I'm running 5700g as my main rig for 8+ months now and honestly, if you're disinterested in high-end, modern AAA games or are willing to accept playing on low detail it's really a wonderful chip. Handling the light and older games I play without a hitch while doing wonders in productivity department. I'm kind of in love with it, particularly when coupled with how quiet and energy efficient a system based around it can be. And considering we'll see vastly more powerful APUs in the future Ryzen generations, along with DDR5 RAM maturing and nullifying some of the memory bandwidth bottleneck... I'm not sure I'll be ever coming back to discreet graphics cards.
@Jim Jam To be fair, I also have an Xbox for the rare opportunity something graphically-demanding I actually want to check out drops on Game Pass. I'm pretty sure at the time I bought it a 3070ti costed as much as my new ryzen 5700g PC and the console combined. lol
@@johnsherby9130 hey that can be a great depending on your current game habits and cpu situation. To have a little itx apu build with noctua cooler sporting this cpu is the minimalist dream!
The joke is that Piranha Bytes games STILL perform like shit, they are using the Gothic 3 engine to this day. Explains a lot. As much love as some people have for them, I just think they're incredibly lazy and stubborn and it's a shame
Its amazing how far integrated graphics have come, less than a few years ago iGPU used to be stuff of nightmares requiring you to drop to 400x300 lowest settings and what not and now something like 5700g and XE are able to play modern titles at 720p to 1080p with quiet ease
Please do not unless it's just morbid curiousity. 710 was e-waste when it first launched, now it's just gross. Both it and 730 might literally bottleneck the integrated graphics in the athlon. xD Edit: Now that I thought about it, I'm pretty sure LTT made a video on 710 and it was worse than the shitty integrated graphics on an Intel chip... So gross. xD
@@alchemik666 the GDDR5 version of the 730 is almost on par with the athlon's igpu, had one in my rig for a few months a while ago, so i guess it might be a more suitable comparison
Not the one coming this year but the one coming in 2023 yeah. This year we'll get a 6700G that's basically a Ryzen 7 6800H desktop counterpart. So RX 6400 performance, which means better than a 1050 Ti but still worse than a 1060. Next year however, at worst if it's still RDNA2 based we'll probably get to 1060 performance, but best case scenario if we get RDNA3 APUs, then we can even expect performance between a 1060 and a 1070.
@@trixniisama I don't think we'll be getting a 6700G. Firstly it simply wouldn't make sense to port Zen 3+ to AM5. What's more, if it somehow got released on AM4, DDR4 is going to be a bottleneck. So I don't think there are going to be any 6000 series desktop chips. Next year on the other hand, they are going to release the Phoenix APUs, probably somewhere in Q1 of 2023. We will know for sure what the specs will be when the engineering samples start popping up in around Q3 or Q4 of this year. And there are still rumours that some weaker and downclocked RDNA 2 iGPUs will appear on the desktop Raphael chips (there are probably going to be some F models as well). I am looking forward to both of them, as an iGPU is going to make more sense for me only as an addition to the main GPU for things like GPU passthroughs for the virtual machines, instead of a replacement. Those Phoenix APUs might be amazing for some budget and ITX builds. By the way, the Phoenix APUs are rumoured to feature 16-24 RDNA 2 CUs (at 5nm, so they might actually pull it off, since it would take up less space on the die), and at some very high clocks as well. So they will easily blow something like the RX 6500 XT out of the water, given fast RAM.
@@tilapiadave3234 Exactly right. It's never going to happen. Under Lisa Su's leadership, AMD knows they can charge a premium, and you're a damn fool if you don't believe they'll do it.
I just love seeing videos that show off older and currently cheaper hardware head to head and how well they do in some games and not so well in others even though I have a 10700k and a RTX 3070 but yeah I still love seeing stuff like this. I have been following you for about a year now and I'm glad you have became a bigger channel keep making great content man.
I have a athlon3000g machine, I built it for my son, paired it with a 6500xt. It only runs into cpu limitations basically. I had the athlon3000g for little more than over a year ago, it was hard to get your hands on because people were using it to build crazy cheap insane rigs, insane as in WRONGly cheap. Like sub $200 rigs. $20-30 case, $20-30 psu, $20 storage, $20 single stick ram, $40-50 mobo(if they didn't pull one from the assorted bin mobo going for $15 at the time at microcenter), this is when it was going for $50. I couldn't find 1 in stores for a long time, and often they were almost always offering a $20 off deal if you buy a cpu with motherboard on select products. Usually it was off the mobo. I had spare parts from a old rig after selling the cpu and gpu that wouldn't sell on ebay, so I ended up slapping the athlon 3000g in, I had to buy it on ebay for scalper prices of $70 which I won in a bid when the price was pretty much at $109. After a year of dealing with its vega 3 graphics I went to microcenter to try to buy the 6500xt, the microcenter staff who was trying to help me only wanted to sell me nvidia gpu's for litterally more than double the cost of my budget and he went onto a fanboy rant because of reviews he saw online, I saw same said reviews and I dismissed them rightfully so as nvidia paying off reviewers/threatening them which they will, have, and still do. I also wanted out of the box linux support so going nvidia route is less than ideal even. The only cards in budget for me on nvidia camp were the 1030 which I had one in the past in a different rig sold that, and a 710, which I shoved in inlaws rig to get them off their terrible intel IGPU. Even the 6500xt is too powerful to run into limits before the cpu does, even when the cpu limits the gpu to pcie 3.0 speeds. I also had 32gb of 3200mhz neoforza ram which is more like 2800mhz paired with this athlon3000g, and motherboard would not allow me to set the vram past 2gb, and this is the main problem with igpu's if they want to improve they need to allow for far more ram to be dedicated to them. With that rig I could have easily spared 16gb of ram for vram. With the athlon3000g you want to pair it with the right ram and preferably fill all the slots. To explain why would take 4 more paragraphs. But the 6500xt is a underrated beast in its price point, I have not gotten to test a 6400 so I can not recommend but I also can not trust any online reviews as they painted the 6500xt to being complete and utter garbage. Pairing a 6500xt with a athlon3000g does improve the athlons performance and it makes it so it can play a lot more games, but it still struggles with minecraft, which is extremely CPU limited game.
The 3000g had some utility at its RRP of £40. Made a great "starter" CPU for AM4 builds that could be replaced in time. You could put together a budget PC for about 2 to 3 hundred quid with one that would be very upgradable in the future
Still won't make sense unless you *never* plan to buy a dedicated graphics card, as it'll be slower as an actual CPU than the regular Ryzen chips from the next lineup.
@@ShogoKawada123 how will it not make sense? It's literally going to be faster than the Zen 3 chips as it's running Zen 4. It's definitely not going to be CPU bottlenecked
@@deleted6052 What they mean is an APU makes sacrifices to fit the iGPU basically, it's a bit weaker that it's no iGPU counterpart From my understanding at least
Finally upgraded from my Ryzen 3 2200G APU to a Ryzen 5 5600X after 4 years. The 2200G has been great companion all these years and can easily run all AAA games close to 30 FPS at Medium-High settings on 1080p after overclocking to 1500 MHz
Just saw ETAPrime's video on the 680M iGPU of the R7-6800U, and I'm pretty impressed! Can't wait to see that APU stretch it's legs inside a mini-PC, bcoz it couldn't max out it's clocks inside that constrained TDP of the specific laptop!
Would be nice to see 5700g tested in comparison with low-end cpu+gpu for ~350$, for example 12100f+6400xt or 6500xt (if it fits the budget). cpu+gpu pair will probably be in a lead, but for how much %?
I've seen the 5700G on sale for around $250. Absolutely killer deal, I've been tempted to get one but don't know how well it'd pair with my x470 motherboard.
I was using the Vega 11 iGPU in my Ryzen 5 2400G for several months without issue at 1080p until I snagged an RX 570 for $120 brand new at Micro Center in the US back in fall of 2019. The Ryzen even came with two free games one of which I chose Resident Evil 2 Remake and the iGPU played it without issue. GTA V ran smooth as butter especially after coming from the Radeon HD 6970 and AMD FX 6300 combo I was using up until January 2019. CS GO ran beautifully as well albeit a bit lower as the 6970 was still quite powerful at the time.
It actually looks like the 5700G is priced perfectly at $250, relative to the $99 of the 3000G when you consider a 2-3x performance improvement in frames per second.
Arguably it's priced at a even better value at that cost compared to the 3000g if you consider the core difference in other functions like productivity. Not to mention there's a massive upgrade path in terms of getting a discrete GPU down the road whereas the 3000g would assuredly bottleneck even the low end stuff.
Now do a 3000G + RX 6400 vs 5700G comparison! It’s not as stupid as it sounds, either, because the Athlon + baby Navi 2 should be around the same price as a 5700G.
@Yasuno Tsukuda Right. But the Zen cores of the 3000G get walked by the Zen 3 cores of the 5700G, and that’s before we consider the 5700G has four times as many of them to boot. So it’d still give some interesting results: plenty of times where the Athlon will run out of CPU horsepower to push the 6400, and others where the 5700G will be too held back by its onboard Vega graphics.
I want randomgaminginhd to do some game streams I never watch any twitch stream or anything but would happily sit there for afew hours and watch you play !
It can't be understated just how capable modern processors have become in recent years and how they're really starting to outpace the software workloads. Ten years ago when studying engineering I had a dual core Athlon laptop that couldn't handle the CAD work I needed it to do. Now even low-end computers can do some serious productivity with the amount of available processing cores and single-core performance.
I build my PC 3 weeks ago with a 5700g and it's working great for me. The most demanding game for me is satisfactory and it has no problem to run it on 1080p. In total i spend 470€ on the hole pc including the 1080p monitor and Tastatur. Except the 5700g all partsxare second hand but i am absolutely happy.
I would love to see a video comparing the 5700g to a 10 year old flagship GPU. My first GPU was a Radeon HD 7950 back in 2012 and the 5700g looks like it would put up quite a fight against it.
There is a PBO2 feature for Ryzen 5600G and 5700G CPU with b450 or higher motherboards. Try to set the 5700G PPT (Power Limit) to same Power Consumption of the Athlon 3000G, then compare the power efficiency.
It should also beat the 5700G handily in a handful of titles that are ok with only 2 cores. The Vega iGPUs are strong, but they aren't 4x the TDP on a newer architecture strong.
Terrible idea really, you want the fastest PCIe 4.0 compatible CPU you can get if you have to go with a 6400. 12100F is a great choice as there's no such thing as an Alder Lake compatible board that lacks PCIe 4.0.
I noticed on another channels benchmark of the R5 5500, that in some games, like CS:GO, the 5500 _Beat_ the 3700X. Yet most reviewers treat it as garbage. That baffles me. I'm on a B450 board and don't plan to buy into a new platform so, the latest 'drop-in' offerings from AMD are of great interest to me. I'm not a heavy gamer. I am hoping in due time you will review the R3 4100 as I am very seriously considering it but, I haven't seen any reviews that are unbiased. Regardless, thank you and cheers from Alaska.
I have a rig that has the 5700G and it performs very well for a chip that has integrated graphics. It ran Apex, GTA5, and Rainbow Six Siege pretty fine. When I tried to boot up Max Payne 1 and 2, for some odd reason they wouldn't start.
It won't run Halo Infinite at a playable framerate once you get to the open world part after the prologue It'll run the prologue fine though, kinda like a demo, I got my RTX 3070 Ti recently and it runs great at max (ultra) settings
It's also worth noting that the older 200GE and 300GE series Athlon chips don't have full 16x PCI-E functionality, but only 8x, so the lowest end cards that use a full sized connector wired for 8x are going to be your best bet, as anything using anywhere near full 16x bandwidth, ie more than half, is going to get a hardware bottleneck with a dGPU.
As someone who currently uses a 5700G, I absolutely love it. 300 dollars for an incredible processor that also has decent on board graphics. Could not recommned enough if you arent ready to buy a graphics card at these prices
I think a good comparison would be an athlon with a discrete gpu vs a 5700g without any gpu. It would be similarly priced and I think it would be a cool comparison!
I see you haven't upped the vram limit on the 5700g it's at 512mb vs 2gb on the athlon... I don't think the results will differ too much... But something to note my British brother from another mother. Love the vids keep it up
I'm not sure why you recommending only CPU when talking about APU. People really don't think highly about integrated graphics just because they could get external gpu. However there's so many good things about having IGP specially modern igp when it still comparable with GTX 750/Ti
Well, the phrase " you get what you're paying for" applies well here. Of course 5700G would perform way better overall. I'd only go for 3000G nowadays if i wanted a really cheap pc for basic tasks and / or older or less demanding games. Thanks for the comparison.
It would totally be cool if you could do this from Ryzen 3 2200G vs Ryzen 7 5700G but also throw in a comparison for overclocked Ryzen 3 2200G to 3.8GHz with the Vega 8 at 1600MHz. I bet the OC R3 2200G can match the 5700G in a lot of games.
@@xplicitfishin A 2200G is more than perfect for a home theater system. I've used a 2200G for about 2 years and it's easy to keep around 3.9GHz with the 4C/4T. If you really need to overclock the hell out of it, you can get the Vega 8 to 1650MHz for consistent game play. Anymore that they it's not going to last long and becomes unstable.
I still have an Athlon 200GE I'm holding onto for an HTPC. I was able to OC it as a holdover until I got a better CPU as a long term pre-planned upgrade path (I went with a 3600) on my AsRock motherboard. I already have a spare motherboard of the exact same one I already had, so all it needs is storage and some ram and the usual accoutrements like case, power supply, et al.
I cant be the only 1080p player who wants a 1080p high apu, SOC and chiplets is the way to go, so I really hope when am5 lands, it brings with it a killer apu. heres hoping
You should try to redo this video with the phenom X6 and see the differences which will be some but remember to keep the exact same video card that's used for both just as you did here
i dont know if you do modern laptops at all, but I would be curious to see you compare and benchmark the new 680M iGPU on ryzen 6000 mobile CPUs. I recently got a 6800HS, 3070ti equipped Strix G15 2022 and I am impressed at how well it runs games on the iGPU when I am running on battery
@@ClayWheeler They reviewed laptops in the past and why not. the new iGPUs might be a decent budget gaming option to explore, since thats part of the channel.
Had an Athlon X4 640, upgraded to a Phenom X6 1090T, and will maybe upgrade to FX-6350 (with different mb), or skip and upgrade to a Ryzen 3 1200 (and with that to AM4 mb) in the future. All cpu's are used and already in my stock. xD Motherboard for the FX is there too, and a A320M-H Gigabyte mb is already on the way. GPU is an XFX Radeon RX460 4GB silent for all setups, ram is 2x4GB ddr3, and an 8GB ddr4 has arrived too, just the mb is missing for the Ryzen upgrade. P.S.: the used market prices around here for these CPU's and mb's are too good at the moment...
Worth upgrading from 2200g to 5600g for the kids? Still waiting for my x370 itx board to get the official support. Biostar x370 GTN Racing in a pico itx case. No dedicated gpu option in the case. Thoughts?
Very good video as usual. I do however have a small issue with your reversed math.. You said the 3000g is 2,5 times slower than 5700g. How is this possible? I also heard you state in another video that one gpu was 300% slower.. If you remove 300% of anything you would be 200% in the negative. i.e. 100-300% would be -200.. It makes somewhat more sense the other way around if you say the 5700g is 2,5 times faster. i.e 20 fps x2,5 =50 fps. This is 150% faster as 150% of 20 is 30 and added it is 50. If something is 300% faster it gives 4x the original number. i.e. 20 fps +300% will be 80 fps..
I've had a 5700g for a few months now, and it runs great, but for more modern stuff it has a hard time running them even with 32GB DDR4 So I got an RTX 3070 Ti recently, sometimes games will still lag but rarely I'd say the 5700g is an excellent CPU, especially if you can't get a discreet graphics card, and it DEFINITELY beats out cheap garbage discreet graphics cards, the kind if cards that used to sell for $10-$70 that are now $40-$200 since 2020 I mean The 5700g runs Minecraft at ok settings, settings are normal, like fancy graphics and such, with a render distance of 16-24 running okay at around 40+ FPS I think (I can't remember well)
I just bought a 5700g for 1750 Dkk (202 in uk pound ) and that's is included 25% vat. I went to Amazon UK to see what the price was in the UK and it cost 206 pound. I think it's a very good price for a 8 core chip.
Considering I paid under $400 for a brand new 4700U laptop back those are the sweet spot for apu's. It's a very slightly slower 8c8t version of the 5700G with a barely slower gpu (Vega 7 vs Vega 8)
My laptop has a 5600H and it's pretty damn capable. Can get Tiny Tina's Wonderlands and GTA V to run well, also Forza Horizon 5 and a bunch of emulation, even Switch Emulation! Didn't want a dGPU since I have my PC already and for mobile gaming without a socket nearby the little Vega chip performs basically identical to when it's plugged in ^^
Have you tried benchmarking GTA Online too? There should be a frame rate difference if you are using an APU only, but also with a graphics card as GTA Online is more CPU intensive than single player.
the best apu for "gaming" money wise is always gonna be on the lower side. the only problem with 3000g is it is just outside of "playable" range. a 4 core apu is a 100% viable option though - runs 90% of the modern game, scosts not much and allows for dirt cheap mb and even allows for some upgrade since it is heavily ipgu bound so there's room for a discrete gpu.
Get the 12400 non f it comes with a IGPU that has Intels new media engine that makes it amazing if your ever going to be doing and video editing in a lot of uses it will pay for its $20 more it cost than the f with out a igpu
I have a feeling the 5600g would probably be the healthy middleground, ~$100 less, only a 5% drop in performance running APU only, regularly available new.
Hello I would love to see a video of there 2 apu tested in game AMD A8-6410 APU + Radeon R5 Graphics and the athlon 3000g just to see the difference between them and to see how far we come. As in the UK power prices are sky rocking Please
Could you show more videos where you pair the athon 3000g with a gpu? For example, 3000g paired with rhe 6400 or 6500xt? Pleeeeeeease, that would be the extreme budget combo, just for the laughs!
i have a uSFF pc as a media center / light gaming rig in my bedroom, and the 5700G serves a great purpose for something like that. Especially when paired with faster RAM, i noticed a decent difference going from 3200 to 3600 lower latency RAM.
12400 and rtx 3070ti is a great PC today and prob the best bang for Buck for a great 1440p high refresh 4k big screen gaming / video editing PC 12600k and you got yourself a nice steaming setup even
wait a sec, in my neck of the woods the 5700g is much closer in price to the 5700x then it is to the 5600x. In fact you can get a 5700x for 325$ tax included, while the 5700g is a tiny bit more expensive - usually 335$. The 5600x can be had for as little as 240$ - again tax included, making the 5700x a good alternative for the 5700g if you don't need integrated graphics. In fact even the 5800x is closer in price to the 5700g at 360-365$.
I know the temptation is always there to make these videos into some kind of consumer advice, but sometimes the people just wanna see dumb comparisons!
I'm running 5700g as my main rig for 8+ months now and honestly, if you're disinterested in high-end, modern AAA games or are willing to accept playing on low detail it's really a wonderful chip. Handling the light and older games I play without a hitch while doing wonders in productivity department. I'm kind of in love with it, particularly when coupled with how quiet and energy efficient a system based around it can be. And considering we'll see vastly more powerful APUs in the future Ryzen generations, along with DDR5 RAM maturing and nullifying some of the memory bandwidth bottleneck... I'm not sure I'll be ever coming back to discreet graphics cards.
@Jim Jam To be fair, I also have an Xbox for the rare opportunity something graphically-demanding I actually want to check out drops on Game Pass. I'm pretty sure at the time I bought it a 3070ti costed as much as my new ryzen 5700g PC and the console combined. lol
I’m strongly considering selling my gtx1080 and just rockin an igpu in a tiny form factor pc
@@johnsherby9130 hey that can be a great depending on your current game habits and cpu situation. To have a little itx apu build with noctua cooler sporting this cpu is the minimalist dream!
@Jim Jam I have a 5700G and an RTX 3070 Ti as well
If you are willing to play on 1080p office sized monitor, then iGPU could be a viable solution for you.
Everytime i hear Athlon I think back to the times when I actually upgraded to an Athlon to play Gothic 2 with more than 30 FPS...
Bet you're feeling like an 150 year old grandmaster
The good ole days when upgrades were actually UPGRADES and not incremental performance gains
@@otavio30 like a 150 year old , yes
The joke is that Piranha Bytes games STILL perform like shit, they are using the Gothic 3 engine to this day. Explains a lot. As much love as some people have for them, I just think they're incredibly lazy and stubborn and it's a shame
@@BrooklynBalla "The good ole days" You're just blinded by nostalgia, everything is an upgrade on PC no matter what if it's only performance increase.
Its amazing how far integrated graphics have come, less than a few years ago iGPU used to be stuff of nightmares requiring you to drop to 400x300 lowest settings and what not and now something like 5700g and XE are able to play modern titles at 720p to 1080p with quiet ease
And I imagine the 5700g will be considered equal to the low end parts once desktop RDNA2 apus come out.
@@Fina1Ragnarok the 680m on laptops quite literally matches the laptop version of 1050ti
And it's only getting better.
And that's ignoring the consoles and the m1 variants.
The future is looking bright!
@@dakyno well, the desktop gtx 680 is actually a bit weaker than the 1050ti
A fair comparison would be:
Athlon 3000G (£70.00 on CeX) vs GT 710 (£35.00 on CeX) + Intel Pentium G4560 (£28.00 on CeX)
Yeah that’s an interesting comparison. I’ll have to try that
When the CPU has better graphics than the GPU itself.
Please do not unless it's just morbid curiousity. 710 was e-waste when it first launched, now it's just gross. Both it and 730 might literally bottleneck the integrated graphics in the athlon. xD
Edit: Now that I thought about it, I'm pretty sure LTT made a video on 710 and it was worse than the shitty integrated graphics on an Intel chip... So gross. xD
@@RandomGaminginHD hyped
@@alchemik666 the GDDR5 version of the 730 is almost on par with the athlon's igpu, had one in my rig for a few months a while ago, so i guess it might be a more suitable comparison
That is a great comparison! It's good that you think of things like this.
Thanks for watching :)
@@RandomGaminginHD its actually 50-90 usd
It seems the Next AMD APU will be even faster than a GTX 1060, which is impressive. Especially when the price is right.
Not the one coming this year but the one coming in 2023 yeah. This year we'll get a 6700G that's basically a Ryzen 7 6800H desktop counterpart. So RX 6400 performance, which means better than a 1050 Ti but still worse than a 1060. Next year however, at worst if it's still RDNA2 based we'll probably get to 1060 performance, but best case scenario if we get RDNA3 APUs, then we can even expect performance between a 1060 and a 1070.
@@trixniisama I don't think we'll be getting a 6700G. Firstly it simply wouldn't make sense to port Zen 3+ to AM5. What's more, if it somehow got released on AM4, DDR4 is going to be a bottleneck. So I don't think there are going to be any 6000 series desktop chips.
Next year on the other hand, they are going to release the Phoenix APUs, probably somewhere in Q1 of 2023. We will know for sure what the specs will be when the engineering samples start popping up in around Q3 or Q4 of this year. And there are still rumours that some weaker and downclocked RDNA 2 iGPUs will appear on the desktop Raphael chips (there are probably going to be some F models as well). I am looking forward to both of them, as an iGPU is going to make more sense for me only as an addition to the main GPU for things like GPU passthroughs for the virtual machines, instead of a replacement.
Those Phoenix APUs might be amazing for some budget and ITX builds. By the way, the Phoenix APUs are rumoured to feature 16-24 RDNA 2 CUs (at 5nm, so they might actually pull it off, since it would take up less space on the die), and at some very high clocks as well. So they will easily blow something like the RX 6500 XT out of the water, given fast RAM.
WHEN the price is right???? Assumption that AMD will finally STOP it's price GOUGING?
@@tilapiadave3234 Exactly right. It's never going to happen. Under Lisa Su's leadership, AMD knows they can charge a premium, and you're a damn fool if you don't believe they'll do it.
I wonder if they means these APUs can play low end VR?
I just love seeing videos that show off older and currently cheaper hardware head to head and how well they do in some games and not so well in others even though I have a 10700k and a RTX 3070 but yeah I still love seeing stuff like this. I have been following you for about a year now and I'm glad you have became a bigger channel keep making great content man.
I have a athlon3000g machine, I built it for my son, paired it with a 6500xt. It only runs into cpu limitations basically. I had the athlon3000g for little more than over a year ago, it was hard to get your hands on because people were using it to build crazy cheap insane rigs, insane as in WRONGly cheap. Like sub $200 rigs. $20-30 case, $20-30 psu, $20 storage, $20 single stick ram, $40-50 mobo(if they didn't pull one from the assorted bin mobo going for $15 at the time at microcenter), this is when it was going for $50. I couldn't find 1 in stores for a long time, and often they were almost always offering a $20 off deal if you buy a cpu with motherboard on select products. Usually it was off the mobo. I had spare parts from a old rig after selling the cpu and gpu that wouldn't sell on ebay, so I ended up slapping the athlon 3000g in, I had to buy it on ebay for scalper prices of $70 which I won in a bid when the price was pretty much at $109. After a year of dealing with its vega 3 graphics I went to microcenter to try to buy the 6500xt, the microcenter staff who was trying to help me only wanted to sell me nvidia gpu's for litterally more than double the cost of my budget and he went onto a fanboy rant because of reviews he saw online, I saw same said reviews and I dismissed them rightfully so as nvidia paying off reviewers/threatening them which they will, have, and still do. I also wanted out of the box linux support so going nvidia route is less than ideal even. The only cards in budget for me on nvidia camp were the 1030 which I had one in the past in a different rig sold that, and a 710, which I shoved in inlaws rig to get them off their terrible intel IGPU. Even the 6500xt is too powerful to run into limits before the cpu does, even when the cpu limits the gpu to pcie 3.0 speeds. I also had 32gb of 3200mhz neoforza ram which is more like 2800mhz paired with this athlon3000g, and motherboard would not allow me to set the vram past 2gb, and this is the main problem with igpu's if they want to improve they need to allow for far more ram to be dedicated to them. With that rig I could have easily spared 16gb of ram for vram. With the athlon3000g you want to pair it with the right ram and preferably fill all the slots. To explain why would take 4 more paragraphs. But the 6500xt is a underrated beast in its price point, I have not gotten to test a 6400 so I can not recommend but I also can not trust any online reviews as they painted the 6500xt to being complete and utter garbage. Pairing a 6500xt with a athlon3000g does improve the athlons performance and it makes it so it can play a lot more games, but it still struggles with minecraft, which is extremely CPU limited game.
The 3000g had some utility at its RRP of £40. Made a great "starter" CPU for AM4 builds that could be replaced in time.
You could put together a budget PC for about 2 to 3 hundred quid with one that would be very upgradable in the future
@@cloudycolacorp good thing to have in your toolbox on the offchance a board doesn't support cpuless bios flashing
I can't wait for the Ryzen 7 7700G. It's literally going to kill low and mid range GPU's. Definitely once DDR5 gets even more optimized
Still won't make sense unless you *never* plan to buy a dedicated graphics card, as it'll be slower as an actual CPU than the regular Ryzen chips from the next lineup.
@@ShogoKawada123 how will it not make sense? It's literally going to be faster than the Zen 3 chips as it's running Zen 4. It's definitely not going to be CPU bottlenecked
@@deleted6052 What they mean is an APU makes sacrifices to fit the iGPU basically, it's a bit weaker that it's no iGPU counterpart
From my understanding at least
@@deleted6052 They will probably remove half the cache like they did with theother ones so it wont be like the full zen4
You have a twisted view of "midrange"
Finally upgraded from my Ryzen 3 2200G APU to a Ryzen 5 5600X after 4 years. The 2200G has been great companion all these years and can easily run all AAA games close to 30 FPS at Medium-High settings on 1080p after overclocking to 1500 MHz
Just saw ETAPrime's video on the 680M iGPU of the R7-6800U, and I'm pretty impressed!
Can't wait to see that APU stretch it's legs inside a mini-PC, bcoz it couldn't max out it's clocks inside that constrained TDP of the specific laptop!
I am so glad I went with Ryzen 3 Pro 4350G because I cannot afford dedicated GPU.
Try the Ryzen 5 3400G with Vega 11 vs the Ryzen 7 5700G.
Would be nice to see 5700g tested in comparison with low-end cpu+gpu for ~350$, for example 12100f+6400xt or 6500xt (if it fits the budget). cpu+gpu pair will probably be in a lead, but for how much %?
Rather have a 6600 with a 5600x
Also, going for 3600mhz or higher memory will help a ton on the gpu side.
I have 32gb 3600Mhz CL18 (2x 16gb)
The Cas Latency may not be the greatest though at 18
Your plants have improved a lot since the first videos. You´ve become a pretty good gardener!
I hope we get a new Athlon "6000G" with the new AMD processors :-D
My 3000g which I bought when it came out does its job well in my dad's PC.
right! AMD please we need Athlon 6000g, with 4 cores@4ghz and integrated Navi :)
We need a Ryzen APU with DDR5
@@BrooklynBalla The steam deck and the new 6000U and H series are here. They aren't on desktop yet, but AM5 is coming soon.
love my 3000g great back up to have at hand,everyone should have one
Lol. When the IGPU was so good in my country, that people scalped the 3000Gs as well as the rest. Damn you!!
You dont know how long i have been waiting for this video.
I've seen the 5700G on sale for around $250. Absolutely killer deal, I've been tempted to get one but don't know how well it'd pair with my x470 motherboard.
I’m personally absolutely stoked for rdna2 igpus. I’ve got my fingers crossed that the high end APU of next year will match an rx6400
I was using the Vega 11 iGPU in my Ryzen 5 2400G for several months without issue at 1080p until I snagged an RX 570 for $120 brand new at Micro Center in the US back in fall of 2019. The Ryzen even came with two free games one of which I chose Resident Evil 2 Remake and the iGPU played it without issue. GTA V ran smooth as butter especially after coming from the Radeon HD 6970 and AMD FX 6300 combo I was using up until January 2019. CS GO ran beautifully as well albeit a bit lower as the 6970 was still quite powerful at the time.
It actually looks like the 5700G is priced perfectly at $250, relative to the $99 of the 3000G when you consider a 2-3x performance improvement in frames per second.
Arguably it's priced at a even better value at that cost compared to the 3000g if you consider the core difference in other functions like productivity. Not to mention there's a massive upgrade path in terms of getting a discrete GPU down the road whereas the 3000g would assuredly bottleneck even the low end stuff.
I bought it at $359 months ago T-T
But yeah great value
@@bigbear514 Yep, after months of 5700G only I finally got my RTX 3070 Ti about a week ago, it runs pretty great
no, because they announced the 4600g recently, which will be almost as fast,and much cheaper.
also the 5600g is almost identical
Now do a 3000G + RX 6400 vs 5700G comparison! It’s not as stupid as it sounds, either, because the Athlon + baby Navi 2 should be around the same price as a 5700G.
@Yasuno Tsukuda Right. But the Zen cores of the 3000G get walked by the Zen 3 cores of the 5700G, and that’s before we consider the 5700G has four times as many of them to boot. So it’d still give some interesting results: plenty of times where the Athlon will run out of CPU horsepower to push the 6400, and others where the 5700G will be too held back by its onboard Vega graphics.
I want randomgaminginhd to do some game streams I never watch any twitch stream or anything but would happily sit there for afew hours and watch you play !
That's one massive performance for an iGPU :O I'll absolutely be getting something like that when I'm upgrading ! :D
HE POSTED!
This is exactly what I was looking for 🙂
This video made my cat a super screen predator. He then demanded I give you a paws up.
These tests are really interesting.
It can't be understated just how capable modern processors have become in recent years and how they're really starting to outpace the software workloads. Ten years ago when studying engineering I had a dual core Athlon laptop that couldn't handle the CAD work I needed it to do. Now even low-end computers can do some serious productivity with the amount of available processing cores and single-core performance.
I build my PC 3 weeks ago with a 5700g and it's working great for me.
The most demanding game for me is satisfactory and it has no problem to run it on 1080p.
In total i spend 470€ on the hole pc including the 1080p monitor and Tastatur.
Except the 5700g all partsxare second hand but i am absolutely happy.
Love this comparisons. I own an Athlon 3000g. Playing Tomb Rider right now at low 30 fps@720p mostly low settings haha.
My older setup was athlon 200ge now upgrading to 3 pro 4350g, loved watching this video.
I would love to see a video comparing the 5700g to a 10 year old flagship GPU. My first GPU was a Radeon HD 7950 back in 2012 and the 5700g looks like it would put up quite a fight against it.
RandomGaming had an HD 7950 video in 2020, I think. Good GPU, still put quite a struggle even to this day.
There is a PBO2 feature for Ryzen 5600G and 5700G CPU with b450 or higher motherboards. Try to set the 5700G PPT (Power Limit) to same Power Consumption of the Athlon 3000G, then compare the power efficiency.
Athlon 3000g paired with RX 6400 would be interesting
if you can find it
It should also beat the 5700G handily in a handful of titles that are ok with only 2 cores. The Vega iGPUs are strong, but they aren't 4x the TDP on a newer architecture strong.
Terrible idea really, you want the fastest PCIe 4.0 compatible CPU you can get if you have to go with a 6400. 12100F is a great choice as there's no such thing as an Alder Lake compatible board that lacks PCIe 4.0.
i've said it before and i'll say it again, never have i ever been happy with an athlon cpu
I noticed on another channels benchmark of the R5 5500, that in some games, like CS:GO, the 5500 _Beat_ the 3700X. Yet most reviewers treat it as garbage. That baffles me.
I'm on a B450 board and don't plan to buy into a new platform so, the latest 'drop-in' offerings from AMD are of great interest to me. I'm not a heavy gamer. I am hoping in due time you will review the R3 4100 as I am very seriously considering it but, I haven't seen any reviews that are unbiased. Regardless, thank you and cheers from Alaska.
The frame times is also a very important metric for a better playable experience,
This guy has an insane garden
Can you do one with 4650g and 4600g? also love your videos, keep it up! (:
I have a rig that has the 5700G and it performs very well for a chip that has integrated graphics.
It ran Apex, GTA5, and Rainbow Six Siege pretty fine. When I tried to boot up Max Payne 1 and 2, for some odd reason they wouldn't start.
maybe you are missing some configuration or your game is corrupt because i can play mp1 and 2 just fine .
It won't run Halo Infinite at a playable framerate once you get to the open world part after the prologue
It'll run the prologue fine though, kinda like a demo, I got my RTX 3070 Ti recently and it runs great at max (ultra) settings
I have a 5700! Yay! Dunno if I'll bother to pair it with a GPU as I use it more for productivity tasks.
It's also worth noting that the older 200GE and 300GE series Athlon chips don't have full 16x PCI-E functionality, but only 8x, so the lowest end cards that use a full sized connector wired for 8x are going to be your best bet, as anything using anywhere near full 16x bandwidth, ie more than half, is going to get a hardware bottleneck with a dGPU.
Nice comparison, but for the next time include the exotic A12 9800 please.
Looks good :)
As someone who currently uses a 5700G, I absolutely love it. 300 dollars for an incredible processor that also has decent on board graphics. Could not recommned enough if you arent ready to buy a graphics card at these prices
I miss using my Ryzen 5 2400G but as we all know Win11 will not "accept" it. I know it can be forced onto the platform, but at what future cost?
I have a Athlon 3000g cpu for a little spare general purposes pc and for troubleshooting purposes . And for that , its extremely useful. 😊 .
we want more of your dog in the videos
Atholon vs Celeron might be interesting.
To see if a couple years old 2 core 4 threaded Atlhon CPU can beat a 2022 2 core 2 threaded Celeron
I think a good comparison would be an athlon with a discrete gpu vs a 5700g without any gpu. It would be similarly priced and I think it would be a cool comparison!
I see you haven't upped the vram limit on the 5700g it's at 512mb vs 2gb on the athlon... I don't think the results will differ too much... But something to note my British brother from another mother. Love the vids keep it up
That's just the integrated vram, they can adress much more system RAM. My 5600H laptop can adress up to 3,5 GB of RAM, so 4 GB in total.
I'm not sure why you recommending only CPU when talking about APU.
People really don't think highly about integrated graphics just because they could get external gpu.
However there's so many good things about having IGP specially modern igp when it still comparable with GTX 750/Ti
Well, the phrase " you get what you're paying for" applies well here. Of course 5700G would perform way better overall. I'd only go for 3000G nowadays if i wanted a really cheap pc for basic tasks and / or older or less demanding games. Thanks for the comparison.
It would totally be cool if you could do this from Ryzen 3 2200G vs Ryzen 7 5700G but also throw in a comparison for overclocked Ryzen 3 2200G to 3.8GHz with the Vega 8 at 1600MHz. I bet the OC R3 2200G can match the 5700G in a lot of games.
@@xplicitfishin A 2200G is more than perfect for a home theater system. I've used a 2200G for about 2 years and it's easy to keep around 3.9GHz with the 4C/4T. If you really need to overclock the hell out of it, you can get the Vega 8 to 1650MHz for consistent game play. Anymore that they it's not going to last long and becomes unstable.
It's like comparing well maintained head hair with pubic hair
I still have an Athlon 200GE I'm holding onto for an HTPC. I was able to OC it as a holdover until I got a better CPU as a long term pre-planned upgrade path (I went with a 3600) on my AsRock motherboard. I already have a spare motherboard of the exact same one I already had, so all it needs is storage and some ram and the usual accoutrements like case, power supply, et al.
Next gen AMD APUs will be amazing for on the go 7th gen emulation. Can't wait!
I cant be the only 1080p player who wants a 1080p high apu, SOC and chiplets is the way to go, so I really hope when am5 lands, it brings with it a killer apu. heres hoping
You should try to redo this video with the phenom X6 and see the differences which will be some but remember to keep the exact same video card that's used for both just as you did here
i dont know if you do modern laptops at all, but I would be curious to see you compare and benchmark the new 680M iGPU on ryzen 6000 mobile CPUs.
I recently got a 6800HS, 3070ti equipped Strix G15 2022 and I am impressed at how well it runs games on the iGPU when I am running on battery
You came to the wrong Channel.
There are many other channels that focused on Laptop reviews
@@ClayWheeler They reviewed laptops in the past and why not.
the new iGPUs might be a decent budget gaming option to explore, since thats part of the channel.
@@AlexandraYume yeah but very rarely.
The Laptop Contents of this channel is like 1% of His total videos on the entirety.
You should test the 5300g, the OEM-only 4-core, 8-thread APU that performs about 90% as well as the 5600g
Had an Athlon X4 640, upgraded to a Phenom X6 1090T, and will maybe upgrade to FX-6350 (with different mb), or skip and upgrade to a Ryzen 3 1200 (and with that to AM4 mb) in the future.
All cpu's are used and already in my stock. xD Motherboard for the FX is there too, and a A320M-H Gigabyte mb is already on the way.
GPU is an XFX Radeon RX460 4GB silent for all setups, ram is 2x4GB ddr3, and an 8GB ddr4 has arrived too, just the mb is missing for the Ryzen upgrade.
P.S.: the used market prices around here for these CPU's and mb's are too good at the moment...
Worth upgrading from 2200g to 5600g for the kids? Still waiting for my x370 itx board to get the official support. Biostar x370 GTN Racing in a pico itx case. No dedicated gpu option in the case. Thoughts?
No. Just spend the 5600g money on a dGPU, even a 6400 would do better
Very good video as usual. I do however have a small issue with your reversed math.. You said the 3000g is 2,5 times slower than 5700g. How is this possible? I also heard you state in another video that one gpu was 300% slower.. If you remove 300% of anything you would be 200% in the negative. i.e. 100-300% would be -200.. It makes somewhat more sense the other way around if you say the 5700g is 2,5 times faster. i.e 20 fps x2,5 =50 fps. This is 150% faster as 150% of 20 is 30 and added it is 50. If something is 300% faster it gives 4x the original number. i.e. 20 fps +300% will be 80 fps..
I've had a 5700g for a few months now, and it runs great, but for more modern stuff it has a hard time running them even with 32GB DDR4
So I got an RTX 3070 Ti recently, sometimes games will still lag but rarely
I'd say the 5700g is an excellent CPU, especially if you can't get a discreet graphics card, and it DEFINITELY beats out cheap garbage discreet graphics cards, the kind if cards that used to sell for $10-$70 that are now $40-$200 since 2020 I mean
The 5700g runs Minecraft at ok settings, settings are normal, like fancy graphics and such, with a render distance of 16-24 running okay at around 40+ FPS I think (I can't remember well)
I just bought a 5700g for 1750 Dkk (202 in uk pound ) and that's is included 25% vat.
I went to Amazon UK to see what the price was in the UK and it cost 206 pound.
I think it's a very good price for a 8 core chip.
Still getting along with my 3400G. Only 2 years old so I probably should hold off on upgrading for another 2 years.
Considering I paid under $400 for a brand new 4700U laptop back those are the sweet spot for apu's. It's a very slightly slower 8c8t version of the 5700G with a barely slower gpu (Vega 7 vs Vega 8)
The 5700G is just too unbalanced in CPU/GPU for me to ever reccommend
My laptop has a 5600H and it's pretty damn capable. Can get Tiny Tina's Wonderlands and GTA V to run well, also Forza Horizon 5 and a bunch of emulation, even Switch Emulation! Didn't want a dGPU since I have my PC already and for mobile gaming without a socket nearby the little Vega chip performs basically identical to when it's plugged in ^^
Tune in next week for Athlon 3000G Vs Ryzen 7 5700G.........................
Have you tried benchmarking GTA Online too? There should be a frame rate difference if you are using an APU only, but also with a graphics card as GTA Online is more CPU intensive than single player.
the best apu for "gaming" money wise is always gonna be on the lower side. the only problem with 3000g is it is just outside of "playable" range. a 4 core apu is a 100% viable option though - runs 90% of the modern game, scosts not much and allows for dirt cheap mb and even allows for some upgrade since it is heavily ipgu bound so there's room for a discrete gpu.
Get the 12400 non f it comes with a IGPU that has Intels new media engine that makes it amazing if your ever going to be doing and video editing in a lot of uses it will pay for its $20 more it cost than the f with out a igpu
Can’t believe the 3000G was only 49$ not too long ago.It’s around 90-100$ now
Yeah insane value for money at the time
I have a feeling the 5600g would probably be the healthy middleground, ~$100 less, only a 5% drop in performance running APU only, regularly available new.
Hello I would love to see a video of there 2 apu tested in game AMD A8-6410 APU + Radeon R5 Graphics and the athlon 3000g just to see the difference between them and to see how far we come. As in the UK power prices are sky rocking Please
Could you show more videos where you pair the athon 3000g with a gpu? For example, 3000g paired with rhe 6400 or 6500xt? Pleeeeeeease, that would be the extreme budget combo, just for the laughs!
I still want something like this for my system. I just want to be able to use the onboard display ports.
i have a uSFF pc as a media center / light gaming rig in my bedroom, and the 5700G serves a great purpose for something like that. Especially when paired with faster RAM, i noticed a decent difference going from 3200 to 3600 lower latency RAM.
Could you return the witcher 3 as one of the games you benchmark? I would appreciate it.
12400 and rtx 3070ti is a great PC today and prob the best bang for Buck for a great 1440p high refresh 4k big screen gaming / video editing PC 12600k and you got yourself a nice steaming setup even
always wondered about this tbh
Can you compare them, with fast ram on the Athlon and slow one on the Ryzen?
Something like 3200+ vs 2666?
hey man do you still do rig reviews from your instagram dms?
The 5300G 4c/8t 6 cu $150 grey market is not bad but OEM pre-builts mostly
I also think about how many bios updates will i need or which is most realiable.
Long gone is the time that 3000g was 50 of anything :) its now at least a 100
Nice
i think your text should be higher than Subtitle or Player Control, i find it hard to read when i move my cursor.
How about a comparison with the R5 5600g that would be interesting.
What, no Athlon 200 GE ?...
Now think what the Steam APU can do! 4cores/8threads, RDNA2, LPDDR5 and all for just 15Watt of electricity! And it is ZEN 2...
wait a sec, in my neck of the woods the 5700g is much closer in price to the 5700x then it is to the 5600x. In fact you can get a 5700x for 325$ tax included, while the 5700g is a tiny bit more expensive - usually 335$. The 5600x can be had for as little as 240$ - again tax included, making the 5700x a good alternative for the 5700g if you don't need integrated graphics. In fact even the 5800x is closer in price to the 5700g at 360-365$.
you should do a 6400 vs t400 or t600 video
I know the temptation is always there to make these videos into some kind of consumer advice, but sometimes the people just wanna see dumb comparisons!
😂