for current cheaters and detection, but I feel like bans would need to be timed. Because 15 year old Timmy can hack now and the AI could keep detecting him for who knows how long.

    • @ZeKuso
      @ZeKuso Před rokem +23

      Well, 35 year old Timmy should be mad at 15 year old Timmy for his lack of good choice making.

    • @alejandropetit6573
      @alejandropetit6573 Před rokem +10

      ​@@ZeKuso The problem is that while 15 year old timmy is an absolute prick, 35 year old timmy might have regretted 15 year old timmy's past behaviour and never cheated since

    • @nobleradical2158
      @nobleradical2158 Před rokem +4

      @@alejandropetit6573 A non-cheating Timmy will have a different biometric profile than cheating Timmy.

    • @almicc
      @almicc Před rokem +2

      let timmy become a productive member of society and disallow him from ever playing another FPS game in his life

  • @ManikFerret
    @ManikFerret Před rokem +33

    Me when I get banned because I used cheat engine in single player games 10 years ago:

  • @merrilly-
    @merrilly- Před rokem +144

    imagine being the

    • @Reth_Hard
      @Reth_Hard Před rokem +40

      They say it detects 99% of cheaters but they never said how much false positive it really gets exactly.
      It's probably a lot more than 1%, especially when they say that 33% of people are cheating it's probably because their system is banning way too much honest players. Maybe in the future AI could be used for that but we are not there yet, the current AI system are impressive but they constantly making errors.

    • @8stormy5
      @8stormy5 Před rokem +12

      detecting 99% of all cheaters =\= assigning 1% of all bans to innocent players

    • @catinbeanie
      @catinbeanie Před rokem

      Considering the amount of fuck ups the AI algorithms on CZcams for instance screw up, i worry these systems will have another 'Demonetization on day one' moment and go haywire banning people that were innocent.

    • @tomatofrog5108
      @tomatofrog5108 Před rokem

      If so I think a way to fix that is to not make it a Perma ban but a 1 or 2 day ban so it in the 1 percent it does ban you it would be less likely to happen again if the ai just made a mistake and if it's cheaters after the 1 day ban they will very likely be banned again since there's the 99% chance

    • @ixza4616
      @ixza4616 Před rokem +13

      @@8stormy5 best way to ban 100% of cheaters is to ban 100% of players

  • @H45556
    @H45556 Před rokem +12

    Can’t wait to click around on a website I’ve never been to before and having it instantly recognize and know everything about me because the way I moved my mouse is unique, actually terrifying this tech means no more web privacy whatsoever

    • @ToonSheik
      @ToonSheik Před rokem

      Google's invisible reCaptcha has been doing it since 2017.

    • @lydellackerman800
      @lydellackerman800 Před rokem +2

      They track your Keystrokes, (they know how you type, speed ect), what you shop for, your interests, your address, what computer you are using, your screen size. and probably more

  • @llammb
    @llammb Před rokem +19

    This also stops the possibility of people being “reformed”, you can cheat once and then never again but in this case you cheat once then never play again

    • @herdoman5169
      @herdoman5169 Před rokem +1

      Good. Theres no valid reason to cheat a normal person wouldnt cheat

    • @aperturearmyapar810
      @aperturearmyapar810 Před rokem +7

      I agree, people aren't just a black and white template

  • @dheerajs.a3227
    @dheerajs.a3227 Před rokem +33

    References in this video
    0:05 - Counter-Strike: Global Offensive
    0:40 - Tiktok
    0:52 - Basically Homeless & Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Siege
    1:07 - Escape from Tarkov & Counter-Strike: Global Offensive
    1:34 - Penguinz0 & Dr. Disrespect
    1:48 - Pewdiepie
    2:02 - Escape from Tarkov & Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Siege
    5:09 - Valorant anti-cheat & Valve anti-cheat
    5:39 - Call of Duty & Apex Legends & Counter-Strike: Global Offensive
    5:55 - Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Siege & Zim & Ubisoft
    7:19 - LeafyisHere & Penguinz0 & HasanAbi
    7:40 - Fortnite
    7:46 - Counter-Strike: Global Offensive
    7:58 - HasanAbi & QE Cinderella
    8:12 - Bernie Sanders
    9:06 - Overwatch & Counter-Strike: Global Offensive
    10:21 - Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Siege & Counter-Strike: Global Offensive
    11:10 - Overwatch
    11:41 - Elon Musk & Twitter
    12:30 - Logan Paul & KSI
    12:49 - g0at & Escape from Tarkov
    16:07 - Counter-Strike: Global Offensive
    16:43 - Bethesda
    17:12 - Warcraft & Starcraft & Activision
    17:28 - Half-Life 2
    19:34 - Counter-Strike: Global Offensive & Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Siege
    21:53 - Captain America: Civil War
    22:53 - Call of Duty: Warzone
    23:52 - PUBG & Counter-Strike: Global Offensive
    24:47 - Tencent & Blizzard
    24:57 - Overwatch 2 & Discord
    25:11 - Bill Gates & Valorant
    25:49 - Discord
    25:57 - Rocket League
    26:43 - Dr. Disrespect
    27:20 - Apple
    28:49 - Team Fortress 2 & Penguinz0

    • @theflano23
      @theflano23 Před rokem

      No Breaking Bad references, this is a sad day

  • @lawrencelopez9839
    @lawrencelopez9839 Před rokem +92

    I can imagine this type of AI being used in law enforcement and such... it sounds like it's designed to learn to discriminate with 400 iq

  • @trial_with_an_error9687
    @trial_with_an_error9687 Před rokem +9

    Bro got ratio'd by his own picture. Outlandish

  • @jroc00725
    @jroc00725 Před rokem +46

    I can’t stand cheaters but this sounds unreal and if it does come to fruition it’s scary.

  • @zenkoz3158
    @zenkoz3158 Před rokem +12

    Since I work in a factory, and I don't have my headphones I had to use captions and CZcams said "cheetahs" for just about every time you said "cheaters". Congratulations, you're officially certified Bri'ish👍

    • @Ronald98
      @Ronald98 Před rokem +2

      What do you produce in that factory if i may ask?

    • @zenkoz3158
      @zenkoz3158 Před rokem +1

      @@Ronald98 fiberglass insulation, I'm part of a four man crew that runs the part of the plant that makes, bags, stacks, and wraps bags of blow-in material. It's a German company but Im at the Lanett, Alabama location.

    • @Ronald98
      @Ronald98 Před rokem +2

      @@zenkoz3158 Nice, thanks for sharing 👍

    • @zenkoz3158
      @zenkoz3158 Před rokem +1

      @@Ronald98 absolutely, what was your interest in asking if you don't mind?

    • @Ronald98
      @Ronald98 Před rokem +3

      @@zenkoz3158 I heard "factory" and imagined a massive automobile factory or even a military one... just pure fascination! also i have never actually seen any kind of factory in my life.
      the largest thing i saw were some small workshops.

  • @Hyperdozy
    @Hyperdozy Před rokem +19

    This is so sad, get better soon Pyro 🙏

  • @ZTenski
    @ZTenski Před rokem +63

    Yeah this sounds nice, but it won't work "forever". It's like radar detectors and radar detector detectors, the cheat makers will find ways to lessen the detection chance and add jitter to mitigate profiling by AIs. It will be a constant and ongoing battle, just like it allways has been.

    • @jeffboy4231
      @jeffboy4231 Před rokem +5

      those jitters will make the AI just more suspicous probably

    • @AltraHapi
      @AltraHapi Před rokem +1

      ​@DoSkkLOL I could see other research spilling into cheaters hands because I HIGHLY DOUBT that the cheat devs made the AI cheats completely by themselves

    • @PumpyGT
      @PumpyGT Před rokem +1

      War

    • @ZTenski
      @ZTenski Před rokem

      @Duke of Spook hackers absolutely will spend their valuable time on this, even professional programmers with a decent living wage. Why? Money. People pay for hacks, sometimes far more than they ever did for the game. It is a cash cow. It's not like crazy new tech or mountains of money are gonna be required to defeat this profiling, they could literally integrate existing AI tech into the cheatbot to introduce a more human-like aesthetic with moderate effort, i'm thinking about a month or two after this releases it will be defeated. Perhaps another month for word to get around in the hacker communities and it will become mainstream.

    • @itsez1129
      @itsez1129 Před rokem +2

      @Duke of Spook Worst case scenario this could result in a GAN where the detector have only a 50% chance to get it right.
      All this depends on whether this is financially viable on both sides or not

  • @spac3dout320
    @spac3dout320 Před rokem +11

    I can maybe imagine this going sideways though with the biometric detection, what if someone happens to share similar tendencies with someone else on the playerbase. With a massive amount of players it surely may be possible

    • @paracosmx7684
      @paracosmx7684 Před rokem

      I can see that, people arent too unique most of the time, youll see unusual things pop up every now and then, making them really quite usual.

    • @alejandropetit6573
      @alejandropetit6573 Před rokem +2

      Exactly, imagine just playing your fav game and getting permabanned out of nowhere because the way you play is similar to the way a known cheater plays, that would be horrible and you can't really do anything about it.

  • @Manasha.
    @Manasha. Před rokem +1

    It may sound like one of those memes, but I genuinely like falling asleep to your or other creators i adore videos. Thank you ♥️

  • @slenzip
    @slenzip Před rokem +16

    One next level I am spooked of is people downloaded another person's digital footprint. Eg, downloading a pros playstyle eventually becoming bots playing games. Maybe that's just crazy talk but food foe thought.

  • @rileyg.5888
    @rileyg.5888 Před rokem +119

    I’m so sorry to hear that pyro hope you recover soon 🙏

  • @Olly_FPE
    @Olly_FPE Před rokem +24

    I used cheats in COD BO2 zombies (offline because I was like 8) and I remember how happy and joyful I was, using ray gun mk2 with godmode in round 1, using grenade spam, aimbot, infinite ammo, etc. I’m getting a dopamine boost from the nostalgia… I wanna go back to those days…. :(

    • @bugfriendz
      @bugfriendz Před rokem +17

      people can't wrap their head around the concept that you can enjoy something without an immediate challenge, like the act of installing a script is a threat to video games conceptually.
      no-one is going to listen to someone bitch about an infected lobby, the host is just going to boot them. not sure where we lost the idea of just finding a new lobby, blocking players, etc.

    • @jyorgbjornsen
      @jyorgbjornsen Před rokem +5

      @@bugfriendz Because competitive esports gaming is a cancer that has ruined multi-player games. Nobody really cared about playing old waw lobbies with cheats in them because it was funny. People today spend more time in esports games than I do at work.

    • @PosterityIslesNews
      @PosterityIslesNews Před rokem

      @@bugfriendz with games like tf2, its just gotten way out of hand. its not just 1 random cheater in a server that you can just leave, its at least a couple IN EVERY SERVER. like, the game is just unplayable at that point

    • @Olly_FPE
      @Olly_FPE Před 10 měsíci +1

      I have bad memory, but the the way to get the hacks, you have to go to the media thing, like videos. And search someone up. Then by doing it you get hacks installed for free. No payment. God I wanna go back.

    • @bugfriendz
      @bugfriendz Před 10 měsíci

      @@Olly_FPE essentially as long as you viewed the host that was cheating it would give you access to it until you reset your client in some way. sometimes it wouldn't stick, and you'd have to transfer through a private match for like an hour

  • @DrMedicsGameSurgery
    @DrMedicsGameSurgery Před rokem +3

    digital footprint is a terrible idea that can lead to doxxing issues or data harvesting into a social credit system

  • @lambdrey
    @lambdrey Před rokem +128

    1:30 How can you be a pyro main without knowink the situation of TF2 right now. There, real players are the ones in every three.

    • @MrTriple3D
      @MrTriple3D Před rokem

      1 game out of 50 is not representive enough for it to be 1 in 3

    • @lambdrey
      @lambdrey Před rokem +9

      @@MrTriple3D It's the tenth most played game on Steam.

    • @LordDeathslayer
      @LordDeathslayer Před rokem +2

      Crazily enough, DoesHotter had his main, his alts and EVERY bot he hosted banned

    • @benitoskeeto
      @benitoskeeto Před rokem +1

      it's not that bad because all the bots just get instakicked

    • @artem271297
      @artem271297 Před rokem +1

      @@lambdrey where 60% are bots

  • @sagechanged7923
    @sagechanged7923 Před rokem +24

    Hoping for a counter-anti-cheat where everyone can see the cheater through walls and insta-kill them.

    • @legobro5771
      @legobro5771 Před 11 měsíci

      If someone is detected cheating, make headshots hurt them instead of who they shoot

    • @00c4ctus
      @00c4ctus Před 10 měsíci

      Your dream came true with ricochet anti cheat

  • @luk4aaaa
    @luk4aaaa Před rokem +1

    the worst anticheat was the one they had on Mineplex when that server was still alive. You'd get banned for sprinting up stairs and spamming jump or crouching off a lilypad, but the guy speedhacking all over the place and one shotting everyone stayed unbanned for a month lol.

  • @Im_Jakon
    @Im_Jakon Před rokem +5

    I think we should plant apple trees on streets to provide shade for cars and feed the homeless

  • @JooseNerd
    @JooseNerd Před rokem +3

    I too wanted to go into medicine. I did Pharmacy for a Year at Uni, but failed at Chemistry. I get you bro.

  • @denbrodium935
    @denbrodium935 Před rokem +7

    Thank you pyro for surrendering my innocent family members, i hope the negotiations with the authorities went well

  • @kingkiller3582
    @kingkiller3582 Před rokem +2

    This is gonna be a crazy internet historian video in 5 years

  • @polishSnek
    @polishSnek Před 10 měsíci

    its wholesome seeing pyro talk about up and coming young streamers such as moistcritikal

  • @tram1839
    @tram1839 Před rokem +12

    it would also be cool to see performance statistics from the analysis this AI does, but I've got 2 concerns,
    1 isn't that stuff gonna take up like 60% of your frames cuzz its such a high detail processing AI,
    and 2 what if you got like arthritis or something, or maybe you're just Tyler1 and got a dent in your head making your movements inconsistent, or idk a psychopath maybe they play completely different, I feel like people who are just weird in their playstyle could unintentionally get targeted, be it disability or just playing like bing soy

    • @almicc
      @almicc Před rokem

      It would be nice to see that addressed specifically, but I think you're overestimating how much difference there really is between humans playing an FPS game well vs. cheating. You're really talking about disadvantages in play-style, not differences in play-style that make you play like you have cheats. Any difference from the normal population would undoubtedly make you terrible at the game. Counterintuitively playing FPS games in the most wrong way possible could never be mischaracterized as cheating. I'm sure an AI will not auto-ban the player who cannot aim, strafe, or get kills in an FPS game just because they play in such a disadvantageous way. Despite what you might believe, there is not such a large difference in the way decent gamers play an FPS game, however there is certainly a chasm between how the entire population plays and how cheaters play.
      For your first point, the AI anti-cheat is not running on your computer, it's running on the server that you're sending inputs to. I think you got confused by the cheat which streams your game and uses AI with the AI that streams your game to detect if you're cheating. Also, computing is much faster than you think it is. No matter how much you try, you can never manually input movement faster than the computer can process it. Every game is built to accept input at arbitrary times and process it fully before your own eyes have enough time to notice the delay. In terms of the time spent per-frame, almost all of the computing is simply to render the frame, and very little is spent actually doing computation, and all the while the computer is awaiting any input you give it. Because the model takes human inputs into a game made to be played by a human, which happen in human-time (incredibly slow compared to a computer), I would bet most of the 5 minutes they claim it takes to flag a player as a cheater is literally spent doing absolutely nothing except waiting to receive human inputs. Computers operate in GHz (1,000,000,000 operations per second) speed, humans move at Hz (maybe 20 clicks per second) speed, and our eyes seem to be sensitive to hundreds of changes per second, despite not actually having the ability to physically respond to/ mentally process hundreds of individual changes per second.

    • @tram1839
      @tram1839 Před rokem

      ​@@almicc I think you underestimate the diversity of players, people playing like a denthead doesn't necessarily mean they're bad at the game/ don't get good score. Heck there are even content creators centred around it, such as spoonkid or stimpee who both plays rust, many would say they suck at the game, but they have moments that make them look invincible, be it on stream or edited
      (edit: spoonkid recently even had a incident where he got startled from getting shot at and looked like he had aimbot when he flicked and killed the one who scared him, resulting in a lot of people accusing him of cheating in his video's)
      your other points on processing power i completely get (though i bet a lot of companies would say "we aint doing that" cuzz they'd be trying to cut costs and are too frugal to prioritise the long term health of their game)

  • @skippydinglechalk7075
    @skippydinglechalk7075 Před rokem +5

    Pyro when somebody cheats on their diet (They are now huge)

  • @Xav120
    @Xav120 Před rokem +2

    "Sorry we detected that you cheated in Club Penguin years ago, no more Fortnite, no more call of duty, no more big booty fempyro 2"

  • @mattdee3213
    @mattdee3213 Před rokem

    Sweating buckets here from when I used to be in Challenge Lobbies through COD4 to BO1

  • @masterofbloopers
    @masterofbloopers Před rokem +8

    Discord records voice chat audio? Imagine all the roleplay and degeneracy those Discord employees have to wade through.

  • @toxicclonejr8411
    @toxicclonejr8411 Před rokem +70

    Jokes aside i never understood concept of cheating, I don't understand how it would feel good to accomplish something knowing you don't deserve it, at least for me

    • @TheGodofdeathryuk
      @TheGodofdeathryuk Před rokem +41

      It's probably not about yourself winning and more about schadenfreude, cause you see others losing and being mad about it. That's why pyro's vindictiveness and bitterness puts it really well imo.

    • @mushrooms5757
      @mushrooms5757 Před rokem +39

      ​@@TheGodofdeathryuk Yeah, that's right. I remember just travelling in Red Dead Online when a cheater started to repeatedly spawn near and kill me, he then proceeded to get mad and shit talk because I didn't give him any response lol People like that just want others to have a bad time.

    • @broingup1239
      @broingup1239 Před rokem +3

      maybe some people don't want to grind a lot and thats why they cheat. But for pvp games that have no grind and are based on skill level make no sense to cheat in.

    • @bruwyvn
      @bruwyvn Před rokem +8

      Used have drop money hacks on GTA Online, I felt like giving the middle finger to Take Two. The game is filled to the brim with microtransactions and pay to win items.

    • @capricorncharger518
      @capricorncharger518 Před rokem +2

      For games that have pvp elements: to cause suffering for others
      For singleplayer/ pve co-op: they are most likely trying to find some fun in the game but are struggling to actually find it. E.g. payday 2 stealth is super unforgiving for players with no experience and grinds to a halt on larger maps which lead to the silent assassin mod to be made, making stealth somewhat easier but still required skill to pull off because of how it works

  • @samtheheister2610
    @samtheheister2610 Před rokem

    Thank you pyro for showing another person's full video on your video in the name of content

  • @rockyracoon7181
    @rockyracoon7181 Před rokem

    The ethereal music is what plays in pyros head whenever he plays Tf2 Rp

  • @tophatowl6724
    @tophatowl6724 Před rokem +6

    26:10 I am fairly sure the viewer pyro called out was saying "its so sad we got to a point where this level of anti cheat is necessary" not "its so sad we use technology".

  • @tankz7454
    @tankz7454 Před rokem +5

    As cool as this is, I don't trust it to not falsely ban legitimate players left and right.

    • @KwikBR
      @KwikBR Před rokem

      this will false ban way less then anything else

    • @tankz7454
      @tankz7454 Před rokem

      @@KwikBR Only time will tell, I'm just skeptical about it for the moment.

  • @Gistorian
    @Gistorian Před rokem +2

    Cheaters always find a way they will counter anything

  • @2miligrams
    @2miligrams Před rokem +2

    i love when pyro said "its inflating time" and named every one of his videos "huge blah blah blah drama" truly inspirational

  • @fucci110
    @fucci110 Před rokem +4

    I saw the video a week back or so, and seeing pyro cover, it really gives me hope that it'll get attention and support from consumers and devs

    • @connoc5078
      @connoc5078 Před rokem +2

      Hopefully the fingerprint stuff never catches on considering how extremely invasive it is.

  • @Zyyxs
    @Zyyxs Před rokem +8

    Congrats for pyro for admitting title

  • @user-vf1zw3wn3m
    @user-vf1zw3wn3m Před rokem +1

    I have a friend who hacked quite a lot. But they were usually bullied and picked on and were therefor scared on the internet and used hacks to feel superior and stronger. Once they removed those hacks they felt vulnerable and scared once more

  • @discipleofdagon8195
    @discipleofdagon8195 Před rokem

    Pyro getting ratio'd by a browser is the highlight of this vid

  • @Immadeus
    @Immadeus Před rokem +3

    Cheaters are the reason I only play single player games smh

  • @anomalygd955
    @anomalygd955 Před rokem +13

    I used to be massively bullied every day of my life just because of the way that i act and looked almost all my life and was getting tired of getting bullied all day and then heading home and getting destroyed in all my favorite games so i cheated. As of today, i havent cheated in almost 2000 days since my csgo banned. For all the people who cheat out there. Its not worth it, when you cheat you dont have the same satisfaction of achieving things as you will by trying hard and progressing in every game

    • @forwhomthebelltrolz
      @forwhomthebelltrolz Před rokem

      Haha

    • @forwhomthebelltrolz
      @forwhomthebelltrolz Před rokem +1

      Lol I jest

    • @striker6738
      @striker6738 Před rokem +4

      Some people cheat because they don't care about those things but just wanna piss off enemy players or just chill while with friends. And well to counter cheaters.

    • @sureall6975
      @sureall6975 Před rokem +3

      @@striker6738 Counter cheaters by supporting the cheat devs

    • @kalui96
      @kalui96 Před rokem

      W Valve for catching and banning you

  • @aftsfm
    @aftsfm Před rokem +1

    25:00 discord doesn't record nor listens your voice calls, this tos changes meant for upcoming voice messages update, and for something similiar to twitch clips

  • @bigfutus
    @bigfutus Před rokem

    Chunk Yoghurt's nephew impersonation was on point.

  • @depressedsweater
    @depressedsweater Před rokem +6

    My “concern” with the player profile stuff is what if you have a friend over that’s absolutely godlike at the game and plays a match or two under your account and you get banned from that?

    • @mr.personalspace7831
      @mr.personalspace7831 Před rokem +4

      Does your friend play like a tool-assured manual-control-inputting aimbot, or like a really good human? There is a difference.

    • @paracosmx7684
      @paracosmx7684 Před rokem +2

      @@mr.personalspace7831 his friend does both, dipped his hand in the honey pot and got caught, didnt tell him and played 2 hours, banned the account and now nobody gets to play, sad that

    • @N-i-L
      @N-i-L Před rokem

      It's probably the same thing as a player with a variable performance level. Like, a lot of times I'll either stomp lobbies in fps games or eat shit and be bottom of the board. There's rarely an in between. I would have a slight concern about being flagged as toggling on when I have a good match because of my bad match performance, but I would think that if it analyzes my habits and tactics, and sees that sometimes they work and sometimes they don't, I shouldn't have an issue.

    • @magnatcleo2043
      @magnatcleo2043 Před rokem

      Worse yet, can this system differentiate between cheating and having different skill levels in different game genres?

  • @bugfriendz
    @bugfriendz Před rokem +28

    playing as a cheater with other cheaters is an entirely different experience when human mechanics are out of the question. it becomes about your machine and the way you play around the fact everyone can see you and delete you if you peek your head out

    • @sirunfunny8042
      @sirunfunny8042 Před rokem +11

      Sounds really fun 🙄

    • @epicgameswheregamesareepic
      @epicgameswheregamesareepic Před rokem

      hvh is so stupid

    • @bugfriendz
      @bugfriendz Před rokem

      @@sirunfunny8042 it is, neither am i going to let your passive-aggressive comments dictate how i have fun.

    • @sirunfunny8042
      @sirunfunny8042 Před rokem +5

      @@bugfriendz lol you need cheats to have fun, who's really losing here

  • @SnufflySpy
    @SnufflySpy Před rokem

    2:52 I like how they didn't even need to show the whole picture. Just your face was enough

  • @knixie
    @knixie Před rokem +2

    You can get around the RNG with this. Just expand the error bounds to the RNG ranges. The way they generate the RNGs is predictable as well

  • @yaboiurlz
    @yaboiurlz Před rokem +8

    Sad to hear that Pyro’s father got sent to prison for cheating

  • @mr_snooz
    @mr_snooz Před rokem

    1:35 that had me laughing when he said it’s pie lol

  • @Kkat-ui9wi
    @Kkat-ui9wi Před 2 měsíci

    "To chemistry and physics enjoyers. please let them know that fun is legal" had me rolling

  • @marcellhegyi1363
    @marcellhegyi1363 Před rokem +7

    honestly this is a good thing, companies may just make good singleplayer games popular again

  • @xMoBBzY
    @xMoBBzY Před rokem +11

    The fact people pay real money to use cheats in an online game is something I’ll never understand

    • @ross_boss
      @ross_boss Před rokem +1

      Self esteem so low gotta throw wallet at it instead of going outside and talking to people or sum

    • @lydellackerman800
      @lydellackerman800 Před rokem +1

      @@ross_boss you sound slightly hurt 💀 someone ruin ur killstreak bozo?

  • @partytime8704
    @partytime8704 Před rokem

    Tank you 4 subtitles dad

  • @Scrim_oce
    @Scrim_oce Před rokem

    Keen to see how this ends up because while the general idea seems good but there's going to be so many issues associated with the actual implementation of it.
    It will most likely easily catch any blatant cheaters or rage hackers that any other anti-cheat can already do, but looking at just an aimbot - anything that isn't linear and has a well written smoothing algorithm with randomization would be difficult to detect.
    And there's so many vectors to consider before trying to figure out "human behavior" like the mice's polling rate, monitor refresh rate, and many other things that can affect any analysis. And AI is very taxing on hardware and costly especially considering if they're doing that for millions of players simultaneously.
    Interested to see how the biometric IDs are going to work as well, since there's probably not enough entropy in most games to be able to generate an entirely unique id based off of solely in-game behavior and is so dystopian and a privacy nightmare.
    Feels like the video is overhyping this and any proper implementation is some time away, especially considering that Valve (a billion dollar company) has been working on something similar with VACnet for CS and that was announced all the way back in 2018 and it is still being worked on.

  • @mrtortoise3766
    @mrtortoise3766 Před rokem +3

    I do like this idea because it could be a lot less invasive than the current (ineffective) ones which are big security risks for computers

    • @connoc5078
      @connoc5078 Před rokem +6

      As opposed to this idea which is massively invasive IRL, not just for a computer?

    • @mrtortoise3766
      @mrtortoise3766 Před rokem +1

      @@connoc5078 how so? It just watches your game

    • @DropTableIfExists
      @DropTableIfExists Před rokem +1

      @@mrtortoise3766 your biometrics aren’t exclusive to the game. What happens when browsers or an OS starts looking for the same markers like reach time, acceleration, deceleration or pixel-level movements?

    • @connoc5078
      @connoc5078 Před rokem

      @@mrtortoise3766 It watches a lot more than just your game.

  • @Zekrominer
    @Zekrominer Před rokem +8

    Thank god that pyro admits he cheated on his partner for thicc pyro TF2

  • @YMilkshake
    @YMilkshake Před rokem

    Am I really at the point where I'm watching video's twice? Once original and than the Pyro reaction 😂

  • @VishnuNambiarAwesome
    @VishnuNambiarAwesome Před rokem

    That tarkov video really had an impact, this is insane

  • @SolomonSamms
    @SolomonSamms Před rokem +3

    its kinda nice to know I am not crazy when I think someone is cheating, the fact 1 in 3 people could be cheating seems so real, I played SOT for years and recently cheating has been really bad, I thought it was me being trash but I guess not

    • @Volkig
      @Volkig Před rokem

      U double gun?

    • @SolomonSamms
      @SolomonSamms Před rokem

      @@Volkig I know where this is going, I don't personally double gun, but that doesn't excuse the kinda shit you see in that game, as the video says cheating is at an all time high, having played the game for years I can be pretty confident in sniffing out cheaters, especially when the game has had hit reg issues since release which have never been fixed

    • @Volkig
      @Volkig Před rokem

      @@SolomonSamms bot

  • @bizzybee3021
    @bizzybee3021 Před rokem +4

    I nephew told me he learned about the tarkov wiggle at school today. He's 8. He knew I played it awhile ago. Kids are precious. But yes cheating in video games sucks for those of us who grind legitimate accounts for hours on end.

  • @Evanz111
    @Evanz111 Před rokem +1

    I just spent like an entire hour trying to uninstall Riot’s Vanguard Anticheat off my brother’s computer because it bugged out and every time it was closed, would double the amount of programs running. His CPU would be at 100% on startup and when we tried to delete it as administrator, it stopped us and said we didn’t have permission. Digital horror.

    • @JaimieWFYT
      @JaimieWFYT Před rokem

      I recall there would be a bug on Valorant where at release the games file size would be huge, riot just wants your entire pc it seems.
      Also, hi evanz :)

    • @Evanz111
      @Evanz111 Před rokem

      @@JaimieWFYT To have to run commands in cmd then reboot in safe mode just to uninstall anticheat and fix his computer and was ridiculous :’)
      Also wow hey, wasn’t expecting to be spotted way out here haha

    • @catinbeanie
      @catinbeanie Před rokem

      Valorant moment.

  • @justyeet2432
    @justyeet2432 Před rokem +1

    the one in three gamers cheating thing is from a survey with the question basically saying "have you ever cheated in games before" so his statement is completely incorrect

  • @dramir5953
    @dramir5953 Před rokem +4

    I'm a hardcore cheater and I use my cheating powers to help people level up quick, get all the loot and enjoy the game.
    Never used it to cause harm, not my style

  • @Genasidal
    @Genasidal Před rokem +4

    A lot of hackers I've met seem like just normal stoners as well. I feel like there is a correlation between cheating and being a stoner 💀

  • @brockpiano
    @brockpiano Před rokem

    bro when cr1tikal came up and pyro said "hes changed a lot since he quit youtube and moved to japan" i got an opera gx ad with him in it

  • @1ntoTheAbyss
    @1ntoTheAbyss Před rokem

    You know what this means!……
    Lobby wait times are going to increase 😂

  • @MW-ul4ll
    @MW-ul4ll Před rokem +5

    I am gonna be honest Pyro is slowly transforming from Critikal to Asmongold. I think the hair loss will start soon

  • @marcusfanning7513
    @marcusfanning7513 Před rokem +11

    I'm a game developer. Seen this pop up a couple days ago and I can safely say I could not care less.
    This "technology" is made up nonsense. Firstly, the "1 in 3 people in an online FPS game are cheating" is a nonsensical statement because a) how could you ever collect the data necessary across millions of players and hundreds of games each with differing amounts of cheating going on and b) there is no way as many as 1 in 3 lmao lets be real that is completely absurd. (I'd have to guess maybe they pulled this number in an investor pitch to people who just simply dont play games in order to at a business level, make it appear as though they have a solution to a more rampant issue than the one that is really there, and are now constantly being brought up on this found "statistic" by people with genuine interest, while having no means to back down from this statement despite its falsehood).
    Keep in mind, we have little to no actual proof of this neural network working consistently only the equivalent of a sales pitch over and over, not even a tech demo. And with this running off a neural network and requiring actual recorded clips of someones gameplay (because unless its something like blatant spinbotting there is no way you would be able to detect well concealed aim cheats on a 32 tick rate server lets be real lmao) the computational work needed order to run this anticheat at scale is significantly more than anything else out there right now including valves own VACnet which runs off a more simple neural network model.
    As much as I despise valorant, its kernel anti cheat simply works. The actual server side computing needed to run it would be miniscule compared to doing this and wouldn't require people to send clips to be screened. Even in the case of these new cheats that work completely externally from your hardware, they aren't popular at all due how expensive they are and how cumbersome they are to get working, even in a game like valorant with an incredibly tryhard audience their anticheat seems to have done the trick.
    I'm also really not convinced that this wont result in a huge amount of false positives given the fact that neural networks often do make false positives, even with a huge amount of training false positives always happen atleast semi-regularly.
    tldr;
    This anticheat would be incredibly inefficient and some of the statistics given are obviously false, the developers are incredibly vague about how effective and precise it is at every corner and there are already superior solutions coming out or in use.
    Keep in mind, squad is a game with an active player count of around 10,000 concurrent players on PC alone, with an incredibly weak built in anticheat, yet on squad you will find it nearly impossible to find a single cheater because the game is purely ran on community hosted servers with good admins, and an audience that doesn't have an under-socialised/tryhard culture like Valorant. Games like Counter Strike Source and Arma also have barely any cheaters because there just isn't really a super tryhard audience there, just people who want to play and have fun. Basically the best thing you can do to reduce cheaters in your game is have no implementation of ELO.

    • @arandom35yearold
      @arandom35yearold Před rokem +5

      The whole video itself felt like very poorly veiled propaganda with how it presents a bad idea of directly handing over our player habits to them, but to create a profiler of each user (like this totally wont get abused at all!) as a revolutionary step for humanity moving forward. This smells rotten to the core. And of course the 1 in 3 number is absurd, if they somehow "know" 1 in 3 are cheaters, then... ban them already? Why do you need this new tool if you ALREADY know who is cheating?

    • @LeanAddict
      @LeanAddict Před rokem

      Most of your points made sense and I agree with almost everything. However your take in csgo was awful. Csgo has an insanely high amount of cheaters and the audience is tryhard… csgo is known for its notoriously high cheat rate. considering the game is also free ( for non-prime )so a cheater who gets banned can instantly make a new account. I would like to understand where you got this insane opinion from

    • @LeanAddict
      @LeanAddict Před rokem

      The skill celling is crazy high too so your going to say valorant which similar mechanics does have a tryhard audience but not CS?

    • @marcusfanning7513
      @marcusfanning7513 Před rokem

      @@LeanAddict read again. I said counter strike SOURCE. Not counter strike global offensive. I have 2600 hours on cs go and friends who used to sell cheats and were aimware admins lol

  • @RaccoonFacts
    @RaccoonFacts Před rokem +1

    It won't work for more than a few months, but its exciting to give some bored programmers a new challenge. Imagine training an Ai bot using your personal game footage or using math to make an algorithm designed to emulate how many times a human looks in the wrong direction. Fun times ahead.

  • @jAujAl1
    @jAujAl1 Před rokem

    Ngl, that Opera GX roast was savage.

  • @diamondxdragons
    @diamondxdragons Před rokem +3

    I used to hack in CSGO because there was a bad amount of cheaters in my rank so I'd use mine to counter them.

  • @doodoofartman
    @doodoofartman Před rokem

    2:52 pyro refusing to utter "ratio"

  • @flamevell3258
    @flamevell3258 Před rokem

    "let's say like warzone"
    Shows MW2 footage

  • @Crooked60
    @Crooked60 Před rokem +3

    I cheated on my wife I hope this won't be an issue in the future

    • @y2qh
      @y2qh Před rokem

      You will get inhaled by the vacuum of space when the ai anti cheat launches.

  • @urgaaanZ
    @urgaaanZ Před rokem +1

    i did not expect basicallyhomeless on this channel

  • @tylerglenn246
    @tylerglenn246 Před rokem

    26:54 dude I didn't know Pyro knew kappa kaiju that's rad

  • @fwombo2043
    @fwombo2043 Před rokem

    i've noticed pyro says the word "slop" alot new catchphrase confirmed

  • @fuarkYT
    @fuarkYT Před rokem +1

    "Chemistry Enjoyers" don't know that fun is legal.
    Chemistry "Enjoyers" know that fun is not legal.

  • @Kaniatsu1
    @Kaniatsu1 Před rokem +1

    Wow this is so amazing, but is valve ever going to let go that 780 days ago I queued in a lobby of csgo with a FRIEND who cheated, but never in my life have cheated myself, and vac banned me by association?