Are Haaland and Mbappe the new Messi and Ronaldo?
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No sooner has the era of Cristiano Ronaldo and Lionel Messi drawn to an end, with their unprecedented hold on the Ballon dâOr now finally released, than a new duopoly appears to have emerged, set to dominate football for years to come.
But is it the same: Can Erling Haaland and Kylian Mbappe really be the new Messi and Ronaldo?
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#Haaland #Mbappe - Sport
What differentiates Messi and Ronaldo from the rest of the great players is their longevity and consistency. Being the best in the world for over 15 years is commendable. I feel Haaland and Mbappe are great players and currently the best, but for them to reach the levels of Messi and Ronaldo, they need to show this consistency for the next 10 years.
They were the best for about 10 years (07-18/19) not 15 but whatever
@@1998Cebola one of the best since 15 years muppet
@@thewolverine7516 Nah, Modric is better than both of them.
@@1998Cebola your timeline of 07-18 is 12 yearsâŠ
No Mason mount is the best
I feel like the only way it can go beyond a rivalry propped up by the media is if Mbappe goes to Man United or they both go to real/barca. They need to be part of a larger club rivalry
Yeah or at least be in the same big league. Mbappe is great and all but no one's going to take him seriously if he plays in Ligue 1
Replacing Ronaldo with Mbappe in Manchester United isn't a scenario many would dream of. But it would certainly be exciting to see Mbappe go against Haaland more frequently.
Haaland to Barca would be interesting
Hahaha. You're all see-through
lol what makes you think he will go to MU?
I can picture an alternate universe where messi and ronaldo were part of different generations and people wondered "Imagine if they played against each other, who would be best?" I'm very lucky to have been part of this reality
Imagine if that was the case Ronaldo and Messi would have 10+ ballon d'or
Great way to frame how blessed we are to have witnessed goats in their prime.
And the funny part is, even though they both played simultaneously in this reality, people still canât agree on a winner đč
@@bryanguillen9167 Messi winning the WC could seal it.
@@Frankcohle I hope it doesn't happen
Mbappe reminds me of Thierry Henry more than anyboday else. Haaland is more like a mixture between C.Ronaldo and Zlatan I guess ? Messi is on his own level in my opinion and so far we haven't seen anyone like him.
Shut up
I agree that he was one of a kind. And I am starting to come around to the fact that he's slightly (very slightly) better than Ronaldo, but that doesn't mean Haaland can't exceed. All they do in their own ways is great and all, but what matters is scoring and winning. If Haaland can get Man City the treble (or equivalent in EPL) while being top scorer in the world, it's not that vital if he can dribble like Messi can. He has his own talents.
@@pascal9055 Ronaldo should have gone to an easier league to finish off his career, the past year and a half have slightly ruined his legacy.
agree
that's why he is Special!
Both mbappe and Haaland seem to be copies of only Ronaldo tbh, but like dividing Ronaldoâs qualities between each other and putting them into overdrive. Messiâs ability to dribble hasnât been replicated in anyone besides a few where they werenât nearly able to excel at the other things Messi was able to do at a young age
Haaland Mbappe are too similar to call them as rivals but they are nowhere near Ronaldo. These 2 goats can never be repeated.
True bro. I think we will never see another player like Messi in our life time.
@@kwekabaw99 Bernardo Silva plays like Messi minus his high skill level,creativity and goalscoring ability
@@LoftusBlake Obviously, that's because it requires a low point of gravity in order to dribble with the swerving, quick change of pace and acceleration style that the likes of Messi, Sebastian Giovinco or Mathieu Valbuena possess.
@@LoftusBlake Bernardo Silva is definitely a good example of someone who has the dribbling ability to match Messi, but then he lacks in almost everything else compared to Messi
We will never see another Messi & CR7 in our lifetime. Theyâre both in a different galaxy.
Have you seen what haaland has been doing?
How do you know that in 50 years that it Will not happen
I dunno about you, but I hope that I will live long enough to see players better than Messi & Ronaldo because believe me, it will happen, it is inevitable. It is a matter of when not if players better than them will rise
Haaland might be a new Ronaldo in the way heâs a great striker, but Messi is something else! We Donât have another Modric or De Bruyne, let alone Messi!
@@ObeseGorilla229 he literally is in 3 home games he got 9 ?
I feel like the rivalry between Ronaldo and Messi happens only once in a lifetime
yeah. they were out of this world in their prime
Believe it or not, we lived through the best era of football. Never we have seen the sheer intensity and rivalry in one era before the messaldo era. It was something to cherish for a football fan.
lol no they were amazing players in every gen wth is this statement todya we have kvara the goergian player mbeppe halland ounahi from morocco
@@MARMAR-xw6gj they arent on ronaldo or messi's level. the closest one is mbappe for sure. he showed that he is the best player atm during the world cup
@@MARMAR-xw6gj not really the El Clasico messi/Ronaldo era is unparalleled i stil remember the time when they both went to semifinals in UCL but lost then Chelsea won finals gud times or when Dortmund with klopp dominated or mourinho Madrids dramatic time truly the best era
@@MARMAR-xw6gj Ounahi đ€Ąđ€Ąđ€Ą
That's just bias, none of us can know what will happen 50 years from now or how good football was 50 years agoâŠ
Messi and C.Ronaldo were so insane for such a sustained period of time that you couldnÂŽt measure them by "feel" anymore, and had to bring stats into the room. Before them the "best" players rarely were the "best" stats wise, I feel thatÂŽw why we focus so much on forwards nowdays, even over more creative midfield players whose assists make it possible for those forwards to score so many goals in the first place.
Interesting, good point
Even fullbacks nowadays to as well
Kevin Debruyne is a good example of what you're talking about. I'd say almost half the time watching Man C especially early In the season he's was a bigger difference maker than Haaland offensively in that he developed so many chances. Halaand is obviously great at finishing but creating chances is also crucial to the game.
@@kevinkanzler495 yea haaland maybe isnât even the best player on his team and you can say the same for mbappe
tho id edge mbappe but this is probably prime mbappe and old messi lol
@@peterenis3507 this is not probably prime mbappe what
An additional point is that during the early 10s, Spanish football / la Liga was arguably the strongest league, adding to their rivalry.
Weâll see more Ronaldo duplicates than weâll ever see Messi duplicates. Messi is truly part of a class of Footballers that we donât see that often perfom at such a high level for a very long time. Ronaldo is a Phenom no doubt about that but Messi is beyond that his vision and understanding of the game goes beyond just scoring goals
Messi is a duplicate of Aimar.
@@iwantgoals1566 but better than original copy...
Messi has Natural Talent. That's normal.
@Modric X Ronaldinho X zidane Messi play nothing like R9 and Ronaldinho, Messi play like Maradonna, Zico, Platini, Hazard or Ben Arfa, they donât use a lot of skills, just close ball control, they play simple and effective, they are small with a low center of gravity and great balance and they are great passer with great vision and a high IQ, itâs Ronaldo, Neymar and Mbappe who play like R9, Ronaldinho, Robinho ect they usea lot of skills like step over, elastico, chop, Rabona, Roulette ect, they are more athletic, bigger, faster, stronger ect and they use their weak foot and head more.
No one said a duplicate cant surpass the original or be than something original
The Mbappe-Haaland rivalry won't be the same as none of them is a dribbler and once the pace fizzles out then there is nothing to go on. TBH Messi is the one because of whom the rivalry existed in the first place for so long. Ronaldo was the only one who could keep up with him. But you can see that Ronaldo fizzed out once he aged. And.. Messi is still doing wonders at 35.
True he lost his physicality and kinda just dropped
true as a Ronaldo fan I admit Messi is better now since Ronaldo mostly relies on his pace which is the most important thing in his playstyle but with age that goes away. But they are both still the goats
@@sansan445 I mean Ronaldo is turning 38, Messi is 35
@@willywestsidee true but ronaldo is still good but watch when messi turns 38 and you would see how different he would pmay
@@sansan445 Yeah I agree, I'm a Ronaldo fan
The Messi/Ronaldo debate has its origins from the Barca/Madrid days. I think having a long term club rivalry with two superstars contributes to that. In a similar sense, Arsenal and Unitedâs rivalry strengthened because of Vieira/Keane.
No es asĂ, la rivalidad entre Messi y Cristiano ya era muy intensa cuando Ronaldo jugaba en el united. Obviamente cuando Ronaldo paso al Madrid tomo otra dimensiĂłn, pero ya se hablaba mucho de su rivalidad cuando cristiano estaba en united.
Their rivalry actually began when United faced Barca in the CL
Nah the debate has been there since atleast 07/08
And north south divide. 2 biggest cities in England
Nah it started in the 2009 Champions League final. The season before Ronaldo was the Ballon dâor and Champions league winner and Messi took the crown from him. Thats where it all started.
I don't know about them being "the new Messi and Ronaldo." I get that they're both elite tier in their positions and easily comparable, but there were several factors that made Messi vs Ronaldo so exciting:
1. Easily #1 reason that made Messi vs Ronaldo exciting was the fact that while they both were extremely productive in terms of goals and direct assists, they also had very different playing styles in order to achieve them. Always interesting to see the results of different styles (Winger/False 9/Central Roaming/playmaking/dribbling vs Winger/Striker/"fox in the box"/tall/extremely athletic). On the other hand, Mbappe and Haaland, while differing somewhat, are at the end of the day both athletic strikers/poaching forwards that drift wide here and there.
2. Messi and Ronaldo played in a club rivalry and not just any, but arguably the most famous club rivalry in FCB vs Real Madrid. PSG vs Man City has never been a historic or even contemporary rivalry. This can, of course, change in the future if Haaland and Mbappe move clubs but for now this is how it stands
3. The overal skill-set of Messi and Ronaldo, so far, haven't been displayed by Haaland and Mbappe. Neither Mbappe nor Haaland have the free kick abilities of Messi/Ronaldo. They also don't have as elite of dribbling ability of Messi/Young Ronaldo (although Mbappe is pretty great on the ball in fast attacking situations to his credit). Neither of them can match Cristiano's overall prime athleticism and neither of them can even touch Messi's playmaking.
4. It doesn't really matter where you stand in Messi vs Ronaldo in terms of who's a better player. There's no denying in terms of pure career achievement, they are both equal. You can easily make the case for either. Comparable # of UCL+league titles, comparable # of national titles, comparable # of individual titles, etc, regardless of who you think was the "better player." We'll have to see if Mbappe vs Haaland will also showcase this back-and-forth winning of collective/individual trophies or if one will win more trophies by a landslide than the other
To me it's art vs power. Elegance vs efficiency. How I see it as an artist Messi achieved more than CR7's power. Messi did it beautifully. People forget that he has the most golden boots. Something you'd assume Ronaldo would have more of given his headlining antics in front of goal.
Spot on
@@ux1-15 Ronaldoâs bicycle against juve is far more âbeautifulâ and impressive than any goal messi has scored but hey you do you
Did u just call Mbappe a striker
@@Bungycb vs Athletic Bilbao? Ankara Messi? Chip against Betis? Lobbed free-kicks? Wembley against United? Chipping the German wall? Free-kick against Allison?
People forget how good Messi was at Haaland/Mbappes age. Haaland is totally different player though and hes just the best at being an out and out finisher that needs a lot of service. Messi could do anything on his own (Creating/Finishing/Setting others up)
Agree đŻ to me Messi and Ronaldo are legends it's gonna be hard to replicate their legacy however it would be cool to have another Messi Ronaldo esque type rivalry I think Mbappe and Halaand motivate each other to be better
Could you please do a video explaining how Messi constantly has high player ratings in every match despite not always scoring/assisting? Would be interesting to see how much he's changed and adapted since he first arrived at PSG
It's BC of one football if i didn't tell the wrong app. That give shut high ratings. And it are a group of people who put those rating at the moment the match end. There are also other who give other rating still messi has the best overall rating but there was one last match where ronaldo didn't scored and even assisted and played decent/good where he got a 2.7rating. Where at all the other match ratings where 8.1, 7.4, 7.6 so those ratings doesn't always tells the full story. Thank you
@@theodoricboahen8709 They paint a picture. Messi has consistent high ratings despite not scoring whereas Cristianoâs ratting plummets in matches where he doesnât score.
He takes a lot of touches and these apps reward touches a lot in their algos
I remember seeing bad ratings when he didnât score/assist during last season.
I think this season thereâs not much to criticize, heâs been playing great.
The things he does on pitch,i got to witness his greatness live once.he literally controlled the match.maybe that's why
Another thing that could contribute to the Messi vs Ronaldo debate us the South America Vs Europe. I believe that plays a significant role in the development of their rivalry, but won' be captured in Haaland and Mbappe one
I don't think that was relevant. The Real Madrid vs Barcelona rivalry, however, was a key factor in my opinion. That also brought us the opportunity to see them play against each other very often, and they were competing for the same competitions every year what contributed to enhance the rivalry between them.
i don't think anyone ever thought of their rivalry as SA vs EU. Even by a little.
Why not ? Almost whole of europe dont like france
As a Brazilian I thought a lot about Messi being from SA and Ronaldo being from Europe, and know Argentinians who do too. Get out of your euro-bubble
Nordic vs Western Europe
I feel like Vinicius Jr. is going to have a say in this big time. That guy is phenomenal plus all the pressure and criticism he faced earlier have only made him that much stronger.
Don't forget vlahovic...
And leao...
@@Gnashercide calm down with the italian bias đ
@@Gnashercide đ
@@Gnashercide lol
There will never be another Messi/Ronaldo ever. We were incredibly lucky to witness it.
There will be itâs just a matter of when, maybe not in our lifetime but there definitely will be another rivalry
another unique quality of the Messi-Ronaldo era is that their heritages share a romance language and their countries are football obsessed with championship pedigree (Copa America and Euro Cup), just like France. Norway is still climbing towards football excellence. Haaland is amazing and will go down as the greatest Scandinavian footballer EVER.
Portugal has only very recently (EURO 2016) stepped into that pedigree. Before that, they were very much viewed as consistent underperformers. It was through CR7 that Portugal got to a EURO's final and were able to join the pantheon of European champions.
@@john-gregorysierra8875 Damn , imagine if haaland can bring Norway became euro champion
@@john-gregorysierra8875 And whats sad is, Portugal had an absolutely amazing team this WC, with the likes of Ronaldo, Rafael Leao, Joao Cancelo, Bruno Fernandes, Pepe, etc... But in the next world cup, almost all of those players will either be very bad and old or retired. Joao Cancelo is by far the best full back right now and he did very good in the WC, but he is 28. He will be 32 in the next WC. He might continue playing, but I assure you he wont be as good as he is now. It really is sad.
This was most likely Portugal's last chance to ever even get to the finals, let alone win the WC. it's the best team Portugal has seen in years.
@@jakenooby ronaldo is not an amazing player now lmaoo man was getting benched
One thing I find hard to match when it comes to Messi and Ronaldo rivalry is their difference in style. Messi likes to construct to himself and his teammates far away from goal, while Ronaldo prefers to have the ball delivered to him when he's close to the goal; Messi favorite way of scoring is by letting the opposing run to the defense while he comes from behind in direction of goal, Ronaldo's is to be close to it, let the opposition gets close to it the goal and then and distance himself from the goal to score; Messi atracts pressure, while Ronaldo get rid of it....
Mbappe and Haaland won't be as interesting as Ronaldo and Messi because they way of playing have many things alike
agree
Damn it's almost like they play different positions
Only difference is everyone knew messi was great but no one ever thought Ronaldo will achieve this greatness
Currently? Yes. Ronaldo prime wasnât just a poacher like now tho
Ronaldo is literally top 4 all time in assists that âpoacherâ narrative is a myth
People don't realise, messi and ronaldo are much more than just goals and assists, they are a team in themselves. Elite professionals. I don't see anyone coming close to them
But i see
I think haaland is much better physically than ronaldo and messi . He also has a lot more stamina than both. There are certain things haaland can do that messi and ronaldo can't . Although I do agree messi and ronaldo are better in the long run ....but we should respect the players of the new generation
@Ajay Yeah obviously...they are both wingers which is a position that requires such high skill... but Haaland is a brute center forward and he going to outscore ronaldo and messi...he is much better than ronaldo physically and is also much better at taking chances from assists when they come . I am not saying haaland is better than them...but he is definately a player as fun to watch because of his unreal goal scoring ratio .
Agree đŻ they're legends
Haaland-Mbappe can most certainly be that new rivalry at the top of the game. However, Messi and Ronaldo's scoring numbers and utter domination of the game is likely to be unmatched. There are a lot more players in their early 20s who are closer to Mbappe and Haaland than anyone was to Messi and Ronaldo.
The contrast between Messi's Elegance and Ronaldo's Brute force is something that doesn't exist in the Mbappe Haaland discussion because Mbappe gives off pre 2010 Ronaldo vibes while Haaland gives of Post 2016 Ronaldo vibes. Well it hard to copy Messi so it's more like comparing two different versions of CR7
well said
Weird take. Both donât compare to Ronaldo in some ways but they exceed him in others.
@@heversantos7006 read it again you'll understand where you misunderstood
It's not that it's hard to copy Messi in this case, it's just both of mbappe and halland don't play like Messi and have their own characteristics of play
If we want to add in comparison with Messi, it should be players with the same characteristics of play like Bernardo Silva
@@antoinne3694 so Bernardo Silva is comparable to Messi, interesting
I don't think we will have the same level of rivalry we had for Messi and Cr7. I mean think about it, they competed with each other in biggest club rivalry, personal records and trophies, international stage, such rivalry for 10+ years was a treat for all of us
As a 20 years Barcelona fan, I have enjoyed watching these 2 GOATS, and I am not that particular type of fan who hypes only Messi, even though I strongly believe that, out of the two of them, Messi is the better GOAT in every way, shape or form
! However, let's not forget that Ronaldo only has a low start of the season. People tend to forget the way he carried United last year! Messi had an under standard season with PSG last year top to bottom! Yes, everyone sung his retirement song last year on all social media platforms, and now he is showing he is not finished yet! Coming back to CR7, if there is one player that can turn this around, that is him! Too much hate on both of these players, and regardless if you are a Barcaâ€ïž fan, or a Madrid fan, or a football fan as matter of fact, we should all be grateful that we were lucky enough to witness the greatness of the 2 giants! I don't believe there is going to be another such duo, with such a hunger for trophies and records. The new wave is prioritizing money over performance ( see Mbappeâs case ), hence the reason why I genuinely believe the new gen won't be anywhere close to Messi or Ronaldo!
Letâs enjoy them while they still last because the sunset is near!
Modric is better than both Ronaldo and Messi. It just keeps getting more and more clear as they all age.
đđ you donât know ball
@@dumbdumber7203 your name defines you đđđŸ
@@dumbdumber7203 Messi is a better midefielder than modric
Mason Mount and jorginho best
I think Haaland & Mbappe can break Messi / Ronaldo records, but the thrill of watching them play won't be the same based on their play styles. Messi / Ronaldo were often breathtaking to watch, still to this day.
Halland easily will break numbers in terms of goals for sure
@@jaymehta4592 Haaland will need over 15 years more of averaging over 40 goals per season. That's not easy
@@jaymehta4592 lol haaland needs to score 40 goals a season for the upcoming FIFTEEN YEARS to have the same amount of goals as cristiano. wouldnt suprise me if he does it for a couple seasons but 40 goals for 15 years straight is impossible
@@jaymehta4592 I'm impressed with halland but cr7 and messi did what he's doing at barca and real for almost every year. Cr7 18 goals in his 2014-15 season in just 10 games and he didn't score below 60 goals every season at real and Messi do u think haaland can break messi's 91 goals record? đ
WHILE TALKING ABOUT MESSI AND CR7 PEOPLE OFTEN LEAVE OUT ONE IMPORTANT THING "C O N S I S T E N C Y"
@@matheus5230 Messi and Ronaldo have averaged 50 goals per season for more than 10 year, so i think it is "something to scoff about", assuming he will even do that
Men rise and fall like the winter wheat, but these names shall NEVER DIE......
Let them say we lived in the time of LM10, let them say we lived in the time of CR7!! đđđ
For me, Mbappe is the new Henry and Haland the new Zlatan. All of these players, including CR7 depend a lot on their physical quality, while Messi is another type of player in my eyes. I dont think we will see another Messi, at least not in the next 50 years or so.
Waffling
Agree 100%, Messi is born better, wired differently, a problem-solver and spot challenges and solve it before anyone realizes there was even one. He has an eye for detail just look at his assists, he knows when to release the balls, the way he picks his defense split-passes, it's unreal how knowledgeable he is about the game of football, like I said....HE IS WIRED DIFFERENTLY.
@@lokiodinson6018 Then state your own opinions instead of throwing meaningless words.
@@moganaperseus7912 And there u go again waffling.
We will definitely see another Messi.
I hope so, if they have the longevity of Messi/Cr7 then we are in for a treat. I never thought we'd ever have anyone on those guys level again, they'll have to keep this form up for years, which is crazy
haaland mbappe will be a rivalry more in stats. messi and ronaldo in their prime, (messi even now) were heavily involved in a football game. imagine man city are trailing in a game, haaland will barely make a couple of touches with most of the build up work being done by the midfield or wingers. not discrediting him, but for a fan to truly fall in love with a player, the player needs to be involved much in a game. there is a reason why top strikers like benzema, lewandowski, suarez, phenomenal as they are, really dont have a big fanbase. for a rivalry, you need to have a big fandom first of all. i could see mbappe having that but haaland hardly participates in the game. messi and ronaldo were really one of a kind and people still take this for granted.
Messi was pure art the way he dribbled making defenders to do the split, Ronaldo quick feet works and thunderous strikes those were things that brought excitement and made the comparison even more fierce like you could show clips of them to someone who knew nothing about football and they would immediately follow any of the two even without them wanting anything to do with football. Tell me, can someone be persuaded to watch football when you show them Halaand or Mbappe's clips? They are not amazing and they are not just extraordinary like LM10 and CR7.
true, messi and ronaldo had huge factors in making them so popular. it is without a doubt that messi is a better footballer, but ronaldo was the showy flashy player right from his bolton debut. messi is football personified, he is so complete. people wouldve known from day one that he would become the greatest if not for injuries and poor mentality. in the case of ronaldo, he was raw initially but he had that flair. he developed his own unique style of running and revolutionised the role of a winger in english football. his fancy flicks, special knuckleball free kick technique, that free kick stance and so on had a huge effect on the young english audience. he had a swagger about him which appealed him to the fans. then he went on to join madrid and so both of them found each other on the opposite fence of the most intense club rivalry. everything went right in this rivalry. both were remarkably different yet being hardworking talented and extremely focused. one was quite and non-reactive while the other was loud pompous. having one person being arrogant and cocky really helps grow a rivalry. i dont see that with haaland and mbappe, and they need to be in the same league for a rivalry to truly develop
There would never be another like the era of Ronaldo and Messi; a rivalry that would stay unmatched for decades.
There will never be another rivalry like this one. Blessed to have lived to see it from beginning to now the end.
I hope we get to see a brilliant rivalry in years to come.
But whatever happens, this was special.
Messi a freaking magician when he dribbles pass defenders, Ronaldo is a freaking game changer when it comes to important games. Both play styles are unchangeable
Leave old times to old times we watched the 1st and 2nd (arguably) greatest players battle each other for so long I donât think itâll duplicated in the same way for decades.
I do hope tifo will bring back more unheard stories from old days football & more football journalism lile the times before the join the athleticđ
The thing with CR7 and Messi is they did symbolize a new era for football born at the end of the 2000'. A football with longer careers and more goals and games.
What Messi and CR7 did, some players already did it in my opinion : Ronaldo, Van Basten, Maradonna, Platini, Di Baggio, etc. but they were living during eras were careers were shorter. Almost all of them got injured severly during their golden age.
To give an example, when Zidane played the 2006 world cup at the age of 34 y.o., people were amazed by his level for his age, it was exceptional for the standards of that time but today, half the superstars have their best years around that age (Benzema, Modric, Lewandowski, etc.).
Also, just look at the ranking of strikers. During the 90' and 2000', the best scorers were rarely above 30 goals per year. Today, there are some kids who can reach that mark mid-season.
For example, in 2004/2005, the top scorer was Thierry Henry with 30 goals. When Messi beat the record with 73 goals in 2011/2012, there were 11 others players who reach the 30 goals mark. So except if you think that Soldado, Gomis or Nene are better strikers than Thierry Henry, Shevchenko, Etoo or Ronaldo, the most reasonable conclusion is simply that football changed during that period, with more and more goals each year and, in my opinion, a polarisation of it toward the strikers (In 2011, Messi scored 38,5% of Barca's goals while in 2005, Henry only scored 25% of Arsenal's goals).
this sums up perfectly why it can't be repeated again, two different players, different styles, different traits, same achievements and awards, it just defines the game of football
One of the best videos of Tifo! The development of their argument throughout the video was admirable.
Good video. Iâm kind of hoping those two wonât have a Messi vs Ronaldo rivalry because it was largely exhausting off the pitch with all the media stuff. Just want to see these two guys be brilliant with minimum fuss.
Really truly grateful we got to see football history be made in the era of Messi and Ronaldo, we may not see it ever again, the media desperately trying to shift things to Erling and Kylian is just a manifestation of their unwillingness to accept the end of a once in a lifetime moment in the history of the great game.
Still Messi and Ronaldo were good at more than just scoring goals, you can't compare the passing, dribbling and free kicks from Messi and Ronaldo to that of Haaland and Mbappe. It's just another level
Messi represented Barca while Ronaldo represented Madrid, it was much more then just the crazy numbers they put up,the media of arguably the 2 biggest clubs itw was clashing each week on who did it better making the rivalry even more intense with the whole world divided to come and watch the One and Only El Classico,
Thatâs right who remembers when u waited the whole year for El Classico, it was like War †and it held so much significance to the game
Imagine a player with Ronaldo's football mental strength, goal scoring positioning, heading ability, prime Ronaldos shooting, and prime Messi's dribbling, passing, and Messi's tenacity and resilience on ball. That player would be the G.O.A.T. Thank God there is no one like that, that would be a myth.
That would be like MJ, Kobe or LBJ in the NBA
Ronaldo wasn't just a goal scorer like Mbappe or Haaland
Ronaldo played a lot of his career as a winger too and he (I suggest you watch ronaldo's career in Manchester United)
That was already done.
*Ronaldinho in his Prime was literally Messi and Ronaldo combined in 1 player.*
He is the best player this sport has ever produced
@@darrenraphaelyou forgot to combine the longevity of ronaldo and messi. there are 4 dimensions in the universe. most legends conquered the three, but only messi and ronaldo conquered time. you need to be a master of all 4 to truly belong in that category.
I just wanna say Messi is by far the most talented player ever. Goals, assists, free-kicks, dribbling and passing are all comparable to the greats in each department. CR7 is a game decider. Crazy.
Messi is the greatest bottler of all time
@@steakter7345 the greatest bottler of all time has the most Ballon d'Ors of all time. Most Golden Boots as well. "Bottler".
Balon d or has become a popularity contest.
@@EdgarthenaturalJimenez The stats say otherwise. Before Messi, Ballon d or is all about winning trophies and abstract skills Zidane, Ronaldinho's wise. Since Messi and Cr7, it has turned out into statistics and crazy records broken in monthly basis.
@@EdgarthenaturalJimenez Balon d'Or suddenly suddenly became a "popularity contest" the moment it became clear Ronaldo wasn't catching Messi.
Yeah as many of you said, they might reach the numbers but consistency and mentality will be the real challange
These two are the best current generation of football has to offer, sure and have the potential to break scoring records of all time, but that is where the comparison ends. If you play football, you understand, these two dont even come close what Messi is. The close-control dribbling, the passing/playmaking, the footie IQ and most important of all humility. Messi's play is simply beautiful, it's art.
On the other hand Ronaldo is a product of hardwork, so if these two put the same amount of effort, they could be like him lol
At this moment, Haaland looks miles ahead of Mbappe. And to outshine him, Mbappe would have to let go of his ego, sooner than later.
'Miles ahead'? Thats a bit of an overstatement.
Yes mbappe has an ego and haaland is a better goal scorer but if mbappe played for city instead itâd be a different story
â@@DaanP95 it's an understatement if anything, Mbappe is nowhere near Haaland
@@nakiyame2606 Mbappe is a better player.
@@mankadrun0ut i think you have to consider who the manager is. No one is bigger than pep and that keeps them in line. Mbappe couldnât have his way so heâd fit in and heâd be fine because scoring goals heâd get the headlines
I hope that they are not the same. I want different players to do things that I haven't seen. I don't want to watch the same rivalry again. I don't want a sequel, I want a different rivalry franchise that is unique and excites me with new tricks and goals
This rare context was also present on the commercial pitch were they both represented companies that like to place themselves as great competitors in this market. Plus they strangely sponsored the other's club... This is nowhere near as important as the existing rivalry between both clubs and (the cultural rivalries that are at it's core). But it really did participate in this "rare context" that will probably not happen soon...
Precedence (although with its own context) is an inspiration for comparison but unprecedence inspires appreciation or admiration.
I urge football enthusiasts to just enjoy whatever the game offers, era upon era.
Hopefully they can surpass them. Every football fans want to see continous improvement in the game of football
I can guarantee there won't be another Messi for a while. How can you be the best dribbler, goalscorer and playmaker?
Vinicius Jr. and Mbappé have the potencial to achieve it (to be The Best Dribbler, Playmaker & Goalscorer at the same time).
Meanwhile the Best Goalscorers are:
1st - Haaland
2nd - Lewandowski
3rd - Benzema
Thereâs plenty of players like Messi. Heâs just maradona minus the world cups lol. But Ronaldo? Heâs just in a league of his own
@@Bungycb "Plenty of players" You named 1 player who is coincidentally the best of their time. No one else comes close to Messi.
@@eliass8118 and no one else comes close to Ronaldo. That âpoacherâ narrative is a myth heâs top 4 all time in assists lol
@@Bungycb "Heâs just maradona minus the world cups lol" - you can't say that with a straight face and then speak about Ronaldo's glory right after. As if cr7 has any World Cup success lol. Anyone who says "Heâs just maradona minus the world cups lol" automatically just shows theyre hella biased.
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They are both exceptional generation talents from their respective countries and in the world of football. I highly doubt they will ever reach or eclipse the stats of Messi and Ronaldo. They both have seemed to come up during a time when both legends are flailing and beginning to age...and the world of football loves it's narratives. For us fans though it's always fun to see parallels and opposing forces go at it against each other, like Goku vs Vegeta.
Ronaldo and Messi were amazing all across the front line, these 2 are brilliant in their 2 main positions but havnt shown the all around game yet.
I'm a Messi fan but I will cry when both him and Ronaldo retire! What a glorious time it was!!!
1. Longevity: Staying injury free and in top class shape for close to 15 years is extremely difficult and requires monumental amount of will power and work ethic.
2. Scoring nearly 50 goals season after season is very difficult and does not happen often in an entire generation. Although the goal rate of both Haaland and Mbappe is mesmerising, but to stay in that form for 15 years will be insanely challenging.
Staying injury free is 90% luck
Itâll be the next football rivalry but no there will never be another Messi, heâs alone at the top
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It's no coincidence the top 3 European goalscorers of all time are all currently still playing. 30 years from now there'll be a good handful of players with over 100 CL goals. Yes, Messi and Ronaldo are greats, but this is also down to changes in the modern game and the prestige of the competition. Haaland and Mbappe are well on course to 125+ goals even if they retire at 31.
U can always find strong and fast players who can score alot of goals. But u can't find a man who can everything. Messi can control the game. He can assist. He can score. His intelligence is unmatched . His technical ability is second to none. He can do things no other player has ever done. Things that u can't copy that's how good Messi actually is .
Messi and Ronaldo being elite at the same time is a once in a lifetime occurrence.
That's why many of us soaked it up as much as we could, because it's not forever.
Ronaldo and Messi are a class of their own they have shattered records not only that but their consistently gave Max output every season for over 10 years, these two young lads cannot fit I the same shoes as Ronaldo and Messi
Haaland i could see 10 years down the line doing great if injury free of course. He also seems to be doing amazing so far in arguably a tougher league which can help him become no1. Mbappe in Ligue 1 might not be looked at in the same light. With CR7 and Messi they fought in the same league which helped.
Messia and CR7 are unique, we'll never see something like this for a century
Putting playstyles and context aside, I think it's fair to say both Messi and Ronaldo were consummate professionals that had a massive winning drive and a mature stance towards their profession. Mbappe on the other hand seems to be more of a primadonna social media influencer, which will probably be the main obstacle to a similar rivalry occurring, as he won't be supported as a person by anyone aside from teenagers who think bad manners are cool.
I don't think so. All are great players. But IMO one of the things that has always set Messi and Ronaldo apart is how fair they play on the pitch. Very rare that either one of them behaves in an un-sportsmanlike manner. I also have to admire their concentration, and focus.
I've seen Haaland and Mbappe in many games; and seen them do things that I have never seen Messi/Ronaldo do.
There is some intangible, that we as fans can only surmise. But it's a feeling. Lewandowski broke all kinds of records at Bayern, but the fanbase didn't warm, to him. My point is, that in order to go down as a truly great, you also have to be loved.
Crazy to think the rivalry would have been settled on 2013, if it werenât for Jupp and Jurgen. I remember all of my friends saying Barça was going to trash Bayern, but I couldnât believe my eyes when even Madrid was knocked out. Even more crazy to think Ribery lost Ballon DâOr that yearâŠ
Guess that they need to go to Barca and Madrid, or Haaland stay at City with Mbappe in United. It is really the rivalry between the players due to their clubs rivalry that put so much focus on them.
Haalands playstyle reflects Lewandoski and Mbappe looks like Ronaldo. Messi is just messi.
Ronaldo is just Ronaldo. Messi is just maradona minus the World Cus lol
Mbappe does not play like Ronaldo lmao. Bernardo Silva is like Messi btw
@@thenotorious2322 if Silva is like Messi then why canât he score 40 to 50 goals per season? Messi is 1 of 1 letâs stop it
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I think for how great bouth Mbappe and Haaland is, for this to even be a conversation is that they have to be up there for at another 10 years.
I dont believe so because messi now even when hes old is doing more magic than mbappe is doing in the world cup⊠Imagine if they were the same age right now, wouldnt even be close
The thing about halland and mbappe is that its their numbers that surprise us and not the way they play, none of them comes close to messi playmaking, shooting, dribling etc etc. Their strikers in teams worth billions that play for them.
What if Haaland and Mbappe don't want to be the next Messi or Ronaldo and just want to be themselves? Let players establish their own legacy.
Too late for that, the best they can do is ride on the shoulders of giants.
i agree
Mbappe-Haaland isn't at all a direct rivalry like Messi-Ronaldo because they're not competing in the same league. Messi and Ronaldo are on the Mount Rushmore of football with Pele and Maradona. To have two greats in the same era is like Federer-Nadal in tennis. It's extremely rare and should be appreciated.
After 10 or more seasons if they are still performing at the same level definitely, players like zlatan, cavani, suarez are great players, but the records are unbelievable for messi and ronaldo, so it's too early to compare i think
I feel blessed to have been able to live out this rivalry. The fact that 2 once in a generation players were in the same league playing for clubs with a bitter hatred for eachother is literally the stuff of movies..
Maybe Next Ronaldo,But bruh,they arenât even as good as a single nail of Messiâs left foot .Messi keeps both of them in his pocket. I see great potential upcoming talents but not enough to be as good as Messi đ
Its like how xavi and iniesta donât come into the Gerrard vs Lampard vs Scholes debate. You are absolutely right - context, i.e. some continuous and historically-fuelled competition between their clubs, is what makes us draw comparisons.
We will never see another Messi and Ronaldo in this generation
The funny thing is that both Mbappé and Haaland are both Ronaldo fans and although they have different atributes, both are more a like with Cristiano Ronaldo than Messi.
Haaland is a Zlatan fan
@Ajay his a more Zlatan
I don't think so. As soon as I saw Messi and Ronaldo at 18 y/o, they already seemed like they were different galaxies. These two kiddos are good goalscorers
But of course, the media will hype them up because they need to keep those views and sales up
Messi and Ronaldo were both complete in all possible ways and not just on one aspect
i think we all remember messi vs ronaldo not just as a rivalry but more of the amount of tension the drama and the presence of skill and gameplay they created by their performance match by match and the emotional/sentiment they created for fans just to win a game of el clasico . the matches between those rival teams are not just a end product of win or loss but it made fans alter their thoughts and mood in every minute the game goes on. WE ARE NOT GOING TO FEEL THAT AMOUNT OF PASSION FROM FANS TO WIN A GAME EVEN IF MBAPPE AND HAALAND JOINS rival teams.
One of the reasons that i feel why there will not be a messi ronaldo rivalry is because both of them played during the time when online criticism wasn't at the level that it is today.
What differentiates Messi from the other 3 is that he's also a 10 while being a goalscorer while the other 3 are pure forwards.
Btw, Messi and Ronaldo were in the El Classico. Haaland and Mbappe would be in the Al Classico or Oil Derby, whichever you wanna call it.
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I think Haaland is more like Zlatan and Mbappe more like Henry
Haaland is fast. Zlatan was never fast
@@lokiodinson6018 Zlatan didn't have to be fast. God doesn't run away
@@caniblmolstr4503 Cringe
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Zlatan is 1000 times more technical than Haaland
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Let's wait 15 more years of top level performance and consistency from these young players than we can decide.
PSG only willing to let Mbappe go for Liverpool ( only if they could afford him ), So Man City vs Liverpool will be the arena for them to battle it out. OR both of them go to La Liga forming the new El Clasico rivalry
I think Haaland will create record for generation to come. I think only person who can break his record will be himself. đ„đ„đ„
He won't beat Messi's 91 goals in a calendar year
ââ@@joeb7640 if anyone can break that record it's arguably him. Looking at the pace at which he score goals it's looking like he is going to break all sorts of goal scoring records. But scoring goals alone isn't everything. That doesn't make you a complete footballer like Pele, Maradona, Messi or R9.
@@unnirajac8617 The year over and he didn't beat it. But Messi was a goal scoring machine for 12 straight months to set that record. Haaland would need to be at top form consistently for 12 months to beat it.
The thing is.... do they consider each other rivals? By stats yes but in different leagues? No....
The only way Haaland and Mbappe would be rivals is that both teams meet every year in the Champions League final, or at the very least, semi-final and they play a big part in it, scoring in those matches. This would be rather improbable as there are other stronger contenders such as Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, possibly Napoli and other dark horses eliminating them.
Maybe the new Ronaldo but Messi is someone that we are once in a lifetime
You have to be the best creator and goal scorer in the world at the same time for over a decade to be in the same breath as Messi. In other words, itâs not happening.
Instead of El Classico featuring the best players it is now the Oil Classico featuring that has the best players
It must be noted how much more difficult it is in the premier league, especially more recently. Tallying up substantial goals in France is far less challenging than in England. Even the stats Ronaldo and Messi conjured are contextually less difficult then if Haaland completes his career in England.
Stupidest take Ive ever seen. La liga was strong when Ronaldo and Messi played in it. Probably stronger than the premier league.
I think the rivalry between messi and ronaldo elelvated when they played for barca and real madrid respectively.
I don't think we will see such sinilary rivalry between those two until and unless mbappe joins man united, or both join some other rival clubs
Thatâs what I was thinking. If Mbappe wants to prove himself worth, then there will be no perfect stage like United. That puts him in direct rivalry with Haaland, and now we can see who scores more goals
What were you saying about Messi's era in the Ballon D'or being over? Bout to win an 8th đđđ