AMD B550... worth the compromises over X570?
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- čas přidán 18. 06. 2020
- B550 is here and it's the first motherboard to launch at a time when AM4 is starting to become end of life with regards to the 5 year support promised back in 2016. So should you get a B550 or an X570? Let's talk about it.
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microcenter needs to expand WORLDWIDE.
Yes, in the UK there is literally NOWHERE we can buy computer parts in store,
@@pingutwo6194 Same in the Netherlands, last one that was close to me has closed
Omg yes, would be really grateful for em where I live
@@laatma985 Beste wat je kunt doen is kopen bij Megekko
@@laatma985 I thought MediaMarkt was through a lot of Western Europe? Or that's not the same?
Thanks for holding up my motherboard and laughing at it, Jay.
I feel you, he laughed at yours and shit on mine. (Strix B550-E)
@@OneShotdeathCrew I just got a B550 Tomahawk for a friends build and I couldn't find an x570 board that wasn't the same price or more expensive with the same features the cheaper x570 boards I found lacked many features that the B550 Tomahawk had some of the x570 boards that where around the same price didn't even have built in wifi which is necessary for my friend since he doesn't have any ethernet setup.
I too am pointing and laughing at your motherboard. But only for comedic effect, which isn't supported on cheaper boards.
@@ArmageddonAfterparty IDK my Asrock b450m hdv isn't missing any features that I'm aware of. All those beefed up VRM's on more expensive boards are a bit pointless with AMD since you're not really going to get anything out of an overclock, anyways. It might make sense if I was running an R9 chip for rendering or something, but the 2200G I was originally running in it wasn't ever going to push it to its limits, and even the 3600 + 2070 I've upgraded to over the last couple years had never caused me any problems. The only reason I'm even considering upgrading is because I would like 2 more DIMMs. Even that isn't a deal breaker, I still haven't maxed out the 32gb board limit, and really I'm only considering an upgrade because the plague has resurrected an old internet community from the dead and we want a dedicated game server for minecraft and maybe quake (I also want a dedicated streaming capture box so I can record VR without puking from encoding-induced stutters and latency lol) and I just already have half the parts to build one.
Lmao
Me: *finishes installing b550 mobo and aio cooler and gets on youtube*
Jay: just get a x570
Me: well fuck
Literally me...
I'm switching from Intel to AMD. Not regretting getting my B550-I.
I literally just got a b550 mobo myself
If you saved money you probably did the right thing.
I never think hard enough as to how much wiser it would be to take the savings from parts slightly slower than the best at quite a bit less cost and then buy again in 3 years using the savings, something a lot better whilst having something still worth a higher part of its cost to sell on. I think you can stay better off and more up to date as an average this way with.
I am going to get the zen3 5600x because everyone can only talk about the future as to why the 5800x or 5950x will be better (more cores which aren't yet used properly) with most FPS benchmarks showing 1-2% difference. - Saving $400-500
I am going to get the B550 because whilst I can't find a benchmark comparison, I'm guessing it is in the same ball park.
Saving $100
I will get the 6800 XT radeon because 5% more performance from the 6900XT is not worth 50% more money.
Saving $450
So $1000 odd dollars saving instead of 5-8% more FPS.
In 3-4 years I expect that $1000 will help buy a lot more than 8% more FPS.
Incidentally my reason for going AMD now is that I think there is a lot of logic to the idea that because Xbox/PS5 are both AMD platforms, cross platform developments in the future will give far more natural affinity and time to AMD optimisations.
@SteveNL seeing as i was running an a370 miniatx board, i aint missing shit. probably wouldnt have bothered upgrading if i had a b450 or x470. and before that i was using a z97 mobo with a 4790k. the cpu was nice but the speeds were slow af for everything else
99% of users don't need x570 features. And not everywhere in the world it is priced the same.
I’m confused how does he only have 2 cents but he can afford all these computer parts??
Three words: Stealing from poor.
ez trade ups
The companies lend them parts to review, sometimes they give them for free.
Then for some others they would buy them.
@@dominicfindlay This question did not need an answer..
@@thacoolest13 It did not need your snort either...
As a noob planning on building a PC once the new Nividia gpu’s and Ryzen CPU’s come out, I am feeling very overwhelmed with the hundreds of choices for every part to pick from lol.
Hahaha about the same!
You're likely starting from the wrong spot.
First you figure out everything you need the system to do.
When you're clear on that, the parts you need or don't need become obvious. If you have money left over, you invest that into the parts that you expect to last longest, like the monitor, SSD, or PSU.
Don't invest more into motherboard, GPU or CPU than what you need, as they become outdated very quickly.
When I built a system 6 years ago, I just picked a bunch of parts. Imagine my surprise when I was looking stuff up on CZcams that, out of the thousands of cases and thousands of motherboards, I not only found dozens of videos on the case and hundreds on the motherboard, but 4 on my specific configuration.
Jake Z dude anyway you’d do it for me? So I want to update my pc. I bought prebuilt at the time (I know I’m dumb) w i7-6700k w 1070 graphics card. I want to get the 3080 but idk what to pair it with. I got $1500-2,000 budget. I have a 1440p monitor. If you could tell me cpu mobo and ram that’s be greatly appreciated!
@@a5cent Thats very bad advice. This is why I hate the internet at times.
So I know this is 6 months old but I'm exactly at this moment now. Glad I found this video.
It is a little less relevant now. A lot of the board prices have leveled out. You can find some good deals on B550 and X570 and I find it less overlapping like it was at the time of this video. unless you don't mind stepping down in board series like going to a x570 TUF vs a B550 Strix.
@@chrismcfee6785 what do you mean “board series” ? (Probably a stupid question) I’m building my first pc and still learning all the new lingo
@@jennawesson4619 Im also doing the same thing now... I have to say it is not the best time to build, but ... oh well. I think what he means is motherboard tiers. x570 Tuf is lower tier x570 board and b550 Strix is higher tier b550 board. I think based on what I nead my build for i will go with higher tier B550 because I wont be buying 4 gen m.2 any time soon and my case has place for 5 sata drivers anyways so i dont see whats the point in going for x570 for me. In Europe MSI b550 gaming edge wifi is 165Euro so and the equivalent x570 would be around 200 - MSI x570 Tomahowk or so.... Im building mid range audio/video production pc. Cheers
This perspective is heavily focused on people upgrading motherboards with old cpus. If you are getting the zen 3 cpus, there is no real need to get an x570 as alot of them DO cost more, and the only real benefit you are getting is the dual SLI support which no one uses anymore.
Well this video is over a year old, it's true that B550 was too expensive in the first months it came out.
yeah but the pcie 4.0 gets ignored by you?? which benefits gpus and m.2s alike? also, most midrange B550 costs the same as midrange X570 (Asus tuf gaming for example is now down to 170€ while the strix 550 shown in the video still is 170€....
@@TheBigsam51 This is why I got a B550, I use pcie 3.0 m.2s and one GPU only. Prior to this I had a x570 but when I used the m.2 drives it caused some massive DPC latency issues (possible fabrication fault that screws with pcie 4.0).. so I just replaced it with a B550 due to it being cheaper and me not needing the pcie 4.0 features.
Its the same priceeeer
@@Brakka86 Yeah. I mean, or you could just get a Gigabyte B550 AORUS Elite V2 and have a B550 board which also contains pcie4.0
"There's always a big pissed off crowd somewhere about something." Same.
This is one of my most enjoyable moments in history. AMD loves to boast and over promise. So it is always satisfying to see them get burned time and time again. This is not new either. Been going on for decades for each new release of CPU and GPU.
@@Paul_Sleeping Or any product in general really. Its nothing new when comes to marketing.
Intel fanboy has entered the chat
Truest statement ever
There's probably some guy complaining that he won the 30 million dollar lottery and not the 40 million dollar one
I've been looking around for a bit; this video was tremendously helpful, thank you!
I bought a b550 last week for an APU for the kids. Perfectly fine. Even overclocked the APU graphics and RAM sticks. Was a very nice budget build, for about 600 USD.
This video definitely didn't age well. The X570 boards are now twice the price compared to the B550. Though little improvements have been made to the B550 which most brands are releasing as a V2. It's amazing honestly, in fact, some of those boards are doing better than those X570 on the market. I personally recommend the ROG-F motherboard. Go grab it everyone! ^^
Yep, just been shopping around and was going WTF he's talking about lol.
hey, I just bought that with the 5600x. put a 3070 in it. going nice!
@@billybadass7718 Great choice! The CPU and GPU are a perfect combo for gaming, definitely the sweet spot for you! The motherboard is affordable, looks way to awesome, with some Japan/China vibes, and the audio is just god node!
I personally went with R7 5700X for the extra 2 cores and 4 threads due me doing a lot of productivity work. I personally went with the RTX 3070 Ti because it was only 25 euros more than the regular RTX 3070, if any more expensive then the Ti variant ain't worth getting at all, especially with 4-10% increase, haha.
I've thrown a undervolt with a little overclock on the undervolt and it's almost performing as the Ti variant should've been, but the lack of the VRAM, which is only 8GB, is a disappointment. 10GB would've hit the sweet spot for the card, still not enough, but would've been much better.
I really do not know why I am telling you all this, haha
@@joedaodragon3565 He wasn't, I mean he is now, but with the previous years' cards this has been the case, till the B550 showed up and just straight up destroyed the potential of a X570.
I got the same board but wifi II version, also I pairing it with a 5800x, I want the better ocablity it comes with it plus price was almost the same as a 5700x
Jay, you and Kyle have single-handedly made “learning about PC’s” (eventually building one) a new hobby for me during quarantine. Thanks man!
One of us! One of us!
One of us! One of us!
Funnily enough, 8 years ago it was Paul and Kyle for me since they were the main media guys at Newegg at the time. Now they got their own channels.
Same here
Resistance is futile (though I’m more of a LTT guy)
The B550 was only $95 at Micro Center, therefore I got that instead of paying ~$40 more for an x570. This was my first PC build, completed recently, at the advice of a friend who picked the parts for me.
i did the same and I regret nothing
good advice from the man himself - Thanks! I used to build 100's of machines 20 years ago - not upgraded from my 4970k as yet as its more than fast enough for what I use it for - and am looking at the red team again for a second machine - the last time I run an AMD cpu was when the Thunderbird CPU's were in
interesting points. thanks for taking the time to clear up some questions i had
I don't why I'm watching this. I bought my motherboard and put my computer together already. I'm just addicted to these videos
Same
Love your vids been watching them for a while and can't belive I've never smashed that subscribe button till today!
building a pc first time wooow after watching this video it made it very clear and answered my questions about pcie 4.0 vs 3.0 i was worried about 3080 bottlenecking thank you for the help keep up the good work!
I went with the TUF B550 plus for my build. I've got the 3600X, but I really wanted the option to upgrade to Zen3. So far I'm very happy with the motherboard. I've been using ASUS boards for my builds since the late 90's and I've only had one die. It was an old P4 board, and it died in like 2012. So its not like it didn't get a long life.
First I was debating on b450 and b550, I finally decided on b550 then I came across this video....FML
Really the same for me bro
Just get B550, unless you need the extra PCIe lanes.
Monkey Boy I keep having second thoughts still😂....I might get the Strix b550 though, I really like the Strix line up plus I heard that lower end X570s have issues with VRM overheating, I could be wrong though but the Strix boards are higher level versions from ASUS.
lol I was thinking about B550 Pro4 from Asrock vs X570-p Asus which are very similar in prices... according to the video I should get the X570, makes sense to me, but the b550 looks sexier, f** man.
B550s are beast. Look at the Tomahawk B550
Number of times I've changed the CPU's w/o upping the MOBO: 1 (one), and that was in the 286 era. Usually I wait till new mid-range is a two generation upgrade.
Very informative video, in a roundabout way. Glad I bought an x570 board for my new build. It's a budget build now but I want to be able to upgrade it later.
Thank you for being awesome at explaining. i watch your vids all time and build my own rigs but with everything constantly changing my brain blanks out so its nice to have a refresher :)
8:20 msi stated that you can go back but only with a bios flashback button, boards like the tomahawk have one
they also said that B450 MAX series will support all CPUs without dropping any of the old ones
Is a bios flashback onetime use? Am i able to update the "update" to the updated bios again from which i backed from?
I got b450 tomahawk, i can flash bios with no cpu, only power supply, so i can flash bios back and forth im good. vrm are good too.
@@KipacWF You download whatever bios you want on a usb stick, put it in your computer and press the flashback button on your motherboard while its running. If you dont have a flashback button you need to go into the bios, but that wont open if you installed the wrong bios, you will need a flashback button for that. Is that what you meant?
@@TheDevilishHusky Technically yes but the ROM has to be wiped and formatted in a older file system to be read by the older CPU, this however is not guaranteed.
Thanks, Jay... I was going to buy B450, but you've changed my mind... Thanks for the info👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Funny bit. I bought 2 B550s early in with some struggle vs other boards at the time. Completely satisfied with 3700s. Burned in and benched 21913. It’s nice to see my roll of the die paid off. Even this many months later.
Man I'm loving the knowledge I'm gaining planning out my PC build. X570 Motherboard it is.
I've 'accidentally' made some really good upgrade decisions lately, and buying an X570 board was one of them.
How does that run Zen4 cores then?? whichs gets a new socket.
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@@HermanWillems unless your gonna upgrade everything ddr5 and cpus finna cost a lot
I originally wanted the MSI Tomahawk board for my first build (either X570 or the B550 since the first was unavailable). I ended up getting the Meg X570 ACE because of several gift cards and a store credit with Best Buy which made its price more reasonable. The board is somewhat of an overkill board for what I was looking for, but worth it in the end due to the overall quality.
Hey Jay, love your channel!!
I just built my first pc and I was planning to go matx case and mobo. I bought a B550M Steel Legend and an AMD 3950x. The case I end up buying was a mid tower ATX, so it turns out I could have gone for an ATX mobo. (At the time there was only one x570M option.) Should I keep this setup or is it worth upgrading to an x570? I'm a video editor and although I'm not to familiar with the whole overclocking thing, I feel like it would be a good option to get the best out of my CPU. I'm currently having huge issues with my pc, with crashing, freezing, video issues, while I am editing in Premiere, but that's another story.
Thanks!
I would go for an x570 when youre using a 16core cpu
Great video as always. The MOBO is the only part i still need to put the whole awesome rig together. I saved it for last because of my severe lack of knowledge . Have settled on a couple different x570s or a higher end b550 like the master versions. Over the past two weeks though the price for every single board i have been looking at has skyrocketed. Accross evey retailer too. Ive only been looking for the past three months or so. Is this a regular occurrence? Do the prices fluctuate by more than 30 percent week to week month to month. Im being patient but I have 80 percent of an awesome PC still brand new in boxes and its driving me nuts.
I'm really glad I bought an X570 from the start and avoided all of this. Although I probably wont be upgrading my CPU anytime soon anyway
EXCATLY
I specifically bought an overkill x570 Aorus Elite wifi for my 3600 a month ago so i could upgrade in 12-18 months.
Same 3900x and x570, going to ride that for a long time
But you can when you're ready
Same here. Couldn't pass up the deal I got on my X570.
I upgraded from a 970A (am3+ fx 4300) to a B550 from Asrock and a R5 3600. Quite happy. At the time, the B550 board was a good $50 cheaper than a x570 board with similar features. So that's what I chose. I used that $50 towards going 32gb of ddr4 3200 instead of 16gb.
I was on the fence about the b550, after seeing this video I went with the x570. Thanks for the advise, I love the motherboard!
Jay thank you for making this video! seriously buddy, I have been looking for weeks now for videos and forums explaining this. I'm a new builder in this community and honestly it's been so overwhelming and most of the time confusing to learn all of this, you've immensely simplified motherboards for beginners. deeply appreciate you.
Remember this video is 2 years old. Since then the 550 boards have come way down in price and if his prediction of failing bios upgrades for the 5000 series never happened. Now you can find a ton of newer videos praising the 550 boards.
yeah, i would not trust this video now
Beginner builders should not worry about this. The choice is obvious.
Im scared by that Jayz message: One Way Trip!
DUDE........... WE REALLY REALLY LOVE IT...Especially me. Some times i just autoplay your videos instead of listening to music...while cooking. LOL
Honestly i never know that i love I.T knowledge and stuffs. Now, i'm only 2 months old in the world of I.T and gaming pc builds, but i learn alot from you guys. Life is good, mate
Ikr. It has only been 2 weeks for me and now I can’t stop myself. My head hurts man I think I’ve overclocked my brain😂.
Ty I needed this vid
thank you! my CyberPower PC from Costco came with X570 mobo and wifi-6
i recently replayed monkey island "you fight like a dairy Farmer!" "how appropriate - you fight like a cow!".. love the first 3 games
All the KSP inclusions are what really make this video worth watching! :D
Thank you for this information
I'll tell you one reason for the 550: The lack of chipset fan! I recently did a "silent" build with a Be Quiet! case, power supply, and cooler. They're almost completely silent and due to me having 3 fans on the Dark Rock Pro 4 they all spin at low RPMs and my Ryzen 3950x stays super cool even when working hard. Well I'll tell you I Certainly hear that X570 motherboard PCH fan whirring away at 2800 rpm! It looks like such a little fan doesn't it? Being a recording studio and doing audio production and need a quiet pc.
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Also in the studio business we tend to use our PCs 8 years or more because it takes alot of work to get a stable system with all the plugins and hardware you need. Then that exact system is required to re-open old projects. A moving part like an extra and tiny fan is the death of that system. It will probably wear out first and is not easily replaced like a case fan. Besides the quietness and quality of the Be Quiet! stuff I bought them (especially the cooler) because the fan's lifespan is 300,000 hours. The Chipset fan is only 60,000 and with it going 2800 rpm all the time It's probably less. It's basically a time limit on that system, and creates extra noise to boot. Gamers and enthusiasts don't want an 8 year old system. Studio people might buy a newer computer but still keep their old systems around and functioning, to re-enact old projects, use old software and hardware when they need to. As well as my newer stuff I sometimes still use my year 2000 G4 macbook because it's the only thing that will run certain programs.
I wouldn't buy the dated 450 or 470 because we keep systems so long. I would buy the newer because it gives that much more longevity, and future upgrade-ability. The B550 also has two M.2 slots where the 450 only has one and it's too close to the CPU. I'd rather the major heat source be as far as possible from my working system data which is worth much more than the computer to me.
Acting like the chipset fan is a 3,000db jet engine, priceless.
@@RedPillBroadcast when using condenser mics it is.
@@Illsky9 You are so right. But also when you do mastering mixing kind of workflow:many different fans having different frequency profiles are literally preventing the work. Other thing is medical case called tinnitus. If you happen to have extremely sensitive ears the two or more uncontrolled fans exite it quite soon. I have pot for the fan speed of CPU cooler and PSU is near silent style. Setting up sensitive analyzer mic and checking out what is the level of background noise and more importantly being aware what is the noise's frequency profile can make wonders by revealing culprits. Db meters are useless(or bad joke) in such audio recording studio context.
"compromises" except 90% of everyone here won't actually be compromising anything over just getting a b450 board for 80-100 bucks.
Discussion was a little all over the place, but the gist was: buy X570, unless you find a really good deal on B550, and are okay with the compromises that chipset makes. Buying a B450 board at this point is just nuts, unless you're building a bottom dollar budget PC, and don't care about being able to upgrade it later because it's so cheap.
Chris Pratt I spent 80 bucks on my b450 3 months ago for my ryzen 3700x and couldn’t be happier.
PCIe 4 doesn't matter now, but it will have some effect 3-4 years down the line... but a lot of people would replace their PC before that point anyway, so for them there's no point in getting a B550 unless they're putting a Ryzen 9 in it and have a really good cooler which would make a 4-phase VRM the limiting factor to performance. Basically, I mostly agree with you, but I think it would be more like 20-30% of people who would benefit from a B550 over a B450. Still not the majority though.
@@nathangamble125 Even a 2080ti doesn't saturate pci-e 3.0 8x except in very specific synthetic loads where you are purposely trying to bottleneck it, so other than storage and like 40 gig lan over a 1x slot you won't need pci-e 4.0 for like 14 more years given an average gpu cycle of 2 years and that is still only if you are running the top tier card ie your 80ti's. We only get 15-25% performance increases per generation of gpu's. Most people won't even saturate pci-e 2.0 16x by that time, realistically most people have low or end or on board graphics and even most gamers are running mid tier hardware at best, from my experience and what I have heard from others, never seen a ryzen board that wasn't discount trash have a bad vrm solution, bad vrm's on motherboards has been a thing of the past for like 10 years now unless you are buying shady no name brand 30 dollar motherboards. Also don't knock a 4 phase vrm asus and msi have come out with some really good 4 phase power delivery designs, mind you using top tier vrm's. chokes and caps, that being said I've seen shit 12+4 vrm's in the past. Most of what I just said is ofc irrelevant in the enterprise space but that isn't the target demo for these products.
The problem for b450 is the BIOS update, JTC already said that BIOS update is dangerous and has a potential to brick your entirely mobo if you don't do it properly. For enthusiast, that's not a problem, but for a normal consumer, it's actually quite risky. So my suggestion is the same as JTC, buy x570 if you want to buy ryzen 4000 series later, buy b550 if you manage to find a very good deal, and just buy b450 if you are okay with a dead chipset and just want to buy a budget PC and not really care about upgradeability.
It’s some straight bs trying to build a pc now , thanks for explaining some of the madness
You just gotta buy the latest eveeything and it cant go wrong
@@justincoltharp9701 IF you get the latest parts anywhere for a almost fair pricetag...
Situation didnt got better since then.
Now you COULD get long standing performance - but NOT for the advertised pricetag - wich kills the price/power ratio.
I got the B550 last month, because I upgraded my RAM and the B550 was the cheapest motherboard supporting the old sticks. I've done other upgrades too and I'm basically building a spare PC from the old parts which I can then sell to a friend at a huge discount.
@JayzTwoCents
Hey man, gotta question, im currently using Gigabyte aorus pro with F10 bios + Ryzen 5900x, is it worth upgrading to F11 (latest) BIOS version ? And are there any advantages in preformacne ??
AMD fans: This is the last generation of CPUs launched on the AM4 platform, if you buy a 500 series motherboard, you'll only use it for 1 generation if you wanna get the Ryzen 6000 when it comes up.
Intel fans: First time?
I’ll be running a 5900x for 3-5 years easily.
@@aqueous5099 hey, what mobo will you be getting for 5900x? I am building a pc with 5900x, 3080 for programming/gaming. Super confused about what mobo to get. I was considering crosshair viii hero but that's 550 usd here. there are cheaper b550 boards that cost around 250 usd(after taxes) but I am not sure if I should settle with a b550. I want decent number of usb 3.2 ports and good onboard audio.
@@IshanJain Auros Master is like $340something. Rog Strix E is $300. MSI tomahawk is $220. MSI Unify is $300. All great boards for x570. Asrock Taichi $300 . Everything else is over priced or not worth buying. Asus Tuf is $180 and it's a good board for getting into X570 but lacks the criteria mentioned and the other boards mentioned are much better. Any will do. If you feel extra there are $700 mobos if that's your thing, and they'll give you what you want. Watch "Hardware Unboxed" or "Gamers Nexus" videos about the boards. They give the most in depth reviews out of all the hardware. "Gamers Nexus" gives you every little detail about everything.
@@mattevans1643 Heyy, Thanks for responding. Aorus master is the one I am considering now(Just waiting on cpu/gpu before I place the order for motherboard). It seems like a really good board but the only thing bugging me with it is the cold boot issue. MSI is not really an option since they have horrible service experience, Same for asrock. I have not yet looked into boards from asus other than crosshair viii hero. Considering that crosshair viii hero(non wifi) is more expensive compared to aorus master here, Aorus master makes more sense.
Dark hero will probably be like 600 usd here and I don't really think it's worth that much. I am waiting on someone to demonstrate the auto oc feature on that board.
Hey Jayz, with the uocoming Ryzen APUs and the lack of GPU stock has pushed me to make you this question, and i hope you can reply.
wich whould be the best motherboard to overclock the integrated Graphics of an APU?
should i go with the ryzen APU or should i go with the new intel plataform? wich one can be pushed more and wich whould give me more bang for my buck.
Thanks in advance, i hope you see this.
Just swapped my B550-E for a crosshair VIII Dark Hero. Went from (as kind of a computer building noob) getting really stressed out, struggling to get my ram to run anywhere near its advertised speed while, being able to actually boot, to now (with this new motherboard) just changing one setting in BIOS and it working perfectly fine first time.
By the way supply is going, I'll be getting my B550 Tomahawk delivered by the time Zen 5 is just about to be released.
PS: I ordered my B550 Tomahawk for 180 euro, but went as low as 170 (it's up to 189 now as they're clearly having supply problems). A X570 Tomahawk at its cheapest is 250 euro here. So the financial difference is there, at least over here.
It kinda pains me to see Americans go "what?! an X570 Tomahawk is only 200 dollars here, why would I spend 180 on an B550", as you're clearly getting an awesome deal on the X570's, rather than being shafted on the B550's, so of course you should go X570.
Us Europeans really get it hard when it comes to PC Parts. It's all overpriced here, and getting it from the US Slaps us with import fees and taxes.
Here is Morocco Africa it is worse than that. B450 Tomahawk MAX cost near 200USD. B550 version still unavailable and X570 version also not available but listed at 350USD
I wanted to build an itx just cause I had the case and had to get my wife the msi b450i so I could have my b450i asrock mobo back because everything is out of stock. My psu is on back order for another 2 weeks and I been waiting 2 weeks already haha
You don't need to go tomahawk x570. Gigabytes Aorus elite x570 and asus tuf x570 are the recommended x570 boards around that price point. Tomahawk is overpriced here too
Even in your area I would be willing to bet there are better boards on x570 than b550 price wise
I have bought 3 x570 gigabyte aorus elites at three different times at three different stores for $160 each. They regularly go on sale, at least when stock is intact. Now the b550 aorus elite is $160. It is completely absurd. IMO nobody should be buying a computer right now unless it is an emergency.
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“I like to see the second card”
Which begs the question.
Where are the RGB dummy Video Cards?
We already have dummy RGB Ram.
Easy $130 to selll a RGB sync’ed second card.
Stupid? Hell yes.
But it’s more RGB covering empty PCIe
Or pci-e reservoirs. Could read temp, control pump, rgbs etc
That would be a good money grab idea. Honestly perhaps add in build in features like a comment to your comment said - real time temps and such.
Kickstarter that shit
there are RGB gpu supports floating around on amazon now. they take up two pcie slots below the gpu, prevent sag, and get super glowwy with rainbow puke.
How many people are going to buy a $400 GPU and a $130 dummy GPU? They would just buy the $500 better GPU instead. The idea would probably sell, but it would need to be a cheap addition or else only the top % of builders would bother.
6:11 Question about that chart. I have a x470 board, Vega 64 and 2nd gen 2700X and was wanting to get an x570 board and keep my cpu/gpu for now. Is the row for the 2000 series with Radeon Graphics referring to integrated or any Radeon gpu's? I'm unsure if everything would be compatible after swapping to the X570.
so should i just wait till like mid next year? or so ? I want to be able to upgrade cpu's but that doesnt really seem realistic long run with the b550 or x570? unless i didnt really understand the video and also will ddr4 be around still or is the new norm going to be ddr5?
Good to see you running ads for Microcenter. Seriously amazing company. Best return policy too.
Hey Jay, when you get the rtx 30 series cards can you do a test to see if it saturates the pci-e lanes on a B450 board?
What do you mean by saturate?
This does not need to be tested. Most gpus are x16 pcie 3.0 but operate at x8 pcie 3.0 of not x4 with the rest for power delivery
Jay just to remind you. the ASUS ROG Strix B550-F Gaming is 169$ at Amazon. and the ASUS ROG Strix X570-F Gaming is 308$. almost double the price for very little gain.
read the other comments and look at how old this video is. at the time, there was barely a price difference between the 2
Yeah I bought my X570 when it was 119. Now it's 318!!!
@@bobbydouglas310 yeah. I know. prices have changed a lot since the video was made. not to mention GPUs lol.
I love the new 5800X with my ASUS X470. I upgraded from 2700X. The reason I did not upgrade the motherboard is Win10 licensing and I would need a new EKWB motherboard monoblock with a new motherboard if one exists for an x570 and the bundle is less than $500, cpu alone is $429 from microcenter. BIOS upgrade was quick and easy and I up and running with a nice faster CPU!! My Radeon VII doesn’t use PCIE4.0 so good there.
Hey Jay, watching all your videos the past month. Phil, yourself and all the people we do not see much in those vids are gems in this world. Simple, fun and addictive content ! Thanks many times!
3:03 fellow "Boomer" here. Secret of Monkey Island: CD-ROM for DOS, THE game that became the reason I'm a PC gamer today
Jay's not a boomer though, he's Gen X and somehow got brainwashed.
@@bothellkenmore all gen X's are as stupid as boomers though, they just let their apathy disguise it
I was going to say to Benjamin, that's pretty high class having it on CD, I'm sure I played it from floppy disks, unless you're talking one of the sequels.
@@knifeyonline Ya Joe, the original standalone game did come on a set of floppy disks that only found out about later in my life when I also discovered the sequels. The "high class" 486DX family PC with 256MB hard drive, windows 3.11, and a cd-rom drive I first grew up with, came with a cd-rom program bundle too. I remember the disc itself that had the 1st Secret of Money Island, also had other multiple games/programs/demos on it and I had to first learn the basic DOS commands to access it. Looking back it was pretty nice since the full game ran straight off the disc without having to install it to the hard drive too.
Jayz great video! Question, between buying a Ryzen 5600x (six cores) or for maybe the same amount an 3700 or 3800x (8 cores). What do you think. I know the advantages of the new Zen arquitecture. Thanks a lot!
Thanks for this review. After GREAT deliberation and research I just upgraded mine and my wife's MSI Z170A Gaming M7's with intel i5 6600K CPUs, to MSI MPG X570 Gaming pro Carbon/wifi w/Ryzen 7 5700G and 32GB Crucial Balistix 3200 ram. Oh yeah and a clean install of Windows 11. Absolutely no regrets! These AMD Ryzen's rocks intel imho.
I had debated the whole "G" processor thingy, to get the "G" or not. SOOOO glad I got the "G". I have our GeForce GTX 970 GAMING 4G Golden Edition's connected to DisplayPort on a Samsung 32" Odyssey G5, and the integrated X570 and cpu Vega 8 graphics connected to HDMI. Absolutely sweet for alt tabbing out of all our Blizzard games. Made a lot of rash and informed decisions watching JayzTwoCents. Keep up the reviews Jayz!
Man I could really do with a Microcenter in the UK...
But you have Playtech though:P
Would like one here in the Philippines.
You have gilmore haha
It's called Scan here lol
I'm lucky to have a Micro Center less than 10 minutes from my house 😁
*reads title*
No, I already have the board, don't make me change my mind about it.
Welcome to how I feel. Built by first pc with the gigabyte X570 aorus elite WiFi a little more than 2 weeks ago and now these new motherboards come out. This video is going to question my choice if I watch it, but I’ll still watch it 😅
Kyle Fossier x570 is the best option so nothing to regret. B550 is the ripoff not x570
@@Winter_huntsman
You made a good choice with that board!
Suffering from success
I just got the x570 rog strix mini itx. It looks dope! Glad I got it over the b550 haha
Yep im with Kevin, I just upgraded to a R5 5600X and a b550, im very happy with the setup but would have liked to know then that the x570 was the better deal I just hope the next iteration will be compatible with my R5 5600X and I can get 5-7 years out of my upgrade because by then I will be almost 70 and probably too old to game lol thanks for your content Jay its very enlightening :-)
hahaha my pc is Ryzen 5 5600x + 16gb ram + rtx 3060. Ssd nvme Samsung 980 pro.
Thanks, CZcams for putting this in my recommended now, AFTER I already bought my B550 mobo
Same
Bought a combo this January B450 F gaming and 3700x and to be fair being my first build in over 10 years is adequate for me for another 5 from this point it's gorgeous and I love it. Be happy with whatever you can afford and don't feel too bad about these videos these guys are always pushing for the best and highest when really the average works and works really well now and for years to come :)
I did the same thing months ago 🤦🏻♂️. I thought the b550 was better since it had newer WiFi ax and BT 5.0 compared to some of the x570’s I was looking at at the time.
@Unknown Civilian really? How is that? Asking cause I have no clue.
"How appropriate. You fight like a cow!" Playing the whole series, or just the first one?
I am rubber, you are glue
Still confused over what to splash the cash on, every month I wait something else gets announced
Welcome to the Computing World. This always happens. When you do splash the cash somewhere, you can almost guarantee next month something big and shiny is coming out or you could have saved $XXX. Save your money, keep an eye out for deals, don't sweat the small stuff. These days in particular, I'd say figure out what your budget is, save the money up front, then shop. If you have to buy things piecemeal, you're likely to run into buying stuff that you wish you hadn't and you either have to buy the component again, or be locked into something you don't want now. Good luck.
IT industry moves really fast. U gotta be up to date.
look for good deals and splash the cash on what you need right now not what tomorrow might bring.
pick the 1 that can at least stay relevan (upgradeable) in the next 2-4years
Which CPU do you plan on using and what do you hope to do?
Hey Jay wow holy cow. I just found you subscribed and liked etc. I am so green and new at all of this. Long story short I want to build a good PC for strictly targeted at Photoshop and Lightroom. Found a lot of good articles lotta good videos out there etc. I’ve locked in on a ADM and the Ryzen chips etc. But it’s also confusing as you made it quite clear in this video. I only grasp about 5% of what you were talking about but what I did understand is that you know your stuff. So without asking you to build it for me, I think I want a 570 board? I think I’d like the M.2?PCIe? drives.
One for OS and programs. One for working drive. One just for photoshop scratch drive.
I think I want all three PCIe for the speed. I think I want the Ryzen 7 3800 x.
What do you think?
Thanks
Seems like it comes down to if you want pcie 4.0 for more devices (NVME/video/etc) and more usb 3/3.1 ports. Honestly if you are never going to upgrade your storage and don't have a bunch of usb 3.1 devices you can get either a cheap b550 board or go with a more deluxe model. Personally I always add more storage is seams so being able add more pcie 4.0 nvme storage is going to be in the future. Prices are a bit odd as he mentioned as the big price difference is between standard/low end boards and deluxe mega boards. It still comes down to actual slots.
One thing to consider that I have noticed also is better boards (b550 or x570) has built in nvme heat spreaders many with fans. Something to think about for extended nvme performance which may make the extra costs worth it anyways.
Been running an overclocked 3950x at 4.3Ghz on a ASUS B550 TUF GAMING Plus no problem. This board runs fine 🙂. Point is they can do anything you ask them just fine stock or overclocked. I guess people believe the X570 boards are better, but B550 boards will get the job done as well.
Did you take VRM temps when you OC?
I’ll go b550. I’m upgrading my z77 mb FINALLY after 8 years. And the reason it took me so long was because it was working perfectly fine with all my games and high-end professional programs. Future proofing is just a marketing scheme and completely not true unless you’re enthusiast who absolutely positively must have the latest and greatest. If you’re an every day every man user who just needs to get shit done and wants to have fun along the way, b550 it up and be happy.
This is what I think too. I'm going in a similar situation as you. Someone speculated, that after a generation or two of cpu's, the AM4 socket will get old anyway. So I really doubt there is any point in investing a double price in X570 instead of B550. Hmm...
asus P8B75-M for 10 years ! Finally upgrading now as well,.. went for the b550 as well :)
This helped me a lot Jay, I just got a second hand Ryzen 5 2600 and couldn’t understand why a B550 wouldn’t be compatible, in just gonna order a x570 now. You’re the man.
Thanks for the charts. Definitely cleared up some confusion.
Conclusion : X570 over B550(When they are close in pricing)
Yeah I'm definitely going with B550. B550m Aurus pro goes for 125 euros while an x570 equivalant would cost me about 200 euros.
@@franklinnartz1381 it might be worth the extra money for something that would most likely last longer
@@franklinnartz1381 where is 125?
Lucas En Foco there’s a b550 mobo for 125 on newegg
@@Memelord4dayz am4 will die by around this/next year, zen 3 (ryzen 4000 series) is the last cpu lineup for am4, because am5 would want to have ddr5
Getting the Scooby-Doo reference makes me feel old.
I got it because of Wayne's World ^^
This video is fun, looked in the back-mirror when i am looking on upgrading a 1700 to a used 3800x on the X370 to be able to run Windows 11, when 59xx CPU's are supported on the X370 chipset
I’m actually wondering what would be the best for me. Going from x299 and a 5930k (thank you psu). Looking for 5900x and what motherboard should I pair with it
"There's always a big pissed-off crowd somewhere about something." -JayzTwoCents 2020
Please, make an engraving of that for your merch, I want this sentence to hang in my room written in stone. Or aluminium...
Still rocking my x470 gaming plus, I'll give it to my younger sister when am4 is out of support,
And at that time im going to build a new pc with new generation parts
Thank
Thank?
Thank!
Hello, very informative video !
I have updated bios on my ASROCK TAICHI X470 board to run my new Ryzen 7 5700x + MSI Gaming Trio X RTX3090.
Question 1: What performance and features am i missing from a x570 mainboard ?
I replaced my old G.skills DDR4 3000 Mhz with new G.Skills Ripjaw DDR4 4400Mhz.
The XMP is bootloop so the maximum i am allowed to run this ram is set manually at 4133Mhz as if i set it higher, it bootloops and resets it to 2666Mhz. I noticed that CL latencies on that frequency are automatically set to alot higher than the specifications of the ram stick.
Question 2: if i get a new x570 mainboard, will my ram work at 4400Mhz with its correct cl latencies ?
Any advice would be appreciated !
Thank you all for reading :)
I just finished a build a few days ago with a Ryzen 9 5900x and a TUF 3090 OC on a ROG STRIX B550-F (no wifi). 2x NVME SSDs installed, looks very clean and no issues at all so far with the board pre or post build. I don't think there is that much to fret about between the two.
Well I just got a ROG STRIX B550-E gaming for €200 in europe. The ROG STRIX X570-E board costs 50% more (almost €300). I'm putting a build together with a 5600X, RTX 3070, 32GB ddr4 3600 ram and a crucial P5 SSD. There's a gen 4 PCI slot for the GPU which is fine, also one of the m2 slots is gen 4 which I don't even need since the P5 is gen 3.
Spending an extra €100 for something that probably won't change performance in any noticeable way for me seems pointless tbh.
Hey Jayz, thanks for putting this video up and helping us make the right decision. With all due respect, I think this video has too many distracting anecdotes and sidetracks a bit in a few places which makes it hard to follow without a clear structure. I think the point at 9:31 should be made much earlier. Aiming to provide some feedback instead of being overly critical, take care guys
Ya I agree. It's not a very good video. Lot of rambling and sidetracking
So if this is the general consensus, should we see mobo manufacturers rethinking their prices for B550?
Problem is, #1) it's "new", so there's that premium, #2) this is probably the first video coverage about the compromises the b550 boards have that's came out, and "with everyone waiting so long for it to come out", they're already selling out at their current prices because of panic buyers, and #3) few people actually do enough researching this kind of stuff before just jumping head first into buyer's remorse (which is _exactly_ what caused the backlash of Zen3 support for b450/70).
But the actual "answer" to your question is "yes, they should", but it's unlikely to happen because of those 3 things...
Imagine what'd take place if the next iPhone came out and it absolutely sucked... All those droves of people that just "have to have the lastest and greatest", only to run face-first into a brick wall... You think the b450/70 backlash was bad... 😅
The first ones out of the gate are mostly high end versions. We're now getting budget X570 boards in the market, and I'd expect to see the same eventually with B550. Either way B450 is dead in the water at this point.
This isn't the general consensus for people who know what they're talking about.
Let's hope they don't increase x570 prices
@@chrisdpratt not even close. B450 is still a nice chipset. Unless we see some groundbreaking performance pcie 3.0 vs 4.0. B450 chipset is still gonna be alive.
I just got the x570 today, can't wait to use it!
As someone who is building his first computer since 05/06, you really helped me out of a pickle.
whats your cpu
@@jjolatunji3225 AMD Ryzen 5 3600X
I thought the B550 Tomahawk was going to be $179? Being comparable to my $360 Aorus Master X570, that beefy VRM cooling solution looks like a great deal on the B550
Thanks J...figured that out a while ago when I saw X570 and B550 were roughly the same price. The only downside to a X570 is you may have to flash the BIOS before you install Ryzen 5600X. I bought a X570 that can be flashed without RAM and a CPU via a USB thumb drive. Super easy and up and running on the cheap. Don't spend extra on a X570 that can be overclocked as 5600X has no headrooom.
Hi. I noticed the x570 motherboard had only one video (HDMI) port. Most mobos (both Intel & AMD) I saw before had HDMI+DVI+VGA, permitting up to 3 monitors. Is there a way I can have a dual display (I might plan a 3rd soon) on this board? I was hoping that the onboard GPU has sufficient muscle to support 3 monitors at best.
since jay put some ksp clips in his vid, I thought it might be a good time to ask, does anyone know if its worth upgrading from a 3600 to a 5800x for the single core performance and does anyone know if my ksp frames will increase significantly to warrant the upgrade?
-Note about PCI-E 4.0, I think we will reach a point on PC where you'll need a PCI-E 4.0 SSD before a PCI-E 4.0 GPU for optimal performance on games due to PS5 and Xbox Series X/S using said PCI-E 4.0 SSDs.
-Especially in the PS5's case, games that are released on only it then ported to PC, or have optimized for the PS5's SSD will gain massive loading/world LOD improvements via having said PCI-E 4.0 SSD vs a SATA SSD, or an Average NVME 3.0 (Average 3.0 goes around 1-2GB/s read/write, PCI-E 4.0's lowest is 4.5 GB/s Read/Write on the Corsair, which is not the one you should buy due to that, and it's the price being higher than 5gb/s read-write drives like the saberent rocket PCI-E 4.0)
-And based on current performsnce projections, and how the TITAN RTX does push to saturate a PCI-E 3.0 8x slot, I wouldn't be surprised if Ampere and Navi 2's strongest flavors push PCI-E 3.0 to near-full saturation, which means the next-generation cards likely would start going to PCI-E 4.0 at the high end.
-And that's not even considering cases like the RX 5500XT having its memory hamstrung by PCI-E bandwidth (likely by its own internal bus, but the case is still one that should be noted), which we likely could see occur even with Ampere and Navi 2 before the raw GPU Cores hit 3.0 16x saturation.
who cares you know 90% of people are too broke to get the latest high end
I'm very wary to upgrade anything not knowing how the new consoles will force spec requirements up, I have a feelings SSD may become required. Although, the more I think about it the more I don't think the companies will alienate 90%+ of the market requiring those very high spec parts like 4.0 nvme ssd. They still have to optimize and keep joe blow down the street in mind with 8gb ram and crappy quadcore cpu and regular hdd lol. I have a ryzen 1700 and rather than blow a lot of money on an x570/b550 I opted for an el cheapo asus b450 for $77 bucks and called it a day, I'm not chasing overclocking world records or anything, never even needed to OC my cpu
@@SolidSnake4Ever2003 well it's either optimize for Next Gen and bring PC to that standard, or we get less PC ports.
Why develop for an outdated standard if you have a much better and more reliable one right there.
Here's my perspective on that: enjoy the low prices for the b450 and don't worry about the new amd processors because the rig you have will be OK for gaming for a long time.
Exactly !
B450 still gets benefits of zen3 minus the PCIe 4.
Very interesting in the Netherlands my b550 board was 90 euros and a similar x570 board was 160 euros so i think the place where u are matters a lot
i went for strix b550 E, as it has great vrms, no active cooling, usb 3.2 c header for my phantecs case and 2.5gb networking. I have no cards other than graphics card. It came with nice stickers (not tacky) and a keyring.
I have a b550 and i love it! enough said at least it was available :)
@MOSES CASIOUS MOHALE i have a msi b550. it has 2 argb headers that allow you to use there mystic light software to control anything plugged into it. it also has 2 additional ones called rainbow headers. i havent used them or looked into them but i imagine its just gonna give anything hooked into them the rainbow effect.
3:03
I'm 19 and I've played monkey Island since I was a kid. Don't worry Jay you're still cool
Hi Meister! I discover your channel and i love it. i have a question. Does matter if i put ( in a ASUS ROG STRIX X570-E Gaming) a m2 pci4 on the top an a 1050 ti (pcie3) together? Will i the board make the communication with the m2 slower?
Greeting from Germany
No
Hi, i like your videos ! By the way, can you please tell me if i have x570-A PRO, and if i buy 4k monitor which has only DP 1.4a and hdmi 2.1, is it possible to get output of 144 hz or frames in game anyhow or im stuck at 60 hz ? Thanks a lot, continue great work, your videos helped me a lot !
btw monitor is 144 hz
10:28 and what if I just got into building a pc and I have a b550 mini itx motherboard to go with 3700x. I think I’ll be good for the time being anyways.