Is Academic Scholarship on Hadith Legitimate | Dr. Shabir Ally
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- In this video, learn about academic scholarship on #hadith. Dr. Shabir Ally offers backgrounders on major Western scholars on hadith, including Ignac Goldziher, Joseph Schacht, G. H. A. Juynboll, Andreas Gorke, Harald Motski and Gregor Schoeler. He explains why their results were damaging to popular Muslim perceptions of hadiths: Muslims had been accustomed to treating hadiths as if they were sacrosanct, like the #Quran, so it alerted them to the idea that perhaps some hadiths were not from the Prophet (peace be upon him). He explains what role #Muslims scholars have played in getting rid of fabricated hadiths, including Mohammad Hashim Kamali and Dr. Yuquf al-Qaradawi. He expresses optimism that scholars today can compile new collections of hadiths that we can feel confident about and that will guide us in our daily lives.
This video is part 4 of our series, CAN WE TRUST HADITH?
Coming up soon: Can Ordinary Muslims Judge Hadiths?
Part 1: The Anatomy of Hadith: • The Anatomy of Hadiths...
Part 2: The Rise of Hadith Forgery: • The Rise of Hadith For...
Part 3: Problems Arising from Weak or False Hadiths: • Problems Arising from ...
0:00 Introduction
1:32 How did Western scholars approach the hadiths?
9:21 Were their criticisms damaging to hadith sciences?
12:51 What role can Muslim scholars play in weeding out fabricated hadiths?
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Assalam alaikum!
I very much appreciate your honest and open look at Islam, it's history and texts. Very refreshing!
Please could you advise me any English language books which explain Ahadith and Isnaad(s) for those of us who are exploring Islam?
Thank you!
Use this handy guide to easily dispute every normative claim Islam makes that violates modern liberal secular values. Using these rebuttals, you can justify virtually anything and make it seem like the Islamic scholarly tradition is on your side!
With this guide you can undermine those pesky traditional Muslims and champion your reform Islam all the while coming across as a nuanced, learned scholar in your own right.
Traditionalist: “There is consensus on this topic.”
Modernist Rebuttal: “Actually, consensus is a highly contested issue.”
Traditionalist: “These narrations are mutawatir.”
Modernist Rebuttal: “Actually, tawatur is a highly contested issue.”
Traditionalist: “This is the relied upon view of the four sunni schools.”
Modernist Rebuttal: “We don’t have to limit ourselves to the schools because we live in a different context today.”
Traditionalist: “This is an established position in one school.”
Modernist Rebuttal: “Well, the majority of scholars say otherwise, so we can trash the minority position.”
Traditionalist: “This is the majority position.”
Modernist Rebuttal: “Well, there is a minority position that says otherwise, so we can safely ignore the majority.”
Traditionalist: “This ayah is qat`i.”
Modernist Rebuttal: “No it’s not.”
Traditionalist: “This hadith is unequivocal.”
Modernist Rebuttal: “But it is an ahad hadith, so we can safely ignore it.”
Traditionalist: “This is the strongest position within the school.”
Modernist Rebuttal: “But there is a solitary narration relaying the statement of a Sahabi that contradicts that position, so we can safely ignore it.”
Traditionalist: “Most of the tafasir on these ayat convey the same interpretation.”
Modernist Rebuttal: “Yeah, but there is one tafsir that says something slightly different, so that proves that the other tafasir are the result of cultural bias.”
Traditionalist: “The fuqaha are agreed on this.”
Modernist Rebuttal: “The fuqaha are limited in their knowledge of hadith. We have to look at what the muhaddithun said.”
Traditionalist: “The muhaddithun are agreed on this.”
Modernist Rebuttal: “The muhaddithun are limited in their knowledge of fiqh. We have to look at what the fuqaha said.”
Traditionalist: “The fuqaha and the muhaddithun are agreed on this.”
Modernist Rebuttal: “But we live in a different context, so our own ijtihad is necessary. Islam is a living tradition, etc.”
See how easy it is to weasel your way out of anything and everything? When you aren’t beholden to standards of consistency and basic intellectual honesty, you can justify pretty much anything and look good doing it! Enjoy!
So why aren’t more scholars shedding light on this issue? This is literally so important and can turn the tide... are they so insecure that their understanding will be questioned because we are now doing a double take on these traditions? It seems like Islam was also hijacked by scholars, but they’re also the ones accusing the Bible of that. I’m so confused!
You are correct. Quranic Islam was hijacked and we have been taken away from the Quran.
Please see the book CONSPIRACIES AGAINST THE QURAN By Dr Abdul Wadud. It is an eye opener.
The Golden Age of Islam occurred because the Muslims truly adopted the Message of the Quran. Today we have turned Deen Islam into Mazhab. Nowhere in the Quran will you find Allah swt using the word Mazhab!
It's the polticalism of it that exists within it, the suggestion to reform the tradition that has been used to elucidate the hadeeth is part of a system that has existed for hundreds upon hundreds of years, challenges not only the correctness of practices and attitudes, but the very status quo upon which hinges the authority and dignity of these sheikh and scholars who are used being the top of the muslim world.
@@zydhas2838I can't really grasp it, don't we already have the sahih bujhari and muslim for example, aren't these quit confident enough to present, why weed out more and compile in new publication as dr. Shabir ally suggested
@@kennethwilliams4371because unfortunately even sahih bukhari has problems. I would suggest to watch mufti abu layth's videos on this. If you're further interested, you can watch his respectful discussion with dr majid who disagrees with him to know the perspectives of both differing scholars.
Jazakallah Dr Shabir as always. Absolute legend.
Dr. Shabir Ally, Masha Allah, your channel attracts many non-believers. What a success!
Masha'Allah
Hello Ultra Pearl, It is important to keep learning. Please do not think affluence is a reflection of acceptance. Quite the contrary, it explains more of this ill faith theology and Dogma. You would be amazed in reading the angels such as John's, much more wisdom. The truth will set you free. Come to Jesus.
What is concerning is that like most things in Islam, Muslims are cherry picking what suits their agenda and then base their faith thereon instead of seeing it for what is written. Sahih means authentic doesn't it? So why cherry pick if the literature in found authentic?
@@ish8891 so you believe the Sahih hadith where your prophet calls black people raisin heads?
@@fataltruth6000 I agree
Thank you for your inspired insight. I just watched this for a second time since it is so important. I look forward to the next installment. As a new revert (2017) I have been confused and challenged with the Hadith. Many times on my journey brothers or sisters have given me advice based on Hadith that I later found out, after talking to my Imam, that they are not authentic or at least questionable. This series is most helpful. Jazakallahu khayr!
@Dark Dawgs, please read, study and follow the Quran. Any hadiths that contradict the Qur'an and its spirit, reject them, because they are false. In fact the safest way to go is to follow the Quran alone.
@@hassanabdur-rahman1559thank you! As a born, coming-of-age Muslim, I've recently challenged with this also
Thanks for shedding light and may Allah reward you.
Very helpful. The Study Quran only refers to Ignac Goldziher's classification. Dr Shabir tells us more and points to the way forward. The term 'Orientalist' should be deprecated.
MALAY SUBTITLES Part 4 of 4
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Dan ditambah, pada masa ini kita bersenjata dengan komputer.
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Anda tahu, jika anda memikirkan bagaimana pendahulu kita
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dalam iman itu berhasil dengan pen dan dakwat dan, anda tahu, cadar
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dan semua itu, dan bagaimana mereka membawa sejumlah besar.
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Sekarang tugas kita mudah kerana kita mempunyai sistem komputer.
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Semua hadis sebenarnya telah didigitalkan,
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mereka ada dalam bentuk e-bentuk.
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Sangat mudah untuk membandingkan, dan membezakan, dan memilih,
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dan potong dan tampal, dan sediakan penerbitan baru
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yang akan memberi sekurang-kurangnya populis Muslim,
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satu set hadis yang mereka boleh yakin,
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bahawa ini tidak bermasalah,
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mereka sesuai dengan masa dan tempat kita,
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ini akan menjadi sumber,
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dan jumlah yang berguna untuk membimbing kami
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dalam kehidupan seharian kita sebagai umat Islam. - Kami akan membiarkannya.
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Lain kali Apabila kita meneruskan siri kita, kita akan melihat
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bagaimana umat Islam biasa dapat mendekati Hadis
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dan menerapkannya dalam kehidupan mereka.
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Terima kasih Dr Shabir.
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- Sama-sama.
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- Lihat Safiyyah, peti masuk saya penuh.
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Saya mempunyai soalan daripada penonton kami.
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- Wow, itu agak banyak. - Yeah.
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Soalan anda keluar dari telinga saya.
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- Itulah sebabnya kita mendapat sesuatu
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sungguh menarik dirancang untuk anda.
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A dan siaran langsung CZcams
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Anda boleh menyertai kami secara langsung dan Dr.Shabir
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akan menjawab soalan anda semasa mereka masuk.
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- [Dr.Shabir] Acara ini akan bermula
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pengaturcaraan Ramadan khas kami,
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serta kempen penggalangan dana kami.
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- Semuanya berlaku pada hari Ahad, 4 April,
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pada 12:00 PM. Timur di saluran CZcams kami, Quran Speaks.
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- Dan itu tepat sebelum Ramadan.
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Saya tidak sabar untuk melihat soalan apa yang akan kami terima.
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- Saya juga, akan senang berbual dengan anda,
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dalam masa nyata.
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- [Dr.Shabir] Langgan dan aktifkan pemberitahuan anda,
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supaya anda tidak terlepas acara ini.
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(muzik optimis)
ALLAH BLESS YOU ALL AMEEN
How can I ask a question to Dr shabir ally?
Much Love Dr Shabbir Ally ❤️❤️❤️
By the way why Sura 4:157 is controversial?
Alhamdulillah Islam was given and completed. It was kept and preserved.Nobody can take that away.
How about the Ahal Al Kalam and the Muatazilin. They were Muslims in the beginning of the Islamic era that questioned Hadith?
I hope this can help the people calling Dr. Ally a heretic, rethink their approach. Muslims deserve to know the background of these important questions.
wahhabis/salafis call everyone a heretic. Their movement is imploding lol
@@hiddenwobbler9890 , is there ever a time when the salafis were at peace lmao?
Now you have more sources to makes videos 😁
Tell me how do you earn doing this ???
He's more of a heretic for preferring secular law in a modern context to Sharee'ah
Very ma sha ALLAH sharing
MashaAllah, this word cannot be used with "very". If you use "very", the word sounds ridiculous.
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A wonderful series.
I haven’t heard yet about disputed claims that either the Prophet, Abu Bakr and/or Omar forbade the writing of Hadith. As a non-Arab revert, it is obvious that Hadith contain some true and surely some lies. The best lies contain some truth. It is best to discard them as ‘archaic Arabic politics’, and accept the Qu’ran alone and determine how to best live in our times.
Interesting idea, refine the Hadith, again. Given that the standard narrative about the Hadith is that only just over 7,000 were kept out of over 600,000 collected. Besides I thought that the current collection had already been graded as weak vs strong. Nice discussion, though.
Ma sha allah brother Shabir
So why don’t we have contemporary hadith compilations of authentic hadith?
Loving these videos. I haven't heard of orientalists. Interesting
MALAY SUBTITLES Part 2 of 4
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dan mengesan asal-usulnya.
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Dan selalunya hadis dapat ditelusuri kembali ke pautan biasa.
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Jadi, jika anda mempunyai sejumlah rantai yang muncul,
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katakanlah Nabi saw,
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kononnya memberitahu sesuatu kepada seseorang,
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dan kemudian orang itu memberitahu satu orang
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yang kemudian memberitahu satu orang,
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baiklah kita mempunyai satu rangkaian perawi
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mengaitkan satu ucapan Nabi saw ini.
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Tetapi katakanlah Nabi saw,
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memberitahu dua orang, yang kemudian masing-masing memberitahu dua orang,
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yang kemudian masing-masing memberitahu dua orang.
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Jadi kita mempunyai percabangan sekarang,
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banyak rantai pencerita, pada akhirnya ia akan menjadi,
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dari dua menjadi empat, kemudian lapan, kemudian 16, kemudian 32.
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Akhirnya anda mempunyai 64 cawangan yang berbeza
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pada dasarnya sama sama diceritakan
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dari satu orang ke orang lain dalam rangkaian perawi.
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Oleh itu, dalam kes ini, semua rantai kembali ke belakang
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kepada Nabi Muhammad saw.
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Tetapi apa yang dijumpai oleh Juynboll ialah, dengan kebanyakan hadis,
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rantai tidak semuanya kembali kepada Nabi Muhammad,
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salam, mereka kembali kepada apa yang disebutnya
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Pautan Biasa.
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Dan dalam alat itu seolah-olah orang itu
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bertemu dengan Nabi saw,
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memberitahu satu orang, yang kemudian memberitahu satu orang,
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yang kemudian memberitahu banyak pelajarnya
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- Puan. - Dan kemudian
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peminat di luar sana.
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Jadi, apabila kita melihatnya dari hujung yang lain,
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kita melihat bahawa pelbagai rantai tidak menyatu
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kepada Nabi Muhammad saw.
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mereka bertemu dengan satu orang yang mempunyai ramai pelajar.
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Dan selalunya orang itu adalah Al-Imam Al-zuhri,
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yang meninggal pada awal abad kedua
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pada tahun 124.
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Jadi itu masih lebih dari seratus tahun
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setelah wafatnya Nabi kita, saw,
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masih kadang-kadang dikeluarkan, tetapi dengan cara ini
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mengesan semula naratifnya
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ke pautan umum, sama ada Al-Imam Al-zuhri
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dan kadang-kadang bahkan kepada seseorang yang lebih awal daripada dirinya sendiri,
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para cendekiawan lebih mendapat jaminan
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bahawa itu semua tidak dicipta seperti
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beberapa ratus tahun kemudian,
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tetapi mereka mempunyai asal usul yang lebih awal.
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- Mmh - Dan kemudian ia tidak berakhir di sana
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kerana kita mempunyai sarjana lain yang mengusahakan ini.
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Contohnya, beberapa sarjana Jerman, Gregor Schoeler,
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dan Andreas Gorke, dan Harald Motzki.
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Mereka melakukan analisis teks dan teks yang sangat terperinci
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rantai perawi teks Hadis.
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Dan mereka lebih banyak lagi
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keadaan yakin bahawa mereka boleh sampai
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dengan lebih yakin
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penilaian hadis
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kerana mereka dapat mengesan beberapa naratif kembali
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ke pautan biasa yang lebih awal.
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- Puan. - Dan kerja mereka melibatkan
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bukan hanya melihat rantai naratif,
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tetapi melihat naratifnya sendiri,
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dan lihat bagaimana naratif dapat berkembang
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dari satu generasi ke generasi yang lain.
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Dan dengan kerja keras ini lagi,
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mereka dapat menunjukkan lebih yakin pada hadis,
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jauh lebih banyak daripada yang dilakukan oleh Joseph Schacht satu generasi yang lalu.
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- Mmh, saya melihat banyak sarjana ini bercakap
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teksnya, dan itu tidak mencukupi
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analisis teks yang dilakukan oleh para sarjana ini pada masa lalu,
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para sarjana Islam pada masa lalu.
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- Ya, jadi salah satu
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cara melihat hadis dan menilai itu
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adalah dengan melihat kandungan ini,
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Hadis itu sendiri, seperti teksnya,
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apa sebenarnya yang dikatakan ini?
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Jadi, seseorang memberitahu orang lain memberitahu orang lain
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bahawa Nabi saw, berkata X.
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Begitu juga X yang kita bimbangkan
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yang disebut teks, teks ini yang ada
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dihantar dari satu orang ke orang lain.
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Oleh itu, apa yang dinyatakan dalam teks ini?
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Dan dalam keadaan sosial apa yang sesuai?
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Dan fungsi apa yang dilakukan pada masa itu?
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Katakan seseorang mencipta teks.
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Atas sebab apa, tujuan apa?
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Apa yang disajikan pada masa itu?
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Apa keperluan masa yang muncul
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kepada orang yang mencipta teks seperti ini?
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Jadi analisis teks yang teliti ini digabungkan dengan
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isnad, atau rangkaian perawi
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menganalisis isnad atau rantai bersama teks.
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Inilah yang digemari oleh para sarjana Harald Motzki
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telah melakukan.
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- Mmh, jadi Dr.Shabir, adakah anda berfikir bahawa
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kritikan ini merosakkan ilmu hadis?
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- Baiklah, ya dan tidak.
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Sekiranya kita boleh mengatakan ya itu merosakkan
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kepada persepsi tradisional Muslim
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bagaimana hadis harus dipertimbangkan,
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kerana selama beratus-ratus tahun sebelum itu,
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Umat Islam telah terbiasa dengan adil
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menerima hadis sebagaimana adanya,
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mengambil Corpus sebagaimana adanya, kitab-kitab utama Hadith
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dan memperlakukan mereka seolah-olah seperti suci,
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Isn't it already done, I don't know what more need to do, isn't sahih Bukhari already good enough?
Shabir ali how do u pray?how do u pay zakah?how can u compute inheritance?
Do you need a hadith that shows you how many times to chew your food, too?
@@specialagentorange4329 counting how many times you chew your food is not the same as how much percentage you need to pay for zakat or how much inheritance should 1 take after the death of parents or what action would a muslim do during prayer.
Your argument is so shallow and childish.
@@luisgatmaitan512you think 2.5% is eternally applicable?
Qurans guidance is eternal. There are many many verses regarding charity. Yet you need a specific %? The hadith method is flawed, it doesnt take into account inlation and purchasing power. Quran states to give as much as you can and as often as you can and from the excess so its not a burden. Today muslims wait till end of year for 2.5%. Didnt the hadith state zakaat in gold and silver? What happened to that?
this show is awesome
MALAY SUBTITLES Part 1 of 4
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Dr Shabir, selamat datang di "Biarkan Al-Quran Bercakap".
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- Saya gembira dapat berada di sini.
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- Kami meneruskan siri hadis kami.
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Dan sekarang kita akan melihat apa biasiswa akademik
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dan khususnya Orientalis,
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telah mengatakan mengenai Hadis dan cara bertindak balas
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kepada kritikan tersebut.
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Oleh itu, Dr. Shabir, apa yang telah berlaku
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kritikan utama Orientalis.
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Jadi saya faham bahawa mereka adalah yang paling kuat, menentang,
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mereka adalah individu yang paling kuat
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yang nampaknya menentang Hadis.
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- Ya, jika anda tidak keberatan, saya rasa sedikit latar belakang
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sebelum Orientalis datang ke tempat kejadian
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mungkin penting di sini. - Baik.
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- Oleh itu, Hadis dikumpulkan dalam buku-buku utama
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pada sekitar abad ketiga era umat Islam.
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Dan selepas itu, biasiswa Muslim
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cenderung menerima buku-buku utama ini sebagai sahih.
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Mereka menggolongkannya sebagai buku yang sahih.
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Sahih al-Sittah menjadi istilah umum di kalangan umat Islam
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merujuk kepada enam buah buku sebagai sahih.
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Dan selama berabad-abad kemudian para sarjana
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menulis ulasan mengenai buku-buku ini.
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Oleh itu, kita mempunyai ulasan
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"Sahih Al-Bukhari" oleh Ibn Hajar Al-Asqlani.
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Kami mempunyai ulasan mengenai "Sahih Muslim"
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salah satu koleksi hadis yang lain,
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salah satu buku hadis lain oleh Imam al-Nawawi.
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Dan kita mempunyai cendekiawan
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yang berfikir secara teori mengenai Hadis seperti Ibn al-Salah,
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dan mereka menulis buku dan jilid tentang ini,
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mempertahankan hadis dan memberi jaminan kepada umat Islam
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bahawa kita tahu hadis-hadis ini,
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kita faham semuanya, ini adalah hadis sahih,
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inilah yang kita ikuti.
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- [Dr. Safiyyah] Mmh.
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- Jadi, datanglah Orientalis.
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(Safiyya terkikik) Baiklah
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dengan Renaissance Eropah
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para cendekiawan mula-mula melihat agama Yahudi dan Kristian.
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Mereka mempelajari Alkitab secara terperinci dan mereka menggunakan semua
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alat sejarah kritikal moden
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bahawa mereka dapat menguasai,
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dan mereka membawa kesaksian ini kepada Perjanjian Lama dan Baru
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dan mengenai sejarah dogma Kristian.
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Dan mereka cuba menguraikan dan menguraikan bagaimana,
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tidak dengan niat buruk,
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kebanyakan dari mereka adalah Yahudi dan Kristian sendiri,
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tetapi mereka berusaha untuk mencapai perkara yang paling penting
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dari sudut sejarah,
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melihat semuanya dengan mata kritikal
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bukannya melalui mata iman.
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- Puan.
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- Dan ketika mereka telah melakukan banyak pekerjaan ke arah itu
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akhirnya sebahagian dari mereka berpaling ke arah
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akidah Islam juga.
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Dan mereka ingin mempelajari Al-Quran, sejarahnya,
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mereka ingin mengkaji hadis dan riwayatnya,
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mereka ingin mengkaji sejarah dogma Muslim dan sebagainya.
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- Begitu juga dengan terjemahan yang baik
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kerja yang mereka buat, anda tahu,
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dengan sumber Kristian dan Yahudi
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dan kemudian menerjemahkannya kepada analisis hadis mereka.
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- Nah yang menjadi topik kontroversi
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di kalangan umat Islam, tetapi dari sudut pandangan mereka,
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mereka sebahagian daripada komuniti ilmiah,
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dan itu, anda tahu, sedang membuat kajian
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dan mereka menerbitkan kajian mereka
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dalam jurnal yang dikaji rakan sebaya, untuk diuji dan disahkan
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dan sama ada diakui atau ditolak oleh sarjana lain
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yang berkebolehan sama.
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Dan, mereka menggunakan kaedah yang
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biasa diterima antaranya
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untuk mengkaji karya sastera atau sejarah,
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sama ada sejarah dan sastera Muslim,
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Sejarah atau sastera Kristian,
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Sejarah atau sastera Yahudi,
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Sejarah atau sastera Buddha dan sebagainya.
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Jadi, dari sudut pandangan mereka ada yang berusaha
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yang terbaik untuk mereka menggunakan kaedah neutral
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dan untuk mengelakkan bias dan menggunakan mata kritikal
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untuk memeriksa perkara dan kembali kepada asal-usul perkara.
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- Jadi mari kita mulakan dengan mana-mana sarjana ini,
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mungkin Joseph Schacht, dan anda boleh memberitahu saya apa
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hujah utamanya adalah.
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- Ya, jadi Joseph Schacht dan sebelum dia Ignac Goldziher
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berpendapat bahawa, pada dasarnya hadis-hadis itu
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diciptakan oleh orang Islam sendiri
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untuk membenarkan amalan tertentu.
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Mereka tidak mempunyai maklumat yang boleh dipercayai
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dari Nabi Muhammad saw,
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kerana dia sudah lama mati pada waktu orang datang
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dengan hadis, beberapa generasi kemudiannya
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dalam masa dan keadaan baru.
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Oleh itu, mereka mencipta sesuatu untuk membuktikan perkara-perkara tertentu.
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- Adakah anda fikir masuk akal, hujah mereka?
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- Nah, Joseph Schacht tidak mempunyai kata terakhir mengenai ini,
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kerana ulama lain datang setelahnya
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dan mereka tidak begitu ragu dengan hadis,
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- Baik. - Sebagai contoh,
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G.H.A. Juynboll, dan dia telah melakukan banyak kajian
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dan dia mengambil lebih banyak jalan tengah
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dalam menerima bahawa kita dapat mempelajari hadis-hadis ini
Hadith has corrupted the words of Allah!
@I agree with you, but read Quran and you will find the answer.
MALAY SUBTITLES Part 3 of 4
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hampir seperti Al-Quran.
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Oleh itu, apa sahaja yang datang dari sana, kami mengambilnya.
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Sudah tentu selalu ada dikotomi
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antara pengetahuan ilmiah dari buku-buku hadis ini
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dan pengetahuan orang ramai.
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Orang jahat hanya di sini hadis yang dipilih.
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Katakan seorang sarjana sedang membaca buku hadisnya,
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dia sedang menyediakan nota untuk memberikan khutbah,
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dan dia menjumpai sebuah hadis yang baginya kelihatan bermasalah,
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nampaknya semuanya betul mengenai perkara ini.
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Atau, dia merasakan bahawa ini tidak akan diterima dengan baik.
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Jadi apa yang dia lakukan ialah dia membiarkannya sahaja.
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Dia memilih dari, anda tahu, ia seperti gudang,
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dia hanya dapat mengambil apa yang dia perlukan.
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Dia memilih apa yang dia perlukan untuk membentuk khotbah yang baik,
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dan dia menyampaikannya kepada orang ramai.
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Apabila orang ramai mendengarnya, semua yang mereka dengar adalah hadis
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yang telah dipilih dengan teliti
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dan itu tidak bermasalah.
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- Puan. - Dan mereka mendapat kesan,
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orang ramai mendapat gambaran bahawa hadis itu baik,
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itu sahaja yang kita tahu.
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Setiap hadis yang pernah kita dengar adalah baik.
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Jadi, ia mengatakan tidak ada masalah dengan Hadis.
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Sekarang, ketika para sarjana Orientalis ini mula bekerja
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dengan cara mereka bekerja dan menerbitkan hasilnya,
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ini menyebabkan rona dan tangisan yang hebat.
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Oleh itu, ini adalah, di satu pihak,
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kita boleh mengatakan bahawa ia merosakkan persepsi orang Islam itu
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bagaimana hadis harus dirasakan.
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Tetapi sebaliknya, sebahagian karya ini bermanfaat
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kerana itu memberi amaran kepada umat Islam akan idea itu
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bahawa mungkin kita secara tidak sengaja menyebarkan ucapan,
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seperti sabda Nabi Muhammad saw,
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sedangkan, itu bukan benar-benar ucapannya,
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mereka mengatakan orang dari beberapa generasi selepasnya,
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atau kadang-kadang, bahkan ucapan dari generasi awal,
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tetapi mereka sebenarnya bukan ucapan Nabi Muhammad,
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salam sejahtera.
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Mungkin itu pepatah seorang sahabat Nabi
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yang secara tidak sengaja mendapat kembali arah retro
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seolah-olah ini adalah sabda Nabi.
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Dan anda akan dapati sebenarnya dalam kajian hadis hari ini,
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katakanlah para ulama hadis berurusan dengan sebuah pepatah
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yang sangat popular di kalangan umat Islam,
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atau untuk satu sebab atau yang lain,
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dianggap bermanfaat untuk menggunakannya sebagai asas
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untuk undang-undang Islam, dan yang terbaik yang dapat mereka lakukan adalah mengesannya
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kepada seorang sahabat Nabi saw.
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Sekarang, jika pepatah itu ada kaitan dengan sesuatu
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katakan kehidupan di sini selepas,
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mereka akan berkata, walaupun ia berlaku kepada sahabat
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Nabi, tidak mungkin perkara semacam itu
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bahawa rakan itu akan mencipta sendiri.
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- Puan. - Jadi dia mesti mendapatkannya
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dari Nabi saw.
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Itulah satu-satunya sebab dia tidak akan menceritakan perkara ini.
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Oleh itu, hadis ini dapat dirawat
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sebagai pepatah Nabi, saw.
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Dan itu hari ini.
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Itulah hari ini para sarjana melakukan ini.
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Jadi, jika ini adalah jenis andaian kerja
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bahawa para ilmuan bersedia menjalankan,
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dan sekarang, anda boleh bayangkan pada masa lalu juga,
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bahawa orang kadang-kadang mungkin mengaitkan sesuatu
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kepada Nabi saw, bahawa dia tidak mengatakan.
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Oleh itu ... - Apa pendapat anda,
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apakah peranan anda yang boleh dimainkan oleh para sarjana Islam
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dalam membantu memperbaiki keadaan ini,
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dan menghilangkan hadis-hadis palsu?
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- Baiklah, beberapa sarjana Muslim telah menggunakan pemikiran mereka
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mengenai masalah ini.
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Dan salah seorang sarjana tersebut adalah Kamali Hashim.
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Bukunya berjudul "Metodologi Hadis,"
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telah diterbitkan semula di United Kingdom.
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Saya mula-mula membeli salinan di Malaysia, mungkin sedekad yang lalu.
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Dan buku itu telah diterbitkan semula,
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pertama kali diterbitkan di Malaysia kini diterbitkan semula
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oleh Pusat Islam di Markfield di United Kingdom,
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dan diberi tajuk baru, "Buku teks pengajian Hadis."
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Sekiranya, hingga akhir mungkin bab terakhir buku itu
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memberikan cadangan bagaimana kita terus maju dengan kajian hadis,
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dan profesor mereka Hashim memetik beberapa sarjana penting
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seperti Dr. Yusuf al-Qaradawi, yang mengatakan bahawa
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sekarang kita perlu kembali melihat Corpuses of Hadith,
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koleksi Hadis yang kita ada,
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dan kita harus membuat kajian baru yang akan
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pilih dari Corpuses the Hadiths yang boleh kita sampaikan
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kepada orang ramai sebagai hadis yang kami rasa yakin.
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Jadi kerja itu perlu dilakukan.
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- Kedengarannya seperti tugas yang sangat menakutkan.
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- Ini tugas besar,
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tetapi kami mempunyai pengetahuan ilmiah di luar sana.
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Bukan saya sendiri, saya hanya pelajar yang hebat
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badan biasiswa, tetapi sarjana ada
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siapa yang boleh melakukan ini jika mereka bersedia,
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dan jika mereka cukup berani untuk memikul tugas itu.
Brother Shabir, why don't you debate with Imam Karim Lewis with his partner Lost Blues on Quran and Hadith. Imam Lewis did invite people of knowledge to debate with him about Hadith. Go on youtube and put the name Imam Karim Lewis. Your job as a person of knowledge should correct people when they are wrong, if Imam Lewis is wrong. The debate is a sharing of knowledge and not a fight where there is a winner or loser.
Is the orientalist who does not believe in God and His Messenger and does not master the Arabic language a source from which we take our religion?
The Quran itsself commands us all to think, we should never reject any real knowledge just because of a source.
Javed Ahmed Ghamidi has so far analysed about thirty thousand Hadiths and published the results in his monthly magazine,Ishraq...
Man-made hadith are what has taken muslims away from true Deen Islam.
Javed Ghamidi is a great scholar but in order not to offend the mullah he treads a careful path.
The Quran is the Best Hadith, a Book fully consistent with itself, as it states clearly.
Let me make a prediction about this "daunting task" of revisiting the hadith collections that lies ahead of muslim scholars: the outcome will be that all more or less embarrassing hadiths will largely be dismissed as being unreliable because the starting point that Mohammed is untouchable will inevitably lead to such an outcome
Trying to out a wild fire 🔥🔥
The picture of Joseph Schacht is actually of Hjalmar Schacht, prominent German banker, Third Reich official.
How ordinary muslims can approach the hadith and apply it in their life ... I am looking forward for the episode. Thank you Dr. Shabir ...
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Traditionalist: “There is consensus on this topic.”
Modernist Rebuttal: “Actually, consensus is a highly contested issue.”
Traditionalist: “These narrations are mutawatir.”
Modernist Rebuttal: “Actually, tawatur is a highly contested issue.”
Traditionalist: “This is the relied upon view of the four sunni schools.”
Modernist Rebuttal: “We don’t have to limit ourselves to the schools because we live in a different context today.”
Traditionalist: “This is an established position in one school.”
Modernist Rebuttal: “Well, the majority of scholars say otherwise, so we can trash the minority position.”
Traditionalist: “This is the majority position.”
Modernist Rebuttal: “Well, there is a minority position that says otherwise, so we can safely ignore the majority.”
Traditionalist: “This ayah is qat`i.”
Modernist Rebuttal: “No it’s not.”
Traditionalist: “This hadith is unequivocal.”
Modernist Rebuttal: “But it is an ahad hadith, so we can safely ignore it.”
Traditionalist: “This is the strongest position within the school.”
Modernist Rebuttal: “But there is a solitary narration relaying the statement of a Sahabi that contradicts that position, so we can safely ignore it.”
Traditionalist: “Most of the tafasir on these ayat convey the same interpretation.”
Modernist Rebuttal: “Yeah, but there is one tafsir that says something slightly different, so that proves that the other tafasir are the result of cultural bias.”
Traditionalist: “The fuqaha are agreed on this.”
Modernist Rebuttal: “The fuqaha are limited in their knowledge of hadith. We have to look at what the muhaddithun said.”
Traditionalist: “The muhaddithun are agreed on this.”
Modernist Rebuttal: “The muhaddithun are limited in their knowledge of fiqh. We have to look at what the fuqaha said.”
Traditionalist: “The fuqaha and the muhaddithun are agreed on this.”
Modernist Rebuttal: “But we live in a different context, so our own ijtihad is necessary. Islam is a living tradition, etc.”
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Interesting approach there ... I will consider using them ... thank you
Stick with the Book of Allah, The Quran.
Allah does not tell you to go and start following man- made hadith, on the contrary!!
الله اکبر
Dr. Mustafa A'zami wrote amazing responses to these orientalist.
So did Jonathan Brown.
Seems like Dr. Shabir should do better research. If he did come across these books which I'm pretty sure he should have then why is he not mentioning these works that literally buried the orientalist arguments against Hadīth?
Shabir is jumping the gun here, especially in the case of Motski's and Schoeler's analysis of hadith. From reading Schoeler's work I didn't get the sense he is as much as an expert as Shabir is painting him here. At one point he confuses a narration that is well known to be from an event that happened later...Ignac Goldziher was doing the same nonsense. Is this forgiveable? Sure, but it also removes any doubt that their grasp of the hadith corpus is less than a beginner student of hadith. Also I have to question why did Schoeler choose those hadith that he selected from the collection of hadith? Why didn't he choose one that is of the Prophet pbuh in front of a group and look at the concept of mutawattir hadith? The ones he choose are historical background and as such why is he asking for such a high level evidence? Also what happens when we uncover more hadith collections from those early years? It seems like they are playing games until those manuscripts can be analyzed and published. Like the Quran before it, they will just keep changing their tone while at the same time looking for ways to confuse and fool people.
the biggest problems we have is with some hadith. so hadith are definitive not all good!
Im jealous of this father and daughter,they have so much respect for each other
ASA, any Hadith should be connected to The Quran itself. And verified through the Quran.
Dr Ally, a brilliant overview of the man-made hadith.
It is definitely a case of Chinese whispers!
In fact I would say the hadith are equivalents to the Gospels... the sayings of Mathew, Mark, Luke and John. But we don't even know who these people were and whether they wrote them at all. The Gospels are " According to John" etc etc.
The hadith were developed to take us far, far, away from the Quran. They were put together nearly 200 years after the Prophet passed away!!!
Another important fact is that at the time of Abu Bakr Siddique r a he ordered the burning of ALL hadith! So how and why did they resurface?
Conspirators got together and put together man-made sayings to take us away from the Quran. They could not destroy Islam from the outside. Instead they destroyed our Deen from the inside!
The Quran calls Itself, The Best Hadith. A Book fully consistent with Itself, i.e it needs NO OTHER SOURCES TO SUPPORT IT.
Allah swt tells us that it is written in Clear, ARABY MUBEEN.
The Quran states:
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in what hadith after this, will you believe.
It also states:
Woe unto those who exchange hadith for petty gains.
People were buying and selling hadith.
The Quran also says:
Do not go visiting the Prophet and wanting an hadith.
I have done a calculation that shows that there are 1.6 million hadith, narrated by nearly 500,000 different people. If we assume an average time of say 5min to read out a hadith, then it would have taken about 15 years, DAY AND NIGHT for the Prophet to have said and dictated all the hadith. How was this humanly possible, when the mission of Rasool to give us the Quran lasted 23 years?
We need to have Scientific and Scholarly books about the Quran. Why all this emphasis on man-made hadith???
We have lost the importance of the Quran and this is the reason why we as Muslims are not even second rate citizens!!! WE CONTRIBUTE NOTHING TO THE WORLD OR SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY. Jews are a small nation but they are a dominate force for Nobel prizes.
We lost our Islamic Golden Age!
Many many mistakes in your statement.
The verses you quote do not even speak of the Hadīth as how we have it today. Hadīth just merely means speech. The word Hadīth developed its technical meaning afterwards.
The same way Quran has been passed down from centuries to centuries. Is the very same way Hadīth has been passed down from Centuries to centuries. By way of isnād chain of narration. It has been memorised. If it is as you say that Abu Bakr R.A burned the Hadīth that was written down, then still if they memorised it then bunring it won't cause them to have completely erased from them. Same like the Quran. Both were memorised. And the Reason Abu Bakr did that is so that it does not get mixed up with the compilation of the Quran.
@@alTursi05
mmmh, interesting reply.
Your answer as to why the hadith were burnt:
" So that they didnt get mixed up with the Quran." Is the typical reply brother.
But have you not read the Quranic verses that challenge anyone to even produce one Surah like the Quran?
So you are saying that man-made hadith are of the same supreme calibre of the Quran??
So Allah swt Sent Messengers so that they could deliver there own hadith and you are saying that they were the same as the Quran?
@@user-k229 Hadīth is man-made?
The Quran itself says :
وما ينطق عن الهوى. ان هو الا وحي يوحى
Chapter 53 verses 3-4.
Translation is
And he (The Prophet Muhammad SalaLlahu alayhi wa sallam) does not speak out of desire. He speaks whatever has been revealed to him.
So Hadith is also considered as revelation as this Verse of the Quran testifies to that.
The Quran is recited revelation
The Hadith is revelation not recited (i.e in Salah)
Another difference is Quran is the revelation revealed ad verbum from Allah.
As for Hadīth it is revelation revealed paraphrased by The Prophet Muhammad SalaLlahu alayhi wa sallam.
And Allah knows best.
May Allah grant me and you guidance brother.
And guide us to his path.
@@alTursi05
Astaqfirrullah, Astaqfirrullah.
The verse you are quoting is referring to the Quranic revelation only!!
Allah swt does NOT endorse any other saying!!
77: 50
In what hadith after this ( Quran) do you believe.
Look for me on Yaum ill akhira, I pray that you will have changed your thoughts by then, insha Allah.
@@user-k229 what about verse 48 in the same chapter?
What is prostration is that?
After seeing how derogatory, dehumanizing and mysogynistic hadeeth is, how can you accept anything in these books?
You’d have to expound upon your comment because it’s merely rhetorical otherwise.
Is the ahadith supposed to conform to your liking and opinion for it to be authentic
The problem is in your understanding of hadith, not in the hadith itself
These are loaded terms and are meaningless without an objective view of morality.
What is he basically saying is that just me must get down and get away from uncomfortable Hadiths . Isn’t that censoring .? The biggest problem of prophet
Some Hadiths are sound but large majority of Hadiths are not reliable
Dr Shabir , can good non Muslims enter heaven ?
He addressed that question in this video: czcams.com/video/9VETm7VKnnQ/video.html
We'll also be releasing a new video on this question soon.
@@QuranSpeaks thank you 🙏
@@aleefmohammed244 "good" according to whom? how can anyone be good if he associate partner with god? check where you get your morality from? where you get your right, wrong, good, bad get? if no from islam you will be lost
@@aleefmohammed244 dont listen to this heretic modernist hadith rejecter.
@@CaliphForCaliphate Jews are monotheists and they don't associate partners with God. Also there are some Christians who are monotheists who reject the doctrine of the trinity and they don't associate partners with God.
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Please just follow the Quran this is confusing and pushes people away from Islam. The religion is suppose to be simple , peace
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With this guide you can undermine those pesky traditional Muslims and champion your reform Islam all the while coming across as a nuanced, learned scholar in your own right.
Traditionalist: “There is consensus on this topic.”
Modernist Rebuttal: “Actually, consensus is a highly contested issue.”
Traditionalist: “These narrations are mutawatir.”
Modernist Rebuttal: “Actually, tawatur is a highly contested issue.”
Traditionalist: “This is the relied upon view of the four sunni schools.”
Modernist Rebuttal: “We don’t have to limit ourselves to the schools because we live in a different context today.”
Traditionalist: “This is an established position in one school.”
Modernist Rebuttal: “Well, the majority of scholars say otherwise, so we can trash the minority position.”
Traditionalist: “This is the majority position.”
Modernist Rebuttal: “Well, there is a minority position that says otherwise, so we can safely ignore the majority.”
Traditionalist: “This ayah is qat`i.”
Modernist Rebuttal: “No it’s not.”
Traditionalist: “This hadith is unequivocal.”
Modernist Rebuttal: “But it is an ahad hadith, so we can safely ignore it.”
Traditionalist: “This is the strongest position within the school.”
Modernist Rebuttal: “But there is a solitary narration relaying the statement of a Sahabi that contradicts that position, so we can safely ignore it.”
Traditionalist: “Most of the tafasir on these ayat convey the same interpretation.”
Modernist Rebuttal: “Yeah, but there is one tafsir that says something slightly different, so that proves that the other tafasir are the result of cultural bias.”
Traditionalist: “The fuqaha are agreed on this.”
Modernist Rebuttal: “The fuqaha are limited in their knowledge of hadith. We have to look at what the muhaddithun said.”
Traditionalist: “The muhaddithun are agreed on this.”
Modernist Rebuttal: “The muhaddithun are limited in their knowledge of fiqh. We have to look at what the fuqaha said.”
Traditionalist: “The fuqaha and the muhaddithun are agreed on this.”
Modernist Rebuttal: “But we live in a different context, so our own ijtihad is necessary. Islam is a living tradition, etc.”
See how easy it is to weasel your way out of anything and everything? When you aren’t beholden to standards of consistency and basic intellectual honesty, you can justify pretty much anything and look good doing it! Enjoy!
This is almost exactly like what it seems with many Modernists these days!!! If they can't even trust primary Islamic sources, how on Earth are we supposed to even know what Islam is??????
@@younescontemplates2845 Simple don't take knowledge from them
@@younescontemplates2845 yeah hadiths somehow are the primary source . throw away the quran , am i right 🥱
Going by this line of reasoning, the hadiths such as in "sahih" bukhari that the prophet (nauzubillah) sexually assaulted a woman and told said woman "give yourself to me" is true because it's considered sahih. There major heavy flaws in tradition even tho said tradition has a lot of good. Don't you dare justify the disgusting evil in tradition
I don't know what Islam says about Hadith but I do know when I look at this man's eyes I would never trust him. They say the eyes are the windows of the soul and I can say that many people's eyes have shown me who is the most untrustworthy. It is rare that I have been wrong. I am sorry, but I truly do not think this man here can be trusted at all.
Unbelievable
If you you put your trust in the scholars, or apologist, then get ready for filtered information, all red flags will be removed, then your at there mercy, that's how all religions thrive, think please, thank you
Interviewer should really come in better prepared, no real scrutiny or probing. No mention of common link in Hadith, no mention in changes to Hadith content over time, no mention of political influences over Hadith collection and no mention of lack of documented narrations in the prophets era?
Their is no one God
the way you talk Hadith is as though Prophet Muhammad is more important than God himself. you have the Quran that is the word of God then why bother what his prophet says.
because he is the role model on how to be a proper muslims. His actions, words, manners are what muslims should follow. He was set as an example. It's obvious
1. Allah ordered in Quran to follow the prophet.
2. Prophet and his companions knew the meanings of the Quran better than you do
@@josipcolic5304 I am not questioning the knowledge of the Prophet and his companion and I understand that God tells us in Quran to follow the prophet. What I am saying is that we do not know the authenticity of the Hadith which has been collected for may years by many people through word of mouth. these are all stories past on by one person to another or many people and by the time we receive them it may not even be remotely similar to what the original person uttered. Hadith and stories about the the prophet saying and doing are not all reliable. people change stories to benefit their own agenda.
@@esfanintan, the Quran is transfered also by the same people in the same manner
@@josipcolic5304 It very well may be but Allah promised he would protect the Quran from corruption. He never promised that about the Hadith. All I am saying one must take Hadith with the grain of salt since they are not protected by Allah. One source like Quran is better than 10000 Hadith.
This is saddening.... what we have of our beloved prophet then? Its like the image we holding on to so dearly is dissipating. saddening...
This is untrue. Dr Shabir clearly says most of the authentic hadith are authentic, only a few went through the seive
@@Hamza00011 thank you!!! I would listen more carefully.
Don't listen to shabir. He is misguided and will misguidee others.
@@dontgetmewrong4317 oh be quiet. Everyone is misguided other than your little wahabbi sect?? Grow up and open your eyes
@@Hamza00011 and who on earth is he to determine which is authentic and which is not
For your kind information their is no One God their are many many gods w
Almost all the hadiths are perverted towards the Prophet. How can you want any part of that.
What do you mean by all the hadiths are perverted towards the prophet?
@@irfanyr they imply he’s a racist, sexist, and everything else under the sun. Just read them. They’re absolutely disgusting and shameful and should be thrown out as a text. Especially because they have nothing to do with Islam and everything to do with Judaism and Christianity.
You mean to say every Hadith and there are thousands, that they portray him that way? Please read them again. The Hadith complement the revelation but the Hadith are not revelation and that is why the science of Hadith is there to weed out the ones which are are true
The question is... why you don’t study the Quran instead of the fabricated hadiths!?!
Because he's a scholar...not you
@@oaia-mcn-429 lol 😂 That’s the most ignorant thing I’ve ever read. Hadiths are fake and fabricated. All you need is Quran.
@@ridesandshine6406 you triggered? Seems I strike a nerve 🤣
Way of transmitting hadith is the same as transmitting the Quran
If hadiths are fabricated then so is the Quran end of story you closet atheist 😂
@@oaia-mcn-429 Allah says in the Quran that the Quran is the only hadith. But you wouldn’t know that because you don’t read it or understand it. May Allah guide you.
@@ridesandshine6406 lol
O believers! Obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority among you. Should you disagree on anything, then refer it to Allah and His Messenger, if you ˹truly˺ believe in Allah and the Last Day. This is the best and fairest resolution.