Absolutely love your videos!!! I am just starting to get into archery and your videos are extremely helpful for narrowing down options for gear. keep up the good work. I'm already looking forward to your next video.
Lucas Ashbaugh This is why I make these videos! I wish I had half the electronic resources available to me when I started archery as there are now. So I figured giving others what I so desperately needed was a good idea! Keep watching and God bless.
I am really enjoying your videos, but I do have a couple of comments on this one in particular. I shoot both traditional and compound, and I will comment on each. First as far as traditional bows go, feathers have always been the standard. However, that does NOT mean vanes won't work. I shoot a recurve (Bodnick Kiowa) with a Bear Weatherest. It shoots great with feather fletches, but it also shoots great with the 2 7/8" Vanetec Swift vanes I use. My cousin has also had good luck with NAP Quickspin vanes from his Kodiak Magnum and Bear Weatherest. Shooting off the shelf means feathers only, but the Weatherest makes vanes work just fine. As far as compounds go, I mostly agree that you CAN use either long or short vanes...unless you are using a whisker biscuit rest. The whisker biscuit was originally designed for use with feathers, and it still works great with them. On the other hand, if you shoot 5" vanes through a whisker biscuit, it will wrinkle the devil out of the vanes. Blazers work great with the biscuit as do the short Vanetecs, but I ruined enough of the regular length vanes with a biscuit to first switch to the shorter vanes and eventually to a QAD fall away rest, which works well with anything I've used. Keep up the great videos. i'm not trying to be critical, just adding some info you might be able to use. Feel free to test these things for yourself. Thanks!
Keep making the awesome videos! I personally shoot Black Eagle Zombie Slayer arrows with the short Blazer vanes and they are the straightest more high end arrows I have shot. I used to shoot the older Victory V6 before they changed them to the sport. Either way short vanes are the best for hunting all types of game
Don't forget there is also now the hybrid options so Trad archers no longer 'have' to shoot feathers anymore... Check out the AAE WAV and Trad vanes for someone wanting a weather proof hunting or target option for traditional bows...
Five inch turkey feather parabolic has always been my go to. I shoot trad AFB and English longbow. At 45# at my draw I'm still reaching the distances. Though I go to a 2.5 inch low profile fletch for a clout.
Same here just getting back into archery and was wondering this very question you answered, here's another one how about length of arrow? I have a 30" draw so do I need to have new arrows cut or leave them at 32" which is what I think them come at, love your videos very helpful thx in advance.
Glenn Cucci it all depends on the spine of your arrow. The longer the arrow the stiffer the spine needs to be. I shoot a 30-inch arrow with a 30 inch draw with a 60 pound moderately aggressive cam. That Arrow setup requires a 300 spine Arrow shaft.
I need large feather 5" feather fletching I expect to get large fletching, but when I received them I get narrow fletching which is not what I want even when I ask for a large rear and narrow at the tip
I'm starting to shoot compound with fingers I'll be hunting and outdoor target shooting with 340 spine shafts I'll be using the aae trad vanes most likely which size would be best I've only ever shot 4 -5 " vanes and feathers thank you
Hi Jack , 😊 enjoy your videos and all the effort that you expend . Ready to get technical..Need your help . I own a Buck Commander BCX extreme ☦️..365 FPS . I have been shooting 391 grains .. concentrating on deer less than 30 yards . Shot 3 2017/2018 . I am increasing mY FOC TO 710 grains for 2019 .I want to work on interior impact..My question •• Iam planning on attaining an 8” group at 100 yards in 2020 if I should live so long . I want a lighter shaft . BARNETT says don’t lower your mass weight lower than 380 grains..My feathers are 5” scalloped like LEGALOS IN HOBBIT. I want to cut the feather surface area 50% , remove the cresting , increase the alum 43 grain insert to 100 grain brass . Change 100 grain FP to 125 grain FP ..A long time ago I shot 3 fingers under , walked the string ..I have all of NFAA 14 pins . Things happen when your the best . I never had a coach..At 84 still going strong.. lol . Remember the feathers/vanes are only a steering mechanism..My friend and I have designed really bright white led’s with white feathers will really function as tracers on a low cast day .Any help will be appreciated . If your email is available I’ll send you pics...TU PS •• I’m using Bishop 3 blade 200 Grains with my 710 shaft
So you may have said it and I may have missed it but if I am hunting with a compound bow and using a fix blade broadhead what type of vein is probably best a longer one, a blazer or does it not really matter?
Trout2TrailOutdoors I shoot fixed blades with everything from Blazers to feathers with no problem. The issue is having a bow that's in tune. An out of tune bow will throw poor groups with fixed heads.
I've been using 3" feathers with my hunting recurve with fixed blade broadheads and I've found no difference From the 4" sheild cut that I've always used. Even when they get a little wet. But in saying that my bow shoots my bare shafts perfectly straight.
You dont really have to stick with feathers with traditional archery, while it is true that you have to shoot feathers if your not using a rest, you can put an arrow rest on traditional bows and be able to shoot either.
Slower, quieter, more stable Arrow.. Always my goal. I shoot fingers with a compound. So probably at 4 in vane is still good. Getting back into it after 2 years. I don't know if the shop scary long vanes anymore. LOL. And people will probably laugh and wonder if I tell him I still prefer to shoot with a tab... instead of joining in with you robots.
Hm collectibles if your still around I'd love t yo hear from you I'm a beginner finger compound shooter doing 3 under I'd like to pick your brain with advice and tips since finding info on our choosen shooting style hope we can connect I'm also on Facebook thank you
So my bolts have the short vanes on my new crossbow. My wife got me more bolts for christmas same exact bolts except they have the longer vanes. Will this make a difference in the down range accuracy? Or can i shoot both without problem?
I was just shooting with my dad and he has the longer vanes and I have the short blazer vanes. I shot one round with his arrows and saw that his shot a lot faster than mine. Being that I am a hunter should I use the longer vanes for a quicker arrow. And how would you explain this if you can.
Ryder Hawbecker s lighter arrow will shoot faster but depending on what broadhead your using you should just stick with what you have it should not make a huge difference
Noah Ballew I'm guessing you're referring to either offset or even helical. You can do any of the three! Although you will get better stability and most likely tighter groups with a 2-3 degree offset and/or helical. I personally like a 3 degree offset and a decently hard right helical.
Average Jack Archery I'd love to see a in depth video of your gear. ie. bow, arrow weight, broad head, release, etc. and maybe explain why. keep the informative vids coming! great content.
Average Jack Archery I wanted to ask you something. Now, I'm a beginner archer of roughly a year now with a 40 pound draw weight compound bow and I use Easton 2117 aluminum arrows with longer plastic fletchings on them. One of the arrows' fletchings got shredded so I cut the damaged excess off and shaped them more like blazer vanes vaguely, and when I practice I don't have to aim so high with that arrow because it flies a little higher than the ones with longer vanes. Bear in mind, I'm shooting from 30-40 yards off, I have no pin sights or whisker biscuit, so for someone who has to stare down the shaft and let their eye make the final say in if the shot will hit the target, would you say shorter fletchings are better for beginners equipped with compounds and no sights? Or if they are an aspiring would-be hunter, would you suggest the longer fletching? (Sorry for the long comment)
I don't use a proper bow rest really, I'm just using the drop-off shoulder right now, and I was hoping to use the rage broadheads. Right now I'm using bullet tips for practice.
Nonsensical At 40 lbs, you can't be using a mechanical like Rage. You really need a fixed blade broadhead of some sort. So really any style of fletchijgs will work to answer your original question. Pick what you like and see what works best!
Ok.... I get you i think..... Question I would like the answer too is this please. When the price of carbon arrows are costing your right arm so to speak... I am now looking for not one or another specific type of arrow as such, but an arrow that will be sufficient for 2 types of what I shoot. 3d target and the odd hunting/camping trip outdoors. If I understand correctly the blazer vanes are the today's choice for target shooting archery. If I also understand correctly the 4/5" vanes tends to be the favourite choice for hunters arrows as the length of the vanes help to level out the weighty broad head, which in turn levels out the arrows flight from release of the bow.... Thus here lies the issue.... The blazer vanes...... Are they ok with broad head use or am I better to stick to the 4" vane. Sorry it sounds confusing. I appreciate your time in answering as Arrow tech these days is just confusing as hell
Im a traditional shooter and i dont use feathers iv used both and if u have enough skill it dont matter i can shoot both just as accurate no difference for me i dont use feathers because they last longer for me but thats just my experience id say your pretty rigjt
I'm not sure why but I can't stand the blazer vanes or any real short fletching like that, I hate the look I feel like it takes all of the traditional look and feel out of archery. That's just how I feel about it personally. I don't like vanes at all really I shoot feathers from both traditional bows and compound bows.
You know your stuff. Good video. Over the years I found that a blazer 4 fletched arrow is fantastic for stabilizing fixed blade broadheads.
Absolutely love your videos!!! I am just starting to get into archery and your videos are extremely helpful for narrowing down options for gear. keep up the good work. I'm already looking forward to your next video.
Lucas Ashbaugh This is why I make these videos! I wish I had half the electronic resources available to me when I started archery as there are now. So I figured giving others what I so desperately needed was a good idea! Keep watching and God bless.
Thanks so much for the no-nonsense information in your videos.
You're so friendly. Never feel like I'm unwelcome when watching your videos. =)
I am really enjoying your videos, but I do have a couple of comments on this one in particular. I shoot both traditional and compound, and I will comment on each. First as far as traditional bows go, feathers have always been the standard. However, that does NOT mean vanes won't work. I shoot a recurve (Bodnick Kiowa) with a Bear Weatherest. It shoots great with feather fletches, but it also shoots great with the 2 7/8" Vanetec Swift vanes I use. My cousin has also had good luck with NAP Quickspin vanes from his Kodiak Magnum and Bear Weatherest. Shooting off the shelf means feathers only, but the Weatherest makes vanes work just fine.
As far as compounds go, I mostly agree that you CAN use either long or short vanes...unless you are using a whisker biscuit rest. The whisker biscuit was originally designed for use with feathers, and it still works great with them. On the other hand, if you shoot 5" vanes through a whisker biscuit, it will wrinkle the devil out of the vanes. Blazers work great with the biscuit as do the short Vanetecs, but I ruined enough of the regular length vanes with a biscuit to first switch to the shorter vanes and eventually to a QAD fall away rest, which works well with anything I've used.
Keep up the great videos. i'm not trying to be critical, just adding some info you might be able to use. Feel free to test these things for yourself. Thanks!
Keep making the awesome videos! I personally shoot Black Eagle Zombie Slayer arrows with the short Blazer vanes and they are the straightest more high end arrows I have shot. I used to shoot the older Victory V6 before they changed them to the sport. Either way short vanes are the best for hunting all types of game
Thank you!
nicely done sir 👍 , as usual.
great info in your vids. thanks and keep it up
Karl S Thanks so much! God bless.
I’m subscribing. I live your videos!
GOOD JOB!
Well said
Don't forget there is also now the hybrid options so Trad archers no longer 'have' to shoot feathers anymore...
Check out the AAE WAV and Trad vanes for someone wanting a weather proof hunting or target option for traditional bows...
Do u say thanks for coming outside when you are inside? New to bows have some questions figured I'd start here
I say pick what ever you like. They just marketed the blazer style vanes well. I still shoot 4 inch plastic vanes and always will.
Five inch turkey feather parabolic has always been my go to. I shoot trad AFB and English longbow. At 45# at my draw I'm still reaching the distances. Though I go to a 2.5 inch low profile fletch for a clout.
Same here just getting back into archery and was wondering this very question you answered, here's another one how about length of arrow? I have a 30" draw so do I need to have new arrows cut or leave them at 32" which is what I think them come at, love your videos very helpful thx in advance.
Glenn Cucci it all depends on the spine of your arrow. The longer the arrow the stiffer the spine needs to be. I shoot a 30-inch arrow with a 30 inch draw with a 60 pound moderately aggressive cam. That Arrow setup requires a 300 spine Arrow shaft.
I need large feather 5" feather fletching I expect to get large fletching, but when I received them I get narrow fletching which is not what I want even when I ask for a large rear and narrow at the tip
I'm starting to shoot compound with fingers I'll be hunting and outdoor target shooting with 340 spine shafts I'll be using the aae trad vanes most likely which size would be best I've only ever shot 4 -5 " vanes and feathers thank you
yes indeed. well said. G.B.C
Hi Jack , 😊 enjoy your videos and all the effort that you expend .
Ready to get technical..Need your help . I own a Buck Commander BCX extreme ☦️..365 FPS . I have been shooting 391 grains .. concentrating on deer less than 30 yards . Shot 3 2017/2018 . I am increasing mY FOC TO 710 grains for 2019 .I want to work on interior impact..My question •• Iam planning on attaining an 8” group at 100 yards in 2020 if I should live so long . I want a lighter shaft . BARNETT says don’t lower your mass weight lower than 380 grains..My feathers are 5” scalloped like LEGALOS IN HOBBIT. I want to cut the feather surface area 50% , remove the cresting , increase the alum 43 grain insert to 100 grain brass . Change 100 grain FP to 125 grain FP ..A long time ago I shot 3 fingers under , walked the string ..I have all of NFAA 14 pins . Things happen when your the best . I never had a coach..At 84 still going strong.. lol . Remember the feathers/vanes are only a steering mechanism..My friend and I have designed really bright white led’s with white feathers will really function as tracers on a low cast day .Any help will be appreciated . If your email is available I’ll send you pics...TU
PS •• I’m using Bishop 3 blade 200 Grains with my 710 shaft
So you may have said it and I may have missed it but if I am hunting with a compound bow and using a fix blade broadhead what type of vein is probably best a longer one, a blazer or does it not really matter?
Trout2TrailOutdoors I shoot fixed blades with everything from Blazers to feathers with no problem. The issue is having a bow that's in tune. An out of tune bow will throw poor groups with fixed heads.
Average Jack Archery awesome thanks!
2 vs 3 vs 4 fletch - What do you need to know?
I've been using 3" feathers with my hunting recurve with fixed blade broadheads and I've found no difference
From the 4" sheild cut that I've always used. Even when they get a little wet. But in saying that my bow shoots my bare shafts perfectly straight.
What are the advantages and disadvantages of both types of fletching?
Really personal preference. Well tuned equipment will work great with both.
You dont really have to stick with feathers with traditional archery, while it is true that you have to shoot feathers if your not using a rest, you can put an arrow rest on traditional bows and be able to shoot either.
Slower, quieter, more stable Arrow.. Always my goal. I shoot fingers with a compound. So probably at 4 in vane is still good. Getting back into it after 2 years. I don't know if the shop scary long vanes anymore. LOL. And people will probably laugh and wonder if I tell him I still prefer to shoot with a tab... instead of joining in with you robots.
Hm collectibles if your still around I'd love t yo hear from you I'm a beginner finger compound shooter doing 3 under I'd like to pick your brain with advice and tips since finding info on our choosen shooting style hope we can connect I'm also on Facebook thank you
Thanks for the info I shoot a crossbow outside
Hello just wondering if anyone has info on where I go to get aluminum shafts (2016)
So my bolts have the short vanes on my new crossbow. My wife got me more bolts for christmas same exact bolts except they have the longer vanes. Will this make a difference in the down range accuracy? Or can i shoot both without problem?
Only way to know is to shoot both and see what happens! My guess is you won't see much difference.
I was just shooting with my dad and he has the longer vanes and I have the short blazer vanes. I shot one round with his arrows and saw that his shot a lot faster than mine. Being that I am a hunter should I use the longer vanes for a quicker arrow. And how would you explain this if you can.
Ryder Hawbecker were the arrows the same weight
Adam Whitney I believe his were lighter
Ryder Hawbecker s lighter arrow will shoot faster but depending on what broadhead your using you should just stick with what you have it should not make a huge difference
can you rotate blazer veins or do they have to be straight?
Noah Ballew I'm guessing you're referring to either offset or even helical. You can do any of the three! Although you will get better stability and most likely tighter groups with a 2-3 degree offset and/or helical. I personally like a 3 degree offset and a decently hard right helical.
Average Jack Archery I'd love to see a in depth video of your gear. ie. bow, arrow weight, broad head, release, etc. and maybe explain why. keep the informative vids coming! great content.
Average Jack Archery I wanted to ask you something. Now, I'm a beginner archer of roughly a year now with a 40 pound draw weight compound bow and I use Easton 2117 aluminum arrows with longer plastic fletchings on them.
One of the arrows' fletchings got shredded so I cut the damaged excess off and shaped them more like blazer vanes vaguely, and when I practice I don't have to aim so high with that arrow because it flies a little higher than the ones with longer vanes.
Bear in mind, I'm shooting from 30-40 yards off, I have no pin sights or whisker biscuit, so for someone who has to stare down the shaft and let their eye make the final say in if the shot will hit the target, would you say shorter fletchings are better for beginners equipped with compounds and no sights? Or if they are an aspiring would-be hunter, would you suggest the longer fletching? (Sorry for the long comment)
Nonsensical So to further clarify your question: What rest do you use, and what type of broadhead do you intend to shoot? Thanks!
I don't use a proper bow rest really, I'm just using the drop-off shoulder right now, and I was hoping to use the rage broadheads. Right now I'm using bullet tips for practice.
Nonsensical At 40 lbs, you can't be using a mechanical like Rage. You really need a fixed blade broadhead of some sort.
So really any style of fletchijgs will work to answer your original question. Pick what you like and see what works best!
Alright, thanks!
Ok.... I get you i think.....
Question I would like the answer too is this please.
When the price of carbon arrows are costing your right arm so to speak... I am now looking for not one or another specific type of arrow as such, but an arrow that will be sufficient for 2 types of what I shoot.
3d target and the odd hunting/camping trip outdoors.
If I understand correctly the blazer vanes are the today's choice for target shooting archery.
If I also understand correctly the 4/5" vanes tends to be the favourite choice for hunters arrows as the length of the vanes help to level out the weighty broad head, which in turn levels out the arrows flight from release of the bow....
Thus here lies the issue....
The blazer vanes......
Are they ok with broad head use or am I better to stick to the 4" vane.
Sorry it sounds confusing.
I appreciate your time in answering as Arrow tech these days is just confusing as hell
Blazers can be used with broadheads no problem. I'd wager 90% of current Bowhunters use such a vane style.
@@averagejackarchery Cheers matey.... Help is greatly appreciated and Cheers for taken time to explain.
Im a traditional shooter and i dont use feathers iv used both and if u have enough skill it dont matter i can shoot both just as accurate no difference for me i dont use feathers because they last longer for me but thats just my experience id say your pretty rigjt
I'm not sure why but I can't stand the blazer vanes or any real short fletching like that, I hate the look I feel like it takes all of the traditional look and feel out of archery. That's just how I feel about it personally. I don't like vanes at all really I shoot feathers from both traditional bows and compound bows.