‘Serious’ lmao aka being scared of being cancelled and couldn’t address the subject more than 8 minutes after talking about the guy for 2-3 episodes..We do not like or support Andrew’ ‘we apologies’ lmfao.. that was poorly executed and way too late of a response. Especially if their GF were getting harassed. They got a little taste of being on the other side of a ‘that’s cringe’ collateral damages. ;)
Considering the fact that one of the major points to reiterate from last week was that women do not exist in order to heal or do the emotional labor for men it’s a shame that ppl were harassing Aleena about the pod. Aleena isn’t responsible for Noel’s comments and actions. Thank you for addressing people’s concerns guys. I really appreciate it. I think it’s going to take a lot more men to speak up about toxic misogyny in order to get people to listen to what a lot of us have been talking about for a while.
It’s so funny reading like 10 super intense/emotional comments in a row and then one person commenting in between about their chipotle order that got stolen
It’s refreshing to hear Noel clarify his position and take the criticism to heart and be genuine rather than bitch about cancel culture and being targeted by fans and all that nonsense. You guys are good people.
@@actuallyimnotreallysureyet6360 I don’t know who is mocking feminists, but I highly doubt they are Noel’s fans. And Noel can do is try and cultivate a positive environment by speaking out against toxic influencers and fans like he just did. It’s not really fair to expect him to sit and police the chat all day like a Twitch streamer; he’s not. It’s also kinda unfair to expect them to speak out about every statement Tate has made; he’s an awful person and not fun to watch and the guys aren’t fans of his nor should they be. It’s unequivocal where they stand on his views and asking them to say more about it is unfair, in my opinion.
@@actuallyimnotreallysureyet6360 this is why people don’t apologize. cancel culture only comes after people that care about being better and growing. the more you apologize the more it comes after you. notice that the people that never apologize or care about the criticism are doing perfectly fine
Noel hit the nail on the head. The biggest issue I had with the conversation last week, as well as what I saw mostly within the comments, was more just on the level of ignorance. I feel like most people knew u guys didn't support him, but a lot of people got confused as to how you couldn't see the impact that he already has had and it was kind of strange to see someone completely dismiss the impact that that kind of misogyny can have, even if you "deplatform him". So I personally really appreciated Noel specifically talking about that because i feel like ignorance was the main issue.
to be fair, i think a lot of non TMG fans last week piggybacked a lot of the discourse. thus a lot of other ppl in consequence jumped on the bandwagon of making it seem like Noel was an especially bad person. i hated that
bro yall are chronically online. he really hasnt had that much of an impact. everyone online thinks hes an idiot except for a pretty small group of teenage boys....(as if those boys werent already doing toxic shit before him lmfao.) like if anything its just gonna steer girls away from them, i highly doubt its gonna lead to them getting more girls and therefore acting abusive/toxic to them. yall act like girls are just the most oblivious ppl ever. 😭 if a guy is acting like andrew tate hes gonna get literally no women at all
@@Mia-jp6jj I get what you mean, but there are crazy ass dudes who react wildly over Rejection, the fear isn’t women dating these guys, the fear is the guys harassing these women. Who knows what’s gonna happen if a girl says she isn’t interested and he goes batshit calling her slurs or even hits her? That’s the huge issue, you’re gonna have these TaterTots who think they’re a “Alpha Male” and treat women as if they’re just objects. There’s gonna be an influx of internet harassment by basement neck beards who don’t leave the house, and Public harassment by guys who think they’re hot shit and literally be able to follow these women and even put them in danger.
@@Mia-jp6jj Similar to what @miraculousJJ said, yeah I don't think the fear is that toxic and abusive men will get into relationships coz you're right, women aren't dumb. The worry, for me at least, is that he is making extreme misogyny main stream, not only showing young and impressionable boys the wrong advice in disguise of support, but also reaffirming these backward idiots that may already have similar morals to tatie. He is giving these people the confidence to act disgustingly demeaning towards women, as if they are "deserving" of their love when they get rejected. This could lead to SA or assault on the women that innocently made a CHOICE, as every person should be able to. You're right, women are smarter, but we want to live in a world where women feel comfortable to say no, rather than be too scared.
I wish people could criticize content creators without taking it too far. It makes those of us who genuinely were just disappointed all look crazy and bad. Thank you for acknowledging this and I’m so sorry Aleena was harassed. She didn’t deserve that.
The ironic thing is that the women who attacked Aleena only proved Andrew Tate was correct. Attacking another woman who did nothing wrong - is that what feminists support?
I’m trying really hard to understand all the people like you. How did you not understand their positions on Tate? How could anything they have said have made you think they support him in anyway? Is it bad comprehension skills? Lack of real life social interaction? I find it insane they had to clarify their position. Please enlighten me.
@@urheehoo what are you talking about? you clearly have issues listening and comprehending. It’s very obvious they did not have a neutral stance on Andrew Tate. You should probably do something to improve your comprehension level.
I think the problem was (and still is) that with someone like Tate, who presence is actively malicious and doing damage, it’s not enough to not support. He must be met with opposition. I would’ve liked to hear that from the guys but honestly I’d rather they never bring him up again.
exactly that's what i was looking for last episode, some clarification that they agree tate is flat out a bad dude and that the shit he says isn't ok. not hearing that flat out leaves it feeling a bit murky, even though they stated that they didn't support it. just feels higher stakes when it's something so vile. glad they have listened and clarified this episode :)
This. Not addressing how actively dangerous he is makes me feel let down personally. The perspective of a woman is missing here to truly understand how scary it is to think about the young boys who are full of anger and see his content and then take it out on women. There are real life consequences that I don’t think they understand.
But if they don’t support him then obviously they don’t agree? I hate this kind of talk. “If you don’t do anything, then obviously you agree and are just as bad”
@@thehabit635 I was more so saying that it upset me personally that these people I’ve watched and listened to for years couldn’t seem to understand how dangerous it is for a woman like myself. Just my own feelings, which I commented because that’s what the comments are for, nobody else has to agree:)
Firstly, I’m really sorry people have been harassing Aleena. That’s inappropriate and not ok. Secondly, i didn’t understand all the people saying that they knew y’all were “bad people” and they were just waiting for confirmation. As a woman who engages with your content regularly, y’all are of the few men i feel comfortable following closely. I was disappointed last week, but I appreciate and respect y’all for recognizing the ignorance in what y’all were saying. Thank you for viewing this situation with empathy and understanding, even if people didn’t give that to y’all.
It was not that serious for any of this stuff. The reality is that a lot of today’s women are bullying men and looking down on them, causing men to have resentment towards them. So this ideal that Tate is causing or will cause young men to look down on women. No today’s women is to blame. If Tate is a horrible man. Why are beautiful woman still having sexual relationships with him. They know who he is and his belMen like Tate win and will continue to win because of women I’m actually ok with women wanting a man like Tate. What I’m not ok with is women mistreating men and making it ok.
i was nervous about how you guys were gonna talk about this, but only because i love y'all so much. but this was smart, empathetic and introspective, thank you for listening to us and not dismissing what was felt last week. we love you.
@And so it begins they called him a peace of shit multiple times. i think they danced around it last time, but this time i think they genuinely took everything from a different perspective.
anyone else just find out cody is friends with an alleged rpst from duke??? sickening to see as a survivor for this to not even be addressed:/ i was a big fan for a while but they lost me that’s so fucked
The part that bothered me the most was all the comments saying “what did you expect from a frat dude from Duke” or “Noel always gave that vibe…are you dumb?” Just felt like randoms stroking their own ego like look at me I’m smarter than all of you! I’m glad they addressed this correctly.
yes!!!!! and it was always people that didn't really watch their content. was driving me crazy, because it was always clear to me they weren't supporters.
I feel like anyone can get an “asshole vibe” from just about any commentary CZcamsr because their job is more or less to make fun of things. There’s nothing wrong with not liking a specific CZcamsr but acting like it’s because they’re probably secretly an asshole is so fucking obnoxious. You could tell it got to Noel a bit that there were people saying they “weren’t surprised”
Fr, because I was surprised. Everyone kept saying “ They ripped into girl defined, but not Andrew Tate” as if they haven’t gone after several misogynists for similar comments in the past.
I've seen yall go hard on someone for way less so it confuses me why your criticism of him was so light. He's such a huge influence over young men. I get the impulse to ignore him, but unfortunately we don't have that luxury. Women don't have that luxury. I appreciate you taking on the criticism and I know you're good people.
You as a woman can absolutely ignore Andrew Tate. You DO have that luxury. And I think you should do that, because all this controversy about him is only getting his name out there MORE. If there weren't SO many normies talking about how evil he is, he wouldn't be HALF as big as he is right now.
@@Xvladin you should really see the kind of support he has. It's frightening. It's not about us as women ignoring him, it's about the sheer amount of young boys that get influenced by this. So it's easy for you to say just ignore him. But that's not gonna solve any problem. He still influences people.
@@irakulkarni5445 "you should really see the kind of support he has. It's frightening" Do you have any research or statistics to back these claims up? I keep seeing people saying this shit, but I never actually see anyone who believes in what he says.
@@peacemaster8117 “research or statistics” LMAO bro this is internet beef please just touch grass. Nobody owes you a dissertation on the dissemination of misogyny. How about just use critical thinking on your own for once.
@@peacemaster8117 it’s really easy, just look at any of his social media and you’ll see how many supporters he has, look at all the “sigma male” accounts that post him
In that ep you didn’t say you support Tate but you didn’t explicitly say you don’t support him. Cody even prompted Noel to say he didn’t agree with him and Noel still didn’t make it clear. I think that’s where some confusion was. This ep was a great way to clear it up, as a woman I really appreciate it. Makes me feel more safe.
Thank you for calling out the guys in the comments being misogynistic, rude, and condescending to people raising concerns last episodes in the comments.
I really appreciate how you guys addressed the situation, it seemed extremely sincere and I'm glad you understand how the last video came off. Also, I think it's really unfair how people just harassed Aleena over this. She had nothing to do with it.
As someone who’s watched TMG for years and thoroughly enjoyed hearing the topics they covered, that Tate one was rough. The clarification was much appreciated and much needed, especially during a time when women have been facing discriminating issues like Roe v Wade. That’s why support from male creators is important, not bc we want a “ahhh fuck Tate” from you guys, but to also set an example for your male viewers. It was deeply heartbreaking seeing the split in the fan base and that’s the part that was MOST hurtful because this place felt fun and safe for everyone to hang out and laugh. I hope we can get back to that and learn from one another - I love our TMG gang
@@rthanejehxbejws What threw people off based on posts, comments, and TikTok’s, was the nonchalance (more so from Noel) about the whole thing and specifically when Cody asked him “Are you anti-Tate?”, Noel said “No I’m not anti-Tate” (even Cody looked uncomfortable). If they were joking, people didn’t take that as a joke and if you read other comments many say they wanted/needed that clarification because it was such a turn from how they usually go about discussing shitty creators. Maybe you felt like it was a joke and are going to respond “well it was clear to me”, but it seems like a lot of people didn’t know what to make of it. My tone is not at all mean btw, I’m just putting down what I’ve observed and why I made my post. 👍
Sorry but how can you claim to watch them for years and still couldnt guess that noel is being noel and not giving a fuck about that (people labeled him as a supporter too) I understand that from people watched it only a few things of them and take him as arrogant ass. But of people watching tmg for long time, it made no sense to me that how those people are confusing him not giving a shit about him to being tate supporter.
@@daniyalmujtabaA lot of other longtime fans felt this way, not just me. Never said anything bad against Noel, only pointed out why people reacted why they did to his commentary. I imagine you won’t like my comment regardless, but actually read it without being angry and accuse me of “not being a fan”. Fans are allowed to say “hey I didn’t like how you went about that” and all the comments show that (not just mine). Nothing I’ve said is negative and if you feel a certain way about MY specific post I don’t know what to tell you other than to read the other comments and understand why people needed this video. Take it easy 👍
leave it to noel to give a heart felt explanation over some serious stuff then follow it with *took a brutal shit this morning* love u boys thank u for acknowledging the severity of the tumor that is andrew tate
Only a few minutes in, & just wanted to say it’s really cool how you guys took the time to address all of this & look at it from the other perspective for women. I personally never noticed a problem w/ last week’s podcast, until I saw the comments & could see why people were upset, but not to the point of regarding y’all as Tate supporters. Anyways, glad y’all are so real & addressed all of this.
Same. I had no problems with the podcast. I understood they were against him and did view him as a danger. But how they verbalize their thoughts (especially Noel), the ideas did come out and their thoughts on Tate may seem as sympathetic. I know some people were saying that they went hard on Girl Defined, but I didn't think that is comparable given 1)the time difference and 2)the medium of information (scripted/edited video vs a podcast). However, reading the comments I can understand how some people were disappointed. But I think its important to realize that they (specifically Noel) addressed the comments and their opinions. But Noel does bring up a good point, which is do not harass other people because you do not agree with someone. That just makes viewers appear bad and hypocritical.
Nah, I wasn’t excited to find out you’re bad people. I was disappointed seeing that the guys I *know* are good people and I know *take* feminist standpoints to have such a massive blind spot. I’ve been watching you for four years now and the video that drew me in was Cody talking about how misogynistic IG comedians are. You’re a breath of fresh air, because you proof again and again that you’re not bad people. This is the reason your fan base is 50% women: we can trust you with those issues and that’s why it was so out of character.
@@user-ym6pu4vn4t I don’t think most people were turning on them, most of us were giving constructive criticism, I would never stop watching these guys
Wow the way that they addressed things was honestly so refreshing and needs to be an example to others. Yet another moment that has made me respect and appreciate these guys even more than I already did
This is more or less unrelated, but I feel like Cody has really had a glow up in the last few months. Not even just like "Oh he looks betterrrr" but like he looks happier and I feel like he is just back to glowing like he did when I first started watching him. Confidence is the way to boost yourself and I feel like that is coming back too. I'm glad to hear that he has been working on himself and I like seeing that progress!
“I thought it was crazy how much influence he has right now, but I guess we didn’t unpack that in the right way.” Perfectly summed it up. I commented last week about my issue with the discussion, and I appreciate you guys a lot for saying this. I know you are good people and do not support him, but I do thank you for acknowledging your misstep. A lot of content creators would turn their back to “controversy” like this, so you addressing this makes me respect you even more. I am terribly sorry that Aleena has been harassed because of this, though- that is absolutely not okay. I’m sorry that some people stooped to that low level, and I hope she is doing okay.
As a woman who enjoys comedy, I can’t express how much I appreciate this. A lot of the time I turn a blind eye to comedians who low-key say problematic shit cause if I didn’t, id be missing out on a large percentage of comics and content that’s genuinely funny, even if a shithead wrote it. It’s also just exhausting. There’s levels to it, and this shows that even when you guys are obviously joking, you know when there is a boundary that has to be highlighted, so I really appreciate you guys not only listening, but respecting, even for sentiments that aren’t intentional. Personally, I can understand noel and his thoughts on Tate and coverage on him, and it’s clear that it wasn’t to sympathize with Tate and his audience, but to reduce his influence.
i really relate to what you said about turning a blind eye! I'm definitely used to just feeling a bit disappointed by male comedians at times but kind of just letting it go because it wasn't malicious, just a dumb or uninformed comment. to hear cody and noel actually hear us out and take accountability was really heartening and refreshing!
i’m glad noel recognised his own ignorance, i just wish guys could think about the impact these ideas have on women, our safety, and our general lives, without having to be called out on it by thousands of people.
I agree but also they are human I was disappointed with the last ep but this one really did help bring some clarity and everyone makes mistakes. Sometimes you say something and don’t expect people to take it how they did or you don’t realize that what you said could be ignorant. And that doesn’t mean it’s okay but that means that I feel like a real apology and an explanation can fix that and makes it able to be forgiven and help you grow as a person instead of just having the same view.
People aren’t perfect. They clarified, apologized sincerely, and brought some value to the discussion by their quite mature reaction. Let it go, they seem like they learned from it.
This is so ridiculous. They didn't say they liked Andrew Tate. They talked about him negatively and somewhat neutrally. You're just looking for reasons to be upset. Do you genuinely believe that their conversation has any impact on "the safety of women"? Didn't they specifically say Tate was misogynistic? Why is this discussion about Andrew Tate the most harmful thing they talked about, to the point that they HAVE TO address it and regurgitate your opinion about him very very specifically? Doesn't Amazon cause more harm than Andrew Tate? By FAR? But there's never an uproar about how they talk positively about Amazon, just Tate... why is that? If it's really about avoiding harm to the world then wouldn't it be WAY more important that they talk about how Amazon is bad? Wouldn't that be a way bigger deal than Tate? Please explain!
i don't think fans were really worried about if you support andrew tate - i generally trust yall to be decent people, but to me the issue was more just that moderate teen boys might have listened to the last episode and had the impression that men like andrew tate aren't "that" harmful or underestimated how dangerous those behaviors are. not that boys who listened to the episode would actually do them, but that it would contribute to them being less critical or aware of those actions in other men, which ofc is dangerous for us. as a young woman, i really do appreciate the awareness and apology - i thought your last episode actually had some insightful takes, but just lacked clarity, which was the harmful part, and everybody misspeaks or messes up sometimes. dw about it. in the future, i hope you're more aware of your audience and more clearly denounce harmful things before having discussions about them.
Right, and you can also disagree with people who are saying crazy shit in the comments. There was so much push-back in the comments because half the TMG fanbase is actually sane and wants to call out fake outrage when they see it.
I've watched these dudes for years, by far my favorite podcast/group of people. Last week's podcast was merely a mistep in talking about something people take so seriously, they took accountability and apologized. best for the community to leave it at that, and not attack them personally when they try so hard to be the best for their audience. they don't like tate, theyve made that clear. they are what I think to be perfect examples of men that I want to be like in my life. Noel is a comedian, Cody is a comedian. they are fine in my book
@@joshf4198 they literally didnt say anything. everyone that tried to cancel them didnt even listen to the podcast stg lmfao. cuz at first people were saying that noel supported him, then they got proven wrong, so they changed their argument like four times cuz their claims kept getting debunked lmfao
@@Mia-jp6jj if you had a brain and could read you would see that people were giving them constructive criticism. But since parasocial relationships have rotten your brain you seem to think you know these two. It’s embarrassing stand up.
It’s really cool they’re addressing this. I’m really proud of everyone having their opinions and not just following whatever Noel and Cody say and going along with it. That being said, Alena being harassed is unnacceptable, and I don’t support it. I never thought they supported Andrew Tate but also, I think considering the allegations against him and his harmful mindset, they should’ve been harsher on him and not danced around it as much.
@And so it begins any other ‘influencer’ would ignore this whole situation. so the fact they’re addressing it is actually ‘really cool’. the fact they’re owning what they said and correcting what they meant
@And so it begins bare minimum is addressing it with a quick pinned comment under last weeks video. Actually sitting down and honestly reflecting over your ignorance and laying out how you came to a more nuanced opinion for your audience should be the ideal.
I never thought that you were supporting him and I knew that it was all coming from a place of good intention. It was definitely how it was discussed and kind of the blind spots that were shown that made me annoyed and sad, which I think was addressed really well here. Also, thank you for calling out the shitty dudes in the comments. Really, really angry that Aleena was being harassed, that's ridiculous. To even bring it up to her is so weird. That even feels kind of ironically sexist to hold her responsible for her male partner's words. Not okay at all.
@And so it begins that was a bad comment on his part but the point he was trying to make is that the more attention tate is given good or bad, the more mindless followers he gets
@And so it begins Don't get me wrong, I'm not okay with what Noel said. I think it was thoughtless and insensitive. I think he was trying to say that we should maybe not platform Tate further, a take that was bad and outside of his lane. If this was about someone spewing anti-Asian sentiments then that would be outside *my* lane, as I'm not Asian. I am a woman though and I accept this apology. If you do not want to accept Noel's apology, that's ok, no one is saying you have to.
@And so it begins have you watched the podcast for long? do you realize they are joking around for nearly all of it? I think your taking it too seriously and honestly sound like you came from twitter. are you even an avid watcher of this podcast? you sure don’t sound familiar with Noel’s humor. the stuff he said that was actually out of line he apologized for.
@And so it begins i think you aren’t familiar with the podcast and jumping on some bandwagon instead of deciding for yourself. Also calling someone out by sort of shaming them for their opinion because of your opinion that’s probably not even your own is making you look silly. definitely not accomplishing what you wanted to. you can’t force your opinion on others. you clearly aren’t familiar with noel & cody and your misinterpreting what happened. I wonder if you even watched that podcast.
I was taken aback by the implications of last weeks episode like a lot of people, and I’m glad it got talked about both by fans and by them. Hearing this clarification was great. It didn’t feel like he was walking anything back either, just genuinely listening and gaining an understanding of why what he said was alarming to some people
Much respect to you dudes holding yourself accountable and willing to acknowledge your missteps. I’ve always appreciated the fact that you guys have a lot of self-awareness and humility, and this is exemplary of that.
i appreciate you guys, i didn’t even read the comments about last week but i personally felt some type of way about the last podcast too. i’m glad it was nipped in the bud and commend you guys for being honest and self-aware.
I think this controversy just shows the typical standard we expect from Noel and Cody. I guarantee there are people that are tmg fans that also engaged in the adin Ross stream or other pieces of content that laugh at tate but don’t express the dangers of his social media presence. I know Noel is hurt that he disappointed some fans but he should also be proud that he is held to a higher standard/expectation than these other influencers. It’s also highly respectable that he listened to people’s arguments in the comments and sympathised with them. To genuinely recognise your mistakes as an influencer instead of trying to defend yourself should be the bare minimum but is sadly pretty rare.
" a higher standard " (I expect this person on the internet who doesn't know me or interact with me at all to agree with me on everything all the time)
@@serpicopiu3591 I mean yeah it’s parasocial to assume your favorite cc to agree with you, but Noel across the board works with lefty content creators (his own editor is one). But it’s still confusing to those not familiar with TMG’s humor to address. Plus the dude is a literal alleged sex trafficker so I think it’s normal to be concerned if someone supports him
@@ipodtouch5963 yeah, it just has to be valid criticism. Just because your feelings were hurt and you felt like you were disrespected or whatever doesn't make you right.
Really appreciate the way you guys handled everything. I was turned off by some of the comments but also understood why others were frustrated. But ya’ll were able to be genuine and address it correctly.
What a great response. Everyone is allowed an L take every once in a while, you're only human. Taking the valid criticism in and learning from that shows your character. Really proud to be a fan ❤️ love you guys.
"valid criticism" - they were talking about a topic covered everywhere right now; you believe that justifies you soft ass weirdos attacking them (and going as far as to harass Aleena)? Conversation does not equate to endorsing the actions of the person they're talking about. How do you people actually exist?
@@SinkMMA clearly by "valid criticism" I don't mean people calling him a misogynist and attacking Aleena. I'm talking about the people who have voiced that Andrew Tate is spreading a rhetoric that is very scary and very harmful to women and the fact that they seemed to be very cavalier about that in the last episode was kind of a let down.
@@lucystevenson4951 it's not about defending specifically Noel - I disagree with the notion that discussing someone that's trending is somehow co-signing the dumbass shit that person (being Andrew Tate) says. If you've watched Cody/Noel before this, it's common sense that they don't endorse any hateful rhetoric in general, let alone specifically towards women. It's an overreaction, and if you somehow felt "unsafe" from them mentioning him on the pod, seek help
@@SinkMMA bro did you listen to literally anything he said??? It's not about them taking Andrew Tate, it's the way in which he was talked about. It's about the fact that he said people need to just ignore him and it's not a big deal and didn't take into account that he's spreading his brain cancer around and now we have to go out into the world and encounter these men that have been validated in their misogynistic views. Like have you been online lately? Have you seen all these dudes talking about how women are whores and property and shouldn't drive etc? That's the point. We're out here just trying to exist and we've got to deal with people on the daily that think we're subhuman.
Noel really fuckin listened to the comments on the last video. And seemed to really learn and understand where the criticism was coming from, and I appreciate the explanation. This is sooooooo appreciated.
Honestly people commenting on Noel's takes and explaining how it made them feel is as far as it should've went I don't agree with all the harassment and those people are no better for acting so immature and bringing in Noel's gf
@@itsBlickyyy fr like these guys are two people who have always been willing to listen & re-evaluate too, so like even if that was what they supported, they would’ve had open minds to why they’re wrong & I think that’s so important because if we just cancel people we’re never gonna make any progress and that person will never have a chance to grow either idk wtf I’m saying but it gets me upset lmao
@@laceyshanahan8655 no seriously tho. You’re speaking facts. ESPECIALLY bc these guys both have such a clean history of never even being close to misogynistic (aside from the occasional obvious dark joke) the fact that people just jumped on them like they did is really gross and while I’m all for cancelling ppl that deserve it, this is a sad byproduct of “cancel culture”
@@jelly4129 genuinely can not believe they would take it to anyone but Noel and Cody. At that point its just insane. I believe in correcting others & I believe in teaching others. I don’t believe in harassing others. It’s sick tbh
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Noel I have the upmost respect for you man. You handled this like a professional. I’m so sorry these weird assholes think harassing Aleena is somehow justified because you had a take that came off wrong. Love you guys and I wish you all the best
UGHHH i’m soooo bummed and disappointed that we didn’t get more opposition of Andrew tate by Cody and Noel. Like their whole thing was fussing people and making fun of people and criticizing them but they were unable to do that for one dude that is beyond terrible and harmful!! I’m sooo sad like they had such a good opportunity to diss him and shit on him and make fun of him. He is soo horrible like it wouldn’t have been hard. I’m also so upset about the fact that they aren’t passionately angry or annoyed from him compared to how riled up they would be on their Thats cringe episodes. the passively just doesn’t make any sense to me :((
dissing him would just be doing him a favor. tate’s entire base is built on negative attention and any crumb of recognition he is given just adds fuel to the fire.
@@m9NIz4lSgaoCr4c yes I agree with that but what i’m saying is them being neutral doesn’t do anything. This is also negative. They already brought up his name so that in of itself is putting fuel to the fire. Atleast after they mentioned him and started talking about him they could roast him and express how terrible he is with jokes and just the comedy that they usually do. They already gave him attention by already putting his name in the title. The damage is already done. Also, not only were Noel and Cody very neutral and uncaring, Noel blatantly expressed the fact that no one should care and that there are many people like Andrew Tate. This is terrible reasoning oh my gosh.. So if there are many people raping and sex trafficking women then we shouldn’t give one of those people any attention or opposition? This doesn’t make any sense. Tate has committed many inhumane crimes against women that Noel was either to ignorant to learn or worse.. KNEW but categorized Tates behavior as “nothing new.” This attitude made Noel say that what Tate is doing does not matter and he has no impact. Noel’s just whole manner and non-caring philosophy literally SCREAMS male privilege and blatant inconsiderate ignorance. It makes me so so sad i hate it i’m just disappointed
@@sanaaabouantoun4729 well the way i saw it, they were just taking the situation very seriously. isn’t that more thought-provoking than if they just clowned on him?
@@m9NIz4lSgaoCr4c they weren’t taking the situation seriously at all. Their conversation was light and they were not speaking about any serious issues. All they spoke about was how much he’s being spoken about and how no one should give him any attention. They never mentioned any of the serious things he’s done or the serious impact he has. Whatever it’s all good
People are waiting for their moment to say “I ALWAYS KNEW THIS PERSON WAS WEIRD” bcs they’re bitter and jealous that someone they’re personally not interested in or don’t find funny is doing well. It’s very lame but it makes them feel smart? special?
@@katie2353 And then started saying stuff like like ‘everybody who hasn’t seen the obvious red flags in both of their videos is an idiot’ without providing solid examples of what made them such criminally evil individuals
Rightt and from what I've seen, it always turns out that those people have only watched a few that's cringe videos of the two of them, how is that enough to form an opinion of someone?? So many people on tiktok have come out of the woodworks just to hate and get views it irks me
this is the kind of maturity and emotional intelligence that we need to approach these kinds of things with. they couldve easily gone into the pod rambling about cancel culture and bitching instead of addressing and understanding the criticism, but they didnt. very nice very good and cool
I was so pleased to hear that Noel and Cody took time to reevaluate their "take" on Andrew Tate. That meant a lot to me as someone who was wildly turned off by the way it came across last week. However I'm super appalled to hear that people have been harassing Aleena, I'm so sorry to hear that Noel. Thanks for coming back and returning to the topic after all the comments. You're both great and I appreciate your humanness, and how much work you put into entertaining us.
I just can't beleive people went on and harassed aleena and said all the shit about noel being so misogynistic, he has been against it all for so long and has preached countless times about it even when he used to stream. Just disturbing how quick people are to tear someone down, the concerns were valid in last weeks episode but this sort of outrage is just sad
That's really ridiculous. Some people just get enjoyment from shaming people when they make a mistake instead of actually having a valid criticism and wanting them to learn and grow. So sorry that happened to Aleena
‘Serious’ lmao aka being scared of being cancelled and couldn’t address the subject more than 8 minutes after talking about the guy for 2-3 episodes..We do not like or support Andrew’ ‘we apologies’ lmfao.. that was poorly executed and way too late of a response. Especially if their GF were getting harassed. They got a little taste of being on the other side of a ‘that’s cringe’ collateral damages. ;)
in before tons of dudes start calling Noel a bitch for trying to clear things up, its not lame to apologize. It's called being an adult, Noel is not on your side.
Got to get it in before the snowflakes arrive again LOL Fr tho, this is a comedy show if you guys have not realized so no need to be mad there was not a strong debate about Tate. They joked about him, what more do you want from comedians?
@@amoistyplow They are comedians whith a large audience talking about a serious issue that will affect a lot of women. Just because they are comedians doesn't mean they arent held to a standard.
damn you fuck up once and your entire character is brought into question. intentions is key. i think a lot of women feel safe here because the ignorance/ mistakes are never malicious, not because y’all are perfect and make zero mistakes. thanks for having this conversation
I mean who wouldn’t question them when they basically froth at the mouth to criticize Girl Defined but didn’t even have the slightest bit of the same energy for Andrew who is an ACTUAL danger. Seems to me like they deserved the criticism.
@And so it begins because ive listened to them for years and i dont think they are sexist this is the first time i didnt agree about how they went about something in the last episode
@@madi8586 i agree. my comment was moreso toward people who think the situation is a gotcha and get excited to find out noel and cody are actually “evil misogynists” when i do not believe that is the case as a long time follower.
@@Yasmine-jx3jo yeah I agree. I think more would’ve come out if Cody and Noel were actually sexist lol. I didn’t watch the full episode where they discussed Andrew Tate but I don’t think it came across that terribly. Plus, this just shows some ppl watch the podcast only to look for flaws, complain, and harass Aleena
Yeah no. Intention is important but thats irrelevant to the conversation here. His very ignorant take was ignorant and was a self report in that moment. People are allowed to side eye you when you dismiss the very real danger women face at the hands of men like this. Especially when they jump at the opportunity to criticize girl defined but had zero of that same energy for Andrew. Usually people character gets questioned when they do something deserving of that questioning
thank you for addressing all of this. it was a very mature conversation and i’m glad you guys had it and understand where the comments were coming from. we appreciate you guys
@@user-ym6pu4vn4t I assure you, most of the people critiquing last episode did not (and aren’t planning to) turn on Noel, we still love his content. Many were just disappointed with his tentativeness when it came to dissing Tate, which is pretty out of place for Noel’s usual addition to the podcast. I also was quite let down by last weeks ep, but I appreciate them apologizing and acknowledging how harmful tate is. It means a lot when your fan base is half (or more) male.
@Nonaya Bidness i mean at least they acknowledged it was a bad take and whatever the percentage of male viewers take from it and run with it- as a woman i can understand how it can lead into a bigger problem but we can’t rlly control how people comprehend their somewhat dry or satirical humor. i worry about misogynists and all that but when i watch them, they actually give me a comedic break from the shit that goes on everyday anyway. ur expecting too much from a podclot literally called tiny meat gang.
breaks my heart that this even happened. you guys have always brought so much joy into my life. i can see why there was some misconceptions. Thank you guys for addressing it so well and clarifying for those who needed it. Love you guys !
This was all i needed. Thank you Noel, there were woman fans who just wanted you to understand the seriousness of the problem of AT. That is all, those that took it too far, please ignore them they distract from the point we just wanted to make. Cause if we don't condem ATs misogyny it gets worse. Thank you x
@Nonaya Bidness you need to go back to human interaction and learn how real people interact. He doesn't have to say exactly what you want him to. Other women clearly feel better, are they all wrong?
@@Hoopergames dude if crypto was still poppin, Tate would be ripping off these kids. And Noel would’ve called him tf out for it instead of saying “who cares? just ignore him”
im very very glad how yall approached this one. i genuinely think noel just spoke without thinking too much and im so glad he's taking responsibility and correcting himself. much love💛
When I initially heard your thoughts about tate last week, I honestly thought it was an interesting take and didn’t think much of it- because I too agree that we just need to realize that we can ignore these people, but reading the comments on patreon got me to realize some nuance that you’d missed- but that’s exactly what you addressed in this episode. I love you guys and you always make my days and weeks better with this podcast and everything else you post, so I’m glad that you were able to deal with this in a very mature way and clarify. Sorry you have had to deal with hate over it and I’m sure this will only make you guys better creators!!
Although the criticism of the last episode was completely justified ppl have def gone overboard with it. Whether it’s bringing kesley/Aleena into it or coming up with blatant lies to paint Cody/Noel as terrible ppl, I knew they would get backlash but I didn’t think ppl would go as far as they did.
@@Hoopergames Noel literally admitted that the criticism was justified and even took it a step further by breaking down where he went wrong when talking about Tate. I don’t understand how anyone can still say this 💀
@@Tomfoolery69_ actually if you want to be "LITERAL", he said "I understand where they're coming from after reading comments and watching it back" he never said it was justified or warranted. get ur facts straight jack
I really appreciate you clarifying yourselves so eloquently, especially Noel who I think was the most misunderstood. It’s a good example of what everyone should do- take in constructive feedback, do your own reflecting, and make amends if necessary. Thank you for listening to the constructive people and I’m sorry for those who were hurtful.
i mean ive always personally felt a strong sense of genuine allyship from u two, so when the last pod happened n the comments n the tik toks i was baFFLED. thanks for addressing it and clearing stuff up
This was a great way to handle this, and i’m happy that it was addressed as i was a little troubled after the previous podcast. I can also tell Noel is very sincere about it.
Giving Noel and Cody absolute props for their discussion at the top of the episode. I can't really say or add anything onto what other people, especially other women, who are fans of yours feel about this follow up because it felt genuine, like you guys actually cared. Besides the people who took it waaaaaay too far, crossed boundaries, and completely misconstrued what was said last week (to seem even worse), this is how this situation is handled. Genuine criticism is given and in return we get a thoughtful, empathetic, and just genuine response. Thank you guys for listening and talking about this. props.
Thanks for listening and addressing it, we love you guys and only expect better from you because we care and respect you guys so much, so sorry about Aleena
The bit about evangelicals "speaking in tongues" was extremely funny, especially bc i suspect there is a large number of them that do not partake in that activity 😂😂😂
Look, it’s fine and great that they apologised, but hey here’s a suggestion; when someone’s apologising maybe don’t keep cutting them off to say “But did you say that???” Kinda makes everyone seem less genuine.
@@ratking927 Yeah, that was the implication of my comment. This whole podcast just has big "Apologising because I got caught vibes". I get the feeling Noel's feelings are a lot more in line with the previous pod than this one...
It’s so clear to see from just the first 5-9 min of this podcast episode that Noel understands exactly where they went wrong and is sympathetic and open minded to both the idea of respecting what women go through and listening to his female audience. As a Black woman, I don’t believe in handing out cookies or giving props for behavior that is bare minimum but I do appreciate seeing that from Noel. On the other hand, Cody seemed absolutely lost for words and though he states multiple times that he and they do not support Andrew Tate, he didn’t seem to understand where they both went wrong in the last episode at all. As a female supporter of you both, I have Noel’s back in this situation but not Cody’s.
Cody seems more confused than anything to me, it seems like he’s thinking people were accusing him of saying things that Noel actually said which would make sense.
I listen to you guys on my podcast app on my phone. I’ll be walking around work just doing my route and I’ll start laughing at some of the stuff you guys say and I get some pretty weird looks. But honestly worth it. You guys make the work day go by faster even if I look like I’m crazy.
i love both of you so much. genuinely. though you don’t know me you both have impacted me so much and i think you should here stuff like this more often because you both deserve the world.
seeing the amount of comments on this that are upset about them addressing the situation is really telling. goes to show just how many actual tate apologists/people who lack social proactivity in general there are, even in a community like this where the content typically promotes progressive or forward thinking takes amidst the comedy. i think addressing the situation and admitting fault is a step that a lot of people wouldnt have the guts to do. the true fans have and will continue to support based on the amount of social awareness these guys have. cody and noel, keep doing ur thing, love u both
Tate is somebody you can’t just say “fuck him” in a casual way. Tate is a misogynist, conman, even a possible sex trafficker. He’s the prime example of how algorithms bring outrage content to the top of a platform.
You absolutely can just say fuck him in a casual light. They’re not responsible to guide you to a conclusion or prove that they absolutely support what you support. They can address it however they want to. They’re not your parents they’re entertainers.
i really really hope this situation opens ur guys' eyes to how words hold so much value. andrew tate is not just some dude. he is promoting pain and harm towards women that can put women into incredibly dangerous situations. its not just some internet dude. i think the reason ppl are saying theyre not surprised this controversy happened is because you two dont take stance on things usually. which can be okay sometimes but sometimes u HAVE to take a stance. this was one of those situations. i just hope you learn from this and understand that its not just "politics". its about human lives ya know.
This is long af but i just wanted to put this out there: As a woman in her early 20s who just finally got out of a long abusive relationship - the shit andrew tate says fucking terrifies me. Every time I hear his name, all I can think of is the amount of abusers he's enabling and the type of behaviour/mindset he's encouraging. It scares me that men like my ex have such a role model. This man is playing a huge hand in putting young women in danger. BUT - that's my perspective based on my experiences, and we can't expect others to always relate to or understand that. I really don't feel that Cody and Noel deserved to be dragged or mislabeled as misogynists. While I was a little disappointed that they didn't seem to see, at the time, the harm tate causes, i can't say I was personally offended as they were simply giving their perspective on the situation as men themselves. And it breaks my heart to hear that Aleena was getting so much shit for no reason, there's really no justification for that. To see Noel so hurt over this I think really speaks to these guys' characters. I think this show is so popular with women because these guys have genuine respect for women as well as people in general - they're just good dudes and they're good at making people laugh. So thank you Noel and Cody for addressing this so well and for creating this network for all of us to enjoy. Much love to the TMG family ❤️
You’re really brave to talk about that and I hope you are doing well now. It’s awful how much people defend misogynists. The majority of Tate’s fans are young teenagers which is really harmful as it’s an awful message being put across to them, which means the woman of tomorrow will be experiencing the same treatment as women are now. Have a good morning/day/evening.
@Nonaya Bidness not everyone is completely informed on andrew’s tate’s list of crimes (there is a lot to cover) and i doubt they wanted to talk about andrew too much since they just spoke about how his presence is clearly harmful for people. replying to people and telling them they are wrong to forgive them is sad.
@Nonaya Bidness that’s not the fuckin point of the podcast. It’s not about creating awareness for every asshole in the media. They said he sucks and isn’t worth the time.
No cold open? That’s how you know it’s going to be serious
that was the cold open it just came after the intro
My thoughts exactly
i said this aloud right before reading your comment
‘Serious’ lmao aka being scared of being cancelled and couldn’t address the subject more than 8 minutes after talking about the guy for 2-3 episodes..We do not like or support Andrew’ ‘we apologies’ lmfao.. that was poorly executed and way too late of a response. Especially if their GF were getting harassed. They got a little taste of being on the other side of a ‘that’s cringe’ collateral damages. ;)
@@Odeon1970 that dude is copy pasting this everywhere he’s a troll
Considering the fact that one of the major points to reiterate from last week was that women do not exist in order to heal or do the emotional labor for men it’s a shame that ppl were harassing Aleena about the pod. Aleena isn’t responsible for Noel’s comments and actions.
Thank you for addressing people’s concerns guys. I really appreciate it. I think it’s going to take a lot more men to speak up about toxic misogyny in order to get people to listen to what a lot of us have been talking about for a while.
It’s so funny reading like 10 super intense/emotional comments in a row and then one person commenting in between about their chipotle order that got stolen
It’s refreshing to hear Noel clarify his position and take the criticism to heart and be genuine rather than bitch about cancel culture and being targeted by fans and all that nonsense.
You guys are good people.
His fans are still defending him by mocking feminists… he also didn’t address the super violent things Tate has said about women…
@@actuallyimnotreallysureyet6360 I don’t know who is mocking feminists, but I highly doubt they are Noel’s fans. And Noel can do is try and cultivate a positive environment by speaking out against toxic influencers and fans like he just did. It’s not really fair to expect him to sit and police the chat all day like a Twitch streamer; he’s not.
It’s also kinda unfair to expect them to speak out about every statement Tate has made; he’s an awful person and not fun to watch and the guys aren’t fans of his nor should they be. It’s unequivocal where they stand on his views and asking them to say more about it is unfair, in my opinion.
@@actuallyimnotreallysureyet6360 It‘s almost like nowadays apologies don’t mean anything anymore for most people
@@actuallyimnotreallysureyet6360 He doesn't have to talk about Andrew Tate for an entire hour.
@@actuallyimnotreallysureyet6360 this is why people don’t apologize. cancel culture only comes after people that care about being better and growing. the more you apologize the more it comes after you. notice that the people that never apologize or care about the criticism are doing perfectly fine
The fact people were harassing Aleena over last week's episode is insanity
Like why go for people who aren’t even involved???
people are mentally ill. they've literally convinced themselves they are doing good for the world
So fucking disappointing
I send Aleena kisses and hugs
Wtf happened?? I'm so lost
Noel hit the nail on the head. The biggest issue I had with the conversation last week, as well as what I saw mostly within the comments, was more just on the level of ignorance. I feel like most people knew u guys didn't support him, but a lot of people got confused as to how you couldn't see the impact that he already has had and it was kind of strange to see someone completely dismiss the impact that that kind of misogyny can have, even if you "deplatform him". So I personally really appreciated Noel specifically talking about that because i feel like ignorance was the main issue.
to be fair, i think a lot of non TMG fans last week piggybacked a lot of the discourse. thus a lot of other ppl in consequence jumped on the bandwagon of making it seem like Noel was an especially bad person. i hated that
bro yall are chronically online. he really hasnt had that much of an impact. everyone online thinks hes an idiot except for a pretty small group of teenage boys....(as if those boys werent already doing toxic shit before him lmfao.) like if anything its just gonna steer girls away from them, i highly doubt its gonna lead to them getting more girls and therefore acting abusive/toxic to them. yall act like girls are just the most oblivious ppl ever. 😭 if a guy is acting like andrew tate hes gonna get literally no women at all
@@Mia-jp6jj I get what you mean, but there are crazy ass dudes who react wildly over Rejection, the fear isn’t women dating these guys, the fear is the guys harassing these women. Who knows what’s gonna happen if a girl says she isn’t interested and he goes batshit calling her slurs or even hits her? That’s the huge issue, you’re gonna have these TaterTots who think they’re a “Alpha Male” and treat women as if they’re just objects. There’s gonna be an influx of internet harassment by basement neck beards who don’t leave the house, and Public harassment by guys who think they’re hot shit and literally be able to follow these women and even put them in danger.
@@Mia-jp6jj Similar to what @miraculousJJ said, yeah I don't think the fear is that toxic and abusive men will get into relationships coz you're right, women aren't dumb. The worry, for me at least, is that he is making extreme misogyny main stream, not only showing young and impressionable boys the wrong advice in disguise of support, but also reaffirming these backward idiots that may already have similar morals to tatie. He is giving these people the confidence to act disgustingly demeaning towards women, as if they are "deserving" of their love when they get rejected. This could lead to SA or assault on the women that innocently made a CHOICE, as every person should be able to. You're right, women are smarter, but we want to live in a world where women feel comfortable to say no, rather than be too scared.
exactly
I wish people could criticize content creators without taking it too far. It makes those of us who genuinely were just disappointed all look crazy and bad. Thank you for acknowledging this and I’m so sorry Aleena was harassed. She didn’t deserve that.
The ironic thing is that the women who attacked Aleena only proved Andrew Tate was correct. Attacking another woman who did nothing wrong - is that what feminists support?
true
true no need to harass someone or ppl close to them, because of this
I’m trying really hard to understand all the people like you. How did you not understand their positions on Tate? How could anything they have said have made you think they support him in anyway? Is it bad comprehension skills? Lack of real life social interaction? I find it insane they had to clarify their position. Please enlighten me.
@@urheehoo what are you talking about? you clearly have issues listening and comprehending. It’s very obvious they did not have a neutral stance on Andrew Tate. You should probably do something to improve your comprehension level.
I think the problem was (and still is) that with someone like Tate, who presence is actively malicious and doing damage, it’s not enough to not support. He must be met with opposition. I would’ve liked to hear that from the guys but honestly I’d rather they never bring him up again.
exactly that's what i was looking for last episode, some clarification that they agree tate is flat out a bad dude and that the shit he says isn't ok. not hearing that flat out leaves it feeling a bit murky, even though they stated that they didn't support it. just feels higher stakes when it's something so vile. glad they have listened and clarified this episode :)
This. Not addressing how actively dangerous he is makes me feel let down personally. The perspective of a woman is missing here to truly understand how scary it is to think about the young boys who are full of anger and see his content and then take it out on women. There are real life consequences that I don’t think they understand.
But if they don’t support him then obviously they don’t agree? I hate this kind of talk. “If you don’t do anything, then obviously you agree and are just as bad”
@@thehabit635 I was more so saying that it upset me personally that these people I’ve watched and listened to for years couldn’t seem to understand how dangerous it is for a woman like myself. Just my own feelings, which I commented because that’s what the comments are for, nobody else has to agree:)
@DINKLE BERG Lol why watch a video of Cody and Noel clowning on Andrew Tate if you're just gonna get mad about it.
Firstly, I’m really sorry people have been harassing Aleena. That’s inappropriate and not ok. Secondly, i didn’t understand all the people saying that they knew y’all were “bad people” and they were just waiting for confirmation. As a woman who engages with your content regularly, y’all are of the few men i feel comfortable following closely. I was disappointed last week, but I appreciate and respect y’all for recognizing the ignorance in what y’all were saying. Thank you for viewing this situation with empathy and understanding, even if people didn’t give that to y’all.
It was not that serious for any of this stuff. The reality is that a lot of today’s women are bullying men and looking down on them, causing men to have resentment towards them. So this ideal that Tate is causing or will cause young men to look down on women. No today’s women is to blame. If Tate is a horrible man. Why are beautiful woman still having sexual relationships with him. They know who he is and his belMen like Tate win and will continue to win because of women I’m actually ok with women wanting a man like Tate. What I’m not ok with is women mistreating men and making it ok.
Coming after Aleena was definitely anti-woman.
@the fookin bass so one man make it ok for women to treat men badly.🤨 nice stupidity.
@@b3llalina 4 month reminder they absolutely shredded you
i was nervous about how you guys were gonna talk about this, but only because i love y'all so much. but this was smart, empathetic and introspective, thank you for listening to us and not dismissing what was felt last week. we love you.
Oh thank goodnesz
What was felt? What happened?
@And so it begins they called him a peace of shit multiple times. i think they danced around it last time, but this time i think they genuinely took everything from a different perspective.
anyone else just find out cody is friends with an alleged rpst from duke??? sickening to see as a survivor for this to not even be addressed:/ i was a big fan for a while but they lost me that’s so fucked
@@dhshshshshsnsnsns i havent seen that. who?
The part that bothered me the most was all the comments saying “what did you expect from a frat dude from Duke” or “Noel always gave that vibe…are you dumb?” Just felt like randoms stroking their own ego like look at me I’m smarter than all of you! I’m glad they addressed this correctly.
Yea you could clearly tell that those people never even watched them and were just jumping on the bandwagon to hate on them
yes!!!!! and it was always people that didn't really watch their content. was driving me crazy, because it was always clear to me they weren't supporters.
I feel like anyone can get an “asshole vibe” from just about any commentary CZcamsr because their job is more or less to make fun of things. There’s nothing wrong with not liking a specific CZcamsr but acting like it’s because they’re probably secretly an asshole is so fucking obnoxious. You could tell it got to Noel a bit that there were people saying they “weren’t surprised”
It was complete randoms on tiktok that have seen like a few videos here and there and pounced on a bandwagon. So weird
Fr, because I was surprised. Everyone kept saying “ They ripped into girl defined, but not Andrew Tate” as if they haven’t gone after several misogynists for similar comments in the past.
I've seen yall go hard on someone for way less so it confuses me why your criticism of him was so light. He's such a huge influence over young men. I get the impulse to ignore him, but unfortunately we don't have that luxury. Women don't have that luxury. I appreciate you taking on the criticism and I know you're good people.
You as a woman can absolutely ignore Andrew Tate. You DO have that luxury. And I think you should do that, because all this controversy about him is only getting his name out there MORE. If there weren't SO many normies talking about how evil he is, he wouldn't be HALF as big as he is right now.
@@Xvladin you should really see the kind of support he has. It's frightening. It's not about us as women ignoring him, it's about the sheer amount of young boys that get influenced by this. So it's easy for you to say just ignore him. But that's not gonna solve any problem. He still influences people.
@@irakulkarni5445 "you should really see the kind of support he has. It's frightening"
Do you have any research or statistics to back these claims up? I keep seeing people saying this shit, but I never actually see anyone who believes in what he says.
@@peacemaster8117 “research or statistics” LMAO bro this is internet beef please just touch grass. Nobody owes you a dissertation on the dissemination of misogyny. How about just use critical thinking on your own for once.
@@peacemaster8117 it’s really easy, just look at any of his social media and you’ll see how many supporters he has, look at all the “sigma male” accounts that post him
In that ep you didn’t say you support Tate but you didn’t explicitly say you don’t support him. Cody even prompted Noel to say he didn’t agree with him and Noel still didn’t make it clear. I think that’s where some confusion was. This ep was a great way to clear it up, as a woman I really appreciate it. Makes me feel more safe.
Thank you for calling out the guys in the comments being misogynistic, rude, and condescending to people raising concerns last episodes in the comments.
I really appreciate how you guys addressed the situation, it seemed extremely sincere and I'm glad you understand how the last video came off. Also, I think it's really unfair how people just harassed Aleena over this. She had nothing to do with it.
I disagree they didn’t address how much Andrew Tate has actually done to harm women
@@actuallyimnotreallysureyet6360 oh my god shut up. They literally talked about it multiple times.
@@actuallyimnotreallysureyet6360 you’re definitely one of the people who harassed aleena
@@actuallyimnotreallysureyet6360 tf up put the 7mins they talked about it in loop for a day so you can understand pls pls plssssss
@@actuallyimnotreallysureyet6360 yes they did?
As someone who’s watched TMG for years and thoroughly enjoyed hearing the topics they covered, that Tate one was rough. The clarification was much appreciated and much needed, especially during a time when women have been facing discriminating issues like Roe v Wade. That’s why support from male creators is important, not bc we want a “ahhh fuck Tate” from you guys, but to also set an example for your male viewers. It was deeply heartbreaking seeing the split in the fan base and that’s the part that was MOST hurtful because this place felt fun and safe for everyone to hang out and laugh. I hope we can get back to that and learn from one another - I love our TMG gang
But the podcast was anti-tate? Even Noel who is being painted as a sympathiser called Tate and his message weird multiple times
@@rthanejehxbejws What threw people off based on posts, comments, and TikTok’s, was the nonchalance (more so from Noel) about the whole thing and specifically when Cody asked him “Are you anti-Tate?”, Noel said “No I’m not anti-Tate” (even Cody looked uncomfortable). If they were joking, people didn’t take that as a joke and if you read other comments many say they wanted/needed that clarification because it was such a turn from how they usually go about discussing shitty creators. Maybe you felt like it was a joke and are going to respond “well it was clear to me”, but it seems like a lot of people didn’t know what to make of it. My tone is not at all mean btw, I’m just putting down what I’ve observed and why I made my post. 👍
well said!
Sorry but how can you claim to watch them for years and still couldnt guess that noel is being noel and not giving a fuck about that (people labeled him as a supporter too) I understand that from people watched it only a few things of them and take him as arrogant ass. But of people watching tmg for long time, it made no sense to me that how those people are confusing him not giving a shit about him to being tate supporter.
@@daniyalmujtabaA lot of other longtime fans felt this way, not just me. Never said anything bad against Noel, only pointed out why people reacted why they did to his commentary. I imagine you won’t like my comment regardless, but actually read it without being angry and accuse me of “not being a fan”. Fans are allowed to say “hey I didn’t like how you went about that” and all the comments show that (not just mine). Nothing I’ve said is negative and if you feel a certain way about MY specific post I don’t know what to tell you other than to read the other comments and understand why people needed this video. Take it easy 👍
leave it to noel to give a heart felt explanation over some serious stuff then follow it with
*took a brutal shit this morning*
love u boys thank u for acknowledging the severity of the tumor that is andrew tate
Only a few minutes in, & just wanted to say it’s really cool how you guys took the time to address all of this & look at it from the other perspective for women. I personally never noticed a problem w/ last week’s podcast, until I saw the comments & could see why people were upset, but not to the point of regarding y’all as Tate supporters. Anyways, glad y’all are so real & addressed all of this.
🙌🏽
Same. I had no problems with the podcast. I understood they were against him and did view him as a danger. But how they verbalize their thoughts (especially Noel), the ideas did come out and their thoughts on Tate may seem as sympathetic.
I know some people were saying that they went hard on Girl Defined, but I didn't think that is comparable given 1)the time difference and 2)the medium of information (scripted/edited video vs a podcast).
However, reading the comments I can understand how some people were disappointed. But I think its important to realize that they (specifically Noel) addressed the comments and their opinions.
But Noel does bring up a good point, which is do not harass other people because you do not agree with someone. That just makes viewers appear bad and hypocritical.
My thoughts exactly
Same, I'm a guy though. I never got a whiff of support for Tate from their comments.
Surprised you didn’t notice during the pod last week, even Cody did lol
Nah, I wasn’t excited to find out you’re bad people. I was disappointed seeing that the guys I *know* are good people and I know *take* feminist standpoints to have such a massive blind spot. I’ve been watching you for four years now and the video that drew me in was Cody talking about how misogynistic IG comedians are. You’re a breath of fresh air, because you proof again and again that you’re not bad people. This is the reason your fan base is 50% women: we can trust you with those issues and that’s why it was so out of character.
Really good way to put it.
Well said
@@user-ym6pu4vn4t they're not gonna fuk you. Fans are allowed to critique
@@user-ym6pu4vn4t I don’t think most people were turning on them, most of us were giving constructive criticism, I would never stop watching these guys
@@user-ym6pu4vn4t yeah cool just minimize it. No. It's good they addressed it. There needs to be a conversation
Wow the way that they addressed things was honestly so refreshing and needs to be an example to others. Yet another moment that has made me respect and appreciate these guys even more than I already did
“Could Cody and Noel please report to the principal’s office”
This is so funny omfg
Lmao truly 😂
“We aren’t mad, just disappointed”
Aleena being harassed breaks my heart, she's so genuine and kind-hearted. If you did that, go outside & touch grass.
This is more or less unrelated, but I feel like Cody has really had a glow up in the last few months. Not even just like "Oh he looks betterrrr" but like he looks happier and I feel like he is just back to glowing like he did when I first started watching him. Confidence is the way to boost yourself and I feel like that is coming back too. I'm glad to hear that he has been working on himself and I like seeing that progress!
he said he started therapy and running again more seriously so i’m sure that has something to do with it!
2016 Cody is back babyyy
It’s the hair, next step is bleaching it again
He defo looks better
@@AlexIsYurMum777 when he had cut his hair after his quarantine cut it made me feel happier because it reminded me of a time before Covid lol
“I thought it was crazy how much influence he has right now, but I guess we didn’t unpack that in the right way.” Perfectly summed it up. I commented last week about my issue with the discussion, and I appreciate you guys a lot for saying this. I know you are good people and do not support him, but I do thank you for acknowledging your misstep. A lot of content creators would turn their back to “controversy” like this, so you addressing this makes me respect you even more. I am terribly sorry that Aleena has been harassed because of this, though- that is absolutely not okay. I’m sorry that some people stooped to that low level, and I hope she is doing okay.
As a woman who enjoys comedy, I can’t express how much I appreciate this. A lot of the time I turn a blind eye to comedians who low-key say problematic shit cause if I didn’t, id be missing out on a large percentage of comics and content that’s genuinely funny, even if a shithead wrote it. It’s also just exhausting. There’s levels to it, and this shows that even when you guys are obviously joking, you know when there is a boundary that has to be highlighted, so I really appreciate you guys not only listening, but respecting, even for sentiments that aren’t intentional. Personally, I can understand noel and his thoughts on Tate and coverage on him, and it’s clear that it wasn’t to sympathize with Tate and his audience, but to reduce his influence.
What are you even saying
@@heiginio are you remedial or sumn lol
feminists cant take jokes, whats new, they get offended at everything
i really relate to what you said about turning a blind eye! I'm definitely used to just feeling a bit disappointed by male comedians at times but kind of just letting it go because it wasn't malicious, just a dumb or uninformed comment. to hear cody and noel actually hear us out and take accountability was really heartening and refreshing!
@@jacquim6141 exactlyyyy
i’m glad noel recognised his own ignorance, i just wish guys could think about the impact these ideas have on women, our safety, and our general lives, without having to be called out on it by thousands of people.
It goes both ways.
@@yourarchnemesis8453 What are you talking about?
I agree but also they are human I was disappointed with the last ep but this one really did help bring some clarity and everyone makes mistakes. Sometimes you say something and don’t expect people to take it how they did or you don’t realize that what you said could be ignorant. And that doesn’t mean it’s okay but that means that I feel like a real apology and an explanation can fix that and makes it able to be forgiven and help you grow as a person instead of just having the same view.
People aren’t perfect. They clarified, apologized sincerely, and brought some value to the discussion by their quite mature reaction. Let it go, they seem like they learned from it.
This is so ridiculous. They didn't say they liked Andrew Tate. They talked about him negatively and somewhat neutrally.
You're just looking for reasons to be upset.
Do you genuinely believe that their conversation has any impact on "the safety of women"? Didn't they specifically say Tate was misogynistic?
Why is this discussion about Andrew Tate the most harmful thing they talked about, to the point that they HAVE TO address it and regurgitate your opinion about him very very specifically?
Doesn't Amazon cause more harm than Andrew Tate? By FAR? But there's never an uproar about how they talk positively about Amazon, just Tate... why is that?
If it's really about avoiding harm to the world then wouldn't it be WAY more important that they talk about how Amazon is bad? Wouldn't that be a way bigger deal than Tate?
Please explain!
i don't think fans were really worried about if you support andrew tate - i generally trust yall to be decent people, but to me the issue was more just that moderate teen boys might have listened to the last episode and had the impression that men like andrew tate aren't "that" harmful or underestimated how dangerous those behaviors are. not that boys who listened to the episode would actually do them, but that it would contribute to them being less critical or aware of those actions in other men, which ofc is dangerous for us. as a young woman, i really do appreciate the awareness and apology - i thought your last episode actually had some insightful takes, but just lacked clarity, which was the harmful part, and everybody misspeaks or messes up sometimes. dw about it. in the future, i hope you're more aware of your audience and more clearly denounce harmful things before having discussions about them.
Noel has done stand up at a republican convention, I don’t trust his opinions
@@catherinec3735 please don't ever reproduce
Nah I think yall overestimate tates reach greatly
@@xxsnipingxx7060 do you have eyes
@@catherinec3735 so get off his video damn
Disappointed seeing how many of the fanbase is being rude to those who were put off. You're favorite creators are allowed to be criticized.
This
Right, and you can also disagree with people who are saying crazy shit in the comments. There was so much push-back in the comments because half the TMG fanbase is actually sane and wants to call out fake outrage when they see it.
@@peacemaster8117 Most people were speaking straight facts. The crazy comments were few and far between.
I've watched these dudes for years, by far my favorite podcast/group of people. Last week's podcast was merely a mistep in talking about something people take so seriously, they took accountability and apologized. best for the community to leave it at that, and not attack them personally when they try so hard to be the best for their audience. they don't like tate, theyve made that clear. they are what I think to be perfect examples of men that I want to be like in my life. Noel is a comedian, Cody is a comedian. they are fine in my book
They handled this with class. Didn’t whine and blame other people (which could have been very easy and got them a lot more “fans”) I respect it.
what did they even say last week? i didnt hear anything that sounded odd? might have missed it but it semmed like they shit on him the whole time
👏👏👏❤
@@joshf4198 they literally didnt say anything. everyone that tried to cancel them didnt even listen to the podcast stg lmfao. cuz at first people were saying that noel supported him, then they got proven wrong, so they changed their argument like four times cuz their claims kept getting debunked lmfao
@@Mia-jp6jj if you had a brain and could read you would see that people were giving them constructive criticism. But since parasocial relationships have rotten your brain you seem to think you know these two. It’s embarrassing stand up.
my favourite comment on last vid was ‘maybe noel just has a gas leak in his house’
Lolol i saw that too
honestly those were my favourite comments rather than the tirades
It’s really cool they’re addressing this. I’m really proud of everyone having their opinions and not just following whatever Noel and Cody say and going along with it. That being said, Alena being harassed is unnacceptable, and I don’t support it. I never thought they supported Andrew Tate but also, I think considering the allegations against him and his harmful mindset, they should’ve been harsher on him and not danced around it as much.
@And so it begins any other ‘influencer’ would ignore this whole situation. so the fact they’re addressing it is actually ‘really cool’. the fact they’re owning what they said and correcting what they meant
I think Noel just wanted to bring up some fresh angles to the situation, he foolishly assumed everyone knew he would hate andrews behavior.
@And so it begins bare minimum is addressing it with a quick pinned comment under last weeks video. Actually sitting down and honestly reflecting over your ignorance and laying out how you came to a more nuanced opinion for your audience should be the ideal.
I never thought that you were supporting him and I knew that it was all coming from a place of good intention. It was definitely how it was discussed and kind of the blind spots that were shown that made me annoyed and sad, which I think was addressed really well here. Also, thank you for calling out the shitty dudes in the comments.
Really, really angry that Aleena was being harassed, that's ridiculous. To even bring it up to her is so weird. That even feels kind of ironically sexist to hold her responsible for her male partner's words. Not okay at all.
@And so it begins that was a bad comment on his part but the point he was trying to make is that the more attention tate is given good or bad, the more mindless followers he gets
@And so it begins Don't get me wrong, I'm not okay with what Noel said. I think it was thoughtless and insensitive. I think he was trying to say that we should maybe not platform Tate further, a take that was bad and outside of his lane. If this was about someone spewing anti-Asian sentiments then that would be outside *my* lane, as I'm not Asian. I am a woman though and I accept this apology. If you do not want to accept Noel's apology, that's ok, no one is saying you have to.
@And so it begins have you watched the podcast for long? do you realize they are joking around for nearly all of it? I think your taking it too seriously and honestly sound like you came from twitter. are you even an avid watcher of this podcast? you sure don’t sound familiar with Noel’s humor. the stuff he said that was actually out of line he apologized for.
@And so it begins i think you aren’t familiar with the podcast and jumping on some bandwagon instead of deciding for yourself. Also calling someone out by sort of shaming them for their opinion because of your opinion that’s probably not even your own is making you look silly. definitely not accomplishing what you wanted to. you can’t force your opinion on others. you clearly aren’t familiar with noel & cody and your misinterpreting what happened. I wonder if you even watched that podcast.
I was taken aback by the implications of last weeks episode like a lot of people, and I’m glad it got talked about both by fans and by them. Hearing this clarification was great. It didn’t feel like he was walking anything back either, just genuinely listening and gaining an understanding of why what he said was alarming to some people
@And so it begins ya and he said what he did was wrong
Gotta say… Noel breaking up the awkward shift out of the Tate conversation with “I took a brutal shit” had to be the most TMG thing ever 😂
It was a good transition
Much respect to you dudes holding yourself accountable and willing to acknowledge your missteps. I’ve always appreciated the fact that you guys have a lot of self-awareness and humility, and this is exemplary of that.
i appreciate you guys, i didn’t even read the comments about last week but i personally felt some type of way about the last podcast too. i’m glad it was nipped in the bud and commend you guys for being honest and self-aware.
I think this controversy just shows the typical standard we expect from Noel and Cody. I guarantee there are people that are tmg fans that also engaged in the adin Ross stream or other pieces of content that laugh at tate but don’t express the dangers of his social media presence. I know Noel is hurt that he disappointed some fans but he should also be proud that he is held to a higher standard/expectation than these other influencers. It’s also highly respectable that he listened to people’s arguments in the comments and sympathised with them. To genuinely recognise your mistakes as an influencer instead of trying to defend yourself should be the bare minimum but is sadly pretty rare.
" a higher standard " (I expect this person on the internet who doesn't know me or interact with me at all to agree with me on everything all the time)
@@serpicopiu3591 I mean yeah it’s parasocial to assume your favorite cc to agree with you, but Noel across the board works with lefty content creators (his own editor is one). But it’s still confusing to those not familiar with TMG’s humor to address. Plus the dude is a literal alleged sex trafficker so I think it’s normal to be concerned if someone supports him
@@serpicopiu3591 Still, your favorite creators are allowed to be criticized.
@@ipodtouch5963 yeah, it just has to be valid criticism. Just because your feelings were hurt and you felt like you were disrespected or whatever doesn't make you right.
@@serpicopiu3591 Noel seems to agree that we were right and that’s the only person opinion we care about so
Really appreciate the way you guys handled everything. I was turned off by some of the comments but also understood why others were frustrated. But ya’ll were able to be genuine and address it correctly.
What a great response. Everyone is allowed an L take every once in a while, you're only human. Taking the valid criticism in and learning from that shows your character. Really proud to be a fan ❤️ love you guys.
"valid criticism" - they were talking about a topic covered everywhere right now; you believe that justifies you soft ass weirdos attacking them (and going as far as to harass Aleena)? Conversation does not equate to endorsing the actions of the person they're talking about. How do you people actually exist?
@@SinkMMA clearly by "valid criticism" I don't mean people calling him a misogynist and attacking Aleena. I'm talking about the people who have voiced that Andrew Tate is spreading a rhetoric that is very scary and very harmful to women and the fact that they seemed to be very cavalier about that in the last episode was kind of a let down.
@@SinkMMA dude, Noel himself admitted the take was a lil off. He doesn't need you to fight for him.
@@lucystevenson4951 it's not about defending specifically Noel - I disagree with the notion that discussing someone that's trending is somehow co-signing the dumbass shit that person (being Andrew Tate) says. If you've watched Cody/Noel before this, it's common sense that they don't endorse any hateful rhetoric in general, let alone specifically towards women. It's an overreaction, and if you somehow felt "unsafe" from them mentioning him on the pod, seek help
@@SinkMMA bro did you listen to literally anything he said??? It's not about them taking Andrew Tate, it's the way in which he was talked about. It's about the fact that he said people need to just ignore him and it's not a big deal and didn't take into account that he's spreading his brain cancer around and now we have to go out into the world and encounter these men that have been validated in their misogynistic views. Like have you been online lately? Have you seen all these dudes talking about how women are whores and property and shouldn't drive etc? That's the point. We're out here just trying to exist and we've got to deal with people on the daily that think we're subhuman.
Noel really fuckin listened to the comments on the last video. And seemed to really learn and understand where the criticism was coming from, and I appreciate the explanation. This is sooooooo appreciated.
Honestly harassment is really never warranted when there’s a conversation to be had & CAN be had
EXACTLYYY, everyone is so quick to jump the gun and attack people over things that can easily be cleared up and explained
Honestly people commenting on Noel's takes and explaining how it made them feel is as far as it should've went I don't agree with all the harassment and those people are no better for acting so immature and bringing in Noel's gf
@@itsBlickyyy fr like these guys are two people who have always been willing to listen & re-evaluate too, so like even if that was what they supported, they would’ve had open minds to why they’re wrong & I think that’s so important because if we just cancel people we’re never gonna make any progress and that person will never have a chance to grow either idk wtf I’m saying but it gets me upset lmao
@@laceyshanahan8655 no seriously tho. You’re speaking facts. ESPECIALLY bc these guys both have such a clean history of never even being close to misogynistic (aside from the occasional obvious dark joke) the fact that people just jumped on them like they did is really gross and while I’m all for cancelling ppl that deserve it, this is a sad byproduct of “cancel culture”
@@jelly4129 genuinely can not believe they would take it to anyone but Noel and Cody. At that point its just insane. I believe in correcting others & I believe in teaching others. I don’t believe in harassing others. It’s sick tbh
I have gotten my order stolen multiple times at Chick-fil-A and they always replace it no questions asked. So, order on the mobile, have a friend take it, then you come in and you’ll get the second order free.
Cody mentioning the easy-theft scenarios was so satisfying for me, glad I’m not the only one who thinks about this
Weird how Cody is apologizing when it was Noel who did most of the talking that people were upset with
HES SUCH A SWEETHEART
Noel I have the upmost respect for you man. You handled this like a professional. I’m so sorry these weird assholes think harassing Aleena is somehow justified because you had a take that came off wrong. Love you guys and I wish you all the best
I love the comment and completely agree... but it's "utmost"
@@pepelepewbr I love the comment and completely agree, but it's "I."
@@axiomsandthings9213 haha you're right
I love the adoption talk as a fellow adoptee. Plenty of good and bad comes with an adoption. Some adoptees have amazing experiences and others do not!
I really enjoyed the dynamic between Noel and Cody in this episode. Idk why but it felt wholesome
UGHHH i’m soooo bummed and disappointed that we didn’t get more opposition of Andrew tate by Cody and Noel. Like their whole thing was fussing people and making fun of people and criticizing them but they were unable to do that for one dude that is beyond terrible and harmful!! I’m sooo sad like they had such a good opportunity to diss him and shit on him and make fun of him. He is soo horrible like it wouldn’t have been hard. I’m also so upset about the fact that they aren’t passionately angry or annoyed from him compared to how riled up they would be on their Thats cringe episodes. the passively just doesn’t make any sense to me :((
dissing him would just be doing him a favor. tate’s entire base is built on negative attention and any crumb of recognition he is given just adds fuel to the fire.
@@m9NIz4lSgaoCr4c yes I agree with that but what i’m saying is them being neutral doesn’t do anything. This is also negative. They already brought up his name so that in of itself is putting fuel to the fire. Atleast after they mentioned him and started talking about him they could roast him and express how terrible he is with jokes and just the comedy that they usually do. They already gave him attention by already putting his name in the title. The damage is already done.
Also, not only were Noel and Cody very neutral and uncaring, Noel blatantly expressed the fact that no one should care and that there are many people like Andrew Tate. This is terrible reasoning oh my gosh.. So if there are many people raping and sex trafficking women then we shouldn’t give one of those people any attention or opposition? This doesn’t make any sense. Tate has committed many inhumane crimes against women that Noel was either to ignorant to learn or worse.. KNEW but categorized Tates behavior as “nothing new.” This attitude made Noel say that what Tate is doing does not matter and he has no impact. Noel’s just whole manner and non-caring philosophy literally SCREAMS male privilege and blatant inconsiderate ignorance. It makes me so so sad i hate it i’m just disappointed
@@sanaaabouantoun4729 well the way i saw it, they were just taking the situation very seriously. isn’t that more thought-provoking than if they just clowned on him?
@@m9NIz4lSgaoCr4c they weren’t taking the situation seriously at all. Their conversation was light and they were not speaking about any serious issues. All they spoke about was how much he’s being spoken about and how no one should give him any attention. They never mentioned any of the serious things he’s done or the serious impact he has. Whatever it’s all good
@@sanaaabouantoun4729 …did you listen to their statement in this podcast?
People are waiting for their moment to say “I ALWAYS KNEW THIS PERSON WAS WEIRD” bcs they’re bitter and jealous that someone they’re personally not interested in or don’t find funny is doing well. It’s very lame but it makes them feel smart? special?
Yes
I just saw everyone saying they’re “red flags” or they always gave “misogynistic” vibes and it’s just completely untrue
@@katie2353 And then started saying stuff like like ‘everybody who hasn’t seen the obvious red flags in both of their videos is an idiot’ without providing solid examples of what made them such criminally evil individuals
Rightt and from what I've seen, it always turns out that those people have only watched a few that's cringe videos of the two of them, how is that enough to form an opinion of someone?? So many people on tiktok have come out of the woodworks just to hate and get views it irks me
@@katie2353 yes !! ive been seeing those videos all over my fyp like no u didn’t lmaoo& if u did then why didn’t u say that before all this💀
this is the kind of maturity and emotional intelligence that we need to approach these kinds of things with. they couldve easily gone into the pod rambling about cancel culture and bitching instead of addressing and understanding the criticism, but they didnt. very nice very good and cool
People harrassing Aleena over this issue are massively hipocritical, like wtf
I was so pleased to hear that Noel and Cody took time to reevaluate their "take" on Andrew Tate. That meant a lot to me as someone who was wildly turned off by the way it came across last week. However I'm super appalled to hear that people have been harassing Aleena, I'm so sorry to hear that Noel. Thanks for coming back and returning to the topic after all the comments. You're both great and I appreciate your humanness, and how much work you put into entertaining us.
I just can't beleive people went on and harassed aleena and said all the shit about noel being so misogynistic, he has been against it all for so long and has preached countless times about it even when he used to stream. Just disturbing how quick people are to tear someone down, the concerns were valid in last weeks episode but this sort of outrage is just sad
I feel bad for Aleena i send her kisses and hugs
No shot they did that. Really? That is low.
All because of one point without extra elaboration
That's really ridiculous. Some people just get enjoyment from shaming people when they make a mistake instead of actually having a valid criticism and wanting them to learn and grow. So sorry that happened to Aleena
‘Serious’ lmao aka being scared of being cancelled and couldn’t address the subject more than 8 minutes after talking about the guy for 2-3 episodes..We do not like or support Andrew’ ‘we apologies’ lmfao.. that was poorly executed and way too late of a response. Especially if their GF were getting harassed. They got a little taste of being on the other side of a ‘that’s cringe’ collateral damages. ;)
in before tons of dudes start calling Noel a bitch for trying to clear things up, its not lame to apologize. It's called being an adult, Noel is not on your side.
Got to get it in before the snowflakes arrive again LOL
Fr tho, this is a comedy show if you guys have not realized so no need to be mad there was not a strong debate about Tate. They joked about him, what more do you want from comedians?
@@amoistyplow They are comedians whith a large audience talking about a serious issue that will affect a lot of women. Just because they are comedians doesn't mean they arent held to a standard.
@@emaahod8247 yeah the standard is being funny
@@youtubeisbroken7072 and decent fckn human beings
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damn you fuck up once and your entire character is brought into question. intentions is key. i think a lot of women feel safe here because the ignorance/ mistakes are never malicious, not because y’all are perfect and make zero mistakes. thanks for having this conversation
I mean who wouldn’t question them when they basically froth at the mouth to criticize Girl Defined but didn’t even have the slightest bit of the same energy for Andrew who is an ACTUAL danger. Seems to me like they deserved the criticism.
@And so it begins because ive listened to them for years and i dont think they are sexist this is the first time i didnt agree about how they went about something in the last episode
@@madi8586 i agree. my comment was moreso toward people who think the situation is a gotcha and get excited to find out noel and cody are actually “evil misogynists” when i do not believe that is the case as a long time follower.
@@Yasmine-jx3jo yeah I agree. I think more would’ve come out if Cody and Noel were actually sexist lol. I didn’t watch the full episode where they discussed Andrew Tate but I don’t think it came across that terribly. Plus, this just shows some ppl watch the podcast only to look for flaws, complain, and harass Aleena
Yeah no.
Intention is important but thats irrelevant to the conversation here. His very ignorant take was ignorant and was a self report in that moment.
People are allowed to side eye you when you dismiss the very real danger women face at the hands of men like this. Especially when they jump at the opportunity to criticize girl defined but had zero of that same energy for Andrew. Usually people character gets questioned when they do something deserving of that questioning
thank you for addressing all of this. it was a very mature conversation and i’m glad you guys had it and understand where the comments were coming from. we appreciate you guys
i always felt safe wiith you two, so this apology meant more than you know.
this!!!!!
@@user-ym6pu4vn4t I assure you, most of the people critiquing last episode did not (and aren’t planning to) turn on Noel, we still love his content. Many were just disappointed with his tentativeness when it came to dissing Tate, which is pretty out of place for Noel’s usual addition to the podcast. I also was quite let down by last weeks ep, but I appreciate them apologizing and acknowledging how harmful tate is. It means a lot when your fan base is half (or more) male.
@Nonaya Bidness i mean at least they acknowledged it was a bad take and whatever the percentage of male viewers take from it and run with it- as a woman i can understand how it can lead into a bigger problem but we can’t rlly control how people comprehend their somewhat dry or satirical humor. i worry about misogynists and all that but when i watch them, they actually give me a comedic break from the shit that goes on everyday anyway. ur expecting too much from a podclot literally called tiny meat gang.
@Nonaya Bidness but yea calling girls snowflakes is totes not chill tho idk bout that lololol
@Nonaya Bidness id def be a maiden for noel
breaks my heart that this even happened. you guys have always brought so much joy into my life. i can see why there was some misconceptions. Thank you guys for addressing it so well and clarifying for those who needed it. Love you guys !
I appreciate you guys addressing and and clarifying and taking the comments into consideration
I appreciate that they addressed all this, very mature of them
This was all i needed. Thank you Noel, there were woman fans who just wanted you to understand the seriousness of the problem of AT. That is all, those that took it too far, please ignore them they distract from the point we just wanted to make. Cause if we don't condem ATs misogyny it gets worse. Thank you x
@Nonaya Bidness you need to go back to human interaction and learn how real people interact. He doesn't have to say exactly what you want him to. Other women clearly feel better, are they all wrong?
Noel was so out of pocket last ep we got an emergency episode
While Tate is live as we speak lmfao.
Fr
He wasn't even out of pocket
@@Hoopergames dude if crypto was still poppin, Tate would be ripping off these kids. And Noel would’ve called him tf out for it instead of saying “who cares? just ignore him”
@@Hoopergames wtf yes he was.
Tell me youre 11 and cant hold your faves accountable without telling me.
Love it when you guys talk about serious stuff, it’s refreshing and hearing your opinions is good.
im very very glad how yall approached this one. i genuinely think noel just spoke without thinking too much and im so glad he's taking responsibility and correcting himself. much love💛
When I initially heard your thoughts about tate last week, I honestly thought it was an interesting take and didn’t think much of it- because I too agree that we just need to realize that we can ignore these people, but reading the comments on patreon got me to realize some nuance that you’d missed- but that’s exactly what you addressed in this episode. I love you guys and you always make my days and weeks better with this podcast and everything else you post, so I’m glad that you were able to deal with this in a very mature way and clarify. Sorry you have had to deal with hate over it and I’m sure this will only make you guys better creators!!
Although the criticism of the last episode was completely justified ppl have def gone overboard with it. Whether it’s bringing kesley/Aleena into it or coming up with blatant lies to paint Cody/Noel as terrible ppl, I knew they would get backlash but I didn’t think ppl would go as far as they did.
My grammar is horrible oml
@@Tomfoolery69_ you know you can edit your comment right 🤷♂️
Strong disagree.
The criticism wasn't warranted in the slightest
@@Hoopergames Noel literally admitted that the criticism was justified and even took it a step further by breaking down where he went wrong when talking about Tate. I don’t understand how anyone can still say this 💀
@@Tomfoolery69_ actually if you want to be "LITERAL", he said "I understand where they're coming from after reading comments and watching it back" he never said it was justified or warranted. get ur facts straight jack
It’s very nice that they addressed everything. Nobody should be harassed. Peace and love to them💖
thank you all for clearing this up love yall
I really appreciate you clarifying yourselves so eloquently, especially Noel who I think was the most misunderstood. It’s a good example of what everyone should do- take in constructive feedback, do your own reflecting, and make amends if necessary. Thank you for listening to the constructive people and I’m sorry for those who were hurtful.
i mean ive always personally felt a strong sense of genuine allyship from u two, so when the last pod happened n the comments n the tik toks i was baFFLED. thanks for addressing it and clearing stuff up
I appreciate Noel’s statement as it shows how understanding and self-aware he is about the situation just one thing to note, silence is compliance.
You guys handled this perfectly and I can tell it’s genuine thanks for addressing it
Respect for them being attentive and serious about this.
Cody was on fire this episode. Probably some of his best hitting jokes for the past few weeks
I never take the time to like videos but for your benefit I am liking this one! You are both very great people and genuine.
thanks for addressing this!! had faith in y’all appreciate clearing it up:)
This was a great way to handle this, and i’m happy that it was addressed as i was a little troubled after the previous podcast. I can also tell Noel is very sincere about it.
I work for a Porsche dealer I love this section so much 😂😂
Giving Noel and Cody absolute props for their discussion at the top of the episode. I can't really say or add anything onto what other people, especially other women, who are fans of yours feel about this follow up because it felt genuine, like you guys actually cared. Besides the people who took it waaaaaay too far, crossed boundaries, and completely misconstrued what was said last week (to seem even worse), this is how this situation is handled. Genuine criticism is given and in return we get a thoughtful, empathetic, and just genuine response. Thank you guys for listening and talking about this. props.
Thanks for listening and addressing it, we love you guys and only expect better from you because we care and respect you guys so much, so sorry about Aleena
your fans get it and know your sense of humor, you guys spoke really well ❤️
Who is we🤨 that was all you Noel.
Love you guys. Thanks for clarifying
I love that you guys make these podcast.. thank you ❤️💯
The bit about evangelicals "speaking in tongues" was extremely funny, especially bc i suspect there is a large number of them that do not partake in that activity 😂😂😂
Thank you for reading the comments! We appreciate you taking the time to learn and grow and clear things up!:)
I'm so glad they addressed it now
Look, it’s fine and great that they apologised, but hey here’s a suggestion; when someone’s apologising maybe don’t keep cutting them off to say “But did you say that???” Kinda makes everyone seem less genuine.
@@ratking927 Yeah, that was the implication of my comment.
This whole podcast just has big "Apologising because I got caught vibes". I get the feeling Noel's feelings are a lot more in line with the previous pod than this one...
Are you trans?
It’s so clear to see from just the first 5-9 min of this podcast episode that Noel understands exactly where they went wrong and is sympathetic and open minded to both the idea of respecting what women go through and listening to his female audience. As a Black woman, I don’t believe in handing out cookies or giving props for behavior that is bare minimum but I do appreciate seeing that from Noel. On the other hand, Cody seemed absolutely lost for words and though he states multiple times that he and they do not support Andrew Tate, he didn’t seem to understand where they both went wrong in the last episode at all. As a female supporter of you both, I have Noel’s back in this situation but not Cody’s.
Cody seems more confused than anything to me, it seems like he’s thinking people were accusing him of saying things that Noel actually said which would make sense.
@@MrZorx no, give the beginning another watch. He knows it was Noel who was accused of saying he wasn't "anti-tate", which he did say.
they said exactly what u idiots wanted to hear. is it what they actually believe? hell nah lol
I listen to you guys on my podcast app on my phone. I’ll be walking around work just doing my route and I’ll start laughing at some of the stuff you guys say and I get some pretty weird looks. But honestly worth it. You guys make the work day go by faster even if I look like I’m crazy.
i love both of you so much. genuinely. though you don’t know me you both have impacted me so much and i think you should here stuff like this more often because you both deserve the world.
seeing the amount of comments on this that are upset about them addressing the situation is really telling. goes to show just how many actual tate apologists/people who lack social proactivity in general there are, even in a community like this where the content typically promotes progressive or forward thinking takes amidst the comedy. i think addressing the situation and admitting fault is a step that a lot of people wouldnt have the guts to do. the true fans have and will continue to support based on the amount of social awareness these guys have. cody and noel, keep doing ur thing, love u both
Tate is somebody you can’t just say “fuck him” in a casual way. Tate is a misogynist, conman, even a possible sex trafficker.
He’s the prime example of how algorithms bring outrage content to the top of a platform.
You absolutely can just say fuck him in a casual light. They’re not responsible to guide you to a conclusion or prove that they absolutely support what you support. They can address it however they want to. They’re not your parents they’re entertainers.
Stfu they don’t owe him any attention
Still got chest ?
He was never charged, you people are retards judging people off of what they were accused wrongly.
@@johngeddes6736 ?
so glad you addressed this. love the pod! :)
This video only made me respect and love you guys more, Thank you for being mature about this.
bro noel got shit on so hard that shit had me dying
someone on the tmg site said "never seen someone get ratioed by their own subscription service" 💀💀💀
@@highgirlfriend literally
i really really hope this situation opens ur guys' eyes to how words hold so much value. andrew tate is not just some dude. he is promoting pain and harm towards women that can put women into incredibly dangerous situations. its not just some internet dude. i think the reason ppl are saying theyre not surprised this controversy happened is because you two dont take stance on things usually. which can be okay sometimes but sometimes u HAVE to take a stance. this was one of those situations. i just hope you learn from this and understand that its not just "politics". its about human lives ya know.
I had a stay in bed kinda day and this podcast just made me cry laugh 😂😂😂 Havent had a good laugh like that in a while ! Love your content as always
Been to the Myrtle Beach Dave & Busters, it’s wildly normal except for that it’s next to a building that’s made to look like it’s been flipped over
This is long af but i just wanted to put this out there:
As a woman in her early 20s who just finally got out of a long abusive relationship - the shit andrew tate says fucking terrifies me. Every time I hear his name, all I can think of is the amount of abusers he's enabling and the type of behaviour/mindset he's encouraging. It scares me that men like my ex have such a role model. This man is playing a huge hand in putting young women in danger. BUT - that's my perspective based on my experiences, and we can't expect others to always relate to or understand that. I really don't feel that Cody and Noel deserved to be dragged or mislabeled as misogynists. While I was a little disappointed that they didn't seem to see, at the time, the harm tate causes, i can't say I was personally offended as they were simply giving their perspective on the situation as men themselves. And it breaks my heart to hear that Aleena was getting so much shit for no reason, there's really no justification for that. To see Noel so hurt over this I think really speaks to these guys' characters. I think this show is so popular with women because these guys have genuine respect for women as well as people in general - they're just good dudes and they're good at making people laugh. So thank you Noel and Cody for addressing this so well and for creating this network for all of us to enjoy. Much love to the TMG family ❤️
You’re really brave to talk about that and I hope you are doing well now. It’s awful how much people defend misogynists. The majority of Tate’s fans are young teenagers which is really harmful as it’s an awful message being put across to them, which means the woman of tomorrow will be experiencing the same treatment as women are now. Have a good morning/day/evening.
@Nonaya Bidness not everyone is completely informed on andrew’s tate’s list of crimes (there is a lot to cover) and i doubt they wanted to talk about andrew too much since they just spoke about how his presence is clearly harmful for people. replying to people and telling them they are wrong to forgive them is sad.
@Nonaya Bidness that’s not the fuckin point of the podcast. It’s not about creating awareness for every asshole in the media. They said he sucks and isn’t worth the time.
@Nonaya Bidness they literally acknowledged how it impacts women? so what are you going on about