Mr. Beast vs Andrew Tate | TMG - Episode 250
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This week Cody and Noel talk about Andrew Tate, Mr. Beast, and the recent drama on Love Island.
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CHAPTERS
Cold Open 00:00
Andrew Tate 03:45
Dating Angst + Love Island 28:00
Reading Twitter Post 36:00
Hey everyone,
I’ll speak more on this next week but I immediately want to clear up any misconceptions.
I don’t think Tate is a good person or a positive influence. Our conversation was a lot longer and parts were edited down so I think my explanations are coming across like justifications.
Regardless I have no issue saying Tate isn’t a good person. Additionally I was trying inject some humor here and there but it was poorly timed.
I understand if this was upsetting to see and I want to assure you all Im not in agreement/support of Tate’s ideology.
Would you let a woman drive your go kart though?
thank you!
hope you read these comments and understand why!
hope you speak about it properly and do your research
Glad you clear it up! We shouldn’t jump to conclusions without hearing from you
how can two men who never hesitate to make fun of crazy christian women really have such a hard time tiptoeing around calling andrew tate (of all people) a bad guy? crazy.
Shrooms brought back his incel
Pathetic
I’m starting to think that since they started their TMG company they have become “algorithm safe” .
They kinda gone with what’s popular to make fun of what isn’t .
White , straight , Christian conservatives = okay
Trending clout generating topics (Tate)= not okay
*talk about what happened YEARS ago acting like people can’t grow and change*
@@ElPresidenteMargz bro idk what you're even trying to say with "they kinda gone with what's popular to make fun of what isnt" lol just learn to laugh bruh. No need to get all inflamed about ur insecurities or whatever
im so fucking sick and tired of misogyny not being taken seriously.
Believe it or not, there is far misandry in the world. Nobody bats an eye when a woman yells "men aint sht" and talks down on men. Its so common its become societaly accepted at this point to hate men. Kevin samuels, fresh and fit, and Andrew start makin fun of yall and now ya actin like the worlds ending 💀
Seriously same. The responses to Noel's comments are sickening. The men telling him.hes fine and to keep making jokes as normal is absolutely bonkers. Cis men truly do not comprehend the horrific fear and danger men like tate insight and how it is allowing and encouraging violence by not outright condemning tate.
@@nicolehex right? like even if it is just a phase for young boys what about the effect it has on teen girls and their mental health that have to deal with their sexist shit
misogyny and misogynistic ideas are what lead to violence against women and feminicides but these fucking “nice guys” act like it’s not that deep like wtf
It makes so so depressed. All the comments defending tate no matter what. Makes me want to die, but that is what they want.
you don’t always have to play devils advocate noel.. especially when you’re talking about a dude who preaches misogyny, has sex trafficking allegations and moved countries to avoid rape laws. like i know you mean well but what do you mean you’re “not anti” andrew tate??
Not to mention there's graphic videos of him perpetrating domestic abuse on a woman 😵💫
1. Where does he preach misogyny? 2. The allegations were false. 3. Never heard of that do u have a clip?
@@sawrunner0 because people who are falsely accused, especially of things like misogyny and sex trafficking SHOULD be defended. How would you feel if everyone thought you’re a murderer when in fact you are not?
@@illz47 falsely accused of misogyny????😭😭 have you HEARD what this man says? it’s literally the reason he’s popular
@@madisonhanley2615 saying men are better than women at some things and vice versa is not misogyny
Edit: obviously he’s said more controversial things but despite that, I’ve watched a lot of content and I believe Tate loves women, and many women love him back. It’s not his fault if actual woman-haters use it to justify their misogyny. Tate generalizes and exaggerates often for attention. He hasn’t said anything that warrants deplatforming, especially when his mindset and self development advice is helpful for so many. So, really the issue is that you people are irrationally sensitive to words and ideas that go against what you perceive as normal, and you then dedicate your time to trying to cancel someone for voicing his ideas. It’s pathetic
I think Noel’s humor about Tate is jarring because it really hits home that even though guys like Noel of course don’t agree with Tate’s stupid, dangerous ideas about women, they still don’t *understand* how actually scary it is for someone with that rhetoric to be very popular right now, because they’re not the ones scared of men like him. It’s hard to be satirical about a guy who said he moved to a different country because it had less restrictive r*pe laws. It’s not all that funny when it comes down to it. But that’s all it is, not funny. Noel’s clearly doesn’t agree with him.
100% this. It's extremely hard for me to listen to men who don't seem to take Tate and those who watch him seriously as a threat to women's safety. Pretty disheartening to hear. I hope Noel takes all of this criticism and learns from it that a better idea would be to take an extremely hard line against someone who doesnt even see women as people. I hope he also realizes that many women are absolutely terrified because of dangerous people like Tate and joking around about them doesn't actually help anyone or do anything in the long run.
You're exactly right. It's all theoretical for them......
Yes! After the Roe v Wade overturn, it is very apparent there are men who do not “grow out” of this mindset. Downplaying the following Andrew Tate has is seriously dangerous and i’m disappointed that he would think otherwise in a time where rights for women are being stripped from them.
I could be wrong but didn't they literally find two women held hostage in his house?
Geez. Everyone is so dumb 😢
A bit funny to me that they were so worried abt the tate fan backlash and not their own fan backlash
Yes and especially that the majority of their viewers are women
Remind me of their bad bored ape club takes
@@haileyg1157 Is that even true?
@@ChogerHD I am one and I can speak for all of uus when I say we know they're joking and don't support Tate.
@@HorrorDiva01 don’t speak for all of us
Noel is sounding real LA with the “it doesn’t affect me so I don’t care” attitude. Weird that a human trafficker is the person to get Noel thinking like this
fr bro i don’t think noel can recover from this i don’t view him the same anymore 😭 i had suchhh a different idea of him before this
yes so disappointing to listen to this ep
he's a human trafficker? Why is he not in jail? something seems off
Alleged. Seems you forgot
@@manoflipful women who were missing were reportedly found in his house. He’s being investigated for it. Andrew is also a scam artist and promotes an MLM scam
I'm sorry but as a woman hearing a man consider you a piece of property is really scary. In any context. And watching how it's affected my little brother's mindset is even scarier. There are very real consequences to his actions and to dismissing them.
ok?
@@Bodydyin fire comeback bro 🤡
cus you are lmao get hurt🤣
How old is your brother?? If he’s underage your parents should know what he’s watching can’t blame the people on the screens
Maybe you shouldn’t let CZcams raise your little brother
glad noel thinks because there are “bigger” issues than misogyny we should just get over it lmao great take bud. we know the world is burning, that doesn’t negate the fact that i want to be treated with respect and not like an object while i’m here.
given the fact there is an actual attack on women right now with Roe v Wade being overturn, this shit is serious and he doesn’t seem to care
Yeah, a tiktoker play a character is definitely a pressing matter
Are you conflating him saying we should ignore Tate as saying we should "get over" Tate? That's not remotely the same thing. His point is we should stop giving him a platform. The more people obsess over him, positive or negative, the more powerful his message becomes.
@@Teddy_k847 when they talk about him, they aren’t talking about just andrew tate they are talking about all people who have the same opinions and the misogyny
@@user-ym6pu4vn4t totally get what ur saying. noel’s saying “get over it” cause he’ll fall off eventually and there’s no talking to a brick wall. but in the shadows of that phrase it’s saying allow young men to have this take while it lasts cause there’s nothing you or anyone can do, but social consequences matter. these “alpha males” hate to be embarrassed so people can’t just get over it until this take is in the ground.
In general, I think Noel is underestimating how dangerous young men who hate women can be while also assuming everyone eventually becomes a reasonable person when they grow up so it doesn't matter. Which is unfortunately not the case.
Where do you think this so call hate is rooted from?
You can say the exact same thing for dangerous feminist rhetoric that is going around to younger women... "you can do anything a man can do and better", more women being in college than men by a mile, shit like that, young white women are the most advantaged people in society today and we still treat them like they are oppressed. Certain facets of feminist ideology do the exact same damage as Tat spewing misogyny, its the same thing on different sides of the spectrum.
@@hambelgel8960 misogyny
I think he does but the reality is that even though Tate is undeniably dangerous, there’s not much we can do to stop his influence. All this hysteria around him is just attracting more kids to watch his stuff. The majority of his audience are enticed by him because he triggers people. None of these debates are changing anyones mind on him, they’re just giving him a platform
@@hambelgel8960 look up ‘cute aggression’ that’s one reason, or jealousy, or issues with rejection, or mommy issues, etc.
As a woman, seeing all the likes and comments on his page is actually disturbing and terrifying. It's not something every man will "grow out off". it's unfortunate, but it's a reality for a lot of women. I've been watching both of you for years and absolutely love the show, but this was kinda hard to watch.
this is exactly how i felt!
@@user-ym6pu4vn4t i listened to the whole episode, i always do! huge fan. it sounded like noel was justifying what Andrew Tate was doing… and that’s not okay. maybe you didn’t watch the episode? lol or are you someone who will never be affected by this kind of thing bc ur a man?
@@user-ym6pu4vn4t and not once did i say Noel supports Tate. I said it sounds like he is justifying what Tate is doing.
@@user-ym6pu4vn4t I haven't seen the video with Hasan. about to watch it now. You're the one belittling people and calling them sensitive for not agreeing with what noel is saying. I deleted my other response because I don't want to be called names by you again. Have a nice day.
@@user-ym6pu4vn4t Bro shut up
When it came to girldefined they did not hesitate to call out how idiotic and harmful their content was. Yet how can they, especially Noel, sit there and partially defend Andrew Tates misogyny and violence? As a woman it’s scary to see how so many people on the internet deem him as anything but dangerous. This man has done nothing but talk about how women are objects and even promotes sexual violence towards them. I’m really disappointed in Cody and Noel. I clicked on this video being convinced that they would think rationally. Turns out I was wrong.
Right
Exactly.
Chill bruh
these comments are making me laugh lol. wtf are you bored little girls on about😂 where in this hour long podcast did they “defend” Andrew tate? give me time stamps cause this shit makes absolutely 0 sense lmao
also, where has Andrew “promoted sexual violence” towards women? can you link me that clip? cause these claims are absurd lol, would probably be a good idea to back them up 😂
I have to say I am extremely satisfied with these comments. Glad everyone isn't just being yes men and are being critical of things. I look forwards to them bringing this up next week.
Did you know that ben is a Zionist?
@@pigeont1221 who is Ben and why is he a zionist
Yeah its women's safety that is being put in jeopardy. I was worried I was alone and wouldn't be heard or face the Tate backlash.
i desperately need them to have AT LEAST ONE woman on set when they film. the andrew tate conversation was beyond disappointing as a woman who’s been supporting these guys for years.
Disappointing but not surprising
you're absolutely right
yeah was super dissapointed :(
cry more
I've been saying this for a while, having a female voice on the pod, in any capacity, large or small, would be a great benefit to the range and quality of the conversations being had here.
Noel trying to be contrarian and not just saying Andrew Tate is a misogynist is weird… not saying Tate has a bad influence on boys’ actions/feelings towards women is insane
I bet you wouldn't support the criticism or the deplatforming of the men h ating feminists on tiktok twitter who spew hate on men all day everyday by calling all men rapis t or by the call to kill l all men (and yes they do take it seriously if you read there posts and comments) or by advising to belittle men and their experiences or manipulate them to get their money and there is much much more that these men h ating pigs do and this insects gets a lot of impressions and support and when it comes to likes they get millions on their videos and thousands on their comments and if you look at their comments you won't find a single women not supporting them or disagreeing with them so what's wrong with having men with the same mentality but towards women you and others women support and love having those women around and that's evident by you and others not disagreeing with them so what's wrong and what you and other women are scared of when men have the same people
You don’t understand comedy lmao
Hee said hee doesn't agree with Tate's views at all.
@@gforeal5 Care to explain the joke?
@@luciavaughan9464 he literally injects comedy with his actual view of Tate. Multiple times he talks about how this affects young men in a negative way but y’all wanna pick out specific moments where he’s doing a bit and think he’s siding with Tate. Cody even legitimately asks him if he is a Tate fan and he says no and continually explains Tate’s appeal and why it’s dangerous to young men
Only funny thing about this episode was how visibly uncomfortable Cody got at times 💀
when he starts rubbing his neck and the back of his head you know hes going through it with what noel is saying
“They’ll live in the real world, and women won’t want them.” Noel. Do you know how many women ALREADY take so much shit from men that they don’t deserve? Men like Andrew reduce you to nothing. That’s how they get you. This is DANGEROUS. And to gaslight, and I don’t use that term lightly, Cody into thinking it was crossing a line to call Andrew dangerous….. beyond me. How many women have to be traumatized before men realize it’s “not working” in their mid twenties, and decide to respect ONE woman at best. Yes. Andrew Tate isn’t the only thing on the internet corrupting young men. But it’s huge, right now it’s huge. We don’t have to sit idly by and pretend we don’t have issues to solve just because the world is going to end???? Not even in our lifetime, so you’re fine with men treating women like shit until then? Hope not. The jokes you made in this episode were funny. Not mad about the jokes. But your actual view points were disheartening and concerning to say the least. Please, wake up. Half of your fanbase is women, maybe even more than half. The two of you are with gorgeous, strong and independent women. When is it your turn to behave decent for them, instead of the shit little boys who will call you beta on the internet?
Amazingly accurate holy shit. Especially that last sentence.
The same could be said for men. So many women are selfish and only care about themselves and their feelings. How can I tell my female friends that it's NOT okay to break hearts for fun? They think its so funny, every week a new boyfriend, its a disgusting anti-men lifestyle and they don't listen or care.
i’ve never wished i could pin a comment more than now
Also the whole "women won't want them" thing is a bad take because like, rape is a thing. It doesn't matter to these guys that women don't want them. THEY want the women.
Perfect comment. Could NOT have worded it better if I tried
I don't like that misogyny seems like a normal part of a young man's puberty. "They'll grow out of it" yeah nah they should never go through that period, it hurts teenage girls to be in school around these dudes who just plain hate you.
This is probably the best take on this. We should focus on fostering positive male role models for young men
Exactly and usually they don’t grow out of it. That’s not something that typically happens when you live in a society that hold up mysoginistic values. It’s like saying someone’s going to grow out of racism. That’s not common unless there’s a lot of unlearn taking place.
100% agree
literally it does affect ppl especially young girls a lot
Watch many of tates videos, never did i ever heard tate makin any point on acting violence upon woman. So wtf u takin bout
The existence of Andrew Tate makes me appreciate Dharr Man lmaoo. Say what you want about his sketches, at least he tries to make his viewers better people, not worse
This.
You’re so right
Yes, the bar keeps getting lower, sadly.
Cheesy but positive
It doesn't have to be one or the other
I think noels mindset on Tate, while he obviously doesn't agree with him, is still upsetting to hear as a woman because it makes you realize how much men are tuned out from issues that affect women
I agree, very upsetting
well said.
I agree as a man, that many men are largely oblivious to the intricacies of womens issues, and that’s something that guys like Tate frustratingly perpetuate. I fundamentally disagree with every single thing Tate says, however the very reason he’s popular points to a lack of effective role models and validation of young men’s issues. Women’s issues, while often overlooked, are very very publicly known and topical especially now as they should be. The reason Tate successfully garners the attention of young men is that in between his blatant misogyny, he validates their issues of isolation, loneliness and lack of meaning that society places on young men. I think the only way to ensure people like Tate don’t continue to grow in popularity is to not neglect mens and womens issues, and to provide constructive frameworks for both that can validate their issues in ways that aren’t toxic. That’s just my take
Exactly! Every time Noel said ‘who cares’ was like a slap in the face :/
@@WingDingzz So well said. Thank you!
This blows. Cody and Noel have so many young women viewers but you’re gonna offer a semi-defense of Andrew Tate before having a female guest on the show 250 episodes in? Pass
They have had female guests before
You just say that irreivent statement to feel better, can you not see the sarcasm and jokes when they say, “that’s why he’s the top g” and things like that
bad faith take. they didnt defend him once. didnt even offer a “semi defense” they spent most of the time making satirical comments and talking about how the hell he even has some sort of following. comedy isnt for everyone🤷♀️
The male to female guest ratio is incredibly disappointing. Maybe this convo sheds some light on why that ratio is the case in the first place, idk.
@@crimc2387 saying you are not anti about a human trafficker is definitely not a good take. they can have bad takes without you white knighting for them
I just wish more people would call attention to how dangerous the anti-woman rhetoric is and how it actually leads to real world violence, it’s not just Tate teaching 18-21yr olds to hate woman online, they learn to become even more desensitised allowing violence to continue
Yes!! You put that perfectly.
Not just is this true, Tate himself proves this, he went to Romania due to "lax SA laws", and is being investigated for human trafficking
@@valenfigurka3869 thank you 💜
@@Alex-cw3rz that’s insane, I’ve also seen videos of his own violence towards woman
@@saynab1238 common tate W
Listening to this as a women was so frustrating y’all need to have a women guest and have this same convo!
same. made me feel uncomfy for 2 men to talk abt all of this without a womens pov!
They're making jokes. You know they do this and have humor on any subject no matter how serious it really is. If you don't like this kind of joking and subject, don't watch it. Not everything can cater to your emotion
@@LiteConversion walking L🙁
@@LiteConversion Im pretty sure everyone who watches this podcast knows they make jokes, and if you have eyes you can tell that their opinion on this isn’t a joke? Yes they made a few jokes while giving insight on their opinion which is fine, but the overall message especially from Noel’s side was not a joke?
@@oceanmichelle We all know for a fact that Cody and Noel treat women with respect and manners. You misunderstood Noel, but that's because of the way he express this whole thing. Dude's probably tired that day.
cody is too canadian. you could tell he disagreed with noel but anytime noel would say anything he kinda just let it be. stand up for yourself buddy. noel isn’t always right
i've felt this dynamic between them on their projects for years. it feels like noel is the "cool" one and cody's opinions are never as important/he gets talked-down to when he tries to say anything that doesn't align with what noel is saying.
I agree, it’s alright to bud heads w Noel, but Cody hardly ever does that…
literally the reason I cant really do the pod anymore. Cody has normal real reactions to shit and if Noel disagrees his stance is right and cody is a dumbass. Trillionaire mindset is the only reason I still pay on the private page
@@meggriffiths9792 agreed
true!!!! he has this pacifist and non-confrontational side that naturally doesn't wanna disrupt any peace i feel. but i can always sense it whenever he tensed up on noel's "hot takes"
i’m begging y’all to talk to actual women about how dangerous andrew tate is. how popular he’s becoming is terrifying, as a woman. downplaying him is seriously and directly disrespecting all of your female fans. “bad take” is an understatement.
Yep 💯 % agree
man never thought i'd agree with cody more than i do noel in an important conversation but jesus that tate talk was rough, women can't just unswipe misogyny lmao
Please tell me what bad takes Cody has had in the past? I don’t understand why all of the comments are so surprised they’re agreeing with Cody.
Where was Noel wrong he made clear points on how he’s a horrible influence for the kids these days
Right...sure we can unswipe on tinder but we can't stop a man from murdering us if we reject him. Which happens all the time.
Everyone is wrong and im right. I'm mad at everyone. Opinions are stupid.
@@caramelcoveredtatas4813 What? They disagree with his opinion. They are allowed to do that.
noel not being able to say andrew tate is a bad person is extremely upsetting. im glad cody pushed back a little bit but this is definitely the worst take they have ever had on the podcast. i hope noel realizes the scale of this issue.
It was actually super heartbreaking to accept that they sound so much more like Tate stans. And hearing them talk about hasan like that on top of it :/
definitely the worst take they've ever had on the podcast! thank you
Seriously, I can't believe noel's take on Tate. Cody wasn't as bad, but holy shit I am in disbelief. They should be disgusted and appalled by him.
@@doctorbitchcraft7890 "Disbelief" LMFAO, Tate has valid points but everyone looks past that and falls for his clickbait nonsense, please educate urself on the subject before you talk
the entire internet is riding tates dick rn, and noel had the most logical take on it i've watched so far. comparing being a ''G'' to real life issues is the base of his opinion...? thats cool af, why are u girls crying
What’s alarming to me is them calling him charming, and saying he sounds so smart. No woman finds him charming. No women thinks he sounds smart. All we hear is violence, hate and bigotry come out of his mouth. This plus Noel saying who cares and largely underestimating the impact tate can have on young men shows how little they actually care about women’s rights. And then all he has to say in the comments is “I don’t agree with tate” it’s not very convincing tbh
Right it’s honestly kind of embarrassing that he assigned those qualities to tate. Like if he perceives HIM as smart and charming he’s really dumb. Like any woman would see through that. L for male intelligence
Agreed. When I listen to Tate I don’t think he sounds intelligent or charming at all. He sounds angry and always aggressive. Him saying we’ll move on from this like we have before is so disappointing to me. Women haven’t moved on, men have.
Exactly. Every response I’ve seen from public male figures who engage with him is “well he’s just entertaining.” And I really don’t see it. I have never once been entertained by him, never laughed at his jokes, never felt anything other than disgusted and disturbed.
as much as i don’t like how indifferent noel came across in this episode, i feel like i should point out that noel calling him charming and saying he sounds smart doesn’t necessarily mean he actually thinks tate is smart.
plenty of people with with bad ideologies know how to sound smarter than they really are, doesn’t necessarily mean what they’re saying is correct, they just know how to act the part with enough charm. it’s how some truly terrible people have amassed followers, and at the very least i think people should remember that so they can be critical about who they base their worldviews off of.
It’s weird to say all women disagree with him when literally most women in the east agree with literally everything including me as a women. What he’s saying is not new. Read any religions text. In my country if a women was not married or did not cook/clean for their husband and children or was promiscuous she would be disowned from the family. Literally everything Tate is speaking is in the quran and most religious text. You cant say “all women disagree” when women in the west would be the only ones to disagree with him and therefore religion in general.
it’s always shocking to see the lack of empathy on display. just because YOU aren’t affected doesn’t mean women aren’t being harassed, assaulted, and harmed by him and people who watch him. he emboldens them. you’re doing the same thing.
claiming they're doing the same thing is an insane stretch
Noel, the problem is that these teenage boys don’t just “ignore” what Andrew Tate says. They aren’t mature enough to recognize that his rhetoric is extremely harmful to women…they take it all in because someone big and rich is saying it so he must “be right” in their eyes.
tbf, most of the people i recognize to be tate “supporters” are just taking the concept as a joke and riding along with it as one, which i feel was what Noel was doing this entire podcast but for some reason others don’t
You think so little of men, like there are always gonna be no brainer Stan’s but if it’s not Tate it’s some one else. Every guy I know thinks 95% of what this guys says is horse shit. So much of what he says can be misogynistic but I don’t understand why so many of the people in the comments think that guys just 100% buy into his message cuz another guy says too. Like it’s just demeaning, like Noel is right you as a bloke with a brain figure out that doing shit like cheating on your misso or referring to women as property is pretty fast way to end up isolated from society and rightly so.
@@mattmckenzie6878 "you think so little of men" no. we believe what we see and hear from men. and when andrew tate supporters just absolutely dog on women to uplift themselves then that's when you know andrew tates methods of instilling confidence into his followers isn't working properly. yes, im sure that they're are plenty of men that think andrew tate is an asshole and what he says is bullshit. but just bc you feel that way, doesn't mean the more impressionable, younger male audience does.
I think that’s what he’s calling out here tho. He’s calling out the fact that these are young kids and the most susceptible to it are males without many male figures in their life. They’re brought in by the glossy surface level aesthetic of what they think they can learn and then are reeled into heavily misogynistic takes. It’s dangerous to not acknowledge the pipeline used to create this mindset. I feel like there’s a lot of psychology for it to succeed. However, because of that Tate should he deplatformed like Alex Jones. As well as removing platforms like 4chan, and many subreddits. There’s a whole echo system of arrogance to misogyny pipeline that creates incels and dangerous white supremacists.
like hasnt andrew tate literally admitted to basically s3x trafficking
Cody’s right though. Tate is absolutely dangerous. There’s no 2 ways about it. His “confidence” he preaches is flat arrogance that is essentially self-harm. And then his obvious misogyny is dangerous to women. It’s truly that simple
What’s the alternative
@@johnnywalker5344 what do you mean the alternative ? How about an actual father figure / role model that teaches confidence through respect
@@coconuts7960 cant respect women who dont respect themselves
@@daryldike1207 he’s not just talking about women who don’t respect themselves, he’s talking about women in general that’s the whole point dude is catering to literal young boys who listen to this shit and then think its sweet to disregard females and distort their view on life all to be called an alpha
@@daryldike1207 umm yeah you do tho. It’s called basic human deciency. How does someone actions or options of themselves effect whether you treat them with respect or not. Just because you don’t agree w someone’s actions it doesn’t warrant a loss if bassc respect. If you don’t like how a woman/person is behaving then ignore it. It’s really that simple it doesn’t effect you
Dude seriously, with Roe V Wade being pushed back, there has been an influx in dangerous and dismissive behavior targeted towards women. Tate and others are taking advantage of this time to promote misogynistic thinking and it’s not just “whatever”. There are really people right now targeting women and his behavior in this time is promoting that. I applaud Hasan for taking the time to deconstruct and point out the flaws in this style of thinking while being a positive role model for younger men. Pretending it’ll just go away is the type of behavior that contributed to Roe V Wade not being ratified and the equal rights amendment not being ratified until this year.
Men don’t understand how privileged they are. As a long time female fan, this episode made me want to cry.
yeah, no. They are not. Men and women each face their own sets of problems and issues. We need to approach all of those problems with same sincerity and desire to better our lives. Disgusting people like Tate emerge and gain followers because men have almost no sane and normal outlets to express their own problems. If they ever do, the becrazed Nazi feminists shut it all down. Then this extremist comes and drags them in with his insane bullshit, like a cult leader. Men are not universally and totally privileged in todays society and to say so is baseless and clearly you have been conditioned to think that way by mainstream media. Free yourself from that. It will make you feel better.
no
@@snsldkdldlddk9256 Yes.
Same. When Noel said “who cares, why do people care about what this guy says” it made my stomach drop
I know that he MEANT “why does he have fans” kind of thing
But the way he worded it was WAY out of line
WOMEN care about what the fuck he has to say
Men don’t HAVE to care about misogynistic rhetoric being spread so they can just brush it off like Cody and Noel are here
But the people who are actually affected do care INCREDIBLY deeply about this stuff
Because women are the people that face the consequences of his actions
LITERALLY UGHH WHY ARE THEY ALL THE SAME
watching cody confusedly try to decipher if noel is a tate supporter or not is so funny
Literally can’t tell myself
not really. Cody atleast seems to have some sense.
Yeah- i really havent ever seen cody have the better opinion until now. Noel seems to want to be a femininist but is casually glossing over misogyny because he either doesn’t care or doesn’t understand how dangerous Tate really is.
Noel is neither, he has no stance on Tate which is completely fine. Tate doesn't live rent free in his head. I'm in the same boat, i don't care about Tate in either way. Probably because I'm not triggered by the guy like a lot of his naysayers seemed to be, no offense. Also I'm too old to waste time and energy on hating people on the internet I'll never meet or know personally.
@@dcost …the difference between tate and some random person on the internet is tate’s rhetoric is actually dangerous. he’s teaching so many young men it’s okay to think and act like he does. that’s not okay, and it’s scary that he now has the current platform he has. he’s just planting a seed into all these young peoples heads. you and noel clearly don’t understand the weight of the message he spreads
Debating Tate is like playing chess with a pigeon. You can make the best move possible but he’ll just bob around and knock over some pieces and think he’s won
Dr. Idz is that you???
@@kadenfarley647 lmfao i just watched that episode this morning, thought this sounded familiar
Nope if you sit down and have a constructive debate with tate you can actually learn a lot. But since many of his opponent asked question with the intend to make tate looks bad ofc my boy would double down on his argument to trigger them
Are we watching the same people. Maybe sneako definitely not Tate tho
@@hambelgel8960 you’re absolutely wrong
as someone who’s been supporting yall for years this was extremely frustrating to watch. noel i hope you at least take a second to listen to your audience and think about why everyone’s so upset about the way you talked about andrew tate instead of giving an empty apology for the sake of not being “canceled” and just moving on with your life. you don’t always have to play the devil’s advocate, if yall can say “fuck these girls” to 2 women spreading dangerous ideologies then i don’t think it’s crazy for us to expect the same reaction to a man who in my opinion is doing so much worse especially bc he has an even larger audience.
100% agree omg
It’s honestly such a privilege to say “just ignore it” and really reveals how little impact you think these kinds of things can have when that’s not true at all. I really trusted Noel up until now.
I think I've been super hesitant to trust any man in the Commentary CZcams-sphere since the controversy around Kurtis Conner and his friend Dean surfaced. It's easy to latch onto these men saying that misogyny is bad because it's refreshing, but then they'll do something to remind me that they ARE men, and simply don't know what it's like for us as women.
Agreed. I wish i had the privilege to not care about misogyny, but sadly i’m in the direct line of fire here…
plz stfu “privilege😢” he can feel and say what he wants and if you dont like so what
As a girl who’s growing up with the generation of men who listen to andrew tate, his effect is much bigger than ppl think!! I know Noel’s intentions are good but I wish he would look at this through the perspective of the women that will be negatively effected by andrew tates huge influence instead of being so dismissive 😭😭
Cody and noel are right that guys like tate has been around forever and he's not preaching anything new. But what they're missing is that those kinds of talks/courses used to be relegated only to lonely creepy dudes who for whatever reasons had bad experiences with women. Tate's going on Adin ross/xqc's stream and reaching way more and way younger audiences which are where the problems lie.
Yes
@@boopdeeb9444 yes!!! it’s not just incels listening to andrew it’s literally a huge portion of young men online
That's what I'm saying! Those types of incels used to be shunned 10+ years ago and it was easy to ignore them.
Now they are the norm in a lot of real life places. There are young girls in my family dealing with really big issues at home (cancer, death of a parent, etc) and then they go to school to be constantly rated and talked to in a nasty way. They think it's normal to be treated like that because it's so mainstream.
I would legit be in prison if I had a daughter right now, I'm not even joking. Imagine trying to raise a girl through all these issues and some fucking badly raised gremlins are constantly degrading her. It's disgusting.
You guys are so sheltered and entitled....literally listen to any hip hop song from the last 3 decades and they talk about the exact same things Tate does.
I love TMG but Noel being a Andrew Tate apologist because he’s worried about pissing off his audience is pretty fucking sad. The man is literally facing sex trafficking allegations. I get not trying to polarize things further but maybe instead of trying to appease misogynists, think a little bit about your 50% female audience (40% of whom have likely been victims of sexual assault).
it’s 80% 😭😭
THANK YOU
@@shrikumar1908 wait really?? wow i didn’t know that
@@sarah9820 the 80% figure is for sexual harassment, not assault, but obviously a horrific statistic nonetheless. Sexual assault is usually underreported though for a number of reasons, so stats are usually lower.
Ik like the majority of their fan base is women, and for the dudes, I can highly doubt anyone who likes Tate is watching this shit, Noel definitely should’ve ripped into Tate.
You VISIBLY see Cody trying to shine light on the issue that is misogyny and Noah (shockingly) shoots it down and in a way defending him basically saying that he’s not really dangerous
@@franzwagner387 no
@@franzwagner387 I’m just not finna argue with you . Cause y’all mena know y’all wrong and HE wrong and y’all just wanna continue because he make your daddyless ego feel better
@@noir_asmrr he literally wasnt arguing at all you crazy sex object relax no one said to open your legs or mouth
….Noah?
@@franzwagner387 half year reminder that they made you look like an absolute bafoon
Noel is the epitome of the straw man argument - 'the earth is burning there's no time for anyone to listen to tate or get mad about him', but like there's girls who he forced into doing sex work like that doesn't really help them?
You lost the argument when you lied about being forced to do sex work, just call out bullshit without out lying on people on things like that, even if you hate them. Otherwise you end up like Amber Heard
There’s literally no proof that he forced anyone to do anything but you’re welcome to send me a link.
@@SkillBill1000. this aged very well
@@SkillBill1000. monthly reminder to eat your words
If you aren’t vehemently denouncing men like Andrew Tate, then you aren’t doing enough. Being passive with men like him, even if Noel wasn’t agreeing with him or his ideology, is enabling him to continue to put out the harmful ideology that is getting into the minds of young boys and men all over the internet. Taking a passive stance on this is not the right way to go when so many women have been expressing how upset and unsafe they feel just listening to Andrew Tate speak, let alone the women who have to come across him in person. As a young woman who has passionately supported you, donated to you, and told other people to support you for so many years, I’m really disappointed at the passivity that was displayed in this episode. Andrew Tate is dangerous, just because he isn’t the first man to preach this ideology doesn’t mean it isn’t important to denounce him and shut him down. Especially since you are two grown men with a very large fanbase and the ability to do so.
ok
@@carnivoreaurelius7258 L
You are correct
Why are you looking for content creators to cause change? They don't owe you anything.
Agree 100%
“He does it by shitting on women”
“Yes he does”
Damn, Noel really doesn’t give a shit about misogyny lmao. Pretty fucked up ep ngl
@@user-ym6pu4vn4t they’re laughing about it.
@@user-ym6pu4vn4t it should make them sad. There shouldn’t be any fucking laughter at ALL. That’s the POINT.
@@user-ym6pu4vn4t yeah this doesn't feel like a good topic to joke about or make a video on at all
Wasn’t it the background people laughing? Cody and Noel both looked serious at this part
@@user-ym6pu4vn4t but they didn't joke about his beliefs being insane. they jokingly praised him for getting popular so fast, being charismatic, and winning debates with others. those aren't good jokes to make since this is a serious topic-- he's a human trafficker and rapist who's convincing thousands of other young men to see women as property.
It's funny how Cody and Noel can sit and act buddy buddy with mysoginists and not expect their MOSTLY FEMALE audience to be appallled
a good orator? oh my god noel. playing devils advocate here is not as hot of a take as you think. i've been seeing this guy pop up and it always makes me want to crawl out of my skin, and to hear one of my favorite dudes not dismiss this man as a dangerous misogynist sucks so much.
It does, it’s so tiring. How does Andre Tate come out as charismatic or a good orator to anyone?
@@Gabriella-ni3jz to men who are gullible and insecure and hateful. which is why this is such a sus take from noel
@@Gabriella-ni3jz To dumbass people, you just have to cosplay confidence and you can get them to buy your own shit. And for Noel not to see that is so dumb like rlly bro
I just feel like the detail of Tate moving to Romania because their laws are looser around sex crimes and is he trying to create a sex trafficking ring is being a lil forgotten
He legit said he gaslights/manipulates hundreds of women into joining his sex can website and then gets them onto predatory porn deals. It’s all on his war room website.
From what I've seen the sex trafficking claims haven't been verified or substantiated therefore it would be irresponsible of them to refer to Tate as a sex trafficker. If it turns out he is one then he deserves to be locked up forever imo but you can't just put such a heinous label on someone without proof.
@@islabee94 they are still being investigated. The police found two women held captive at his house and both were under duress
@@islabee94 His entire model is one of grooming and exploitation. He's bragged that most of the women weren't in sex work before he met them and that he convinced them to work for him by first tricking them into falling in love with him. His word is the proof. Whether or not you call it "trafficking" is a semantic grey area, maybe, but I don't know why you'd chose to offer him the more charitable definition of the word if you weren't leaning into defending this guy already. Bury him under the jail so far as I'm concerned.
@@islabee94 so he moved to a country to run his cam sex business where the sexual assault laws are minimal. He lied to the cam girls about what they were doing. He then tried to trap them and beat them into staying in the house. They finally were able to call the police and escape, but Tate was able to get away with I.
ngl i cried a little bit after hearing them talk abt andrew tate. being a woman on the internet is so hard nowadays and it feels like the male creators who aren’t misogynistic is a rare breed. i’ve watched them for so long and not even being able to say you’re antitate is so hurtful. that man doesn’t see women as people and you can’t say you’re anti him? not shocked but so incredibly disappointed and genuinely sad. :(
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It's hard being a man as well believe it or not
@@delrayking5724 you're just proving her point lmao
@@abidee634 she said being a woman is hard
no this is exactly how i felt
I think the misconception about Tate is that it's all talk on the internet and his videos. The man is fighting a human trafficking case in Romania and has openly said he move to Romania because sexual assault laws are looser there than in the UK, US or Canada. The man is displaying dangerous amounts of anti-social behavior. Noel has a point that these podcasters aren't prepared for for the Anti-social rhetoric and are using Tate for a thumbnail and a clip. However, Andrew Tate is dangerous and his popularity is alarming.
the trafficking is proven wrong. There is CCTV footage of the girl partying in their house. She was cheating on her boyfriend and lied. The charges are dropped. Stop Slandering a mf cause you hate him 😂
i’m so glad you brought up that case. that’s why this is such a bigger deal than him just saying crazy things against woman, he has actions to go along w the ideas he speaks. it’s scary
@@lillymeyer8524 its proven wrong bro
@@AbhishekSelvakumar i don’t care bro. he’s a misogynistic crazy man either way.
@@lillymeyer8524 yeah thats fair, but don't slander crimes cause that shits goofy
Noel saying women just unmatch these dudes or ignore them. But no men who are already told constantly women are the problem by people like Tate and then getting rejected by women leads to one fucking thing; violence. Women die because of a man’s fragile ego, so no it’s not just hey we aren’t here to change your mind.
Exactly, I noticed Cody gave him a funny look when he said that. Noel also had the strong take that Britney should be put back under a conservatorship. I’m not sure about him really.
@@sheridan7475 I don’t think Noel is a bad dude I think he’s not seeing the Forrest from the trees though and shoots from the hip on topics that require way more nuance and consideration then a podcast hot take.
It's always us womens fault. I don't know why I thought Noel was any different.
that shocked me ngl i thought he was smarted than that
guess not
fr im so disappointed
I agree people shouldn’t platform him but not debating him because he’s “too smart” is so fucking stupid. I think Noel might have a serious gas leak in his house
fart noise*
I think noel thinks the guy is like one of those people that just ignores what you say no matter what it is rather it's a good point or not so arguing with him is like talking to a brick wall cause he's gonna keep making the same dumb arguments I could be wrong tho but he should see where Cody is coming from on the topic
tate always sounds like one of the dumbest people ever to me LMFSOAO
He didn't say he was too smart, he said the opposite. You can't "win" against him because he's just going to say a lot of bullshit to derail the conversation
right
Noel has an odd take on Tate. I saw his pinned comment, but what he said here was still strange nonetheless. Everybody recognizes Tate’s hardcore misogyny, but Noel’s response to it is “who cares, you can’t out-polarize him in a debate and we’re all gonna die in the near future anyways.” Just odd to me.
Cody and Noel should care about the fact that while this comment section is full of critique, it also has a alarming amount of Tate defenders coming out of the woodwork to reply radically misogynist things to women. This part of your audience feels secure when you make a video like this. I’m unsure why you’d rather alienate the women watching than the manosphere troglodytes.
@@franzwagner387 One name calling and it's to misogynists. You wouldn't get it, no women in your life.
This is exactly right oh my god
Right? Why do they care more about setting them off than the women who support them since they have been positive figures on womens issues?!
yup. why can’t women on the internet literally have one fucking thing that isnt tainted by misogyny or complacency to misogyny GOD
God, Noel was dickriding hard at some points, so disappointing-like do you really wanna handle Andrew Taint with kiddy gloves when he’s a literal sex trafficking pos??
Noel has a lot to say on an issue that doesn’t effect him
@@user-ym6pu4vn4t i think what the op was trying to say is that noel lacks the insight from a womens perspective on how harmful tate’s ideologies are. it’s easy to disregard something when it doesn’t personally effect you
@@user-ym6pu4vn4t except that is what op said and that is what Noel did
@@user-ym6pu4vn4t No that is what op(me) said
@@mllnx Then op should take noel's take as it is, a limited perspective of his own. Shuold Noel pretend to understand a woman's perspective instead??
THISSSS
Cody: "So you are anti Tate then?"
Noel: "Im not anti. I just think like, all these messages he's putting out, there's not enough time do to the things he's saying."
This man is explicitly violently misogynistic. He's beaten a woman on camera and is under investigation for human traffiking. I sincerely hope they were just unaware of how serious of a topic this is. But even if that's the case they needed to have done better research, that's not really an excuse. This kind of rhetoric isnt the kind you can just "unswipe" or ignore.
He didn't beat a woman on camera you weirdo
"This man is explicitly *violently misogynistic* " can you explain what you mean by "violently misogynistic"?
@@michaelregis1015 Read one sentence further into the post
@@bambam31711 that video of him beating the woman was a BDSM role play video. The ex in that video admitted that it was consensual. That's why I asked the question in the first place.
@@bambam31711 so yeah, I ask again, what do you mean by "violently misogynistic"?
I don't really like the "they will grow out of it" or the "once a girl loves them they'll stop". First of all it is not our job to educate and basically raise men to stop being violently misogynistic so we can date you. Also most men who genuinely believe the shit Tate says or are raised on these believes won't just grow out of them or suddenly discard the way they are convinced that the world works just because they fall in love. Men can be in love with a woman and still be extremely misogynistic in their behaviour and the way they think, even towards the woman they supposedly love. This should not be new information, why do you think abusive relationships happen? Most abusers would say that they love their partners. This just really isn't it and as a woman it was pretty uncomfortable sitting through this conversation. I hope you reflect on the feedback in the comments.
Also, guys don’t really grow out of it, especially if they’ve been indoctrinated since childhood or teenage years
They might hide it but it always shows
I completely disagree with Noel. My 12 year old brother has been listening to Andrew Tate and I had to sit down and talk to him to teach him why what he believes is wrong. And all his friends watch him and send it to each other. One of his friends is even cheating on his gf and uses his logic to justify it. I can’t imagine the impact this will have on young boys.
Lol you should be thankful to tate. 99% of his ideology promotes positive mental health in men
@@franzwagner387 tf no it doesnt lmao
Where the fuck are your parents???? That’s the real issue. And it is possible for your 12 year old bother to grow out of that. It’s called growing and going through life. And wtf is a kid that age doing with a gf??
@@nina-db1sc have you closely followed him or are you basing your entire opinion from click bait out of context clips
@@franzwagner387 Cheating being justified at all just shows how far off you’ve fallen. I hope one day you figure yourself out truly. You aren’t finding a positive figure. I hope you heal from whatever made you turn to Andrew Tate. I hope you get help elsewhere.
I love noel accusing other podcasters of platforming this dude and exposing him to the 18 yo boys in their audience while talking for 30 mins while cowering in fear of alienating the 18 year olds in his own audience and insisting he’s “not telling them how to live”
finally some said it!
@@user-ym6pu4vn4t I pray that you're being paid to moan under every comment that disagrees with the way Noel articulated himself, otherwise it's seriously sad. Enjoying someone's content doesn't mean you have to like and defend every word they say. Noel is a big boy, he'll survive some criticism
this was just an incredibly odd episode, a very serious turn for the channel that i dont think a lot of people were expecting. I'm sure many people were surprised with noel's demeanor in this episode not only with andrew tate but his whole opinion on the world and how little time we as a species have left.
I completely agree. Something about his energy felt very off. Cody even seemed uncomfortable. This was very hard to watch
I agree. Cody was clearly weirded out.
@currently bored No he’s not, wtf. We have been here for millions of years, we aren’t going to go away in 20.
You can see how harmful girldefined is to young girls and tear them to absolute shreds, but you can't see how harmful and genuinely dangerous Andrew Tate is? It seems that all of a sudden it's just "not that deep" to you
People who are saying “why is everyone so sensitive over some jokes Noel made” don’t get why some of their fans are upset, nobody has a problem with some of the actual jokes they said on this episode, they have a problem with Noel shrugging off what Tate is doing as just “some dumb guy on the internet” cus Tate does have actual influence on people, Tate isn’t just encouraging confidence in men, he’s scamming people, is extremely misogynistic, and also a suspected sex trafficker, so for Noel to not outright say Tate is dangerous while also seemingly trying to come up with reasons why people like Tate is strange.
Cody's nervous little face and laughter when he asks Noel if he's an Andrew Tate stan sent me
The Canada jumped out
felt like codys take here was really good, and noel is kind of ignoring the bigger picture.I usually agree with him, but Tate isnt jsut someone you can ignore and gloss over, because what he says doesnt affect you. Cody was looking at it from the perspective of women, and I appreciate that. Love ya both tho.
Agreed
There is literally no bigger picture, I can’t believe people even take Andrew Tate seriously either negatively or positively. It’s embarrassing to see.
@@dangdarnnn5393 his influence will impact the way his young male followers will treat women for the rest of their lives. That’s not a reach. They will always view women as less than, even if it’s subtle behaviors.
@@dangdarnnn5393 there kinda is a bigger picture when he actually does beat women and has “girlfriends” he groomed into prostitution i agree with the fact that there’s no need to debate him but we can’t act like this is just tate playing a role wen he’s actually harming women
@@dangdarnnn5393 well people do, and it’s dangerous. Just because you’re smart enough to know what he’s saying is bullshit, millions of other people don’t. Have some humility
cody’s heart is really in the right place
As a long-time watcher of the pod and someone who usually appreciates Noel's humour, his take on this was just straight up goofy. You aren't anti-tate because you don't believe that he'll have a harmful enough impact on the lives of women before the earth burns up? Or that misogyny isn't a big enough issue to be "fired up" about? I feel like Noel believes that the implications of andrew tate's views don't make it past the internet but there is real world violence against women that comes from tate's rhetoric and its not just something that women can "swipe left on and forget about." I just think that Noel's nihilistic view on this issue allows for neutrality and passivity on an issue that very objectively calls for condemnation. It's also hilarious to me that Noel has such a defeatist attitude towards misogyny when he's never actually had to live through it himself.
‼️‼️‼️‼️perfectly said
I guess it’s easy to brush off what people like Tate do to fan the flames of misogyny when you don’t personally feel the heat from it, but trust me Noel when I say that a person you care about will at some point in their lifetime fall prey to the harm that comes from this rhetoric. You probably won’t know when it happens, but there are real people out there hurting from the mentality of Tate and his followers.
this is exactly what i'm saying!! thank you
Had to drop a friend recently due to his terrible takes on women. I hope he can get over it, but at the moment it’s too much to handle and I feel so sad that we had to come to this.
@@mackenziewalker2159 what was the take 💀
Tate is to men as what feminism is to women, they're both toxic sides of the opposite spectrum, its pretty obvious to see
@@mackenziewalker2159 you're soft asf but yes I get it
Please stop with the victim blaming of "fatherless behavior" Noel it's something you've said alot and it really frustrates me to be honest. Not having a dad looks different to everyone and women are constantly put down for this. It's strongly rooted in misogyny which you really need to get away from man.
But “fatherless behavior” is a real issue for both men and women. If the father was around and being a good father they’ed teach their sons how to be real men and be respectful same for their daughters. It’s not victim blaming it’s a real issue. Yes not every fatherless child will turn out the exact same but the majority will that’s why it plays such a big part in society now
@@danib712 it more so is abandonment issues. Losing a mother or father is hard for any child. Men should already know how to "treat a woman" regardless because it's about treating human beings right. Just because a father is gone doesn't mean a child is destined to just not treat women right.
Right like using the illogical “daddy issues” trope isn’t any less funny because he’s talking about a guy. Its still gross
@@danib712 but the people who are the butt of the jokes are the supposed abandoned children, not the fathers who abandoned them. And that’s not fair
why r u watching a comedy podcast if u cant take a joke?
noel, please know that no matter what you say next week about how what you said “came off the wrong way” or whatever, we got your message loud and clear. disappointing
@@franzwagner387 Probably will depending on his response.
Then stop watching. The other fans will enjoy. Lmao.
I love when Cody was giving input trying to make sure his friend realized what he was saying but Noel was just morbid about it all
Noel doing some serious gymnastics to dismiss Tate as non-threatening, first with the what-about-isms and then completely yanking out the goalposts with the climate armeggedon shit. Tate is physically abusive and traffics women for his OnlyFans brothel. You shouldn't be saying a single word to defend this guy. I totally get the discussion around why he got famous so quickly and how he's being platformed for clout, but you should absolutely not diminish the potential harm of his words and also should be mindful of his prior actions.
@KcAfterHours he made it seem justified when it’s not. it was very hard to watch as a woman who’s watched them for years, and i know im not the only one. think before you speak hate and sit down.
i’ve been watching you guys since i was 11, and being a 16 year old girl hearing ppl that i have watched for 5 years talk so casually about what tate is doing is sickening, noel i know you’re engaged to one of the most amazing women, but yet hearing you say that what andrew is doing isn’t that bad and it’s just for boys that are looking for a strong male figure in their life is genuily horrendous, imagine aleena encountering them same men that glorify andrew and think that women are nothing more than dirt under their feet and nothing but objects, you cant just “swipe” that away. It’s terrifying being a woman this day and age and yet ppl like tate are making this world so much worse for women he’s not even saying “fuck bitches get money” he is conditioning young men to think that they OWN women and can control what ever they do. Hope you get ur shit together next episode noel bc this really did take you off the pedestal i’ve put you on for years. On a brighter note i genuily love how cody handled this episode, love you both.
it’s so upsetting that we have to bring aleena into some hypothetical situation to try and get through to noel :( love them both but this episode was so hard to listen to
well said
@@planetaryray7119 wow this comment is so fucking true. noel does value his smaller male audience more than he values us, i can’t believe it took me this long to realize it.
@@oatmilkoatmilk5310 you HAVE to huh? You just HAVE to get after Aleena so your unhealthy parasocial relationship doesn’t fall apart when you realize they might think differently then you imagined
@@thehabit635 wtf? is wrong w u
thanks to cody for standing up to noel for once. usually neither of them have any back bone
i’m just sad because i’ve been a fan of y’all for a while and basically hearing that there are “bigger issues” than a very popular internet personality influencing the mindsets of men to genuinely hate women is very upsetting. yes the world is burning but why do we have to support those that want to burn us women? sad because i’ve always looked up to y’all as creators that weren’t afraid to call out bullshit, yet this wasn’t addressed? it may not seem like a big deal to you, but trust me when i say it’s a big deal to us. the anti-women rhetoric that’s being pushed online and literally everywhere else has got to stop and it really doesn’t help when creators like yourselves use your platforms like this to basically just say oh well who cares. please address this further, it’s really not a good look especially for your primarily female audience.
They’re take on Tate was actually very disappointing, I expected better, especially from Noel. We can’t just act like it’s okay, this is a serious situation because even if it doesn’t affect you it does have an impact on certain people so you have to make sure to spread the correct message.
wow cry about it please
Your "correct" message is an opinion.
I dont think noel ever said it was okay
Why are you saying their take? Cody didn’t say anything controversial he pushed back against Noel dismissing Tate
boohoo
Damn noel is really going the distance with that joker impression
Best comment.
RIP
Damn that’s a helluva comment lmao
Dm me, you won 💯
Lmaoooooooo
The fact that Noel thinks Tate has charisma.... Wouldn't leave him alone with my drink
So dumb. You can claim someone is charismatic and a bad person. Obama is crazy charismatic, didn’t stop him from ordering drone strikes on civilians and hospitals.
I’m sure Noel is heartbroken
You missed the point. Hitler had charisma, a lot of bad people have charisma. This is why they can influence the minds of impressionable people, like young men.
@@sheepshitter Exactly, you dont have to be a good person to have charisma
you’re lying to yourself if you believe the most famous human on the planet had no charisma
both cody and noel severely underestimate how many women they have in their audience.
im really disappointed with noel’s take on andrew tate. people don’t realize how dangerous it is to give someone like tate a platform. misogyny isn’t something people just “grow out” of, it sticks. his fans lack the maturity and intelligence to realize the things he says are wrong. then they go on to believe that the way they think is correct. tate’s misogyny and anti-women rhetoric isn’t something people should gloss over/ignore. it’s a serious issue.
and i completely agree with cody. there’s nothing wrong with giving men confidence, but when it comes to treating women like shit that’s crossing the line.
and even if they do grow out of it there is a period where they are actively harming young girls who have to deal with their misogyny
I was really stoked to see Noel light Andrew Taint up when I saw the ep title, but unfortunately that didn’t happen at all. I’m a gal who’s been here since vine and huge fan of Noel. That won’t change, but this fucking bummed me out. Roast his ass next time please.
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ANDREW TAINT IM DYING you’re so funny
@@jordanneilson7782 cool guy alert!!!
my feelings exactly
Yeah. I was so excited to hear him completely shit on him…
As a woman who’s been supporting them for years now this was super disappointing to hear, of course as a man it’s easy for noel to just say “who cares” bc this type of mind set doesn’t effect him the way it effects us. a lot of men downplay the harmful influence this type of mindset has on young boys. we care bc it’s terrifying to know that that there are lots of men that think the way tate does and that there’s even more men that agree with it. this man thinks women are property and talk about them as if they don’t matter. he only went to Romania bc their r*pe laws are looser than in the US and also has multiple s*x trafficking allegations against him. you guys constantly make fun of people on this podcast and denounce people and if you’re gonna do that to anyone it should have been tate. you have younger women that watch you, use your platform for good and spread the right messages. super disappointed in you.
he never said women are his property
@@nkoppa5332 he literally did and if you weren’t so dumb you coulda looked up multiple videos of him saying that before you replied to me 😘
There was a guy who used to hang out at my local train station and he would always try and flirt with girls and follow them. He was following some kind of programme called "Lay in a day" as he kept telling everyone. He followed my friend home and she called the police. They didn't do anything and he ended up murdering a woman
Noel having that take doesn't surprise me at all tbh. I just love the podcast so I tried to look past Noel's dismissive attitude. I think Cody would have had a stronger stance if Noel showed even a little support to the idea that Tate is dangerous. I appreciate Cody trying to tell Noel that Tate is not a good guy but it honestly just looks like Noel is convincing Cody that it's not that deep, when it absolutely is. Worst ep so far.
U won't get it cuz u are not a guy, i don't agree with tate or think he's right but as a guy i think ppl like him are Necessary and i understand why they do exist, and ppl that pay attention saw it coming. For the last couple of years ppl been telling men on how evil they are and how all men should die and how they should or shouldn't behave and what they should or shouldn't say and how almost they idea of a strong male is dangerous and how we shouldn't encourage men to be like that, all of that been going for the last couple of years so now you have the reaction of that tate and all the red bill people are just product of that, products of people telling men u are the problem when they didn't do anything wrong, even if u listen closely to a lot of things that tate says about for example on Monipulating women, it's the same exact Advice we've heard women give to Monipulate men in these last couple of years, again, every action has a reaction and i just hopped the reaction was healthier but hey the action at it self was toxic to begin with
@@mohammadabb481 I don’t get it and I am a guy
perfect comment, i agree.
@@stylekbender2650 that's too bad, maybe you've been outta touch
@@mohammadabb481 trust me buddy I’m not the one that’s out of touch
Yeah no, it's important to care about what Andrew is spreading to impressionable young boys. Recently, a young streamer was banned for his vulgar language against a female streamer and he sounded EXACTLY like Andrew. This shit isn't a joke and should be called out
crazy how they just skimmed over it like it’s not even worth thinking about lmao so many young dudes are getting completely coaxed into his shit, courses etc. because they’re young and looking for guidance and that’s at least 70% of Andrews demographic
@@CarlitoJuanito It just shows how misogyny isn't taken seriously, the fact that they really think it doesn't matter and Tate doesn't have an effect on people's daily lives 😬 big yikes!
I appreciate Noels pinned comment (saw it before the ep actually), but I just hope he sees that his joke about these young men learning that this "doesn't work in real world" is hinged upon the experiences of young women being traumatised by these guys and having long lasting issues as a result. These guys find out it "doesn't work" because they'll try it on young girls, who will be terrified and horrified to discover that a significant portion of young men out there view them as animals to be bartered over and conquered sexually. To critique Tate is to try and nip the problem in the bud so that these other young women don't bear the burden of teaching these men that it doesn't work. Personal experience: I was SA'd by a man who believed in the same things Tate spouts, and thought I owed him sex. I haven't been able to be intimate with a man since, I have delved into self harm, and I'm generally frightened of men as a result of that experience. This rhetoric has real world consequences and while I enjoy this podcast thoroughly, I think choosing to include these clips is just horrifically tone deaf. Noel, you say you had a longer conversation that was cut down, which I accept but it echoes of "it wasn't me, it was the editing." You are still the cohost and its up to you to approve what goes in. I fear for the young girls who will be assaulted or harassed by Tate followers before these followers realise it "doesn't work." It is not our responsibility to fix men, and even joking about it is really hard to hear from someone who's content I enjoy.
@@RealElongatedMuskrat bad take sorry Noel doesn’t support tate and he’s not saying the only way men find out this is bullshit is by literally assaulting women. There’s tons of ways and the biggest way they find out is people generally avoid them and their shorty attitudes and they become incels. From there they can either improve themselves or keep being shitty but to say like Noel is making lite of women being assaulted is such a reach dude
@@iheartlreoy8134 generally avoiding them means coming in contact with them and being freaked the fuck or by it and having it built up in the minds of the person on the receiving end that there's a significant volume of guys out there like this, the more the they interact with them. At least.
Noel’s apology as well as take on this video is so disappointing to me. He says that the video was edited but it’s a podcast so it’s really not that heavily edited, the fact that this video is over an hour long and he really didn’t denounce his misogyny in any way is crazy to me.
Backtracking.
you use the "issa joke" justification with a lot of confidence as a guy who thinks 'fatherless behaviour' is peak humor
I said this in a reply but: the act of “ignoring” or “unmatching” men who are gross to you to you is not as simple as it sounds. nor does it keep them from going on to be gross to the next woman! not to mention the potential escalation into violence. it doesn’t give me much comfort that they’ll look like a loser when they try to pick up women, we’ll still have to deal with their harassment
If only every guy was super hot right? The only creepy hot guy in history is Ted bundy
perfectly said!
yet, a dude unmatches you or says no thanks and youre marching in the streets with a protest sign and have an episode of law and order svu based off your story
@@TG-tc8lu are you okay??? take a walk, buddy, damn.
@@TG-tc8lu bro you’ve never turned anyone down you bottom of the barrel no standard having bathroom sink water drinker
Tate is a perfect example of the fact that not all “successful” people should be admired
Beta
@@sebastiankatis9505 how much do you bench
@@sebastiankatis9505 whens the last time a girl talked to you lmao
@@yuehan6711 this don't suit you with your anime pfp 😭😭
@@Altair-El-Haddad lmao i'm in college and asian all the hot chicks i'd date watch anime. Also that's not anime that's from a game.
The anti women rhetoric is dangerous and literally puts more women at risk. Tate talks about beating women and putting his hands on them and influences his followers to do it too. He straight up said if your gf is nagging you that you just gotta slap her around to shut her up. He even talked about putting a knife to a woman’s throat to shut her up. I’m honestly disappointed in the guys especially Noel. Your fan base is majority women
The thing is, followers of Tate aren't going to go out into the 'real world' and instantly lose the misogyny they've grown up thinking is ok cause of Tate. They're just entering a system/workforce which is already broken with regards to matters of gender, and it gives them the power to treat all women around them like that. The issue with men like Tate, Jordan Peterson or the guys on various alpha podcasts is that they're teaching young guys that their success and stature is directly linked to the devaluation of minorities (women, members of the LGBTQ+ community and people with disabilities). It IS the sort of mindset from the 70s that's still nurtured and exists today (with a much larger platform), which is why major events like the striking down of Roe vs. Wade has happened.
Yes absolutely agreed. I can’t believe people are so deluded to think that their entertainment has no bearing on how they think and act in the world. Movies, tiktoks, news, it all makes real influence on real people and to think that you are so individual and so big brained that it doesn’t effect you is crazy.
To this point, I had a coworker who liked to spread this Tate brand of bigotry and, no surprise, he never believed the women in his life when they told him they had been SA’d. Close friends of his, he would dismiss and mock because he genuinely believed that women were inherently deceivers and blah blah blah. The harm these attitudes do to actual marginalised people and to society at large is very very tangible.
I want to think Noel was just feeling a little cynical this episode but the overall tone was painful to listen to. Disappointing.
This reply is so insightful. Thank you for it ❤️
? HR departments fire anyone who doesnt completely pretend to swallow all of the progay feminist shit what the fuck are you taalking about
I know y'all will talk about this next week, but there was obviously some ignorance about how this will impact young men and boys. I actually see you two as positive male role models and I'm glad you have a 50/50 audience. The internet, both fortunately and unfortunately, is a very powerful tool. Yeah... Anyways the rest of the comments can explain some of the discrepancies in knowledge of the female experience so I'm sure there'll be an update to this :)
exactly what i'm saying. they have a platform so they should use it to spread a positive message to their audience.
@@oceanmichelle I mean I don't mind the edginess. But they definitely seem ignorant to the cultural experience of women and queer people sometimes
@@gilly_axolotl neither do i! i love watching them bc to me it's a break from the internet taking everything too srsly. but i agree they def should've taken this situation srsly. esp bc it's harmful to women
Can it bub
@@SchizSchool ?????
I understand why people are upset with Noel, but why are so many people surprised that they agree with Cody? Does Cody really have that many bad takes?? I have yet to see Cody have a similarly awful take. This isn’t as bad as watching movies on your smart fridge, it’s close, but not as bad.
Yeah this is confusing. The worst I have seen is Cody is a little light on rich people, which can feel tone deaf considering staggering wealth inequality
right like why are people in disbelief that they agree with cody 😭
Between the two, Noel's takes are usually more inline with the average people. Cody can be a little out of touch sometimes, understandably. Noel's also usually the one with stronger takes on things whereas Cody is more of a fence sitter and likes to avoid conflict. Its reverse in this video
I could be completely wrong but I’ve notice mostly men are saying that to be honest maybe Cody is more popular with women? 🤷🏻♀️ also Noel talks more then Cody maybe that ? Idk super weird.I think Cody is so sweet and smart.
The worst take I’ve seen Cody have is saying slurs in videos a few years ago
Noel said “who cares if misogynistic influencers make teenage boys and young men treat women badly, doesn’t affect me 😂”
Cody’s rethinking his whole friendship w/ Noel throughout this video bahaha
You have to watch the whole Hasan debate. The victory was Tate being absolutely speechless and immediately resorted to kicking him off the show because he was "boring" when he didn't have nothing to combat what Hasan said when he backed him against a corner.
Not to mention that the entire stream was him debating very boring people. But he could resort to making fun of their appearance and beta-ness, while he couldn't resort to that defense mechanism with Hasan and ran away like a coward when he didn't get emotional enough to strong-man him
@@Flexsauce lol staph the cap. hasan got kicked. Lol if he really won yall wouldnt have to be doing all this gaslighting. Theres not even any highlights from the debate, all the fun shit happened after he got kicked lol
@@cius2112 lmfao spot the tater tot. what's your affiliate code Ive always wanted to be a top G 🔥🔥🔥💯💯💯
@@cius2112 my feelings don’t care about your facts
@@cius2112 straight gaslighting bro😭 these libs won’t even admit that empirical evidence is bunk🤡🤡
I appreciate Cody’s push back on how toxic tate is, even if it leads to tate trying to box him. (Sarcasm)
Cry about it.
What do you mean by clout, the guy has almost 3 million followers on insta and a massive online presence. Dudes an absolute horrible person but lets not act like hes some unknown figure
@@elisomerster939 putting him on tmg is casting a net for a bigger audience that hasn't seen him prior. Are you aware of how exposure and publicity works?
@@Tanwolly get ratioed magic boy.
@@higoodbye7545 Nah. Everybody knows who he is at this point. The platforming argument has a limit.
I've watched this podcast for so long. This one was pure pain. First because I skip every single Andrew Tate content on the internet. Second was to see Noel afraid of the backslash from Tate's audience and not from his own.
same I had to stop watching it was so painful for me as a woman
Went into this video knowing who Tate was. Heard Noel’s take on him and thought “…. maybe i’m thinking of the wrong person” because i thought there’s no way Noel would shrug off all the tr*fficking shit going on with him like that. Turns out i was thinking of the right person, which is really disappointing. To pretend men influenced by Tate won’t go on to *actually* hurt women irl is incredibly ignorant. I really hope Alena rips you a new one for this lol
i didn’t really laugh at all during this episode tbh. i think y’all need to have more women on set or invite more female guests on the podcast. it’s sort of mind boggling to sit here as y’all brush off misogyny and the dangers of anti-women rhetoric.
props to cody for trying tho
Wait have they ever had a female guest on?? Just realised i can't think of one
The only women that I can think of that have been on tmg studios have been on the other shows they produce (Brooke and Connor, Ben and Emil) I can’t remember one being on this one
Idk if this is a joke or not
@@looby-loo brooke from b&c make a podcast
Not to Kid Cudi this but there's definitely a bigger picture to Tate. Millions of boys and men who view women as property and subhuman leads to violence against women. Even if it's just one, any is unacceptable. Noel is being really dismissive of a wider issue. Its easy to say women will ignore men like this but plenty of women will tell you that men will pretend to be someone they're not until one day they reveal themselves to be just like Tate. Also Tate is talking to teen boys who are talking to teen girls who aren't all going to just "unmatch" them because its a whole different level of maturity and social pressure than being a grown woman. Plus a lot of these grown men aren't going for the grown women anyway.
also, the act of “ignoring” or “unmatching” men who are gross to you to you is not as simple as it sounds. nor does it keep them from going on to be gross to the next woman! not to mention the potential escalation into violence. it doesn’t give me much comfort that they’ll look like a loser when they try to pick up women, we’ll still have to deal with their harassment
While Tate's message can be very problematic and your concerns that his effect on young men and teenage boys could be harmful to the women they interact with are understandable,
Tate is merely a symptom of a much larger and extremely complicated problem. There are not enough good masculine role models for young men and teenage boys.
Andrew Tate is the the physical embodiment of what the progressive world calls toxic masculinity but simply defining him as problematic, toxic or dangerous overlooks any of the good he does for young men E.g. building confidence and allowing men to be proud of being men.
Strong, hard working, self confident men are a good thing for everyone.
Although his message is deeply flawed Tate is inspiring men to be these things and it is important that we acknowledge where he has merit as well as where he is problematic.
And I believe that is what Noel was trying to do.
The real solution to the demand for people like Andrew Tate is to provide young men with better masculine role models.
@@IZZY-hi2gq I don’t think he’s TELLING men to hit women. I think he’s encouraging a mindset that does not view women as people who should be respected. That is a mindset that leads to violence. I’m not saying there are not additional issues at play but Tate is not a neutral influence. He validates these dangerous mindsets.
@@joshbotha283 he’s not instilling real confidence only superiority. If your confidence is based on being better than other people it isn’t confidence. Maybe that’s not how you take it but I’ve seen that’s it’s how many will.
Agree that men need more positive role models, this is a continuation of a larger problem, men should be allowed to feel strong and confident, but I will be overlooking the “good” because his harm is far more impactful and destructive.
Many of the good positive role models get bulldozed as “soft” or “simps” by people like Tate and his followers
@@anayaking850 I want to ask questions about confidence: why can't your confidence be based on being better than people in different areas? Can confidence be based on your achievements + being better than other people, (and if not, why)?
just a quick note for women: YOU DO NOT HAVE TO LOVE A MAN INTO NOT HATING WOMEN. I feel like Noel was joking with that comment but just putting it out there because its something that I could have done with a couple years ago.
Cody constantly has to fight to keep his cohosts in line bro