In Defense of Chat Noir
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- čas přidán 4. 07. 2024
- In the Miraculous World: New York special, we got some interesting interactions between Chat Noir and Ladybug. Chat and Ladybug's relationship has always been center theme of the show, alongside the relationship between Adrien and Marinette. So when Chat accidentally Cataclysm's Uncanny Valley while in New York, their relationship is put to the test. Why did Adrien decide to renounce Plagg? Well, today I explain the reasoning behind his actions.
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What was your favorite part of the Miraculous World New York special? I'm sure by watching this video you guys already know mine.
The new heroes and the fact that Hawkmoth raised the stakes 😅 although I was horrified he tried to start WW3
The part where Hawk Moth does a superhero landing and where Gabriel and Natalie were on zoom lmao
@@thatgirlmarley6291 🤣
@@BBWahoo cool
The scene where Marinette runs after Adrien. Made me cry a little bit 😭
Adrien acts EXACTLY like someone who’s been emotionally abused would act: he is fearful of upsetting the people in his life because upsetting his father, even over something petty and insignificant, always leads to excessively harsh consequences. He’s had little to no social interactions outside of his abusive father, and thanks to Gabriel’s cold demeanor, Adrien has been left to interpret others’ feelings on his own. But other people don’t act like Gabriel, which is how we get the situations where Adrien misreads a situation; his mind goes straight to the worst case scenario because THAT’S HOW GABRIEL WOULD ACT.
Exactly! I think that’s why I personally love Adrien/Chat as a character much more than Marinette/Ladybug. What you described I think perfectly describes his experiences and actions. As someone who also went through emotional abuse to some extent, I can testify. A bit different from Adrien but my mother would have unpredictable moods. Sometimes if I do something wrong, she can be kind or mean. When she is angry at me, she’d punish me in many ways, lowering my curfew which is difficult cause of my insomnia, take my phone which is one of the few sources of happiness I have, threaten to hit me if I do something wrong, all of that. It has made me become extremely fearful of getting her mad because she’d yell at me and if I cry, she’d say it’s my fault. It’s just like Adrien’s perspective of things and I think despite how jumbled the characters are in Miraculous, Adrien’s character has felt the best written in terms of abuse and his reactions towards it.
@@valkyrieagainsttheworld I completely agree
@SarahGL0102 Oh no of course I don’t actually hate Ladybug! Just like her less :’)
@SarahGL0102 They two r best
Marinette is awesome funny girl
And the story of Adrien it’s so sad
But He a awesome guy
Without them miraculous ladybug is
Incomplete
So love them if u like miraculous
He had Chloe if that counts 😁
I didn’t know Cat Noir needed defending. I thought everyone knew he is best boy
Ikr
Chat Noir is bestest boy
RIGHTT
Especially because he is
✨Nagito Komeada✨
Most of us know. There are just a few idiots in the fandom that need extra help understanding that Cat Noir is, in fact, best boy.
miraculous target audience: young children
the audience it attracted: sad teenagers and adults
honestly lol. i was here when the show started
I remember watching this show around when i was 10 like in 2016 now im turning 15 this year. I never actually knew I'd still watch this show at this age since this was technically a "children's show". Often times id hide the fact that i love this show bc it was a supposedly "cringey" in my age group. Little did i know a lotta ppl of my age actually watch this show, like a LOT. My brother's 18 and he enjoys mlb too! Tbh, i wish they could more mature themes and be realistic even though some children still watch it. At the same time, children could at least get a grasp what the world is actually is!
The recent season tho 😪🤚
I was a teen when the show started in 2015, and I still watch it till today, Thomas probably realized most of his audience fans are not kids.
Frrrr
>People get mad at Adrien for friendzoning Marinette over Ladybug
>Marinette friendzones Chat Noir practically every akuma attack for Adrien
The double standard is real
We aren't mad just both characters are flawed and it's more obvious in Adrien's case because he's always hanging around Marinette and also flirts with her as Chat Noir. Whereas with Ladybug I understand why she rejects him now of all times because he doesn't understand how hard her job is and makes fun of her for it.
@Quiet Opinion Cat noir flirts with everyone,not just Mari.Its a part of his personality,he's flirty.He calls Mari friend because Marinette called him friend too and she didn't confess his feelings for him,if he knew she liked him then he wouldn't consider her as a "friend".
@@quietopinion9637 back talk? Its quiet ain't no back talk
I meant to put same with KAGAMI not Lila
@@kiaorihara4005 There was literally a reply _right_ above, how could you mess up this bad? Well, unsurprising seeing the quote you're using was popularized by tiktok and you're agreeing with easily disproven statements based on opinion.
He is a 14/15 year old *boy* who throughout his life has been emotionally abused by his father. Man's had a breakdown ima throw hands if someone calls himself selfish or god forbid *mANIPULATIVE* WHAT
Adrien is the best
Like bro, how is he manipulative- though, idk bout you.. but I never saw anyone says he's manipulative-
@@vivi1387 13:18 the narrator says does it make him selfish and manipulative meaning they must've seen it around, I dont interact with the fandom so I'm taking their word and just agreeing
The ones who are selfish and manipulative are Gabriel and Lila!
@@ultimatedisneycruiselinefa5112 yes
I hope Ladybug realizes how sensitive and broken Chat Noir is.....
Only if she drops this secret identity nonsense
Please do. I hate seeing her yell at him. Please respect the kitten boi Marinette. He goes through enough abuse as it is.
@@Cheetahgirl_Studios like was said in the video, it was reasonable for ladybug to be what at him, she didn’t hate him like his father would do and ladybug wasent being abusive since she was being reasonable and not getting mad at him for every little thing like his father and forgave him but obviously not an abusive assole
Abby's World I was referring to S3. When she just kept replacing him and everything. Plus Reflekdoll too. Ngl S3 Ladybug SUCKED. NY Ladybug was defo better in terms of how her character was handled, so I’m hoping we continue seeing THAT version of her and that S3 LB becomes a very bad memory of the past.
@@Cheetahgirl_Studios yea cuz even though she’s my favorite character, cat noir is the one who’s the best at puns
LITERALLY - Adrien is meant to be the main character of this story and the writers are cowards
One of*
@@quietopinion9637 Yeah, the writers gotta do more for his character though. They are treating him like a side character when Marinette/Ladybug and Adrien/Chat Noir are suppose to both be main characters
It's not really that, It's just a bad habit of writers making other characters more interesting that the main character. It happens a lot
@@olamidealabi6419 nope it is exactly that. The writer literally did not make Adrien the protagonist because he thought it would be "feminism" if Marinette was the protagonist instead. His literal excuse was "why are people tripping like this? Can't girls get the chance to lead?" Like he missed the point by SO MUCH. If Ladybug had to be the protagonist, the least they could have done is make her interesting as opposed to making LITERALLY EVERY OTHER IMPORTANT SIDE CHARACTER interesting.
As a writer myself, I kid you not, making the main character too interesting/have too much focus is the more common mistake as opposed to the other. And when they reflect on that they end up doing the exact opposite and end up giving the main character too little focus.
A good writer would keep working at that cycle until it reaches a balance, which this guy clearly did not do.
@@mcbedo6568 I agree! Im not the best writer and I can see how its harder to write a script then a book format but omg I can think of any other way this show could've gone to fix it. Adrien is a main character and his life is part of the central plot. If Mari hadn't helped master Fu that day then she would've been just a side character.
And thats not even mentioning her creepy attitude towards Adrien. He claims its "feminism" but this guy doesn't know a thing about it. Mari is my least favorite character specifically because of how she's written. A side character can be a power feminist, just because the show revolves around them doesn't make you or them a feminist.
Adrien calls Marinette a friend because, other than Chloe, she was his first friend he made at school. He really treasures their friendship. In the umbrella scene you can see how happy Adrien was to befriend Marinette. ALSO! The umbrella that Adrien gave Marinette looks exactly like the one his mother had, so if that was his mother’s umbrella that he gave Marinette so freely, that would mean that he really likes her. Even if he does have feelings for Marinette, or not, he doesn’t want that to ruin one of his treasured friendships.
Adrien lacks a lot of relationships that he needs in life so it's normal for him to have this much care for his friends
yep. but also, wasn't nino his first friend besides chloe?
@@jess-zf6ng yes but Adrien MADE the effort to be friends with Marinette while Nino asked Adrien to be friends
@@Sanrio-paradise ohh yeahh
I also believe that he is bad at expressing his emotions
Everybody is asking "Who is Cat Noir?" but nobody is asking "How is Cat Noir?"
YOU Forgot WHERE IS CAT Noir SMH
I don't blame them.... For everyone cat noir is always a cheerful guy with a sheepish smile. Except marinette who has seen his real side like when ladybug didn't come for the (kind of date) surprise
Radiant carefree dreamy adrien the fragrance
The real question is "When is Cat Noir?"
@@majedkanafani6017
*phone rings*
AAH- AA @AAAAA
“Pick it up Marinette!”
“H-heyyyy Alya! How’s it going?! Heheh..”
“Uhm girl, we’re waiting~..”
“Waiting for uh-what?”
“Wait, where?”
“At the swimming pool! Remember? What are you doing, girl.”
“Oh..*laughs sheepishly* just - uh.. putting on my swimsuit!”
*ad replays*
“Radiant, carefree, dreamy, Adrien, the fragrance!”
“Uhuh- And the Adrien ad helps you pick out clothes?”
“Eh-uh-p.. Uhm.. I’ll come over now!! Hehe! 5 minutes!”
“Tikki, I gotta goo!”
*takes packed bag and runs out of bakery towards pool*
*Adrien, which escaped home to watch “solitude! intrudes and tries to find shelter*
“Uh-uh-.. Adrien?”
“Marinette?”
“Oh Marinette, can I hide out at your place please?”
“Oh- uh.. My place?”
“Wait, why?”
“Because-“
*paparazzi finds Adrien and points*
“Alright, *Marinette nods* come with me.”
*run dundundundudnddundudndundudndudnun*
Sorry, just too obsessed to Miraculous that I had to flash back to Gorizilla..
“He’s to busy laughing away while he’s terrorizing two teenagers and hording butterflies “
That’s the best description of Gabriel Agreste I’ve ever heard
Agreed LOL 😆
Oracle ✨🐞🐾🎧❤
Lmao best disc for him ever
I Arege lol 😆 😂 🤣 😅🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
it really do be like that tho
I that teddy from p4
Defending him? He carries the entire show for me
You mean he's the most developed. WEEE lucky him -_-
Yep :)
@@quietopinion9637 The hate for men is strong with this one
Same 😩✋
his character is the most interesting to me compared to marinette
Adrien calls marinette just a friend because of Chloe, chloe was showing flirty and loving signs towards him yet they are both still just friends. Marinette, showing similar signs makes Adrien - having very few proper and heartfelt relationships with other humans - think that she is just a friend.
I am glad to see Adrien and Cats development for socializing and i really hope it continues in season4 and the shanghi special.
yeah
I do think there are many logical reasons why Adrien says Marinette is just a friend, but I personally don't think Chloe is one of them. I don't mean to be mean or anything, I respect your opinion. But Marinette doesn't really act openly flirty with Adrien like Chloe is, it's quite the opposite, really. She gets too nervous most times and runs away (which he sees, making him think HE is the problem because he doesn't get social cues). Marinette also often messes up her words, complimenting him but then accidentally insulting him.
I don't like the idea of Adrien loving Marinette and just not acknowledging/realizing it. It always seemed forced. Like, Adrien doesn't really get a chance to talk with Marinette properly. And when they do, I doubt it's enough to develop romantic feelings.
Honestly, I think it's best they both mature (Adrien learning social cues and Marinette expressing her feelings) for any romantic relationship together to last.
Imo Adriano probs thinks of her as a friend since marrenite is always pushing him away and saying how she doesn’t have those feelings for him. It’s complicated. Mariente makes me mad lol
@@fruitylooperies8166 period. You spoke only facts. That's why the whole "Adrien is blind" it's just not it. Adrien does not have social clues and when he asks Marinette what she feels for him she denies that she has romantic feelings for him. How could he understand like that? He LACKED human interaction until 13 y.o. Adrien's story is so interesting and I wish he was developed much more, because he's an interesting character and a MAIN character. Something that the writers forget often
Yea its sad and funny
“And it doesn’t help that his social skills are kind of a mess, and bordering nonexistent.”
_Reasons why Chat Noir is my spirit animal:_
Something Adrien salters forget because they make it sound like he has some when in reality he doesn’t. Which is why I can understand his actions as Chat. The only time I really didn’t like his attitude was Glaciator and Frozer
@@huthifaali8291 OMG YESSS
@@huthifaali8291 exactly
Me too
That and his stance on heels
Poor Adrien. He lost his mother and his father treats him like shit. He even has to deal with the stress of being Chat Noir. He deserves better
Yeah
Plagg needs to tell him to take a day off for himself. Plagg would be that brother who's like look I know you want to make sure you get everything done. But you need a break.
Yeah
I know I wish ladybug would understand why her trust is so important to him
@@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaBunnydoll stan Plagg for clear skin
"Gabriel belongs behind bars in jail."
I couldn't agree more
Br’er Bear (Splash Mountain): Gabriel Agreste, imma knock your head CLEEAAN off!
When will ladybug have a baby with cat noir
And I want to see them to see their secret identity
@@darlenebyers3546 around season 5 somewhere i think
💛Jesus lived the life we couldn't live and died the death we deserve. Repent of your sins and trust in Him💜
He stright up yeeted his son across the city lol
Its just now after this video hitting me that when Adrien said “No one will know that I quit. And no one will care.” That’s basically him admitting that he truly does think he’s expendable when it comes to his role as Chat Noir. Shit broke my heart. I never thought much of that line until after this breakdown of his character. Baby really needs to be told he’s loved more often. If not by his shit father, then by his friends. And Marinette as Ladybug really needs to realize that Chat is more fragile than he makes himself appear. I hope that in season four, she tells him how much she appreciates him more often.
Then he really needs to open up more and understand it's hard for her too as she's also under a lot fo stress as the guardian now. Both have their stresses and not one of them is above another so they both need to open up more basically.
@@quietopinion9637 Will you PLEASE shut up? Lmao you're just EVERYWHERE defending Merinette!
so uhm LMAOO it gets worse in season 4 with chat noir basically being treated like a side character rather than a protagonist to the point it borderline seems like marinette is replacing him
@@savi0rzZz Chat Blanc 2.0, anyone?
@@catchyname1081 here
Let's be honest, adrian is probably depressed and doesn't realize it
Social butterflies usually are (and social lions when they lose a grip)
Yeah
Yes you are correct
I realized he could be a depressive character
Yea, there’s a video on someone thinking he could have borderline personality disorder but most said was when he was akumazied and most comments said that’s him having depression is more likely and I think it’s that and he obviously dosent know since his father obviously wouldn’t notice since he barely sees him and when he does and does something wrong he leaves him
Gorilla who has almost no dialogue in the entire series and Nathalie who also does not have enough appearances have shown greater interest in Adrien's happiness and well-being than his own father
I agree with you about Nathalie. I don't like how people say she's horrible because of what she did in Chat Blanc, but we have to remember that it was a worse case scenario. Plus, Gabriel is her boss and Adrien is his son, so she would of had to something...she was ordered to.
Nathalie seems like a pretty good character, but we never see her really care for Adrien, most likely because we're supposed to hate her no matter what (since she's a villan)
zoey hoover still. She really snitched on him 💀
Honestly I would love to see gorilla become sort of a father figure for Adrien, since he is his bodyguard. Like he is very protective over adiren and Adrien could be better with a better father figure
I wonder if the gorilla knows that Gabriel is the hawk moth
Imagine he became the future villain
@@noorishataef6477 ye if she didn't then they would've defeated him, then in that episode they'd have the butterfly miraculous, but what about the peacock? So instead of the episode not having any impact they could have the butterfly miraculous and know who hawkmoth is and then they have to fight Mayura or if Gabriel takes that miraculous, but they know his identity so then they can easily defeat him!
People just forget that he literally has no parents since his "father" is busy being a gosh dang villain
If he finds out, he’s toast.
and nathalie being mayura, adrien was ready to accept her in the family but she became a villain too
not literally but yeah
@@ultimatedisneycruiselinefa5112 i feel like he Will snap
He’s a villain even when he’s not hawk moth
Also can we just remember, THEY ARE ALL LIKE 14-15 YEARS AWAY OLD. Adrien deserves so much better 🥺
Literally. I wish the writers would adress his abuse and depression so that he can get better but the writers might not even notice the way they write him
@@ot7biasedmashups Considering how much I've seen of season 4. They are on very thin ice.
@@ot7biasedmashups The writers so far seem to focus on Marrinete and her only. She's always the main focus, which I get as the main character, but Adrian's story especially his family life is rarely featured. It really gets to me.
@@ot7biasedmashups for real we barely see any sympathy in the Fandom or the actual show. And when we do its just because people are sad he can't go some where
EXACTLY HES TO YOUNG FOR ALL THIS TRAUMA
Did they really called him sensitive and overreacting? It's like they don't know his freaking background! They don't understand his character and clearly don't understand empathy
And thought he was trying to manipulate ladybug? Tf?
Like, bruh!
i mean if they didnt really know adrian then thats probably the reason why they said it 🌝
I mean, most of the people in this universe are sensitive.
@@shacharlem4424 yeah because its a kids show, they overreact to everything so the younger people can actually pick up on it
I have absolutely no idea how people can call Adrien giving up his miraculous selfish.. Let alone manipulative- especially after seeing everything that leads up to said moment.
I'm with you on this, there's no need for the aggression towards him on that scene.
Like she’s said he’s just a kicked kitty who makes mistakes because this is what everyone, included us, do. It’s normal.
I had no idea people thought this. It’s ridiculous
@@gracekim25 maybe because they never knew what an abusive relationship truly is like
@@veronicapiccinini1981 or have not been taught about this in school
Who the frig said that?? How much you wanna bet they also view anxiety as attention seeking irl.
Adrien is truly the best character in the whole show ..I'm serious
Most developed*
I couldn't agree more ❤
He's always been my favorite character
totally agree !!!!
@@quietopinion9637 Against facts there are no arguments
Why haven’t we seen someone in love with catnoir yet? Eh? That’s ridiculous, utterly ridiculous
Ladybug is, she doesn’t see it yet.
Umm... Me ofc 🙄✋😭💀
They should put me on the show😑i love him more than I love myself BRUH
coughs coughs... me
Uhm..I am-
I love how Nino is so patient and willing to help Adrien learn how to socialize.
IKR I love that! ☺️
Momento Mori ⚫⚪
Nino is best boy. He is so supportive and helps Adrien out a lot. He’s criminally underrated in the show.
Nino is the good father he never got, if there not lifelong best friends I don’t know what is
Cheetahgirl Studios yeah, we need more of our DJ boy
"Adrian has no flaws, he is a bad character"
Shows flaws
"Adrian has flaws, he is a bad person"
Ikr? Like what sense does that even make? Geez, some people simply don't understand that everyone is flawed and make mistakes. That's literally part of life.
Frr like they act like he's such a bad person just because of his flaws
Marinette screws up & Master Fu praises her, Adrien / Cat Noir screws up &- he gets screamed at.
Perhaps if I am being VERY kind I could say their kwami are leading them astray a bit.
@@diyana_ Some staff changes they made part way through season 2 - seemed to show the tone in season 3 as a serious change - one I could still mostly see in the New York Special. I am a little worried about the show continuing to be a jerk to Chloe, let Marinette get away with anything she likes and demonise Cat Noir and make Adrien's life hell, not to mention not even develop Adrien as much as they could or should. It might be nice if they told us some simple things about his life and thoughts in throw away lines a bit more often than they do.
But Marinette has no flaws (said in Sarcasm mode)
How are we even surprised that so many fans dismiss Adrien's issues? The writers themselves do it.
Either they don't realize that Adrien has severe depression and anxiety the way they wrote him or they don't care. Thus nobody adresses it. And fans won't see it either if they don't have to deal with depression or somebody who does. Let alone the actual children and young teenagers watching.
I see u everywhere
Adrien does not have depression OMG
I think season 4’s doing a better job so far of addressing rather than avoiding Adrien’s depression/emotional issues. I’m hopeful he’ll end up with a good emotional arc resolution cause he sure deserves it
I'm 12 and I haven't noticied it before, but now I know his sadness because of season 4
@@boredshrimp9425 that one episode where he almost unalives himself 👀
sad thing is, this is a super smart explanation to Cat Noir being how he is, and the creators probably didn't even notice and will find a way to f*#$ it up later
And this is why you have us, the fanfic writers and the fan artists. We got your back 😂
@@jennycull1061 Indeed.
@@jennycull1061 fr its just like the aot Fandom. Someone had to do a fan made ending because the original one wasn't as good as people thought
@@jennycull1061 ty !
@@switch9045 don't forget Naruto
So Adrien punishes himself for his mistake by giving up something that is extremely important to him and people interpret that as selfish? Inchresting....
It’s his FATHER’S fault! He stirred his mind into mushed-up goop! Well, making him believe that he made some mistakes, you know what I mean.
he is used to punishment because of his father. im thinking he thought ladybug was going to ask for his miraculous so to soften the blow he did it himself. i cant blame him
@@vanenicolech Oh I’m gonna kick Gabriel right in the batteries.
@@disneyparksstarwarslover7638 YES PLEASE!!!
the fact people REALLY called him selfish because of everything he went through... like... Sure it was a BIT dramatic to give up the importance of a miraculous BUT CONSIDERING Adrian and his relationship with his father and everthing else as a whole, you'll understand why. It's just people who want the duo to be together in the end. It's not bad to ship, but specials like this are important to give more life to the story and background. It also strengthens bonds of certain characters and that is needed, but tbh, I don't expect every one to understand since the entire show is for children.
Adrien is such a more deeper character then he's made out to be.
Fr
yupp
They really could have portrayed him better. He literally has a mother who passed away. And has communication issue with his father. Sure he seems silly as Cat Noir but still that doesn't mean he isn't going through some things
@@switch9045 I’m afraid that’s not going to happen due to the writers just giving Marinette character development and Alya is pretty much replacing him in season 4 honestly what is the point of having chat noir if the writers are not going to include him a lot and this has been happening since season 2 only now people are really just seeing it
@@huthifaali5379 I don’t think you understand that the replacing him is adding to his character development. Sentibubbler is definitely showing that off and it’s only gonna get even crazier.
"Too busy laughing away while hes terrorizing two teenagers and hoarding butterflies"
Gabriel agreste in a nutshell, you nailed it
Golden XD
"Fans": ladybug goes trough way more than cat noir!
Real fans: *they both go trough the same thing the same schedule the same responsibility*
Right, they both have to sacrifice relationships both in their civilian and superhero lives because of keeping their identities secret. I hate that fans compare their hardships as if it’s some kind of competition.
I wouldn't say that they go through the exact same things, but through similar things, and in the end their struggles are equal in the way that one doesn't have it worse thzn the other
I actually think Adrien\Cat deals with much more pain considering his awful background and having family that's not solid.
yet he's so kind nice and cordial to everyone
he's the perfect example of the line "you can walk straight through hell with a smile"
Chat blanc and the fear he felt
IMO they go through different things, but there’s no need to minimize either. suffering isn’t a competition
I know it's a kid's show but I really think Chat Noir may be dealing with depression and it's pretty obvious he has issues with self-esteem. Having constantly been abused by his father, gotten coldness from his household/Felix (except from maybe his mom), Ladybug constantly rejecting or being cold to him, it makes sense that he'd internalize one mistake. Especially since the mistake was, like, kind of killing someone and Paris getting destroyed. He genuinely thought giving up being Chat was the best thing and it broke him, seeing how upset he got when even Marinette in the following scene didn't try to convince him to stay. :( Poor child needs a hug and for the creators to stop torturing him.
Mate please don’t use the fact that it’s a kids show as some werid excuse about them not covering serious topics. They can literally do that, it’s not rare anymore
@@gracekim25 You're absolutely right. A lot of kids shows are doing that now (heck Steven Universe). I wish this show would but I heard that this probably wouldn't since it's more of a cutesy show. But then again they had Chat Blanc in which a 14 year old abused kid kills the entire planet so. I hope the writers do more with Adrien's development, he's such a well-written character agh!
@Hell Spawn i love the part wer u said gay
Dam thats rough buddy
I agree but only if you exclude Chloe, she has never been truly mean to adrien it’s always the people around him. She’s a bit pushy because of her adoration of him but she listens to him and wouldn’t let someone hurt him while she was around.
You guys are saying adrien is blind for saying "shes just a friend"
meanwhile you guys are saying to chat noir "hes just a side character"
the irony
BOOM!,!,!,!!EXPELLED FROM SOCIETY!!!!!!
Ikr, everytime I see someone saying that, I tell them it's Adrien's character. He just doesn't know.
I agree. He has trouble in his life. His father is doesn’t care abt him and his mother died. Why do y’all expect him to know how to express himself well? Even if he doesn’t like marinette and it’s not because he can’t express himself it is what it is you can’t force the relationship we would much rather them settle in rather then forcing the relationship
@@bubblyboba0558 you have a point
@@janhavinoronha
Hypocrisy at it's finest folks!!
I love Adrien so much as a character. Although I can’t relate to his abuse I feel for him and have so much empathy. The fact that he can be so sweet and nice to everyone while being mentally and abused by his father is heartbreaking but beautiful because he couldn’t easily be a jerk. I love him. 😭
Could've turned out like Chloe
@@repulsethemonkey1396 or worse - felix, who is his foil!
That why I hate it that a lot of people make him a jerk
@@midnightstar5149 how can people even make him a jerk like where??-
@@kysim AO3
I just want an episode where ladybug and cat noir decide to hang out and tell each other about their life a bit, without telling their name. And then they talk about their family, and cat noir gets to his father and ladybug can help him and comfort him, and she can help adrien. IS THAT TOO MUCH TO ASK FOR??
"Im afraid that if I'll keep talking I'll end up ranting about how much I love my dumb idiot cat son"
Same.
You, me and the fandom. We love our dumb, idiot, blind, dense, flirty, punny, cat.
@@eevee420 👌 so true
@@eevee420 of course 😌
Me too! 🤣
Yeah, Ladybug became kind of annoying to me because of that, Chat/Adrien deserves more :(
This video just solidify my opinion: Adrien should've been the main character. His character is more interesting to follow.
Not really....yall are just digging too deep into it
@@londynmurphy8818 and you aint digging enough
@@londynmurphy8818 yeah because when you dig you find the good stuff.
I agree that he is more interesting to follow, buut MLB would probably be a lot darker if he was. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing! But it's pretty refreshing to me to have a protagonist (Mari) that doesn't have a depressingly soap opera backstory. Also keeps the mystery interesting when it's lurking in the shadows and the whole female superhero thing is very nice. Basically, glad that Adrien and Mari are both main characters and also that now that the story's picking up he's getting more of the spotlight. Respect ur opnion tho ofc.
@@parkerqwt yeah that's true
not me crying when plagg said he'd care if adrien renounced him 🥺
and adrien still renouched him in NYC special😭 and ran off crying
@@arithelovely3153 Both Ladybug and Gabriel are at faults!
18:00 “He’s too busy laughing away as he terrorizes two teenagers and hoards butterflies” HAHAHAHAHA BEST DESCRIPTION OF HIM I’VE EVER HEARD LMAOOOO
This video made me realize that Adrien/chat noir has such a deep and intricate character it almost makes Marinette/ladybug’s character laughable. He seems like more of a main character than her at times, but maybe with her new guardianship we’ll see more development in seasons 4 and 5.
Edit: welp, after watching the season 4 teasers that recently came out, I think it’s safe to say that Marinette will also be going through some tough baggage herself💀
Yes exactly! He's so well written and a more interesting character, which is sad since he's not even the main character.
Chat is my favvvvv
Exactly
Ladybug's relationship with chat noir will help him slowly but surely grow and understand the world around him in a healthier way
EXACTLY
What's up with cat people being abused by parental figures?
Adrien, Catra, ect.
HOW DID I NOT NOTICED THAT WHAT THE HELL THEY ALSO END UP BEING PRECIOUS AND SASSY AF
ikr
Don't forget Mao Mao
@@leohino9211 oh yeah.......
He does.
You honestly can't be comparing Adrien to Catra. Catra had it so much more ruff than him
People need to understand that Adrien doesn’t have social skills. He just now went to school, so calling him blind and treating him like he’s only a side character sucks, because he’s such a deep character and a good one too. He’s my favorite character, not just because he’s Cat Noir. I hate that people keep saying that Cat Noir’s the better version of him. Adrien IS Cat Noir as seen especially in season 4. We shouldn’t forget this.
Bro if he has not social skills then how was he able to do fencing and all those other sports with other people and talk to Chloe. Y'all coming up with the most BS reasons to defend his ass.
@gamers station I mean y'all shit on her a ton, so we are calling out his toxic behaviour too.
@@quietopinion9637 Adrian is any thing but toxic
@@quietopinion9637 and??? Chloe was his only friend when he was a kid and yea he never went to school before. Yea he has no social skills since his dad never allowed him to go to outside before. And your comment is dumb
@@quietopinion9637 Euh private class? The only skill he had are most likely professional since he always go around for work.
I know people call Adrien boring, but I think that’s okay because part of Adrien’s character is that he just tries to please others, and acts accordingly. Chat Noir is his only time he can really be himself.
Remember the episode Lies? Kagami wanted to draw Adrien, but every supermodel pose just wasn’t right. When Kagami told him to be himself, he made the Chat Noir pose.
The episode Wishmaker showed us that all he wants is to please his father, and he lacks a personality because all he is so someone trying to please others.
Adrien needs more screen time. He’s sooo much more interesting and complex than Marinette
i know they focus so much on marinette and ladybug even though most of the fandom want to see adrien and chat noirs life
What kids see in this show: Heroic action and colorful cartoon animation.
But what WE see: Romance, very dark emotion, theories of sentimonsters, Adrien abused, etc…
@@ultimatedisneycruiselinefa5112 LMAO YES
I haven’t realized how tragic Adriens story really is. While Toon was talking about his abusive relationship with his father, his need for friends, and his low self esteem, I actually started tearing up. It’s so tragic to see such a caring person at such a young age be treated the way Adrien is treated in this show. Even despite being abused, manipulated, and brought down by others (mostly his father), Adrien is still such a good person! He was manipulated into thinking that making a single mistake means he’s not good enough, and considering how harsh Ladybug can be toward him at times makes sense. Adrien just wants to be happy. That’s why he feels so hurt and saddened by Marinette whenever she makes him feel like he’s not being a good friend. He wants to keep her friendship because it’s honestly all he has left. Nino and Marinette are the only good thing in Adriens life right now (Plagg too), and Adrien doesn’t want to lose that. He’s already lost so much, and doesn’t want to feel completely alone. I feel like we always go so harsh on Adrien for saying things like, “She’s just a friend” or “No, Marinette can’t be in love with me, besides there’s Luka”, and so on. I feel he says these things because of his self esteem. As Adrien, he doesn’t feel like he’s good enough because of the way he has been treated by everybody around him. That’s why when he’s Cat Noir, he feels a little more free, because he gets to get away from the trapped life he is living as Adrien. That’s why in the New York Special, when Ladybug, his closest friend and partner tells him that she doesn’t trust him, he breaks because of the weight of the situation that has consumed him.
I’m really glad the writers went in this direction, and I hope we can see more of Adriens character development in the upcoming Seasons. We all love you Adrien 💚
thank you for bringing up the adrian support without bringing down marinette
You think that is sad? Look at zuko (Avatar: the last airbender), crona(Soul Eater), jimmy hall (At Dead Of Night), arthur fleck (JOKER), Shoto Todoroki And toya todoroki (my hero academia), tomura shigaraki (My hero academia) and hawks (my hero academia) And eri's (My hero academia) backstories.
@@shacharlem4424 Eh- Wrong place, buddy
@@shacharlem4424 wtf that got to do with miraculous ladybug 💀 just because adrian isnt very traumatized does not mean his story is any less sad than it is
Not even close to what I wanted to say@@vulcan65 . I never said it was not a thing to be sad about.
This special In my opinion was pretty in character. Adrien hiding the truth from ladybug because he didn't want to disappoint her makes sense considering his mental abuse at the hands of his father and how he expected to be perfect. Abusive households mostly breeds liars especially in Adrien's case where telling the truth gets you punished. And ladybug's anger was justified because he betrayed her trust. And yet she in no world would ever want him to stop being chat noir. She doesn't want another partner. She wants THIS chat noir
Exactly. People always dismiss Adrien's abuse, and it's kinda concerning.
@@ToonRuinsOfficial yeah...
@@ToonRuinsOfficial it's really hard to not think black and white. Person does bad thing is bad is easy. Seeing the intentions and hurt that leads to those decisions is difficult. Especially when you might unintentionally see yourself in the "bad person". Not being able to categorise people is frightening.
Sorry for weird rant. Love how nuanced your look into everything is
yea marinette overreacted but its really understandable...i understand also adrien obv
@@od3910 yeah it's nice to see someone who actually sees these characters as people for once. I get so annoyed seeing hate posts going like "I hate Marinette she's the worst" etc, like why is everything 0 to 100 with these people. Like there's a scale to things, not everything is black & white. Like if she's too perfect they call her a Mary Sue, but if she makes mistakes people hate her and call her terrible. Like good ppl aren't perfect all the time, it's like no understands nuance anymore, or maybe I'm expecting too much from the fanbase of 10 year olds LMAOO
Correction: Chat Noir never lied. He just didn't have the time to tell Ladybug about what happened because he wanted to save Marinette and everything happened so quickly.
YES.
Fam, he had enough time to tell her he wouldn't even be in Paris *before* he took off lol
Umm ever heard of lying by omission? He knew what he was doing.
But his mistake was important for the special's plot
remember, chat noir could contact ladybug, and tell her
Dude, he did. We love Adrien, but he does makes mistakes, and it's totally fine
Whenever I see Gabriel being abusive towards Adrien it makes me so upset. :(
Yeah. Me too. Gabriel is guilty! THIS LITTLE RAT IS GUILTY! Coincidence? I think NOT!!!
... Can we add Plagg to Adrien's friend count?
Yes, 100%
Plagg's not a friend. He's a surrogate older brother.
@@joseph86255 I agree, but siblings can also be friends. I see Plagg as a friend and an older brother figure to Adrien.
@@EchoStarcast Well, there's a reason Nino is his best friend. Because Plagg's more than that. Same way Alya is Marinette's best friend because Tikki is more than that.
You guys remember that scene Plagg played the piano with Adrien? That was where I liked Plagg the most as a friend to him.
Basically, this video is once again why Adrian deserves to be main character
he is kinda a main Oc but he's just too over shadowed wich is kinda sad since His personality both Adrien and chat noir is kinda a charm for ladybug/mari
@Sanjana Vinjamuri Ikr...
Nah man they just gotta stop making him be a side kick and a damsel in distress type of character
hes way more interesting then any other character in the show, his father is the bad guy for crying out loud!
Maybe its because he has character unlike a certain mary sue
Adrien/Chat is my favorite character. I was genuinely shocked to enter fandom spaces and see so much hate towards him especially when Marinette can be downright mean sometimes
@gamers station Nah ya'll excuse his flaws to bash on Marinette too don't deny your bias!
@@quietopinion9637 Cyrus the great is better.
@@quietopinion9637 Which is what you are doing. We can have different opinions, but why don't we address more Marinette's flaws?
I don’t know, but I hate they way that ladybug treats Cat noir. Like when any one else makes a mistake she’s mad but more understanding, but throughout the whole show, she always treats him like a sidekick and really, she’s rude and pretty harsh towards him. Don’t get me wrong I love our girl but her personality changes so much towards cat noir and it’s pretty bad.
Exactly
🥺
I agree
It's like she's so used to being mean when he's flirtatious that she's just become mean in general. And on top of that, she expects things to go a specific way when in reality, there are infinite possibilities! So what if Chat Noir _did_ stay in Paris? He couldn't have cleaned the sentimonster feather and he couldn't have reversed the damage. LB likely wouldn't have been able to get to Paris in time because, as we saw in the siren episode, she swims at a normal speed. Even with her flight power up, it would've taken a few hours. LB really didn't think her plan through and she just expected things to fall into place and be okay.
@@violet3907 Still she would have to deal with hawk moth in ny so it's her fault
I cringed so hard at Marinette. Dude, ask him out or respect that you simply can't and move on or suppress it. Don't do this creepy stalker crap.
@@Vrog11 your name, as much as I don't like Adrigami, we have to admit that the relationship is not entirely Kagami's fault. Marinette is unable to tell Adrien how she feels, and as a result of that, Adrien is still (kinda) oblivious to her feelings and is single. Adrien isn't going to wait around for Marinette to confess her love for him just because she's the main protagonist. Although Adrigami (and Lukanette) are just for the plot, we don't really have to worry about anything though, because seemingly the producers have confirmed any of the Adrienette, Marichat, Ladrien and or Ladynoir ships will be endgame.
@flimsforjanishaa right
It's a show targeted at children, and kids have a different understanding of love and relationships compared to teens/adults. So exaggeration of emotions is used a lot in kid's shows in order to show attraction in a way that they can understand, but that can come off as stalker-like behaviour to teens and adults.
@@annaalmasan5368 ^^
@@annaalmasan5368 exactly some people forget this is a kid’s show 😭 like yes i feel PAINED when she does creepy things but thats just how love and “crushes” are portrayed in kids shows
I don’t think people take into account that Marinette’s parents gladly sent her to Shanghai, no questions asked, and she considered moving to New York to pursue a fashion career (the ep centered around Cloe’s mom) with their full support. Adrien is barely allowed to leave his house. An opportunity like going on his school trip had never occurred for him and he knew that it might never occur again. Marinette often let her feelings for Adrian, her rivalries with Cloe and Lila, etc. cloud her judgment as a superhero. She made bad or petty choices based on high school drama, not a lifetime of trauma, and nobody seems to blame her for that.
How is she allowed to do that but not him, she literally wanted to ditch protecting Paris to pursue her career but when adrien leaves she gets mad?
@@Ichigitchyyayadada i agree completely
@@Ichigitchyyayadada If she'd gone to New York, she would have given her miraculous to someone else. She didn't get mad because Cat Noir went on a trip, but because he didn't tell her he was going on a trip, despite having previously assured her that he would be there to protect Paris and contact her if an akuma or sentimonster showed up. If he had told her that he had to leave Paris, she would have understood, and come up with some other plan.
flirty chat noir better not leave in season 4!! he's the best part 😪
inwilldieunhappyifthathappens...
Hopefully he stays!
Well hes not even there in season 4 so....
ehehehe👁👄👁💧
he barely gets any screen time in s4 ;(
the potential this show could’ve had if they’d made this a show on the maturer side, and actually marketed it towards an older demographic. the majority of the show’s fan
base are teens/young adults anyway.
adrien could have such a great character arc. not only does he show signs of depression in the current show, but his character is very intricate and has a ton of potential. a lot more interesting then marinette, haha
Right on, and I do think (hope) that the newer season will be just that.
I agree
I wouldnt say marionette isnt interesting since her character deals with anxiety and coming of age but I do think her character needs more depth and that adriens life needs to be explored more! i really really hope adrien talks to ladybug about his abusive home life and the show takes an overall more mature tone in the next season!!
To be fair, they are now going into Marinette with her trauma and stress in season 4, they've done a lot with Adrien, Mari's def gonna have a major arx
I think some of the appeal of the show is it's childlike demeanor, but I do think they can develop the mature themes of the show I a subtle way, giving the older audience what we want whilst not taking away from the unique charm of the show
This, every point you've made about Adrien's life style made me realize why he's my favorite character in the show, whether in or out of the mask. Adrien is the one with the most problems , or at least, the one with the most serious problems, in the show, and that makes for a more interesting character. An absent mother, an abusive father, a partner that fail to show her true appreciation and feelings, and a lack of social cues; he's the one out of the duo with a personal stake in the battle against Hawkmoth, he's the one who has something to lose or gain depending on the outcome, it just makes me wish he was the main character instead of Marinette.
I just wish they we’re both actually equal
Yeah, Adrien would've been so much more interesting and compelling as the main character. But nope, Marinette is Astruc's prized character so I imagine he does as much as possible to give her more screen time than Adrien.
@@47ratsinahoodie I dislike her to a passion. She is creepy stalker and leans on Luka btw. Idk if you guys seen the ep where she on his bed smelling things. The shit ton of photo which is unnatural. She lies a lot and so petty to the point she cause problems. Adrien has so much depth and She is a mary sus. Nothing will get her in trouble yet she gonna call out others.
@@JazzM1357 it’s just your opinion it’s just your opinion it’s just your opinion it’s just your opinion it’s just your opinion it’s just your opinion it’s just your opinion it’s just your opinion it’s just your opinion
@@JazzM1357 it's your opinion she is a kind hearted person she just has a crush for the first time like Adrian having friends for a first time stop talking that way
Man, while watching this I noticed that whenever his friends get close or hug him, Adrien has this startled look on his face, like he isn't used to it. Which might also point to isolation and touch-starvation, and that hurts to think about. And even though it's a cliche, it might also explain why his suit is so tight. Not to mention the bell, tail/belt, and even the pinned-on ears. They provide pressure and comfort like a weighted blanket. Not only would it look wrong from a visual standpoint not to have this in his costume, but I would feel wrong physically, too.
I LOVE this headcanon
"To join this fandom is to suffer endlessly"
Honestly that's so true that I cried after you said it XD
Yeah Chat Fans are annoying!
@@quietopinion9637 why
because they say the truth
How rude!
It's true, I only joined a few days ago and I'm already suffering
lmaoo
"This is supposed to be a kids show." I tell myself as tears roll down my face
JNNJWJFNJWNJN SAME 😭😭
HONESTLY BAHAHSJDJ
@2026Alia Hijli My 5yr old brother watches it he thinks it's hilarious 🤣
Yes it was originally was supposed to be a kids show but the creators said they found out most of their audience is mostly teens so they’re gonna switch it up
same here
"And while I would love to rant about this abusive Barbie-Ken-doll-looking rip-off, that's not the point of this video."
asjbkdfksildkjfs- when I tell you I DIED 🤣🤣🤣
You said it and I would love to see you rant about Gabriel. I would also love to see Gabriel forced to eat Humble pie in the show more often.
Eliza Black Jaguar 2020 same
Same
Holy crap I didn't even realize Gabriel looked like a rip off Ken from Barbie! 🤭😂
@Unknown I know this is old sorry-
But, just because Gabriel has good intentions for what he does and cares about Adrien to some extent, that absolutely DOES NOT mean he isn't abusive. Isolating a child and threatening to take away the things that they love if they don't comply with your every whim IS abuse. It IS possible to be accidentally abusive. You can still be a toxic person and genuinely care about people. Abuse doesn't always mean the person doesn't care, or doesn't want someone to be hurt by something or someone. If Gabriel believes that because he's used to being isolated that it must be better for Adrien to also be isolated, then Gabriel doesn't understand that his experience isn't universal. Gabriel wanting Adrien to be safe and not in the same state as Emilie is not an excuse for Gabriel's actions. Intent rarely ever equals outcome.
adrien listens to everything his father said:
1. Chinese & Fencing
2. Modeling & photoshoots even though Gabriel can hire someone
3. Stay homeschooled and study
4. No friends over
5. Meeting and greeting guests
GABRIEL ATLEAST GIVE HIME FREEDOM
Gabriel is the worst father ever,especially after chat blanc.
@@lananikolajevic5219 no cap
Darth Vader: Finally... a worthy opponent! Our battle will be LEGENDARY!
He takes care of his butterflies than his own damn son-
@@quitter90 He’s a hoarder!!!
As someone who has also lived in a similar emotionally abusive and socially deprived environment where every mistake is the end of the world, his actions are spot on.
It took me YEARS to realize that someone helping me with something I messed up was them being helpful and not furious with me, and not understanding social queues only made that problem worse. This video 100% made me realize why Cat/Adrien is my favorite character, there’s a difference between being selfish and dramatic, and being abused and socially sheltered.
Dumb dumb cat son is best son. 💛
Aw I’m really sorry you went through the same thing. Luckily I’ve NEVER been through that. My family is loyal! But I do understand what you’re going through, since I’ve been watching Miraculous. Just remember, you are loved and cared for, and we are all here to support you! 🥰
totally agree!! and i’m sorry that happened to you, i hope you’re doing ok now. *sends hug through internet*
Okay, everything else aside: WHO IN HELL designed that Captain Marvel rip-off, and who gave that design the okay?
MY FIRST THOUGHT. THANK YOU.
IKR IT WAS SO BLANTANTLY OBVIOUS IT HURTS 😭😭
Right I saw her and was like I'm Caption Marvel that you?
To be fair, Captain Marvel is owned by Disney and Miraculous Ladybug is also owned by Disney so...
@@tiredstudent4547 gee at this point disney is literally gonna own every media franchise 💀
It makes me so mad that Chat noir is thought of as just a side kick to ladybug though the Chat and Ladybug miraculous are supposed to be equally powerful 😐 isn’t it supposed to be yin and yang
Exactly the cat and ladybug miraculous are both powerful than any others as they were both born at the exact same time creation and destruction happened for the first time , the only difference is that ladybug can capture akumas
@@1612ergb yess I feel like she gets all of the credit just because she captures the akuma though they are supposed to be a team
True... but dont worry if Paris (Miraculous Lady Bug People) Do not appreciate Chat/Adrien... We the Fandom appreciate him!
Literally, like when Cat Noir was gone Ladybug can handle everything but Cat Noir can't do anything without Ladybug😐
May I remind all of you, there was a scene, I don't entirely remember where.
Ladybug just waves into the camera with her yo-yo, while Cat Noir was in the back, checking on a kid with a blanket that was scared.
The drawing that Adrien made was adorable, but if we saw his current art..it would've looked sad or depressing. I'm not sure if its just me but drawing my feelings helps me out. Poor Adrien. I hope Ladybug notices all his problems..because rejecting him will obviously turn into hate and akumatizing.
(As we saw in Chat Blanc)
Br’er Bear (Splash Mountain): Gabriel Agreste, imma knock your head CLEEAAN off!
I am actually crying Adrien is really a good person
He must live with Marinette!
I've always prefered Chat noir over Lady bug
Trust me, she’s 1000 times worse than him. It speaks volume when you realize that she’s the second person with an high “Akuma Creation Score”.
And in the special, she picked the wrong time to call out Chat Noir for not staying in Paris.
But what she doesn’t get is that, even if he somehow DID stay in Paris, he won’t be able to fix any collateral damage from Akuma/Sentimonster attacks without Ladybug’s Lucky Charm. Even in that case, Paris would ended up as a wrecked city anyway.
So her entire “Well, I can't trust you any longer, can I?!” is totally, 100%, completely POINTLESS! Period! End of the story!
Worst of all, she doesn’t even apologize!😡
“EQUALITY”, indeed.
@@veronicapiccinini1981 she did give him that signal so he could message her to come right back if he needs her so there’s that. But I did feel like the passive aggressive attitude was a little uncalled for. But at least they all made up in the end.
SAME
@@veronicapiccinini1981 She gave him the cat thing you know signal then if it does she can go back there in no time using the poer up or the horsse miraculous... and she overreacted but still understandable...well we didn't really see her apologize...but it kinda ithink showed that she regrets and sorry to chat...like actions speak better than words??..and hey that time ladybug said "i can't be ladybug without him"....theres like different ways to say sorry so yes..but i do agree about "equality"... and about the equality i dont think we should blame it on marinette herself but with the writers or thomas like thomas his fav is ladybug which becoming favoritism so yes
The signal for the cat toy probably wouldn't even be able to travel around the earth without being disrupted
Honestly I liked and hated this special, which is also how I feel about this show. Here's the thing,whenever marinette/ladybug makes a mistake, chat/Adrien ALWAYS comforts her and says stuff like "we'll fix it together!" However, whenever chat makes a mistake she always mocks him and makes him feel bad about himself. For example, when they switched miraculouses,she made fun of him and got mad for him not knowing how to use her miraculous/powers,which makes no sense. How would he know how to,He has NEVER used her miraculous before (it also makes no sense she was able to perfectly use his despite never using it before, but that's a whole other issue.)
And the fact that ladybug says ‘I can’t be ladybug without him’ and I was EXPECTING Chat Noir to prove himself 😅
As Astruc puts it:
“They are EQUAL, people. VERY EQUAL!”😒
@@veronicapiccinini1981 yeah he and the show always SAY they are equal, but what we are shown is very much not equal.
@@veronicapiccinini1981 and yet they don’t have equal screen time and we haven’t had ANY flashbacks for Adrien’s mother or anything 🤦♀️ writing 101, guys😔 (sorry, I’m not a show writer or anything but I do write a lot of Fanfiction and...that fact STILL bugs me since we’re at 3 THREE seasons and no flashbacks)
@@skydragonslayer9820 exactly 😣
honestly i feel like marinette's only personality and character is being obsessed with adrien, and although I get it, i just wish she had more of a background story. in the special episodes from season 1 we see how marinette fell in love with adrien in the first place, which was only in her freshman year. i want to see how she was like before knowing him. and ofc i want to see her confessing her love and all of that, but besides her wanting to marry adrien and have a hamster with him, we don't know much about any of her dreams or aspirations (i know there's fashion and art but the show doesn't really focuses on that all that much)
thomas should really stop using the "it's a show for kids" excuse, and actually do something with this show
Exactly!! I mean we have seen a class photo of her where she actually wore something different and her hair was up but honestly Adrien has gotten the more in-depth backstory & that's why everyone can get behind him. I really want to see how Marinette was before she met Alya, how did Chloe treat everyone before Alya ya know? like it's kind of implied that Mari was friendly with people but the class was too intimidated by Chloe to befriend her, say she was more of a loner and that's why she could relate to Adrien's line "I've never been to school before.. never had friends." idk them connecting to each-other through the fact they have both been lonely just would humanise them both.
Season 4 I hope will give both Adrien and Marinette justice/ development.
Why Nino x Adrien is superior to Marinette x Adrien:
Nino actually *frickin supports him as a person-*
Edit: The replies are largely trashfire ehe take it or leave it
You mean relationship wise??
Marinette is the reason Adrien was able to go to New York in the first place. I think she cares ^^
@@quietopinion9637 yes, but Nino actually helps him and comforts him
@𝓗𝓮𝓵𝓵𝓫𝓮𝓷𝓽.🎻⃢ she straight up knows his schedule for 3 years
@𝓗𝓮𝓵𝓵𝓫𝓮𝓷𝓽.🎻⃢ So.... wouldn't Adrien smell also like camembert, just like ChatNoir, and Marrinete/Ladybug would figure out his identity.
in conclusion: adrien is a baby and must be protected at all costs
@@1612ergb wdym
@@1612ergb explain????
@@Heylivecoconuggets what did he sayyyyyy
@@generalgrievous2165 comment got deleted. And I also I forgot what he said🤣
💛Jesus lived the life we couldn't live and died the death we deserve. Repent of your sins and trust in Him💜
I feel so bad for Adrien
The poor guy doesn’t deserve such a cruel person as a dad
Ugh! Gabriel don't deserve to be a father.
@@johnsantos507 yeah! He’s the worst
@@daychild_ If only Adrien's mother would see what her husband become. An overprotective, abuse.
@@johnsantos507 yeah
I think Adrien should live with Marinette! That’ll be better.
I feel that character development wasn't a main focus at the beginning because this show is categorized as a kids show but now that the writers are realizing how popular it is with older audiences, it is becoming more meaningful, and they are taking the time to include growth and lessons.
Originally, this show was suppose to be for Teens/Young adults
agree!! season 4 had really good development
i hate how when Ladybug makes a mistake like she did in s3 finale, everything is "fine" but when cat noir does it she throws such a temper tantrum at him😐
Yes
You’ve changed, Ladybug! You only care about yourself! 😥
chat noir literally destroyed half of Paris.
Ladybug, we love you, but this ain’t no laughing place if you get mad at him like this!
@@rift_right3259 uhh no that was hawkmoth??? I see you are in habit of blaming victims rather than the perpetrator
Oh god, literally marinette has done soooo MANY bad things, (stealing her friends phone, breaking in to adriens room, also caused akumatizations, stalking,.. ) but the fandom ignores it! And yet adrien is getting all the hate??
Ladybug has directly or indirectly got 9 people akumatised, & Marinette a whopping 26 - loads more than Chloe.
It does depend on how forgiving you are on what counts towards her though - and some could be considered shared neglect (puppeteer 2) or an accident (like Baby August the 1st time) or no one's fault (like Sandboy).
She's stolen Adrien, Kagami, Alya & Chloe's phones & she's also stolen a Camera and a memory card. She's also broken into or tried to break into Adrien's home at least 4 times. Heck alone knows how she gets Adrien's schedule in as much detail as Nathalie has too.
@@90lancaster I agree with everything else you said but when has marinette caused that many akumas? I haven't watched the show in a while so I might not remember most of them but all I can think of is befana which wasnt really her fault, gladiator but like the nan was sad because she rejected ONE icecream like maybe she just wasn't hungry and copycat is debatable but that was more chat noirs jealousy and lie than ladybug not showing up. If you have any more examples I'd like to here them.
@@dod297 I'd say she sometimes might "contribute" to an Akumatisation - like ditching Manon in Puppeteer 2 for example or allowing Alya to push aside Juleka in Refektdoll, or telling Kim to confess to his crush She kinda helped with Desperada a bit too. But she is kinda responsible in part for Animaestro & Anansi,, Prime Queen, Glaciator for sure, Riposte, Frightningale, Dark Owl, Zombiziou, Reverser, Backwardser, Santa Claws, Bakerix, Weredad, Chrismaster, Gamer 2.0, Ikari Gozen was mostly her fault too, She certain often contributes to Chloe's woes too . But sometimes she does something that leads to someone doing something else that gets someone akumatised - like ditching Manon - leads to Alya & Nino sneaking off to make out and abandoning Manon - that gets her akumatised - when it was Marinette's responsibility to be looking after her, not shouting TOILET at Adrien instead.
So some a circumstantial or accidental - sure ; But she was nasty enough to Andre in Glaciator to say that she effectively Akumatised him in the way Chloe Akumatised Stormy Weather 2.
@@90lancaster I mean reflektdoll was more alya fault for pushing her, marinette shouldn't have too always be the reasonable one, alya should have had the common sense to not push her friend out of the way.
Dark cupid wasnt her fault, she was encouraging him to ask chloe out but it was chloe who upset him and humiliated him, she had no idea that would happen and cant be held responsible because it was all chloe.
I dont really remember desperada other than her giving Lukas guitar to adrien so I didn't really notice her play in the akuma.
In animaestro she was at fault along with chloe and theres nothing I can say to defend her.
Anansi was more anansis own worries than her lie because if she got so salty about one loss then she must be sensitive, like just go with them or something.
Prime queen was all nadias fault and ladybug was completely in the right yo leave as she betrayed her trust by making her uncomfortable, I don't know why people try to make out that she is in the wrong in this episode.
She wasnt rude in glaciator, if andre can't accept one rejection and got that sad then he should be a business owner, not everyone has to accept your icecream and they are allowed to believe your icecream doesn't make people 'soulmates' god I hate that word.
In riposte from her perspective she was put onnthe spot to answer and went with what she saw, if you slow the fight down you will see Adrien did beat her by a few frames so she isnt wrong, hawkmoth is entirely at fault not marinette, she answered honestly and was put on the spot to answer.
Frightingale was entirely chloe and marinette dudnt factor into her akumatisation at all, please explain how you think she helped akumatize her.
Dark owl was a slip up, a tiny mistake of saying his name that shes probably used to saying as a reflex and it was hawkmoths fault that he used that minuscule slip up.
Zombizou? What was your thought process? Chloe sabotaged her gift making marinette understandably angry as bustier swept it under the rug and the akumatisation was chloe and hawkmoths United efforts, I can't figure out how you came to this conclusion.
Reverser was her fault but she had good intentions with a bad result, she learned her lesson at the end.
Backwarder was only her fault because she slipped up handing three envelopes that looked identical, anyone could make that mistake and it wadnt her intention to mix them up.
Santa claws was her fault but she was trying to do her job despite her not looking like an akuma at all.
Bakerix was his fault, a boomer that was salty about being bested by a teenager and got affected, not her fault.
Weredad. Please. Explain. It was her fault because she tried to protect her identity? It was her fault because she cane up with a excuse? Please explain deeper because it was no ones fault.
I can only remember some of Christmaster but it was her fault by having a right to privacy? By not letting a kid look at the presents? This has no reasoning so please explain.
Gamer 2.0? Because she said no? Is she forced to say yes? She gas a right to say no, you understand that right? People don't have to say yes to people's requests.
I find remember ikari gozen other than ryuku and cant find it on CZcams so I don't know if it is her fault or not.
She contributes to chloe's woes? How? She is bullied by chloe and always tries to support her friends and help others but noe shes belong chloe, this makes mo sense...
You realise she actively tries to stop akumatizations right?
Sorry about my terrible grammar, I wrote it quickly.
Adrien: nO oNE wILl cArE iF I QuiT
Plagg: I WILL!
Me: this is adorable 😄
When I first saw that scene in syren. I cried tears of sorrow and joy. Sorrow because Adrien felt alone. But joy when Plagg reassured him that he cares about him.
I really hate that he feels that way, just show how much lonely he is and people rarely appreciate him
@@ameliafatikhah Plagg is there for him though. He'll make sure that Adrien knows he loves and appreciates him.
@@ameliafatikhah Marinette appreciates him but at an unhealthy and cringey degree 🤦😁
@@lookmyrolls6522 correct.
I honestly wish marinette knew who Chat Noir is and realise how much he’s been through
yeah :(
but she feels like she can't because of Chat Blanc. Why can't y'all empathise with her reasonings too?? She literally 14 with the weight of protecting Paris on her shoulders and having to lie about it, while also being bullied. She needs self love too
@@quietopinion9637 Chat Noir has the exact same weight on his shoulders and is also protecting Paris
The reason why it happened is because they were caught dating, not because they knew each other’s identities
She is bullied!? BICC WHERE, EVERYONE LOVES HER CAUSE SHE IS JUST SO “PERFECT”
If Mari realized, she would only care abt how she was hating and rejecting her crush and almost nothing else.
I think the fact that Adrien’s giving up of his miraculous can be viewed as both “sensitive” (implying impulsive) and “manipulative” (implying calculating) is a sign that it’s probably neither.
People like to think that just because Adrien isn’t a spoiled rich kid, that automatically means he doesn’t have any issues socializing.
I can’t wait to see them forget about bustier and her baby 💀
fr 😭✋
LMAO
i can see it now "oh yall thought that was canon? nah✋🏾" 💀💀
FR SAKD
Lmao
“I’m really scared of disappointing this person, so I’ll lie and say I have everything under control, and that way they won’t be mad!” is so relatable for me it hurts.
That is fine and all, but fuck plagg for encouraging it.
@@superderfmen don't salt on Plagg! Leave him alone. He just wants adrien to be happy! You prick!
True Plagg loves Adrien a lot he’ll I love Plagg as well but their times he did make mistakes like not telling him about the Kwami thing in Sandboy and blaming him in Style Queen for losing his ring
@@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaBunnydoll lol apparently I’m a prick for having a different opinion.
@@huthifaali8291 I feel like Plagg purposely said those things about his Cat Noir in style Queen to rub it in Ladybug's face how she treats him. My head canon for that episode. Also he turned away from Marinette when introducing himself like he didn't give a shit about Marinette and I love that!
Young me: I like Gabriel because he is so loyal to Emilie and protective over his son!
Me now: Okay thats a lil too much now.
yup
I know right?
Preach!
right now i just Want that CPS comes and takes adrien to a better home.
The sidekick thing about cat noir is kinda true because in strike back (shadow moths last attack part2) the people of Paris only said ladybugs name and they didn’t say his name so that kinda proves it that they see him more as a sidekick than an actual hero
It hurts. 😩
no that was so awful 😭
I wish they would give Marinette some character depth.
Same
In the shanghai special, it will focus on her half chinese origin.
@@shacharlem4424 when will that come out?
April@@junkiemozart .
@@shacharlem4424 I'm low-key excited to hear Mari speaking Chinese
I honestly fear for when Gabriel's identity is revealed and he is defeated that Adrien is going to be more broken than ever .
And probably orphaned too in some way
And probably orphaned in some way or another. And yea imagine your father is evil 🦹♂️ and your mother is dead , poor adrien the hate towards him because of lukanette is so unnecessary
aw no i can just see adrien having a mental breakdown, please no my heart :(
Yeah, Adrien’s gonna be toast...and bacon...😭
Its sad truth!
even though Adrien was a spur of the moment character, he has the most deepest character that hits home.
I didn’t realise miraculous was this deep holy shit
MIRACULOUS SHIPS-
Ladynoir- The one with the flirting, kisses and puns
Adrienette- Toxic creepy stalker relationship
Ladrien- The mutual relationship with a lot of blushing
MArichat- the one that only happens when both characters are rejected by the one they love.
I think mari is becoming slightly less obsessed
@@chidorikubb7141 *cue New York special* nope
@@gracekim25 i mean she wasnt even that sad when adrien left
Umm there the same people lol 😂
IMO none of them are good. Except also IMO Marinette is not 100% the problem. Adrien's pretty guilty too.
Imma say it,
Cat noir/Adrian is dumbed down to make ladybug look good.
And ladybug was made more creepy so we couldn't call her a Mary Sue.
All In all I blame Thomas.
FINALLY SOME ONE SAYS IT!!! I agree with you 100%
it does really annoy me how Adrian as Cat Noir is not as respected of a hero as Ladybug. The AMOUNT of scenes where people thank her and completely forget about him infuriate me.
PLS SOMEONE SAID IT- AND EVEN WITH THIS DUMBING DOWN HES STILL THE MOST INTERESTING CHARACTERS
Agreed 100%
If we look at Desparada. It was Adrien who gave up the snake miraculous. He realized that it was not working out he saw over his own desire to fight alongside LB while her knowing his identity and was the one who suggested Luka.
LB on the other hand still wanted Adrien to have the miraculous. She only cared for being with Adrien not for the fact that the Akuma was still there or that her partner Cat Noir was missing.
So who is more mature. He who understood that he should keep his responsibility before love or She who only cared about spending time with her crush.
And that's why Adrien/Cat Noir is my favorite since day one
YEP!
I REALLY really hope that this show ends up giving adrien & chat noir the happy ending they deserve
As a person who's studying behavioural psychology, I saw this and understood it pretty clearly. Adrien is a complex character with a skewed way of understanding things due to abuse. I genuinely wish that he could have some episodes focused more on HIM so that it could get through thick skulls of those fans who call him selfish or oversensitive.
Yea I wish the show could also focus on Adrien too but it's not likely that it will because technically it's a kids show and his life story may be a little too dark for children.
@@mish2637 i mean they could always just make the scenes deeper or sum so the children dont actually get it, but we do
Exactly! People call him "oblivious" but that's because of the abuse. He doesn't have good social skills because of it.
i thought it was head-on obvious from the start because of Adrian's character. He never went to New York and experience it with friends and thought that maybe he deserved it, as long as Lady bug didn't know, but since they had to keep their identities a secret, both of them didn't expect to be in New York. The fact that LB showed her disappointment to him was his fear and the fact that Paris was in danger because he didn't keep his promise made him feel like the villian.
Watching the movie broke my little heart, but now it feels like their actual bond between super heroes is closer than ever.
I really hope in the next season chat noir actually talks about his problems to LB
Me too, maybe they’ll be able to tell each other more about their personal lives since Ladybug’s the new Master of the Miraculous now
@@datmangotho9618Not sure why he hasn't already
The creator won't really make that happen and give the excuse that this is a kid cartoon. Even if they did it wouldn't change much since almost every emotion confession between the two wasn't very acknowledge for the future episode
Nah, they will never do that... Even as the new guardian of the miraculous, marinette still sees herself as just a holder.
I really do hope the heroes talk about their feelings with each other. Although, I think LB will stop CN from talking about his life, since she insists so hard on not knowing absolutely anything about each other
“Abusive Barbie Ken doll looking rip-off” LOL YES
Adrien/cat is such a good person and it’s sad that he has a messed up home life, he’s young or our age like maybe most of us and he values all the right things yk 🥺
"You think he'd take it out on his own son?"
Adrien, his son: ... I dunno how to answer that?
Me: YES INDEED.
Also the fact no one, and i mean no one, tells him anything. He was told that you can't know each other's identities, yet Ladybug actively chooses other to help and such. He was given the most destructive power without any guide on how to use it, unlike Ladybug with a reset button.
To be fair, adrien didn’t know how to use it because he was impatient. And he figured it out soon after.
Ahem, let me direct you to Oblivio, and Origins, where Plagg gives a rundown to Adrien of his powers, and his emergency user’s guide in his cat-phone. Ladybug, in the battle helps him know where to use it, and even in some battles, he somehow automatically knows.
@@psychott6 Wait oblivio? You mean the episode where they lost their memories and then got them back with no recollection of the events that happened previously? I don’t think that really counts.
@@superderfmen
Well, the cat-phone was a detail that was specifically mentioned in Oblivio, and it was accessible the same.
@@psychott6 I don’t mean the episode itself. I mean that most of the events and character development didn’t matter. Even the part where cat noir claimed if he could fall in love once he can do it again. He has had many realizations similar to that but no progress has been made. Although I do agree with the cat phone.
i literally got emotional and cried watching this, i feel SO bad for adrien. he deserves better.
Preach!
@@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaBunnydoll tell me about it!
@FeligamiAdrizoeDuusuLonggKvsK omg I'm seeing you in so many mlb videos 😂
Gabriel has really screwed Adrian up in terms of how to respond to social situations. He constantly thinks that people will be mad at him if he screws up. But he’s human and not perfect like everyone else.
Let’s not even get into the fact that his father is manipulative and Adrian really doesn’t live a life that’s his.