Andy Burnham reacts to Natalie Elphicke's defection to Labour | LBC analysis
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- čas přidán 7. 05. 2024
- Speaking to Shelagh Fogarty, Mayor of Greater Manchester, Andy Burnham, gives his reaction to Natalie Elphicke defecting to Labour.
Elphicke said the Tories 'have become a byword for incompetence and division' and accused Rishi Sunak of 'broken promises' and scrapping key pledges.
The MP for Dover stressed the key factors for her decision were housing and border security.
It's the second defection to Labour for Rishi Sunak in less than two weeks, after Dan Poulter also quit the party.
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As someone who was born and brought up in a council house, I'm with Mr Burnhan all the way.
Oh you want to house the entire third world in council houses?
@@davidbrown5411 'entire third world' 😂😂😂😂
@@davidbrown5411 By third world, I assume you mean Worlds End Chelsea?
@@davidbrown5411Sunak, Braverman, Patel, Badenock etc.
@davidbrown5411 The British who have been reduced to the 3rd world who are now renting from scumlords.
Even as a big tent party, this defection is a very right wing MP.
So what ….. shows how divided the Tory’s are
Just shows how right wing labour has become.
Labour is a neoliberal party like the Conservatives. Imagine if someone Chinese defected from one communist party to another? That's what's going on here.
@@mysterymaverick1982I think Labour are doing whatever it takes to win the next election. If some principles have to go out the window, so be it.
@@Jonnyonthespot123 I get that but I don't believe that's the only reason. Starmer is a neo-con 🪖 Blair💩 they are like Tory light, sort of a diet Tory, sort of like I can't believe it's not Tory 😂
Right to buy is immoral. Why should public spending be funnelled into private landlords?
A law could be passed that no home sold right to buy could be rented out.
@@adambrickley1119 or sold on, I don't think the public should pay for people to profit off rising land value.
Right to buy needs to be fully scrapped, it’s done untold harm and makes any solution to the housing crisis impossible.
At this rate they’ll be no need for an election!! 😁
The greatest condemnation of British politics you can make is that Andy Burnham is not interested in being Labour leader. He's not perfect, like any human, but he exudes something unimaginable to Starmer and Soonout. Integrity.
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I've felt for years Andy could be a decent PM , it's a shame he doesn't want to go for it
@@adamcunningham6008he’s currently favourite to be next labour leader
@@archie7218 he doesn't seem to want to be regardless of being the "favourite". It's a shame because he just screams being perfect for it but unless he indicates soon he has aspirations it will never happen.
He's the best leader we could have. He's trained under Blair but young enough to escape the controversy in the last yrs. Top bloke
I love Andy Burnham!! 😃🥰 Principally for his work over the Hillsborough Inquiry, but give Mr. Burnham and EVERYTHING that Greater Manchester needs!
Listening to Messrs. Burnham and Khan give their victory speeches at the weekend, they were kind/thoughtful/compassionate/kind. It's been awhile since we heard UK politicians speak like that!
I agree totally with the Mayor of Manchester on this housing matter.
The Scottish government stopped selling the social housing stock in Scotland in 2016.
The Welsh government stopped selling social housing stock in 2019.
Why would a council borrow money to build a council house, when a tenant can buy the council house with a large discount while the council still has to pay the original debt.
Get the tories out
They're joining labour now they're the red Tory party
Aye, Blue Tory exactly the same as Red Tory.
@@user-xc8ir7ng9z Can you actually give one example of that?
User just vote for sunak and stop BS
@@Gary-le7dz Voting for the Tories is voting for less human rights for us all and to be poorer!
Andy Burnham is right about one thing: the whip and having to vote along the party line is anti-democratic. Votes should always be secret and free. (but then he is often right :) )
The Mayor of Greater Manchester there basically admitting that politicians are liars.
She's ERG, the lowest of the low of Brexiteers.
Sir Keir Starmer is a tory... Who would guess...
Exactly she is going to be part of torie ERG campaign even defecting to torie she still going to discuss her right wing talks with sualla
Vincent no your a Tory stop BS
I agree. She is not a Conservative, she is the worst type of Tory. Frankly Starmer is insulting Labour voters by accepting her in the party whilst refusing to return the whip to genuine Labour mps.
Wish we had Andy Burnham over Ben Houchen on Teesside. At least he can count...
Selling something for 10% of it's market value does not mean you can't count there may be other reasons.
@@mikemorris3421Always happy to meet somebody virtually who hasn't been brainwashed by the Mayor's propaganda. Indeed, there could be other reasons - and 47% of us around here (who didn't back BH) would like to know those reasons.
This person was elected as a Tory MP by constituents of that area. It should only be right that those constituents are given the opportunity to vote in a by election to see if they still won’t a Tory MP. When a sitting MP changes party it should be mandatory they give up their seat and stand for reelection for their new party. To make things clear I am not a diehard conservative supporter and would say the same if it was a Labour MP jumping ship to join the Tory’s or Lib Dem’s.
Totally agree. When I vote, I vote for the party the candidate represents not for the person themselves.
That's not how the system is set up, and never has been. Read the small print on your voting slip. You're voting for an *individual* representative. I'm not saying that's right in principal but it's never been the case that your vote is primarily for a party representative - it's for a personal representative.
30p Lee/3 party Lee Anderson was an advocate of this, i.e that defection should trigger a by election. Until he left the Tories for Reform.
Hardly any point in that when a GE must happen in the next 8 months.
@@BobC250 Bob I may be the system but I can guarantee that 99.9% of voters are voting for the party they wish to form a government and not the individual.
90% are decent - no, no, no and no
Bring back Sangita!!!
Disgraceful Lbc !!
@martin Or leave your bedroom and get a girlfriend!
Zzzzzzzzz
Baby killer supporter@@chatham43
@@ImloyaltoScotlandonly
Which Babies ?????
Killed by Who ????
@martin ffs get a life
As a labour member, I was absolutely disgusted how she was allowed into Labour... But I can just about see why Starmer is doing it, doesn't make me comfortable but I can see why. The only saving grace is she is not standing for re election.
Burnham wrong on "right to buy". It either needs to be stopped or doesn't apply until you have been in the property 10 years & max discount reduced. It has inflated house prices & led to the lack of affordable homes for rent.
Has STARMER asked Boris Johnson to join his Labour Party because he will except all right wing politicians but not Jeremy Corbyn
If a former Tory PM defected to Labour it would end the Tory party. No Labour PM would refuse that opportunity regardless of baggage.
@@kevinsmarts9953 Elphicke has value because of her seat. Farage, Johnson, none of these have anything to offer in that regard (and come with far more baggage than an obscure right-winger who, let's be honest, a fair few of those who are now expressing outrage were largely unaware of this morning).
Accept*
He will in due course! The Labour Party was NOT established to accommodate the Tories who ARE fearful of losing their seats at the next General Election, nor disenfranchising the people for whom it was first established
@@chrispalmer7893 Sure, Bojo hasn't got a seat to offer but that would mean he wouldn't join the parliamentary Labour party if he was to join Labour so he'd be a lot easier to accommodate and the impact of a former PM defecting would still crush what's left of the Tories. My point is still valid.
Bring back Sangita.
How do people switch to theoretically different political ideologies? Where’s the common ground?
Graft.......😂
And I'll say to you,Andy, stop patronising the voters !!
She wasn't forced to criticise Labour on social media.
On the subject of getting rid of deregulated buses - I hope he's talking about England when he says "first in the 'country' to get rid of deregulation". Lothian Regional Transport buses have been in public ownership for years and years. Voted best bus service in the UK almost every year!
Liebore have a branch office in Scotland. They have no, zero, zilch, nada Idea about anything in Scotland.
As a Yank, who loves to observe UK politics, because Prime Minister's Questions can be more entertaining than anything on Netflix here are my thoughts. In a first-past-the-post system, the only way you can win is to have as big a coalition as possible. You use the term broad church we use big tent. To my understanding, she is standing down after the ending of this parliament. Having her sit as a Labour MP, even if it's only for a few months, tells lifelong Tory voters that it's okay to vote Labour in this election. And when are dealing with people who have no morals like the Tories, or people who are a direct threat to a democratic system like Donald Trump, sometimes you have to make uncomfortable alliances with people that you would rather avoid in ordinary situations. But unfortunately, those are not the times we're living in.
Which might be the case if it wasn’t for Starmer ejecting anybody to the Left of the Tories out of that big tent/broad church.
Oh yes! Labour must overturn RtB.
Andy Burnham said everything seems to be going backwards seems to be! everything has gone very much backwards. Beggars and homeless on the streets wherever you go, feel proud of the UK, no way, feel shame more like it.
, I was offered my house for 30 grand in the 80s after the poll tax riots I decided not to I want to give it back to social housing I'm still here now I don't regret it one bit and the Tories should have put that money into we stock in but they didn't they pull it into their own pockets that was our money we had been renting and putting that money into these houses
The current LABOUR PARTY has MOVED away from the source from which it was first established and embracing even the far right of the Tory Party. Thus disenfranchising the people who are slightly left of the Labour Party and even dismissing them because of the difference of opinions
RE the building of social housing is absolutely necessary and not allowing them to be bought is the only way to retain the stock.
Nasty party one less in Tory party.
Now joining the red Tory party
And one more nasty in the Red Tory Party.
@@ImloyaltoScotlandonlywelcomed ceremoniously with wide open arms
@@ImloyaltoScotlandonly Scotland under Labour will do as told and there be more Labour MPs up Scotland why snp corruption police called on missing money. Wow. Track record on drug deaths highest in Europe. Nothing to be proud of snp are are the take. That’s why her husband charged and going court. And she run off. As snp know they been taking public money. Wow. If I was Labour I’d take all powers away from Scotland. And remove. Them. Get back in your box. Cos you never getting another vote not under Labour or Tory vote. Lol lol keep dreaming
Someone like Andy Burnham is the leader the UK needs now, but sadly not the one it deserves at the present......😔.
Starmer has scored a spectacular own goal accepting this piece of Tory garbage!!
Mike Tapp must remain in place, with Elphicke standing down come the election. Elphicke was a voracious Brexitter Tory.
She is STANDING down
That's already been confirmed.
Sir Keir Starmer is a tory... Who would have guess..
The right-to-buy buy shouldn't apply to social houses/flats. Building ten-thousand houses should have half of them as social housing and half right-to-buy.
Got a lot of time for Andy Burnham, the man talks COMMON SENSE, has the right ideas and the personality to help implement them. It’s a HUGE LOSS to Labour that he’s not involved (I’d like to see him back in there if it ever becomes a remotely honest party ever again). He walked back into his Mayors role with a massive vote….. He connects jn a way that Starmer NEVER will…
Keir Starmer is taking the party win here. To beat Sunak over head yay! These two ex Tories ARE NOT GOING TO STAND AT THE GE
No, Elphick hasn’t indicated that she’d step down.
Starmer says his Politics is inspired by Thatcher.
@@skunclep1938 I think you’ll find I am CORRECT
@@Dragonsitter you’re right, I sit corrected.
Starmer can go do one - he’ll not be getting my vote
90%??? I've been under a sad illusion for over sixty years...
More people losing their homes now than ever. You need to help working people to keep economy going. None of you are . We need a new government not the current in place . No house of lords. MP who do represent their communities . No second jobs for MP. Some of you lot hold massive letting housing portfolios . There is no interest in saving social housing from any of you
Your barking up the wrong tree if u expect what your saying.sir Kia isn’t interested in any of what I say.
@@Paragon62 give me an example of his interest ? Where were they on excess deaths debates, over 150k signatures yet no MP. None from SNP either
Andy should know as Mayor that it in the coucils remit through the s106 agreements to specify the anount of HA housing of new developments.
Many people in the South are still scratching their heads as to this mysterious county called Greater Manchester is located where Andy has been re-elected to
One of the first things that surprised me when I started work in Manchester in 1976 was the realisation that their opinion of Westminster pretty much matched that of people in Scotland.
I have listened to her, Andy. The words come out of her own mouth. She belongs to the ERG. Im sad he said that about Elphicke. Its seems all mps ard the same aftef all,no principle, sickening
Agree absolutely with Andy, should have been and may still been a leader of the Labour Party.
There are no excuses, Labour have abandoned decency and any political morals.
"Lots of people benefitted from right to buy". Indeed - like the relatively wealthy Angela Rayner, who bought her council house and sold it on the private market for a large profit while thousands of homeless people languish on never ending lists...
Party of the people!
There's a market for buying a home without the right to buy your council house to which we have ALL contributed through OUR taxes
Shelagh Fogarty better not criticise Isreal because she will be for the chop . So much for our Free Press .
Fogarty, journalist? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Both parties of government are one big happy family jumping from one side to other 😂😂😂😂
makes sense Andy! Being a Tory MP can sometimes give people the misleading impression that you're, er... a Tory MP! That's what I call thinking outside the box
This completely disingenuous question is being put to Burnham who clearly had no idea about Elphickes far-right views and Fogerty fails to enlighten him. I bet Elphicke's view on housing is for the private sector as well and completely at odds with what Burnham wants to do in terms of building social housing.
Why headline this interview with the silly Tory MP's defection when mush of it is about the Tory-induced housing crisis - a much bigger issue. Does only gossip get attention?
What a joke labour turning into. thankfully not In government
Nope...she's making sure she's keeping her place on the gravy train!
He's given Elphicke a job overseeing housing I believe.
If Tories, like Elphicke, are now the strange bedfellows of New New Labour, then you have to wonder, where is the choice for the electorate? Our politics is a sham. to quote, Pete Townsend. 'meet the new boss, same as the old boss'!
Why was sangita sacked LBC?
Why do we not Lead Britain's Conversation about...SANGITA??
Sangita- LBC need to make a statement.
No they don't.....she left
What's happened to Sangita - please..No offence to your own show...BUT WHATS HAPPENED TO SANGITA......😔😔😪
Where Is award winning journalist sangita???
She left......accept it
To many foreigners shocking
thatchers diabolical legacy council housing sales unwillingness to rebuild resulting in extortionate racketeering charges for rental properties today.
Can’t believe I’m agreeing with Burnham..
It’s irrelevent how short a time there is before the next general election. During a parliament isn’t it bad enough yet alone undemocratic for MP’s to defect to another party that’s different from the party they were representing at their election?
If Natalie Elphicke was unhappy with the Tory government shouldn’t she have - in proper consultation with her Dover constituency - either resigned her Tory whip, stood as an independent or quit altogether?
However it’s not rocket science to understand why another right wing Tory MP defects to Starmer’s Labour ‘just like that’.
All it says is many right wing Tory MP’s regard Starmer, who via the NEC removed the whip from elected Labour party MP’s like Corbyn and Abbott and even removed the Labour membership of an actual elected North Eastern Labour Mayor Sean O’Driscoll, as being a more reliable right wing leader than their own!
If any MP party defection has to take place at all which would make far more political sense these days it would be Starmer defecting to the Tories via the proper official channels of course.
The current twenty five odd point lead Labour has over the Tories is not down to Starmer’s alleged ‘changed’ Labour Party and its useless aspirational reformist policies.
Isn’t it down solely to the rotten decayed state of 14 years of failed Tory government?
Bring back sangita!
🥱 give it a rest.
@@Cherrytune386 Sangita will return by public demand or L.B.C. may share the same fate as Talk T.V.
@@Cherrytune386
No! give the Palestinian children a rest, and call the Genocidal wickedness out.
She was taken in for one reason only: to wind up the Tories. There's no way she'll stand at the next election. It's a tactical move by Starmer.
And what is wrong with that?
@@nigeltrigger4499 Why ask me?
@@Dingbat-tb5wz Because, you expressed the opinion....
@@nigeltrigger4499 Ok, because I can see you still don't understand, I'll explain it in Noddy language: what did I say that would make you imagine that I think there's something wrong with what Starmer did?
All those people who tell you you're an eedjit? Listen to them.
@@Dingbat-tb5wz I could have put "Nothing wrong with that" but instead chose to pose it as a question. You could have replied with "nothing wrong with that" but instead chose to condescend. Hope you deal with your issues of insecurity soon!
UniParty nonsense.
Wheres Sangita ?
I thought frauds became MPs not vice versa😂
Private landlords are dominating the rental market,we need a government to tell them Rent must only cost what each council charges for each dwelling they own,it's gone where the Rent prices have gone out of control Unaffordable
by design...
The Government is made up of too many landlords. They have a conflict of interest and put their own needs before anyone else's.
One house per family. If they have more than one. Take it off them. No more " housing portfolio" nonsense
In theory great but because of Truss, the mortgages are so high that landlords cannot afford to charge less.
The result would just be empty properties, or those who can afford to buy cash would hoover them all up.
It is not the role or responsibility of private landlords, to provide affordable social housing. That responsibility is the government’s and the government’s alone.
Labour will accept anyone!
Sangita must be reinstated!
Elphicke is simply looking after Number One. In a few months time, when most of her Tory colleagues are in the dole queue, Elphicke will still be in the Westminster gravy train.
Apparently not - no peerage and she doesn't get to stand for Labour in the election. I think it's more visceral - Labour accepted her because of the immediate damage it does to Sunak and a desire to cause that damage seems to be the primary motivation for her.
@@chrispalmer7893 We'll see where she pops up. My guess is she will stand as a candidate for any political party, as long as its a safe seat.
Elphicke led the line, not toe.
Sangita where are you ?
She left
Andy Burnham is proof positive that there ARE some intelligent , genuine politicians out there , who are trying their best for the people . The only thing I disagreed with him about was his mention of the " Westminster bubble " and the role it plays on affecting what comes out of politicians mouths . I understand his comment about Politicians on ALL SIDES having to toe the party line , but surely that's not what politicians should be about ? Rather than safeguard their very safe , very well paid jobs , SURELY it should be about what THEY as individuals think on matters ? We all know what's happened to honour and integrity in politics , but please Mr Burnham DO NOT defend career politicians who toe that same party line ONLY to safeguard themselves .. their incomes .. their lifestyles and their families at the expense of their honesty and integrity towards the people they should feel lucky to serve ... US .
8:19 Is that what that chant is about
As a scotsman intent on wur freedom, I'd have him over Starmer leading the red tories anyday!
Sir Starmer needs to come clean if this right wing m.p was offered a place in the house of Lords to jump ship.
its a given!!
Far too diplomatic an answer re Elphicke from Andy.
Andy Burnham supports keir starmer his answer reflects that
Like a lot of people he’s probably never heard of her to have an opinion
Andy is generous and disingenuous when refers to poor decisions made in the 1980’s. I call it Tory rot.
Build more council houses and end right to buy. It’s common sense ffs!
for any Americans watching, imagine if MTG had just become a Democrat
😂😂
Labour Broadcasting Service
You mean PMQ's? You are not that smart are you....
Where is sangita?
Labour party is Best for UK and keir Starmer is Best for UK PM ❤❤❤
Lack of social housing, fuel poverty, devolving NHS, failing infrastructure and economic stagnation. If only Maggie was here to see all her hard work 😂
Such a hypocrite.. ask him who his broadband provider is these days..
Andy Burnham...shame on you..Labour and Tory values are the same.Values😅😅😅😅
Shelagh the Hut.
She'll probably get a job in a starmer government
And how do you work that one out?
She's not standing in the next GE.
Making the tea|!
Sangita ????
Labour more Tory than the Tories these days .
You mean they have become the Tories the tories pretend to be rather than the extreme right wing nut jobs.
You can't expand on your point because you don't actually know what you are saying!
Where is Sangita?
When you leave your party which you stood for to get your job you should lose your job I live in Dover so my next vote goes to reform as all my family
Reform??? Oh dear
You and your family's votes going in the bin then.
Bring back Sangita the only LBC journalist with true integrity 🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸
@debs And well paid so to do...but she blew it!
@@chatham43 no she will go on to better things because of her integrity. She started at the bbc, then LBC her career has been on the up
He didn't get that tan locally!😊
There’s no crime involved in seeking a sunnier-clime than Manchester, poppet.
Best wishes, by the way.
It’s been hot in Manchester-Burnham is working class -😊went to a local comprehensive
And thats a problem because? Bros a great mayor. There's a reason he's got such a high approval rate
My son lives in Manc. Hes managed to get a tan from working in the garden.
And…….. the point you’re making is?
very reminiscent of oswald mosely joining labour in 1924, had been a tory, then a liberal, and finally labour before creating the blackshirt's, a natural journey towards fascism
@Multi So what's your problem?
An absolute waste of space. Fogerty is useless
Burnham the man that done nothing about the grooming gangs even though he knew what was going on
Your proof of this accusation is?
IDF grooming gangs? Or is that too controversial or playing the expired victim card?
Are these homes for Manchurians, born and breed for generations in one of the greatest City's in England, or are looking to house any old rift raff from foreign lands, whose contribution to to this great City is f all..
Manchuria?
How absurd.
How many multi-generational Mancunians (Manchurians are something very different) can trace their cultural roots pure English origins?
Even the so called "English" are all foreign - Vikings, Saxons.... The Manchurians that you refer to come from North-East Asia.
Careful…your racism is showing-have you any idea how much property has risen under the Tories -thousands of houses up and down the country are not even being lived in-just used for investments-muppet.
@@grahamepigney8565 yeah oh dear what nonsense ...
@@robertcottam8824 bit like u...😂