60 yard Fletching Test: 4-Fletch vs. 3-Fletch w/ fixed blade broadhead
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- čas přidán 10. 08. 2024
- In this video we tested the flight differences of fixed blade broadheads with both 3-fletch and 4-fletch configurations.
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Skip the music. I can't imagine anyone is watching archery videos for "Ehhh-Ohhh..." That said, thank you for providing your data point in this video.
Yeah, I want to turn it really bad because of it!
Turned down the volume while he was shooting
@@brycehiigel235 So did I. I wouldn't have minded the music if cut by about 50-60% in volume
So did I
i agree.... that was a nightmare. i think i got ear aids now.
Thanks for the video. The hock/spit at 6:25 just about sums up my thoughts on the music track.
Had to mute that horrible noise.... Great test though, good job.
Won't be back to this channel again. 3 seconds of that G.D. music was enough!
😂🤣😂🤣
Lmfao😂
I agree
Thanks for the video. the drag on the back related to the weight on the front had not been explained to me yet. thanks!
Great video. I didn't think it was going to make that big of a difference.
Oh man... poor choice of music. My reaction to the EHH OHHH: 5:25
Genious
Hated the music it made vomit come up in my mouth
😂😂😂😂👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿
One more thing and don't miss this! Beautiful evening on a beautiful range. I'm glad for and jealous.
Great job!
That Damn Music
Tuning the arrow to the bow is quite a science. Like a bullet, harmonics comes into play. There are so many variables it takes a very long time usually to get everything just right. Fletching is one thing. Keep at it. When you hit on a combo that works, you will stick with it for a long time. Its a lot of work. Best advice I can give you is to take notes of what you are doing. Write down everything. Weigh all of your components on an accurate scale and don't listen to just anyone (even me). Test it. Good luck.
the 4 fletch actually had less foc because it has more weight at the back of the arrow
Your results match mine on different equipment at 30 Yards using Fiberglass Recurve Bows, 52 in. 50 lb and 60 in. 48 lb both 28 in. AMO. 4 fletch also work far better for me when the fletching gets wet in rain than wet 3 fletch. The vane profile I use on 4 Fletch is also cut about 1/4 inch lower off the arrow spine than a standard 3 Fletch. Playing with equipment is fun! I tried Cedar Arrows a few years back, they did not work nearly as good as Aluminum or Carbon. I don't use Carbon anymore because they break easier in Field Practice.
Just add a helical to the 3 vane arrows. On a clear day no wind I can constantly group at 3 inches at 80 yards
Arrow looks like it has, NO, "Helical" !
Arizona EZ Fletch, THREE AAE Stealth Max's,.. w/ 3* Helical just,.. WORKS !
I always read comments about the music... But this time I'm saying, at least change it up.
Nice video
Three Fletch is more practical for most scenarios. 3-D targets or Hunting.. u get better flight characteristics due to the release being unobstructed.
I prefer three Fletch all day...
If you're not getting the degree of stability you want with three vanes, increase the size of the vanes (particularly their height). That's almost always more weight-efficient than increasing the number of vanes.
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Second on the music, without having your bow precisely tuned, your test is not valid. If you were exactly tuned (broad head, field point and bare shaft all hitting together, you would not see a difference, larger fletch surface area will mask a poorly tuned bow. You do need enough fletch to overcome the planing forces of the broad head, but it does not matter wether you get it from 4 fletches or larger fletches. I have found they the height of the fletches is extremely important, it's the reason that 3 two inch Blazers work so well for so many hunters however some bows have cable clearance issues with tall vanes and 4 vanes is a valid option.
100% agree
Im going to play that song on the jukebox at every bar I go!
Be carefull 😂😂
Interesting
but have you tried the turbonock T-4 on both fletchings?
I bet the results would be way different..
Hi was looking at your vanes on the video on the target, but a little more off set or a right helicle before you give up on your three vane , looks like you use a straight clamp the vanes look straight...........
2 long and one short is the best
I heard you say you just got new strings and bow tuned did you bare shaft tune your arrows?
What's your thoughts on indoor set ups?
The 4 fletch and 3 fletch arrow do not have the same FOC, but the results are similar to what I've experienced. I've been shooting 4 fletch for a little over a year and it helps flatten out the arrows cast by adding drag and a little more weight to the tail.
Adding weight to the tail makes the arrow less stable. The further forward the arrow's center of gravity is of its center of pressure, the straighter and more stable the arrow's flight will be. It's almost always more efficient to achieve a desired degree of stability by sticking to three vanes and increasing their size (especially their height and rearward sweep) than it is to use more vanes of a given size.
@@Marmocet not exactly. Adding more weight to the rear of the arrow directly correlates with the amount of weight FOC. Your statement is correct in certain circumstances. If you add weight/drag to the rear end of an arrow with low FOC, yes it will make the arrow unstable. But an arrow with more weight FOC requires more weight/drag to stabilize.
@@nolesreign2594 FOC is a muddled concept. It's better to use the terminology that rocket scientists use. An arrow is stable so long as its center of mass (or center of gravity) is in front of its center of pressure. The further the center of mass is in front of the center of pressure, the more stable the arrow. An arrow's stability can be increased either by adding more weight to the front, moving the center of pressure aft by increasing fin/vane surface area at the rear (which adds weight to the rear, so there is a tradeoff), or both. If two otherwise identical arrows differ in position of their center of mass, the one with proportionally more weight to its rear will be less stable than the other.
Adding a fourth vane to an arrow moves the arrow's center of pressure aft, but because the extra vane has mass, it also moves the arrow's center of mass aft. Usually, the center of pressure will move further aft than the center of mass, so there is a net increase in arrow stability. My point, and this is demonstrable using rocket design software, is that you can achieve the same rearward shift in the center of pressure with a smaller rearward shift in the center of mass, and hence a greater increase in arrow stability, by using three slightly larger vanes (height is the key parameter) instead of using a fourth vane.
@@Marmocet all that Is true, but doesn't pertain to what my comments were about. My point is that the heavier the point or broadhead, the more weight/drag needs to be added to the rear. Otherwise, why even use vanes or fletchings at all? For example, let's take a 410 grain arrow that has a 150 grain tip. 14% FOC. When shot the arrow will cast downwards relatively quickly, say 50 meters out of a 60# 325 FPS bow. If you add fletchings and pin nocks, now the total arrow weight is 435 grains 11% FOC. The heavier arrow will fly further before casting down, say 65 meters out of the same bow.
@@nolesreign2594 No, adding weight to the rear decreases the arrow's stability. What you're thinking of is that lighterweight arrows have less momentum and are more rapidly slowed down by friction with the air than heavier arrows, provided that the only difference between the heavier and lighter arrows is mass. For a given bow and a given arrow's aerodynamic properties, there is an optimal arrow weight that will give the flattest flight profile out to a given distance. If an arrow weighs less than that optimal weight, the best way to increase its weight without affecting its stability or spine is to insert a weight tube into its shaft. Weight tubes don't move the arrow's center of gravity, whereas adding weight to the tail moves the center of gravity further from the nose and toward the arrow's center of pressure, which makes the arrow less stable.
Arrows don't nose down because the tip is heavier than the tail. They nose down because they're falling towards the ground, and the slower they travel, the more they fall per unit of horizontal distance. The ideal arrow would have a massless arrow shaft, massless nocks and vanes, and have 100% of its mass concentrated at the tip.
And they tended to land left of center, hence more consistency.
Were both the 3 and 4 fletched with a helical?
Thanks
What was the degree offset in the fletches?
Where the boraodheads spin tested to ensure they were centered and didn't plane from the blades?
Do another video but take your weight off the front of your 3 fletch...im curious as to see if you had to much weight for the 3 fletch to steer
Dude! That music?? What the hell? Other than that good video. I have been telling my buddies that 4 fletch is the way to go for years. I subbed ya but promise to never use that music again. Music is fine just not that one :)
Love the vids SoloCam keep them comming !
what is arrow length and draw length? Interesting testing
What kind of chest rig is that for the binos?
For close range use 3 Fletching 4 Fletching on long distances.
Try playing Ave Maria next time you do a vlog to keep some of these bone head critics quiet!. I am a 46 year old begginer and I thankyou for the advice, cost nothing to try the 4 fletch!
So you didn't cover which was better, just what was better for your setup?
What kind of chest rig are you running?
Try turbo Nock it will do more than the 4 Fletching’s
Three 4 or 5 inch feathers will out shoot either of those arrows you tried plus you will have even more front of center. Good video !
dw hunter 🤫sshhh, you’ll start a new trend hype and drive up the cost of feathers lol
Not if they get wet
@@dereksteele2284 what dummy bow hunts in the rain ? No blood trail. They make duck powder and plastic bags if a fellow HAS to hunt in the rain.
@@dwhunter8904 where I'm at, it's always damp, and having your arrows rubbin' on wet brush would ruin feathers. And u don't need a blood trail if you make a good shot, dummy
@@dereksteele2284 Ha Ha….keep hunting rookie, you’ll see 😂
Helical or Straight Fletching?
What group of fletching did you tune the bow with? If was the 4 that would explain the better groups.
I’ve done a huge amount of testing at long range with 3 and 4 fletch and really have not been able to determine any accuracy benefit to 4 fletch. Main difference was 3 fletch would group higher at long range due to less drag.
Believe or not simply adding or subtracting one 5-7grain fletch will cause the spine of the arrow to react differently to the shot. I’d be willing to bet that if you tuned the bow to the 3 fletch it would group just as well. You’d also improve front of center a little bit.
Without seeing a bare shaft and field point together at 20 yards, we have no idea if the bow is tuned, I suspect a grip issue, possibly face pressure or spine issue giving you that horizontal group with the 3 fletch. I shoot a 3 fletch with a VAP 175 grain 1 1/4" cut and have no problem.
Yes maybe now adding a 4 fletch to this tune is working out to help correct it...
Why do you have them fletched straight? I was always told fixed blades especially need to be spun can't spin with straight fletchings???
Well.....If the 4 fletched arrows are better or offered any advantage I would think competitive archers of any kind would be using 4 fletched arrows. They look for every advantage no matter how slight.
They don’t shoot broadheads
Some do
Looks like your last set of shots from the 3 fletched arrows were actually 4 fletched... Which seemed to still have a pretty large horizontal spread at 60 yards. Maybe I'm wrong though.
You are right. The last shot fired was definitely a 4 fletch, and maybe one more arrow in that volley could have been 4 fletch.
Think that Broadhead will fly good at 317 FPS?
Good info, good test. Skip the music next time, unnecessary imo. Thanks for doing the test. 👍🙂
Interesting, cool stuff. Music blows big time though...😂
If you were hunting and shooting 30 yards, would you stick with the 3 fletching? Thanks for the video, really nice quality.
Luke Sanders I was this thing the opposite. It seems to me if the target distance is short the sooner the arrow is lined out (paradox and yaw) the better and at a close distance the four fletch won't affect speed enough to count against accuracy.
True that ...
5:24, nice, very classy ;-)
Why is everybody making videos with such irritating sound tracks !?? What the F has it got to do with archery ....
5:25 over and over and over..
5:25 Fantastic
With three fletches, I line up the blades with the fletches. How would that look on an arrow with four fletches?
Really....
Well your draw length is off because your draw elbow was way out. You're probably not tuned and your form needs work. You might be able to get the 3 fletch to do just fine if you fix those issues
you tuned your bow for the 4 fletch arrows and not for 3 fleach
What offset or helical are you using on the fletch? Thats very important to consider also. I shoot 4 fletch just to speed up arrow loading and not having to locate the cock vane. It also gives a little more cable clearance due to the vanes orientation.
Ditto on the music
omg you play more aggravating music than chrissy bee does !
Lol what was that song 😂
I would go back and tune your bow, at 60, you should be cutting vanes. Not trying to disrespect you at all. Definitely check and see if you have a little cam lean..
Also take in account that the spine of the arrow changes between 3 and 4 fletch as well as your FOC.
Nice job on the video, keep up the great work.
With this Bro?
Change music brother that music sucks you did good on the video. Not many cant even hit the bull on 18 yards. :-):-):-)
Skip the terrible Music!
i just shot my neighbor in a fit of rage after listening to it!
hmmmm, wish you had shot a 2 control groups of 3 arrows w/field points first.....
interesting, but the noise, which I will not call music because it is not, is horrible
Even if you used real music you recorded it way too loud compared to your voice. Sorry. Serious question. Assuming your bow is tuned and your arrows match and all the other gobbledygook you were speaking (to a stick bow shooter) couldn't you use four fletch just because you can and trim the height down a hair a time until you find the least amount of area needed to keep the arrow shooting accurately? I know some Far Eastern arrows were generally fletched with an incredibly low profile.
The FOC was definitely not the same for both arrows. The added fletch alone would have changed that
It would have been nominal at that arrow weight. Talking a few grains difference between the 3 and 4 fletched arrows.
Can someone make a video without any music please
I like the part where it sounds like ehhhh ohhh
Just my opinion,as a hunter I would never shoot 60 yds,not to mention a 3 vein makes enough noise,but a four vein sounds like a train coming through the woods! Stand behind a large tree and have a friend shoot a 3 D target and hear for yourself,arrows makes so much noise flying through the air,maybe good for 3D but not hunts
Your best bet is hunt closer like 20 yards in .
Now try it with 5" feathers.
Insect throat gag at 5:25 blows the whole video
Holy crap! The music! 😡
03:40 i can't stop laughing!!! Fuking ridiculous boy.
If you shoot 3 fletch with a broad head you need to index your broad bead to your fletches....
We came here for information not for music. I think he had a few beers before he started.
Your music is WAY to loud. Otherwise good video
LOL tune your bow better the four fletch is just hiding poor tuning of the bow.
That is a possibility. Maybe try paper or bare shaft tunning just to get that last step. If it is off just a little it will speed them up that much!
I always paper tune with a bare shaft. Having said that, if your arrow isnt cut and built properly, that insert can be glued in out of concentric (Learned through multiple arrow manufacture's schools). When i used to build arrows for a shop, Id always use a dial indicator on a jig to make sure those inserts were square with the rest of the arrow. Ive seen some where .030 to .050 would cause drastic garbage flight on a fixed blade broad head. My solution for me was to shoot mechanicals. No more arrow tuning and no flight issues.
I agree with bill 100%, I've never had a broadhead that I cannot get to group together. 4 fletching is useless, 3 fletch with helical is all you need!
@@79brumley what distance do you shoot?
@@hoythunter4853 Out to 100 yards, I have a 70 yard video on my channel!
Why would you do a test with a bow that is not properly tuned and not sighted in properly. Get your stuff right then try again the three fletch will surpass the four
Great video but the music makes it unbearable
Good test, but, like a lot of others, the "music" is HORRIBLE, had to mute that part, damn annoying!!
Music is awful
Well that music was annoying. Enough that I couldn't finish the video
Could have had you another follower but that crazy music ran me off
60 yards? Seriously? That's more close to 10 yards than even 16, and you say 60? Yeah, right.
Did you mean 60 feet?
That MUSIC has GOT TO GO!
Music was so bad rest of video was good 👍
Stupid ass music.. 5:25 my thoughts exactly too
I was in until that horrendous music started.
....and muted
Right on brother I have the same set up too with different bow though the accuracy of that set up is Insane where ur pin set on the game that's where the arrow gonna hit!!!u guys can go check my Instagram kekoa amor
terrible comparison....having your bow tuned is the largest factor in arrow flight....
Any of these type tests are invalid unless shot from a shooting machine. Too many variables with a person slinging arrows.
Your camera maybe at 60yds but your definitely not shooting at 60yds! Come on man give us a little credit ):
Music way too loud and annoying
Music sucks ,leave off the music it's not necessary