The Kawasaki ZX4RR Makes NO SENSE...

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    So everyone's talking about the new Kawasaki ZX4RR, and how much power it's going to make, but no one's talking about little torque it's going to make, also how expensive it is. To me this bike makes no sense, and yet there's a lot of hype. I don't get it.
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    00:00 - Intro
    01:38 - The Facts
    06:22 - Hot Take Time
    08:05 - VS Ninja 400
    09:26 - VS Yamaha R7
    11:22 - TORQUE MATTERS!
    14:26 - What About Squids?
    15:23 - Why Do I Hate Fun?
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  • @spitescorner
    @spitescorner  Před rokem +26

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    • @houjous5131
      @houjous5131 Před rokem +1

      the 400rr is probably aiming to be the perfect track weapon in the low cc. but as kawi does - it's fat.

    • @SuninSanDiego
      @SuninSanDiego Před rokem +1

      You forgot to mention that you can run over your flying eyes with a Harley and they will keep on trucking.

    • @DennisMerwood-xk8wp
      @DennisMerwood-xk8wp Před rokem +1

      No Japanese sports bike after the 1984 Kawasaki Ninja GPz900 has made sense!
      All ridiculously too fast!
      The fashion of these fully faired race-replicas was the dumbest thing to have happened in motorcycle history.
      It all went wrong for practical riding after the KZ1000

    • @victoriazero8869
      @victoriazero8869 Před rokem

      Spite once again being American thinking only America that matters. Meanwhile the Japanese and the Europeans are laughing their ass off. Please broaden your horizon.
      1. 400cc class means 400cc insurance and tax, that matters a lot even IN USA
      2. Some countries literally limit bikes by displacement, not power (Japan)
      Funny thing, this being Kawasaki? I believed they just slapped new 400cc I4 engine on a ZX6 frame, with additional steel swingarms (Hence 3kg heavier). This happened with old, pre-2017 Ninja 400, which shared the same behemoth frame as Ninja 650. I rode it, it was VERY heavy at 212 kg wet.

    • @ausforce1
      @ausforce1 Před rokem

      Omg spite you have so very much to learn 🤦🏼🤭. You live in one of the very worst places in the world for sports bike riding. This bike is designed to be ridden above 10,000RMP high revs right up to the red line and screaming like an F1 engine. You just don't know a thing about riding endless twisty roads and track, if you did you would understand how wrong you are.
      There is very little fun riding a 200hp bike on the street as you're restraining the engine the entire time, a small capacity online 4 is pure adrenaline pumping fun screaming through the gears like a MotoGP rider but not doing 300kph. If you cannot understand that then you really are a novice rider. Get your head out of Texas 😂 it's self imposed ignorance.

  • @punchbuggyyellow7097
    @punchbuggyyellow7097 Před rokem +196

    I'm not jumping at the chance to pre-order, but it's certainly on my short list with only 2 bikes ahead of it. If they bring out a Z version of it then it'll instantly jump to the top. On paper it looks like the perfect weekend toy for those of us who live in Sydney. We've got more local twisty roads than we can point a stick at, but with speed limits of 100km/h, 80 km/h or even 60km/h. And there's a plethora of mobile speed cameras & police who are more than willing to book you for going anything over the speed limit. The ZX-4RR makes perfect sense here because it's a bike that you can ride at the limit without breaking the limit.

    • @SoulTouchMusic93
      @SoulTouchMusic93 Před rokem +14

      As a clapped out gixxer thaw rider I'd buy a naked one of this in a heartbeat. Can't run through gears on the gixxer without setting a land speed record.

    • @jimnagel5611
      @jimnagel5611 Před rokem +5

      YEAH - I'M WITH YOU -- MAKE A Z MODEL & IT BECOMES VERY INTERESTING -- FOR MANY PEOPLE THAT DONT LIVE IN HUGE CITIES LIKE DALLAS IT LOOKS LIKE A VERY FUN CITY BIKE -- I HAD A HONDA 400 I-4 & IT WAS A SUPER FUN FUN BIKE -- FOR WHAT IT WAS - IT WAS FAST ENOUGH -- NOT TORQUEY - NOT SUPER FAST -- BUT THE FEEL OF AN I-4 WAS WHAT IT WAS ALL ABOUT

    • @freebehindbars8654
      @freebehindbars8654 Před rokem +3

      Couldn’t design a worse bike for the streets. A Duke 390 makes more sense for the road. Low end/mid torque/hp…

    • @Myndi78
      @Myndi78 Před rokem +4

      I have allways loved the Bandit400 BECAUSE of the low powered inline4 engine. You can make that engine SCREAM and make old ladies grab their chihuahuas but you're just going the speedlimit 🤗
      If this turns out to be a modern Bandit400 I would definitly recommend to a new rider aswell, especially because of all the electronic aids they are adding. This bike is going to be awesome and Spite is dumb and ugly for missing the point! (not really but its the internet)
      That said - aftermarket pipes will be needed for SURE 🤐

    • @jimnagel5611
      @jimnagel5611 Před rokem +2

      @@freebehindbars8654 NOT TALKING ABOUT WHAT MAKES SENSE ARE WE ? SOME JUST LIKE THE INLINE 4's - MORE FUNNER

  • @sparky8091
    @sparky8091 Před rokem +129

    I placed my deposit on one at my local dealer the day it was announced. I have a track Ninja 400 right now and wanted something that was quicker. 400CC is the largest displacement that local Kart tracks allow so the ZX4RR will still be allowed on the smaller tracks, while having enough horsepower to still be fun at the larger, full-scale tracks.
    Basically I don't want to own two different CC track bikes for the different sized tracks when the 400's can do both extremely well.
    Estimated arrival date is late April at the moment. Can't wait!

    • @ThaBootyBandit
      @ThaBootyBandit Před rokem +4

      The added weight will make it slower than a normal ninja 400.... torque and weight is what makes a bike fast at the track, not hp. The only time HP matters is during a long straight but you'll lose that gained time in the corners due to the lack of torque and added weight.

    • @VishalNehra
      @VishalNehra Před rokem +13

      @@ThaBootyBandit You can easily lose 4-5 kgs after replacing the exhaust. As well as flash a modified ECU to make it go even faster. There's no way a 2 cyl 400 will be faster than a 4 cyl 400cc.

    • @ridenm7748
      @ridenm7748 Před rokem +6

      @@VishalNehra on a cart track I'd rather have the ninja 400. That inline 4 will be abysmal on a cart track.

    • @fivespeed3026
      @fivespeed3026 Před rokem +3

      @@VishalNehra The Ninja 400 can also lose weight with an aftermarket exhaust and gain power with an ECU flash. The only way this bike makes sense is if you only ride at tracks that limit the CC’s to 400.

    • @VishalNehra
      @VishalNehra Před rokem

      @@fivespeed3026 maybe, I'm not a track rider. I'm looking to buy this for weekend getaways and city use. A screamer like this is perfect to be within speed limits and turn everyone's heads.
      If I were to buy a track bike it would be nothing short of a 600cc 4 cyl.

  • @GreenDragon636
    @GreenDragon636 Před rokem +43

    I just put a down payment on the first ZX4RR to hit the show room at my local high volume dealership. For those of us that prefer inline 4 SS class bikes and ride the twisties, this bike makes perfect sense. I am a current owner of a ZX6R and previously owned a Ninja 400 and I think the ZX4RR is going to be a nice balance.

    • @alexv5581
      @alexv5581 Před rokem

      You can put a deposit down already ? When is the bike releasing?

    • @DR-hw9js
      @DR-hw9js Před rokem +5

      I'm extremely excited for this bike.....this is a MUST HAVE for me. To be brutally honest this would probably replace my 636 as a Daily during the week. I would use the 636 on the weekends.
      This is a Dream come TRUE!!!

    • @rightwingsafetysquad9872
      @rightwingsafetysquad9872 Před rokem

      OK, but why do you think the 4R R is going to be preferable to the 6R?

    • @DR-hw9js
      @DR-hw9js Před rokem +2

      @@rightwingsafetysquad9872 the bike is going to be more forgiving. It going to mich easir to turn with a ligter rotational mass. That engine is physically smaller, so less centrifugal forces. There also a ton of Tech that the 636 doesn't have from the Rideology and connectivity to the small inline 4 that will nearly aound like an F1 car compared yo the 636.
      It also has alot of componentry from the ZX-10R like the BRC-Lite shock that's fully adjustable. It alsp has the Quickshifter with Auto-blipper , and a full TFT display. Think about purist who actually want to race a bigger bike will buy the 636 because they just want a faster bike and will spend 10-20k to build a full spec Racebike. But small bike track day enthusiast and backroad junkies like me. Here's a bike that has 80%-95% of everything you want and it cost a fraction compared to adding those upgrades aftermarket. Also no matter what you do to a Ninja400 it will NEVER have this level of power or peak torque up top. That was my primary gripe of about thr Ninja 300 and 400. It would be loosig steam up top.

    • @DR-hw9js
      @DR-hw9js Před rokem +3

      @J shoot...... You acting like this is a 250..... I still have the Ninja 300 i bought aftdr getting a 636 first!!! No way i would be selling the ZX-4RR...... You got some of us messed up. This isn't some beginner bike you just learn on..... If that's the case then you have no business buying a bike like the ZX-4RR in the first place much less a ZX-6R. If you need a bike strickly to learn on by a 125cc thumper to a 400cc parallel twin.

  • @shift3389
    @shift3389 Před rokem +270

    Sorry Spite, I think you missed it on this one. That bike will be an absolute blast to ride and rev to the moon. Can make a great beginner bike or play bike for an experienced rider. Kawi is gonna sell a ton of them and you love you first ride!!!

    • @oosteveo315
      @oosteveo315 Před rokem +9

      BINGO BANGO

    • @ThermicLight
      @ThermicLight Před rokem +9

      Yes but will you actually buy one consider the competition. That everyone here seems to love it. But this enthusiasm is yet to be seen in dollars.

    • @2PsychoMantis3
      @2PsychoMantis3 Před rokem +21

      spites views on sportbikes are so annoying he should stick to cruisers

    • @ajvidneuvid5254
      @ajvidneuvid5254 Před rokem +5

      I hope it sells. I'd like to buy one used in a couple of years and rev bomb everyone!!! But I have doubts. I really believe it is a niche bike. I don't think it's priced for beginners. I also think it encourages revving it out, keeping it at peak hp. Not necessarily what I would recommend to learn on. It could be a beginner bike, but I think it's a beginner/small track bike. And that's the niche. I hope I'm wrong, and people adore the bike. Maybe it'll sell like the groms, but my bet is they are not selling "a ton" of them. They could become instant classics if they are rare. Interesting any way this goes. I'm glad it's being made.

    • @ThermicLight
      @ThermicLight Před rokem +2

      @@ajvidneuvid5254 - I wouldn't be keen to buy this bike used. I mean you know whoever owns it is likely to rev it like crazy. Could easily turn into a big money pit.

  • @brazoon1
    @brazoon1 Před rokem +274

    Hey Spite! If I'm not mistaken, the ram-air is dependent on speed not RPM. The faster the bike moves the more it pushes air into the air intake. Cheers, brother!

    • @emmettturner9452
      @emmettturner9452 Před rokem +17

      You aren’t mistaken.

    • @hellfire08
      @hellfire08 Před rokem +36

      Shhhhhhh 🤫 this is too advanced for him to understand 😂

    • @mart7798
      @mart7798 Před rokem +13

      Thats why its called ram air,the faster you go the more air gets rammed in!😂

    • @CaitofFate
      @CaitofFate Před rokem +2

      oof

    • @victoriazero8869
      @victoriazero8869 Před rokem +4

      Yep. Ram air works after 70 MPH, but peak efficiency happens much later (140 MPH I think) but I don't know if ZX4RR can achieve that speed, period.

  • @Angryeddie14
    @Angryeddie14 Před rokem +132

    I like this bike because you could be an absolute hooligan revving to the moon and not get in as much trouble as the bigger bikes. I always wished Honda brought the CB400 super four here because that’s one of my dream bikes, naked bike with 400cc 4 banger sounds like a riot! I get that people like torque and I do too but sometimes just being silly for the sake of it is fun too, but I do agree it’s expensive as hek

    • @westondifranco9313
      @westondifranco9313 Před rokem +10

      Same. My FZ1 makes stupid power and is double the speed limit in 1st.
      It's fun to rev an inline 4 in the twisties and not be constantly doing "go to jail speeds".

    • @thecamdenyard
      @thecamdenyard Před rokem +7

      C’mon Z400RS 🎉🎉 with revised cams and a 10-12k redline make a lil more torque and around 50-55hp would be a blast. A lil round town screamer highway cruiser with retro cool looks and weekend canyon carving at your disposal. Redline the first 3 gears on your way to the post office 😎😂

    • @Angryeddie14
      @Angryeddie14 Před rokem

      @@thecamdenyard oh yea, THIS is the way

    • @sethanderson5060
      @sethanderson5060 Před rokem +4

      The CB400 Super Four is my all time favorite bike I’ve ridden. If I could buy one in the US I would do so in a heartbeat

    • @ubermatureshit
      @ubermatureshit Před rokem +4

      Look for a honda CB-1. It's the CB400f, the only bike we got in the states that has that nc27 4cyl 400 that's also in the super 4.
      I own one, it's awesome fun

  • @MMShaggy
    @MMShaggy Před rokem +120

    For me it's the sound. I really wanted something that screams but I'm not doing a 100 mph to get that sound. Main reason I wish they sold the ZX25 in the States. They sound so good.

    • @englishsteel-nz6im
      @englishsteel-nz6im Před rokem +12

      Exactly and corner amazing to rip around on.... it's a fun machine. You can wring this thing out all day and it'll be 5x as fun as a P-twin.

    • @soulknight89
      @soulknight89 Před rokem +4

      I was hoping for a zx25 variation for the us. Oh well... T_T

    • @David-lr2vi
      @David-lr2vi Před rokem +3

      Exactly! I’m hanging out for it here in Australia. I’ve got a Z650 at the moment which I do like but the sound just can’t compare with an inline 4. I’ll probably trade it in on the ZX4. The smaller capacity means you get the sound without having to do ridiculous speeds.

    • @jimperry4420
      @jimperry4420 Před rokem +4

      16k rpm with a can will sound magical!

    • @crazycamkalani
      @crazycamkalani Před rokem +3

      The zx4r lineup is on the same frame as the zx25r, so this is probably as close as we're gonna get to a zx25r stateside!

  • @kAudiZ78
    @kAudiZ78 Před rokem +4

    We own the ZXR 400 1993. We have been waiting for the return of the smaller 4 cylinder inlines for a long time. They sound amazing and 2 cylinder's are getting annoyingly boring. I really hope this is the beginning of the new era of 4 cylinder bikes. They are SO much more fun to master.

  • @justinpapin6397
    @justinpapin6397 Před rokem +16

    This is a premium small capacity RACE bike. Track boys are gonna love this especially for small CC class races. I'm excited to see how much people can bump up the power with minor tuning. This bike has all the mods (suspension, clip ons, brakes etc) that people would consider making on the Ninja 400 for track racing; when you consider that, as well as the much more race oriented engine, the price difference between Ninja 400 and ZX4RR is worth it

    • @joebrown2898
      @joebrown2898 Před rokem

      It’s 1000 cash cheaper than a zx6r tho….

  • @MrWIbackpacker
    @MrWIbackpacker Před rokem +40

    Just saying. The channel has already eclipsed the former in QUALITY of content. Great work brother. Glad one downturn led to a better opportunity!
    As for the zx4rr. I think it's pretty sick. I'm a huge fan of small bore bikes, and this is a cool one.

  • @dadigz
    @dadigz Před rokem +2

    It's the I4. It screams, and there is nothing like that in the twin/single/triple world. Add to that the fact that you can really wring it out and make it scream like a banshee while still retaining a semblance of common sense on the public roads and it becomes very intriguing to me. I've been interested in the small I4 for a while, and having one actually make it here to the USA with all the modern technologies added in almost has me ready to add it to my stable.
    Would I want it as an only bike? Probably not - but as a fun little screamer to sound like an Indy car while still remaining under (some) speed limits I think it'd be a blast.

  • @GRAW247
    @GRAW247 Před rokem +51

    I've pre-ordered a ZX-4RR. What made me pre-order it was that the 300/400 Ninja handles exceptionally but needed just a little more top end. The 400 fits perfectly in middle where you can get the maximum performance on the road out of a smaller cc bike. For me it's the perfect bike that allows you to get every bit of performance out on the road for spirited riding. Having a 160 rear will allow the bike to be very agile compared with a 600 and will be an absolute weapon for the corners. Uncomprimised handling with strong power is great. Kept up with 1000 on my 300 in twisities, so no doubt the 400 in line four will be the ultimate road tool for me.

    • @aluisious
      @aluisious Před rokem +2

      It weighs 50 pounds more than the 400. It might not be as agile as you hope.

    • @fadetoblackMotorcycle
      @fadetoblackMotorcycle Před rokem +1

      well done mate!

    • @exothermal.sprocket
      @exothermal.sprocket Před rokem

      There's a difference between educated speculation, and reality.

    • @WhoTFVotedBiden
      @WhoTFVotedBiden Před rokem

      It’s not the bike it’s the rider

    • @hokogan
      @hokogan Před 5 měsíci +1

      @@aluisious It’s a perfectly agile bike, by the way.

  • @schrodingersmechanic7622

    Honestly, I hate parallel twins in a sport bike. Any serious sport bike deserves a screaming inline 4. With this you get the soundtrack and handling of high end bikes without the self deletion aspect when you wring its neck out.

    • @kesbar
      @kesbar Před rokem +3

      Exactly. It's more fun to ride a small displacement bike hard. On the street, sounding like you're going fast is a lot better than actually going fast.

    • @Tom-eq5bz
      @Tom-eq5bz Před rokem

      Exactly, you will not kill yourself and lose your license for Reving it when caught

  • @somatyk
    @somatyk Před rokem +67

    I love that there is still an affordable maker of mainstream manufacturer bikes where the profit margin is secondary to making interesting two wheelers.

    • @millennialmalaise9386
      @millennialmalaise9386 Před rokem +1

      As a whole yes, but the ZX-4r is gonna be anything but cheap

    • @Beedji
      @Beedji Před rokem +4

      No company thinks the "profit margin is secondary"
      If you're buying a cheap bike, that means the company is making cuts on materials or manufacturing process or marketing.
      They are making a sustainable profit regardless of the price of the bike.

    • @somatyk
      @somatyk Před rokem

      @@millennialmalaise9386 True

    • @somatyk
      @somatyk Před rokem +1

      @@Beedji Well obviously. A company with no profit has no company. I commend you on your levels of pedantry. Top notch.

    • @Khmersupra
      @Khmersupra Před rokem +2

      kinda like rotary engine for cars

  • @WeableSplash
    @WeableSplash Před rokem +33

    Im excited. I have an appointment to see one when the dealership gets them in. Sound and the tech are the things that make me want it the most. It’s something that sounds similar to a zx6r with power that’s more usable on the street. I imagine you can actually hit redline in the first 3 gears without getting a felony. Since motorcycling is kind of a therapy for me, the sound my motorcycle makes is very important. The rider aids are important as well. Price isn’t too much of a concern for me.

    • @puffybodie5282
      @puffybodie5282 Před rokem

      Wrong about felony ;-) Take a look around on existing videos. 1st - about 60mph to 3rd - about 120mph ;-)

    • @WeableSplash
      @WeableSplash Před rokem

      @@puffybodie5282 at least in my state, 100+ mph is only a class A misdemeanor. I can definitely see getting slapped with something worse if I was caught going 160+

  • @ethancknight
    @ethancknight Před rokem +17

    Before listening to the rest of the video, my thoughts were exactly as you described, a resurgence of the old low CC inline 4 screamers. And for that reason, I am extremely excited for this motorcycle, even though there's no way in hell I'm buying one right now

  • @tegansmith5856
    @tegansmith5856 Před rokem +40

    The CB400F’s were loved by many back in the day. I still miss my ‘73 Honda CB550 Four I had during the 70’s and 80’s. I loved the way the power of a four comes on at high revs, along with the great sound. Motorcycling can be so much more than just speed!

  • @cwroberts79
    @cwroberts79 Před rokem +17

    So for fun, I produce about one horsepower on my bicycle. Leaving a stop light I’m putting down something like 100-150 ft lbs of torque. Average speed is around 25 mph for a good ride. Unfortunately past the light I’d get smoked by the Z’s minuscule torque. Unfortunate my max rpm is around 125 with an average of 95. All hail the miracle of gearing!

    • @Illness.og.
      @Illness.og. Před rokem

      What does this all mean?

    • @cwroberts79
      @cwroberts79 Před rokem +1

      It’s a comment on the torque values from that I4 vs a strong cyclist. Spite was rather unimpressed by the torque value of the bike.

    • @Illness.og.
      @Illness.og. Před rokem

      @@cwroberts79 so you’re implying that the gearing will make up for the low torque numbers?

    • @Illness.og.
      @Illness.og. Před rokem

      @@idontknow4449 probably. But I’m just trying to learn more about the zx4rr.

    • @Stratocasterhead51
      @Stratocasterhead51 Před rokem +1

      @@Illness.og. It means that spite doesnt have the faintest clue on how the internal combustion engine works. The zx4rr has the exact same peak torque as a Ninja 400. Almost as if the size of the engine was directly proportional to the torque it produces. Mild Shock.

  • @originalkontrol
    @originalkontrol Před rokem +3

    I would say this... torque DOES matter... but not to everyone. The unique sound and feel of a tiny 4 wailing away is special. The idea of finally being able to get one in the US is special. Currently it's all about the tripples and twins, street 4's (even bigger ones) get precious little love these days, but there are still the faithful. Those who love the feel of that high end rush of power! That wail! 4's lately have been called boring, lacking soul and a special soundtrack. My Z900RS and I stoutly disagree. But, to each their own, and I do get why some folks are like, WTF? Time will tell if the idea lives up to the reality of living with one of these little unicorns. If I could afford a second street bike, there wouldn't even be a second choice.

  • @hillcountrymax
    @hillcountrymax Před rokem +1

    Despite rolling around on a 1200 twin with 125hp and 92 lb-ft (BMW). I still would LOVE to have this high strung little screamer. Growing up in Southern California with near endless canyon roads, at a time when names like Hurricane, Ninja, GSXR and FZR were what everyone rode or wanted to ride. And as a life long fan of small motorcycles, but to young for the 2 stroke street bikes, the ZX4RR is everything that 20 something year old me dreamed of in a "sport bike". As there have been more than a few years between then and now, I know my wrists and my knees won't stand for it no matter how much I still want this bike.

  • @cp4512
    @cp4512 Před rokem +7

    I had a grey import ZXR400 years ago and loved it. Think I’ll be ordering one of these. The excitement and thrill of the ride is the important thing on these, rather than it being a sensible form of transport. If you want something easy to ride which is sensible to commute round town on then buy yourself an MT-03 or CB500 which are also a great small capacity bikes.

  • @downhillupside
    @downhillupside Před rokem +5

    It's not as sensible in the US, I agree. In Canada, however, it's being sold for the equivalent of $8100 usd for the RR, and $7500 for the base model. And at least in my province, the sub 400 cc capacity means motorcycle insurance will sit at around 500 dollars per year, instead of the 1000 dollars a year it would cost as soon as I break the 400 cc mark.

    • @Hotrob_J
      @Hotrob_J Před rokem

      Ngl, one of the reasons I moved to la belle province was for the cheaper motorcycle insurance. KLR? That'll be $650 a year s'il vous plaît. Aprilia Tuono V4? Yeah that's in the same ballpark as a KLR, $650 a year s'il vous plaît.

    • @Oakleyshooter
      @Oakleyshooter Před rokem

      is $500 per YEAR savings worth not getting a bigger bike that is actually worth the price tag? This Zx4rr is cool but its about $3-$4k higher than what would make sense in the US.

    • @downhillupside
      @downhillupside Před rokem

      @@Oakleyshooter Again, the price isn't nearly as high in Canada as the US.

  • @DoonieMannn
    @DoonieMannn Před rokem +6

    I will be purchasing this as my beginner bike. I think this is going to be a great option to learn on and stick with. A lot of the issue is people get these 300s and want to sell them as soon as they get comfortable riding. I think this will be a great long term option to cruise and when you want to have a little fun it has some great power!

    • @UltimateEnd0
      @UltimateEnd0 Před rokem

      Same, ZX4RR bros...going to save up all year for it. Good luck to you.

    • @WhoTFVotedBiden
      @WhoTFVotedBiden Před rokem

      I paid 2k for a great beginner bike. Have fun wasting 10k tho 🤦🏼‍♂️

    • @preysidius190
      @preysidius190 Před 10 měsíci

      lmao this is dude is personally insulted by everyone who likes this bike and its been months since this upload. What a loser. @@WhoTFVotedBiden

  • @Emfourayone
    @Emfourayone Před rokem +30

    As a rider of a 2009 cb400sf and a 1990 cbr250rr and general fan of the small cc 4cyls I acknowledge that in the American market it probably isn't that desired but the main fun is the fact that you can make all that noise and be within atleast a reasonable speed plus judging from how they specced the susp it'll be a great little twisty bike

  • @twobrotherscycleanda
    @twobrotherscycleanda Před rokem +2

    That lack of torque is going to be beneficial once the road gets twisty. That bike is going to be an absolute blast.

  • @tswc42
    @tswc42 Před 11 měsíci +2

    Yeah, this video is months old. But I feel compelled to chime in anyway. I was at a Champ School a few weeks ago and one of the other guys there had a zx4rr and *everyone* was all over it. Dozens of amazing premium bikes, v4 Ducatis and Aprilias, etc, and it was the zx4rr that had everyone drooling over it. One of the other guys there went out and bought one immediately after. The dealers here can’t keep them in stock. The marketplace has a few people selling them used at major mark ups. It is a massive hit. At least so far. Kawi is having test ride days near me in the coming week and the number one question everyone is asking is: will the zx4rr be there. Maybe that will die down, but for now they are crushing it. I get why it doesn’t make sense to most people, but it’s in super high demand right now.

  • @geewoods6590
    @geewoods6590 Před rokem +22

    Another point to make is road tax and insurance is lower for lower CC bikes. The difference between 400cc (which sounds amazing) compared to 650+CC is alot of extra costs annually.

    • @julyman9
      @julyman9 Před rokem

      That’s main reason I’m getting it, especially here in Canada insurance for anything over 600cc is ridiculous

  • @dasko3
    @dasko3 Před rokem +12

    Love that Lance Oliver, The Silver Fox, got the shout out in this video. Yes, we need more weird and unique bikes! I believe at least one Discord member got a pre-order in a couple of weeks back.

  • @bc3nt
    @bc3nt Před rokem +5

    Been watching motorcycle YT content for a little more than 2 years now and this is one of the channels I find myself watching the most. Keep it up Spite!

  • @MrJacobMcDermott
    @MrJacobMcDermott Před rokem +1

    Tell me you know absolutely nothing about racing on a track without telling me you know absolutely nothing about racing on a track... nevermind he just did that perfectly with this video. Dude's probably never done a track day in his life, glad he has such a strong opinion on an obviously track oriented bike.

  • @TheFlatPancakeTheory
    @TheFlatPancakeTheory Před rokem +11

    It makes a lot of sense actually. A lot of riders who don’t want a 600+ bike but the 600cc below range don’t sound or feel nearly as exciting as a zx4 would.
    Then you got insurance and tax etc for us here in Europe and all of a sudden a fun little 400 that revs high and sounds great really makes sense for the price it would cost to run.

    • @roadrunner681
      @roadrunner681 Před rokem +1

      But that's in Europe not the usa

    • @TheFlatPancakeTheory
      @TheFlatPancakeTheory Před rokem +3

      @@roadrunner681 yeah, if it comes to Europe I think it would be well received as in Asia too, but probably not the states.

    • @notnem3883
      @notnem3883 Před rokem +3

      @@TheFlatPancakeTheory its announced in the uk which means it passed euro emissions, its coming to europe

    • @roadrunner681
      @roadrunner681 Před rokem +1

      @TheFlatPancakeTheory I could see it being cool there, I've never been there though. Around me big tour bikes rule, because there just huge stretches of straight roads. I can go 30 miles without turning pretty easily

    • @bakotako
      @bakotako Před rokem

      the only problem with this is according to the specs its bigger than a ninja 650. yes if it was same size as a ninja 400 this be a selling point

  • @ronhayes6131
    @ronhayes6131 Před rokem +6

    Yes, many of us who grew up in 70s and 80s love the feel of an inline 4. I still have my Radian and Bandit with an inline 4 and they are a blast.

  • @STIjojoSTI
    @STIjojoSTI Před rokem +5

    Its make perfect sense to come out with this bike. Kawasaki saw the success of the 250cc (25r) version in asia and new that they had something special on their hands. Its a no brainer to come out with a 400cc version like what they had in the old days! Sat on the 25r at the dealership here and its perfect size for me at 5’ 6”. A little bit smaller and lower seat height than a zx6r. The power of the 25r is perfect for beginners and intermediate riders with a comfortable riding position. Higher than zx6r handle bars. So they say the zx4r is about the same size, its perfect! With 80 hp its gonna be a blast to ride on the twisties. Its cheaper than the zx6r, slower but some riders dont need that much hp to have fun. Its more fun to ride a slower bike faster than a faster bike slower, which happens most of the time. BTW, the sound of the screaming 4 cylinder is freaking awesome!!

    • @leoni1982
      @leoni1982 Před rokem +1

      I'm the same height as you. My first sport bike was a FZR 600. A friend had a small course setup to ride his Ninja 250 so I rode around it with his bike. In lap time I was consistently faster then he was 😄. It took me more effort and concentration to ride my own bike on that same course. Bike reviewer Arie Henning owned and modified a Ninja 400 for track use. The money spent on modification plus the bike came to about $10,000. So Kawasaki bringing the Zx4RR with a tunable suspension and a inline 4 screamer 399cc is still about the same cost.

  • @2ZA123
    @2ZA123 Před rokem +2

    My first motorcycle was the 250 CBRrr made in the 1990s, that thing was amazing. It would rev up to 18,000 rpm comfortably and was so fun and agile. Even my friends with 1000cc motorcycles were impressed that I could keep up on the twisties.😁 Of course I had no chance on the straights but it was rush catching up to them on the corners which we have a lot on in New Zealand. 😜 Lol 😅

  • @impaledface7694
    @impaledface7694 Před rokem +13

    I am excited to see a new i-4 in the wave of p-twins. This is a bike I could see myself getting, but as a used bike connisour it's probably not going to happen. Here in CA I have tight canyon roads about 10 miles away so a lower hp 4 cylinder is easier to use. The torque will be low but that can be improved with shorter gearing, which means more running through the gears, which is the whole point of a bike like this. It's really more of an emotional purchase for most people. Logic would dictate People would get an r7, 600, or ninja 400. That's boring and I can't be the only one who is tired of more p-twins. I hope they sell well, it's rare for me to be excited about a new bike, but this is one of them.

  • @ButBigger42
    @ButBigger42 Před rokem +4

    I want that bike real bad. I want the 4 banger sound but not the 200mph speeds. It's perfect.

  • @SamWilliams78
    @SamWilliams78 Před rokem +11

    I definitely love the concept of a small 4 cylinder. Theyre always going to be more money than an equivalent twin because of complexity and weight. I would really like to see naked small fours. Its something i would definitely want to purchase.

  • @deaiscarlet
    @deaiscarlet Před rokem +5

    My first bike was a yam fzr400. I'm still gutted that I had to let go of that one. Perfect bike for beginners, not a lot of power to surprise you in traffic or just slow touring but when you rev it it goes more than fast enough to give you a kick without the craziness of all these enormous hp-monsters.
    I can't wait for this one if my body allows me to sit on it for longer than 5 minutes.
    My bike now is a husky Norden, and I'm keeping that one for sure

    • @TheOriginalCoda
      @TheOriginalCoda Před rokem

      I had an FZR400 too. Brilliant bikes. Commuted on it, and took it to the track. Smoked a lot of bigger bikes, it's all about keeping the corner speed.

  • @foxhound5699
    @foxhound5699 Před rokem +6

    The Japanese 400cc imports were huge in the 90s here in the UK. Great bikes tbf, you've just got to ride them like a 2 stroke.

    • @billmarsh3767
      @billmarsh3767 Před rokem +2

      Good analogy-hopefully power is a bit more linear than a 2 stroke hand grenade

    • @foxhound5699
      @foxhound5699 Před rokem +2

      @billmarsh3767 they deliver power in the same way as the same configuration of larger bike but you have to readjust your mechanical sympathy and be willing to rev them harder than you would a bigger bike.

    • @billmarsh3767
      @billmarsh3767 Před rokem +1

      @@foxhound5699 Japanese 400cc imports ---- always wanted one but they were unavailable in Canada so I rode English bikes and Ducatis.

    • @ianrudd2668
      @ianrudd2668 Před 9 měsíci

      Well said, I’m in the UK an pre ordered one, was looking at getting another ypvs… an then this came along.. about the same price new as a 30 plus year old LC/YPVS… mid life crisis moment lol 😂

  • @happycamperjack
    @happycamperjack Před rokem +1

    In Canada, 400 cc bikes are the cheapest to insured (mandatory insurance). The difference of going from 400 cc to 1000 is double the insurance. So if you want to save a thousand or 2 in insurance money, this bike is probably the best out there for that!

  • @LordMcKrakenVonLittleBits

    The big head scratcher for me was it's only a grand less than the ZX6 which is a much more balanced track toy that still has a street demeanor for short sprints.

  • @neblolthecarnerd
    @neblolthecarnerd Před rokem +4

    Since I live in the UK with smaller roads the lack of power doesn't really concern me. I'm personally exited because of how wacky it is and how you can likely extend it more than a 600 or 1000 without being in serious trouble whilst still keeping the i4 appeal. Those 250cc 4 cylinders are some of my dream bikes because of that.
    The tiny 4 cylinder idea is definitely impractical and objectively "pointless" however I think it's the charm factor that gives it the chance of being a cult hit with a small dedicated fanbase.

  • @AlucardFeeds
    @AlucardFeeds Před rokem +5

    Hey mate enjoyed the video, however i may have to disagree. I really am excited for this bike. I want to buy it. Being an 80s baby, i miss hearing high reving bikes. But anyway, i think you may be missing another point about this bike. Riding sub 500cc bikes is entirely different than riding larger than 500cc bikes. Its an entirely different approach of maintaining momentum and speed instead of depending on progressive breaks and torque and power to point and shoot. Lets be honest, the point and shoot aspect is what most inexperienced riders do which is why i am assumming more electronic intervention is a requirement from manufacturers. With this bike, it will teach technique more than anything. And this bike would be awesome in hill country texas, pacific coast highway, and the tail of the dragon

  • @JCintheBCC
    @JCintheBCC Před rokem +1

    "There's already a really good, really cheap bike in the marketplace" referring to the R7. While he says that the R7 is cheaper, it lacks some features of the ZX-4RR, namely a bi-directional QS. He mentions you can get a QS for the R7, but only up, and that $200 option alone covers almost half of the price difference from $9200 to $9700

  • @harvardford8752
    @harvardford8752 Před rokem +1

    I'll speak as an automotive enthusiast, not just a rocket junkie/car guy:
    The reason why this makes sense, is the reason why the 911 GT3 makes sense, and why the 8th gen civic sold so well and became a cult classic.
    A lot of people love high revving engines, but don't care about the top speed, stoplight-to-stoplight performance bragging rights.
    Bikes like these are meant to be enjoyed by the rider, and the rider alone.
    if you just want straight line speed, people can just get a turbo'ed STi, or an EVO, etc.
    Not everything rides on specs alone, and I think you know what I mean since you are a Harley guy.
    its about the experience they want, and how these bikes make them feel.
    edit: Also in Canada, the premium for motorcycle insurance DOUBLES after 600cc
    we are veeeeery much excited to get this and have fun with a high revving screaming engine without getting a ticket.
    Been meaning to get the CBR500R as a compromise but with my limited budget, having bought a new car I've been putting it off
    the ZX4R is a very nice compromise in comparison to the CBR. Ive also looked into the Royal Enfield Scrambler but the dealership network here doesn't favour RE.

  • @xy4859
    @xy4859 Před rokem +28

    It's all about the revs, the nostalgia, like a 2 wheel 2 cycle go kart...all about momentum riding and squeezing the throttle, I love it....totally sold! Just chilling at average speed and getting a rush every now and then is cool. Also, no offense but I think you would feel this bike more if you were a bit more on the lighter side of the scale :)

    • @andyzedd3236
      @andyzedd3236 Před rokem

      This is the first explanation that's made any sense to me, but if you can only afford one bike why not just spend the $1k more and get a ZX6r. Seems like this is only for the niche rider who's looking for a toy to zip around on.

    • @puffybodie5282
      @puffybodie5282 Před rokem +1

      @@andyzedd3236 Because ZX-6R is not available here, because 6R is having more crumped seating position, because 6R is not having same instrumetns, because 6R is heavier, because 6R is having higher centrifugal forces from engine making handling worse, becuase 6R has wider tyre, because 6R does not make any sense for regular road riding and trips (as any pure supersport - been there, learned there). And as X Y said, you can turn it up just to 10000 for relaxed ride same way as you will need to turn Ninja 400, YZF-R3 and still having better sound even stock and if you want to go crazy you can rev further.

  • @rider2473
    @rider2473 Před rokem +14

    One thing that not many people are talking about is how damn heavy it is for a 400, like its literally about 3kg HEAVIER than my zx6r. Nice to finally get an honest content creators opinion on it rather than just more hype! Big love from the uk spite! 🇬🇧

    • @sunsinger970
      @sunsinger970 Před rokem

      A 636 is a true race machine, I hope you've taken it to the racetrack where it belongs.

    • @tubejorrit
      @tubejorrit Před rokem +1

      problem is, the difference between a 400 and 600 is only 50cc per cilinder, that is a really small reduction of parts size so also a small reduction to weight. The extra weight is because the 400 has a steel frame and swingarm instead of aluminum.

    • @rider2473
      @rider2473 Před rokem

      @@sunsinger970 desperate to mate need the suit first 😅

    • @rider2473
      @rider2473 Před rokem +1

      @@tubejorrit yea massive oversight considering the price is as high as it is with no aluminium frame or swing arm to justify it.

    • @ThaBootyBandit
      @ThaBootyBandit Před rokem +3

      The added weight along with less torque is going to make already slow bike, even slower.

  • @Funny_bones9
    @Funny_bones9 Před rokem +9

    I live in Japan and there is a baby ZZR600 (ZZR400) and it’s a great bike. This ZX4RR seems like a modern version of it but I wish they stuck to a more “sport touring” frame. But I think it’s an awesome idea for people who still want an I4 without going up in engine size.

    • @mrwho.7163
      @mrwho.7163 Před rokem

      is there a naken 400-500 cc inline 4 ? from kawazaki

    • @victoriazero8869
      @victoriazero8869 Před rokem +1

      @@mrwho.7163 Not yet. And Samuel, I absoutely loathe the changes from old to modern Ninja 400. Old Ninja 400 actually used the same frame as Ninja 650. But this changed from 2018 onward, where New Ninja 400 had the same frame as 250. Ergonomics is absolute garbage in comparison, and I'm willing to take the additional 50 kg weight.

    • @mrwho.7163
      @mrwho.7163 Před rokem

      @@victoriazero8869 this 400 cc is i4 . are you talking with me ? because my question was about naked z version . who is samuel ?

    • @victoriazero8869
      @victoriazero8869 Před rokem +1

      @@mrwho.7163 I'm talking different bike. Ninja 400R used to be a sports touring relatively underpowered behemoth. In fact, it replaced ZZR400 as flagship mid-bike of Kawasaki in 2006, just like Ninja 250R replace ZZR250. Both Ninja 250R and 400R was eventually replaced by Ninja 250 and 400 (Without R notation) with shared chassis in 2018. Ninja 400 also replaced the obsolette Ninja 300 which failed Euro V.
      There was a direct connection, at least in terms of Kawasaki marketing, beyween the ZZR, the Ninja R, Ninjas, and the current ZXR. Each time evolving to be sportier and less comfortable.

    • @Funny_bones9
      @Funny_bones9 Před rokem

      @@victoriazero8869 I completely agree. I had a 400R as my fist bike and it was amazing. The new zx4 is cool but I wish they brought back the old chassis. I’m curious to see if Honda or Yamaha responds.

  • @edugamer950
    @edugamer950 Před rokem +2

    The point is it's fun and makes the right noises. More power makes it a pain to ride on the street as you cannot put the power down without endangering everything and everyone around you.
    This bike aims to be fun, although price seems really steep. It is also a bike that is mostly aimed at the south-east Asian market.

  • @SaaduMia
    @SaaduMia Před rokem +1

    Bro, I’m telling you, this is gonna be the Honda civic of motorcycles. Peppy, screams at speed limit, and you don’t need to take it to track to enjoy its high rpms. I have an R6 and it hits 70mph on second gear if I’m trying to actually accelerate. I’ll be able to go through the gears with this one by the time I get to cruising speed. It makes perfect sense.

  • @lukesdrone4511
    @lukesdrone4511 Před rokem +4

    I don't know if if's the same anywhere in the US, but here in my part of Canada our insurance nearly doubles if the bike has over 500cc displacement, regardless of power output. That's the market this bike is intended for. Edit for clarity - my insurance is nearly $800 CAD / year for a 250, the R7 would cost nearly $1600 CAD / year where I am, for a 5 month riding season.

    • @ThermicLight
      @ThermicLight Před rokem

      I'm sure it's not only defined by CC but by class too.

    • @puffybodie5282
      @puffybodie5282 Před rokem

      Feeling bad for you with 45 CAD / year for my XVZ 1300 Royal Star Venture heh. With other companies it will be double basically no matter of displacement when over 500. Yet I must say...I hope they will stay like that for a long time.

  • @nicholasc1781
    @nicholasc1781 Před rokem +5

    I'm certainly one of the people this type of bike is for. I really like the idea of a tiny inline 4 will all the pieces of a 600/1000 without any of the power. I want the toy version of the bigger bikes. I wish this was a class of bike that was still made. I don't have any aspirations of blinding speed or track days. I just want to goof around on the streets with a high revving bike that isn't going to send me to jail for revving it out in a couple gears.

  • @danrizzotti978
    @danrizzotti978 Před rokem +1

    Seen the ZX4RR in person at Daytona Bike Week in Kawi booth. Super well put together and will be high strung to get that max HO out of it. It's priced way above most bikes in that class or a class above.
    I Just rode the new CFMoto 450ss - that’s in a completely different league and sets the bar super high for other MFG’s in this category at an amazing price. Just rode one at Daytona bike week right after riding the 2023 ninja 400. CFmoto 450 SS has a 270 crank sounds like a GP bike, no vibrations, brembo brakes, 50hp, super slick transmission and slipper clutch, amazing high performance suspension, high quality controls, Color digital dash and super light weight. I was floored how good it is - this is coming from a very experienced rider, has a lot of factory accessories like adjustable rear set and a 2 year warranty to boot.

  • @ReQuiem_2099
    @ReQuiem_2099 Před rokem +2

    The ZX-4RR makes more sense than the majority of liter bikes

  • @theprodigalstranger5259
    @theprodigalstranger5259 Před rokem +4

    I think its stoopid but can't wait to ride one! Its so much fun to wring out a small bike like that. Really want to go through a school zone at 25 mph at 14,000 rpm. Screams fun but that price is a bit high.

    • @puffybodie5282
      @puffybodie5282 Před rokem

      You can't do that with ZX-4R ;-) Maybe with ZX-25R. Why? Because it goes even over 60mph with those light asia drivers. Of course on 1st gear. First 3 are for the crazy fun as 3rd is capable going around 120mph. It's like first half of the gearbox is for fun (and bike is not so quick in acceleration after that 120mph) and second half for when you need practical ride 🙂

    • @Daschickenify
      @Daschickenify Před rokem

      @@puffybodie5282 That's on the Philippines bikes, which come with 15/43 sprockets from the factory, U.S. gets 14/48 standard.

  • @SpartanFore
    @SpartanFore Před rokem +3

    A note on the price: I wouldn't be surprised if the ZX-6R is about to get a new updated version (next year maybe?), which will inevitably raise the price and thus widen the gap between the two. Either that, or the ZX-6R is about to get the axe due to emissions or some other silly thing like that, leaving the ZX-4RR and ZX-10R as the only inline-4 supersport bikes in Kawasaki's lineup.
    Either way, I'm currently in the middle of doing some financial gymnastics so I can get my hands on one ASAP :D

  • @ToxicFlame2014
    @ToxicFlame2014 Před rokem

    What microphone do you use to record your motovlogs? I bought a plug in mic for my go pro but the audio has horrible static/shuffling noise all the time that ruins any good audio

  • @mad082sss
    @mad082sss Před rokem +1

    Most people don't realise how torque works. It isn't like a horsepower curve that starts really low and steadily increases to a point. Torque curves are actually pretty flat. Some will have more of a rise than others, but even at low rpm they will still make about 60 to 80% of their total torque figure. And all you have to do is slip that clutch a little bit and it will still pull away hard. After all, an F1 car only puts out about the same torque as your average 4 cylinder hatchback yet it will accelerate damn hard.

  • @PhilipBeresford
    @PhilipBeresford Před rokem +4

    I'd love to test ride one. It'll be a great back road carver for parts of the world with enforced speed limits. My only concern is the weight; I was hoping it would be closer to the Ninja 400 than the 636

  • @Khmersupra
    @Khmersupra Před rokem +1

    copy n pasted from instagramTo anyone questioning the price:
    -Showa Big Piston separate function inverted forks with preload adjust
    -BFRC lite gas charged rear shock with piggyback reservoir, fully adjustable, in a horizontal back link rear suspension like
    ZX-10R
    -center of gravity, swingarm pivot position, engine axis, caster and other specs all derived from ZX-10RR
    -QS/Autoblip
    -WSBK inspired chassis with trellis frame
    -TFT color dash with smartphone connectivity
    -ABS
    -3 mode TC
    -3 throttle modes
    -Rider individual programmable mode
    - monobloc radial mount front calipers on
    290mm rotors
    -15,000+rpm redline
    -intake ports are two stage machined like
    ZX-10R
    -forged cams
    -triple rate valve springs
    -same ECU platform as Z H2
    -lightweight pistons
    -hardened connecting rods
    -narrow valve angle for compactness
    -slip & assist clutch

  • @joseramrez_
    @joseramrez_ Před rokem

    Was you using rev match on the video when downshifting? Cause i have a Z900 and i dont usually use it, i dont see it neccesary with a slipper clutch right?

  • @Gofr5
    @Gofr5 Před rokem +6

    I love the idea of screaming bloody murder down the road at 12,000 rpm while doing like....50km/hr. That's the beauty of this bike for me, and many others I suspect. Scream around town at the end of first gear without it being an automatic go to jail card. Absolutely excited for it. Definitely have my eyes on it. Though priority right now is probably on a nice ADV/Touring bike, but this one is definitely on there also as a an extra "fun" toy.

  • @Joshandthekingdom
    @Joshandthekingdom Před rokem +3

    I feel like i would buy this bike if it was 7-8k. I would love a bike that you can use all of the power on the street and not go to infinity and beyond but still rev it out to ride out the gears. They kinda priced themselves out though and it doesnt seem worth it now. In 4 years they might be a good find for cheaper. Kinda makes me wonder how that CFMOTO 450sr will do cuz i think that will have my money.

    • @tetralux2798
      @tetralux2798 Před rokem

      The exchange rate puts ZX4R from Canada at about $7500 USD

  • @LogicalQ
    @LogicalQ Před rokem +2

    This is an homage to ICE. 16000 rpm screamer and you can use it all without going to jail… this isn’t a daily, it’s the perfect weekend toy and track day practice machine.

    • @Emfourayone
      @Emfourayone Před rokem

      hey doesnt mean you cant use it as a daily i dailied my 90 cbr250rr till i upgraded to a cb400sf for the fuel injection and vtec

    • @LogicalQ
      @LogicalQ Před rokem

      @@Emfourayone I have plenty of respect for anyone who buys this to daily, but there are undoubtably better options. I think this is Spites point. Why daily a torque deficient small displacement 4 with uncomfortable ergos when you could buy any 650 / twin that is more comfortable and more streetable for less money? Turning ~9000rpm on the highway will get old quick.

  • @shibapatrol801
    @shibapatrol801 Před rokem +1

    I think too many people are overthinking this. Motorcycles don't need to make 'sense' in order to exist or sell. The ZX4RR is a distilled version of their flagship offering at a more reasonable price and power output. Would I love a ZX10R? Sure, but the price tag means I'm gonna need to finance it instead of buying it outright and the power will probably make me not want to daily it. The ZX4RR? Now that's something I can afford to give me that inline-4 sound at a reasonable price and power output.
    If we want to talk as to why? Reality is that outside the US, motorcycles are often taxed according to their engine size and higher capacity engines also usually require additional higher tiered license in order to ride. This is true of Japan where your standard motorcycle license only goes up to 400cc and higher capacity engines can only be ridden and purchased if you pass the more rigorous testing done at the Testing centres.

  • @ragerider6283
    @ragerider6283 Před rokem +3

    I see where you're coming from but respectively disagree. The point is fun lol & revving out an i4 is indeed super fun! I think this'll be awesome but only IF you're in to sports bikes obviously. The reason this is fun is that less is more & you'll be able to use so much more of it on the road than a 1000 obviously but also a 600 too, which is still too much for the road. Better to ride a small bike hard than tiptoe around on a big bike imo. I'm definitely considering it as a future purchase.

  • @kj385
    @kj385 Před rokem +9

    The gearing will keep it from being that slow off the line. I’ve ridden an R3 (smaller parallel twin) and it was still fun. So this 400 should be a hoot.

    • @Digital.Dictator
      @Digital.Dictator Před rokem +4

      Parallel twin and inline 4 are two completely different animals.

  • @jim83213
    @jim83213 Před rokem +1

    The point of the bike in America is not to sell well and make money. It’s to show the other motorcycle companies that they just can’t pull off the same things that Kawasaki can. It’s for the love of motorcycles and competition

  • @MiracleDiving
    @MiracleDiving Před rokem +2

    Some people just love the sound of the in-line 4 but don't want to drive at 150kph to make it sound good like you do on a 600+, that's why the zx25r sold so well in Asia even it was super expensive. Still, the 25r was too small for the US market, this one is at least 400.
    Same for the Japanese market...in Japan 400cc is the limit for the middle class license, this will be the "best" sporty bike you could buy at the moment.

  • @user-ob4kn3rp3j
    @user-ob4kn3rp3j Před rokem +3

    I was excited about it, then I saw the price. Now I'm looking at other bikes. Even tested a cfmoto. Not going to lie, that brand really surprised me.

    • @chrispekel5709
      @chrispekel5709 Před rokem

      The mt800 is a great bike. The 650 range are good but not great bikes. And their smaller bikes are also great bikes for what they are.

    • @chrispekel5709
      @chrispekel5709 Před rokem

      Just a shame their prices jumped considerably to what they were here in aus a few years ago

  • @fullmetalcorgi1350
    @fullmetalcorgi1350 Před rokem +11

    The zx4rr is for people who say they are alpha, but wont tell the server when their order is wrong.

  • @marianandnorbert
    @marianandnorbert Před rokem +1

    what you americans don't realize is pretty much all of europe (which is almost twice the size of the US market) has A1, A2 and A licenses, and the ZX4RR is awesome for an A2 license

  • @SwampCityRadio1974
    @SwampCityRadio1974 Před rokem

    For anyone outside the US whose first contact with sports bikes was small capacity in-line four cylinder screamers, it has a whole lot of nostalgia attached to it. My first ever motorcycle in the mid nineties was the naked Kawasaki four cylinder 250 cc (The Balius) and that bike was one of the nimblest bikes I've owned even now and I've never popped as many wheelies since. The fun part of a small capacity screaming four, as always, is you can ride around with the throttle pinned, rev matching to keep the engine on the boil while not reaching license melting speeds. At the same time, it's zippy enough that you don't have the yawn factor of a low spec, low compression mass produced twin. It makes all sort of sense to those of us who grew up with them. Some of the best days of our lives were lived on those small screaming fours. I rode mine on multi day adventures half way across the Australian continent, in snow and sleet, off road, camped rough, lived on the road for a year, yeah, it makes a whole lot of sense to go back to a small capacity screaming four.

  • @allancrane8446
    @allancrane8446 Před rokem

    Hey Spite, noobie Trini-Canadian R3 rider here (2nd season) who falls into the "would run out and buy" the ninja 400rr (if $ wasn't a concern). Here's why:
    1. 400 ergos are more comfortable for me than larger ccs and I'm interested in the aggressive position/aerodynamics this has compared to R3 or even R7.
    2. Trust (or at least having generous amounts of room for disapointment) in the Kawasaki technology, that the selectable power outputs compensate for my shared torque concerns, which nonetheless, I think will still be a super fun ride for at least the casual enthusiasts/young aspiring pro.
    3. The cult of the Ninja identity, on a more realistically powered vehicle for my comfort as a middle-aged, aspiring track enthusiasts. I dont have much 600 or 700 experience yet, but with point #2 in mind, I'd be interested in the battle between the classes and would be willing to bet on the good rider on the top end bike (like the Motogp Ducatis).
    4. The real competator for my $ will be the rs660 but the 400rr may just edge out as aprilla dealers, warranties and parts just arnt as "userfriendly" as Kawasaki, at least in the stories I've heard.
    5. Like we witnessed the generation of Harley riders dwindle, I think the generation of mindlessly overpowered sports bike riders is also dwindling (case and point, papa yams H2 experience) with consumers receiving more perceived value with the standard technology offered. For eg, the bluetooth connectivity alone my be the deciding factor for a young rider who highly values maximizing his/her UX and integration.
    Overall, I think diversity of options in the classes especially in established brands is welcoming. The North American capatilistic markets have room for trying new ideas with a new generation of riders including more females, and riders who have increased access to tracks where this vehicle is being marketed to and considerable spending power.
    Thanks for the videos, Spite and Yami.

  • @stamdar1
    @stamdar1 Před rokem +1

    If you're the kind of person who likes race bikes, wants to ride track, want to be full tucked on a full fairing bike, what's the best motorcycle to get as your first bike? So You can get a Aprilia 660, but if you don't work on bikes or live in an apartment/don't have the room, etc, you need a shop nearby to work on the bike. Good luck finding an Aprillia tech anywhere in the US outside of major cities. so the 660 (along with most euro options) is out of the question for most new US riders. GSXR600 and R6 are both discontinued, could get a ninja 636, but 600s aren't exactly the safest beginner bikes... So theres the R7, but most ppl I know that are into racing and want a "race bike" want that high RPM screamer. the R7's CP2 sounds like a sewing machine stock, and like an abused V twin with aftermarket pipes. I think the new ninja 4 does fill a very niche area for the beginner market

  • @OmegaxPrime
    @OmegaxPrime Před rokem

    Spite my guy you’re looking at this from a torque riders perspective. Imagine carving a corner with the throttle pinned at 9k rpm, you’ve still got 10k of headspace and the engine just came on cam. The sensation and the sound will be glorious all while barely cracking 70 mph

  • @conorallen100
    @conorallen100 Před rokem +8

    Gonna be honest small displacement 4 cylinders are my favourite things ever and I think this would be an amazingly fun second or third bike in someone's garage, plus the market for this is gonna be for people who want power up high and a low torque engine that needs the crap rev'd out of it, given the death of 600 these lower cc bikes might be the future for super sports

  • @benchaggaresmusic
    @benchaggaresmusic Před rokem +2

    It makes sense for young riders who can't afford the insurance of a 600

  • @stephencavanaugh8377
    @stephencavanaugh8377 Před rokem +1

    With all due respect, your channel is fairly specific and more "mature" than many of the others. There are a ton of channels that would heavily promote this kind of bike and that may be what's driving the pre-sales. I don't disagree that it doesn't make sense, but that's you and me and maybe a large portion of your viewership, but we're not the only riders out there.

  • @michaelfinck6945
    @michaelfinck6945 Před rokem +1

    @ Spite : Thank you for sharing your thoughts of the ZX4RR.
    Well as I live in Germany I only can talk about the sense of this motorcycle in Europe.
    And I have to say the ZX4RR makes much sense (a Z 400 RS would even make more sense), for various reasons:
    All inline 4 bikes earn top spots in the 2022 top 50 (over 48 hp) overall sales. We have:
    Z900 on 2 / Z 900 RS on 16, CB 650 R on 8 / CBR 650 R on 22, GSX S 1000 on 13, S 1000 R on 15, the list goes on.
    And we have begun to celebrate the last hurray of the combustion engine.
    Yes you can celebrate perfectly on a parallel twin like the CP2 or the 750 cc of the new Hornet and still get differant tastes.
    But what first comes to mind when we think about a typical motorcycle engine is a v twin or an inline 4.
    Of course the ZX4RR is for riders who want to engage. Who thrive to shift, the more often the better, yeah, and with the quickshifter auto blipping and reving the s*** out of the inline 4 and still being able to ride around the speed limits - sounds fun to me.
    When it comes to just flowing with the traffic the engine for sure will be strong enough ridden lazy.
    The ZX might primarily attract younger riders.
    We'll see a Z 400 RS, I'm pretty sure.

  • @Jonj57
    @Jonj57 Před rokem +1

    The thing I don't get is I ride year round and everytime I see people "having fun" on bikes they aren't doing 0-60 runs then gradually joining traffic. They're doing 0-max speed runs or 0 to "I'm too afraid to go faster" runs. They do wheelies with clutch ups, not pure torque. I mean ffs people tell me my CBR1000rr doesn't "make torque" despite it basically having twice the torque as an R7 in basically the entire rev range which is per every youtuber "a torque monster".
    I wish people (not just youtubers) would look at how they ride and review shit based on reality instead of some bullshit they guessed because they read a spec sheet.

  • @killerkrab42
    @killerkrab42 Před rokem +1

    The way that I see it is this is a race ready track bike that can be more fun for most people than what's already available. Yes, you can buy the faster zx6r for a bit more, but that's exactly what it is, faster. It's more fun to ride a slower bike fast than a faster bike slow, and there are very few people on this planet who can actually get the most out of a 600 on the track. Being able to wring out the gears and not have to worry about breaking the law or outriding your ability on the track seems pretty appealing to me.

  • @skie2fly69
    @skie2fly69 Před rokem +1

    I'm loving this idea. I got onto an r3 two summers ago and rode the piss out of it. At the time all the other manufacturers switched their 300's out to 400s. I grew out of the r3 and replaced with it my BMW R1250R. Big jump, but I dad mode the BMW. Imiss the r3, but I love the idea of this zingy little ZX4RR. Kinda wish it was my first bike, yeah, torque matters, but since the power is so high in the Rev range, I think this would be a great starter street bike for those with self conttol, ie, keep it under 10 or 11 thousand rpms, and once you're comfortable zip it up into tbose higher rpms a month or three later. Too much torque on a lightweight sport bike, like all these amazing parallel twins have, with a sitting on top of it seating postions, can make most newbies feel like they might fly off the back of the bike, cause no one taught them to grip the bike with their knees to stay where they belong. I want to get that ZX4RR for the simple joy of that classic inline sound, ripping through those revs without doing felony speeds just to hear those piston rings scream...hahaha

  • @crash5811
    @crash5811 Před rokem +2

    It is so much more exciting to ride a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow. My zx14r is triple digits if u even look at the throttle funny. I really want a zx4rr for a track bike. 3 hrs each way to the nearest track but its worth it

  • @matsete1427
    @matsete1427 Před rokem +2

    i think it's perfect for small people like me who like a 4 cylinder bike for the sound. also if i want a full blood screaming sportbike but dont want it to be too expensive like the liter sportbikes because it will only be used for short rides, this makes sense for me. in short if you want a cheaper zx6r, this could be it.

  • @ScoutsOut
    @ScoutsOut Před rokem +1

    I've always wanted a small cc ripper for the streets that you can run through a bunch of gears ever since the cbr250rr that never made it to America, to me there is just so much fun and experience to be gained from little bikes like this... for track riding anyway. I'm excited and will definitely get one.

  • @ricsim78
    @ricsim78 Před rokem +2

    The biggest issue with the ZX4RR is the price! When I found out it is going to retail for around $9699 here in the United States, it is a little crazy. Considering for $1000 more, you can get the Ninja 636. The other issue is curb weight is nearly as high as the 636 as well. I am still very interested in it, because I love my Ninja 400 and I am sure it would be a true blast to ride. I will stick with my Ninja 400 for another year or two.

    • @hokogan
      @hokogan Před 5 měsíci +1

      Something to keep in mind is the curb weight isn’t far off from the early 90s heydays of the 400/4, and the crank inertia will make it *feel* lighter than a 600.

  • @andrewgagner2927
    @andrewgagner2927 Před rokem +1

    I had an FZR400 back in the 90s; was my second bike. In terms of both stupid fun and stupidly impractical, it stood right up there with my CJ-5..... still wish I had both though.

  • @gressshap8200
    @gressshap8200 Před rokem +1

    This bike is fantastic news…. having a real world bike you can rev so high is what we want….. leave that torque nonsense to old blokes who dream of their bike being an automatic. Live a little and enjoy life

  • @quanwick4516
    @quanwick4516 Před rokem +1

    ZX6R's 1st gear reaches 75mph while the ZX4RR will be screaming at 45mph. The ZX4RR will be much more fun without breaking laws with much cheaper insurances and tires.

  • @Stryker2279
    @Stryker2279 Před rokem

    Hey spite, loved the video. I wanted to give my own perspective: when I bought my second bike I intended to get the cbr650r, because it had all the features I wanted, but the dealership convinced me onto the zx6r. Extra 800 bucks, came with a slipper clutch and quickshifter. Plus, it added a ton of power. I was sold, and got it. 9 months in, I crashed that thing at over 150 mph, got heliflighted to the nearest hospital with 10 broken bones and a brain bleed, in spite of full gear and a top tier helmet. I plan to ride again, and when I do it'll be on a zx4rr, because even though the r7 is similar in price, I love the 4cyl sound, and I'm not gonna get a bike that'll put me in a pine box. If I was going 120 as opposed to 150+ I'd have been fine, worst case scenario I wouldn't have had a 40k flight bill. I'll be paying for the "I physically can't go fast enough to make an unscheduled trip to the pearly gates if I'm doing stupid shit" along with all the pluses of the wonderful soundtrack and modern tech.

  • @DR-hw9js
    @DR-hw9js Před rokem +1

    I'm extremely excited for this bike.....this is a MUST HAVE for me. To be brutally honest this would probably replace my 636 as a Daily during the week. I would use the 636 on the weekends.
    This is a Dream come TRUE!!!

  • @filipesaul8435
    @filipesaul8435 Před rokem +1

    The point of the zx4r is the inline 4. The reason you would buy a zx4r instead of a ninja 400 is mainly for the fun factor of making it scream in the track, or the road. The reason you would buy a zx4r instead of a r7 is, again, the inline 4. If you only look at the specs/price/displacement, sure, you would anything but a zx4r. But the zx4r is a passion purchase, not a logic one. That is why you would buy a ducati or a bmw or a triumph instead of any japanese brand. The inline 4 is the main selling point, and kawasaki added all the tech and features to make it more high end.

  • @averybarrett6263
    @averybarrett6263 Před rokem

    as someone who's owned a 93 zx2r and 3 MC22's, and missed out on the 400cc inline 4's of that time, you've got no idea how goddamn fun these are.

  • @BiffBallbag
    @BiffBallbag Před rokem +1

    It only doesn't make sense to those who don't understand what this bike truly is, a motorcycle nerds dream.

  • @luisdetomaso867
    @luisdetomaso867 Před rokem +1

    16,000rpm. 4 cylinders. For those who understand, no explanation is needed

  • @MrJoelibear
    @MrJoelibear Před rokem +2

    I will be purchasing the ZX-4RR 100000%. I currently own a 2009 Yamaha R1 and a 2022 Husqvarna Svartpilen 401.
    I live in Australia and have a tonne of good roads but the R1 is extreme overkill and i find 400c single/duals to be underkill. I have tried the R7 and its very good but I hate the sound. I used to have a CBR250RR which is very similar to the ZX4RR. I need this bike!!

  • @_Napoletano_
    @_Napoletano_ Před rokem

    I worked at a port for years loading coal on huge cargo vessels. A lot of the vessels used kawasaki diesel motors. Those motors are monstrous.

  • @everettbranscom6536
    @everettbranscom6536 Před rokem +1

    It makes perfect sense. Eighteen to twenty-five year olds that one in line four screamer this is their only option if they have to pay full coverage insurance and it's about the perfect spot between 400cc twins and 600s. I get at least one kid a week that can afford a super sports payment but not the crazy high full coverage insurance. This is the bike for them.