How far Is Tesla FSD 12.4.3 from being RoboTaxi Ready?
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- čas přidán 23. 08. 2024
- I decided that I wanted to go to the Home Depot after an appointment and I need a car to take me there. I pull out my phone and order a RoboTaxi in the Tesla app.
Well... I would if this was the current capability. What does this idea look like today? Is it possible to have a car just drive you to a destination with FSD 12.4.3 (Full Self Drive) and be safe & comfortable? What will the future of a RoboTaxi fleet hold? Will the promise that YOUR Tesla can be a RoboTaxi be fulfilled? Who the hell knows. Let's take a drive!
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As long as important features are missing robotaxi won’t be around the corner.
FSD needs:
- driving backwards in case of a blocked narrow road
- proper detection of blockages and not driving into construction sites or closed roads
- make room for emergency vehicles
- three point turn for turning around
- handling of areas with levels like lower wacker in Chicago where GPS doesn’t help navigating
- better understanding of signs and texts, lane only for xyz
- rising assertiveness on crossings with heavy traffic to not get stuck or miss turns
The current stage is great for supervision but there is still some way to go for a Taxi.
@@06boot absolutely!
The rumor is they will add reversing in 12.5.
Blockages are still a bit hit or miss, and obviously will require much more training.
Emergency vehicle recognition is also pretty bad currently. It’ll tell me SOMETIMES when it detects emergency lights.
GPS isn’t really necessary to navigate with FSD in a lot of cases. I’ve had it navigate parking garages and similar spaces in Washington DC where there are multiple levels.
Sign recognition is definitely going to be a HW4 thing imo. It still doesn’t read signs very well at all on hw3
And the assertiveness in 12.x is WAY better than it ever was, but 12.4.3 is actually a bit more timid than 12.3.6 IMO.
12.3.6 didn't recognize a flag-man holding a Stop sign. At one specific intersection, it always gets into a left turning lane to go straight. Went into an oncoming traffic lane while turning left. I think, another 6 mos before unsupervised ops.
Your feature listings are well known and Elon has specifically mentioned them. What is more problematic is the inability to respond correctly to hand gestures by police/road crews. Where I live hand Stop/Go signs are not used only hand gestures. I have many drives during road construction/repair season where lack of hand gestures will prevent robotaxi full functionality. Elon has not said anything about this.
@@edhill8568 'Elon specificially mentioned them' means nothing. Over the last 8 years, Elan has made many false statements and projections about FSD. The credibility is simply not there.
@@DerekDavis213it’s hard to predict how long something will take when it comes to AI. They could probably make the car go backwards now or do anything he has said the difference is they wait until they know for a fact it’s safe.
Tell me this, would you want a car with updates you were basically testing to see if it’s safe or not? No. You would want one that’s polished and ready for LEGAL and SAFE use.
Thanks for a fantastic video, thanks for bringing it to us
I wish the government was making a greater effort to work with self driving companies to see what efforts they could make on their end to make our roads more fsd friendly.
We're already massively in debt and piling it on. Such proactive things are unlikely, at least very far ahead. And then you have all the levels of government and whose rules should apply where, etc.
Thanks for a great video! I have FSD 12.3.6 and love it. Using it 99% of the time. Regarding your comments on FSD’s capabilities to read speed signs: I don’t think it is reading it, I think it’s using speed information from the map. I had one issue where the FSD changed the speed from 35 to 40 in a cross section with no speed signs at all. After calling my city they confirmed they made a mistake and corrected it. After an update of the map the FSD worked correctly. So I recommend Tesla drivers to contact their city if you see consistent misbehavior of the FSD. It’s probably the map not the FSD.
I’ve got about 50k FSD miles in my model 3 - so I can say that It is definitely reading the signs. There are many instances where I can prove that it is. It will read the sign for the route and set the limit to the number. Does it for routes 15, 40, and even 11 (but sets it to 10!)
It’s not great. Hopefully they fix it asap.
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that was fun!
Thanks for the straightforward objective commentary. I have a theory (since I don't want to believe that Elon's a liar) that they have a native HW4 version that's much closer to robotaxi than what we can see. But they're struggling to improve FSD on HW3. Perhaps at some point they may need to abandon HW3, though it may trigger a huge class action from the people who thought they'd be able to use their cars with HW3 as robotaxis.
He may offer a free transfer of FSD to anyone who has HW3.
I truly fear that is true. HW3 is definitely showing its limits these days. Still miles above the competition - but it will be a dark day when HW3 is not updated further
But I am still VERY MUCH looking forward to HW4 being unleashed
I did a complete analysis and you're spot on. Hw4 it should happen. The difference in input to hw3 is quite big.
FSD is 99.7% of the way there. But that last 0.3% is going to take a while. 99.9% of my driving is FSD, and it is, quite ironically, the easiest 0.1% that it frequently messes up. On one lane expanding to two, it has a hard time deciding which one and weaves between the two for a few seconds. Safer than most human drivers for sure, but it’s compared against perfection.
A human can drive every day for years without an incident.
FSD cannot even go 1 hour on a challenging route, without *human* *interventions* .
FSD is definitely not 99.7 percent of the way there !
Remote takeover?
@@DerekDavis213I see where you are coming from.
However FSD is much safer than a human driver.
You are correct it still has issues but it has issues because it’s still not ready for level 4 autonomy.
I want you to watch AI driver, view his video on 12.3.6 and compare it to an older version like 11 or 10, it’s gotten a lot better at an accelerated rate.
Now here’s my story.
I do DoorDash and Grubhub for a living in a 2020 model 3 with hardware 3 running 12.3.6 FSD. I drive 1,000 miles per week, the only times I disengage are under these circumstances.
1. I decide to make a pitstop at a gas station coming up
2. Parking lots, it’s just not made for that yet so I disengage to get through them faster
3. Routing with google maps, google maps takes me down a road where it leads to a stop sign with 4 lanes of traffic so it takes ages to get through
4. I want to go over 85 miles per hour
5.pulling into my driveway
That’s it. With the previous version of FSD I am not taking over ever. The car takes me from point A to point B then back to point A for me to wait for a delivery order.
There’s a lot of misinformation out there about FSD and you really can only ever tell how good something is by trying it out yourself, I recommend you go to a Tesla sales store and requesting a FSD demo car and try it for yourself!
This comment was not meant to go against you or fight you, it was simply me saying you’re right it has issues but mostly it’s fine. Keep in mind I live in a small town not a huge city however I have used it in huge city’s.
It’s saved me from 2 wrecks in my time of ownership one of which i didn’t even notice I just thought FSD glitched and drifted out of its lane until I saw the video from my car seeing a distracted driver drifting out of their lane into mine. The car was in my blind spot, that’s not something you usually can prevent.
@@itzblockytvnetwork3549 _However FSD is much safer than a human driver._
Absolutely not true. Rubbish.
A human can drive every day for years without an incident. FSD cannot drive for 1 hour on a challenging route without *human* *interventions* .
@@DerekDavis213you just keep repeating yourself. One hour of driving? Which version? What environment? Time of day? You just keep talking shit without presenting any evidence/information.
It has the “supervised” label for a reason. It’s not fully autonomous yet. Yes, you will have to intervene from time to time, but I’d be willing to bet it scans the environment better than you can sitting in your cage (car).
Often when my destination is a large parking like Home Depot I will pinch the screen to zoom into the parking lot then touch where I want FSD to park and typically FSD will bring you to the pin.
@@edhill8568 I can do that when the parking lot is mapped, but out this way not many are. I can try again with a mapped one though 👍
Good job, good commentary. Thank you for your effort.
Thank you!
I subscribed because of this video 👍 as a Waymo passenger, I am looking forward to the future of this technology 🚔
Thank you!!
@@ChrisLeiter 👍
It was driving a similar speed to other cars - this is more important than posted speed limits for Robotaxi passengers.
I agree to a certain degree. In my neighborhood, the roads are 25 and for the most part - people drive 25-28 MPH, and FSD does as well, but there are a few other 25 MPH zones around where people drive about 30-31 MPH and, that's fine, but without a lead car, FSD is try to go 40+ and that's NOT good because that's ticket territory. If the car is keeping with traffic, the auto speed going above the limit is fine IMO, but when you're alone, the threshold needs to be much lower to avoid those ticket-worthy situations. The auto speed offset is much more reasonable on higher-speed roads, for whatever reason it wants to go way too fast on 25MPH roads specifically.
Well done Good commentary
Thank you!
i am not convinced a robotaxi will need a dedicated vehical. I dont see this becoming a level 5 without some refit.
An empty parking lot makes things very easy, for the simpleminded FSD software. A Level 2 assistant that makes frequent mistakes .
Have you ever used it?
Parking lots haven't been a 'feature' of FSD training models just yet. It just happens to be able to navigate most of them 'okay' because that 'simpleminded' software is actually very advanced.
And yes, it's technically a level 2 system.
I literally just drove a two-hour round trip this morning through about 5 different towns and didn't have to do anything at all. It opened the garage door at my house after I entered my destination and enabled FSD. It then closed the door it as it drove away. Then the car drove to the destination without a single issue, and I selected a parking spot - allowing it to park itself. And then it even parked in my driveway when it got back home.
Try it, you might find how capable it is.
@@ChrisLeiter _Try it, you might find how capable it is._
Your one experience with FSD does not negate over *FIFTY* FSD v12 reviews on CZcams, that shows FSD struggling in busy big cities. For example, NYC, LA, Toronto, Chicage, San Jose Calif. Just to name a few.
This guy posts negative comments on almost all FSD videos (seems to be his hobby), so just ignore it.
@@ramazotto2727 Are you cutting and pasting your attacks on me? I am not a Tesla fanboy, not a Tesla cheerleader.
Good job!
I’m out of Hagerstown as well looking to start doing fsd videos as well
@@Barrymaryland it’s a lot of fun! Enjoy and stay safe!!
My only thing about driverless cars, is that laws in all states need to be made on how to handle ticketing, and at fault for incidents.
@@codewaltgaming there are standards where driverless tech is described and expectations for liability are established. Once a vehicle is at the various Levels of autonomy, the liability will go from the driver (where we are with basically every car now) to the manufacturer. Waymo is an example of driverless tech where the liability is on the operating company. Tesla is still one hundred percent at the responsibility of the driver - if one day in the future they achieve level 5 autonomy, the car/manufacturer would assume liability.
It’s not impossible, but damned hard to get there. And I’m eager to see it.
Number plates?
@@ChrisLeiterIf liability goes to the manufacturer, it will never arrive. The only way to do it is a partnership with an insurance giant to cover the accidents, no matter what
Speed limits should be based on published geospatial polygons ans signage only used as a cross check.
@@philb7942 that would be ideal, but the system needs to able to distinguish between temporary signs, electronic signals, and even various limits based on vehicle type or time of day. Not going to be an easy fix, but I’m sure they’ll figure something out, even if it takes an industry standardization of this type of metadata for autonomy.
@@philb7942 another quick thought: with the coming vehicle-to-fleet communication, this may be solved sooner than we think
Cool
If Robotaxi needs a supervisor to take over, can it be remotely teleoperated by an employee of Tesla? Then the riders can stay in the back seat.
I’m imagining that will definitely be the case.
If that happens, what is missing from the AI part? I guess the operators can only take over when the car is stopped.
All 2024 model y have new hardware 4 cameras
@@Danny_oooh yes, but they are running FSD in HW3 emulation mode - the models haven’t been trained on HW4 yet. That’s what they’re building that new data center at Giga-Austin for 👍🏻
Uh… y'mean… we didn't get a million Tesla robotaxis in 2020…?
yeah, "Elon time" is something else ...
Waiting for my CT was excruciating! Waiting on FSD can be sometimes too, especially in between versions when the newest release is so much better than what you have on your car.
I am getting sick and tired of watching these New - No Name CZcamsrs getting the latest upgrade to FSD that I have been waiting for over 3 upgrades and I have not received .. and I was one of the original subscribers to FSD in 2019. I hope Tesla see this -- !!!!!
I’ve been testing FSD for years 😎👍
You don’t have to watch.
Lol are you commenting this on every video?
Dude, I'm in Europe and bought the FSD many years ago. The best I have is automatic lane change on the highway...
@@BertVanMullemwhy would you buy it if you can't use it? is it your government that says that you cant use FSD?
Many years far from it...
@@EJFJ-Corporation closer and closer with every update 👍🏻
If you want to know if something is RoboTaxi ready, you don't really want to look at a Level-2 driver assist system, you look at Waymo, Cruise or Baidu.
They are among the most advanced driverless vehicle systems and are at least two years ahead of Tesla. Is FSD-Supervised RoboTaxi ready? No, not this year and probably not next either.
Driverless cars have to look at the complete solution, when there is no driver, there is no option for a RoboTaxi to just disengage and have the driver to take over.
The other systems you mentioned, do they work on any road? Do the work in Billings, Baton Rouge and Boone ?
I like the videos where those cars come together on the road and block both directions of traffic, confused on the others confusion.
@@bearlemley Tesla FSD-Supervised does not operate driverless in those environments either.
Take the driver out of the vehicle and then get a license to operate driverless on any road. Then, and only then, can you claim and Musk claim that it is "anywhere".
Driverless cars need a complete solution, FSD-Supervised can't even reverse yet. It has a problem, it disengages and relies on the driver to resolve the problem.
These examples are not typical for the robotaxi challenge. Just TODAY, a teenage girl coming on her bike towards me on her side of the road mis-steered and fell down a few meters right in front of my car in my lane. I slowed down before she fell b/c my 6th sense told me so and I managed to emergency-brake immediately. Nothing happened. A robotaxi may have killed her.
I firmly believe that FSD would have reacted to that situation as well. I've had very interesting interactions with pedestrians and FSD over the last 50k or so miles I've driven the cars with FSD (both our model 3 and model y have FSD, and 'technically' so does the CT, but ... well the software isn't activated yet... 2 weeks amiright?).
I've had FSD intervene in situations where I didn't even see pedestrians, bikers, etc and it was tracking them the whole time. People jumping out from between parked cars, bikers splitting lanes, running red lights and more.
I don't think it will account for EVERY situation, just like we have our own blindspots. But it's getting VERY good, and the data really does speak for itself. Far fewer accidents in the fleet overall, even fewer when on autopilot alone, and a massive decrease when FSD is in use.
Dude, you need to WAKE UP.
Making it (almost) ONE time in a SIMPLE ride does NOT mean it's "almost" ready for a wide area commercial robotaxi business. For one thing, there was LITTLE traffic most of the way.
It needs to handle nearly ALL such scenarios with aplomb. Including difficult roads, heavy traffic and most bad weather. And it needs to be VERY consistent at doing that.
It's MUCH better than it was a few years ago, sure, but until PROVEN otherwise, it still has a LONG way to go. For one thing, it still ignores things in the road too much (not humans, but objects that it would crash into).
And I say this as a long term Tesla stockholder, NOT a Tesla hater. But data is data and performance MATTERS re liability, being good enough re consistency to be profitable, etc. And until it's actually level 5 (if ever), Tesla ALSO needs an uber-like call-in center to help it out when it gets stuck and needs to phone home for help.
And one can see the inconsistency from MANY good, reasonably objective CZcams beta testers who put up good videos for many versions of FSD and many scenarios.
If I were to document all my drives and upload the thousands of hours that I’ve used FSD, it would be ignored. No one would watch it. 90/100 times I use FSD - and that’s across nearly 50,000 miles - it’s fine. No issues. I have been using it for many years now, and across dozens of iterations. 12.4.3 has taken me from home to the center of Washington DC and back without me doing anything at all.
This was a simple ‘wonder if’ video, but if you’d like to see more in-depth videos I’m all for making them, but since highway is still 11.x I don’t want to film any of that because - to be frank - 11.x is horrid in comparison to 12.4.3.
Dude.