4 Inch Fletch vs. Blazer Vanes Fixed Blade Broadhead Grouping
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- čas přidán 17. 04. 2016
- A test of noise and broadhead grouping consistency with 4 inch fletch vs. Blazer vanes.
Ideally, you would do this in several iterations to get sample size so try it yourself if more interested.
Test info :
2013 Hoyt Carbon Matrix, 26.5 inch draw, 70# draw, Gold Tip 340 Hunter Shaft, 430 grain arrow weight, 100 gr. Magnus Stinger Broadhead.
Arrows are fletched left between offset and helical.
I'm not what I'd consider a great target shooter or anything like that. But I do test all kinds of things so just sharing some results that others may find of interest.
3" group at 60 yards.
you're killin' me!
I wish that I could do that!!!!!
Thanks for the video.
Rod Baby i know he shoots really good
Good job on the video. I think your right about the sound of the arrows. There is a difference in sound. Good Information! Thanks for sharing!
So glad I subscribed to this channel!
Great shooter and great insight! Thanks for sharing.
Great vid man. Love those stingers
great video , good comparison .
Ryan , a nicely presented video on our beloved sport ..You are very articulate and underestimate your ability.I’m 84 , been shooting for over 60 years , Shot with Howard Hill , Ann Weber Hoyt instinctive and sight . With The bragging behind me , it’s my opinion feathers has it over vanes ..If you can limit the height and length of the feathers, use a cr322 battery in your lighted nock system to lighten the rear end of your shaft you will so much better ahead of the game , and you help yourself to eliminate the whoosh sound as your shaft is on its way. Remember, once the arrow is loosed you have no control on the end result . The DEER 🦌 is in the process of jumping the string and turning it’s body longitudinally. What you aimed at originally will change. I like your thoughts.. Keep up the great work .I’m following you and have your back...P.S.•• My broadheads are 710 grains using 3 fixed blade 200 grain Bishop BH .🏹
I was listening to you talk and was like this guy in Hawaii! Look like Maui. Shoot straight bro great video Shaka!
Nice video, good job. You're a pretty decent shot too.
Funny thing when you said do it for yourself....i did just that last night ,at 20 yards the 4 inch fletchings seemed to be less stable in flight than the blazers ....i got a much tighter group with the blazers .....i never thought about the sound of the arrow ....definitely something to think about
Great video. I liked it
nice work, interesting test, solid shooting for sure. hope your recurve is fixed.
Interesting video. I'm primarily a Trad guy. So like you shooting at closer distances. Plus I shoot heavy arrows (635g) which make my bow super quiet so never had huge issues with deer ducking the shot. With my compound/blazer van/medium weight arrow (525g) combo theres definitely more noise. But my mate in Canada showed me to use my 20 metre pin at 30 and 30 metre pin at 40 I've noticed most deer just dip maybe 4 inches into the arrow. You need fairly quick bow but it works for me. Subscribing was easy decision, looking forward to browsing through your other videos.
I've never done a 4 vane setup, did you get a jig that helped space them out?
What kind of rest you using? Can you use log vanes with a whisker biscuit?
Bra-da, that was excellent! Like Downtown. Shaka- bra!!
Very good video. You are an excellent shot. I will tell you that sound and distance has everything to do with animals ducking the shot. Thanks for the video.
thanks for the golf tee idea
i had noticed the blazers are a bit louder, i switched the bohning heat vanes and its quieter, and no change in placement....the blazerzs are louder
i think i agree, the blazer vanes seemed to have more sound to them. interesting, never thought of that before.
Great video. Maybe try a non-vented Stinger? Could be quieter than the vented version. Also maybe try a 3” vane like a Fusion X-ii or Griff-X.
How do you know the noise or accuracy difference isn't from the broadhead?
Ryan cool video can you do a video like that with trad bow?
I've done it and belive blazers are quieter out of my grizzlystik longbow I shoot elevated rest so I can shoot the blazers to.Aloha Bra
That broadhead whipping around your bowstring is making my teeth hurt
I'm in MN & the name of the game is ambush hunting from trees. In particular larger trees with thick cover around them where they feel safer moving during daylight hours cuz shade is king. Had a good 2019 season & I'm already ready 4 this fall in 2020 with a new arrow build that tuned perfect. 125 grain small surface area cut on contact high quality head in a 125 grain insert with a 29" 12.5 grain per inch shaft. My testing this spring is going 2 be in my backyard from a tree around 20+' up with the camera on the ground b4 the target. I'm trying 2 get on a different sound plane 2 the animal rather than be on the same plane on the ground. U can get more opportunities hunting several different trees with less impact on the animal. I'm more concerned about high FOC & shooting them tight on the shoulder than great flight @ long range. I'm looking 2 watch the animal go down & expire @ the same distance most r shooting from.
try bonning bolt vanes they are very quiet and very stiff and they are shield cut so they look cool
Check out an old video called Hunting October Whitetail's. It talks about deer jumping the string.
for someone who does not shot a compound...you have good for,try 4 fletch tight helical.
Great video and even better shooting! It has been my experience that the first sound an animal hears is the cause of a reaction. Usually that would be the bow string. Speed of sound is around 1100 fps so even an arrow at 300 fps is almost 4x slower then the sound your bow sends out. That said everything you can make quieter is going to help, I just focus more on silencing the bow first and foremost. As for the grouping I do believe the blazers do a better job stabilizing lighter arrows, but my heavy xx75's fly much better with 4" vanes like what your using. That was a nice deer in the video, I wish we had em here on the south side of the big island. Lot's of fat macnut pigs around tho 👍
Lanai?? Are you in Hawaii? Thanks for sharing.
Yep in Hawaii
It sounds to me that the 4.18 has a shorter (Thick) sound. Te sound graph would have a shorter frequency and high amplitude. Has for the 3 Bohning blazer the frequency is lower but amplitude is longer. In lame terms the first one is louder/short sound vs the second Lower/longer sound. Does it make sense? I am techy so this is as lame as I can go. It seems that longer vains prolong the sound but at a lower volume if you will. Shorter vains tend to displace/compress more air at the leading edge therefore producing a louder/shorter sound.
Makes sense to me. The stiffness and perhaps maybe natural frequency of the mass and shape of the vanes may have that influence. Also I could imagine air velocity (or speed of the arrow) may also change the sound. I notice (not measured or anything) that the folks shooting far faster arrows than myself run those blazers pretty loud. Perhaps far more noise than I get at roughly 268fps. Like I can almost hear them spinning downrange.
I can hands down say, I find more forgiveness with the blazer and usually better groups. It just seems to have a lot of stability for its size. I've just seen too many deer we have duck my buddys arrows while I've seemed to experience none of that when I shot a slow 245 fps arrow. But I was kind of old school with the setup back then. Today, far faster, I feel I have to rethink this. Been using the AAE max stealth 2.7 and 4 fletching their PM 2.3 with pretty quiet results. I feel I lose some forgiveness ... but perhaps still good enough.
I think there may be a sweet spot for deer ducking the arrow. 60 yards your friends deer may have been oblivious to what happened. any closer and he may have not been able to duck it!
im shooting GT velicity XT 300 spine
When is the best time to deer hunt over there?
Chad Charbonneau rut is usually may-june. The public hunt in video is February. Most axis hunting is on private land. Lanai is only state public hunt starting February. They also have private land (quite costly) Molokai and Maui also have deer pretty much all private hunts.
What's the poundage of your bow?
70lbs draw
So what you said was, when you shoot a faster/louder bow they duck the arrow but when you shoot a slower/more quiet bow they don't duck.....but then you said they hear the arrow😂. They obviously are hearing the compound.
I could hear more of a hiss with the blazers.
Here are a couple of video's that show why Flex Fletch vanes are so quiet.
czcams.com/video/c2WMNl8Ku4Y/video.html
czcams.com/video/ylaA-RkUtnI/video.html
To me the Camero sounded the loudest, honestly...
Camaro*;) but I agree Haha
might be late to the party but I couldnt hear the first arrow, the second had me ducking in my seat lol
" yeah I got this crappy Hoyt Defiant as a back up" who the heck is this hot shot anyways lol.
After 21 yards noise is a big problem in archery . I tell everyone hunt closer .
Gamefowl I hear crowing in the back ground bruddah?
feral chickens or the doves depending on which sound
Nice video sell me you compund
I didn't like it because you didn't have enough arrows to do a proper accuracy test. However, I didn't see much difference in sound.. I think you could do more with silencers to get less noise.
He’s talking about arrow noise in flight not the bow on the shot.... How do you plan on using silencers for that? Also how do you see the difference in sound instead of hear it?
And as for an accuracy test, he’s shot the same arrows over and over again eliminating arrow weight differences and vane angle change.
You’ve posted the stupidest comment on a CZcams video I’ve ever seen, people are now stupider for reading it.
To be fair you are entitled to your opinions, just know they’re wrong. So very wrong.
1200 dollar bow....on a budget, buys 2 arrows
Jon Patterson that bow is old as fuck look up when the carbon element cane out
Sharkson77 I don't know that much...i shoot a 4 year old bear..i guess mine's old as fuck too..its the same year
Jon Patterson the bow is worth 400 not 1200 it's a nice bow but it's a budget
Sharkson77 ok