Driving Home for Christmas and the wind is howling! How bad can it be?
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- čas přidán 25. 01. 2024
- A few days before Christmas 2023, and I'm driving home. Its blowing a gale - which means more energy use. Roads and chargers will be busy - how busy?
Its been Traffic Chaos earlier in the day and to add to the fun my route home gets closed after I set off. And its snowing heavily at home!
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3 minutes in and selling us "Slower is better". I'd rather be there earlier.
Of course, I respect you for going at your pace, which takes more time.
Just drove 800 km with one relaxed half-hour stop, so yes, that is faster,
and the German car is relaxed at high speed. Merry Christmas.
On some trips I am against the clock - speed is needed! But its more stressful driving like that, so I prefer to chill out where I can.
You'd clearly booked all the chargers; hired the roads to keep them empty and had hidden police escorts to get you through the traffic! 😆Ha. Brilliant. It never ceases to amaze me how far in miles Scotland's far coastlines really are from the Midlands. Good video 👍🏻
Or if if was an ICE vehicle you would have just filled it before leaving and driven the whole way without ever thinking about fuel and if you did there would have been petrol stations to dive in and out of in a few minutes.
We're in Australia and if we drive West it will be something like 1300 kms just to get to border of the next state and the border is still in the middle of nowhere.
I would have stopped though. I’m not driving 9 hours without a few breaks
@@justgetatesla But your "breaks" are dictated by the need to charge aren't they?
I would rather stop for a few minutes, refuel and then stop where I choose if that's what I want to do.
9 hrs is hardly a long drive either imo.
If I'm driving those distances, and I have many times, I want to get the job done and then stop.
These days I do it when I'm going away in my 4wd camping so sitting at some refuelling location for any length of time is just a waste of time imo.
I'm not seeing the benefits of owning an EV I'm afraid.
@@justgetatesla 2.5 hours is my mental and lower back limit 🤦🏻♂️
No, my breaks are usually dictated by my bladder. Plenty of videos with me sailing past superchargers not needing to stop. Other videos where I have had to stop and am not charging.
I live in Australia and have Tesla Model 3 LR. I also have a 13kW rooftop solar system which paid for itself in 3 1/2 years. As I'm retired I am able to charge my EV from my solar during the day. So far I have driven 4,833 kms and charged it entirely from my solar system with 724 kWh of electricity. During the last couple of years i cut down on my driving due to the high petrol price and only drove about 6,000 km per year. Now, with the Tesla and free electricity I'm likely to drive about 20,000 kms this year.
And why not? Free energy for your car! I would…
Hi mate. Very similar for us here in Perth, WA. We have a BYD Atto 3 and charge using roof top solar. We also have Synergy special EV rate of 8.2c/kWHr 09:00-15:00 or 18c (I think midnight - 06:00) I had a Tesla MY until October too but alas it was written off in an accident.
Another brilliant video, keep it up.
Hello from india. Congrats on winning the test match in hyderabad today. I was sceptical whether bazball would work against the likes of ashwin, jadeja and axar.
Love your style of narration. Unfortunately Tesla has not yet entered india. Hope they come soon. Our government is wooing them and frustrating them simultaneously by not reducing import taxes, to protect homegrown ev car makers like tata and mahindra
Welcome!
I couldn't imagine having to plan a trip to this level of detail. Its like a vegetarian foraging for food at the next restaurant stop when on a road trip.
The planning was mainly because the A1 closed and reopened after I set off. Surely a fuel car would have to also think what to do…?
Such a credible and transparent video. I like the way you fully and clearly detailed the duration of your all your stops, overall journey time, and the cost of charging at each stop. 👏
Thanks! I’m trying to be honest here
Yeah, really transparent and honest... Not.
Ooh please do tell where I am being dishonest
Still waiting…
Really it was misrepresentation by omission, as OP had stated you did not put up any "facts or figures" as evidence.
For example, when you stopped at Edinburgh to charge, your piece to camera was at 19:38 by the clock on screen, and back on road 20:24 by dash clock. So the Charge was approximately 46mins. You could have stated that when editing to be "transparent and honest". And included all stops for charging and costs incurred. But you didn't...
Hi Mate, You are a great advocate for Tesla (and just going for a drive). I'm going to get a Tesla somewhere down the track, no doubt about it. But really, I always was going to.
Go for it!
Hi Ian, great video always interesting to see your trips. I am going to test drive the new Model 3 and a Model Y. I think that the costs to use Tesla superchargers is a big plus point for those times I will need to charge away from home.
I do find that 2.5 - 3 hours is my range and that is well within the EV soa good chance to charge whilst I grab a coffee and snack. Then enough range to continue as next stop will be sooner! (Me not the car)
Absolutely- most people need to stop when the car needs to stop.
The new VW id7 looks very interesting.
I have been driving a Model S now for getting on for 4 years and only once have I had to queue at a supercharger...and that was Scotch Corner. I only queued for 10 minutes, and I only charged for 10 minutes, which was enough to get me to the superchargers at Grantham on my way home. Oh, and I have only found 2 superchargers not working, and I just moved to another one in the line on both occasions and all was fine. The supercharger network is great.
Great? It’s SENSATIONAL!!! As for the Model S it was literally my poster car. Still looks sensational
Hi Ian. Thanks once again for another interesting insight into driving in the UK. I was a Tesla driver until October last year when unfortunately I was in a really bad accident in my 6 month old MY RWD and it was written off. Absolutely no fault of my own. The oncoming driver had just come off shift and had fallen asleep at the wheel of his monster 4X4 with equally monstrous roo bar (bull bar) which impacted my MY at the front right wheel and just demolished the whole side of the car. I was relatively unharmed apart from some bad bruising but I must admit that I now suffer some chronic back pain following the accident. Anyway, I'll likely wait until the new MY Juniper is available before I buy another but I must admit, much as I miss my Tesla, I'm very unsure about the new M3 with no indicator stalks. I'm not sure why Tesla has removed them and don't think I like the alternative. One thing for sure must be improved if I do consider the new MY is the suspension must be more compliant and therefore more comfortable. We have a BYD Atto 3 and that is like floating on air in comparison. Really like the BYD. We've had it for 18 months now and apart from the off-beat interior, I have to say it's almost a perfect ride. My wife in particular just loves it. Anyway, just wanted to ask you if you've noticed the huge amount of media articles regarding EVs recently and putting EVs in such a negative light? The coverage especially on CZcams, seems absolutely relentless as do the comments from the 40 watters re the media sensationalism - dumbass comments saying not to buy an EV as it will catch on fire or if you're in an accident you can't open the doors and you'll be incinerated or there's not enough lithium or the batteries have to be thrown away - THROWN AWAY! - as after 100K miles (160K km) they're of no use any longer - even child labour mining lithium - so far as I'm aware here in Australia we don't use children for lithium mining! What do you think about all the negativity? It really gets to me as I see the other side of things and thoroughly enjoy what we have. Great work anyway mate. Hope you had a wonderful Christmas. Lucien
Thanks for the comments and insight. I think BYD are in the UK now but I can’t recall seeing one yet! As for lunatic comments, oh yes. They are everywhere here. The right wing have absolutely weaponised the debate
Hi Ian, nothing to do with Teslas, other than I'm planning on buying a MY, but could you consider doing a short video about your camera set up and why you choose the various bits? Would you use the same kit again or something different?
That’s an interesting idea! I had no clue about cameras so went with the crowd and bought a GoPro…
How is it ok to use the incar screen and not use a mobile phone
I've heard the Chicago incident was largely to do with ride share drivers, who rent their cars and don't read the manual, who didn't precondition or leave it long enough to warm up on the charger. Also the weather was terrible, lake effect, winds etc. So yes it was the worst possible situation and Tesla should have been there to sort it out IMO. But people in Canada and Alaska were fine. You can lose 15-20% range in sub zero temperatures but batteries won't stop getting better.
Copium?
If it was the cold that was responsible then all these other cold places would have had issues. But they didn’t. So it’s user error as you and I and others have pointed out
@@oldbloke204 yes I'm crying in my cornflakes whilst I buy Tesla shares 😂
@@johans7119 Yeah good move dude.
Just make sure it's not a falling knife.
Personally the over 100k that I haven't spent on a Tesla, solar/batteries is earning us about 5k per year which pays for our electricity and fuel.
Also I haven't had to suffer the scary depreciation that they have as well.
I'm actually quite surprised at how low the depreciation has been on our vehicles really.
Lots going on in the world so tread carefully eh.🤣🤣🤣
@@oldbloke204 I wouldn't buy any car as an investment (maybe classic). I got it because it's a great car to drive with great cutting edge tech (FSD on the motorway today, can't wait for v12) Teslas depreciate because the tech keeps improving and people are upgrading due to aggressive price cuts. Model Y is the best selling car of any kind. 5% return doesn't interest me
Nice video thanks. How good are superchargers? They are awesome reliable and quick. Drove to Belgium and back no problems two charge sessions whilst waiting for the tunnel train and 39% charge when I got home.
Superchargers are largely great
I don’t ever have problems with superchargers. However I believe they will soon be open to all the poor people from the council estates with their milk floats which is quite annoying as they might be overloaded then. What are your thoughts on that?
You are a Snobby person no need for that shame on you
“Poor people from council estates” are as entitled to charge their EV as anyone else
of course but that's not the point. The point is they'll be crowding the Tesla network. Does that not bother you?@@justgetatesla
Precisely if you value your time...
Do you have any issues with auto high beam whilst using autopilot ?
Not really! It’s another issue I read about with other people’s experience which doesn’t seem to be an issue for me
I know the video was basically a blow by blow for us but if that was an ICE vehicle it would have been fill it before leaving and then just drive.
They've just done a comparo video here in Australia between a couple of BMWs doing the trip between Melbourne and Sydney and the results were quite eye opening tbh.
One was an EV and the other the ICE equivalent.
The EV cost more in to charge, and the costs have gone up since for fast charging, took longer due to charging, had issues with finding a charger due to a network outage and cost a lot more to buy.
The takeaway for me, other than paying more for less practicality, was just how efficient the big BMW petrol engined car was tbh.
When I watch any driving videos from the UK is just how thankful I am for where we are and that I can choose when and where I drive these days.
Had I been driving a fuel car there would have been been no video as nobody would watch. What would I have done on the trip? Stressed about traffic and the road closure and the weather. No charging but definitely a fuel / food stop
@@justgetatesla Which sort of shows just how ridiculous all of this EV stuff is imo.
I mean that all of this just isn't an issue with ICE vehicles and hasn't been for a long time now.
I remember my father driving between states back when I was a kid as he was working away for a while.
He had a large V8 sedan as a work vehicle and had to think about stops as he drove through the night.
These days there are 24hr fuel stops all along the route.
Seems we have gone back to the mid late 70's.
Ain't technology great?
When I had the Outlander I had to plan fuel stops (as it had a small fuel tank). I am not paying £££ for fuel when I can pay £ so plan stops at supermarkets. And our petrol car which is used as a spare / dump at the airport car? Have to remember to fuel it as our closed petrol station is 10 miles away and at the times I often fly the fuel stations are closed. Whereas the Tesla charges as I sleep…
@@justgetatesla So it's cheaper if you stop at free chargers that won't stay "free" then?
High speed chargers on the public network cost more than petrol/diesel from what I'm seeing in many places.
If you can charge at home off solar then that will help but can you recoup the cost of the panels, the EV etc?
We live in a very sunny state with a perfect use case for an EV and there's no way we can come out in front when you include the opportunity cost of the additional amount an EV costs.
How much has your Tesla depreciated since you bought it?
Hang on, your “argument” keeps shifting. When did I mention free charging? Free? Back in 2014 they were free, but that’s a decade ago. Tesla superchargers are significantly cheaper than non-Tesla chargers. A demonstrated established fact. Most not Tesla rapids are 79p or more per kWh. Supercharger won’t cost more than 51p and that’s only for a few peak hours - often 31p a kWh. I have done a direct comparison of the same trip in my Tesla vs my previous PHEV and diesel cars in another video. Significantly cheaper in the Tesla.
They you go to depreciation? Please. The most money I ever lost was on a diesel - almost 67% in less than 3 years. The least I ever lost was on the PHEV that replaced the diesel - £500 in 18 months after doubling the mileage. Markets ebb and flow. I genuinely pity the mindset which needs sad argument after sad argument none of which hold up to any scrutiny. You don’t want one? Don’t get one. Why the need to waste your time and my time and everyone else’s time posting the same fact free guff?
Do you ever get anxiety you'll run out of charge if stuck in traffic etc?
Do you ever get range anxiety you'll run out of fuel if stuck in traffic?
When I am sat in traffic the car is consuming minimal energy. Even if the heater was on full and burning a full kilowatt that means 75 hours of heating sat in your queue.
@@justgetatesla Well I'm thinking if i go to Wales which is about 240 miles from me and i get stuck in traffic, are chargers easy to find. In my current car you can do about 400-500 miles on a full tank. I'm looking to get tesla this year, but trying to see if the UK infrastructure is good for electric cars, or should I wait a few more years.
Have a look on Zapmap for where the chargers are. 240 miles is easily doable in my car in the summer, tighter in the winter but no problem with a brief charge en route. Most people have a stop on a 240 miles trip anyway.
Great trip with you ,no issues with your planning and you seem to be confident about your car, I drive an ID5 at present which only done 3000 miles since getting it I am slowly getting my confidence about range anxiety. Any tips about how to plan ahead so I feel comfortable about my trips. By the way I have used a Tesla charger on the non Tesla sites and find them easy to use , what is your take on non Tesla using your network for or against thank you
Use Zap Map to see where the chargers are. Most people get to a point where they have favoured filling stations or service areas on a trip - chargers are no different!
Good video... I am always concerned about running the battery too low due to the long term health. I have a Genesis Electrified G80, (my annual mileage is very low - 3 to 4,000 miles pa) in early Dec, by my standards i did a relatively long trip from London to Paris and back, and in the colder weather 0 deg, i was awa4e how economy suffered with the higher French autoroute speeds of 80 mph i was getting 2.5 miles per kWh, compared to 3.5 for the same trip in the summer. So i arrived at Calais Ionity chargers from Paris with less than 20% and was a little paranoid about letting the batter go that low! Maybe with Tesla they say it doesn't matter to go down to empty...
Ooh G80. I do love Hyundai. And that is a fabulous looking car 👀
My understanding is that it’s fine for long term battery health to use the full capacity of the battery. The only thing to be avoided is storing the batteries long-term at a high or low state of charge (i.e. above 80% or below 20%). It’s fine to charge to 100% if you’re going to be using it the next day or allow it to drop below 20% as long as you charge it as soon as practicable. Also the battery management system (BMS) maintains a buffer top and bottom so 100% isn’t actually 100% and 0% isn’t actually 0%. Charging to 100% occasionally also allows the BMS to balance all the cell voltages across the battery pack to maintain a healthy system. Look out for videos on CZcams featuring battery scientist Dr Euan McTurk who covers this in detail.
Absolutely. I usually run it between 20 and 80% because most trips are much shorter than the battery range. And occasional full charges and run almost flat.
Well, y'know, if you can't afford a Tesla, or even if your lifestyle means you need a hatchback, it ain't that bad.
Same day, in an MG4. OK, not such a long journey, but the MG4 SE SR doesn't have the range of a Tesla. Why did I let myself in for this? Long story, never mind. Really if I don't want to have to charge twice, I HAVE to charge at Penrith. Why? Because any earlier and I won't be able to get enough into the battery to get to my destination, and I ain't going to make it to Kirkby Lonsdale, the next possible charger, on my winter range and with the speed I like to do on the motorway.
But really, the main problem is bloody Tesla. The ideal place to stop for me isn't Penrith, it's Tebay. But guess what, Tebay only has Tesla chargers, and they're not open to non-Teslas. This is seriously not fair. Don't open the chargers if you don't want to, but why the hell aren't there some Gridserves or something for us plebs too? So I'm stuck with Penrith. Which doesn't look good.
Two Instavolts at Booth's supermarket, 150 Kw but rumoured to be shared power. And an old Gridserve installation at the Rheged Discovery Centre with two 50 Kw chargers, both shared power again, three CCS connectors. I'm prepared for the worst.
Pull off the motorway at Penrith, check ZapMap. Booths looks like a bust, both chargers in use and recent "last used" times - that's a queue. (Found out later from a comment on PlugShare that this was due to one guy who sat on one of the chargers for ages - like he was going to Outer Mongolia or something.) But, the Rheged Centre? A free plug, last used 15 minutes ago. Bingo. Even if I don't get that, there isn't a queue. I zipped down to the Rheged Centre PDQ.
I was in luck. As I drove in I saw the free space, nobody had pipped me to it. And even better, it was the charger where the other connector is the CHAdeMO. Unless Mr Leaf shows up, I have this to myself. (There were cars on both the CCS connectors on the other charger.) Reversed up to the charger. tapped my credit card, charger liked the colour of my money and said on you go, plugged the car in, and the charge started instantly. I'd even managed to hit a dry spell in the middle of the torrential downpours that were a feature of the journey.
Really nice coffee shop. Fruit scone with jam and clotted cream. Nice delicatessen, buy something to take to my hosts. Car only does 88 Kw at best and that was just a 50 Kw charger, but I was at 85% within 40 minutes and had enough to get to my destination. Mr Leaf never did show up. (Though when I got back the next driver to turn up had caught on to the shared power issue on the other charger and switched to mine when I unplugged.)
It was actually really relaxing. A huge improvement on the same journey the previous year when I ended up sitting in my Golf parked next to a petrol station shop that was just a Portakabin, eating crisps and (of all things) mini Easter eggs (because all they sold was sweets) while I breathed the fumes from a continuous stream of cars and vans coming and going.
So even if you don't have a Tesla, life can be good.
Thanks for the story! Non Tesla chargers are going in at Tebay SB where the superchargers used to be.
@@justgetatesla I live for the day!
I've noticed that even since I got my car last April, things have got a lot better. I charge at home 95% of the time, but if I do go on a long trip I usually head south on the M74/M6. In winter Tebay is the best stop, in summer probably Forton if I'm going further south (often I'm going to Halifax, as I was at Christmas). But last summer there was bugger-all south of Carlisle. Todhills, Southwaite, Killington Lake, Forton, all just the old Gridserves and nothing at Tebay. So I'm scratching around Booth's supermarkets and Greenlands Farm Shop.
I managed fine though, even in a 51 KWh car. Still, it would be so nice just to pull into a service station and get on with it, as I did at Cherwell Valley and Burton-in-Kendal. Now Southwaite and Forton have been done (yay to the latter!) and I can see it happening in other places too. Fastned have introduced a plug-in-and-walk-off system like Tesla has, and I hear a rumour that Gridserve are looking at doing the same.
It won't be that long before you Tesla guys won't have so much to be superior about! 😁
(I think actually the point of my story was that even without the upgrades the EV trip was still so much nicer than the previous year's in my ICE car, when I also had to do one fuel stop. That's the comparison I'm seeing, more than with the undoubtedly slicker operation Tesla offers.)
Pah. 2014. One rapid charger. At Wetherby. In a 50kW Leaf. With one charging and 2 in the queue ahead of me. Not only was I very late home (Teesside), the guessometer was wrong and I ended up on turtle mode for the last mile home…
@@justgetatesla And we had to walk to school barefoot in the snow, uphill both ways... 😆 😆 😆
luxury...