The ULTIMATE Stop Block for a Miter Saw
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- čas přidán 14. 09. 2022
- A stop block should provide accurate cuts every single time. My old stop block was a complete failure. It moved too easily every time a board bumped it. I wanted to add a stop block to my miter station that was solid and accurate. I purchased the Woodpecker Stealth Stop for my miter stand. Amazon and other affiliate links are used in this description and help support this channel.
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once I started wood working I really started to appreciate the metric system.
Spread the word!
Dealing in fractions is unnecessarily difficult, error prone and slow.
I gave up fighting it as a woodworker. 😢
I love math and am very good at it…but dealing in tedious fractions when there’s a better system is just 😖
Awesome video. I did laugh that you said it didnt move a mm after complaing that the imperial measurments were on the far side
Those fold-down stop blocks are nice. I use a beefy block that stays put with a large handle and overlaps the tape for easy reference.
My station has 8' of table on both sides and I build a pair of easy to remove L-shaped 4' fences (3/4" plywood)... mainly so I can use the counter tops for other tasks or chop crooked lumber. They attach with a few 1/4-20 star knobs with just a tad of wiggle room via over sized holes in the fence. Allows me to adjust it slightly and perfectly parallel with the miter saw. A t-track runs the entire length with an imbedded Fastcap tape along its entire length directly in front of the track.
Tip when making lots of repeat cuts and you worry about the block moving... lock down another block behind it or use that Rockler t-track clamp. Twice the clamp pressure.
I have that small teflon stop block and it works fine for me. There is a small lip on the bottom side that is supposed to sit in the t-track slot (not across it like you have it). It needs to be rotated 90° from how you have it situated in order to work properly. This small lip lining up inside the t-track helps secure it better. It's definitely not as high-tech/nice as the stealth stop system, but does OK in my shop.
I was continually having issues with it. Maybe I got a dud? Also there's no way to square it up to the measurement to ensure accurate cuts either (which I failed to mention in the video). You could use a square or something, then tighten it down. But when you bump one corner, it's out of square. It just hasn't worked well for me.
@@731Woodworks You're right, it's far from a perfect solution. I guess part of it is that I rarely use my miter saw for "final" cuts . Usually do those at the table saw, so I don't need the level of accuracy you're talking about. Either way, always appreciate the information you put out! Keep it up.
I am pretty sure you are right on this topic. I made a similar one with plywood, and it’s been working fine.
I have the same one and you are right....turn it as it was intended and works more than perfectly fine. These are almost never final cuts so the original stop is just as good as anything else.
I was looking at that at the beginning of the video and thinking "He might be using that wrong".
I like when you wanted the adhesive backed tape measure to read only in imperial but when you bumbed the stop with timber and said it doesn't move at all not even a millimetre haha
lol you caught that huh
Shop Nation has some really good stop blocks. Have one and love it.
Love this! I saved $50 by buying 2 tracks, set of stops, wrench and tape instead of the kit.
They just came. I had never bought from Woodpeckers. Super thick equality track. This was a great find, thanks for the recommend, it is the best miter saw measure I have had yet.
I built a nice table in my shop for my miter saw. When it comes to the measuring tape, I did not put one down but just my tape on my side always. When I am cutting anything repeated, I have a zero clearance insert and. still use my retract measuring tape to set the stop. Another thing I did was not line of the fence with the saw fence but set it back 1/8 of an inch to allow for lumber that is warped. I take my time and use the aluminum fence on the saw to square it up. JS
This is a good looking system. Woodpeckers is always a little high, but you can be assured that you get a quality product when you order from them. This system is a bit pricey, but probably within reach for the average weekend warrior if he saves his money from recycling combined with money that he gets from Santa or begs his wife for. Thanks for the video.
Very nice upgrade! I like that just flush in the table without the back fence, and I was actually surprised at the price...it seemed pretty reasonable actually.
With the flush mount track,you can make a small backboard for a horizontal frame for long boards. Just like the horizontal fence on your miter saw. I have an overhang on my bench that I use to clamp it wherever I need it.
I am working on installing the SAME fence system to my new miter station. Thanks for the tip on opening up the stop blocks before installing. I agree that flush mount only is the best approach. I incorporated my drill press into one side as well. I also used a trick of using 4 large bolts to mount the saw portion of the table so I can precisely dial in the saw height with the 2 side tables.
I live in Lagos Nigeria and shopping on amazon is a huge problem because of delivery. As such, I have had to inprovise and design many of the tools I use myself. Now, I came up with a stop block system that works for me and has drastically improved my workflow and efficiency. When I saw this system that you have installed, it got me thinking...and thinking. When I saw how much the woodpecker system cost, it made me jump. I have solved these problems in my workshop and for less than 20 bucks (retail). I think my solution is very marketable but I have no idea how to go about monetising it. I've not shared it with anybody yet, but If you think it may be something that interests you, let's explore.
Lequse -- I will suggest to you that almost certainly Woodpeckers has patented what they've done, so, make sure you check with a patent attorney before attempting to sell any similar ideas.
Personally, I think Woodpeckers does some great stuff but they tend a lot towards gouging for everything, which puts me off using them even though I can afford it. These appear to be injection molded plastic, yet WP wants US$40 for a pair of them. I might see that price if they were aluminum, but not for plastic. For 40 bucks you should get 6, not 2, in plastic.
Sure, they came up with them, so they get to ask what they want, but I'm not paying that... not for plastic. To each their own. 😉
@@nickbrutanna9973 Thanks for this response, at least now I'm conversing with someone. So here are my responses to you.
Firstly, what I have come up with is significantly different from the woodpeckers version. It may solve the same (or some of the same) problems, but that is where the similarities end. It neither looks like nor works like the WP version and I am robustly confident that no intellectual property would be infringened. Secondly, what I'm currently using is an all metal construction and wow, it works spot on. I've just finished a project with 1004 halflap joints and ALL came out perfect. I'm sure there is a gap (pun intended) in the market for this product, just need to figure out how to reach it. Thanks for the comment and if you know someone or something, let's talk!
Furthermore, my gizmo actually happens to look like it was made by woodpeckers and it would theoretically slot into their range of products quite seamlessly. Like they have different types of squares and rules, this could be just another stopblock system!
I have this same equipment for my miter station. This is about as good as it gets. Well made and gives me my miter station back as a flat surface when I need it. Win + Win.
I installed this same system, flat like you did, a couple of months ago in my new miter saw station. Absolutely love this track and stop blocks. Very accurate every time I've used them. The fold down of the stop is a real game changer. You can put it down and square one end, put it up and cut to your final length. Very easy and repeatable. As for the clamping side a 1/4" bolt will also work for your hold downs. That's my only complaint is that I wish they would have made it fit with the normal t-track hold downs.
Nice! Looks like I've found the next "Honey, I got you flowers and some earrings" purchase
Tip: If anyone plans on flush mounting as shown here you can save a bit of cash by buying the individual parts instead of the kit. I was able to buy 2ea 4’ tracks, the stops and tape for about $50 cheaper…. If you only need one track it’ll be almost $100 cheaper than the kit.
I like the system from Wood Peckers and it’s the system I will use when I redo my miter station this year. I don’t like the need for a driver either. Hopefully at some point Wood Peckers will design a little flush mount latch that just flips up and down and latches it in place.
Looks like a nice option. I will have to look into this.
I finally got around to looking into this because I am designing a miter saw station. I saw Woodpeckers offers an inch only or a metric only tape in both left or right orientation. It looked like if you buy the kit you can only get the combo left or combo right tape. Maybe if you contacted Woodpeckers you could special order with your preferred tape. I am going to do a full 12 foot on each wing so I may just buy the parts I need instead of going with the kit.
Why did you decide the Festool was worth the upgrade. You're watch band matches the Festool dust extraction hose....🤔
Hola! 🖐Thanks for presenting another option for a miter station. I'm getting closer to building my shop and I'm "taking notes" as to what my set up will be, this video gives me more info to ponder before making a decision/commitment. Good video, thank you for that. Take care and have a good one, Adios! 👊
Nice upgrade
will a 45 cut piece, for a picture frame for example, hit the stop securely? thx...awesome station!
The cabinet shop I used to work for had "Blum ruler swivel stops" on their hinge boring machine it was my favorite, you set common offsets and don't have to ever touch them again because they swing out of the way when you put your material against the front of them or act as a stop when you push against their side. They cost a lot though, I was thinking of machining my own personal ones it's a simple design.
I love how the ONE time you actually hit the new one like you were hitting the homemade one IT MOVED! LOL! FAIL! 11:20
LOL no. I hit it nearly 20 times just like I did the other one. It didn't budge until I really hit it with a lot of force. Any stop block is going to move with enough force.
Idea was good.. i have one set up at my shop for about two months but saw dust is getting into a track and making inconvenient to move stops in yhe track otherwise it is really nice set up and accurate but jammed sliding stop no so much fun.
Very simple and easy job you did on the extension I would have been still there months later trying to figure out what to do. Also the use of washers to raise the saw slightly. Our coppers change in our Euro is being phased out so I keep them to drill holes in centre and use as washers or props in areas they don't matter if noticeable thanks great videos you do good man
Great video. Getting to see more woodpecker tools makes me drool. Stay awesome.
Thanks 👍
well done!
You were using the old stop blocks wrong. You should have rotated them 90° so that the block's tenon fit in the track groove. The way you set it up, only a tiny portion of the block bears on the track and it was not enough to keep it from slipping.
I've used it both ways. It didn't work either way for me
Really cool setup Mighty Matt. Thank you for the content.
Thank you Lloyd!
What a great system!! I love your posts.
Glad you like them!
In a situation like this, wood glue will wet the fiberboard and cause it to expand. A better choice would have been contact cement, which is traditionally used for countertops. It will not cause it to expand or bump up.
You're right not to install that vertical fence, it interferes with your work area and it isn't needed anyway. And hey, your shop is way too clean!😉💕
Matt doesn't have a "Shop" anymore. He has a "Set". 😉😆
Love the video, great content like always!
What if you need cut a miter...Long point will be off the stop block
I bought those too and hoped someone would soon copy it in alu or steel. Variations on woodpeckers stuff soon gets copied by China 😂. But nope, nobody copied them, still those plastic tabs. Surprised because they're a really good invention.
Nice video!! but I audibly groaned when you cut the aluminum track with your miter saw blade XD
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Praying for you and your family that God would prosper you even as your soul prospers.
Thank you
will the stops fit into a standard miter track?
It looks like you have the white stop block 90 degrees off. You can see the guide that is supposed to go into the track laying perpendicular on top of the track. That could be why it wouldn’t lock down. I have a similar one and it doesn’t move at all once it’s locked.
Even turned the correct way it moved
What table saw do you have there?
clamp a piece of wood on both sides of the blade and make a cut. now you can hook a tape to either side and get a perfect alignment for the adhesive tape.
I kept my stock blade on my mitre saw for cutting aluminum.
9:18 , a ghost stole the offcut tape measure 😱👻
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What is the company name that supplies this system?
Were did you get your tool storage on you back wall from ,and great video I'm goin to do the same
Video on the tool wall here czcams.com/video/hVWSGLYduvw/video.htmlsi=TaJXclie6aHV6u1N
Why did you decide to get rid of the makita and go with the festool?
Right?? That's exactly what I was wondering!
Anyone knows of chinesium version of stealthstop.
your awesome dude!!!
Does the end grain need to alternate direction when you build a table top? I glue and use pocket hole screws.
Some say not required. But it is conventional wisdom to alternate the grain. A lot depends on the type of wood and size of your table top. For me, most important, don't join lengths more than 10cm wide (4") and always match the finish on BOTH sides of the table top.
@@robertgeorgemiller278 thanks!
Just wondering if you would have an issue with drilling through the top of the aluminum. If you don't have an issue with it you could drill them and then put a screw or bolt through that to mount the pieces down better. You could just do this on either end and it shouldn't move.
The only good thing about this system is that you can set 2 sizes that are near each other. I use kreg, and the only bad thing about it is that you have about 8-9 cm between 2 stops. So you cant set for example 70 and 72 cm, the nearest possible to 70 is 78. But if we talk about this one - you have to use 2 different tool to set it. I think its very uncomfortable to use.
Idea for you. Route a custom small tray inset in the top for an Allen key that fits the sliders 💪. Maybe even a small magnet in the bottom to keep it there
That would be cool
Hey bro you got a wooden hammer on hanging on your wall Where'd you get that at what kind is it can you help me out I like to get me one please thank you sir and everything looks good keep up the good work
One of my viewers sent that to me as a gift
Did anyone else catch the complaint about metric measurements at 10:05, followed by the comment "doesn't budge, not even a millimeter" at 11:16. haha. Classic.
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Just use a countersunk bolt to mount the bar down to the table. Too late now but it wouldn’t have been a big deal
As soon as companies like that give a reasonable price, im in.
Sorry but you should have watched Bourbon Moth video about is fence installation, much easier to adjust and precise, with supertracks and flip stops!!
I preferred this option, which is why I bought it.
You are terrible, Matt! I haven't built my miter station yet and now I want this system too! On another note... holy crow - GREAT SAVE!!
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How do you plan on cutting anything less than 14 inches. The stop block will not work. Bourbon Moth has the same setup and came up with a system of using math and a known length piece of wood but that seems like a huge design flaw for a an expensive product that boasts as having everything thought out.
I cut a 14” block to keep at the station.
#WORSHERS
Elegant solution using the MDF
Rather than all the CA glue and activator , why not use Super glue and then sprinkle some baking Soda. Try it and be surprised.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha, you've got to be kidding me, have you seen the price of this solution? I almost fell off my chair, never going to happen my friend!
Why did you butcher the tape. What did it do to you 😨
What’s the difference between the right and Left versions?
Just the tape that comes with it. Right to Left tape or Left to Right Tape
Little pricey for a track and not a fan of having to use an allen wrench to tighten it down every time... I am sure it works nicely for others, just not my cup of tea....
I love the comment at 7:42 about a less lazy guy would rebuild it. If you wanted to build it differently where the track is going the "wrong way" and adjust it accordingly to your saw, it would put the inches side of the tape on the closer side to the block.. Be nice if the whole part of the block was aluminum. If you wanted 2 blocks closer than the 2" or so that each takes, you could run a secondary track in front of the first one potentially.
Having to use a seperate tool to tighten the set screw seems like a time consuming and annoying idea to me.
I originally thought the same thing but, you really only set it once or twice per job. So it's not a big deal really. Works well. Would it be better if you didn't have to have the extra tool, of course. But so far, it hasn't bothered me to set it and go to work.
When did this channel go from a wood working channel to a tool review channel?
Fun fact, 6 out of the first 10 videos I ever published on this channel were.....wait for it..... Tool Reviews. It's always been a part of the channel. 🤔 🤯
Matt i love you like a fat kid loves chocolate, but that system could be built for 25% of what woodpecker wants for it. Thank you for showing another option to a fence. I'm sold,.
It is pricey just beaucse it is Woodpeckers. I got it on sale. But even then it costs a premium. I like the system and have been putting it to work this past week and like it even more now that I am using it regularly. Yeah, you could make something similar but convince of having it all ready to install with all the parts/pieces you need also has value.
This Merican uses metric more than imperial these days. I grew up on metric motorcycles so for smaller stuff especially lathe work, I prefer metric.
I actually think metric would be much easier to use in woodworking. Just never switched over.
Been starting to do the same thing myself. Just much easier to do calculations with decimals rather than fractions. Once you just surrender to the Metric System, rather than constantly converting back and forth in your head, it gets much easier.
Here I am using a cinder block lol
OR... you could use a piece of scrap and a clamp.
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How would you know it doesn’t move a millimeter without the metric scale?! 😆
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It's too bad they could not have come up with something tool-less.
Super Slick UHMWPE plastic is not good to use as a stop-block. No friction, no surface holding power.
Can send you a hacksaw 😉?
lol I got one......somewhere
what youre after is , you want viewers to think makita products are no the best
while the truth is Makita power tools are closes to perfect accuracy in measuring functioning parts
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Damon will be sad.
I got stuck behind an ad. It was a good ad. 😎
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(Comment for your channel overall) Thanks for the videos and your shirts. I try not to miss a video and browse your channel often. I have one request, give us a one second shot of your shirt at the end. I like to look them up.
I may have cheated.
You all got nothing better to do with money?!?
I was unaware it was any of your business what I do with my money.
Complained about metric system on tape then later says stop block didn't even move a millimeter. lol
This is the dumbest fence stop system i have ever seen. Woodpeckers worst product right here.
Do you have it? Used it? If not, you don't have any real opinion on it other than you don't like the looks of it.
@@731Woodworks Hell no i dont have this but I absolutely do have a professional opinion on it. If you care about your time this is not the stop for you. Think FLIP stop! NOT with MY finger!
When I clicked on the Amazon link, it took me to a $250 package. I definitely cringed. But, after you mentioned the price, I hit the Woodpeckers link and saw the options. $129 is not a bad price for something that you will use over and over again.