How Much Does Your Motherboard Affect Performance?
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- čas přidán 14. 05. 2024
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Thanks for the shout-out 😬💪🏼
I am the first reply
@@narwin2477 ok
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Checking out your channel!
Your welcome
TLDR: As long as the VRM isn't thermal throttling, it doesn't really matter.
TLDR: Invest in fans
That's what she said...
More like TLDW
Which is why I ziptied four 40mil fans to the flat chunks of metal that MSI slapped on my X370 Gaming Pro Cabrón. It sits in my server now.
Thanks, this should be the answer in the conclusion section of the video.
The geek in me loves these videos. I only recently got into gaming pcs after being a console pleb for all my life(cost was my excuse). Now I've undertook the task of building my daughter her own rig because she deserves it, never gave me any problems, got good grades, graduated with honors, etc.. In the past I was too poor to have considered this but always wished I could. I appreciate these videos because they are teaching me about stuff I had no clue how they work or what is just hype. Thank you Anthony and Alex and Linus for sure for showing me I don't just have to throw all the money at it to have a great system.
Cool
Niceeee
Very wholesome comment, you sound like a great dad 😊
w father
Good job dad. For real money should be spent on good storage like m.2 or ssd, processor, cooling and graphics card if it's for gaming. Do not need best ram just 16 to 32 anymore than that and it's waste unless you doing it for video editing etc. you can build a good 🎮 ng rig for like 1200 bucks. Honestly you can refurbish an older rig for like 800 bucks if it has a good motherboard for expansion like an old school asus 370e strix. Gl on build
this sponsor/video theme combination is great, you can easily advertise without it changing what the video tries to bring across👏
I really loved how Brian the electrician earned so much cred to have his own boss theme song and recurring gigs at LTT..
Brian the Electrician has reached the echelons of Turbo Yoda
@flyYTguy Thunderbolt is evolving into Arc Flash.
One of the most Canadian things ever is Anthony talking about miles per hour, but using a kilometers per hour speedometer limit, and the graphic also using a kph set up.
Yeah fortunately? Fuck the imperial system
@@pauljemand8832 Glorious Imperial System > peasant metric system
Imperial is the best. There are 13 thumbs in a duck, and 27 ducks in a queen's lake, and 3 queen's lakes in a mile. What a great system!
@@guadalupe8589 🤡
@@guadalupe8589 You died
------ TRY AGAIN
I have to say that the results are quite surprising -
Your time and effort in conducting these tests are greatly appreciated.
Once again - a stellar presentation by Anthony without the unnecessary
child-like hyper-excitement.
Professional job. Thanks, Anthony.
Why do we all like Anthony so much? Concur.
As to the title itself it's really the wrong sort of question to choosing a motherboard, which I can appreciate now why strict gamers are only wanting to buy the same basic b450 (I swear half of all builders went with the Tomahawk; I wasn't impressed) because what they're only thinking about is fps I guess? But it's just here's the thing, even if you bought a board just for the fps, you are not going to be building a PC just for a glorified game launcher (you'd have just bought a console instead possibly) but also for a real computer, which means that there's a whole slew of questions and problems you're needing to ask yourself now. Like are you going to need to use this for schoolwork or presentations? Do you need it at work in four years? What's your platform for? Do you like lots of storage? Do you intend to help backup the family photos of the now deceased family dog and email them the old videos? Did you actually need this thing to edit the graduation photos?
So like, don't just buy a board thinking about your fps. Moreover what you should be doing is ask not just "what am I using this for" but "what do I see myself wishing I could use it for?" But to answer that question, it doesn't mean that you should buy a friggin $650 Intel board either, just not the worst board neither. Like I have already, just within the previous 2 years, discovered that the HOTAS I bought, that I already didn't know I was intending to buy when I built it, could have major problems on the power delivery through USB, and which knock on wood don't think is a problem but heard repeatedly by people that the X56 has a habit of frying peoples' boards, and I theorized that this was partly because of so many people having very few PCB layer cheap boards with shittier parts because they never even dreamed to think "yes but can I play No Man's Sky, MSFS2020, or Elite: Dangerous with a HOTAS without problems, and can it handle that power delivery?" And so just because of that, I have heard people saying you need to buy a *$150* add in USB 3.0 card to just use the HOTAS without weird shit like ghost inputs and frying parts of the motherboard, or worse.
So see, this right there is just one issue where I could've just had to buy an additional hundred bucks worth of stuff, to just find a workaround to my bad board, just to play a game. And RGB. I wish I had more ARGB ports on mine. You will find all sorts of stuff you didn't think to ask until you already were building or had just built it, and that often enough, a difference between a $130 B550 and $270 x570 board is the difference, keeping in mind that's just the past two years to me alone, so I can't even imagine how many others built during the pandemic on a rather lousy board not realizing the kinds of problems it can cause down the line.
I do think a refresh on motherboards through Anthony or LTT or someone else could be a good thing, not just on the new platform but also just as refresh to get new hobbyists into their groove, and asking the right unexpected questions is one of them. Like there are lots of workarounds to problems and limitations, it's just that they're expensive, sometimes time consuming, and basically add up to more than the cost of the board itself if you just went higher and near none of that has to do with clock speeds sans the questionable VRMs/power delivery on El Cheapo boards that get popular with so many gamers.
I really should thank you, Dell, for having managed to get that through to me with such remorseless brutality over the years by inflicting on me a locked down BIOS on a trashboard that's Dell OEM quality, the same I thank Apple's inflicting God given survival instincts augmented with PTSD to SAVE F'ING EVERYTHING by crashing on me and erasing hours of my life so repeatedly that I follow the 2:1 rule religiously now: backup all your files to three different drives, two in one place, another in a different location in case your house burns down. Thanks to Apple I'll have nothing but my old KOTOR save files and some family photos and late 90s/early 00s iTunes mp3s, but still.
Point being, prolonged exposure to bad OEM motherboards can make you mentally ill, a rambling neurotic wreck. Don't do cheap motherboards kids. Stay in school.
@@pandemicneetbux2110 nobody asked
@@ntwrk56 Free speech and public space though.
But holy, that was _looong_ lol
@@pandemicneetbux2110
Lmao😂 I love elaborate jokes. Nice.
@@anxiousearth680 Oh my sweet summer child, you think I am merely joking when I say, that prolonged exposure to Dell and Apple in your youth will turn you into a Lovecraft mythos survivor gibbering neurotic PTSD'd wreck of a man. Oh you should thank whatever gods you worship you had never experienced and survived such things, though it's questionable that surviving is the better outcome; sometimes, death is better. I survived countless HP laptops, Dell OEM XPS/Optiplex tier, and Apple emacs, imacs, iTunes DRM, and PowerMacs among others, and I can tell you, that the blood vessel bursting rage inducing problems will change the way you look at life, hardware, savestates, and fundamental questions about the nature of reality; sometimes, death is better. You think I am joking when I tell you that I had essays squirreled away at a parent's office or school PC, literally hundreds of manual saves in Witcher 1 and KOTOR, old floppy disks filled with now useless data, oh the nonstop slowdowns and crashes, and slowdowns and crashes sung by Apple chimes, involuntary physical panic seeing that hockey puck cooler on a green or blue DELL board awaiting the preordained time of counting the beeps and length of beeps, and beeps and lengths of beeps, wondering if my Dell system would survive; sometimes, death is better
This is actually really informative. I really only knew about the difference in I/O and ports so it’s good to know some of the lower end ones do come with other limitations.
An AMD version of the same tests would be greatly appreciated especially if we are going to get new ryzen 6000 boards
Also sub $100 boards
Yeah I'm in the market for a mobo and this was going to be my answer but its Intel.....
Yeah we need that video!
Could I squeeze a bit more lifetime out of my X470 AM4 motherboard with the "new" 5000 Ryzen CPUs ?
I'm currently running a Zen+ CPU so, there might be an upgrade path for him.
Yeah totally I agree since I only just built a budget amd setup with a ryzen 5 5600g being the most expensive part, I'd be interested in an amd version too cause the board (can't recall the exact board atm but it's msi) I did get is good enough for now but, it would be nice to see what's best out there and if there's any worth upgrading too since the cpu should suit all of my needs at least until the gpu shortage and price hikes end
I've been wondering this for years, and if anyone were to be trusted, it's Anthony!
Yeah me to !
@Ladioz u understand little
@Ladioz Anthony has more knowledge tho
@Ladioz Anthony is sigma
Ain't there several Hardware Test Sites and Reviews? 0o
I would like to see the same tests on the AM4 platform. I've seen cheap A520 boards perform the same as expensive X570 boards on an R9 5950X. And introducing some extra airflow to the VRM's could also make a big difference.
I have a Gigabyte a520m Elite and a R5 3600 w/6800xt. I game and compare fps/benchmarks from CZcamsrs with exact or sometimes CZcams has s as better CPU than mine, and I’m slightly better than what they get.
Paid 74.99 for motherboard new and $144 for my Ryzen 5 3600 new late 2019.
I love how you start these Anthony, it's such a cool touch.
And your delivery on these informative videos is fantastic. Keep these videos coming!
Just gotta love this dude. He's so freaking relaxing to listen and watch to. Anthony could easily narrate documentaries about stoves for 10 hours and I'd watch it.
To be fair, a 10 hour documentary about the history of the stove would probably be pretty interesting anyway, but yeah
Anthony x Technology Connections crossover.
I second that, ngl that sounds like an interesting documentary on stoves with or without Anthony
you’d probably watch paint dry or grass grow too. so, doesn’t say much
Lmao Anthony!
When buying a new motherboard the best things to question are:
1) Does it have all the ports and internal connections I need?
2) Can it handle the power requirements for the CPU's I want to use (including what you might upgrade to)?
3) Does it fit into the case that I want to use?
If the answer to all of these is yes, it's just a question of balancing ease of use features, visuals and overall perceived quality against the cost.
This is oversimplified, sure for a mundane computer yeah you got the gist, but for power users or people that need greater hardware there is a shit ton more you need to take into account.
Grant it the bulk of watchers are poor or tightwads apparently, so this does apply to them.
Well there are some more things that one can want that are much harder to find. PCI-passthrough support for example.
@@nocturnal101ravenous6 Yea but LTT makes videos targeting people that are completely clueless and their business model is to spoon feed them basic tech info. If a true Power User is watching LTT to learn things than this industry as a whole is in trouble. This video is the perfect example, its just fluff and filler, there is no information here, as far as I can tell its sole purpose is to fill an advertising quota. "Dont overheat components" is not some new radical idea.
Honestly im not sure how you conflated this topic with a lack of money, its kind of odd. The cost of your build does not equate to your skill as a power user in any way. Really it just makes you sound like a wannabe elitist prick, trying to look down at the poor peons on the internet you imagine you are better than.
I just buy what works best for my daily gaming/work use. Serious, breaking the bank to for a PC that's way overkill for what you use it for is a bit of a diminishing return.
4) does it have a good bios or a unusable one like asrock?
Woah! You guys should do more board reviews in the future, that's some real awesome results. And please let Anthony do it!
Nice job, Anthony! Great info, well presented. Kudos, bro.
"out of factory performance"
*proceeds to set the power limit to 4000W*
Yes factory, indeed
Yep, thats some proper industrial power limit.
If cpu doesnt glow white hot, then there is still headroom x'D
I remember a time when Expensive boards cost about $100...
Gotta love the shitty market atm, the chip shortage effects mobos too
Yeah those days are never coming back...you also don’t wanna cheap out I made that mistake when I upgraded to my 4790k years back I went with an ASrock mobo that was dead on arrival the next one fried within a month and then the last one caused issues with almost all of my parts except the video card and power supply. I will never get their brand again.
@@jakeman025 I cheaped out on my mobo for my 4790k with a board that cost around 80, and a long time after that I killed it with water 😅 oops, and got a msi gaming 9 and it made exactly 0 change in ram, cpu frequency, etc, even the benchmarks were exactly the same pretty much.
I remember a time when Expensive boards couldn't be purchased at all; they only existed in prototype labs.
@@deusexaethera I'm still using an 8 core CPU from 2012 on a cheap motherboard, so I haven't progressed much.
Been waiting for a video like this. Thanks for doing the legwork!
This is exactly what I wanted form a video about motherboards
Would love to see similar video about AMD too and some info on comparing this video to AMD.
Excellent video. I'd love to see this as a yearly thing (for both AMD and Intel boards) where you take the most popular boards from each manufacturer to give a comprehensive overview.
That'd be a deep rabbit hole, considering that "popular boards" probably come with different sockets and different supported CPUs and RAM-type.
HUB practically does this testing whenever a new chipset comes out. You should be very well equipped to find a good board.
This is the kind of video we need more of. Solid recommendation on a category of hardware based on thorough testing and value comparison.
Yeah, but only including one top level processor seems pretty weird. They should've included something from lower midrange as well.
A lot of sites do that every year, maybe that is the reason LTT doesn't.
This would have been a lot more interesting with B boards since they’re not checking over clock capabilities, which defeats the large amount of purpose to half of these boards. IMO.
I have seen a good large MB test for ages, good work LTT and nice work Micro center for funding this.
Surprisingly had a pretty noticable improvement in Overclocking potential with a new ASUS ROG Strix Motherboard after my more budget level MSI Board failed. Now my 3000mhz RAM that was previously only stable at 2866mhz can run at even 3200mhz and my Ryzen 5 2600 went from stable at 3.7GHz at 1.3V to 3.8GHz at 1.3V making my overall experience just a bit smoother.
"across the..."
Me: don't do it.
...
Me: don't do it!
Anthony & me together: "Board!"
Anthony is the man when it comes presenting and keeping the whole vid energized!
I want to hug him
@@CorporalAdrianShephard mmmmmmmmm not so sure he would like it or not .
That was great info presented well. The ROI just not really being there on the expensive board was truly eye-opening. Thanks for the testing!
To me it was to be expected but I agree it was a very well done comparison. You've got to figure that they aren't going to do any excessive engineering for the higher end boards because it would cut into their bottom line.
Now I'm really glad I picked the Asrock Z590 Pro 4 for the PC I built few months ago. Initially planned to use a good B560 like the Asrock Steel Legends or Asus TUF with the i7 11700 but the store I went to were out of stock and was trying to sell me an ASUS prime H570 instead, saying how it still "supported 11th Gen" and hence was still good. But some of the features it lacked made me pick the Asrock one instead.
It did in the Intel 4 Cpu era, Front Bus Speed and ddr1 vs 2 And Agp vs Pci
All in the same generation. It was insane back then.
I had a mobo (asrock iirc) with both agp and pcie and support for both ddr1 and ddr2. Crazy times indeed.
@@michalpbielawski I had one too. I must have totally suppressed that memory until I read your comment. You’re right, those were crazy times.
I haven't thought about FSB for ages. Just like CRT's and ribbon cables. I think I just outed myself as being old 🤣
07:14 Gotta love Anthony
I would love to see more board comparisons in the future for a given CPU
The startup intro of this video was legendary!
I would've preferred to see this with AMD motherboards because you could at least run the memory on the same speed and timings. Or for the test to use 2133 memory.
I concur o7
Hardware unboxed does this kind of testing all the time. Amd results are extremely boring. All boards are good.
@@Superiorer using an asrock ab350 board that cost me 50 bucks incl shipping brand new. Used it since my 1300 and now woth my 3600 still going strong, even with memory and cpu oc. Obvz i got no reference but im pretty sure thatll do to agree with you :D
@@D3nn1s is true asrock bios is uselles??
@@daviddimeglio5466 depends on what you mean by useless i guess?
I found it a bit hard to navigate, but its my first pc so no clue how it compares to others.
I was able to oc ram and cpu like i said no problem
an AMD motherboards test would be great to get recommandations for team red
Yes, please!
Yes, please
AMD doesn't pay good as Intel
No, AMD is boring. All b550 boards perform the same.
@@Superiorer and is it a bad thing?
Thanks mate, needed such a test now.
We need test like these every year, there is so much value in those informations thank you
Loving all the new intros being so high energy lately, always a fun time
ye same
why do i feel the opposite wtf is wrong with me :/
@@AppleW Don't get mad but...it's because you're boring. Sorry grandpa :(
@@MrTuNNe dont bet mad but your predictable attention is also boring
@@MrTuNNe damn feel bad for u if ur grandpa's 15
We can answer this question just like any computer related one:
It depends
Hello there, I use arch btw
(Kinda, more accurately I use Garuda btw)
Linux Master Race
Got an upvote from me as soon as I saw your name, haha!
Very true
i use tw btw
changing from an asus b460ma to an ASRock B560m Pro4/ac+ made a giant difference in mid game rendering for me, especially with assets with multiple pieces. ie: corn fields used to throttle the heck out of my cpu cooling, but now i dont think it could run any happier
Great reviews now we only need a Micro Center in Tampa, FL.
"Not every bios is created equally" *Cries in HP Omen*
HP has always had incredibly restrictive BIOS menus. Their business hardware is the worst offender by far
@@kennethparadis2733 Well, it bit them in the ass in my case. They advertise the current generation of HP Omen machines as having XMP RAM and being upgradeable, but the RAM doesn't run XMP profiles (only achieves 3200MHz through horrible JEDEC settings), XMP cannot be enabled in the bios, and if you put in any RAM other than the specific HyperX modules that HP ships, it won't run at 3200MHz at all. I learned this when I bought a machine with 16gb of RAM, and then got another 16gb of store-bought HyperX RAM (which looks identical, but apparently isn't) to take it up to 32gb. So I threatened to take them to the fair trading authorities here in Australia, and they rolled over and replaced my whole machine with a top of the line one with 32gb out of the box, more storage, and a better GPU at no cost to me. As to why I bought an Omen to begin with, I get VERY good prices with HP through my employer, and I was literally getting a whole machine for only a bit more than the cost of the GPU.
@@YetMoreCupsOfTea I have a HP Omen and noticed the same thing, tempted to just swap out the HP motherboard though and in theory everything else should just work…
@@Shoot231 I have heard of someone doing that, but in my case I just forced them to give me a machine with 32gb of RAM on threat of dragging them through the fair trading system here in Australia. Our consumer protection laws are no joke, and they clearly could tell they were in the wrong.
@@YetMoreCupsOfTea should've still taken them to it regardless lmao
I love motherboard content. Choosing a motherboard, back in the day, was a real challenge, given all the bleeding edge tech becoming available so rapidly, alongside all the proprietary feature sets many boards came with. Not so much any more, but I do miss watching JJ and Paul on NeweggTV spend an hour going over absolutely every feature of the latest Asus Deluxe board. These days an unboxing of enthusiast motherboards would actually be great, because I've found it hard to know for sure exactly what's in the box as far as accessories. I've seen boards that say "this feature requires such and such accessory" and shows the accessory pictured on the Newegg or Amazon page, only to find it doesn't come in the box. Frustrating.
Wow i feel the total opposite haha 🤣🤣
Back in the days there wasn't that much references and the top prices were 300ish only for a few and rarely pushing in the 400 maybe for 1 or 2 models...now...😶😶🙄🤣🤣
So to me it was kinda easier to choose as you hadn't have to play "where's charly" to find the very important difference that could change your entire life between 2 boards from the same manufacturer 😂
Sadly DFI is only making industrial boards now, hopefully EVGA's still around but isn't distributed in every country 😥
Go watch Gear Seekers! They do motherboard overviews and show everything!
Interesting results I didn't factor my new motherboard into performance (I guess without videos like this there really is nothing to go on. I just upgraded my motherboard and CPU, ultimately budget/price difference won out over potential future expansion/slight performance advantages. I first picked up a Gigabyte Z590 paired with a 12600k, but ended up swapping it out for a similar B550 Mobo with a AMD 5600. It ended up being about half the price when factoring in needing to immediately add a beefy cooler to the Intel system.
See... and right off the bat when you mention number 2 on your tests at 4:11, this is a heavy reason alone why people should follow this channel and others on LMG. Not only are you pointing out all of the objective results, you are helping viewers save money while presenting them the best bang for their buck that is still a high end performing part!
I will forever love this about LTT/LMG because they not only care, they know it matters!
wow this aged like fine milk 😂
TLDR: Buy a reputable motherboard that has the features that you need (number of USB ports, M.2 slots, SATA Ports, PCIe slots, etc) and don't worry about the fancy "gaming" and "extreme" monikers.
Great video!
Nah I bought a Strix x570f for that sweet sweet RGB 😃
And always check reviews if there are weak points.
Thanks :)
I buy whatever Buildzoid tells me to buy.
He said buy a MSI B550 Unify-X. I bought a B550 Unify-X.
He said buy dual-rank Samsung B-die. I bought dual-rank Samsung B-die.
(the B550 Unify-X is a full-featured ATX motherboard with 2 DIMM slots and ridiculous overclocking potential)
Just did that recently and ended up with a board that has "Gaming" in its name... (ROG Strix B550-A Gaming)
I've always wondered this, and wondered why this hadn't been tested more already. This was great
This is so interesting !! Ive just learnt something. Thank you
I used to have an asus entry level board equipped with an fx-8350 and it actually clocks down from 5.0ghz to 1.4ghz because of the VRM thermals
Can you do the same for AMD as well? The chips seem more efficient, at least than the 11900K, so that might change things a bit.
Efficient enough to be slowed down at win 11 and constant hardware issues? Sheesh, AMD is for poor people.
@@maemilev POV: you have no idea of anything
@@maemilev In what year are you living? Certainly not in 2021
@@maemilev Poor me with my 5900X and 911 GT3.
@@maemilev You need to check your facts. AMD has some killer CPUs out there, and I use Intel in my gaming machine currently. Especially the higher end AMD products. Surely you’ve seen them review them on this channel.
A good question indeed.
But more importantly: Does your love for Anthony affect your performance?
Yes.
Said the actress to thw bishop.
Well now that there's pressure.. damn it.. never mind :-(
Yes
>.
Please tell me I'm not alone in just jamin out on the intro music, like bang my head an everything, probably half the reason I watch these.
what im asking myself quite a while now, are ATX boards considerably better than micro-ATX and other formfactors.
Thinking about doing a smallff build with an N200 case or something like that, since some cases can house cards upto 4090 sizewise and are easy to transport/the GPU doesnt sagg so much
I'd love to see a part 2 with an AMD cpu
Id love to see more Anthony! Like if you agree or don't and be shamed
@@technews5020 "Like if you agree or don't and be shamed" I hoped those comments would stop when 2005 Kids have grown up ..
Irrelevant
@@trashblob How when it was always the 20+ people writing these comments=
"There can only be one motherboard!"
Me with two really old pcs: aged together strong
Apes ?
I got a msi board a year ago..... didn't know you could change the cpu cooler tuner. I always wondered why it pushed such low wattage. Holy hell thanks so much!!!
These type of comparison vids are always welcome....
Hey guys, I think you should do a video on the consistency of board performance for boards made during the pandemic. Due to component shortages, counterfeit parts are flooding the markets. These parts can affect board performance and it would be interesting to see how well manufactures are monitoring this.
Become a member of Hardware Unboxed or Gamers nexus then ask them.
LTT is just fancy not too deep of any details.
When I upgraded from B350 to X570, replacing no other component, I saw no effect in any benchmark except for the newer Assassin's Creed games where the improvement was shocking... I went from around 60 to 80 FPS.
probably only because your previous motherboard vrms sucked and wont allow full cpu boost
@@Tonyx.yt. why wouldn't that show in Cinebench, Geekbench, 3DMark, or any other game benchmark I could think of? It literally only showed in Assassin's Creed!
@@jasondailey9402 ac creed games are heavy on CPU about other stuff probably they don't last that long to show any differents while you spent much more time in games which means more load for your cpu
@@jasondailey9402 because it doesnt have pcie 4.0 it uses 3.0 so your GPU performance increased not cpu
@@jasondailey9402 because it would depend on a ton of setting in the bios, windows, etc.
Interesting results, i'd like to see the same comparison between some am4 socket motherboards!
ASRock was always on the customer side
My 1st rig had a ASRock Mobo and now has more than 8 years and still running as my mom's personal desktop (win 10) awesome hardware,
Love ASRock work.
4:34 That...that deep voice...so Alien!
when's the *Anthony Uncle sings an opera* coming out?
Definitely interested in seeing more of this kind of video. I remember every time I've helped build a system the Mobo is always the least satisfactory part to choose because shy of having WIFI 6, and "is this the overclocking chip-set or not?" there often isn't a really good way to choose boards, especially if you're not planning to make much use out of some of the more advanced features.
I was told like a hundred times that I should get the OC board just bc I'm getting (got) an unlocked cpu. Even though I dont need OCing bc im not gaming on this, using it as a DAW machine. Should I waste my money on the $200 z590 mobo or go cheaper, despite having an unlocked cpu? It seems like only one person I spoke with had any sort of intelligence whatsoever, and told me that itd be perfectly normal to have an Unlocked cpu on a non-OC board. But ultimately I let all these ppl get to my head lol what do
Yeah love to see this same thing but with AMD chips
@@Brandon-bc5um I mean, I kind of want to ask at that point then "well if you don't want the better VRMs and want to cheap out on the board, and you don't want to do any overclocking, then why don't you try to save the money on a K sku and just get the non-K instead?"
@XeroShifter See this is my thing, which is that lots of people doing this are just kids wanting to play their favourite triple A game and sometimes the kind of person that goes "I'll give you $200 to overclock my RAM" which sure, there's many advantages to PC gaming, but you eventually just start to go "I mean, you could consider a console, even though they suck." Everyone who builds a machine liek this is going to be using it as a computer for multiple purposes, and people are so damn shortsighted in modern Western culture top to bottom that it's like, even the question of questioning what they may need to use it for in the future never occurs to them. So like, you may be playing PUBG right now, but maybe you'll get into photo editing later. Or maybe you end up needing it to work.
I guess it's hard to explain concisely but just the sense of possibilities is there alongside problems you often don't ask when learning to build. I know it's the least glamourous seeming part (other than, PSU maybe?) but just like the PSU, it shouldn't be completely cheaped out on just because it is "boring" but you don't need to overspend either. I disagree with the logic that "if you didn't ask for this feature you don't need it" mentality because the now isn't later, and if you really want to understand this extreme stay on a Dell or HP prebuilt for years and years on end and then come back and tell me the motherboard doesn't matter. It's just hard when it's kids or old people, or otherwise someone so clueless they can't figure out the right question to ask and it becomes a bit of inference and guesswork.
But yes, generally you don't want to be stuck on a shitty 4pin EPS having, VRM or chipset heatsink lacking, 4 SATA port having, no third PWM pins locked down BIOS'd piece of shit for seemingly endless frustrating years of your life. I said this before and say it again, your motherboard is the one and only component you will likely never replace or upgrade. Even your power supply, might be that someday nVidia releases a 600w drawing literal meme, and you actually have to get a better PSU anyway. You'll likely get a new RAM kit sometime maybe, and you'll probably replace your CPU once and upgrade your GPU twice, on average, but you're probably never going to unscrew that board itself from your case from the very first moment you screw it into your standoffs, and if you ever do, it's just going to be to take the cooler backplate off, so no, I don't think you should cheap out on anywhere from 6 to 10+ years of its (and your) lifetime just to save an extra fifty bucks.
@@pandemicneetbux2110 right now k sku are cheaper than non
@@gormauslander lulz really?
Great test LTT! We appreciate the content!
Love these technical run downs from Anthony.
Love him.
Anthony is a great presenter. I’m really looking forward to another no-frills, bare bones computer build video! My last build pretty much mirrored Anthony’s recommendation, we just need the right products in the market and another video from Anthony!
That's why the view ratios are so low
You should marry him if you love him so much
Anthony is the end-product of the collaboration of a lot of very talented individuals. For that matter, so is Linus. No denigration intended.
This is a great video! Now one for Ryzen 5000 series please 😁😘
I Agree
Agreed, I really don't like Intel! And I like the cost of the AMD chips over the Intel processor price!
Said similar in another comment, I nominate x570 Tomahawk if they do Ryzen.
What's the point? Performance differences will still be minimal probably even moreso.
@@wanderingwobb6300 what's the point in any thorough testing of literally anything?
Would definately like to see if performance varies similarly on AMD systems.
Should be similar in outcome, same principle applied
I wish there's some kinda of to test durability. It's a very important factor for many people (whether they're aware or not), but also very hard to test/simulate
This has been my favorite channel for the past five years. I can literally listen to you guys talk tech all day.
A truly great edited and verry well made video, packed with important information, thanks!!!
Tbh i mainly choose a mother based on "class" as in befitting the CPU and GPU that's going to be installed on it. I usually get the Asus Maximus series but this year I got the Strix series as the Maximus series, even the entry level Hero, had gone up in price quite drastically. Although I do not expect a big difference in getting a more expensive board, but I guess it would be logical to match the board's "class" to the CPU and GPU (13900K + 4090). My main concern is the board's VRM power phase, the latest PCI-E slot and the number of USB ports.
Got a like straight away just from anthonys intro. You are awesome anthony
I know the VRM problem too well. I had an AMD FX6300 until recently, with a crappy $50 Biostar mainboard that couldn't handle the overclock. Had to install an extra cooler blowing at the back of the mainboard.
I love all videos from Anthony, he could explain linux for full 5 hours and i would watch the whole thing in one go.
He _should_ explain Linux for five full hours, then I’d probably learn and understand enough to switch to Linux full time lol.
It's really nice that someone found a use for the 11900K!
I love this guy! His presentations are always so comprehensive!
Anthony delivering great work yet again is a solid way to celebrate Thanksgiving. But yeah, Happy Thanksgiving to everyone who celebrates it.
Happy American Thanksgiving.
(relieved Canadian turkey noises)
Great video as always, dude. You're always clear, concise and can make even harder subjects easily digestible for people who don't even know much of tech.
Thank you I’ve been wondering this forever
I used to go to microcenter in KC. Would bring my iPod and cable and load up songs from the apple displays
Every time I see Anthony host, I get so happy for him. He’s grown so much and is such a key member of LMG.
Beautifully explained, my man Anthony! 👌
Best intro of the year. Love you Anthony
You absolutely should do something like this for every generation or a really motherboard buying guide;)
Shout out to Anthony for being able to explain things like this so well and so simply and not make me feel stupid. Plus the hair is looking especially great!
Deadhead.. Check who is the writer
"Because your system needs only one CPU"
Me and my homies needing dual CPU systems for compiling
Me looking at my dual CPU server I use as a NAS, plex and rendering
me looking at my 4CPU opteron server...
Knock knock! Who's there? It's threadripper!
@@JamesErath my entire 20 core 40 thread 128gb RAM server cost less then a single threadripper chip, so I think I'll stick with it
@@BrumBrumBryn I didn't say it was cheap, just that it exists 🤷🏼♂️
i am interested if this is still the case every year or do they chage over the time?
My ASRock Z370 Extreme4 has been a workhorse for me for years, overclocking my i7-8700K to almost 5 Ghz. No problems overclocking my memory either. Although overclocking was somewhat new to me, I found a youtube video how to set up overclocking for this particular board, and the settings worked like a dream. Never had a crash. At the time, the Z370 was highly recommended plus it came at a great price, well below the competition. Props to ASROCK.
check out hardware unboxed recent testing of motherboards. You wont be so happy with asrock. Older components are another story though.
@@crisnmaryfam7344 thanks for taking the time to make this comment but not telling what's actually wrong with them :D
@@crisnmaryfam7344 The overclocker champ that theyve featured used asrock. I like MSI personally but i've never used asrock
1:12 could've used a thermal pad...
Damn i love Anthony's energy and pun!
These are the kind of videos that keep me hooked up to this channel, keep it up guys.
That segue to the sponsor is smooth. 10/10 🤣
You only need 2 VRM's in alternating phases, just put a zip lock bag of water on top & make sure it doesn't leak. Then it'll cool them off & they can run as fast as they want.
I have the MSI Z590 got it from amazon and it was after studying motherboards extensively. This pretty much confirms my studies. I am very happy to see that the money I spent was well spent. I also use good tower cooling and I just set it to water cooling to boost the PLM. I do sometimes get up to 75c but this is due to my case having terrible airflow. A few things about the MSI mobo he failed to mention:
It supports 2 M.2 Gen 3 and the casings to it's some of the best to keep temps low and they are accompanied by a thick plated thermal pad. A good case will drastically reduce your M.2 temps.
It supports up to 6 SATA AND 2 M.2 making it one of the few cases where you can have up to 8 different storage units without experiencing speed reduction. I use all but 1 of the storage and I can confirm it all works extremely well.
Another perk of the MSI Z590 is it has a built-in surround system, which lets you connect a surround system to its many audio ports on the back. It has a built-in USB C Thunderbolt 3 port that allows you to connect either 4 more USB 3.1 ports, 2 more SSDs, or use an external GPU is you happen to have one. It has tons of uses and few mobos have this built into them.
The main reason people buy a good mobo isn't for the performance boost but for these two things. To be able to use as many storage units as possible and to be able to use NVME without it getting too hot. (NVME are especially susceptible to dying when not properly cooled.) Then it's for the features. The MSI supports 2 ethernet ports, one is realtech and another is Intel both with unique ports, drivers, and functions. You will find the performance of Realtech and Intels ethernet ports to be unique and work differently with different CPUs and routers. It's perfect if you have fiber internet (I do) and want to get the most out of the speeds.
The MSI BIOS was by far the best I ever experienced, very user-friendly, and allows you to change all sorts of things. The MSI Z590 has multiple built-in capacitors that prevent you from burning out your CPU when you OC it. However, as he said nowadays burning out your CPU is far more uncommon.
I disagree with the Asrock, they are basically comparing pure performance, and as you can clearly see most of the mobos were performing almost the exact same. It's about features more than anything and if they did any real form of OC they will find the MSI outperforms by far the other mobos. I think they really missed a lot of key points about how a mobo can affect performance and the usefulness of a MOBO. For instance, you won't ever find a cheap 100$ or less mobo with 2 ethernet ports that work uniquely and 6 SATA and 2 nvme that work all at the same time with no performance drop. None exist. And that is why people spend the extra money for a 150-200$ mobo, to be able to use those extra ports! That's why I replaced my 80$ mobo with 4 SATA ports and 1 nvme for the MSI Z590 with 2 NVME and 6 SATA ports.
I'm very disappointed in this video, they are basically comparing apples to cellary and try to state comparisons that don't even make sense and are completely irrelevant to the situation. People don't buy an NVME for instance to get an FPS boost on their video games, they buy it to reduce load times. However, that is what this video is doing, basically, it's comparing multiple NVMEs to see which gives the greatest FPS boost in video games. Maybe you should make a video like that next? That's sarcasm by the way and I wouldn't be interested at all in a video like that.
Really feel more emphasis should have been paid to VRM temps, especially since you did motherboard testing on an open bench in an air-conned room, best case scenario for them
Never knew the intro is all I need
This is what I said on HUB's comparison of B550 boards when they launched last year: their comparisons using full load with Ryzen 9s were misleading because I daresay majority of people aren't using those CPUs and for vast majority of boards, Ryzen 5/7 will run perfectly fine. There is no need to be concerned about VRM temperatures just because a reviewer said they reached 110C using a Ryzen 9 3990X on Prime95.
Let's go Anthony! It's always great to see him in new videos.
"Brian the electrician"😂😂 So glad I still have my Rotary SS Phase unit from the good old 775/ 1366 days.
They did an older video on game FPS for motherboards. Same stuff as now, but with the bonus that instead of it not really mattering, it actually can sevearly hurt performance if you really cheap out.