Hadith: Wholesale Rejection & Uncritical Acceptance | Dr. Shabir Ally
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- How do we know that all of the hadith are directly from the Prophet? Why do we even need to accept hadith as part of Islam? Why can’t we reject it altogether and just rely on the Quran? We sit down and talk to Dr. Shabir Ally about the start of this new series.
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Dr sabir ally is really very knowledgeable man..
Keep it up ...let Quran speak go on ...it's very informative channel
Salams from Utah (also affectionately known as “Mormonistan” 😉). I would have been able to accept Islam at least two or three years earlier than I did if these videos had been around- it took time to realize that almost all of my hangups about Islam came from questionable (or, at best, very poorly explained) ahadith. I was a borderline hadith rejector when I said the shahada but, alhamdulillah, I now understand that while no book can be equal to (much less supercede) the Qur’an, in order to understand a perfect book, an imperfect reader may need imperfect commentary on it. I now think of the Qur’an as a masterpiece work of art, perfect as it is, and ahadith /extra-Quranic parts of the Sunnah as the gallery it hangs in- does that sound about right to you?
The Quran and the Sunnah were preserved by the same people.
The fact that hadith have to be authenticated came down to the political divisions that occured a few decades down the line with the extremist Shia groups that started exaggerating issues in favour of Ali and the Ahlul Bayt. Others would fabricate hadith for other purposes and every single one those fabricators is known.
The scholars of hadith have a very precise methodology which they developed to preserve the authentic sunnah. 100s of factors were taken into account before grading each hadith accordingly.
So don't be taken in by the Anti hadith propaganda by a tiny minority of extreme deviants that are a more recent group - and stick to the main body of the Muslims.
@@mikk3150 uP
@@mikk3150 what about the hadiths that take away the rights of women?
@@May-zg8fs what rights in particular?
@@mikk3150 Allah preserved the Quran, fallible humans preserved the Hadith
There once was a recipe for shortcake. It was invented by a guy named Fred.
It had four ingredients: sugar, flour, butter, and water. Fred taught
many people in the village of Narn how to prepare it. The Narnian cooks
were delighted. Fred said they could make it any way they like, as long
as they took care to make it taste good. For the next several months,
the Narnian cooks elaborated on the recipe. Pretty soon cinnamon was so
routinely added that novices were taught to use it all the time. Later,
ginger powder was added, and the newcomers learnt to include that as
well. Eventually, the only acceptable recipe to the Narnians included
sugar, flour, butter, water, cinnamon, ginger powder, salt, corn starch,
oat flour, vanilla, powdered pears, and canola oil. The cooks applied
the complex recipe religiously, never deviating. They even began
chastising those who forgot to add the cinnamon or powdered pears. The
Narnian Congress was lobbied to pass laws prohibiting violations of
"Fred's shortcake recipe". Soon people were jailed for their disrespect
of the Great Fred, whose name could no longer be spoken without also
adding the words, "may his shortcake live forever".
One day, a very old Fred came back. No one recognised him. He went into a coffee shop, where
there was "Fred's shortcake" on the menu. He ordered the shortcake. It
was delicious. He asked for more. Then he enquired about the
name--"Fred's shortcake". The cook chastised the very old Fred for not
knowing the details about "Fred's shortcake". He exclaimed impatiently
that no one should question such things. "There is only one way to make
shortcake!" exclaimed the cook, now red-faced. Fred then replied as
calmly as he could, "Dear sir, shortcake is very easy to make. You just
take sugar, flour, butter, and water. After that, the rest is up to you,
as long as you take care to make it taste good."
But the cook replied, "No! Blasphemer! There is only one way to make Fred's shortcake! And
here it is!" He stuck the recipe in Fred's face. It said, "Sugar, flour,
butter, water--make it taste good." Fred looked on the back of the
recipe. It said, "This recipe is fully detailed." Fred did not
understand. He asked, "Where does it say to add all those other
ingredients?" The cook replied, his face getter redder, "Right here!"
And he pointed to the phrase "make it taste good." (There were hundreds
of explanations of this mysterious phrase and a multitude of quotes
attributed to the Great Fred giving detailed clues about what the phrase
meant, all compiled in a nine heavy volumes entitled "The Sayings of
Fred," but it would have taken too long for the cook to explain them to
the old man.)
Fred finally asked, "What if you just made it with sugar, flour, butter, and water, and
added anything you like after that, as long as it tastes good?
After all, it says on the back that this recipe is "fully detailed." Why must you insist on
adding all these other things, not tolerating any variation at all? Dear
sir, I think the original idea was to make it easy for you, and to let
you add what you want, as long as it tastes good." The cook tried to
regain his composure. "This old guy must be from out of town," he
thought. The cook then replied, more patiently now as his confidence was
rising, "Silly old man, can't you see? The recipe is NOT fully
detailed! If it were, then it would ALSO tell us what to do with the
cinnamon, ginger powder, salt, corn starch, oat flour, vanilla, powdered
pears, and canola oil!"
Fred was eventually imprisoned for questioning the recipe, and for claiming that he was, in
fact, Fred. For everyone knew that the Great Fred (may his shortcake
live forever), would NEVER question his own recipe!
By Richard Voss PhD.
The greatest analogy I've heard to describe this massive heist!
Well played sir.
ayub46 that’s a lot of drama for a shortcake recipe wow
My question to Dr Shabir is, Allah said ‘ إِنَّا نَحْنُ نَزَّلْنَا الذِّكْرَ وَإِنَّا لَهُ لَحَافِظُونَ (9)
If Allah wants us to follow Hadith to this day, why isnt it protected the way Quran is?
because you dont need hadith.
@@DiscoverHealth how would you know how to pray then?
@@Asumareh1 trust Allah, Allah says Quran contains everything in detail. ovbiously you can find more detailed salat in quran. 300+ hadiths combined made up our traditional salat and many scholars disagree with each other regarding which hadith to follow and have devided themselves in sacts. Quran not only tell us how to pray salat it also says what to say which hadith followers have no clue. one must utter specific verses in salah. I would ask you to read quran to find out how to pray.
The Quran speaks of three positions to be observed during the Salat, they are: Standing, Bowing and Prostrating.
The following verses confirm that the Salat starts in the standing position:
You shall maintain the Salawaat and the Salat Al-Wusta, and stand devoutly obedient before God. 2:238
O you who believe, when you get up to observe the Salat, wash ....... 5:6
So the angels called out to him while he was standing, praying in the sanctuary: "God gives you news of John, confirming a Word from God He will be honourable and celibate, as well as a prophet, from among the righteous." 3:39
And if you are among them and you lead the Salat for them, let a group of them stand with you and let them hold on to their weapons. 4:102
After the standing position comes the bowing and prostrating:
We appointed for Abraham the location of the House: "Do not associate anything with Me, and purify My House for those passing by and those standing, bowing, and prostrating." 22:26
Muhammad, the messenger of God, and those with him are stern with the disbelievers and merciful amongst one another. You see them bowing and prostrating, seeking favour from God and consent. 48:29
The Salat ends with prostration:
Then once they have prostrated, let them be positioned behind you and let another group, who has not yet observed the Salat, observe the Salat with you while remaining cautious and while holding on to their weapons. 4:102
The words 'once they have prostrated' indicate clearly that prostration marks the end of the Salat, after which a new group comes to observe their Salat in the place of the first group. There is no mention in 4:102, or anywhere else in the Quran, that the believers should follow prostration by standing once again and repeating the cycle.
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These three Quranic physical movements (standing, bowing and prostrating) are not required during the times of emergencies, fear, and unusual circumstances:
If you fear, then on foot or riding. Then once you are secure, remember God as He taught you what you previously did not know. 2:239
Positions of hands, eyes and head
Various schools of interpretation instruct that the hands must be raised to the sides of the forehead while reciting 'Allahu Akbar'. Others instruct the hands to be wrapped around the waist while standing. Others instruct that the forefinger must point outwards while reciting 'La ilaha Ila Allah' while sitting down after sujood.
None of these movements are found in the Quran, therefore none of them are required by God.
With regards to the eyes, whether to keep them open or closed during the Salat, this is a matter left to personal choice. Whether the believer feels more in tune with the Salat with eyes open or eyes closed, that is left to his/her choice.
When we come to the head, although there are no direct instructions in the Quran as to whether we should look forward or look downwards, yet we have various Quranic clues that indicate that looking down is a sign of submission, and so, it is advisable for us to do the same as a sign of submission when we stand before God in our Salat:
Do not think that God is unaware of what the transgressors are doing. Rather, He respites them until a Day when the sight will be horrified.
They rush headlong with their heads bent forward, their eyes will not blink and their hearts will be hollow.14:42-43
If We wished, We could bring down upon them a sign from the sky to which their necks would remain bowed in subjection. 26:4
Hearts on that Day will tremble, and their eyesight will be subdued. 79:8-9
many many more quranic verses speak about salat names times positions and words etc.
[Quran 6:38] We did not leave anything out of this book.
@@Asumareh1the hadiths don't teach you how to pray step by step either.
Brother, You’re doing a great job.
Just keep on going! Allah ﷺ must give you a great reward!
Thank You! 🌺
Allah bless Dr/ Sheik Shabir Alley, eloquent as always and concise.
If I'm not mistaken, one of the things that divide the sunnis and Shias are what they consider authentic ahadith. Where does this divide lie? Why don't they accept narrations from Abu Huraira ra whereas he's the highest narrator for sunnis in terms of number. Where did this huge difference come from? This has been on my mind so any info would be greatly appreciated.
No :) this is the after shocks of their (shias') shirk (polytheism). They do shirk at first place by giving Godly reverence to Ali (may Allah please with him) and the family of Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) at an inappropriately level. Then to support their baseless claims (shirk) they start rejecting/distorting/twisting clear verse of Quran itself at first and then hadith secondly or secondarily. So Abu Huraira (may Allah please with him) issue is just a tertiary level issue or you can lame excuse.
Junaid Muhammad Syed
Well Sunnis do that too lol
Junaid Muhammad Syed Sunnis also do shirk and pretty much worship and attribute lie to the prophet Muhammad.
@Life's Good I am just answering commenter's question, I didn't say shirk is exclusive to Shias. Lots of Sunnis sects do shirk. Anybody, be it Sunnis or shia or any other sect, do shirk will become Kafir. Allah said:
{وَمَا يُؤْمِنُ أَكْثَرُهُم بِاللَّهِ إِلَّا وَهُم مُّشْرِكُونَ} [يوسف 12: 106]
And most of them believe not in Allah except while they associate others with Him. (12:106)
And you will also see same Shia rejection mentality in other sects accordingly.
do u understand urdu
jazakallahukhair . this is really great. keep it up!
simply amazing...may Allah swt give taufiq to a person of Dr shabbir stature to give clarity to some of the most controversial aspects of islam...let sunnah speaks...
The Holy Quran is complete and explain in detail every thing.
(6.114)
"Say: "Shall I seek for judge other than God? - when He it is Who has revealed to you the Book, explained in detail". They know full well, to whom We have given the Book, that it has been sent down from thy Lord in truth. Never be then of those who doubt"
( 45:6)
"These are the verses of God that We recite to you with truth. Then in what 'Hadith' (statement / narrative) after God and His 'Ayat' (verses) will they believe?"
those so called hadith are books written 200 years after prophet mohamed death and the scholars are arguing till now which of them is legitimate and which is not. do you warship the creator of the universe or the clerks and your ancestors traditions.
(2:170)
And when it is said to them, "Follow what Allah has revealed," they say, "Rather, we will follow that which we found our fathers doing." Even though their fathers understood nothing, nor were they guided?
Please Muslims Please for your own sake and for our religion's sake WAKE UP.
Do you pray?
criminozs.. No he does not.. Because according to hadith rejectors all these worship is not necessary..
To say that Hadith is needed makes the above false. :| the Quran requires the Hadith to understand it thus making the 6.114 verse false.
ligarsystm.. Hadith is what prophet said did and told us to do.. It does not mean Quran is incomplete..
@@jdmunshi2946 In your context it does make the above verse false though.
Quran is the primary, Hadith (Sunnah) is secondary..
No, Quran only and Quran alone and only Quran is our source
@@Ninja360r Amen
*The whole argument of Hadith rejectors can be simply destroyed reason why Hadith is revelation can be proven by prophecies which even they cannot deny nice try!*
The Quran doesnt need a second man made book...
Zatoichiable *read my comment above your argument is destroyed*
These are Allah’s revelations that we recite to you truthfully. In which Hadith other than Allah and his revelations do they believe? [45:6] You guys need to read this verse again and again until you understand that you shouldn’t follow hadith but follow Quran only.
I’m so torn! On one hand we have compelling arguments from scholars saying that the Quran needs to be properly explained via hadith because the average layman doesn’t posses the wisdom to do so on his own- secondly all our ritualistic aspects of Islam become confusing without an established structure that you see among mainstream Muslims , while the opposing side shows the verse you shared above and by that argument one can conclude that hadith IS the Quran... but the Quran also demands we follow the prophet, and there’s no way of knowing what to follow without reading about it in the hadiths. I’m confused because I want to do what’s right but I don’t want to commit shirk. It’s sad that our scholars can’t come to a unanimous decision that gives us a balanced approach because some of the prominent scholars I follow quote hadiths 90% of the time to support their lectures... it’s as though there isn’t much material to discuss with the Quran alone...? I feel like I need to create my own balanced approach because both sides seem extreme to me... surely not all hadiths can be false...
@@fatimaxo4885 Sister this verse is taken out of context. A single word in arabic can have different meanings and many words in arabic lead to the same meaning. Hadith word that is used in the verse means statement. Which means whoms statement will you believe in when Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala has given the true statement. Meaning different religions and atheist-ism. It doesnt mean the Hadith that was given to us by the Holy Prophet SAW. Otherwise think about it yourself, why didnt the Sahabas at that time complain about it?. How does the Quran tell you to not believe in what the Prophet say or did?. Thats contradictory itself.
Pretty much all the scholars believe that the hadith are and should be accepted because the Quran itself says that you should obey your messenger and the messenger (Muhammad PBUH) was send to reveal verses of Allah AND explain them. So if the hadith are wrong lets say, where is the explanation that the Quran said that the Prophet SAW was supposed to give?. Because the Quran cannot be wrong. Thats an established fact. If the Quran says "explain" to them. That means the Sahabas didnt understand what the Quran meant. Even when Quran is in arabic, which was the language that the Quran was revealed in. Even when it made references to their own culture, the Sahabas didnt understand what it meant, thats why Quran has said in its own verses that "explain" to them. So if the Sahabas couldnt understand it without the explanation, how can we?.
This is why the comment " the average layman doesn’t posses the wisdom to do so on his own". Because if you dont have historical or cultural knowledge, Quran literally contradicts itself. On one verse it says "kill them where you find them" and then in another verse it says "even if he's your enemy, treat them like a brother". So which one is it then? But if you look at the history and when they were revealed, the first one was revealed when muslims were in a state of war and defense, while the second one was revealed everything was in mutual order and peace. Thats why you need hadith to explain it for you.
Since i dont want it to be long and scare you I'll divide it into two parts. 1/2
@@fatimaxo4885 Its not Shirk to follow the Holy Prophet. It would be shirk to say Holy Prophet PBUH made Islam and he's (nauzubillah) God. To compare the Holy Prophet SAW to God is wrong. He is the messenger, Final messenger. And to follow him is what God taught us. So how is it shirk to follow what Allah said, which is to follow the Holy Prophet SAW?.
This is a simple tactic used by Hadith rejectors to make their argument look powerful. You would be hesitant to refute someone's argument if someone says "You'll go to hell, you are committing shirk. Mark my words" because you think "How can he be so confident?". Do not believe any of this. You can use this experiment yourself if you want to. Say a lie that you think will be hard to identify to your friends and stay firm on it. Say things like "How did you not know this. Oh my God, How has it not been taught to you." Or even things like "Mark my words this is going to happen". More than 60% of people will believe you simply because of your confidence.
This issue stems from 2 things. First people want to eliminate the Importance that Prophets have in Islam. Because no one can argue with Quran. That is an established fact. So the next thing you can meddle with is the Hadith. So people try to confuse other people in this regard to weaken their belief. 2) People add their opinion into matters of God, Allah. The opinion factor should diminish the moment you say Kalmah. Which is the oath that Allah is true and my opinion doesnt hold anything against it because I will follow what he has established, which is complete. People nowadays add things to religion on their own accord, which comes down to opinion. I truly with we can talk it out instead of me putting out these essays, as establishing and fixing these issues are very important. I almost fell into this pit myself but I can only thank Allah who dragged me out of this. So if you want to talk about this issue I would like to as well.
@@KaauhurK you’re simply regurgitating the same argument hadith supporters give in the same way Quran only supporters give because if you can find 1 or 2 contradictions in the Quran according to you, you’ll find a whole lot more in the hadiths. So if you need additional material to explain the ‘contradictions’ in the Quran, what material will we come up with next to explain the contradictions in the hadith? Why do people think they’re so knowledgeable or above anyone to assume they can meddle with the Quran and explain it with rulings that don’t even have any solid backup from it?
Secondly, the example you gave is not a contradiction it’s taken out of context the way non Muslims do when attacking Islam. I find it ironic that you chose the same verse for me when as Muslims we always argue that those are only part of a larger verse that was deliberately miscontextualized. So please do better next time. Also, if the Quran is telling you to follow the prophet on one hand, and is daring you to find a better hadith than the Quran itself, and you yourself picked hadith as a form of following the prophet because the scholars have established them as his teachings, when the Quran says otherwise and I pick that as my guide, then whether it’s your argument or mine we are both using strong arguments to back our claims. But no argument no matter how big should overshadow the Quran, period. And lastly the prophet himself did not sit with anyone and compiled his teachings in a book with a stamp of approval...why did his closest companion abu bakr ra did away with the few hadiths he did collect? If you are a hadith follower then you would know of this story too, the opposition of hadith also come from hadith, so please don’t disrespect the Quran by saying it has contradictions. You should know the hadith does not even explain the entire Quran as claimed by many, not even half of it. So what do we do with the large portion that wasn’t explained? It’s strange that the narrators of the Quran weren’t scholars but simply people who supposedly heard such and such from the prophet and that is enough to explain the Quran even if some of those narrators were uneducated, but today highly educated scholars can’t explain the Quran without hadiths that came from Bedouin’s?
@@fatimaxo4885 1 or 2 contradictions is an understatement. The Quran itself says that there are verses that are direct and others that need explanation. Since I cannot talk in easy words anymore because you're arguing back. I'll Quote instead.
"He is the One who has revealed to you the Book (the Qur’ān). Out of it there are verses that are MuHkamāt (of established meaning), which are the principal verses of the Book, and some others are Mutashābihāt (whose definite meanings are unknown). Now those who have perversity in their hearts go after such part of it as is mutashābih, seeking (to create) discord, and searching for its interpretation (that meets their desires), while no one knows its interpretation except Allah; and those well-grounded in knowledge say: “We believe therein; all is from our Lord.” Only the men of understanding observe the advice." 3:7.
He says it clearly, there are verses that are clear cut. And then there are verses that only he knows about. And those are the verses that people will confuse you with (like the guy used above, to confuse hadith as in statement of other religions and other beliefs, with the hadith of the Holy Prophet SAW). But since only Allah knows about it, and the closest person to Allah was Muhammad SAW, and the Quran says that Muhammad SAW did nothing on his own accord, then the hadith is the only explanation to those verses. And when Allah says that Quran is for the people, but then says that half of its verses are not understandable, how is a human going to understand it?. Those verses are the reason there are contradictions. And those contradictions can be easily explainable by the hadith.
To Quote you, you said I misquoted and took half of the verses. Lets take full verses and see if it changes the context.
2:191 "Kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from where they drove you out, as Fitnah is more severe than killing. However, do not fight them near Al-Masjid-ul-Harām unless they fight you there. However, if they fight you (there) you may kill them. Such is the reward of the disbelievers."
But in the same Quran
"Good and evil are not equal. Repel evil with good, and the person who was your enemy becomes like an intimate friend." (41:34)"
How does it change the context whatsoever?. Literal meanings of Quran will always have contradictions.
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As someone who used to be a Quran-only Muslim (in fact, one of my favorite tafsirs still is from reformists), I'm really looking forward to this series!
:) You used to be Quran-Only Muslim, now don't become Western-Desire-Driven Muslim. What I understand from Sahabir's short talk and from his other videos on similar issue, He has single line rule for Quran and Hadith. If hadith opposes western demand then simply reject the hadith, DISTORT verses of Quran freely and make it compatible with Western-Kuffar and Let Muslims enjoy the kuffar's world. That's it.
Diane Winchester Sunnism isn't Islam. It adds, subtracts and edits from Qur'an and you are left with totally different religion.
@@dianewinchester2930 That is not quite true. I have often found the quran only muslims to actually be more peaceful and knowledgable in interpretation. We are all entitled to our opinions however which I fully support free speech and critisicm of religion. Sunni Islam, actually doesnt promote pedophilia as there are Sunnis who reject the hadiths of Aishas age. However there are plenty of Sunnis who do not and therefore think its quite acceptable to marry a child right out of puberty ignoring any other quranic command about when a woman is ready for marriage. I do not judge all of Sunnis as alot of them have independant ideas and do not agree. I would suggest you might do the same with Quran only Muslims. Any time we start judging an entire group as the same, we are edging on bigotry.
When is this series on hadith going to be uploaded?
As salamualikum. R u waju from tamu and waju? 😃
Big fan from Bangladesh
which books did Allah decree, Seal, and Protect?
which following which enters you into Paradise?
if you servants live Quran as revealed the issues you are faced with would be resolved,
and please let Dr. Shabir Ally know he will have to answer to a tribunal in a matter of time.
The Most Exalted Voice Rhakeen Al-Kareem The Hidden Quran of Allah's SIGNS AND PRESENCE and authority.
It is VERY Clear in Quran 6:114 that for Islamic Law, Muslim must follow no any other Source except Quran; and it is very clear in 5:44 that a Person who makes Islamic Law from other Books (such as hadith Sunna etc) except Book of God is a Kaafir. So as per 5:44, a Person who follows even one extra-Quranic hadith or Sunna report is Kaafir
Allah says if any other book is not from him, within it you will find much contradiction. This is true about extra quranic hadiths. Why even accept teachings that have not been sent or authorized by Allah?
Tia Collier you are aware that the same people who gave us the Quran also gave us hadith.. there is something called isnat.
Zoaxe Mythale no it wasn’t. It existed in oral transmission. Hence the chain of narration. The Quran was also a oral transmission before being written down
@@yusufislam9886 what the hell are you talking about? “The same people who gave us the Quran also gave us hadith”. The Quran was not given by people, it was sent by God and protected according to his promises. You hadith supporters are really blind.
Do we need to filter sahih bukhary?
ah mat YES! ASAP!
ah mat.. No u don't need to unless u are a scholar of hadith tradition.. It's not a layman job..
Absolutely
@@jdmunshi2946 Only Quran is incorruptible, no where it says Hadith is.
@@ticler .. get busy with ur bong bro.. no one says all Hadith are authentic.. but we’re transmitted all through Islamic history by scholars..
Please do an extensive episode on getting a mortgage for a house while living in the West. The topic hasn't been talked about extensivly on this channel. We living in the West (who don't have shariah banks) don't want to make the wrong decision because the punishment for riba is very hard.
Also please make an episode why the hadith banning music in Bukhari is weak, as dr shabir ally claims in a previous episode about music.
Vice We are likely living for the first time on a floating fiat system. The dollar whose value has constantly been dropping is why you need some level of interest or your wealth will vanish just by sitting in a safe. Governments prefer this inflation because it forces us to spend which thus boosts the economy. Now look at us, most of us are in debt. At the prophets (pbuh) time people used commodity currencies. That means when you lent money out it didnt lose its value by the time you got it back.
The idea is not to enslave people in debt which is what our whole system is now designed to do. We need to get rid of wall street excesses and punish greed and reward charity.
Paying interest is something one does out of desperation. Receiving interest is pure usury since the lender isn't risking his/her investment in products or services of which he/she hopes to get profit from.
Why do you assume it's the same?
Thank you for your clarity.
If theres a worst innovation in Islam is the collection of hadith.. a man made book that is more sacred that it can invalidate the Quranic verses...
Please tell me when will this work be available?
What about those hadith concerning jinns.is it stated in the Quran about that mankind have a kareen in the left and an angel in the right?
I find it sad and a little funny that so many people have so much confidence in their "opinions", especially in the comment sections of Islamic lectures. The same people would mumble if asked a question on human anatomy/chemistry/medicine even though they have had an entire lifetime in the company of their own anatomy, just because you are "born" Muslim it doesn't give you the right to dabble into things and give an opinion. In respect to Hadith we have many scholars and two in particular that come to mind in the west i.e. Dr Akram Nadwi and Professor Jonathan Brown, you also have the likes of Shaykh Abu Yusuf Riyadul Haq who is a lecturer on Sahih Al Bukhari in the UK as well as well as many others. So until one becomes a "Dr" or a Professor or at least a proficient student who has studied at a recognised centre of learning, then one should not write their opinion on a matter. It's what we used to call "humility".
PS: As much as I love Dr. Shabir Ally I don't agree with his approach as would many scholars of Hadith, including the above. That's not to say we have to label or discredit Dr. Shabir but he isn't an expert on Hadith. Personally I would opt for the opinions of the above scholars who have studied that "specific" science i.e. they have done their thesis/speciality on Hadith.
Islam Explained Islam is not some sort of " scientific knowledge" that can only be studied and taught by some experts. It is not rocket science . The message is simple and clear one that was revealed to the whole of humanity to learn study and seek guidance from . It is the religious "establishment" that seeks to create an elite group of "scholarship" to ensure their control over the Muslim masses . This is why they claim to be the "experts" of Islamic knowledge . There are no experts in Islam . Knowledge can be gained by anyone that seeks it from the Quran .
Islam Explained
You should remember that when "scholars" who haven't studied biology or evolution at a recognized center of learning try to refute evolution.
Islam Explained There is no science in hadith. People say that to try and give validity to it. Did Allah authorise the need for hadith? Did the prophet authorise the making of hadith? Allah alone guides and the guidance comes in the form of Qur'an as revealed to the prophet Muhammad. Anything else after that is man made innovations. Says it is detailed and clear and complete so Qur'an explains Qur'an not any other book. Sectarians are in serious error.
haris haneef Exactly well said, Allah guides, nobody else and that is clearly communicated in the Qur'an.
Very good observation.
I wish just as much as the next person that we had reliable records of the prophet Muhammad. But sadly, we don’t. Allah did not give the job to the prophet to explain the message. The prophets only job was to be a messenger, and deliver the message. If Allah thought it was necessary to preserve the prophets sayings, he would have done so. There’s no sequel to the Quran. Allah says it’s fully detailed.
What we can see throughout the Hadith book is contradictions, rule making, and extortion of 2.5% of wealth every year. It also has self proclaimed rights on what the Quran says and how it should say it. This is clear corruption.
According to the Quran, credit to brother Sam Gerrans for going through this exhaustive work, there are many words that have been corrupted by the Hadith literature to agree with their agenda. These words are:
Salaat - Duty
Sajada - Submission
Rukuh - To be humble
Zakaat - Purity
Thumbs up so people can see/criticize/learn
Sam Gerrans is an ignorant fool.
Salah is an act of worship and proven in this verse which describes the salah of Fear which is what 1 does if in Jihad or times of great fear when 1 cannot pray the normal way:
“When you are among them, and lead them in As‑Salaah , let one party of them stand up [in Salaah with you taking their arms with them; when they finish their prostrations, let them take their positions in the rear and let the other party come up which have not yet prayed, and let them pray with you taking all the precautions and bearing arms. Those who disbelieve wish, if you were negligent of your arms and your baggage, to attack you in a single rush, but there is no sin on you if you put away your arms because of the inconvenience of rain or because you are ill, but take every precaution for yourselves. Verily, Allaah has prepared a humiliating torment for the disbelievers”
[al-Nisa’ 4:102]
So much for this idiotic claim of Salah simply meaning fulfilly ones duty.
And this idea that the Prophets job wasn't to explain the message is is beyond moronic and you'd have to be completely devoid of any intellect to actually believe such stupidity.
If we follow this line of logic - the Prophet received revelation, recited the verses to the people and that was it.
Which flies in the face of all the verses of Quran which say:
Allâh has surely blessed the believers with His favor when He raised in their midst a Messenger from among themselves, who recites to them His verses and makes them pure and teaches them the Book and the Wisdom, while they were, earlier in open error. (3:164)
He (Allâh) is the One who raised up, among the unlettered, a Messenger from among themselves who recites the verses of Allâh, and makes them pure, and teaches them the Book and the Wisdom. (62:2)
Our Lord, raise in their midst a messenger from among themselves who recites to them Your verses and teaches them the Book and the Wisdom and purifies them… (2:129)
TEACHES THEM THE BOOK AND THE WISDOM.
Kind of contradicts what you just claimed that he doesn't teach or explain anything?
And lastly, who said we don't have reliable records of Prophet Muhammad? You ignorant hadith rejecters? We have enough authentic historical records of him because his companions and wives preserved his knowledge and information on him.
Dialogue beetwen shabbir ally and edip yuksel will be fascinating.
ayyas aulia Hakim edip is knowledgeable but he isn't a good debater . So I don't think it will be that great
ayyas aulia Hakim shabir is an experienced debater . Edip is not eloquent and in many instances had failed to put his ideas out clearly . He often comes across as an aggressive and arrogant debater in my opinion though I agree with his Quran alone stance
I hope it can happen soon, In Shaa Allāh.
I love Dr Shabir Allys cogent and informed approach. I strongly recommend for Muslims to reflect on what he says.
RIP Hadith based Talmudic Islam. Welcome back the true light of Humankind of submission to God. Burn every last book of Hadith and free the Muslims.
Bartlemy beautiful
why your program is called LET THE QURAN SPEAK but you also refer the HADITH .
Does anyone else know of more Islamic speakers, debators, preachers, studiers that take a similar approach to the Quran as Shabir, or even a completely hadithless approach?
Mufti abu layth... that guy is a hoot but I think he’s very knowledgeable in this topic too... go watch the videos bukhari gate on CZcams ... it’s a 2 part series -- he doesn’t reject all hadiths but he’s very selective. Another channel is qurantalk but that one completely rejects hadith... I think a more balanced approach is best like that of dr shabbir ally and mufti abu layth ... let me know if you got this message since your question was so long ago. Best of luck
Basically he is saying that even sahih Hadith can be rejected but only people like him can tell which Hadith to follow. Nicely done sir.
Sahih means it’s correct so it can’t be rejected.
@@LeekyKale if you reject hadiths are you a kafir?
Ric Bla
Albani rejected many hadiths in Bukhari & Muslim so was he kafir?
@@ricbla3499if you reject the Quran you are a kafir.
So id a sahih hadith contradicts the quran, you must take the quran. Sounds plausible. But: how reliable are the other hadith then? If some are not reliable, the others are doubtful, too.
There are Noble Quran's that have Hadith in them where the reaffirmation of authenticity is there.. I guess with all things one must use discernment but the Noble Quran is the BEST of BOOks!!!!
Sakinah Muhammad So a book that calls to kill non-muslims, to beat wifes and that says that women's witness are half worth of the men's witness is the best of books?
And a book that says that the sun declines in the evening and runs around the earth is the best of books? This quran contains many errors, contradictions and scientific blunders.
***** I beg too differ and please cite the Surah and Ayat specifically you speak of so I can reply with clarity..Indeed the Noble Quran is the Best of Books I bare witness of this before I even practiced the beautiful way of life called Islam..Now I am proud too say I am a practicing Muslimah and also am proud too say that the Noble Quran is the Best of Books!!!
+Lecram Red I think according to Shabir Ally, when a sahih Hadith contradicts with what the America, Israel or West wants then we must keep Westerner's desire, reject hadith, and interpret (distort) verses of Quran freely in light of their desire or demands.
Correct position is that we does't care what modren/secluar/western/atheist/capitalist/thug's society wants and we take all hadith which are sound by chain and their text is free from any issue whether it displease or please the Kuffar.
TheNarrowPathWarner Brother text of Quran itself indicate necessity of Hadith. It doesn't matter when the hadith was written. Thing only matters is is the questioned hadith sound by chain or text or not. Because principally hadith is also transited in similar fashion as Quran however extent of soundness is different because number of narrators of Quran.
Im just going to only follow quran and quran alone and historical contexts of the verses and thats it. I don't need to look at any source. Its what the quran tells me to do anyway!!
When you follow HADITH you are following IMAN be it a Wahabi or shafi...etc and you're are not following Allah or his Rasool who spoke about Quran. If Allah had to emphasize his Rasool actions important to an extent of salvation from hell than Allah had done that so BUT it's not the case. My Question is if any of those 4 or 5 imams went to Madina and saw the way prayers were offering, WHY it was needed to write their own way of praying and adding the explanation of Namaz about which Allah has already mentioned in Quran.
Above all the possibilities of doubt Quran is the complete book from earth to heavens then why do we need books from imam's guiding us in the path what Allah has already made for us through his book which is QURAN.
fowad khan another a3jami layman
Quran AND Sunnah
I have never seen in the Quran, that HAdith has any authority.
who ever follow hadith is marketing their beliefs and prospering business that they claim to be a scholar. name one scholar who doesn't charge a penny for spreading the word of God, in fact, the Mosque is always in need of money
Dear Dr Shabeer Ali, I agree most of your teachin in this video, but I respect Imam Bukhari as pioneer to do research upon the hadith. Imam Bukhari made the term isnad and sanad popular. By his research he investigated the one who had the writing document of hadith, how his life, from whom the hadith he got, and how the hadith passed to him from the first source which who received directly from Propher Muhammad pbuh. What their behaviour, whether or not they had good life, practices Islam correctly, and whether or not the person ever told a lie story or not i.e the honesty of each persons. His method than followed by other hadith compiler. In their books, the hadith compiler (such as Imam Muslim, Imam Abu Dawud, Tirmidzi, Imam Ibn Al Hambal and so on) always make notes, how hadith passed from the companion incliding Prophet Muhamad's wives, person by person un to them. Because I think, everything pass to whole muslims orally or by visual example are not hadith but sunnah. Sunnah can be unpurposely or purposely change if it passes orally from one person to another, hadith can also change in its way passing to todays generation, but only by its writer.
But Imam Bukhary was still human being. Human being made mistakes. He sometimes violates his own rule. For instances, he includes chatting among companion (where prophet Muhammad as passive object) as hadith.
Hadith should have a narration as follows: first Prophet Muhammad directly said something and his companion took notes on it, second Prophet Muhammad listened chatting between his companion and gave his approval or disaproval about the chatting content, third Prophet Muhammad showed the way how to do praying, or daily activity or something specific and his companion, including Prophet's wives, saw it and took notes. The note taking could be at once or could be after they all went home. Another possibility, the companion (shahaby or disciple) who saw what was done or heard what was said by Prophet Muhammad told his wife, his children, or his disciples about it and they wrote it down as a note, and collect all notes as their own treasure. This type of narration is also included as hadith.
So, if the companion, including his wives, chatting about anything including the problem about Islam or about prophet Muhammad pbuh personally but did not mention about Prophet Muhammad opinion about that matters should not be called hadith it could be included in history or biography or as closed companion of Propher Muhammad opinion or tafseer or decision. Unfortunately, some of Shahih Bukhari content, including this type of narration as hadith. As example the ones was come from Hurairah ra and Aisha ra insulted Islam. The mistake was possible made by the ones who passed the hadith until read by Imam Bukhari. Missread it or they made some modification from original notes or another kind of mistake.
Hadith is something to be followed by all muslim as basic reference to create Islamic law, fatwa or to be followed in daily life activity, the companion chatting or personal opinion or tafseer is not a must. You are allowed to follow if you comfortable to do so but you don't have to. They were human being, they didn't received any revelation, they could make mistake, eventhough they probably often being around while Prophet Muhammad pbuh still alive. Either as history, biography or as personal.opinion of the companion should follow the rule of isnad to be trusted. Who passed the story to us. So that, I suggest the hadith scholar all over the world gather to separate from the books of hadith shahih which hadith that actually from Prophet Muhammad pbuh and the narration that actually came from the companion without involving proohet Muhammad actively to say it, to agree or disagree, to witness it, to show. The first part is hadith. The second part could be composed in a book as a lower level sources as opinions of the companions (shahaby), history biography or story as long as follow true the rule of sanad. .
Blind faith. If hadiths are so important, why isn’t it mentioned in the quran to follow them? One would think if they were so important, god would’ve told us to follow them. You cannot prove that the hadiths are what the prophet actually said. 7 generations after the prophet passed away, they were written down, and you expect them to be accurate? They are a man made book.
The verse that says obey the messenger are only for the people in his time, since we have no actual way of knowing what he said.
The Quran also says that it is fully detailed, therefore no need for ahadith
Messenger means message = Quran. There is a difference between Messenger and Prophet. The Quran has always been enough. Go to learn your religion.
Shibir Ally is a great scholar!
The following and accepting of hadith other than the Hadith of Allah is in my opinion a "Shirk" a "biddah." Answer this question- If it were not for the Quran, would Allah have sent the Final Messenger? Was Rasool-Allah sent to Deliver the Book, Al-Quran as well as his own hadith/sayings/tales/stories?
The Ultimate statement on whether we should accept and follow man-made hadith rests solely on what Allah swt tells us in the Quran!
In several places Allah uses statements like this:
77:50 " In what hadith after this will you believe "
Also, Woe unto those who take hadith other than the Hadith of Allah.
Also, Allah has produced the "Best Hadith." A Book fully consistent with itself! (i.e The Quran needs no outside sources to explain it). The Quran is written in a clear precise "Araby mubeen."
Woe unto those who exchange false hadith for petty gains! ( Yes, they used to buy and sell sayings reportedly spoken by the Prophet. The enemies of Islam introduced their corrupt ideas by passing off false hadith as Gospel truth- We all know about the Gospels!).
Shall i seek for a judge other than Allah?
Allah is Judge and Jury and takes our souls back.
Man made hadith collated at least 2 centuries after the passing of Rasool- Allah is the cause of the demise of Islam. The Deen of Allah has been replaced by the religion of Bokhari et al!
The Sahaba used to avoid man made hadith. There beautiful reply would be "Hasbuna Khitab-Allah" meaning Sufficient for us, is the Book of Allah. We should take a lesson from the Sahaba and more so from Al-Quran.
Did not the Prophet order the burning of all sayings other than Divine Revelation? I am sure this is so. I had someone tell me that yes he did order this but it was so people wouldnt get confused with Quran!!!! Astaq firrullah. Was this scholar telling me that the verses in the Quran where Allah challenges anyone to write a verse like it, were now being matched by man-made hadith!!
Some of you will come at me and say well, if we reject hadith then how will we know how to pray? How will we know how to clean our bum (Sorry for this, but this was stated to me by a so called Imam). Out of all the hadith you will not find one universal method of prayer!! FACT! As for cleaning your bum, seriously! If you need to be told how to clean your bum, you should be ashamed of yourself.
GO TO THE QURAN, THE BEST HADITH, READ IT AND GET YOUR ANSWERS FOR YOURSELF. Don't be fooled by the English translations that misguide us. They use words like "tales" or "discourse" when Allah clearly states "hadith".
Hadith that did not fix with the teaching of Quran just skip....
To me Quran is not the only source of information but it is the ONLY law book. If someone tells me that as a woman I am not allowed to dance or sing because it is prohibited in Sahih Ahadith, I will not accept it at all. God has preserved Quran from change for a reason and in my opinion, the protection was to avoid people adding man made rules to the religion
. I'm sure the prophet PBUH had a lot of good teachings and some of them are in hadith but honestly no one can deny that the extremism is mostly comming from Ahadith. And it is really hard to convince some people that what they are saying has nothing to do with Islam. When they kill apostates and ex muslims, others are entitled to call it terrorism. And how can we defy our religion? There's nothing good with a religion that is against normal things like music, dancing, normal relationships between men and women and unfortunately this is how muslims are viewing Islam and take people away from the religion.
You misunderstood The Qo'raan The Perfect Word of Allaah❤❤❤, The Almighty.
To follow self written hadith is SHIRK SHIRK SHIRK. A3oudoulillaah. ❤❤❤
Khadija Benassou But Allah says follow Allah and the Messenger...
Khadija Benassou how do we follow the Messenger?
@@yusufislam9886 To follow The Mesagge of Allaah❤❤❤, is to follow The Qo'raan The Perfect Word of Allaah❤❤❤ The Almighty
Bughari, Muslim and others lived more than 200 years after the death of the prophet. D't Allaah❤❤❤ tell us to follow the books of them?? They add things to Islaam The Perfect Religion of Allaah❤❤❤ The Alknown.
This is SHIRK SHIRK SHIRK No doubt about it.
So why are you writing this comment then? Isn’t it your hadith? You prefer your own hadiths over those of the Prophet?!
@@Andalusian_
What???
So who decides which content of Hadith's to fallow and which not, we will then be prone to Cherry picking , based on time place and circumstances, it becomes convenient then
Eeey yop.
Hadith and Bible were compiled the same way.
I find it strange after 1400yrs we want to contest the validity of the hadith. What the modern scholars r saying that the PROPHET PBUH teachings r questionable. He spoke the truth and the sahabahs recorded what he taught. Why r the scholars selecting only certain hadith and contesting. The PROPHET PBUH always spoke the truth and he was guided by ALLAH SWT.
This is not a new movement, there were muslims scholars in the 800s AD that rejected the validity of ahadith
No matter how knowledgeable this guy is but one thing is for sure, and that is he is very immodest and also goes against the teaching of Quraan and Hadith. By talking to a non mahram and that too without hijab.
It's really very shameful act.
He should Avoid it.
Syed Muhammad Tawheed people like you bring disgrace to Islam.
This is his daughter.
@@ilmashallahaleemsyed1907 oh...
If she is his daughter then it's ok. But I've seen others girls as well beside her. Are they his daughters too?
@@abdulrashidkhan2196 First learn the Potentials of Islam from the Authentic sources (Maariful Qura'an & Riyadh us Saliheen) and from the Erudite and renounced Scholars.
Shabbir Ally,he himself staunch follower of hadith that too fabricated hadees as he removed his moustache.
Would you marry me Aisha?
Go away with your evil teachings from the evil spirit in the cave of Hira. Those evil teachings have made humanity suffer for a long time. In my country we have suffered a lot because of these teachings.
Oh yeah so evil, causing the suffering of humanity wolrdwide. Thats why there are billions of people who follow it. Islam has pulled me away from Satanism & Witchcraft, literal evil spirits. Ive even walked away from my life of crime. What an evil thing to teach!!!
Can you imagine how much suffering women went thru in history of Islam because not the Hadith's, millions and millions of women suffer , and now shabir says they shot have not taken Hadith too seriously, give me brake stop sanitising Islam, you are not helping the world to become a better place, so sad