Do iPads have ANY competition in 2022?
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- čas přidán 9. 05. 2024
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The tablet world is awash with countless options, and yet the iPad is always the one that get recommended by tech publications. Yet, there are people who buy the Android alternatives. So perhaps I'm missing something.
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0:00 Intro
1:30 Google's history with tablets
2:40 Oh! Right... the Samsung.
3:46 Thanks Squarespace!
4:15 Keyboards, multitasking, apps, oh my!
6:02 Dex or Stage Manager
7:30 The future from Google
9:11 The debate rages on - Věda a technologie
crazy how macadress videos don't look like your normal LTT videos. Props on the team here
I prefer the relaxed style.
Each channel has its own style.
They can experiment a lot more easily on the comparatively lesser-viewed channels. Trying something new that ends up ticking off the 400k Mac Address subscribers is a lot less bad for the overall bottom line than ticking off the almost 15 million LTT subscribers, for example.
First few videos I watched I wasn’t even aware that it was part of LMG. Huge fan of this channel.
It’s funny you say that since linus actually directed this one
I feel like "Our tablet can run Instagram in a decent resolution" should be a marketing slogan at this point.
HaHa! It just might work!
i remember using perfectfit to full size screen Instagram.
Now most apps don't work on iOS 9 and the browser is borked since it never got updated to support the newest webkit, ES6/7 thus practically making it useless.
I hope open web advocacy makes apple allow 3rd party browsers, I never thought... I'd say this but I'll take Chromium over no web browser at all.. O.O
@Xyran And....The Xiaomi Pad 5 Pro is only exclusive to China only-
Tab S8's have a built in feature where you can use them as a second display for your windows pc. It's wireless so there are some lag issues but it's still very usable for everyday tasks.
Is it available for the S7 and S6 models?
stability depends on the quality of the wifi. For example in my case, it worked fine on non loaded wifi network
I have iOS and Android and apple and windows OS’s on my computers and I can confirm that this feature does technically exist on Samsung tablets however it is not a native feature of windows, have to setup and install some shit but once it’s done it’s good to go now downsides this is same as it’s upsides. It uses your centralized LAN network off your router. This is both a good thing because it makes it more universal it can even work more machines as long as on same network however downside is this is far more prone to lag spikes, disconnection issues and inherently because of how it’s presented over a shared network has potential to be vulnerable to some man in the middle attack.
Apple’s solution is far more seamless, clever and elegant. Somehow the computer realizes the iPad is next to it in real-time and which side it’s on to auto populate where your screen position is for moving shit to the iPad but also in background hidden it spawns another closed network that the iPad attaches to and is dedicated between the iPad and the mac. All without you touching anything just once the mac realizes the iPad is close enough they somehow bond together over a hidden dedicated network between them and even if don’t use universal access or sidecar or whatever but in the event you do it’s instantly ready because it’s already bonded and no downside to doing it this way for apple. Downside for us however is it’s more locked down and doesn’t work properly without authentic hardware running the OS likely because of some dependencies.
The iPad has Sidecar which works both wired and wireless and has absolutely zero lag, the response time is literally 1ms and quality is pretty much perfect (you need a microscope to notice compression artifacts), and guess what? Apple makes ad-hoc connections so the amazing wireless performance doesn't change on a bad network
@@untitledsurfer8503 side car is good. I use it very often. I’m also heavily invested in the apple ecosystem. But you’re taking rubbish.
Do not say you need a microscope to notice compression artefacts. Is it subtle, sure. Is it so impossible to see that you need a microscope, not even close. The image is strongly compressed using lossy compression. Don’t hyperbolate your points, it makes them seem fake and unrealistic
I used be very anti DEX but after having a few business situations where I needed multiple apps open and didn't have my laptop available while away, I realized how much of a game changers DEX can be. I could have done the same work on my phone or iPad but it would have taken forever with constant swipping.
The keyboard complaints are not relevant if you adjust it to your liking in settings
Because apple user doesn't familiar with customization at that level.
I honestly didn't know anyone typed on the full screen keyboard like it's a laptop. I just use the floating keyboard and swipe type with my thumb. Apple users often seem so picky and ridged that if the smallest thing works differently than they're used to, it means it's garbage.
@@btbarr16 I don’t think that’s Apple users, that’s everyone
You see it in both directions equally, but you notice it more by the competitor because of confirmation bias
Have fun with discontinued software updates after a year 😂
@@osahinmartinez3371 huh? You referring to ipad, Samsung tablets or laptops? Samsung commits to 4 years of updates, apple allows 5-6 years and windows will update so long as your specs support it
Mac Address is honestly such a focused show.
Where LTT is written in a way for mass adoption (not a bad thing), the way this channel feels is like watching the movie “Her”. It not just the mac related stuff. its the script, the presenter, the open feel of the environments. In such a vapid environment of garnering as much views as possible like some fastfood, this feels like one of those niche small italian places that serves like 10 things. Limited selection but whats there is damn near perfect
God I love that movie so much, totally agree!
I'm surprised Brandon is not behind this video's shooting, because it's definitely LTT's experimental filming channel ! 😬
I really feel like this channel captured the feeling I had with some of the earlier LTT reviews where it's scripted with less jokes or at least more subtle and has this subtle casual feel. I'd love to see them combine this style with all the scientific data and the wider variety of devices on LTT. Not to say the current video style is bad but sometimes it feels like its not connected with changing scenes and hosts every few minutes.
did you seriously just compare this to Her or was that supposed to be a joke?
@@danielarmstrong2144 can't wait for the update where we can ERP with Siri
Would've preferred a little more research, you can literally use the Galaxy Tab S7/8 as a secondary display for a Windows device. Also, Dex on a 12"+ screen is genuinely really usable, it's hardly smaller than some laptops
Universal control is not only a secondary display but the ability to keep the iPad as an iPad and still be able to drag and drop files between the 2 devices, depending on the workflow it could be more useful than just having 2 screens for the mac
@@RENX5 aamsung's universal control also allows for drag and drop
@@RodrigoFerreira-bs6hd but are the files saved on the tablet after you've done it or does it work as a second display? What I mean is, you can drag a file from the Mac and drop it on the iPad even if you're not using it as a display (but I don't know if that's the same with Samsung)
@@RENX5 yes. You can drag and drop between two different sustem running their own operating system. This is different from sidecar
@@RodrigoFerreira-bs6hd I see, that's cool then!
There's two big advantages/uses for android tablets that were missed here. You mentioned universal control but completely failed to mention that multiple apps exist to allow your android tablet to be a plugin second monitor for any PC or mac. They can also be used as Bluetooth displays through built in Windows functions, but I think this is less useful than plugging in a single usb-c cable and having a true secondary display that often outperforms most portable displays on the market. You did mention the usefulness of expandable storage but I think you completely skipped on what that can be used for. In my case I use my Galaxy tab S6 lite as a movie storing beast for airplane rides, and general travel. My only other- however more niche gripe- is the lack of emulation options for the iPad without jailbreaking. I think an android tablet with a small Bluetooth controller can replace a Nintendo switch for most people, everything from the Wii downward is easy to emulate and contains a catalog of games that arguably outperform the switch.
Oh and one other thing that I think is completely underrated, the Samsung notes app is legitimately the best note taking app I have ever used, and I say that with great pain usually hating Samsung's design philosophy of tossing every feature at a problem without reason. Their notes app is unrivaled, editing large PDF's with ease, many amazing tools for quick highlighting and shape formatting among other things. And its somehow not bloated- its seriously a gem, if I didn't hate the rest of their software I would use as many of their products as possible to take advantage of the app.
universal control exist, it's called multi control, works with Samsung laptops
Honestly samsung notes my dawg. Like it will be the literal best thing. It works well with so much. And the good part is that you can sideload it on non samsung pcs and sync with samsung tablets. it has the capability to emulate pdfs but also ms word and xcell and also do so much for making the note taking experience seamless among differnet file formats. The stylus support for the software is by far the most fine tuned stylus support on any literally on any software i have ever seen in the whole world. The best of all is that you can integrate it with microsoft365's one note and acess features like live time updates and relaunching instances of the app for using different notes at the same time. I am a student and it is the most excellent and fine software ecosystem for literally free of cost for note taking, to the point that i am willing to use as samsung phones and tablets untill I graduate college. This video did no justice, gave no credit to the single best feature of the galaxy tab: Samsung Notes which is preasent along the whole galaxy tab lineup.
Seriously correct on that Samsung Notes part. I installed it on my Surface because it is just THAT good.
Yeah, this is the MAIN reason why I have a Samsung s8 even tho I have a macbook. I feel limited because if I went for an iPad, the seamless ecosystem would be a fine feature to have, but I REALLY can't write for long using their apple pencil. It's painful.
I think we need to remember that customizability wise android tablets are always going to be better, but this channel is mainly focused for people who want to have their tech working for them, not everyone wants to spend their time learning how to tinker. And believe me, what might be simple to us enthusiasts can be difficult for another person.
True. Just….true. I’ve noticed that out of all of my relatives and family members, I’m the only one tinkering with my phone.
It’s funny that even though a phone is more personal item than most other things we own, we tinker with it the least.
@@renwasaman8840 i'm definitely an enthusiast, but i refuse to tinker with my phone *because* it's so personal. i need this to work 100% of the time flawlessly, i dont care about jailbreaking it or installing beta updates or anything like that
By the way, for 4:31 Samsung introduced a split-keyboard like the one that the Z Fold3 has by default. It's much more comfortable to type on.
Yeah it show how little research he put into this video. I get that this is an applesheep channel but still this wasn't fare to the samsung tab at al.
And it's better in German too😅 3 more letters = 3× the typing comfort...
even before then, Microsoft has Swiftkey which has split keyboards, even on phones.
The keyboard height is also adjustable in the settings btw
Even Gboard has split layout.
BTW Horst, you could actually modify the size of the keyboard in the settings. Not only that, but you could also use the split keyboard UI if you want to!
But that would have required him to do more than 30 seconds of "research" which clearly there was no interest in doing.
@@nickthaskater yep lol 👍
@@nickthaskater He is biased and didn't explore the whole things
@@nickthaskater what did you expect?!
I think the point was to showcase how bad the default behaviour was.
I appreciate Mac Address taking a swing at something like this, but it was pretty clear there needed to be more research involved or someone who knows how to use android os. A good portion of the missed features were just from being locked into the apple ecosystem. ex) "I missed universal control".
if you didn't have and iphone, mac, etc and only had an ipad you wouldn't be able to use that feature either
Tru
Came here to say exactly this. Ipads overall are better for now, but they missed a lot of android ecosystem features that they showcased on the iPad
You can get all apps to auto rotate via Samsung Labs settings and you can choose the aspect ratio you want for them. And Samsung also has their version of universal control called Smartview. Also the Samsung ecosystem between galaxy devices really makes the tab compelling as all your photos, messages and contacts are synced across. Plus you forgot to mention that another huge difference between getting the ipad air and galaxy tab is that the galaxy tab also has the 120hz screen and included s pen with lower latency than the apple pencil going for it as well as much better integration with office 365. The galaxy tab is focused around a different sort of productivity to the iPad.
Their version of Universal Control is called Multi Control, Smart View is a whole other thing.
@Xyran true. the mipad (its original name and i refuse to call it Xiaomi pad) is like a cheaper ipad pro clone
As a secondary gadget Ipad is the best option with its 5 to 7 years of software updates. I doubt any android tablet could reach to that.
@@gordlord6738 the flagship Samsung tablets and phones from 2021 and on were just given 5 years of guaranteed updates
@@gordlord6738 why saying something when you haven't done any research?
A few things to note:
1. Dex is very very very far from perfect and it doesn't work well with their own keyboard cover somehow, different apps behave differently which sucks. But it's a "desktop" mode. In the "touchscreen macbook" video u said yourself desktop interface is for precision input aka a pointer device, but here u are use your fingers and said resizable windows doesn't work. Of course a "computer replacement" without keyboard and mouse doesnt work. Look at tablet mode on windows, its not good.
Another point about dex, though not exclusively through it, is outputing to a large monitor with the correct aspect ratio. Again this and the dex feature itself is not even close to as useful as samsung says, which it should be given dex is 5 years old, but you are not comparing the whole of it to the ipad.
2. For the app orientation part, though again far from perfect and quite hard to find in the settings, there's an option to choose how the app (like Instagram) should behave if it doesn't support landscape mode. It can either fill the whole screen in landscape or show as portrait with large black areas on both sides.
3. The landscape on-screen keyboard is trash but if you are not using a physical keyboard, i dont see anything stopping you to type in portrait mode. Landscape keyboard doesnt make sense on any platform as it just blocks half the screen.
4. Speaking of multiple devices, there is second screen feature which turns your tab into a wireless display, and it works for basically all windows computer. For someone that even considers to buy an android tablet in the first place, instead of ordering an ipad straight from apple, he has a higher chance of using a Windows pc instead of a mac, and doesnt have that much apple device, thus a useful feature. (I am aware of the sidecar and universal control, which are superior, but i think there are features missing in this comparison).
Im not saying Jonathan intentionally makes the samsung a worse tablet, actually although i do own one, i think the ipad is a better choice for most people, apps behave much better, performance is more than 5 years ahead, in general things just work on ipad. But i think as an apple person presumably for a very long time, Johnathan does not adapt to the (unnecessarily) complicated android settings and features very well and hence does not offer a complete comparison.
Honestly I think he made zero effort in researching for the video
Second screen is a blessing while using a windows laptop. I could have my laptop charging on one end of the room while I can continue to work on my tab s7 with full functionality of my laptop. DEX is also really good with a keyboard, I use it during lectures since it's lighter than carrying my laptop while still being very functionality for those purposes. I feel like he's looking into the tab series as an apple person, but as someone who uses PCs and androids all the time, the tab series is honestly really good; it's the bridge connecting the two.
He's supposed to shill apple to appease the sheeps rather than presenting a well researched thesis.
@@7654321220 okay, Fan Boy. If he wanted to he would have claimed that iPads support mouse and keyboard as well. That wasn’t the point. He never said the desktop replacement was made for touch. Yes, he showed it that way because his point of a tablet is the portability and ready for use hardware. Hence the whole coffee shop theme. Would you bring a monitor, mouse and keyboard to a coffee shop? No. And for every other environment a laptop is much more useful anyways. This was also mentioned in the video. Don’t even start about Android vs. windows.
Nothing about this had to do with apple, mate.
Point 2 is how iPhone apps behave on iPads by default. The question would be, why do I ask users to search for settings instead of making it default and give them the option to turn it off?
Point 3 is just a sad excuse. “Just don’t use landscape” shouldn’t be a thing for a platform that claims user freedom as their main selling point.
As someone watching tech videos and writing comments like these you are already light years deeper into the topic than most android users. People that will NEVER go as deep into any settings. Therefore the out of the box experience matters and that’s what this was about.
Love that we have an LTT channel for us frumpy artistic types! The aesthetic is 10/10
They definitely ride that line between classic LTT content and a lifestyle type channel. I'm not going to lie, i was on the fence about Jonathon as a presenter initially. He's become quite the staple and is absolutely killing it. I now find myself really enjoying when he drops in on other LTT Apple content to give his twist on it.
We can really feel your Apple mindset coming through in this one. You make a couple great points, but are still caught up in the "if I don't like it, I just have to deal with it" headspace. No, this is Android, just change it. Don't like the keyboard? Open the settings menu, there's 3 by default. Don't like the screen size? Get the bigger one. If you cover Android again, please make a list of your grievances with the device and google them, there might already be options in the device that you're missing. (this seems to become a thing for lmg covering the tab s8)
LMG seems to be focused on quantity over quality in many of its product reviews. Dunno if it's an outcome of becoming too big or just the pressure of churning lots of videos just to maintain their revenue and contractual obligations with partners.
but macadress isn't just quantity. It sound more like you don't like apple. Android for tablets isn't good right now and you can do less it with it on a production standpoint.
@@PropritacusLP Dunno if your reply was to my comment or to Jakob's. CZcams needs a better way to show that. Assuming you were replying to my comment - I agree that iPads are far superior to Android tablets. My comment was on the quality of LMG videos in general (on the last line by Jakob). I feel that it's slipping in the level of details they miss out on which could be easily added with some extra research.
@@PropritacusLP no matter which one you prefer, it's not an excuse to put incomplete or wrong information out there. And yes, I do not like Apple for the exact reason I put in my comment: If you don't like the way it works, that's it. But that isn't android. There's no reason to bash the keyboard if you could have easily changed it, without installing any apps or anything, it just comes natively with multiple ones preinstalled. Same with the screen size: Don't get the 8 inch version and then complain that the tablet is just 8 inches etc.
@@PropritacusLP That's the Apple fans point of view. Millions of people love Samsung tablets for what the use it for. And from a production standpoint a Windows or Mac is far superior to an iPad
The whole assumption that we must own a MacBook if we have an iPad is ridiculous. I really don’t see any added advantage. Damn, people are really out of touch about other use cases.
Good review but as a user of both OS, I disagree about DEX (not about the using it on the tab itself - agree with that -good points made!). That Sammy tab does display over USB-C, so as a start-up charity owner, rather than spending initial budget building a 2nd PC for our new office to go with the one I use at home, I ended up using my Samsung device as my main workhorse - and surprisingly it worked out quite well! If I'm out and about I'm using my phone as normal, emails, script reading, staff workboard apps etc... when I'm in the office I pop it on a stand on my desk, plug in a single USB-C to my monitor, and I get a desktop with an auto syncing wireless keyboard and mouse... I LOVE my iPad, amd i agree the OS is more "tablet robust" - but honestly I'm only using it more as a wireless monitor for our cine cameras and drones these days plus a bit of gaming (whereas before thats what android was for)...
Yeah, I think he was a bit shortsighted with DeX. He says that the screen is too short to use it, but there's two use cases where that isn't a issue. One, as you said, is tethering to an external monitor and using the tablet as a desktop tower, and two, using it with the new S8 Ultra, which is massive at 14 inches, as big as some notebooks.
He's also basing the DeX review entirely on the S8 base model. When the S8+ and S8 Ultra exist with larger screens available to use DeX on.
The irony of this is that the iPads with M1 APUs could replace a desktop computer entirely since they're essentially using desktop hardware. DEX is exactly what I always envisioned as the future of mobile computing. A simple and intuitive system that switches modes depending on the use case just makes sense. Now that mobile hardware is reaching desktop class performance, it's actually kind of bizarre seeing Apple treat their tablets like second screens rather than actual computers. It's especially ironic considering their "what's a computer" ad from a few years ago. I genuinely believe that Apple should just put MacOS on the iPad and have it run in a tablet mode that's essentially iPadOS until you dock it or choose to enter desktop mode. It would make them invaluable to creatives, incredibly powerful for students, a smart investment for businesses, etc.
Also Riley was reviewing the S8 ULTRA, not the normal Tab S8 so the screen size is SIGNIFICANTLY bigger and Dex makes A LOT more sense.
as a person who actually benefits from using Dex, I love streaming videos to the big screen at the correct aspect ratio. Having a tablet and computer all in one is badass. I can hook a touch screen monitor to Samsung through USBC and get full screen touch screen flawless. Good luck ever doing anything like that with the overpriced under quality IPAD. Enough kissing Apple's ass.
That coffee shop owner was so cool to let you film in their store and also film them making the coffee!!!! :D
I kept wishing he’d take care of his own trash/empty cup! Maybe that’s not a thing in these fancy shops?
@@progenitor_amborella you leave those kind of cups behind on the table.
I think this video needs a sequel. I'm a Tab S7 user, so I don't know how much different the Tab S8 is but I'm guessing not a lot. The Samsung Keyboard comes with split for dual thumb typing for landscape or floating for single finger/pen swipe. If viewing Dex as a supplement rather than a laptop replacement, it makes it pretty compelling.
Dex is just a chromebook when paired with the keyboard folio, or even just a cheap Bluetooth keyboard and mouse. It's great for carrying around campus, typing up a quick email or working on Google docs in a laptop environment and not worrying about battery life at the end of the day. Connecting it to a external monitor is great if you want to do couch gaming with a Bluetooth controller. There aren't a lot of games that do utilize it, but there's one category that does: emulators. I've been running Dolphin and PS2 games off of it, and it's great.
The tablet can also be used as a second screen, whether that be through Samsung's Second Screen functionality or the playstore app SuperDisplay, which works over USB. As it's Andriod, when support eventually does end its not hard to put a custom ROM on it, and I'm hoping someone is able to put Windows on ARM on it like the Xiaomi Mi Pad 5 has been.
Edit - Also, for apps you didn't like the look of like Twitter, why not just use the website? It can be pinned to the homescreen, and works just fine. I understand it should be native, but it's been working alright for my year of use.
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I wish it actually was a Chromebook instead. Chrome OS is a much more versatile OS that allows having a proper Linux environment and using desktop programms. A Chrome OS equivalent to the Surface would be fantastic.
Not long ago my laptop broke down and the repairs would take quite a long time. So I had to use my Tab S6 Lite (their cheapest offering with a stylus) as my main computer, along with a Bluetooth keyboard, while travelling.
I brought this tablet because I wanted to read textbooks and ebooks, and take written notes with the s-pen and for that purpose even the cheapest stylus-tablet they had was nice. As a student i didn't really need more. But i didn't keep much expectations going in.
For writing my lab reports, DeX was Honestly a game changer for me. I had 5 pdfs and two browser tabs open, along with Word, and honest to god I'd have spent two hours longer on the assignment if I was unable to alt-tab between windows or window-snap to edges. DeX has things other than being able to Move and Resize windows, but that alone was the most useful takeaway from my experience then.
For most apps, I did what I do on my PC. There's no good Twitter or Facebook app for desktop so I just use the Browser version.
Between browser websites and resizable windows, I didn't really miss my laptop, or even run into the limitations very often. (Once I got used to the screen size and using the stylus as the mouse)
Exactly this. Why would I even use an app if I have great browser version? I can add it to home screen in browser and it basically behaves like an app, but without it running and the background and collecting whatever data it can from mobile. Who would install twitter as an app on desktop? This is how you actually get to use it as desktop app in tablet UI.
This review is pain to watch. It is like all people at LTT do not consider use cases that people can use tables, because they themselves do not use it at anything else then work with photos, YT, buying stuff and social media. Then again, most people use it like that. :D
@@JournalOfKlowledge I guess there is a reason why they posted this video on a separate channel... there is no way a video with this skewed of a message would have made it through on the main channel. I'm still not sure how this video made it through on this channel, even considering it is an Apple channel, it is extremely painful to watch.
Same! I got the same device to read and annotate pdf files, but also to be able to write without carrying around my beast of a laptop, I absolutely love this tablet! I've doen so much with it: read so many paper, written essays and even drawn maps! All on a student's budget! Best purchase I've made in a while
Dex is nothing like Stage Manager. Dex can basically run any linux application (that supports Arm). It really can be a desktop replacement - focus on desktop, not laptop. Just connect it to a dock with keyboard, mouse and a monitor :)
try that on an IPad, you can also develop natively on Android, so that it could actually be a Laptop replacement for many
DeX does not "run any [ARM] Linux application." It's simply a launcher/UI. You would need something like Termux/Andronix to run Linux apps, which does not require DeX (although DeX enables much nicer scaling on external displays).
@@nickthaskater right, you need apps to run linux applications, but the point is that you can do so. I am very sure that you can't on ipadOS
@@f.b.1665 yea, just saying it's unrelated to DeX. Rather, it's a function of Android itself.
@@nickthaskater My point is, that dex is a great feature which adds even more value to these basic functions of android :)
For me an ipad is not even an option. When I started university a few years back I ended up replacing my old laptop with the tab s5e and it made me completely change my mind on tablets.
The 3 biggest reasons why are:
1. Expandable storage. Dont think I even need to explain this, there is no upside for consumers to not have it.
2. Dex. Having a pc interface just made school so much easier, also having mouse, keyboards, usb sticks and usb c docks just being plug and play is really nice.
3. Proper file managment. I had to transfer files 4 or 5 times a day back then and everything just worked. Apples file manager is the most pathetic one I have ever used, I really dont understand how people can tolerate it.
There is of course more things like proper sideloading but these were the most important ones.
I did recently try a new ipad air but it just didnt work well for my workflow, I dont see myself going back to an ipad again.
A few months before I switched to an Android phone I needed to decide whether to get an iPad or android tablet. I decided to go with the iPad because of all the good things I heard. Fast forward to now and I'm starting to regret that decision. Yes the iPad has good optimized apps but I'm regretting the choice for the same reasons I switched to an Android phone, android has sideloading, customization, and just more apps I'm interested in than the iPad.
@@GenMoviesOfficialHonestly even the Samsungs are better for that. Their aspect ratios are better for content than apps. The Tab S5e, S6, S7+, S8+, and S8 Ultra all have oled screens, which are not as bright as Apple’s but generally have a much more pleasing image imo.
@@UProductions457ipad screen sucks they should just provide OLED screens
I'm pretty sure most of the features you say are "not available" on the Android tablet have an app to enable that feature. That's the power of Android, having free apps (or cheap) for pretty much everything you need.
Universal control = Multi control. Airdrop = quick share, Sidecar = Second screen (but third party apps are better than either). Twitter has a perfectly optmized PWA app he does not know about, etc.
@@_Digitalguy PWA lmao
@@GianniLeonhart works great
And even the samsung keyboard have floating and split mode that work better than the apple one, he is just and ifan who try to review samsung tab without looking for any information about it or how to use it , I currently using a tab s7 plus and I swear he have the worse review video about the tab s8
@@killl6883 really wouldn't be surprised that if the 120hz came unselected he wouldn't even know that the screen had it. Ppl used to the limiting apple OS's don't even look at settings anymore.
I think you missed the full concept of Dex. Dex works with wired or wireless streaming to a TV or monitor, making it a true Android desktop.
The big issue with Dex is lack of compatible apps.
Yeah it was a bit painful to watch him use a touch screen then complain it didn't work well, a bit of a disappointing video for me, which is a first for this channel.
Compatible apps? I use DeX literally every day. I don't recall the last time I encountered an app that wasn't compatible.
@@nickthaskater I haven't used Dex in nearly a year, since fall or maybe early winter. Hopefully they have finally gotten developers to start adding it in, but I have literally over a hundred apps on my Galaxy S21, and of the 50+ apps that I've tried last year, or previously on my S9, maybe half even launched in Dex mode, and not all of them with full support, even a few Samsung apps not supported, at least fully.
As of last year, Samsung apps were okay on Dex, but mostly productivity apps and some browsers beyond that, but it sounds like I'll have to start playing around with it again.
Some points.
1. Keyboard has multiple ways to use it. Personally I use writing to type. But majority use split keyboard.
2. With calculating devices, add the cost of the s pen. Which comes in the box.
3. Multi Control is a thing. Started in 2015 as SideSync, it is just Universal Control.
Here comes the ramble... This is not an apples to apples comparison, pun intended. Let's take the PREVIOUS gen iPad air 4, 600 dollars with 64gb and 4gb of ram and NO celular options available and compare it with the also PREVIOUS gen Samsung Tab S7. iPad has 60hz display and Samsung has 120hz, 4gb ram vs 8gb ram Samsung, 64gb of storage vs 128 samsung, 4 speakers on Samsung vs 2 and the air... That's head to head, now let's talk about the things Tab S7 has that Air 4 doesn't: Included and more capable S pen, fingerprint unlock, Storage expansion with SD card, celular option included at no extra price, Dex mode extends the display, on air 4 it mirrors it, only in the new M1 iPad it also extends it. Also, S7 is Always on sale, you can get it for 400 bucks, even less... If you want the S7 Plus it comes with an AMOLED display, there are ZERO ipads with AMOLED...So yeah, competition is here, that's not even an argument in most people's minds, but in America Apple has SO much market share people like your father can't even consider getting an Android tablet without being some abnormal thing for you... I'm not trying to hate here, just get some perspective...
And if all those hardware, quality of life improvements and price differences can be overlooked by and Apple fanboy in order for him to choose the iPad, maybe it's reasonable to understand Android guys overlooking an app not being available or not opening in the right orientation for all those benefits.
Been a long time android user and i was using the samsung tab s3 before. It’s main advantage during the ipads of its time is the pen is freaking free! Android might lack good drawing apps that time but there are some that was very good. Its cheaper, has an sd card slot, screen is really good compared to the ipads during its run.
What more when dex came to the tablets. Its use case isn’t really for having to window every app but to actually get a desktop experience. Doing office work while in dex mode is really a big difference from its usual tablet mode. Lighter and more portable than a laptop so i kind of ditched my laptop then.
Dont get me wrong, ipads are great and I would recommend it first before an android tablet because its just much simpler to use and has a better app ecosystem (and they probably have an iphone or macbook anyway) but for an android and windows user, android tab is just better. Also pen is included for free. Cant stress that enough.
I couldn't care less about the pen. I have the apple pencil because it came with my used ipad and I used it 3 times overall. I'd say putting a freaking stylus as a strong point of a tablet assumes a lot about its user - most people don't need or want it.
@@37racso for someone new who is going to buy his first tablet, something that has more accessories from the start is always more appealing. Other tablets are usually priced less or just as much but already has a pen and sometimes a keyboard too. So of course, people would gravitate to where they could get more out of their money.
In your case, you can afford shelling out for an expensive stylus but chose not to use it. At least when I buy some android tablet, the pen is already included and i wont feel that much guilty by not using it.
using a tab s3 rn and it's still fast enough for what I need it for, with an android 11 custom rom ofc
As a samsung tablet owner I think this video misses a big usecase: content consumption, the samsung might be more expensive than an ipad but it has an oled screen, really good surround sound and it lets me install any app I want.
Sure, but what do you want to install that you can't use on iPad? Plex, VLC with network access, and virtually all streaming services are available. What can't you use on an iPad, you can on a Samsung?
@@insanelyliam Every single thing that doesn't exist in the apple walled garden
Well the S8 does not have an OLED but I'm scared of burn in so I'm actually glad the S8 has an LCD
@@insanelyliam Try installing a proper non Web App of xBox game pass, got'em jk
The most underrated content consumption feature is having a browser that shows the proper desktop websites, so YT has all the right Keyboard Shortcuts and of course so that you can access YT Shorts
@@jsnipn Name one? You can install apps through APK in Android. But what exactly does that get you that you can't do on an Apple device?
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I don't like iPad's restrictive iPad OS (deal breaker already).
I don't like iPad's hilarious file management system or lack there of.
I don't like that I cannot get access to iPad's folders when I connect it to my windows laptop or PC.
I don't like that I cannot have app continuity/call and text/clipboard sharing/access my Galaxy phone in the iPad.
I don't like the extra cost for the Apple Pencil.
I don't like the iPad's ridiculous storage pricing.
Oh and the iPad just learnt how to actually connect to external displays with the latest iPadOS version? Meanwhile we've using Dex on external monitors forever?
iDont:
Not enough attention to the pen, i find it way better than the apple pen.
The rubber tip is amazing and you don't have to buy or even charge it. It is a huge plus.
It was not even mentioned in the price comparison...
Not everyone wants or needs a pen. It's a nice-to-have but not much more than that to most people. I agree though that they could have mentioned it.
@@37racso they did a price comparison, not mentioning it is kinda meh.
And i find it perfect for normal browsing and navigation, is a really nice mouse substitute
I think, the way Samsung Tab was shown here is through the lens of a long time apple user wanting to shift to android. If that is the case faults will show everywhere. I think, we should appreciate android tablets as what they really are. They may have the same form factor with the ipad but they function really differently, hence a difference on apps and priorities. Android tablets shine as the polar opposite of the ipad, of the walled garden, and of oppressive high cost low number of options from apple.
What are the priorities then if they are not properly designed apps, form-appropriate UI and a good selection of high quality apps for that form factor? If the priority is allowing experimentation that sounds fun for a hobbyist product like a RPi but not for mass-market consumables. It seems like android are trying to realign their priorities more like Apple, if that is the case will you be upset about it?
@@fraserembrey5676 well you are not wrong but the pc also allows you to do whatever. that is what i prefer with android. shure it may not be as polished as the apple stuff but you can do whatever you choose with it.
@@SimonBauer7 I guess it depends what stuff you choose to do. I like being able to access a lot of apps and have it be pretty stable. I can't code apps that I want to use and I certainly could never make them all. I don't really want to mess around with some of the customisations and the low-level ones I sometimes want to do are pretty impossible on both platforms.
he showed a comparable android tablet cost more than ipad… the cheap one are unasable for more than a weeek
@@fraserembrey5676 my priorities come with note taking and price where the samsung tablets outshine the ipads by a lot. Literraly bro i could never buy an ipad
Funny how perfectly timed this came out. I just broke my Apple Pencil and I ended up ditching my iPad Mini 6 for my gathering-dust Tab S7. I love it. The software might not be the best compared to iPadOS, but the hardware and features really give Apple a run for their money.
How did you manage to break it
I can get why you liked the software on android, Dex is far ahead of iPadOS in terms of multi tasking
But how did you reach to the hardware part of the conclusion? Apple is generations ahead in hardware. Could you elaborate that part?
But how the heck can someone break an Apple pencil unless it was intentional?!
@@loki.8435 They can crack if you drop them on a hard surface, that might be it.
@@metallicafan5447 Other than their M1, apple is not generations ahead on hardware man. Especially if you consider their pricing.
A friends friend of mine paid 300 bucks to get 16gb more ram on their macbook pro, take into consideration that most normal laptops offer removable ram you'd be saving around 200 bucks to just have more ram on your pc. There is nothing "ahead" about that. And the tablets don't really have mention worthy ram, storage and screen rez specs. The apps are just optimized for ipads compared to the millions of android tablets and phones out there.
An artist on a budget. The included S pen on a tab S7 for a price of under $800 was the selling point for me since I had a budget. (Plus the screen size, expandable storage, and the fact that I owned an android phone.) If I wasn't on a budget at the time, I definitely would've gone the iPad route since I own a Macbook. I do have regrets, but not that I could've chosen any differently. But also maybe, the fact that I'm new to the Apple ecosystem is also a heavy factor.
edit// First off, if you're looking for a tablet as an artist, check out Brad Colbow. He does a lot of in-depth reviews on tablets both iOS and Android to help make your decision.
Secondly, replies on why I couldn't have just chosen the iPad Air M1 or why or how $800 can be a budget price... or whatever else strange comments there are below. I'm an artist who deals with 2d work, not 3d so not applicable to me whatever problems come with that. The iPad Air M1 wasn't out yet when I bought my Tab S7. And I'm not recommending for anyone to go Android. I was just sharing my experience and why I made the decision that I did. Also, though I know Procreate is a really great app, it's not the end all be all, especially for those who don't like to buy their apps for their first run-through. I think, if you're trying things out, go the cheaper or free route and see how you work first. AND the tools don't make the artist though they do help a lot. However, knowing how you work and what you like is what is really key to workflow.
Relatable. I just got an M1 Air a few months ago and been eyeing an iPad since. However, the storage options are frankly a rip-off and the price of the Pencil is too far. And I don't intend to migrate to iPhones anytime soon, so maybe the Galaxy tab is a good option for me too.
what software are you using to draw?
@@matthewoyan what do you think the galaxy tab is going to give you better because you own an android?
@@matthewoyan Same same! I've been wanting that iPad but just that pen price is not justified for me yet. lol I know that other artist stand by it now but when you're on a budget, it's not a choice. Hopefully, we'll both get to a point where we can jump ship OR android apps can match iOS.
There is a critical thing you have to consider: what creative apps are available on android vs iPadOS? Procreate, Vectornator, Adobe Fresco/Photoshop/Illustrator, and affinity photos/designer are all nowhere to be found in android, and those apps are all extremely useful for artists, plus the lack of performance on android tablets is just going to drag you down when you’re working in demanding apps, such as nomad sculpt, this 3d sculpting app requires a lot of performance, especially when applying lots of post processing and working on high poly count models, and the SD 8 gen 1 in the Tab S8 ultra is so slow that Chinese android phones can beat it in performance, Snapdragon is just not keeping up with apple silicone at all, they can’t even beat last gen intel mobile chips used in the surface pro tablets. The only exclusive drawing app that are actually useful for artists on android is krita, and unfortunately that app currently is just a bare bone port from pc with interface designed for only desktops, it is very unoptimized for touch, and the app on pc is also unoptimized in terms of performance, I don’t expect it to perform any better on a tablet that performs lower than a current gen android phone, and if you want a tablet below $800, there is still the iPad Air M1 to choose from.
1. You can do split keyboards for the Samsung tablets, try that before assessing the keyboard.
2. Use the edge screen for multitasking, the easiest thing I've ever used. Some people think it's a gimmick but it's a great feature that Apple should think twice about.
3. 5 minutes in and I'm out, reviewers nowadays don't know anything other than the one that they glorify, otherwise known as a golden brick.
Pricing changes a lot at least in Spain. For me, as an student, I could get the iPad for 628€ at Apple (discounts and taxes included). The Galaxy Tab on the other hand is 599€ at their website and already includes the S-Pen (the 2nd gen Apple Pencil adds 121€ extra to the iPad's price)
Thanks, Doggie Doggie Sanchez.
Yeah I really didn't like the video, it felt they didn't take it serious, I got the s8 over the air and even without factoring the price, got it with a free kb and the pen and it feels more sturdy on the hand, better screen looks better to me, you would need to compare it with the ipad pro, and I don't know about peninsular Spain but at least here on Tenerife when you take the price into account it's crazy
I think unless the Galaxy Tab is ridiculously cheaper (like 60% off the iPad's price), it's still worth getting the iPad over it. I don't understand people who don't care about lack of apps, everything being phone apps stretched to the whole screen, the huge performance gap between Android tablets and iPads, and pretty much lack of any software updates for Android tablets whereas there are 8-year-old iPads still getting software updates with new features
@@untitledsurfer8503 in 8 years that ipad will outdated. He'll even in 6 years. I'm typing this on my Tab s8 ultra, and I wouldn't trade it for an ipad if you payed me. Cheaper, more versatile, better screen, expandable storage, dex, included s-pen.... need I go on?
@@jamescassar5348 yeah it doesn't help your argument that you're typing on your Tab s8 and the text is all wrong lol it just validates what the video talked about the bad s8 experience
You are right in making this video...in most of your points. I purchased my Samsung S6 8Gb RAM and 256GB of storage for these reasons
- better price for more storage
- more ram for better multitasking
- micro sd expansion that allows up to (I think 2TB- but fact check that)
- I was shopping during black Friday and Apple did not care about giving me a good deal (the deal was just 100 dollars towards the next Apple product purchase) not $100 off the tablet.
- I was able to purchase the tablet at Samsung at 430 just being the best price all-around at the time, (not to mention the apple iPad with the same specs was MUCH more expensive still)
- Lastly, I find that the android operating system gives you much more control and shows you more information at all one time For example it actually tells you without even going into settings what Bluetooth device you have connected. Apple's interface is honestly just too big and blocky, with too many things to tap on to change one setting.
@@JustAGamer70, You do understand that when ios, and iPad OS runs out of system memory the other applications actually stop running until you go back into them right? Also, my budget was originally 300$, but after realizing I would need to spend more for what I wanted, I pushed my budget by 150, still Apple's lineup did not line up with what I wanted. A big influence was the fact that I wanted a lot of storage to keep pictures and videos and download as many applications as I like without feeling limited by a measly 64GB or even 128 is not enough these days. Thank you for commenting.
The "shows you more information at all time" is a balance and preference thing. People whose minds are more aligned with Apple's way of thinking tend to prefer a UI that shows you less information at a time if it means it's going to look less cluttered and more visually clean. Android people tend to think otherwise. Different strokes for different folks, although we must all try to stay open minded and look out for what the other person is doing as much as we can, because our preferences also change over time and if you don't stay nimble and get too attached to your way of doing things, you might turn it into a personal thing and think people who don't do things the same way you do it are stupid. You can also see what BT device you're connected to without going into Settings, but as you said you need to tap on more things to see that.
People that have a strong preference (having a strong preference isn't equal to being ignorant) for iPad over an Android tablet (or vice versa) don't really care about the price, they just want an X and are not in the market for other things / the other thing. If I don't see a discount for the iPad, I'm not gonna buy anything else. Sure I would like it to be cheaper, but I'm not gonna whine about it if I can't get it for cheaper. Price is really only a concern for people that are in the middle of the road (and that's not a bad thing, despite this paragraph of mine initially reading as passive aggressive).
Lastly, I would caution to you that Apple iDevices generally offer more performance than what their specs on paper would initially suggest. Mostly because their specs actually *are* impressive, just not on the surface to less technical people. Most people come to the conclusion that Android flagship devices are faster because they have more RAM and score higher in AnTuTu, but many Android OEMs are actually notorious for cheating in such popular benchmarks, and Android needs more RAM to keep the same number of apps open in the background than iOS. And Apple's specs are impressive because their SoCs are class-leading, and when you look at the nitty gritty technical specs of their chips, you see that they're actually unmatched by the likes of Qualcomm, MediaTek, and arm.
Anyway, those are some of my thoughts.
I won't be mad if you don't read it.
@@utubekullanicisi No, I have read your entire paragraph and you do make some excellent valid points. Also, do not be worried about being aggressive or whatever, because I understand that when someone is having a conversation online in text, usually the frame of mind of the reader may be to interpret things on the most negative side before just considering that the other person probably did not mean to be "aggressive, etc". I do agree, under the hood Apple's SOCs, especially with the recent M1 launch are at the point that they are extremely impressive. Dominating all other competitors with Desktop class performance in a Portable, clean, (but still expensive) package. But considering that pads are so powerful that they can do desktop-size tasks, it still is unfortunate to me to see that the iPad is not at MacOS yet. I really think that would be a great sweet spot. Thank you for sharing your thoughts, Kullanicisi. :)
RAM works differently on Android and Apple devices (iOS, iPadOS, watchOS, etc). Because Android mostly runs technologies that use garbage collection (technique for clearing stuff from RAM), they actually require lots more RAM just to function without hiccups or slowdowns, whereas all Apple OS use reference counting, which immediately frees RAM as soon as any object is no longer in use and is A LOT faster than garbage collection while also requiring a lot less RAM.
4GB of RAM on an Apple device compares favorably and offers equal or better multitasking than 12GB of RAM on any Android device. 6GB of RAM on Apple devices compares favorably to 16GB of RAM on any Android device. So it's very likely you actually have worse multitasking performance on the S6 with 8GB RAM than you would have with an equivalent iPad, and it will be even worse now with iPadOS 16 which adds virtual memory to the OS, like macOS, which will make the RAM difference even bigger.
There are many reasons Apple doesn't clearly advertise the amount of RAM on their non-Mac devices and it's because it's much more efficient; it doesn't make any sense comparing the RAM on Apple operating systems with Android, the numbers just don't match up.
(Macs are just as efficient with RAM but users expect (and need) to know how much RAM laptops/desktops have, unlike on iPhone/iPad/etc)
@@untitledsurfer8503 That's complete bs, 4GB compares favourably to 12GB? LOL You really have no clue. I own several iPads (a dozen) with all sorts of RAMs and several Samsung tablets with RAM going from 4, to 6 to 8 and to 16GB. 4GB on iPad is at best (but still not as good) comparable to 6GB on Android. And for your information. Samsung have been using Swap for a while already (and you can set how much you want, up to doubling your RAM). 8GB RAM Samsung tablets, even without swap, keep things in memory almost as well as M1 iPads (and I have both). When or if you have a bunch of recent iPads and Samsung tablets that you use regularly you will see what I am talking about.
It's amazing how MA videos have super high production value! The walking around with tablet, coffee ordering, just so good! 💙
If only the research put into it was a 10th as much.
What you mean most are outside with natural lighting ussing the same camera and editors?
Started watching this channel to support the whole LTT family (then I didn't even have/or had used any Apple devices). Thought at first I would dislike it. Now I have stayed for Jonathan and the whole team that have made this channel their own. Amazing work and I love all the content.
You can use your Tablet as second screen when working with your laptop as well! The combination of windows laptop and s7 FE Tablet works fine for me and acts like a second monitor
at 8:38 you missed that samsung includes their spen with that 699 price tag on the other hand you have to spend 129 extra on top 599 to get an apple pencil for ipad. so its relatively cheaper and also have higher refresh rate and storage.
This assumes people want to buy the stylus, which most people don't.
I love how structured and narrative these videos are vs the main LTT stuff.
I replaced my iPad Air 2 back in the day with a Tab S3 because the fact that iPads back then couldn't even download a simple file off the browser just drove me insane it was like a big iPod touch, not a computer replacement. The Tab S3 had a full file explorer, browser, multitasking and back then the Spen was a better option. But as soon as apple added those features to the iPad I went instantly back since the lack of app support was really showing. Not to mention how incredibly badly the Crapdragon 820 has aged it took me 15minutes just to setup the google account on the tablet in 2020 and it had just ONE YEAR of software update"s", meanwhile the Air 2 has been supported for almost 8 years and still runs fine for simple tasks....
From watching this video, basically your biggest qualms would be that the "Mac/IOS centric" applications aren't available on Android? Of course on top of some other minor things. But wouldn't that just be an issue with Apple's closed wall garden approach to application development and dissemination?
Of course, I do agree that for the performance and feature to the price, the iPads win on a landslide.
When it comes to multitasking in the ipad vs android tablet, reviewers/writers need to first define what do they mean by good multitasking. Is it similar to the ones seen in Windows/MacOS/Linux? If so, then both tablets are far from perfect. I had premium iPads that kill apps as I was multitasking them.
I do hope that in the future, we will reach a point where these devices all merge into one. Saves us the hassle of purchasing different devices.
No. The main issue is that most apps on Android are just stretched phone apps. He misses the iPad apps because most apps on iPad OS are tablet optimized.
@@GayDingo That is certainly an Issue, and I hope google would standardized the tablet experience for developers and users.
I spent several months researching and playing with all the models of ipads both A and M series chips, as well as galaxy s tabs both 7 and 8 series. I worked on them on a scenario basis; what apps would i be using if i were to buy that tablet, as well as accessories, and how well I can be productive. Price wasn't a factor for the majority of the time. In the end, I chose the galaxy tab S8, it comes with a pen, it comes with a micro sd slot, i can transfer files easily. Most importantly, i was most productive with it, bc the new Android OS and One UI versions made it so much easier than the tab 7's and the ipads. I use it every single day, almost replacing physical notebooks. i was most comfortable with the pen too, latency is very low. Plus, Samsung offers way better discounts and deals too. Even without the deals and discounts I felt I was getting more of my money's worth than apple's. I was really close to getting my very first apple ipad. Maybe next time.
I mean if you're coming from a notebook, surely something like Samsung DeX, which is like a "Windows knockoff", will be easier to get accustomed to. The question is, should you continue with what you got used to, or try to be more open minded and get used to an interface that suits tablets more? Floating windows is a nice concept for those who prefer it on tablets, but along with that software makers shouldn't bring along all other disadvantages of desktop OSs and UIs to tablets as well. In my opinion Stage Manager on iPadOS 16 seemingly finds this balance the best. You do get floating windows and a desktop OS-like interface, but with just a swipe to the right you can bring back the traditional tablet user interface with the homescreen and fullscreen (or more simple splitscreen) apps, so you don't "boot into" a desktop mode like with DeX. But, it is understandable that you didn't choose iPad at that time because Stage Manager wasn't announced yet.
@@utubekullanicisi You also have to spend 800€ to get a Stage Manager tablet that hasn’t cheap build quality
@@gigalodon14 What's wrong with the iPad Air mentioned in the video?
@@fraserembrey5676 The iPad Air bends really easily under a small amount of pressure. Definitely wouldn’t want to carry it around a lot
@@gigalodon14 Isn't the iPad Pro the same, its thinner and lighter than the iPad Air too
You can use your Samsung tab as a wireless monitor too, it's one of my main usecases.
or via usb c if you want no lag. works insanely well
@@SimonBauer7 I fidnt know wired works, how do i do that?
There are definitely things missed but this was a great watch. Wanted to note that Galaxy tab does display over usb-c and has wireless display options
I would say DEX deserves a bit more credit.
It may not be able to completely replace a laptop right now but when I left my laptop at home, I just plugged my S7 tablet into the USB C dock and had no problem using it for browsing, emails and Microsoft software.
Great video otherwise and this channel is always a good insight into Apple for a non apple user.
The portable tablet game is looking good, now that more competitors are entering the foray, as a user of the 10.5" iPad pro myself, the mipad 5 is shaping up to be a real challenge
I'm a 2017 iPad Pro 10.5" user myself as well, and after seeing just how many frames that Tab S8 dropped while recording the screen, I don't have any plans buying anything other than the upcoming M2 iPad Pro as a replacement.
android tablets need better performance and OEMs should putting phone chips in high end tablets.
there used to be a ton of android tablets. they were all just cheap and crappy. gave NOT iPad tablets a bad name, and for good reason
@@rohithmekala2608 yeah the mi pad 5, it has a snapdragon 860 which is still pretty fast
I own the Pad 5 and it's good for anything I do. coming from original iPad pro, the Pad 5's screen and speakers are much better, the performance is nice and android on tablet is looking great. I heard it's getting Android 12L and 13 as well.
Speaking as someone who currently has both Apple tablets from the Pro and Mini lines as well as Android tablets from both Samsung and Lenovo I still find myself using my Android tablets more often than not, the numerous optimized apps for iPads are great but the way certain things work at the OS level still frustrates me with iPads, whereas the same task on Android is just easier, coupled with the cost associated with Apple accessories and storage increases it just feels like I'm getting nickel and dimed to death, accessories on the Android side can be almost as bad but more tends to be included with the device, iPads are certainly great tablets and Android has plenty of shortcomings, but at the end of the day if I can only pick one, odds are it won't be an iPad
This is the actual unbiased opinion that this video sorely needed.
true. with ios/ipados i just felt too limited while on android i never felt like i couldnt do something from an os perspective
Can you elaborate further with examples?
@@abdulaziz-kt5ih Two right off the top of my head. First, iPad OS file management for local content is a disaster. Second, split screen only works with a vertical split regardless of whether the device is in landscape or portrait mode, why can't they allow a horizontal split in portrait mode?
@@abdulaziz-kt5ih ipad os doesnt let you "break out" so to speak. you can run GUI linux on android via termux and vnc (termux acts as a server the vnc client app on the same tablet acts as display out) without rooting or anything. or many emulators or other free open source software is only available on android like krita (a great painting app) or supertuxkart (a mario kart style racing game with local and online multiplayer). also java minecraft with apps like pojavlauncher or mcinabox. on an ipad? dont even THINK about it. you have to basically complete a vodoo ritual to do any of this.
Absolutely loving the video style of Mac Address. Props to the team! One of my favourite channels on the site!
I've had the first OG iPad (64Gb model), and I thought is was amazing! My PC at the time wasn't all that much and it was so much more fun watching movies on that thing then on my computer. I've thinking of buying an other tablet recently, so this video was very interesting to me :)
I'm excited for the upcoming iPad Os update. I've been consistently frustrated with little things about my iPad I wasn't with my old Android tablet. Mainly the files app is horrible on iPad currently. But this new update might fix my major complaints about the iPad. We'll see.
With regards to tablets, I currently only have an iPad, but a few points in android's favor:
The current strength of android tablets ATM is not in their operating system, but in form factor and features. Take Lenovo's gaming tablet (Lenovo M or something...?), it was a very competent gaming device for retro gaming at a reasonable price, and could have an android controller added onto it to turn it into essentially a build-your-own-Switch, with a degree of emulators available that just don't exist on the iPad. Or, take the Lenovo Yoga tablet. You can plug an HDMI cable into it to turn it into a monitor, a killer feature for some people, for people with little space, few outlets, or people who multitask on the go. Or, even further, take any of the android e-ink tablets that are excellent for reading, coding, writing, or sketching linework. This is just scratching the surface; the number of hardware niches fullfilled on the android side of things is quite remarkable, and will likely have something for a great variety of people, though some of these unique features may be alienating to someone looking for a general purpose, vetted experience.
Another major point: If you know how to code, you can write your own android apps. This is much less feasible on iPad. While I can conveniently enough write (or download) my own APKs for software functionality I need, it's much more convoluted on the iPad, and I'm really not impressed with the various workarounds needed.
Android is not the only competitor, either. There's also Windows (which I will not cover in depth here, but has a few interesting movements behind the scenes) and Linux, such as seen in the Pinenote, one of the more promising options for the budding software engineer looking to be able to dynamically compile and test small snippets of lower level languages while on the go. While the hardware specs of this, and similar devices may make you want to close the tab immediately, do bear in mind that they can hit surprisingly outside of their weight class due to a variety of sources of overhead in the Android and iPadOS ecosystems not present on the more open Linux systems, though the experience will not at all be as readily usable to a non-technically inclined user.
One time I was traveling with my computer and a Samsung tablet, my computer stopped working and I was able to work one whole week with just a Samsung Galaxy tab S6 Lite in Dex mode. It obviously wasn’t the same thing, but it worked
The Lenovo Toga tablet is perfect for me, I only really use it for streaming videos and playing the occasional game with a controller. The size is great, the battery lasts a full flight across the Atlantic, and the speakers are surprisingly great.
Yay! Incidentally was just binging all his older videos and immediately after finishing the Macbook M2 impression this video popped up.
Keep up the good work with the channel, really love how it's unbiased with giving both the good and bad of Apple's product.
(Made the decision to buy a Macbook Air M1, first Mac product in my life.)
Hope you enjoy it!
@@macaddress there is a WhatsApp scam on 1 of my posts.. I hate grapple smack but it interests me as 1 day apple might build something us android users will like so I keep watching for that day. But please find my posts and look at the WhatsApp Message and warn ppl I did reply saying I don't do scams sorry lol but ya need to be aware. I love LTT n tech quicky and gamers nexus. Please warn ppl and remove the WhatsApp Messages
I love that you are highlighting local businesses and the environment in the latest Mac Address videos. It gives them a great look and feel. I will always love LTT, but this laid back style is awesome!
Much more enjoyable to watch. Riley's influence on writing style grates on me.
I am super excited for stage manager and the windowed applications on iPadOS. MAINLY because second screen support on the ipad looks so good.
4:38
Don’t forget you can split the keyboard in two with a simple (and intuitive) gesture
Isn't Dex supposed to be used with a Monitor? I would say as that it is better than iPadOS.
I tried Dex on an external monitor hooked up to a keyboard and mouse. I tried typing a sentence in Word. I tried deleting it, and I could only delete... one... character... at... a... time.
@@macaddressI just tried it with it hooked up to my PC and there it worked. But I don't have a bluetooth kbm or a docking station to test it just with a monitor.
@@macaddress I use DeX on a daily basis. Can't say I've ever had that issue.
This is my favorite LMG channel now, both for script writing and photography. I like how they leave the studio behind for some of the videos. Even the ones done in the office typically aren’t just hanging out on one set the whole time. Looks at that luscious coffee b-roll. You don’t get that in the studio. And those overhead shots of Jonathan with all the devices sprawled out on the table, 👌.
I am a little annoyed with how his voice does not seem to match up to his mouth talking it seems odd. Sometimes feels like a voice over a person talking
The correct term when it comes on video was videography, but yes I really like their approach on each video...
If only the content matched the aesthetic. This was the most superficial, lazy, misrepresented video I've seen from LMG in a long time.
I'm not mad, just disappointed.
@@mjlsosito “when it comes to” not “on”
This feels unfair, u haven't covered everything about the tab S8. What I learned from this video is just how much ur used to using the iPad and you've overlooked alot major features of what makes the Tab S8 so great.
This dude and his videos are my favourite in the LTT family. They just work really nicely and I love how this guy delivers information, and the dry humour for jokes. I love them having an apple-focused channel as well.
This cafe shoot is great as well.
I've been using the Tab S8 for a couple months now, and while I'm a little biased because I haven't used an iPad before, it is hands down the best laptop replacement ever. I use it daily for drawing, playing PS2 games using emulator, remote desktop, and light 3D modelling with Blender. The only real complaints I have so far are just the single USB-C port and yes, the tiny 11" screen.
So far these are the workarounds to some issues mentioned in the video:
To "fix" the portrait mode issue, go to Settings -> Advanced Features -> Labs, select "Auto rotate apps", find the desired app, (e.g. Instagram), then select either "App aspect ratio" or "Full screen". It's not a perfect solution but at least you stay in landscape mode.
To address the terrible keyboard ergonomics, Samsung Keyboard has a Split keyboard mode that makes typing much more enjoyable using two thumbs.
For desktop extension, well, it depends on how you want it done. DeX lets you connect to a vacant monitor, turning it into the tablet's second screen. Samsung Flow can mirror the tablet's screen to a PC in the same wifi network. Second Screen (doesn't work on all PCs) and SuperDisplay (need to shell out $10 for the full version) turn the tablet into Windows' second screen and pen display with working pressure. Some of these solutions are jank af, but hey, at least they work.
For apps, I believe the Play Store has an alternative somewhere. :D
For me the best app for S8 we can download right now to improve user experience is Samsung's One hand operation+. I don't know why they didn't bake the app to the OS because it solve many of the complaints in this video. Also, for app like Twitter or Facebook, I prefer using Samsung Internet which look beautiful on the tablet so not really a dealbreaker like the video mention.
@@makasaro Totally agree with Samsung Internet! Built-in dark mode and support for ad blockers, what's not to love?
Also, I would like to add SoundAssistant to the list of useful apps that should've been baked into the OS.
Do iPads do have competition? Yes, other iPads.
You do realize you can change the height of the keyboard in Gboard right? And make it a normal keyboard for tablets?
Excited for iPadOS 16, especially Stage Manager. A lot of my work is done on it, so I can’t wait to try it.
Awesome video by the way, and very cinematic. Well done.
while I agree on the overall premise that iPads blow Android tablets out, I feel like a majority of your complaints were unfocused. Basically "I'm used to how iPadOS works, so I think it's better"
Not really compelling points.... there's a ton of actual reasons why iPadOS is simply better.
good production quality, but there was essentially zero substance in this video.
I agree
Exactly how I felt. I was seriously scratching my head when Jonathan said he missed GarageBand on the S8.
Also tons of reasons why iPadOS is simply worse.
@@AGuy-vq9qp eh not really lol
@@moxlolol OK now sideload an app.
I’ve been struggling to get into the videos on this channel, but really enjoyed this one. Solid video!
Love to hear it!
- the default keyboard has split mode
- the pen is included
- also, samsung stuff is almost always discounted, accessories (cover, keyboard) are also much cheaper and often discounted
- the S8 can also be used as a second screen for your notebook
- yes, it lacks some apps, but I do those things (insta, twitter, etc) on my phone anyways, I use my tablet for actual media or actual work (uni), not doomscrolling
Mac Address has become the ONLY LMG channel I have bell notifications turned on. Such polished and focused content without all the extra humor that comes with all the characters of LMG.
As somebody who one this video is frustraiting, it is so right in some regards but I can tell he's an Apple user an the research wasn't done properly: You can make the keyboard float, split it, resize it and more... also no mention of the free pen with Samsung, and how cheap the s8 has already gotten. And he didn't talk about the second screen feature that works with all Windows computers, Dex's docked mode and Samsung Universal Control clone, that is available on Samsung"s Galaxy Book2 Pro series (Yeas, it's an awful name)
In short: Android tablets can better than iPads in a lot of ways, the problem is you need to know how to make them good, it's far from Apples out of the box and it works.
As a long time android user.... The ipad is still my go to recommendation for tablets. My ipad 2 (not air or mini) is still alive and I use that for various things still. Although if I'm in the market for a new tablet for myself, I'd go for xiaomi tablet or a lenovo tablet. Sd cards are just a no brainer for me. No sd card, no purchase.
I like the idea of an sd card, but most android phones (at least here In the us) don’t seem to support putting apps on them.. which is really dumb
Holy shit, you must be patient! I can’t use my iPad 2, not really. I have a 2018 iPad Pro now, and it’s pretty great.
I no longer understand why sd cards can be a deal breaker in 2022 when you can stick in a 1tb thumb drive
@@sterlingroberts6240 I work at a phone repair store, so many people come in to fix their old ass iPads. Like bruh, just buy a new one. But can't agree that it hold ups
My 2016 galaxy tab a10.5 is also still in comission and still does everything perfectly as long as you don't have all the apps on standby.
I am very hyped for Stage Manager, not for the internal screen, there I very much like the normal split screen, but for external display support.
I have really wished for the iPad to be able to drive an external display meaningfully and with Stage Manager this finally seems like a viable option. Heck I was considering an iPad as my main device and the main pitfall was that when I am doing certain tasks I just needed more windows open in parallel, which is now an option.
I am looking forward to the iOS 16 release because of it and I'm already looking for a replacement for my 2017 iPad Pro such that I can take advantage of Stage Manager.
I think you missed a lot there. As a simultaneous Samsung, Mac, iPad, Windows and Linux User, you really get to see how locked in you are on iOS. Especially the flexibility/customizability of android that actually makes you able to adjust/fix most of your complains you had. With 3rd Party software, I can combine Mac and windows and even android with relative ease and loads of functionality, tho iOS makes it really hard, to step outside of the ecosystem, especially because Open Source software has it hard to get on iOS (because App Store only etc.)(the reason most of my cross platform things don't support iOS).
And also the Keyboard thing: Both keyboards you mentioned have customizable button sizes and there are hundreds of really good other options in the Play store with a 100% guarantee that there will be one, that you will find much better than apples approach.
I could give you a bunch more reasons to think about if you want to, but this comment is getting a little out of hand.
But I don't want to say, that your Video was bad, it just felt a bit biased and uncompleted.
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This video feels like a series of misses imo. There's no mention of how good samsung's displays are, nor the fact that sales actually exist on the android front. I bought a brand new Samsung Tab S7+ for $400 which is cheaper than the base model iPad + an apple pencil (which Samsung includes) and the AMOLED screen is amazing for watching content with only iPad pros more than twice the price offering any sort of competition. The dex experience is going to suck on the S8 since it's so small but if you pair the S8+ with a cheap bluetooth mouse and keyboard the experience is actually very useable.
You can also connect to an external display for DeX to be much more useful. I use DeX on my Note 10+ connected to a 34" 1440p ultrawide as my daily "PC".
Software development is the main reason I use a tab s8u over an iPad pro. Being able to leave my MacBook pro at home and still get 80% of my work done is a huge benefit to my life. Dex makes react development a breeze and there are plenty of tablet-tailored applications for what I do
This is true - I'm so incredibly disappointed I still can't develop software on my iPad. Even a proper functional editor that runs the software on a server is a glitchy hassle (VSCode Remote)
honestly speaking Mac address videos feel more like a short film than CZcams video...and i mean this as a compliment
Awesome video. I find your content articulate, well done and nicely presented. I would agree with you about LT.
Oh for keyboard I always use Gboard and pop it out to one side and just use one thumb for all my typing...
I really wish the ipad mini had actual competition. I use a Samsung tab a7 lite to read manga and it's super slow. I wish there was a 8 inch tablet with a high end processor and good screen on the android side. I don't want to switch to an ipad because there doesn't seem to be an app like tachiyomi on ios, also I really don't want to have to pay so much for extra storage. I have around 400gbs of manga so really need a micro sd slot. Maybe I'll end up getting that lonovo legion 8 inch gaming tablet eventually, as it's the only thing that comes close to what i need specs wise.
I know that too. Maybe the Tab S8 lite could be a 8.3 Inch screen. But I feel like they'll eiether do the s6 lite design or make a cheap variant of their S8 Ulitra
You could probably get a used Z Fold 2, almost as big as the ipad air but much much nicer. They are also significantly cheaper now used.
Is there a custom Android ROM that is compatible?
So the usbc port not being centered is bad but the iphone xr's lightning port being off center is okay with you?
for Dex the best one is to have a external monitor and connect via HDMI, also its a wireless 2nd screen on Windows
I'm an Android Tablet owner. I have an S7+, before that I had an iPad 2 that I held on to for the longest time. I get why iPads are still good, especially with the whole ecosystem built around Apple devices. I didn't really expect to ever own the Samsung tablets, but after being in the market for one, I'm glad I did. I understand the form factor usage, I mainly use my tablet for reading, media consumption, and other things I don't want to use my phone for. I have my computer for programming and various other things I do both for work and play. My phone, I pretty much try to avoid using when I don't need to, and that's probably why I'm still running a Note 9 this long. (I'm stubborn for an SD card capable phone which is now looking impossible)
However, the Samsung tablets have been quite amazing. Also the recent updates from Android 12 have ruined multi-tasking IMO. It was actually better under Samsung's control when they had it as part of their features that wasn't in Android officially. It was so much easier to implement, but sadly like most things that come to Android later after Samsung users have been enjoying them, they usually get a little worse in the implementation because Google doesn't want to seem like they straight rip off Samsung or something. That's a shame.
I'll leave with one more thing, outside of what both tablets do, I have enjoyed tinkering with Android tablets. If you're willing to explore outside the Play Store (and you really should, there's many communities out there) install F Droid (no rooting required), then install a command line tool like Termux, and you can get Linux distros onto your tablet that work so well. Now when you open your tablet, you can choose between a real 2 in 1 device that goes from Android to your Desktop of choice almost, and enjoy applications on it you couldn't run before. Android is great like that, but I understand you also don't have that with every common user. It just will work off the device without having to jail break or anything.
P.S. Great video, and I am not a salty Android tablet user. I promise, I respect the video diving into it and trying it out. I know why iPad is a great device, and I still will buy one some day just because I miss having it, but I am also not in a rush to jump back.
I feel like a lot of Mac Address videos lack informational substance. You spent so little time in the video (and probably in the preparation) on actually showing and comparing the tablets. I felt like there was more focus on the coffee shop than on the tablet.
Couldn't agree more. What did you expect from an Apple focused channel run by a media group?
I absolutely LOVED my Nexus 7 tablet. I was so mad when google stopped making them. It was the perfect e-reader formate
Let's be real, Dex was made for the plus and ultra, the normal has it because why not, better to have it then not have it
I bought a used Tab S7 for school and it was the best decision I ever made. It was hardly used and came with accessories. The Ipad is nice, but relatively new android tablet for $300 is nearly unbeatable.
I don’t care for DEX or Stage Manager, I still see the iPad as a single-focus-oriented device; heck, I don’t use Slide Over at all and I’ve got an M1 iPad Pro. I can see the appeal of using it as a full computer, don’t get me wrong, but I never saw it as a desktop/work machine/productivity machine replacement… and then, maybe that’s my own fault.
I don’t mind multi-tasking on a fully-supported external monitor. I do mind multi-tasking in tablet mode, Be it Samsung/Android or Apple/iPadOS. It just seems so limiting.
The splitscreen is nice though. Monitoring a few things while a video runs is great. Just getting there is stupid (half swipe up and hold?)
My thoughts exactly. Multitasking on an external monitor would be great, but on an 11in screen just ain’t it. Many simple tasks are just too clunky on the iPad for me to do them efficiently. I love my M1 iPad Pro it a great illustration tool, note taking tool, and recreational device, but it will never replace my desktop or laptop when “real work” (unless that work is illustrative) or research needs to be done.
@@chillax1688 there is a 12.9 inch ipad too
@@HolgerNestmann no just swipe down from middle and choose app
MacAddress videos give me the vibe of a TV show that you put on a marathon of at 10pm and just chill while you drift in and out of sleep cause life feels okay
I had the ASUS Transformer 2 tablet around 2013, I thought the iPad was a smoother experience. Perhaps things are better now?
8:27 All the air in my lungs has left.
Let me start by staying I got my first iPad back in 2010 so was a very early adopter of tablets. Anyway, as an Android phone user since 2010 (Motorola XT720) and an Android tablet user since 2011 (Acer Transformer TF101) for my use cases (mostly reading and media consumption) using the same system on both phone and tablet always made a lot of sense. I have had iPads from time to time but none of the apps I used gave a better experience on the iPad and many gave in fact a far worse experience since dealing with files were so restricting.
6:20 Yeah they got two bigger tabs for that
Dex It's an excellent feature with an external monitor. Absolutely laps the iPad many times over for productivity.
When I switched from a Samsung tablet to an iPad and started using the Instagram and Snapchat on my iPad I realised that some apps aren’t optimised for ios either, unless you are an illustrator or your work consist of audio or video production I think the galaxy tab is the one to get, btw I bought the iPad 9 because of the price to performance it offers but in future I’m looking forward to shift back to android because ios isn’t working for me
finally someone said this
The main downsides of this review is apps availability and compatibility.
Both of these things depends only on the developers of the apps. It's not depends on Google, nor Samsung, to be able to use them.
As a software developer, I'm the one to fault if an app not suitable for tablets, not the hardware or manufacturer.
As for budget, sorry, 128GB + pen+ expandability worth 100$ more then the late to update iPad
I’d be curious to know if your dad actually uses the storage/expandable storage.
My dad, who honestly had no idea how large 256/512gb actually was, insisted on getting a 512gig iPad. He’s using like…40gigs.
iPads honestly are super easy to connect a camera to (type C adapter -> whatever camera connection you need). I drop photos from my OLDDD Canon 40D (released in 2007) to my iPad Pro all the time.
Which iPad or type of iPads would you recommend for someone who is using Procreate on a regular basis, wanting their canvas size to be at lest 6000 pixel max and have Very few to no bugs or frustrations, on a under $1000 bunch??