I sat in the Battalion Conference room on Kelly Hill at Benning, when 3rd I.D. was still there. The Colonel and the Sgt Major, and the Bn Surgeon opposite me, on the other side of the table. I wanted to advocate for my client a young 11B who had TBI and PTSD and a jacked up right arm. Rather than show any concern about their young Soldier, who they should have sent to Wounded Warrior, the BC opened up with "I lost 6 Soldiers in Iraq. Why should I care about this one?" That is one reason a young Soldier won't re-enlist.
I’m not surprised. Many soldiers especially leaders have egos. Many would say that last sentence. I got so used to it it became the norm and just smiled confidently and didn’t say anything
The moment my medical retirement was finally actioned my entire command flipped from being supportive to hating me with a burning passion - denying any award for 5 years of service - having me work every day for 5 weeks with a broken tailbone (really hard to stand) - having me work every day, full time until my last week of the army and scrambled to clear installation in 5 days - threatening to have every piece of damaged office equipment be charged against me
it's terrifying to know that on another base there's an entire bn w leadership who treats its soldiers with respect and there's no way to be sure whether you go to a shithole or not.
@@speaklowww5747 when I first got to campbell, the gate guard asked what my unit was and when I answered he chuckled and said he was sorry for me. Pretty funny looking back now how much foreshadowing there was
@@Turf-yj9ei they had us write our owns from AGCMs to ARCOMs. Unsurprisingly, one of my co-workers used the opportunity to lie about being deployed to Afghanistan for bump up his ETS award
I didn't tell anybody. I think I just waited for my out-processing orders to come in. I did hear later that my name came up in a meeting and the Battalion commander asked why "this young Sergeant is leaving and can we convince him to stay?" and he was told I was going to go to college by one of my buddies. He replied "well, that's as good a reason as any" and that was that.
When I walked in with my out processing papers they were shocked. I said I told y'all I was getting out. And they said we thought you were just joking. I said for 3 years?
Back in the 80's in Baumholder, Germany, they sent all the NCO's to a seminar at the post theater. Delta Force was there recruiting. We had to sit through 2 hours of their videos showing all the neat stuff they did and a bunch of presentations on enemy weapons and the such. After that, they told us to line up to take a physical fitness test to see if we met their requirements. I raised my hand and asked them why, if we had no want or desire to join them? I got reamed out for 30 minutes in front of everyone on why it was our duty and all real men should beg for a chance like this. I was just some dirt bag e-5 using the Army for my own ends. A total douche bag (his words not mine). After that rant, I informed him, her never answered the question and if I was free to go. He asked why I attended the event. I informed him we were ordered to be there. He told everyone who did not want to be there, they could leave. 95% of the NCO's present stood up to leave. Needless to say, he blew a gasket and ranted and raved as we left. I mean, if Delta had Tanks, then maybe I would of been interested but being a high-class grunt? Nope, not my cup of tea.
I had a commander mention a medical problem that I was having that temporarily prevented me from deploying and claim that I was malingering, despite the fact that I had deployed 7 times before and was the only senior NCO in my unit to do so. He said all of this over the microphone while on stage at a group commander's call in front of hundreds of people.
I was a prior enlisted Marine and as a Lt once overheard some more senior officers referring to junior enlisted as “summer help”. I was disgusted by that. There may be guys that want to come in for a hitch and pursue other things and that’s fine if they honorably serve their contract. Part of your duty is to send them back better than they came in. I was in at a time when good junior Marines couldn’t re-enlist or had to cross deck to a short MOS due to drawdowns. That was probably first time I actually questioned our Semper Fi motto or our “once a Marine, always a Marine” slogan. Unfortunately for some, those are just words. Probably their same approach to their oath of office.
That actually disgusts me and makes me want to join the military even less. Thanks for sharing. I would unfortunately expect that talk from a corporate office job with interns, but not the military.
I've often wondered what is is like to be in your unit. Especially your senior leaders. Are they happy because you generally bring a lot of positive PR to the Army as whole? Or do they get really angry when you say the quiet part out loud?
Was an M249 gunner and hated sitting around "trying" to clean it for 8 hours in the bay after an exercise. Learned how to disassemble it further so it could actually be cleaned. 1SG came in one day and flipped out, rightfully so as I wasn't supposed to disassemble it that far, just standing there screaming while I reassemble it. Alright, learned my lesson, I won't do that ever again. Almost laughed out loud when they offer me armorer school as a re-enlistment bonus. Like, nah, I don't do that anymore, bye.
First unit I deployed with, I went to Iraq. I had the best opinion of the Marine Corps at that time. I had a good command that took care of its Marines and Corpsmen. I get back and volunteered to join the MEU. It was a complete 180 on my view of the Corps. I will sum it up with a conversation I had with my SSgt. when he wanted to convince me to reenlist while in a combat zone with a $32,000 reenlistment bonus offer, he reminded that that unit might have put a bad taste in my mouth but there was always a unit out there worse than the one I was in. I replied that I was afraid to find out what unit that might be.
I did 15 years of service in the Army (11b,13m,92a) with three different units. I am so happy through all that time I never ran into toxic leadership like this, like so many other have.
My toxic leader was the last person I would've talked to in advance about leaving the Army. Hell, his encouraging me to get out might've been my only motivation to stay.
No ETS award for me! Served Honorably. In the field with my terminal leave packet sitting idly on the BN CSM's desk. Me with 2 AGCMs, 2 ARCOMs, CIB....they made sure to let me know they weren't happy about me being in control of my future.
Oddly enough, my 1SG from active duty was the one who made me decide to go to Reserve component instead of all the way out. His reasoning was I'm not going to change your mind, and I know that. But consider reserve or guard....if you do decide that, at least the Army as a whole wont lose you . Our loss would be anothers gain. I ended up going to a guard unit and staying for 13 years.
My out processing was very rushed. 5 days to clear unit and post. My sgtmaj was a massive pos that very clearly got where she was based on EO. She delayed the final "interview" for out processing until the last minute and literally scoffed when i told her where i was going to be working and what my job was. This was over a decade ago and i still work for the same company.
I got pulled out of my ed option to sit in an office and shuffle motor pool around... I remember laughing in rentions face hysterically too, ahhh I made the right choice.
I was a PJ from 89 to 95, and when I said I wasn't going to re-up, they started by repeatedly telling me how much my training had cost the American tax payer, then there was the poor attempts at bribery, followed by them just being openly hateful towards me. At one point, some actually did say, "Well what are you going to do back in the world anyway?", and when I pointed out that PJs have some of the most marketable skills, I could see the realisation hitting them, and I often wonder if I inspired that person to get out lol.
Maybe if somebody had been this nice to me when I was short, I might have re-upped. Wait, maybe somebody was and that's why I didn't... But I think it was a different Army in the early 80s. I pretty much ETS from Korea so I was out of the unit anyway. Got there as a UH-1 crew chief and they just got Blackhawks. Wasn't even given a chance to work in the hanger on the Cobras so I don't think anybody really gave a crap one way or another what I did. But that was fine with me. I'll always have that bit of pride to say I raised my hand and put on the uniform. Can even say I was in the 7th Cav, but the Army just wasn't for me.
In 2003 in what mey have been an entirely different culture within the Army, I decided not to reenlist. There were people who were upset I wasnt staying in, but they weren't upset with me. No one was mad at me personally. No one seemed like they wanted me to fail. What is causing this today? Was I just lucky, or are there preasures on leadership to retain soldiers that didnt exist in the past?
Retention can have a negative impact on their rating when it comes time for the Evaluation reports. Too many soldiers getting out makes them look bad. That paperwork follows them for their entire career.
Lol I loved Ft. Irwin! We deployed to the woods of Missouri most often, so a nice desert free of mud and bugs and ice was a good time. Also, pounding pickets in the sand is far superior to red clay. Plus, I'm from Cali and the air is just different here.
I think you may have talked to some of my old commanders. Life after the Army was very fine. I survived but was treated the last few weeks like a scumbag. The reason I left.
Drill sergeant was upset about me quitting so early in boot camp . Sorry bro, the Christian crusader holy war brainwashing melted off of me . I am just as surprised as you were .
I sat in the Battalion Conference room on Kelly Hill at Benning, when 3rd I.D. was still there. The Colonel and the Sgt Major, and the Bn Surgeon opposite me, on the other side of the table. I wanted to advocate for my client a young 11B who had TBI and PTSD and a jacked up right arm. Rather than show any concern about their young Soldier, who they should have sent to Wounded Warrior, the BC opened up with "I lost 6 Soldiers in Iraq. Why should I care about this one?" That is one reason a young Soldier won't re-enlist.
What happened to said Soldier?
Damn, that's pretty fucked
27A?
You should care because this one is still alive? Holy shit what an absolute garbage dump of a human could say that to a person
I’m not surprised. Many soldiers especially leaders have egos. Many would say that last sentence. I got so used to it it became the norm and just smiled confidently and didn’t say anything
The moment my medical retirement was finally actioned my entire command flipped from being supportive to hating me with a burning passion
- denying any award for 5 years of service
- having me work every day for 5 weeks with a broken tailbone (really hard to stand)
- having me work every day, full time until my last week of the army and scrambled to clear installation in 5 days
- threatening to have every piece of damaged office equipment be charged against me
it's terrifying to know that on another base there's an entire bn w leadership who treats its soldiers with respect and there's no way to be sure whether you go to a shithole or not.
@@speaklowww5747 when I first got to campbell, the gate guard asked what my unit was and when I answered he chuckled and said he was sorry for me. Pretty funny looking back now how much foreshadowing there was
They told me to write my own good conduct medal and I said that's ok I don't need it.
Sounds like a bunch of turds for sure that doesn't know the first thing about leadership.
@@Turf-yj9ei they had us write our owns from AGCMs to ARCOMs. Unsurprisingly, one of my co-workers used the opportunity to lie about being deployed to Afghanistan for bump up his ETS award
I didn't tell anybody. I think I just waited for my out-processing orders to come in. I did hear later that my name came up in a meeting and the Battalion commander asked why "this young Sergeant is leaving and can we convince him to stay?" and he was told I was going to go to college by one of my buddies. He replied "well, that's as good a reason as any" and that was that.
When I walked in with my out processing papers they were shocked. I said I told y'all I was getting out. And they said we thought you were just joking. I said for 3 years?
Back in the 80's in Baumholder, Germany, they sent all the NCO's to a seminar at the post theater. Delta Force was there recruiting. We had to sit through 2 hours of their videos showing all the neat stuff they did and a bunch of presentations on enemy weapons and the such. After that, they told us to line up to take a physical fitness test to see if we met their requirements. I raised my hand and asked them why, if we had no want or desire to join them? I got reamed out for 30 minutes in front of everyone on why it was our duty and all real men should beg for a chance like this. I was just some dirt bag e-5 using the Army for my own ends. A total douche bag (his words not mine). After that rant, I informed him, her never answered the question and if I was free to go. He asked why I attended the event. I informed him we were ordered to be there. He told everyone who did not want to be there, they could leave. 95% of the NCO's present stood up to leave. Needless to say, he blew a gasket and ranted and raved as we left. I mean, if Delta had Tanks, then maybe I would of been interested but being a high-class grunt? Nope, not my cup of tea.
I had to do the same for 3 seperate MARSOC recruitment things. They thought we all went there willingly and were so shocked lol
I had a commander mention a medical problem that I was having that temporarily prevented me from deploying and claim that I was malingering, despite the fact that I had deployed 7 times before and was the only senior NCO in my unit to do so. He said all of this over the microphone while on stage at a group commander's call in front of hundreds of people.
Sounds like another stellar "commander". The only thing it sounds like he showed that day was his incompetence in leadership.
I was a prior enlisted Marine and as a Lt once overheard some more senior officers referring to junior enlisted as “summer help”. I was disgusted by that. There may be guys that want to come in for a hitch and pursue other things and that’s fine if they honorably serve their contract. Part of your duty is to send them back better than they came in. I was in at a time when good junior Marines couldn’t re-enlist or had to cross deck to a short MOS due to drawdowns. That was probably first time I actually questioned our Semper Fi motto or our “once a Marine, always a Marine” slogan. Unfortunately for some, those are just words. Probably their same approach to their oath of office.
That actually disgusts me and makes me want to join the military even less. Thanks for sharing.
I would unfortunately expect that talk from a corporate office job with interns, but not the military.
This makes me legitimately angry, I have actually had multiple conversations like this on my way out and I truly hated my chief
Damn bro, it’s usually the chiefs that are the cool ones 😭 So sorry to hear that
My last chief sucked bad.
I've often wondered what is is like to be in your unit. Especially your senior leaders. Are they happy because you generally bring a lot of positive PR to the Army as whole? Or do they get really angry when you say the quiet part out loud?
Was an M249 gunner and hated sitting around "trying" to clean it for 8 hours in the bay after an exercise. Learned how to disassemble it further so it could actually be cleaned. 1SG came in one day and flipped out, rightfully so as I wasn't supposed to disassemble it that far, just standing there screaming while I reassemble it. Alright, learned my lesson, I won't do that ever again. Almost laughed out loud when they offer me armorer school as a re-enlistment bonus. Like, nah, I don't do that anymore, bye.
First unit I deployed with, I went to Iraq. I had the best opinion of the Marine Corps at that time. I had a good command that took care of its Marines and Corpsmen. I get back and volunteered to join the MEU. It was a complete 180 on my view of the Corps. I will sum it up with a conversation I had with my SSgt. when he wanted to convince me to reenlist while in a combat zone with a $32,000 reenlistment bonus offer, he reminded that that unit might have put a bad taste in my mouth but there was always a unit out there worse than the one I was in. I replied that I was afraid to find out what unit that might be.
I did 15 years of service in the Army (11b,13m,92a) with three different units. I am so happy through all that time I never ran into toxic leadership like this, like so many other have.
My toxic leader was the last person I would've talked to in advance about leaving the Army. Hell, his encouraging me to get out might've been my only motivation to stay.
No ETS award for me! Served Honorably. In the field with my terminal leave packet sitting idly on the BN CSM's desk. Me with 2 AGCMs, 2 ARCOMs, CIB....they made sure to let me know they weren't happy about me being in control of my future.
They told me I could write my own good conduct medal if I wanted and I said that's ok I don't need it
Your remarkable ability to channel my final first sergeant is kinda creeping me out.
Oddly enough, my 1SG from active duty was the one who made me decide to go to Reserve component instead of all the way out. His reasoning was I'm not going to change your mind, and I know that. But consider reserve or guard....if you do decide that, at least the Army as a whole wont lose you . Our loss would be anothers gain. I ended up going to a guard unit and staying for 13 years.
Lol, this was literally my experience in the army. This is why no one wants to join. Or stay in once they’ve been there.
My first unit was like this. My second unit was trying to get me to re-enlist. But also were like "Hey man, gotta go where life takes you".
My out processing was very rushed. 5 days to clear unit and post. My sgtmaj was a massive pos that very clearly got where she was based on EO. She delayed the final "interview" for out processing until the last minute and literally scoffed when i told her where i was going to be working and what my job was. This was over a decade ago and i still work for the same company.
I got in trouble, one time after going indef, and the commander told me, “I would be a greeter st Walmart.” Jokes on him.
“What if your parents die?”
Made me CACKLE
Solid counseling.
Word for word what my commander said to me when my contracted ended
I got pulled out of my ed option to sit in an office and shuffle motor pool around...
I remember laughing in rentions face hysterically too, ahhh I made the right choice.
I took education option, and was still made to teach “waste of time training” (Sgt’s Time Training) every Friday.
This sounds like a good mentor chat. 😅
The threat of NTC wouldn't scare me a bit....I spent three years there.
I was a PJ from 89 to 95, and when I said I wasn't going to re-up, they started by repeatedly telling me how much my training had cost the American tax payer, then there was the poor attempts at bribery, followed by them just being openly hateful towards me. At one point, some actually did say, "Well what are you going to do back in the world anyway?", and when I pointed out that PJs have some of the most marketable skills, I could see the realisation hitting them, and I often wonder if I inspired that person to get out lol.
Maybe if somebody had been this nice to me when I was short, I might have re-upped. Wait, maybe somebody was and that's why I didn't... But I think it was a different Army in the early 80s. I pretty much ETS from Korea so I was out of the unit anyway. Got there as a UH-1 crew chief and they just got Blackhawks. Wasn't even given a chance to work in the hanger on the Cobras so I don't think anybody really gave a crap one way or another what I did. But that was fine with me. I'll always have that bit of pride to say I raised my hand and put on the uniform. Can even say I was in the 7th Cav, but the Army just wasn't for me.
Sounds like my exit interview.
Man, this reminds me of how my last CO acted towards anyone not an officer.
Man I'm glad I got out as the wars were winding down. Mine was just like "Roger ✌"
That's when you realize that the enemy is not who you were told is the enemy.
In 2003 in what mey have been an entirely different culture within the Army, I decided not to reenlist. There were people who were upset I wasnt staying in, but they weren't upset with me. No one was mad at me personally. No one seemed like they wanted me to fail. What is causing this today? Was I just lucky, or are there preasures on leadership to retain soldiers that didnt exist in the past?
Retention can have a negative impact on their rating when it comes time for the Evaluation reports. Too many soldiers getting out makes them look bad. That paperwork follows them for their entire career.
The same quotas existed in 2003. Your unit had simply meet theirs when the time came for you to get out.
Lol I loved Ft. Irwin! We deployed to the woods of Missouri most often, so a nice desert free of mud and bugs and ice was a good time. Also, pounding pickets in the sand is far superior to red clay. Plus, I'm from Cali and the air is just different here.
Kúrva anyádat! Why is it so on point,😂😂😂
The retention NCO says no bonus since I am eleven months outside my ETS date.
I think you may have talked to some of my old commanders. Life after the Army was very fine. I survived but was treated the last few weeks like a scumbag. The reason I left.
this CPT will get an MSM
Ive heard stories of this over the years. Still hard to believe units do this. I just wish them the best and offer to help.
Accurate
Brutal
medicine is not much different to this 🤣🤣🤣
Nice haircut bud. 👍
Maybe it's because I was a piece of shit, but my leaders treated me really well when I was getting out. You know, after the NJP. 😂
Brooooooooo!!!!! Thank you, 🎉
Sorry to be that guy but you misspelled reenlist
Finally, somebody with people skills.
I can’t believe how fast one of this guys young parents passed away? Isn’t anyone else shocked at this occurrence? Lol
You look so young in this one
😂😂😂
Howdy
Drill sergeant was upset about me quitting so early in boot camp . Sorry bro, the Christian crusader holy war brainwashing melted off of me . I am just as surprised as you were .
Thanks for your service hero
@@jacobusredacted3535Sarcasm is heavy in this one. Loving it.
Who the fuck is teaching them to react like that ?
Contempt is product of narcissism. Army, all branches, objectives for O promotion heightened contempt for others by Os and SNCOs.
It’s brainwashing
I love Lebron James.