Last year I was a total loser with poor arrow flight and a non existent sex life. Now after following RF’s guidance, I get perfect arrow flight, bust through scapulas, make better money at work, and consistently land smokeshows. Thanks RF!!!!
Took my time with the ranch fairy youtube videos and taken everything in on building my 570 grain arrow with the magnus broadhead, I've taken 2 does and 1 buck with the SAME ARROW and BROADHEAD all I've done everytime is sharpen up the blade. Blowing through each one sticking in the dirt at least 6 inches. THANK YOU RANCH FAIRY!!!!!!
A hundred years ago, I was in the Army. We used "adult" projectiles like the Armor-Piercing, Fin- STABILIZED, Discarding Sabot - Tracer. We were instructed that once a projectile's length exceeds its diameter by a certain amount, rifling is less effective than something akin to fletching (fins). Arrows are spin-stabilized more effectively by helical fletching than straight fletching. "Spin-Stabilized" might make a good t-shirt. Thank you for your great content
Trust the fairy wisdom! After so many arrow builds, I indexed, tuned, & used helical feathers this season. Best arrows I've ever made, field point or Cutthroat! Thanks Ranch!!
Most educational content on arrow physics. Started my process the end of the summer, was able to add 50 gr and increase my FOC a little... This year will be the year of the "Process". We'll see what happens and what I end up with. 🏹
Added Helical to my arrows this year after the tuning process. Best flight and groupings I’ve ever had. It works! Oh and picked up one of your shirts. Good stuff!
Do you also offset fletching when using a helical set up (clamp)? If so which way? Bow spins left, I tried a left helical straight and with left offset. The left offset helical seems to knuckle ball.
Followed the RF process for a set of six crossbow bolts. 540 grains, 25% FOC, & hand sharpened Magnus Black Hornets and Buzz Cut Stingers. Have shot one buck and four does (Tennessee and Illinois). Complete pass throughs except for one doe. Doe was quartering to me and I aimed at the "vital V". As I shot, she spun toward me and dropped, the bolt hit her in the neck, went completely across her body and almost exited on the opposite side by her rear ham. Found the bolt on the ground about 25 yards from where I shot her and found her piled up 25 yards from there. A plan "B" bolt that did its job! Absolutely impressed with the bolts, arrow flight, penetration, and the broadheads. Adult arrows aren't just for compounds or recurves.
@@jordanbrillowski2571 335 Grains: 200 Grain Ethics Archery Insert + 125 Grain Magnus Black Hornet or 185 Grain Ethics Archery Insert + 150 Grain Magnus Stinger Buzzcut. I took the 200 Grain inserts and used a shop grinder to grind off 15 Grains of material to make the 185 Grain inserts. With COVID-19, I was having a hard time finding broadheads and was only able to get a few of the Black Hornets and Stinger Buzzcuts, so I set up six bolts for the Black Hornets and six for the Stinger Buzzcuts. Because both combos are 335 Grains up front and each arrow was tuned using the RF method, I can shoot either broadhead and don't have to make any adjustment to my scope. Below is my current set up: Excalibur Matrix 380 Black Eagle Executioner Bolts (18" Long @ 9.1 GPI) Ethics Archery Clean Cut Adjustable Static Inserts (.300) - These have "cut notches", so you can cut & grind to weight needed Lumenok "GTF" (28 Grains Each) 2.1" Q2i Fusion II Vanes (3 Vanes @ 7.5 Grains Each) Used AAE Epoxy for the Inserts and Loctite Gel Control Super Glue for the Vanes
Another great information video. I started shooting left three and one half inch fletch and noticed tighter groups at 40,50,and 60 yards. Going to adult arrows next year.
Great video. Only reason U.S. Army tanks use fin stabilized rounds with a smooth bore cannon is because at stupid fast meters per second the rifling gets worn out quickly. Precision weapons spin projectiles for accuracy.
I've tried for years to tell my compound friends that helical helps. I run 4 fletch right helical for my hunting arrows and 3 fletch helical for my target rigs. Started using the 2.5 inch bohning heat vanes this year after using blazers or duravanes my entire time shooting. Really liking them so far and they are much quieter than the blazers.
Fred Bear described helical as a curl in the fletching. Another wonderful side affect is a thicker profile of the fletching from the rear, giving the shooter a better chance at following the path of the arrow as it travels to the target. I use the EZ fletch fletcher (glues 3 feathers at the same time) 4 degree offset with 4 inch feathers. Fluorescent chartreuse is highly visible even in low light. White, or yellow is also good, but nothing beats fluorescent chartreuse in my testing. Keep rockin it Troy. Hopefully more lethal converts to come.
This is a great video! Answered my curiosity about fletchings. I’ve always just shot straight fletch bow shop arrows. I’m gonna build a set of adult arrows this year and wanted to know whether it mattered how to fletch them. 🌠 the more you know….
I went with your old suggestion for straight fletch right wing feathers and right bevel broad-head. So far so good. I've got a 783 grain Sirius Vulcan with 375 up front (18% FOC) that'll be hitting the woods.
I switched to a 3” parabolic right wing this year. I used a straight clamp with a 3 degree (I think) offset. They are flying great. I did notice that a couple of the arrows in my set spin way more than the others. The arrows that spin more always group tighter together than the other 5-6 arrows in the batch.
What’s happening is that the arrows that spin faster off your bow want to spin in that direction, the others are trying to go the other way, causing them to stall off the bow. Take one and mirror your fletch job on it, ill bet it will fly like the others. It works for me, i try to determine spin when knock tuning, and i dont give a 💩 about matching left/right wing to bevel and everything flies great.
I shot groups at 60 yards using a 200 grain cutthroat comparing a very slight helical to a heavy helical from a EZ Fletch Mini Max using 3” Q2i Griff-X vanes and the heavy helical won hands down. Best 6 arrow group was 3.5” at 60 yards. 525 grains 18.5% FOC
Paradox with a bow shot with a mechanical release will be on a vertical plane, shot with fingers it will be on a horizontal plane and much more influence on the arrow!
More great information!! Finally got to use my adult arrows 593 grains, on my first doe 20 yards talk about crazy I thought I missed, nope she went maybe 70 yards and fell over. Can't say thanks enough what a game changer!! 👏👏👏
I’ve seen many videos from this years public hunters thinking they missed and when slowed down, the pass through was that fast. Can’t wait to get mine setup this week
@@frag1313 it does take alot of time to set up but well worth the wait!!! I use the Black hornet ser razor's 100 grains . Broke the one rib on one side and cracked the other one on the other side. Good luck with your setup!!👍
Ive learned alot in the last few years watchin your vids. Thanks..i even keep watchin through your sarcasm. Lol...but the visor?? IDK maybe i watched too much Carlin in my younger days.lol..no seriously the 200 lbs buck walked under my tree straight away from me wouldn't turn wouldn't turn finally put on his r hip at 30 yrds 648gn arrow exits in front of L front shoulda..wow thanx again!
I own 6 bows and three of them have the ezv. I love them. Can you make another video on how to visualize on what you would be aiming. I seen plenty videos but yours I understand better
The way I have my bow tuned is we did the paper tune then went and tried a few different arrows to see which one the bow liked and we settled of the Easton axis spt 5mm with a 50 grain outsert and those arrows fly straight and they did very well on a doe I shot.
I like how he dumbs down dynamic spine and doesn’t say if your string twist this way it will automatically spin the arrow that way cause I thought u could take to the bank but not the case
Some people dont take into account the nature spin of thier arrow. When you shoot a bare shaft does it spin left or does it spin right? This should determine if you use left or right fletch. The way your string is twisted and the way the serving cross hatches that twist will determine a natural spin either left or right. If you put a right fletch on a left spinning arrow it will start out spinning left then slowly start spinning to the right not idea for " perfect arrow flight " edit I just noticed RF addressed this. I understand its minimal and more something target archers think about. But it bugs me and I just assume buy a string that twists clockwise and makes the arrow spin right to go along with my right fletch.
My bow shoots a bare shaft with no vanes to the left. I put a hard left helical on my arrows and wiw look out. They fly so smoth and fast at 550 grains its freakin crazy
@ #ranchfairynation 💡 I was honestly contemplating this subject yesterday whilst setting my pins to my new higher FOC shafts with 2 degree right wing helical with 3" feathers. your timing is impeccable👌 @ #keepcalmandshootadultarrows
Another cool video. Have you tried/ experimented with NAP's Quik spin vanes?These have a small ridge on one side of the edge of the vane. Unfortunately we in the crossbow community are very limited in the amount of helical we can put on our projectiles.
Lancaster archery just did a video showing slo mo of ther opposite helical directions coming off the bow. The one that went left the direction the bow clocked spun immediately, going opposite the arrow Hesitated then started spinning the direction the vanes were offset.
From the trad gear of selfbows to laminated bows to compound bows I've shot right helical to offset and killed rabbits and squirrels to deer . Just make sure it's leading point is glued down. Stuck in the hand sucks
I saw a video here a month or so ago. They tested the left ve right. There wasn't much difference. But was alittle. There is a hesitation to your arrows that spin left with a right helical. I think it made my arrow speed faster with a 3 vane hard left helical with a left spinning arrow. And if your bow sting is spun to the left it spins left if its spun right it goes right.. it's not going go change much. If you hit the vital V doesn't matter what way the arrows spinning its game over
I remember a video you did where you said if you properly tune your arrows you don’t need a helical fletch 😂 and I was thinking well I’m screwed I can’t tune my arrows that good so I went helical!
Well yes and no. But as I research around - helical helps where as straight fletch is more sketch. Now - FEATHERS are bent - even straight fletched - vanes are not
It would make sense that as the shaft turns more, the blade end is equalizing any “untrue” effect vs simply planing from the front wings. Any clocking and once an object is in motion, it tends to stay in motion, I think I would opt for the faster spin. Peyton Manning wobble pass would not be my choice over a tight spiral.
35 years ago when I was shooting a recurve, I was told to do Straight Fletch because if you had helical.... The deer would hear the Arrow coming! How stupid is that? They going to hear your string slap on the recurve but hopefully it's too late for him to vacate😁
You have me sold on the whole entire higher foc stuff and heavier arrows. Hoping for your expertise regarding the use of arrow wraps that include vanes. Are there any out there which have the helical aspect you are referring to?? I simply do not have a jig to install vanes.
Fletching jig - $30-$40. Glue one fletching for 12 arrows - $10-$15. Glue - $5. Total - $60 max. NAP quickspin wraps = $40/dozen. Why not buy the jig? For $20 more, you can have better helical and be set to do your own for life.
Hah, since your last comment, "THIS COULD BE THE SHORTEST VIDEO EVER" I nearly died of old age waiting for the 5 minuet intro and advertisements to get over with!
Does the degree/angle of the helical make a difference? Ex. will an arrow with a high offset helical fly better than one with only a slight offset? I'm shooting stock vane grizzlystiks and wondering if I should get them re-fletched.
I have some 2219 Easton aluminum shafts and want to try to make some 16.5” quills for my Micro Mag 340. I have feathers left over from my vertical bow days..arrow building. They are longer than the plastic Blazers that are on the factory BEE quills. Does it matter how long the feathers are..the length that runs along the shaft?
I love the shop videos trying to justify the things they sell that go against common sense and science, all because of the RF videos. A few are getting on board but we need more. Almost every archery video nowadays shows arrows getting poor penetration. It’s a shame that more are not realizing that they need to change what they are doing.
Good video. Couple of comments, a bullet dosen't have fletchings. With a single bevel broadhead if your helical is counter to twist the single bevel creates it can hurt penetration.
So if using a single level bevel the helical should match the direction . Is there any benefit to which helical direction fletchings should be mounted if you are a left draw versus a right? Thanks for any input!
No, arrow will start to rotate when it clear's the bow. You should match wings (all left or all right) on single arrow. Dr. Ashby advocates the use of straight fletchings on single bevel broadheads. If someone wants helical on single bevel then I would select point and match fletchings to it.
I just fletched an arrow for the first time. I put four 3 inch feathers on at 4 degrees. Laser. Goes wherever my eyes are. I'd gotten used to some erratic wobble and assumed it was my release every time (stickbow). Well now the thing is like its on a wire and it hits the middle of the middle of my groups. I've gone back to bare shaft 3 times and tightened my groups up by being just neurotic. My arrows were 3x4" at 1 to 3 degrees and I was a resigning myself to a life of knuckleballing and thinking it was the tips needing to be filed or my cranky old bow. My big clue was I ripped off a whole fletch from one arrow in the elk woods and it still shot in the group. Same every-third-time corkscrew. Broadheads (single bevel right) actually helped that set. I love learning but it's embarrassing when it takes way too long to listen to the obvious, to acknowledge the gut feeling. And to watch Troy effin Fowler's thoughts on the matter.
ive noticed with 2" blazers that with a helical jig i barely see any difference from a straight jig. should i switch to a 3" vane or just throw some offset in?
So will adult arrows work out of the hickery creek mini inline vertical crossbow? I made the switch to the crossbow because of an elbow issue. The mini has an arrow rest and shoots basically regular arrows they are just cut to 23 inches....thoughts, suggestions.
So sorry if you've covered this before but any thoughts on the micro diameter shaft arrows? I've been following your advice, using a heavy foc, single bevel, helical with my recurve and then started trying these micro diameter.... they seem to shoot really well, but curious on your input
good video ... left or right helical? how much helical? would be interesting to see at distances what happens to speed at impact with some variations. Heck, bare shaft at 20 yards.... it should be like a dart.
Then there is 'gyroscopic stability.' Rocket man knows about it. Oh, from what I've seen on slow-mo videos. Finger shooting paradox is horizontal & release shooting's paradox is usually vertical.
I read an article in the last year in traditional bowhunter magazine in which the author put forth a strong case for straight fletching. He argued that the bullet illustration is flawed because arrows operate more like missiles and missiles do best with straight wings. I will have to re-read that article and see which is more convincing. I did switch to straight fetch with my longbow and I've been happy so far.
@@RanchFairy I DID try it and have been happy with how my straight fletched arrow fly out of my longbow. A feather has some natural helical but that helical is exaggerated when put on the arrow with a helical clamp. Its influence is increased when that helical is put on with an offset. The authors argument was that feathers put on straight cause sufficient spin to stabilize and that by adding more helical or offset you are losing energy and making the arrow louder. I can see why this WOULD NOT MATTER for compounds but it makes sense for traditional bows. My purpose of posting was not to argue but just to bring awareness to some counter opinions. I will try to find the article online and link to it. The article presented some extensive testing and data. I'm assuming you would like to hear about other peoples testing results.
The article is in the 2019 Feb / Mar Traditional Bowhunter Magazine by Stephen Graf. I cant find it online. You probably don't care, but the author did a ton of testing and IMO it is worth a read.
Is it safe to assume that your left/right helical needs to match a left or right bevel on a single bevel broadhead? Or…. Is there such a thing as a left hand bevel on a broadhead, or are they all a right side bevel? Sorry for the noob question.
Shot some different setups today. One thing I was listening for was the helical and the left or right single bevel. I found they were the same but changed enough stuff that I should probably start whole process over. Added 5 lbs to draw weight, now went past the 300/250 bridge. 300’s we’re making about a 6” circle from bow to target. Went to 250 straightened up. 250’s were pre fletched I’m still knock tuning and it’s working. I still have yet to find my perfect arrow. Apollos were out of stock on 250’s. Trying them next. What’s your experience with orions? You, THP 👍 good videos guys, thank you
Bought your kit👍, it didn’t save the hundreds I’ve spent searching for my setup but it will save the other hundreds I probably would’ve spent! Lost a ironwill yesterday, found arrow but had broke off. I tend to learn things the hard way. Losing the broadhead made me know my shaft was to light. You had that semi circle flight pattern in a video too I watched after the fact😂. You use cheaper broadheads while to begin with? Say for instance if I would’ve used a black hornet, I would’ve got the same circle effect of the light shaft with that? Being it shot fine with insert and 125 gr field tip. The broadhead magnified like you’ve said. I’ve never looked for a broken piece of arrow so hard in my life. It circled right of the block at 30yds hit rock on edge of field and ricocheted left into my field that is cultivated and just got 5” of rain on. It was a mucky mess. Little worried I’d find it with my leg. Too wet and too many rocks.
Hey RF, from a physics perspective, the reason why spinning objects fly straighter is because of something called rotational momentum. Spinning objects have momentum that resist changes to direction. It is the reason why you can stay upright while riding a moving bike but tip over on a stationary bike. The spinning wheels resist changes to direction (you tipping over). Same is true of bullets, footballs, and presumably arrows. I would assume this would be especially true of adult sized arrows because the more mass there is that is spinning, the more resistance to changes in direction it will have
@@RanchFairy why not develop a 2 piece insert with a spring that transfers some of the initial forward energy from the bowstring into rotational energy on the insert and broadhead? A spinning broadhead might have more rotational momentum than the air going through the fletching.
I thought the same thing, and I still like it out to about 30yards , though i really cant tell a difference in accuracy. However, shooting in back yard out past about 75-80 and especially when you get to 100+ , I would never run helical. It slows the arrow down too much and kills accuracy. What I would suggest is do it . Its fun to tinker and find how everything works for you. But when it gets to season, be ready with what you KNOW works. Don’t experiment on a live quiver. Unless it’s a coyote…. Then all bets are off.
Dude! Bro I get all the physics your dropping. Agree. But I don’t care! I watch your videos and subscribed because of your quirky way of saying what you say! Hypnotic!
but straight offset has spin, just probably not as much as helical. just wondering if straight offset is as accurate as helical, say within 20 yards using field points. I have the bletzenburger helical and thinking about getting the straight jig but hate wasting money. lol
I like this theory. Rifling and comparing arrows to reloading. Precision reloading we do things in 0.01 grains and a minimum. Like why not do the same thing with archery? I bet the pro archers wear the pionty hats and do this! In reloading the heavier the bullet the faster the rifling has to be. Therefore it makes since that you would have to be the same with heavy arrows. The more heavy the arrow the more spin you need on the back. I am not the smartest just putting on a pointy hat.
Lol, you trust this guy over people that make their money in archery. RF has some really good info, but he is not the archery expert. A bullet would be more comparable to a football flying through the air. An arrow would be more relatable to a missile. Wonder how many missiles have a helical vane on the back end?
PET PEEVE...If you say something enough times (though it be incorrect) people will begin to think it is fact. The archer's paradox is the phenomenon of an arrow traveling in the direction it is pointed at full draw, when it seems that the arrow would have to pass through the starting position it was in before being drawn, where it was pointed to the side of the target. The bending of the arrow when released is the explanation for why the paradox occurs and should not be confused with the paradox itself.
How does the spin not create more drag on the broadheads? Now your broadhead is swimming through the air instead of gliding. I can understand if you're shooting bullet points. Also what happens upon contact when using a broadhead? Seems like it's easier to stab a piece of cardboard with a knife than it is to twist it in. Inquiring minds want to know.
How much spin do you think is occurring? Answer - Think one rotation in 6-8 feet. It’s not a drill, just a way to insure the projectile is biting into the atmosphere consistently.
I like the idea of spinning arrows! But the riflings in a rifle is not a good analogy. The riflings spin the bullet from the start. The arrows stabilize then spin. They are probably 20 feet down range by the time they start spinning. This is fine but more spin would be better. Think I will make a real spinner and see what happens
A properly tuned bow and correctly spined arrows is the only thing that I’ve noticed that matters. All the uber tuning of the arrows(ie. nock tuning, spine indexing, insert tuning, etc) hasn’t made a lick of difference in arrow flight. If the only thing that actually changes the rotation of the arrow in mid flight(fletching against the natural rotation of your arrow) doesn’t matter, then nothing does. If it makes one feel better to do it, then by all means, have at it. It’s just not necessary.
Last year I was a total loser with poor arrow flight and a non existent sex life. Now after following RF’s guidance, I get perfect arrow flight, bust through scapulas, make better money at work, and consistently land smokeshows. Thanks RF!!!!
😂🤣 and they all got huge tits too.
Yep, it checks out, RF is the sh@T !!
God Bless You good sir!
Big racks all the way around!
That’s my list of perfection.
Took my time with the ranch fairy youtube videos and taken everything in on building my 570 grain arrow with the magnus broadhead, I've taken 2 does and 1 buck with the SAME ARROW and BROADHEAD all I've done everytime is sharpen up the blade. Blowing through each one sticking in the dirt at least 6 inches. THANK YOU RANCH FAIRY!!!!!!
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A hundred years ago, I was in the Army. We used "adult" projectiles like the Armor-Piercing, Fin- STABILIZED, Discarding Sabot - Tracer. We were instructed that once a projectile's length exceeds its diameter by a certain amount, rifling is less effective than something akin to fletching (fins). Arrows are spin-stabilized more effectively by helical fletching than straight fletching. "Spin-Stabilized" might make a good t-shirt. Thank you for your great content
Good point from a 19K!
Trust the fairy wisdom! After so many arrow builds, I indexed, tuned, & used helical feathers this season. Best arrows I've ever made, field point or Cutthroat! Thanks Ranch!!
Fairy!!!!!!!!! I love the fact you are strait up commonsense yet you still use science. Strait gold brother.
Most educational content on arrow physics. Started my process the end of the summer, was able to add 50 gr and increase my FOC a little... This year will be the year of the "Process". We'll see what happens and what I end up with. 🏹
Added Helical to my arrows this year after the tuning process. Best flight and groupings I’ve ever had. It works! Oh and picked up one of your shirts. Good stuff!
Do you also offset fletching when using a helical set up (clamp)? If so which way? Bow spins left, I tried a left helical straight and with left offset. The left offset helical seems to knuckle ball.
Followed the RF process for a set of six crossbow bolts. 540 grains, 25% FOC, & hand sharpened Magnus Black Hornets and Buzz Cut Stingers. Have shot one buck and four does (Tennessee and Illinois). Complete pass throughs except for one doe. Doe was quartering to me and I aimed at the "vital V". As I shot, she spun toward me and dropped, the bolt hit her in the neck, went completely across her body and almost exited on the opposite side by her rear ham. Found the bolt on the ground about 25 yards from where I shot her and found her piled up 25 yards from there. A plan "B" bolt that did its job! Absolutely impressed with the bolts, arrow flight, penetration, and the broadheads. Adult arrows aren't just for compounds or recurves.
How much weight do you have up front with the broadhead and insert/outsert?
@@jordanbrillowski2571 335 Grains: 200 Grain Ethics Archery Insert + 125 Grain Magnus Black Hornet or 185 Grain Ethics Archery Insert + 150 Grain Magnus Stinger Buzzcut. I took the 200 Grain inserts and used a shop grinder to grind off 15 Grains of material to make the 185 Grain inserts. With COVID-19, I was having a hard time finding broadheads and was only able to get a few of the Black Hornets and Stinger Buzzcuts, so I set up six bolts for the Black Hornets and six for the Stinger Buzzcuts. Because both combos are 335 Grains up front and each arrow was tuned using the RF method, I can shoot either broadhead and don't have to make any adjustment to my scope. Below is my current set up:
Excalibur Matrix 380
Black Eagle Executioner Bolts (18" Long @ 9.1 GPI)
Ethics Archery Clean Cut Adjustable Static Inserts (.300) - These have "cut notches", so you can cut & grind to weight needed
Lumenok "GTF" (28 Grains Each)
2.1" Q2i Fusion II Vanes (3 Vanes @ 7.5 Grains Each)
Used AAE Epoxy for the Inserts and Loctite Gel Control Super Glue for the Vanes
Thanks for the time big RF. Awesome advice as always.
Another great information video. I started shooting left three and one half inch fletch and noticed tighter groups at 40,50,and 60 yards. Going to adult arrows next year.
Hmmmm....Sirius Batman arrows??? Interesting...nice intro update too. You’ve taught me well to notice the details. Thanks for the insight.
Great video. Only reason U.S. Army tanks use fin stabilized rounds with a smooth bore cannon is because at stupid fast meters per second the rifling gets worn out quickly. Precision weapons spin projectiles for accuracy.
I've tried for years to tell my compound friends that helical helps. I run 4 fletch right helical for my hunting arrows and 3 fletch helical for my target rigs. Started using the 2.5 inch bohning heat vanes this year after using blazers or duravanes my entire time shooting. Really liking them so far and they are much quieter than the blazers.
Slogan for merch: "Ask me about Adult Arrows"
Fred Bear described helical as a curl in the fletching. Another wonderful side affect is a thicker profile of the fletching from the rear, giving the shooter a better chance at following the path of the arrow as it travels to the target. I use the EZ fletch fletcher (glues 3 feathers at the same time) 4 degree offset with 4 inch feathers. Fluorescent chartreuse is highly visible even in low light. White, or yellow is also good, but nothing beats fluorescent chartreuse in my testing. Keep rockin it Troy. Hopefully more lethal converts to come.
This is a great video! Answered my curiosity about fletchings. I’ve always just shot straight fletch bow shop arrows. I’m gonna build a set of adult arrows this year and wanted to know whether it mattered how to fletch them. 🌠 the more you know….
I went with your old suggestion for straight fletch right wing feathers and right bevel broad-head. So far so good. I've got a 783 grain Sirius Vulcan with 375 up front (18% FOC) that'll be hitting the woods.
I expected to see wings on the back of your Ranch Fairy shirts. Good info here. Love your vids. Hunt safe.
Dude at first I thought you were crazy, but entertaining! But you know what I'm starting to believe your methods. Please keep putting out content!
Great content - yep
Crazy - full send - I just can’t do the linear boring economics professor
I switched to a 3” parabolic right wing this year. I used a straight clamp with a 3 degree (I think) offset. They are flying great. I did notice that a couple of the arrows in my set spin way more than the others. The arrows that spin more always group tighter together than the other 5-6 arrows in the batch.
What’s happening is that the arrows that spin faster off your bow want to spin in that direction, the others are trying to go the other way, causing them to stall off the bow.
Take one and mirror your fletch job on it, ill bet it will fly like the others.
It works for me, i try to determine spin when knock tuning, and i dont give a 💩 about matching left/right wing to bevel and everything flies great.
so much wisdom from Ranch Fairy!!!
I shot groups at 60 yards using a 200 grain cutthroat comparing a very slight helical to a heavy helical from a EZ Fletch Mini Max using 3” Q2i Griff-X vanes and the heavy helical won hands down. Best 6 arrow group was 3.5” at 60 yards.
525 grains 18.5% FOC
Need a shirt with a circle and line crossing out with the words Twizzlers and flappers!! 👍
Paradox with a bow shot with a mechanical release will be on a vertical plane, shot with fingers it will be on a horizontal plane and much more influence on the arrow!
More great information!! Finally got to use my adult arrows 593 grains, on my first doe 20 yards talk about crazy I thought I missed, nope she went maybe 70 yards and fell over. Can't say thanks enough what a game changer!! 👏👏👏
I’ve seen many videos from this years public hunters thinking they missed and when slowed down, the pass through was that fast. Can’t wait to get mine setup this week
@@frag1313 it does take alot of time to set up but well worth the wait!!! I use the Black hornet ser razor's 100 grains . Broke the one rib on one side and cracked the other one on the other side. Good luck with your setup!!👍
@@johnschmit9903 thanks man and this setup seems to be passing through everything it touches
Ive learned alot in the last few years watchin your vids. Thanks..i even keep watchin through your sarcasm. Lol...but the visor?? IDK maybe i watched too much Carlin in my younger days.lol..no seriously the 200 lbs buck walked under my tree straight away from me wouldn't turn wouldn't turn finally put on his r hip at 30 yrds 648gn arrow exits in front of L front shoulda..wow thanx again!
I own 6 bows and three of them have the ezv.
I love them.
Can you make another video on how to visualize on what you would be aiming.
I seen plenty videos but yours I understand better
The way I have my bow tuned is we did the paper tune then went and tried a few different arrows to see which one the bow liked and we settled of the Easton axis spt 5mm with a 50 grain outsert and those arrows fly straight and they did very well on a doe I shot.
So I built some 650 grain Adult arrows. Now my target doesn't stop them! WTH ? Lol
I like how he dumbs down dynamic spine and doesn’t say if your string twist this way it will automatically spin the arrow that way cause I thought u could take to the bank but not the case
Thank for your help in the past my arrows fly like a dart 534 grain and bulls eye at 85 yrds 220 speed
Preach brother! The true believers are listening.
Having been out of the bow shooting game for a while im surprised anyone would shoot straight. Helical was a given in 2000 when I got my bow.
And has been for the past 2000+ years. Just another example of arrogant modern humans fixing somethin that wasn't broken
I even put a blazer vain on with a right heliacal and it won hands down. It put a good spin to the Magnus as suffer 3 blade head.
Some people dont take into account the nature spin of thier arrow. When you shoot a bare shaft does it spin left or does it spin right? This should determine if you use left or right fletch. The way your string is twisted and the way the serving cross hatches that twist will determine a natural spin either left or right. If you put a right fletch on a left spinning arrow it will start out spinning left then slowly start spinning to the right not idea for " perfect arrow flight " edit I just noticed RF addressed this. I understand its minimal and more something target archers think about. But it bugs me and I just assume buy a string that twists clockwise and makes the arrow spin right to go along with my right fletch.
My bow shoots a bare shaft with no vanes to the left. I put a hard left helical on my arrows and wiw look out. They fly so smoth and fast at 550 grains its freakin crazy
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I was honestly contemplating this subject yesterday whilst setting my pins to my new higher FOC shafts with 2 degree right wing helical with 3" feathers.
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Another cool video. Have you tried/ experimented with NAP's Quik spin vanes?These have a small ridge on one side of the edge of the vane. Unfortunately we in the crossbow community are very limited in the amount of helical we can put on our projectiles.
Yes they’re garbage. Great for a year, and they do spin really well. But give it a year and they fall apart. Never had less durable fletchings.
Try the ozcut hurricane . It's a 3 blade single bevel with offset . They fly bloody awesome .
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I whacked my biggest buck to date 2 days ago with my new RF Apollos, 590 grains blasted thru both ribs and the heart at 45 yards
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Lancaster archery just did a video showing slo mo of ther opposite helical directions coming off the bow. The one that went left the direction the bow clocked spun immediately, going opposite the arrow Hesitated then started spinning the direction the vanes were offset.
Yep - working on this now with high speed camera
From the trad gear of selfbows to laminated bows to compound bows I've shot right helical to offset and killed rabbits and squirrels to deer . Just make sure it's leading point is glued down. Stuck in the hand sucks
I saw a video here a month or so ago. They tested the left ve right. There wasn't much difference. But was alittle. There is a hesitation to your arrows that spin left with a right helical. I think it made my arrow speed faster with a 3 vane hard left helical with a left spinning arrow. And if your bow sting is spun to the left it spins left if its spun right it goes right.. it's not going go change much. If you hit the vital V doesn't matter what way the arrows spinning its game over
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@9:25 I was literally picking my nose. 😆
Ranch whats the max size tear you should be seeing while nock tuning? 2-3"?
I remember a video you did where you said if you properly tune your arrows you don’t need a helical fletch 😂 and I was thinking well I’m screwed I can’t tune my arrows that good so I went helical!
Well yes and no. But as I research around - helical helps where as straight fletch is more sketch.
Now - FEATHERS are bent - even straight fletched - vanes are not
Does a helical fletching create more sound as the arrow flies? Also, with the drag of helical fletching can it be shot through a DikDik Bow?
Have you tried the spinning inserts from ethics?
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It would make sense that as the shaft turns more, the blade end is equalizing any “untrue” effect vs simply planing from the front wings. Any clocking and once an object is in motion, it tends to stay in motion, I think I would opt for the faster spin. Peyton Manning wobble pass would not be my choice over a tight spiral.
dropping truth bombs as always
Heavier longer bullets require a tighter twist rate to stabilize them so it only makes sense.
35 years ago when I was shooting a recurve, I was told to do Straight Fletch because if you had helical.... The deer would hear the Arrow coming! How stupid is that? They going to hear your string slap on the recurve but hopefully it's too late for him to vacate😁
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You have me sold on the whole entire higher foc stuff and heavier arrows. Hoping for your expertise regarding the use of arrow wraps that include vanes. Are there any out there which have the helical aspect you are referring to?? I simply do not have a jig to install vanes.
Fletching jig - $30-$40. Glue one fletching for 12 arrows - $10-$15. Glue - $5. Total - $60 max.
NAP quickspin wraps = $40/dozen.
Why not buy the jig? For $20 more, you can have better helical and be set to do your own for life.
But Troy. The Mechanicals fly like field points! That's what the box says...with fine print (in a vacuum). 😜
Hah, since your last comment, "THIS COULD BE THE SHORTEST VIDEO EVER" I nearly died of old age waiting for the 5 minuet intro and advertisements to get over with!
What’s the deal with the EZ Button arrows? You referenced more on that later, maybe that was later as in not this video??
Does the degree/angle of the helical make a difference? Ex. will an arrow with a high offset helical fly better than one with only a slight offset? I'm shooting stock vane grizzlystiks and wondering if I should get them re-fletched.
Not necessarily. You should always have some spin, but you can go overboard and have too much spin. 2 to 4 degrees should do it.
I have some 2219 Easton aluminum shafts and want to try to make some 16.5” quills for my Micro Mag 340. I have feathers left over from my vertical bow days..arrow building. They are longer than the plastic Blazers that are on the factory BEE quills. Does it matter how long the feathers are..the length that runs along the shaft?
I love the shop videos trying to justify the things they sell that go against common sense and science, all because of the RF videos. A few are getting on board but we need more. Almost every archery video nowadays shows arrows getting poor penetration. It’s a shame that more are not realizing that they need to change what they are doing.
Good video. Couple of comments, a bullet dosen't have fletchings. With a single bevel broadhead if your helical is counter to twist the single bevel creates it can hurt penetration.
So if using a single level bevel the helical should match the direction . Is there any benefit to which helical direction fletchings should be mounted if you are a left draw versus a right?
Thanks for any input!
No, arrow will start to rotate when it clear's the bow. You should match wings (all left or all right) on single arrow. Dr. Ashby advocates the use of straight fletchings on single bevel broadheads. If someone wants helical on single bevel then I would select point and match fletchings to it.
I just fletched an arrow for the first time. I put four 3 inch feathers on at 4 degrees. Laser. Goes wherever my eyes are. I'd gotten used to some erratic wobble and assumed it was my release every time (stickbow). Well now the thing is like its on a wire and it hits the middle of the middle of my groups. I've gone back to bare shaft 3 times and tightened my groups up by being just neurotic. My arrows were 3x4" at 1 to 3 degrees and I was a resigning myself to a life of knuckleballing and thinking it was the tips needing to be filed or my cranky old bow. My big clue was I ripped off a whole fletch from one arrow in the elk woods and it still shot in the group. Same every-third-time corkscrew. Broadheads (single bevel right) actually helped that set.
I love learning but it's embarrassing when it takes way too long to listen to the obvious, to acknowledge the gut feeling. And to watch Troy effin Fowler's thoughts on the matter.
Here is your next evolution!!!! With a stickbow.
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ive noticed with 2" blazers that with a helical jig i barely see any difference from a straight jig. should i switch to a 3" vane or just throw some offset in?
Add some offset. U won't get much helical on a blazer
Arizona EZ Fletch Mini Max puts a very healthy helical on a 2” Blazer. Makes them much quieter in flight also.
Troy!?
I wanna know, how you know, I'm picking my nose....? 😮
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So will adult arrows work out of the hickery creek mini inline vertical crossbow? I made the switch to the crossbow because of an elbow issue. The mini has an arrow rest and shoots basically regular arrows they are just cut to 23 inches....thoughts, suggestions.
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Is it right fletching for right hand single bevel?
Yes
So sorry if you've covered this before but any thoughts on the micro diameter shaft arrows? I've been following your advice, using a heavy foc, single bevel, helical with my recurve and then started trying these micro diameter.... they seem to shoot really well, but curious on your input
Yes
If they fly - perfect - then perfect !!
@@RanchFairy rock on! Thanks for the great videos
360p potatovision hurts my eyes. But the info was great!
Troy, what glue do you use for vanes and feathers, I was having difficulty gluing feathers onto a carbon shaft using AAE glue
Bohning fletch fuse
@@RanchFairy Thank you !
90 % clocking is to the left due to the direction the serving is wrapped around your string is industry wide the same for most manufacturers
Yeah - working on that
good video ... left or right helical? how much helical? would be interesting to see at distances what happens to speed at impact with some variations. Heck, bare shaft at 20 yards.... it should be like a dart.
It’s on my channel!!
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Can you use a right helical vane set up on a "left"/ counter clockwise bow? Most shots will be under 22 yards
99% of people been doing it forever.
someday...when I grow up... I wanna hang and hunt with RF
Then there is 'gyroscopic stability.' Rocket man knows about it. Oh, from what I've seen on slow-mo videos. Finger shooting paradox is horizontal & release shooting's paradox is usually vertical.
Yep - more to come. Little bits of genius at a time
I read an article in the last year in traditional bowhunter magazine in which the author put forth a strong case for straight fletching. He argued that the bullet illustration is flawed because arrows operate more like missiles and missiles do best with straight wings. I will have to re-read that article and see which is more convincing. I did switch to straight fetch with my longbow and I've been happy so far.
There’s this thing.....called try it!! And see!!
TRADITIONAL = feathers - they are bent......by God
@@RanchFairy I DID try it and have been happy with how my straight fletched arrow fly out of my longbow. A feather has some natural helical but that helical is exaggerated when put on the arrow with a helical clamp. Its influence is increased when that helical is put on with an offset. The authors argument was that feathers put on straight cause sufficient spin to stabilize and that by adding more helical or offset you are losing energy and making the arrow louder. I can see why this WOULD NOT MATTER for compounds but it makes sense for traditional bows. My purpose of posting was not to argue but just to bring awareness to some counter opinions. I will try to find the article online and link to it. The article presented some extensive testing and data. I'm assuming you would like to hear about other peoples testing results.
The article is in the 2019 Feb / Mar Traditional Bowhunter Magazine by Stephen Graf. I cant find it online. You probably don't care, but the author did a ton of testing and IMO it is worth a read.
Difference is a missile is pointy on the end like a field point, not winged like a broadhead.
Is it safe to assume that your left/right helical needs to match a left or right bevel on a single bevel broadhead? Or…. Is there such a thing as a left hand bevel on a broadhead, or are they all a right side bevel? Sorry for the noob question.
It’s logical
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Shot some different setups today. One thing I was listening for was the helical and the left or right single bevel. I found they were the same but changed enough stuff that I should probably start whole process over. Added 5 lbs to draw weight, now went past the 300/250 bridge. 300’s we’re making about a 6” circle from bow to target. Went to 250 straightened up. 250’s were pre fletched I’m still knock tuning and it’s working. I still have yet to find my perfect arrow. Apollos were out of stock on 250’s. Trying them next. What’s your experience with orions? You, THP 👍 good videos guys, thank you
Apollo’s will be back in a few weeks
Orions a great arrow - I hate the sleeves….
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Bought your kit👍, it didn’t save the hundreds I’ve spent searching for my setup but it will save the other hundreds I probably would’ve spent! Lost a ironwill yesterday, found arrow but had broke off. I tend to learn things the hard way. Losing the broadhead made me know my shaft was to light. You had that semi circle flight pattern in a video too I watched after the fact😂. You use cheaper broadheads while to begin with? Say for instance if I would’ve used a black hornet, I would’ve got the same circle effect of the light shaft with that? Being it shot fine with insert and 125 gr field tip. The broadhead magnified like you’ve said. I’ve never looked for a broken piece of arrow so hard in my life. It circled right of the block at 30yds hit rock on edge of field and ricocheted left into my field that is cultivated and just got 5” of rain on. It was a mucky mess. Little worried I’d find it with my leg. Too wet and too many rocks.
I was actually picking my nose... busted!
I was wondering what your thoughts are on the annihilator broadheads?
They are short
Have 3 blades and montec’s have been around forever - the science piece....yeah right
I found this channel last week. Now I have to rebuild all of my damn arrows, F*ck... Wish you could necropsy THP's latest buck.
Stay tuned
Hey RF, from a physics perspective, the reason why spinning objects fly straighter is because of something called rotational momentum. Spinning objects have momentum that resist changes to direction. It is the reason why you can stay upright while riding a moving bike but tip over on a stationary bike. The spinning wheels resist changes to direction (you tipping over). Same is true of bullets, footballs, and presumably arrows. I would assume this would be especially true of adult sized arrows because the more mass there is that is spinning, the more resistance to changes in direction it will have
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@@RanchFairy why not develop a 2 piece insert with a spring that transfers some of the initial forward energy from the bowstring into rotational energy on the insert and broadhead? A spinning broadhead might have more rotational momentum than the air going through the fletching.
I know I'm old but am I blind? Where can we get the cool shirts and hoodies? Thanks!
Should be right below the comment section if you are using a phone
Dang it. Now I gotta spend more money. I’ll go with the Fairy hoodie to piss off the archery bros and confuse the uninitiated.
Of course, it depends on the feather/vane being used.
Aerodynamically- nope
I thought the same thing, and I still like it out to about 30yards , though i really cant tell a difference in accuracy. However, shooting in back yard out past about 75-80 and especially when you get to 100+ , I would never run helical. It slows the arrow down too much and kills accuracy. What I would suggest is do it . Its fun to tinker and find how everything works for you. But when it gets to season, be ready with what you KNOW works. Don’t experiment on a live quiver. Unless it’s a coyote…. Then all bets are off.
Dude! Bro I get all the physics your dropping. Agree. But I don’t care! I watch your videos and subscribed because of your quirky way of saying what you say! Hypnotic!
RF as a fisherman would you compare fletching to a driftsock on a fishing boat?
Not in any way possible.
Fletch is a 360 degree lifting device.
but straight offset has spin, just probably not as much as helical. just wondering if straight offset is as accurate as helical, say within 20 yards using field points. I have the bletzenburger helical and thinking about getting the straight jig but hate wasting money. lol
Bare shaft the arrows
Then nock tune
That solves it all
I like this theory. Rifling and comparing arrows to reloading. Precision reloading we do things in 0.01 grains and a minimum. Like why not do the same thing with archery? I bet the pro archers wear the pionty hats and do this! In reloading the heavier the bullet the faster the rifling has to be. Therefore it makes since that you would have to be the same with heavy arrows. The more heavy the arrow the more spin you need on the back. I am not the smartest just putting on a pointy hat.
Lol, you trust this guy over people that make their money in archery. RF has some really good info, but he is not the archery expert. A bullet would be more comparable to a football flying through the air. An arrow would be more relatable to a missile. Wonder how many missiles have a helical vane on the back end?
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PET PEEVE...If you say something enough times (though it be incorrect) people will begin to think it is fact.
The archer's paradox is the phenomenon of an arrow traveling in the direction it is pointed at full draw, when it seems that the arrow would have to pass through the starting position it was in before being drawn, where it was pointed to the side of the target.
The bending of the arrow when released is the explanation for why the paradox occurs and should not be confused with the paradox itself.
Watch Byron Ferguson on smarter everyday. This explanation looks like it came from Wikipedia and is very wordy.
How does the spin not create more drag on the broadheads? Now your broadhead is swimming through the air instead of gliding. I can understand if you're shooting bullet points. Also what happens upon contact when using a broadhead? Seems like it's easier to stab a piece of cardboard with a knife than it is to twist it in. Inquiring minds want to know.
How much spin do you think is occurring?
Answer - Think one rotation in 6-8 feet. It’s not a drill, just a way to insure the projectile is biting into the atmosphere consistently.
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I like the idea of spinning arrows!
But the riflings in a rifle is not a good analogy. The riflings spin the bullet from the start. The arrows stabilize then spin.
They are probably 20 feet down range by the time they start spinning. This is fine but more spin would be better. Think I will make a real spinner and see what happens
Would have to disagree with your 20ft claim. Check out slow motion videos, they start rotation as soon as nock leaves string contact.
I like the hoodie, but the ads? I thought you didn't do ads RF...
Only on the approved stuff - all my kills and autopsies are demonitozed And some of my ok stuff but the dead critter pictures are “offensive”
A properly tuned bow and correctly spined arrows is the only thing that I’ve noticed that matters. All the uber tuning of the arrows(ie. nock tuning, spine indexing, insert tuning, etc) hasn’t made a lick of difference in arrow flight. If the only thing that actually changes the rotation of the arrow in mid flight(fletching against the natural rotation of your arrow) doesn’t matter, then nothing does. If it makes one feel better to do it, then by all means, have at it. It’s just not necessary.
Great! I guess it's ok to keep trying all this stupidity anyway.
Ain’t no doubt. Without trying it, an individual will never know what works best for them.
Doesn't Dr. Ashby recommend straight fletch?