Tanks That Shouldn't Be Added To War Thunder III

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  • čas přidán 15. 03. 2022
  • I've talked at length about tanks Gaijin could or should add to War Thunder, so again I'll be talking about tanks that I think would have an overall negative impact on the game's balance and gameplay. Some of these could be added at some point in the future, but War Thunder's balancing environment needs to be cleaned up first. Though compared to some of the new vehicles coming in update Winds of Change, maybe not all of these are quite so bad.
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Komentáře • 838

  • @Spookston
    @Spookston  Před 2 lety +350

    As always, leave vehicle suggestions in a comment. These can be for vehicles that should not be added or vice versa.

    • @exo068
      @exo068 Před 2 lety +4

      Thank you for making the TVT!! I don’t know if you got the idea for me but thank you!!

    • @SayakMajumder
      @SayakMajumder Před 2 lety +3

      Stryker SHORAD

    • @NickariusSN
      @NickariusSN Před 2 lety +1

      The Leopard 2A6 HEL in Germany as Premium or Tech Tree (God forbidd) . It is a normal 2A6 on steroids plus giving Germany another top tier tank. All thougth i love it, i think it would have terrible results for players of other nations. Essentially you kill a Wehraboo's 2a6 and they return with another better one

    • @SilentVoid_
      @SilentVoid_ Před 2 lety +4

      @@tyecollaborator5017 t-14 armata is currently impenetrable from the front making it become a nightmare for every other player probably, even the latest leopard 2a7 wouldn't be able to destroy it from the front. you would need to flank it but in long range maps that won't be possible and now that aps is about to be added you will need many missiles to make it run out of aps gernades

    • @exo068
      @exo068 Před 2 lety +1

      @@NickariusSN the A6M is a A6 with improved mine protection and if you need one for urban combat there is the leopard PSO-VT( a A6 M with a upgrade package). The sky is the limit because you could also add the A7V with and without Trophy. There was also testing with the MUSS APS on the Leopards. These are just the ones that Germany used and not the special versions for other customers. :)

  • @benij2431
    @benij2431 Před 2 lety +597

    Personally I like the idea of the Gatling gun, it’s a fun vehicle which is hard to find in War thunder

    • @simsargamand7691
      @simsargamand7691 Před 2 lety +70

      What if the added a Civil war era gatling gun? It can have 5 people pushing it around.

    • @RandomPerson-ob1hk
      @RandomPerson-ob1hk Před 2 lety +13

      Bahaha just like TABS

    • @vanillaicecream2385
      @vanillaicecream2385 Před 2 lety +3

      2:13 ahhh yes, in the current climate.... game climate cough cough

    • @TheBlankJoker
      @TheBlankJoker Před rokem +8

      It would be like when the M163 was released all over again. (Guilty) Spawning in and just spraying the skies.

    • @GoldRaven-oe4by
      @GoldRaven-oe4by Před rokem +1

      Basically put a a10 gun on a tank

  • @Jowjoejoe
    @Jowjoejoe Před 2 lety +710

    I love that there is basically an arms race in each among all the nations, but they are all supplied by gajin
    Edited to limit stroke deaths.

  • @the7observer
    @the7observer Před 2 lety +685

    0:43 - reminds me of the mantis tank that the british made (never used) in WW2 instead of missiles it had a machinegun.. And a poor lad had to stay on the top using the machine gun

    • @maximilianschmidt4142
      @maximilianschmidt4142 Před 2 lety +22

      There were two versions of the TVT, one had a manned pod

    • @PaperThinArmor
      @PaperThinArmor Před 2 lety +37

      Might as well have a guy on a cherry picker with a weapon.

    • @jamesricker3997
      @jamesricker3997 Před 2 lety +3

      Something like that would have been a pretty good tank destroyer when the appropriate Weaponry was developed

    • @koflynn2159
      @koflynn2159 Před 2 lety +1

      The Mantis? I know it.

    • @keck4022
      @keck4022 Před rokem

      @@koflynn2159 me too

  • @S28426
    @S28426 Před rokem +56

    "No tank has fire and forget missiles in Warthunder
    Little did he know

  • @superbrain3848
    @superbrain3848 Před 2 lety +328

    the Vigilanti had about 350 shells in the drum iirc, it uses a drum magazin on the turret where the shells are stored in, reloading it is quite labour intensive since each shell is loaded individualy by hand.

    • @TheTrueAdept
      @TheTrueAdept Před 2 lety +58

      That and everything I've seen has it literally shake itself to pieces the moment it started firing. No joke. The very _frame_ was vibrated so violently that it was effectively destroyed.

    • @crackedjabber
      @crackedjabber Před 2 lety +41

      Can confirm I would 100% fire it at the 3000rpm rate. 10 seconds of ammo and 5 minutes to reload? Worth it.

    • @GrumpyMann
      @GrumpyMann Před 2 lety +11

      This is the most accurate description of the term "glass cannon" I have ever seen

    • @casematecardinal
      @casematecardinal Před 2 lety +9

      @@crackedjabber sounds like me at the range. Good times. Sorta. For a few seconds

    • @mr.prestige9798
      @mr.prestige9798 Před 2 lety +6

      At that point you might as well just use the m163

  • @KingTigerGuy
    @KingTigerGuy Před 2 lety +276

    hmm, for the BMPT, it seems the ATGM is more of the issue, cause having half of your guns and ammo being set to HE/AA rounds is going to heavily hamper your ability to kill tanks over an extended period. If they limited or say removed them and set the guns only, it would be more balanced as like a top tier light/SPAA, maybe?
    Of course the easiest solution is to just make BR decompressed and have higher top tiers, but thats just not going to happen for any time soon.

    • @exo068
      @exo068 Před 2 lety +23

      They could add some of the prototypes. They have older chassis as a base and fewer missiles.

    • @KingTigerGuy
      @KingTigerGuy Před 2 lety

      @@exo068 that could work yea.

    • @SomewhatSummarized
      @SomewhatSummarized Před 2 lety +9

      It’s in a similar situation as the puma then

    • @chadratboi2849
      @chadratboi2849 Před 2 lety +7

      @@SomewhatSummarized the Puma is coming to warthunder next patch

    • @ii_dynasty
      @ii_dynasty Před 2 lety +3

      The 2s38 would be a better option to come into the game instead as a spaa. The bmpt-72 should go into the tank destroyer class at 11.0 when the br is increased to 11.3 for ground.

  • @stanleythedoggy
    @stanleythedoggy Před 2 lety +112

    Note on the Vigilante: IIRC there was a version with a significantly higher ammo capacity.
    To quote a comment from a thread on the WT subreddit:
    "The T249 Vigilante (DIVAD) was developed as an attempt to revive the Vigilante project, and entered as a contender in the Division Air Defense (DIVAD) Contest. However the T249 Vigilante (DIVAD) lost to the M247 Alvin York, which also failed to enter service with the U.S. Military. There were several changes that were made to the T249 Vigilante (DIVAD) over the original T249 Vigilante. The T249 Vigilante (DIVAD) was built on the chassis of a M48 Patton medium tank instead of a lengthened chassis of a M113 armored personnel carrier. The T249 Vigilante (DIVAD)'s T250 cannon was also rechambered from 37mm to 35mm, and had a maximum rate of fire of 3,000rpm. The ammunition capacity was also greatly improved, with a capacity of 1,463 rounds, which gave the T249 Vigilante (DIVAD) a much longer firing time before having to reload."

  • @PineCone227_
    @PineCone227_ Před 2 lety +76

    3:06 but the 2A42 *is* dual feed. Maybe they couldn't get it to work in this dual-cannon configuration? Since then you'd need 4 individual "streams" of ammunition, 2 going to each gun.

    • @Spookston
      @Spookston  Před 2 lety +55

      So apparently it always had dual feed capability, but for applications in armored vehicles it is sometimes limited to a single feed. The BMPT is one such example. I don't know why they opted to use only a single feed in this case. Maybe they encountered reliability issues.

    • @worldoftancraft
      @worldoftancraft Před 2 lety +11

      @@Spookston the creature of Grjazjev and Shipunov and led by them designing bureau *always* could use two belts.
      And two guns were situated solely to increase the firepower.
      Look for adequate sources.

    • @Th0nky
      @Th0nky Před 2 lety +23

      @@worldoftancraft He is correct. The 2A42 on the BMPTs are only linked to a single feed and not two. They use two separate ammunition storages for 3OF and 3UBR projectiles (HE / AP) respectively. You may wish to refer more precisely to the ammunition arrangement on the BMPT before presuming it is false.

    • @worldoftancraft
      @worldoftancraft Před 2 lety +1

      @@Th0nky and this is still the different than «2a42 cannot switch belts». «Cannot because smartasses prohibited it from it by not allowing» is the other category.
      quick upd: initially he said that «at the beginning 2a42 couldn't do it»

    • @superfamilyallosauridae6505
      @superfamilyallosauridae6505 Před 2 lety

      @@Th0nky Yeah, but it is indeed a somewhat odd design choice that I have never found a good explanation for. I can't imagine that switching feed really takes too long for urban combat, especially since you'd rarely need AP for buildings, and if you needed to kill vehicles you have missiles anyways. If you're in an area where you're facing primarily vehicles, you would simply not often worry about switching to HE.
      What he said initially about the 2A42 being incapable of dual feed is incorrect, and he admitted that.
      BMPT is significantly a jobs program with whatever leftover tactical requirements were around, so it might not be worth looking too deeply into. The GAU-8 is a less logical choice, even still, being 5-7 times heavier than a normal cannon when one twice as heavy would do the job a la Su-25, and people love the A-10 to death.

  • @PhoenixSYT
    @PhoenixSYT Před 2 lety +27

    TVT looks like something straight outta clone wars

  • @Zombine45
    @Zombine45 Před 2 lety +26

    I think the one saving grace of the BMPT is that it would be on a T-72 hull, so not fast like the BMP-2 or AGS

  • @maxalator3639
    @maxalator3639 Před 2 lety +38

    I wish they would add the P. 133 heavy bomber for Italy as it was something that was 90% done and was cancelled after the armistice. I feel Italy is lacking a lot in things such as bombers and it would make a great addition prototype or not. I also feel like maybe adding the Freccia IFV to Italy could be good as there isn't too many higher tier vehicles available to Italy.

    • @christofferbonnet8127
      @christofferbonnet8127 Před 2 lety +3

      But it was a prototype right? Its like the Swedish heavy tank prototype Emil 2 or Kranvagnen. It was developed in 1949 i think. It would unbalace as fu-

    • @maxalator3639
      @maxalator3639 Před 2 lety +1

      @@christofferbonnet8127 I don't think the P. 133 would unbalance it because it would fit in probably right around where the B-24 is or maybe even a bit higher since it does have better turrets.

    • @christofferbonnet8127
      @christofferbonnet8127 Před 2 lety +1

      @@maxalator3639 It is a nice looking plane i have to say

  • @jtsg464
    @jtsg464 Před 2 lety +7

    That giraffe ATGM thing is insane, and I'd never heard about it before. Always enjoy learning about these new odd types of AFVs Spookston.

    • @Crosshair84
      @Crosshair84 Před 2 lety

      What about a budget version? With a TOW launcher from a Humvee mounted on the bucket of a cherry-picker from the electric company?
      Would kinda suck for the guy in the bucket.

  • @13deadghosts
    @13deadghosts Před 2 lety +5

    Things that shouldn't be added: SpikeLR. These would be like the bugged UDES 33 Missiles but on crack. And it would put the Puma S1 directly into 12.3 or higher. With decompression, they could be added.

  • @VladiSSius
    @VladiSSius Před 2 lety +51

    As a player playing Armored Warfare, I have message to say to War Thunder players : DO NOT ASK FOR BMP-T FOR YOUR GAME!!
    In AW, BMP-T is damage monster. Autocannons totally rules in top tier. Add missiles and you have kill-all vehicle. Oh and the armor is PITA. I think in War Thunder this vehicle would most likely eats heavy armored MBTs with ease at long range, and short range can be a flanker while also doubling as AA vehicle if possible. In short, you guys will have overpowered vehicle.

    • @worldoftancraft
      @worldoftancraft Před 2 lety +2

      I played this game recently up to the 5th level, looked at top tier armour and did shit myself from seeing side armours in the top tier.

    • @andrewgause6971
      @andrewgause6971 Před 2 lety +12

      Simple. You balance this by giving it one ATGM and half a mag of either AP or HE (logistics bork ups prevent full load out), and you have a 30% chance to spawn with cardboard armor, and a 60% chance to spawn without any gas. :p

    • @martenerlebach7682
      @martenerlebach7682 Před 2 lety +3

      so its exactly did what he should do ... so where is the problem? ... so give me my Ramka / Terminator

    • @jamesricker3997
      @jamesricker3997 Před 2 lety +2

      That is until players learnt how to deal with it
      It can shoot but it's really not fast enough to scoot

  • @snarf9455
    @snarf9455 Před 2 lety +13

    Actually the first terminator BMP-T vehicles were built on T90 hulls, BMPT-72 came later.

    • @Gugus379
      @Gugus379 Před 2 lety +1

      isn't the T90 a T72 with a modified turret ?

    • @snarf9455
      @snarf9455 Před 2 lety +1

      @@Gugus379 not exactly, it has a new engine and better armor.

  • @michaelhowell2326
    @michaelhowell2326 Před 2 lety +110

    Bit off topic, but it would be cool if Gaijin would add canister round, OR rounds and rounds made for helicopters. I can't remember what it is called though.

    • @jiggler1-1
      @jiggler1-1 Před 2 lety +41

      My father (tanker during the cold war) was told just to lock onto Soviet helos with his abrams' fire control system and hit them with a HEAT round.

    • @vincentbelford9551
      @vincentbelford9551 Před 2 lety +34

      While fire control systems would be cool I think they would remove all skill that's left in top tier if you could just give everyone aimbot

    • @FakeSchrodingersCat
      @FakeSchrodingersCat Před 2 lety +22

      The main problem is canister is really only good against infantry and maybe small unarmored vehicles. It does not really have a place in war thunder.

    • @CharliMorganMusic
      @CharliMorganMusic Před 2 lety +18

      @@vincentbelford9551 Well, it'd make it fair. Helicopters have every possible system to improve target acquisition and first-strike accuracy except missile with active radar guidance. In fact, the gun can lock onto planes from several kilometers out and just start shooting at 1.5 km and guarantee a hit on any incoming jet. Helos are even easier and a ground-target may as well be the broad side of a barn.

    • @necromorph1109
      @necromorph1109 Před 2 lety +2

      I would like it if they made Russian tanks unplayable as protest against what Russia is doing right now.

  • @resistivewig610
    @resistivewig610 Před 2 lety +36

    How about a series on vehicles that shouldn't have been added vehicles that have been added but shouldn't have been in the first place.
    Although many of these vehicles have already been talked about
    Edit when I made this comment I wasn't thinking about vehicles that did or didn't exist but rather ones that are in the game but don't serve much of a function or simply aren't fun to play or fight against.
    Mainly helicopters.

    • @naamadossantossilva4736
      @naamadossantossilva4736 Před 2 lety

      This list probably includes R2Y2,Me-163/Ki-200,Panther 2,KT-105 and french reserves.

    • @BigE1205
      @BigE1205 Před 2 lety

      @@naamadossantossilva4736 don't forget the Flakpanzer 341

    • @AllMightyKingBowser
      @AllMightyKingBowser Před 2 lety

      Current E 100 comes to mind

    • @reinbeers5322
      @reinbeers5322 Před 2 lety

      @@naamadossantossilva4736 The Me163 existed IRL and was used. So it deserves to exist.

    • @naamadossantossilva4736
      @naamadossantossilva4736 Před 2 lety +1

      @@reinbeers5322 The War Thunder Me 163 is overperforming so hard it can hardly be compared to the historical one.And that is why it shouldn't be in the game,it needs to be an unrealistic overbuffed UFO to be viable.

  • @The123NISSAN
    @The123NISSAN Před rokem +9

    A year later Gaijin adds a Chinese Terminator

  • @MrMustang1945
    @MrMustang1945 Před 2 lety +27

    Doesn't the BMPT have the nickname "Terminator?"
    As for vehicles that shouldn't be added, the P1000 Ratte and the P1500 Monster come to mind, though I'm sure these have already been suggested.

    • @ivanmonahhov2314
      @ivanmonahhov2314 Před 2 lety +1

      There are actually a lot of different BMPTs , BMPT-72 is Terminator

    • @decarus834
      @decarus834 Před 2 lety

      @@ivanmonahhov2314 Terminator-2 to be exact as the Terminator-1 was the earlier models to the prototypes of the BMPT were as the Terminator-3 is the T-15.

    • @venator5
      @venator5 Před 2 lety +4

      They could not make the Landkrauzer even if they want to do so.
      Not even real blueprints or plans were made

    • @Battleship009
      @Battleship009 Před 2 lety

      There is a suggestion for the Ratte to be part of an event.

    • @screamingcactus1753
      @screamingcactus1753 Před 2 lety +1

      @@Battleship009 I could see an April Fools event where the Ratte basically acts like a raid boss against a handful of players. You and your team mates would play in lower tier vehicles that wouldn't stand a chance against it in a straight fight and you have to avoid it while collecting flares and smoke grenades to mark it for artillery and airstrikes. Or maybe a Ratte vs Ratte game mode where each team has a Ratte and they have to protect theirs while destroying the enemy's

  • @major_kukri2430
    @major_kukri2430 Před 2 lety +14

    @ 0:20 the Z tank getting destroyed really cracked me up

  • @Gmpro02
    @Gmpro02 Před rokem +4

    fire and forget missiles comment aged like milk, welcome the QN506

  • @tyray3p
    @tyray3p Před 2 lety +3

    dude like honestly you've just made me want these vehicles even more in game

  • @dovaskarr
    @dovaskarr Před 2 lety +18

    M95 Degman and M84 tanks. Also, It would be nice to have a "nation" of just smaller nations that have started developing or developed some kind of a tank. M95 Degman and M84 tanks. If added, they will go to the Russian tech tree since they are developed on russian principle, but still it would be nice to see them in game.

  • @FrogOnAHorse
    @FrogOnAHorse Před 2 lety +9

    I think the Karl would be a perfectly balanced addition to the game, you reload for 2 minutes but you annihilate anything that moves and has friends even somewhat near it

    • @JWQweqOPDH
      @JWQweqOPDH Před 9 měsíci +2

      Would your ammo vehicle be AI controlled? Karl can't reload itself. It needs a separate vehicle. It could only fire from a fixed prepared position and took 10 minutes to reload (using a separate vehicle).

  • @rsookchand919
    @rsookchand919 Před 2 lety +5

    I always love how videos like this introduces me to armored vehicles I never heard of. The tvt looks amazing

  • @duncanmcgee13
    @duncanmcgee13 Před 2 lety +9

    The the Thunderbolt II is a gun with wings then the Vigilante is a gun on tracks

  • @craigmurrin2320
    @craigmurrin2320 Před 2 lety +2

    i counted a good amount of turms in this video being used in that Sinai portion of the video when explaining the BPMT

  • @Usmodlover
    @Usmodlover Před 2 lety +4

    Guy with Z on his tank at 3:20 lmao, it’s one thing to hear about people putting Z’s on their tanks, another to see footage of it having not played in about a year

    • @Fowey7
      @Fowey7 Před 2 lety

      fun to see them blow up tho

    • @Just_A_Random_Desk
      @Just_A_Random_Desk Před 2 lety +3

      Z and got destroyed. Historically accurate!

    • @piaskonator2535
      @piaskonator2535 Před 2 lety +1

      This symbol should be removed

    • @hekko161
      @hekko161 Před 2 lety +2

      @@piaskonator2535 Or People should be actually decent human beings.

    • @worldoftancraft
      @worldoftancraft Před 2 lety

      @@Just_A_Random_Desk keep living in the hysteria. Because the means of mass information never lie, do they?

  • @ZackBadCompany1234
    @ZackBadCompany1234 Před 2 lety +1

    I like the Suttle "stronk" you tossed in there when talking about the baptism terminator

  • @tristanziegler7137
    @tristanziegler7137 Před 2 lety +3

    Fun Fact: The Puma currently used in the German Forces is also equipped with fire and forget missiles which can also be exchanged for sam missiles

  • @noahezer9295
    @noahezer9295 Před 2 lety +2

    For the BMP Terminator there were two versions of it, one with a T-72 as a base which is mentioned in the video and the another a modernized versioned based on the hull of the T-90 called the BMPT-72...

  • @CobraDBlade
    @CobraDBlade Před 2 lety +18

    I think the giraffe-style ATGM vehicles would be hilarious as an April Fools event vehicle. Also, depending on how fast the mechanisms could extend and retract, they might be balanceable if they were unable to move from their position until the arms were fully retracted. Doubly so if a shot of HE to the launcher could jam those arms.

    • @Micsmit_45
      @Micsmit_45 Před 2 lety +2

      The mast takes roughly 30 seconds to deploy, and afaik, with the mast deployed the vehicle is unable to move.

    • @wailcharef5590
      @wailcharef5590 Před 2 lety +1

      @@Micsmit_45 that would be a nightmare in war thunder

  • @ThatSlowTypingGuy
    @ThatSlowTypingGuy Před 2 lety +9

    Regarding the TVT, wasn't there a laser equipped version that was being considered at one point? That way they could use the extended arm to achieve line of sight?

  • @private_contractor
    @private_contractor Před 6 měsíci +2

    1:47 maybe it could be like a 1 minute and 30 second repair and if the crane is shot it would take 2 minutes and the crane gets lowered

  • @yeetusthatfetus9889
    @yeetusthatfetus9889 Před 2 lety +3

    After seeing the background footage, I think it’s safe to say Spookston has a new favorite tank.
    Also, can someone tell me what the ball on top of the turret was?

    • @armand9592
      @armand9592 Před 2 lety

      i think it's the commander optic

    • @yeetusthatfetus9889
      @yeetusthatfetus9889 Před 2 lety

      @@armand9592 could be, it’s right next to the commander hatch, and there was a brief moment with a different camera angle behind the barrel

  • @MaplePanda04
    @MaplePanda04 Před 2 lety +10

    As someone who’s fallen in love with the 2S3M, I’d love to see the newer generation SPHs added. Stuff like the 2S19 Msta, PZH2000, M109 Paladin…

    • @FXIIBeaver
      @FXIIBeaver Před rokem

      As long as you can use them in their intended role.

  • @matej1016
    @matej1016 Před 2 lety +10

    no BMP-T but A10 on 9.7 yes very fair to fly with aim9 L against mig 15 bis fair

    • @melaninfarmer
      @melaninfarmer Před 2 lety +5

      You must be new here. Gaijin doesn't really care about whats "fair"

    • @KekusMagnus
      @KekusMagnus Před 2 lety +3

      Mig-15bis will still shit on it in a dogfight, so its not that bad

    • @torifin755
      @torifin755 Před 2 lety +2

      @@KekusMagnus not to mention the PFM exists.

    • @worldoftancraft
      @worldoftancraft Před 2 lety

      @@torifin755 "please fuck me"? Really, why did you remember this junk?

    • @matej1016
      @matej1016 Před 2 lety

      @@melaninfarmer i have lvl 100 and russian top tier tanks and planes and some F4E and 10.7 Abrams

  • @TheSomeguyz
    @TheSomeguyz Před 2 lety +3

    The T249 would be great to put between the M42 and the M163. There's a huge gap there between them jumping from sub 5.0 to 8.0.

  • @rohan-jl
    @rohan-jl Před rokem +1

    I'd like to see some more artillery vehicles added as well as a better way to aim the shots(no, not a topdown view like in WoT), it would be cool for tanks like the 15cm german tank for instance

  • @wolfking164
    @wolfking164 Před 2 lety +2

    Suggestion: Adding the Skink into War Thunder to help fill out US and British AA line in the low tiers

  • @BigE1205
    @BigE1205 Před 2 lety +1

    I think a T1E3 to E6 prototype would be interesting in Warthunder. Their semi auto 37mm gun with about 600m/s muzzle velocity would most likely have comparable point blank flat pennetration to the Panzer II's HVAP belts, but of course with more gradual drop off. Its never going to happen being such a low tier vehicle but would be neat if it were added

  • @debugden9172
    @debugden9172 Před rokem +2

    Looking at the 2S38, they're definitely going to add the BMPT, and there'll probably be a premium version too.

  • @motarokujo8808
    @motarokujo8808 Před 2 lety +4

    They could potentially add the Bob Semple Tank. Of course at 11.3. Lower than that would be to op change my mind.

  • @Lykas_mitts
    @Lykas_mitts Před 7 měsíci +3

    1:50 aged well didn't it.

  • @Bird_Dog00
    @Bird_Dog00 Před 2 lety +8

    The BMPT and other vehicles with unmanned turrets have been in Armored Warfare since the beginning.
    They would take siginficantly reduced damage from hits to the turret.
    I always had a problem with that, both from a gameplay view as well as a logic/"lore" aspect.
    As a gameplay aspect, they get the advantage of a much more resilient turret without the disadvantage of having to lugg around the heavier armour a manned turret with the same level of survivability would require. Those vehicles get an advantage without the trade-off.
    "Lore" wise, the game only looks at the tactical level. Operational and strategic aspects, such as maintenance requirement, fuel consumption, spare parts availability, transport to the AO ect, being ignored.
    Thus, the main advantage of a lightly armoured but unmanned turret (turret gets hit and destroyed, vehicle is a mission kill but can return to base unassisted, crew is unharmed, turret can be replaced quickly, vecle is good to go for the next mission) shouldn't matter.
    As the game only simulates the tactical aspect of the game, only the tactical consequences of a hit to the turret should be considerd.
    Manned or unmanned, a penetrating hit to the turret is a mission kill. Thus a game only simulating the tactical level should treat them as the same in its gameplay mechanics.

  • @daag1851
    @daag1851 Před 2 lety +2

    tbh TVT panther would still get ammoracket when hitting the top so it would be mainly useless

  • @Dcook85
    @Dcook85 Před 2 lety +2

    Honestly a lot of the "compression" of the tiers comes from the fact that prototype vehicles are in the game, such as Japan's Tiger 1. I understand that yes, TECHNICALLY they BOUGHT ONE SINGLE Tiger 1, but they never received it because of logistical issues. So having a Tiger 1 (Heavy Tank No.6) in the Japanese tree is pretty ridiculous.

  • @IowanLawman
    @IowanLawman Před rokem +2

    Oh boy now in 2023, we have an event vehicle thats basically Alibaba F&F ATGM and BMPT, combined. :DDDDDD

  • @timorouw5555
    @timorouw5555 Před 2 lety

    this channel is so underrated. Just wanted to say I'm a huge fan

  • @jannikniebel9559
    @jannikniebel9559 Před 2 lety

    Would be cooler to see more pics of the tanks than gameplay of tanks we already know

  • @jsplicer9
    @jsplicer9 Před 2 lety +1

    The Marmon-Herrington tanks designed during WW2 are pretty abysmal but they have a suggestion page on the forums. As funny as it would be to use them, the main armaments are severely lacking. Despite being a semi-automatic 37 mm cannon, the penetration is lower than that of a .50 cal. The CTMS has one of these guns in the turret. The larger MTLS has two of them in the turret. The Chieftain has a video documenting how horrible these vehicles were.

  • @popinmo
    @popinmo Před 2 lety +2

    they should add a modernized b1 ter with a top aa gun and 120mm smooth bore auto loader

    • @jeandelacroix6726
      @jeandelacroix6726 Před 2 lety

      So an AMX 50 ?

    • @popinmo
      @popinmo Před 2 lety

      @@jeandelacroix6726 I just think it would be funny to see a modern tank with b1 ter perportions

    • @quocvinhnguyen2063
      @quocvinhnguyen2063 Před 2 lety

      Does it exist? If not, then you not going to see it being add to the game for a long time, buddy.

    • @popinmo
      @popinmo Před 2 lety

      @@quocvinhnguyen2063 no lol

  • @SomeOrdinaryJanitor
    @SomeOrdinaryJanitor Před 2 lety +2

    Honestly, the Vigilante would, i think, make a good AA if placed in the proper BR, maybe move some of the SPAAG BRs so there's less gaps. i think there is a lot of AA options for america, like the Chaffee with .50s or the walker bulldog with 20mms. long story short, there is no real reason for there to be such a large BR gap between the M42 and M163.

  • @geoffrey6554
    @geoffrey6554 Před 2 lety

    The reasons you gave against the addition of the TVT made me think a lot about the state of helicopters in the game haha

  • @HighestMetal
    @HighestMetal Před 2 lety +2

    What if they were to add the direct competitor to the Sgt York in its trials which was basically an M48 with a GAU-8 30mm?

  • @zecmyonkonieczkiy6564
    @zecmyonkonieczkiy6564 Před 2 lety

    Spookston can you do gameplays with commentary in it? it would to fun to watch

  • @ryanc00p3r3
    @ryanc00p3r3 Před 2 lety +4

    There's 1 family of tank that from Austria and Spain which i would like to see but impossible to be competitive in current meta in War Thunder.
    That is the General Dynamics ASCOD Family from ASCOD 105 LT to the ASCOD Ulan by far not the best tank to be added and it shound't be added because of lack of firepower and armor being a light tank.

    • @thatasianplayer
      @thatasianplayer Před 2 lety

      I mean whatever he's using in the in-game footage right now is very much akin to the ASCOD line up

  • @IansMentalOmega
    @IansMentalOmega Před rokem +3

    Given how the BMP-T has the issue where its gas venting from its twin main guns cause the barrels to wobble and shake like crazy when firing, it would DEFINATELY not make a good vehicle to add.
    I mean, unless Gaijin decides to stop pretending and give in and fully show its Russian Bias.

  • @fishbed3805
    @fishbed3805 Před 2 lety +15

    You cant forget about the Bob Semple tank since it can kill 6 MBTs at once with its overwhelming armament powerful armor.

  • @knoxrutherford2165
    @knoxrutherford2165 Před 2 lety +19

    Hot take but i dont think the TVT would be too overpowered, from looking at it, it doesnt seem to have any reload mechanisms, so if it took a hit from an HE round all of its ammo would be destroyed, not sure if it had any internal ammo storage, also i would imagine that boom arm would take some time to extend so it wouldn't be able to instantly duck behind cover right away and would be vulnerable

    • @casematecardinal
      @casematecardinal Před 2 lety +3

      It would be a pain in the ass for Russians who wouldn't be able to do shit with their terrible gun angles so I'm fine with it just to make Russian players angry. As long as they don't implement fire and forget or lock on

  • @Phantom-rk9kn
    @Phantom-rk9kn Před 2 lety +3

    In all honesty I would like to see the flying pancake the Vought V-173 get added to the game.

  • @lucasmoreno2154
    @lucasmoreno2154 Před 2 lety +2

    Hey Spook, why don't you make videos commenting on small nation/army vehicles? It could be about the ones you find most interersting, that could have some place in the game, community most suggested, etc.

  • @kaydencenight2420
    @kaydencenight2420 Před rokem +3

    And now we have fire and forgets. Meaning the weird German tank could get added

  • @SoloWing88
    @SoloWing88 Před 2 lety

    Maybe a video on what if crossovers? Like if there was a crossover with x franchise what vehicles to use. It might be something to get mammoth tank in one of these videos again

  • @thewhitehousevietsubarchiv2625

    Spookston: *makes a video about vehicles that should not be added."
    Gaijin: "Ah! A to-add list."

  • @atomewillemin4142
    @atomewillemin4142 Před 2 lety +2

    Great vid as always
    And for a vehicle that shouldn't be added the Russian lineup of BTR because they would be impossible to balance as of now

  • @brotherjynius2773
    @brotherjynius2773 Před 2 lety +1

    If warthunder added top attack missile platforms for ground based vehicles, the BMP wouldn't be to much off an issue however, while currently it's not suitable, if gaijin attacked the top attack later, then it will become a viable vehicle to add into the game as those missiles will be a hard counter to it, granted it'll still be around the top tier but there it would face down tanks that can take it on, and with the introduction of more vehicles equipped with active protection systems (APS) and the trophy system, missiles can be mitigated better by tanks.

  • @konteen2666
    @konteen2666 Před 2 lety +1

    Spooks probably gonna say M41D right now since last time he spent 10k GE on backup in the tank he'll never touch again

  • @Fallenpanther
    @Fallenpanther Před 2 lety +1

    BMPT "Terminator & BTR-T be great to have in-game just more reason for other nations to get their fun tanks to counter it

  • @RandomPerson-ob1hk
    @RandomPerson-ob1hk Před 2 lety

    Bruh imagine you can't see the arm so you hear a loud boom and slowly lower it down to see it's blown up 💀💀

  • @JWQweqOPDH
    @JWQweqOPDH Před 9 měsíci +1

    As someone who watches WT but doesn't play, I want all these tanks in the game.

  • @Th3Bishop3
    @Th3Bishop3 Před 2 lety

    Im not quite sure which catagory this would fit into. But I would LOVE to see the Scimitar CVRT.

  • @galaxlordcz3933
    @galaxlordcz3933 Před 2 lety

    The T249 got me thinking if there was a project to mount a Gau-8 on a tank, could be cool.

  • @ted_kazinsky
    @ted_kazinsky Před 2 lety

    You mentioned the bmpt 72 but might as well do the t 15 armata which is basically the bmpt on sterreoids

  • @BuxtonHouse
    @BuxtonHouse Před 2 lety

    Could you speak more about giraffe tanks?! i have never ever heard of it until now and it does seem like a good idea

    • @E60foamer
      @E60foamer Před 2 lety

      Yeah. You could probably just shoot the neck once and then the enemy is practically disarmed.

  • @sentientleopard2a7
    @sentientleopard2a7 Před 2 lety

    Gotta love the use of Subnautica music:)

  • @Tuck-Shop
    @Tuck-Shop Před 2 lety

    The Vigilante firing at ground targets at 1000rpm for the lols is a must. You need to have fun vehicles to play, not all just meta vehicles and powercreep.

  • @perfectcell1157
    @perfectcell1157 Před 2 lety

    The gameplay in the back is fucking gorgeous!!
    This skill ,my god.

  • @StupidPerson-dh9bj
    @StupidPerson-dh9bj Před rokem +2

    They should add Toyota Hilux tech tree (African/middle eastern tech trees) at around 3.0-5.0

  • @ReviveHF
    @ReviveHF Před rokem +2

    The Chinese Terminator is in the game as crafting vehicle.

  • @kingofgameing2774
    @kingofgameing2774 Před 2 lety

    Can you please make a video on the basics of playing 7.3? I have no idea of how to play the game past 6.7.

  • @zookathecuka4396
    @zookathecuka4396 Před 2 lety

    Is no one gonna talk about the epic Heli kill spook got at 1:19

  • @f2p_regr723
    @f2p_regr723 Před 3 měsíci

    honestly id say do this video idea again cause a lot of the outlooks on these machines have likely changed amongst everyone and yourself

  • @MightyCanadian
    @MightyCanadian Před 2 lety

    Hey bud, whats your thoughta on Wheeled Auto Cannon tanks? (LAVs and BTRs) personally I would love to see the LAV 6.0

  • @thesaints147
    @thesaints147 Před 2 lety

    all i want for christmas is the big brother of the tb-3m, the tb-4

  •  Před 2 lety

    I think the oposite as the Ramka+ Termiantor 2 must be added as the progression line for T15 Armata in close feature. And T 15 Armata is a must for make a line up next to T14 Armata. And yes we have enough Terminator variant to make one of those as premium.

  • @GraytheKnight
    @GraytheKnight Před 2 lety

    I believe all these could be added. How?
    TVT - Destroying the missile launcher also destroys the missiles themselves, forcing it to be cautious about keeping the launcher 'lifted' for prolonged periods of time. Otherwise it'll run out of ammo very quickly. Also make the repair time for the launcher DOUBLE than what it normally is for repairing, say, a tank gun. Battlerating 10.0+
    BMPT (TERMINATOR) - Do something similar here, hitting the missiles attached to the left gun/right gun destroys that gun barrel. Armor wise there are some very flat sections above the drivers hatch and behind the hatches to the left/right, indicating weak points that I guarantee you lead into ammo / ammo detonations. It'll be strong hull-down, sure, but it'll have limited ATGM's most likely. I doubt it has more than 8 rockets at most. And with hard-kill APS coming out it'll struggle against those vehicles. Battlerating 10.3-10.7
    T249 - Not a problem at all, as you said limited ammo ect.
    Keep up the great work as always, Spookston!

  • @exoticbreadstick8661
    @exoticbreadstick8661 Před 2 lety

    could you do a video on foxholes tanks? They are basically Frankenstein's from interwar and ww2 tanks, if you are still doing the everything wrong with series it would be cool to see.

  • @_TheBogDan_
    @_TheBogDan_ Před 2 lety

    Hi spookston, can you make video about JPz 4-5?

  • @_TheBogDan_
    @_TheBogDan_ Před 2 lety +3

    Hi, can you please make a video about JPz 4-5?

  • @Mamiya645
    @Mamiya645 Před 2 lety

    I'm excited for the CV90120 + AHS future, and with the current game climate I 100% expect BMP Terminator

  • @VerdeMorte
    @VerdeMorte Před 2 lety

    That TVT Panther could work IRL with a modern Infantry Fighting Vehicle design equipped with a drum mag autocannon turret...

  • @michellamoureuxm
    @michellamoureuxm Před 2 lety

    Honestly as a Canuck I'd love to see the Ram or the Grizzly added, especially the Grizzly, it's such an underrated and unknown tank

  • @tumate45
    @tumate45 Před 2 lety +1

    Well, we all know from Armored Warfare that the Armata IFV is quite dangerous. Well armored and has high dpm. Fun for someone who uses it, but not fun for everybody else, so yeah, we could steer clear of that

  • @Theshrimpification
    @Theshrimpification Před 2 lety +1

    Funny Swedish tanks could be the grkpbv90.. Or the Bv2063 tow carrier. Or the strv 2000 consept whit a 140mm main gun and a 40mm automatic Canon next to it, but that was only a consept. Other country's cv90 could be interesting like the 35mm chaingun variant whit a vc remote controlled gun station from Norway, or the 25 and 30mm version. Some even have atgm.

  • @sniperh2o325
    @sniperh2o325 Před 2 lety

    the terminator is indeed a vehicle a lot of people were wanting, but just the fact its a "turretless" (for lack of a better term) thats actually armoured enough to not be destroyed by conventional means, yea, that thing would be beyonded cracked. the only vehicles that could actively pose a threat to it would be top attack vehicles, and those things currently dont like dealing with cramp tanks for whatever reason. it has everything you could possibly want in a tank and more, wanna not die by poking your turret to fire? no issue! got jumped and need to take a shot? we got armour for that! pesky helo? what helo? missed one ATGM on that tank? just spam it into submission! yea, id love to use it, but fighting it would be worse than anything weve ever seen in WT

  • @swisstraeng
    @swisstraeng Před 2 lety +1

    Meanwhile at Gaijin Entertainement: Write that down write that down!

  • @xXxTripleHxXx
    @xXxTripleHxXx Před 2 lety +1

    Don't add giraffe TDs to the game.
    This would be highly frustrating to play against.
    The 37mm Gatling in the other hand sounds like a fun vehicle even if it won't be meta

  • @mankiller3040
    @mankiller3040 Před 2 lety

    Since you mentioned the T249 why not mention the M48 GAU-8 and other prototype vehicles in that same project? Although I think I remember you mentioning something along the lines of it since the "victor" of the project was the M249 and I doubt you haven't spoken on that vehicle.