Right? The moment I saw 0:07, I was like "Is that a Titan AE reference? Okay, people behind Lower Decks just massively increased their nerd street cred"
This defenetly feels like a Kobayashi Maru but you are in the prelude. INSIDE the Kobayashi. Outgun, outclass, with a device that could kill either you or those you love.
A training simulation based on this would be amazing 😂 And something I can actually see Starfleet doing unironically, given that this is a "stuck behind enemy lines" situation.
My solution; "Screw it, we're already dead. Activate the Genesis Device." "I-What?! Captain, that will kill us all!!" "I know what I said. _We're already dead. _*_Activate the Genesis Device."_* "...Is she insane?" "Probably. You tell me, you've been on this ship longer than I have."
according to the produces, the Passaro is actually a "Saberrunner"-class. General design of a Steamrunner-class, but scaled down to the size of a Saber class.
I hope they bring back Nova Fleet, the idea of a bunch of rouge ships from various galactic powers coming to gather in interesting concept that can create trouble for Federation and other states has lots of story potential. Also, I did not make the connection that the same guy who played Nick Locarno also played Tom Paris, Lower Decks brings up a lot of forgotten lore not even I did not know about or forgot, and dose in a ironic and humorous way!
Really, deep down, she is the best in Starfleet. Just her time during the war, and her seeing the dirty truths of Starfleet. She hates being in Starfleet, but loves being in Starfleet. The only reason she goofs off and acts so unprofessionally. She knows the rules inside and out. Thus, knows which rules she can bend and get around. All by not breaking the rules outright. Mostly.
@@Qardo All excellent points, and I totally agree with you....quite the change from the fight with Ma'ah when I truly believe she was looking for "suicide by Klingon." Look at her face when she yells "Fight me, you coward!" First off....calling a Klingon a coward, not good. Second...her face was the most unhinged we've seen during a fight. Her inner pain was so great, she'd reached her limit....and it was only telling Ma'ah about Sito and what her death did to Mariner that got her out of it. EVERYTHING about Mariner in the series lead up to that singular moment. I also found it significant that she introduced herself to Ma'ah byher FIRST name.
When Mariner first gets in the steamrunner class she calls it an “old ship” even though that ship is front the 2370’s and the show is set in the 2380’s. It’s a relatively young ship class compared to most in the fleet, specifically compared to the Excelsior and Miranda class.
I guess the _Sabrerunner_ class preceded the _Steamrunner_ by some time? Maybe it was the testbed for the design concept, which they later scaled up into the full-sized _Steamrunner._
Mariner's ship isn't a Steamrunner, it's a newly established Saberunner. Basically a scaled down Steamrunner for a much smaller crew compliment. Just a tidbit since it's coming up a lot.
23rd century, _Constitution_ refit: "A chimpanzee and two trainees can run her." Late 24th century: _Mariner and __-Wilson-__ Genesis Device fly a_ Steamrunner _class ship without a crew_
You have always been able to pilot a ship without a crew, there is literally only 1 helmsman after all. You just cannot use all of the systems other than flying the ship really.
Starfleet has a trend of making a ship operable with as little crew as possible. Of course, more crew is better, but starfleet has made a priority that in cases of emergency, a ship should be operable, capable of flying and defending itself, by as few as one person. The automation only gets better and more efficient, with the Prometheus Class being the latest development (in canon) that we've seen, with only 2 EMHs able to order it into an attack pattern.
The background design here was fantastic. The bridge looks like it could be another redress of the set they kept reusing at the Enterprise D battle bridge and various guest ship bridges throughout TNG, DS9, and VOY. I think the set started life as the refit Enterprise bridge for the first four TOS movies.
Steamrunners and Sabers (since the Passaro is a hybrid design that's a Steamrunner in design but Saber in size) were part of Starfleet's counter-Borg efforts. It's not a Sovereign-class but I think it can take a few hits.
I mean Star Treck ships are no stranger to being piloted by a single person, its much more difficult and you aren't even operating at a tenth you're full capabilities without a crew but we've seen it happen before. Heck in Voyager Seven did it for a month.
You can run a starship with one person just fine as long as everything is at 100%. When things start breaking or going out of alignment then you’re screwed.
I love how the romulan warbird is vertical instead of the usual horizontal. If i'm remembering correctly that was the original concept design for that particular romulan ship when they were reintroduced into Star Trek The Next Generation but was changed to be horizontal instead int he actual episode.
You don't think 4 new rules could have been added since Rom's installation as Nagus? He most certainly would have radically different views from a normal Ferengi, considering the type of character he has.
0:48 That rule might need to be revised. I mean, I think i get what they mean, stay alive to keep your gains, but it’s still possible that you can screw your self out of future gains
I like that the computer voice of Mariner’s ship’s computer is the same as Rick’s ship’s computer from Rick and Morty. It’s the same actress Kari Wahlgren putting on the same voice.
So, my takeaway from this scene is that... Starfleet vessels actually HAVE seatbelts... It's just that the officers don't choose to use them most of the time!
I wonder if all the actors voicing Ferengi put in the teeth so they sound right? I Know Armin Shimerman used his oriiginal set when he returned to do Quark
@@pendrake40 "Well no, but...can't you just call it Earth?" "Well no one said you had to live on Bob." "I'm. Never. Calling it that." Man, such a good movie!
In current-era aircraft, it's usually because the plane targeting another scans it with its active radar. Meaning that it sends out a radio wave that bounces off the other plane which it can then use to feed accurate range and angle and stuff to its missiles. Presumably, starships have a similar routine in certain circumstances.
It sounds more like the guy was just making up something. I think it is common in Ferengi society to say something is a 285+ Rule of Acquisition if you want to emphasize something.
Is it just me, or is this clip like the 2000 cartoon movie "Titan AD"? Spoiler: They had to fight off an enemy thru an ice-asteroid field and end up terra-forming it.
> Rule of Acquisition 91: "Your boss is only worth what he pays you." Is anyone else a little surprised by this rule? As self-serving for profit as it is, it seems remarkably pro-labor.
Logically, the Rules of Acquisition apply to both the boss and his employees. (The boss frequently forgets this.) From the first Nagus’ perspective, why sell only to the top of the org chart? That’s giving up market share.
@@parallax3dNo....Sabrerunner. It's been established by the lead VFX artist that the USS Passaro (the ship Mariner is using) is a new model of ship that is a Steamrunner in overall layout but scaled down to Saber-class dimensions. Hence, "Sabrerunner"
"- Ooh, dangerous and unpredictable space debris !"
It's almost like Mariner is going to add "My favorite !" right after. XD
"Ah, F*cking Romulans!" Something I imagine crossed the minds of every major trek character at least once 😂😂😂
Referencing Titan A.E.? Ok Lower Decks is officially the greatest show of all time!
I thought I was the only one who noticed. The Ice Rings of Tigrin.
Huh you’re right they are familiar. Guess not the first time, one of their episode titles was bAsed on Harlan Ellison’s most famous story
“I recognized the thing, and I clapped!”
I don’t care what people say I like that movie
Right? The moment I saw 0:07, I was like "Is that a Titan AE reference? Okay, people behind Lower Decks just massively increased their nerd street cred"
This defenetly feels like a Kobayashi Maru but you are in the prelude. INSIDE the Kobayashi. Outgun, outclass, with a device that could kill either you or those you love.
The Mariner Maru 😂
A training simulation based on this would be amazing 😂
And something I can actually see Starfleet doing unironically, given that this is a "stuck behind enemy lines" situation.
My solution; "Screw it, we're already dead. Activate the Genesis Device."
"I-What?! Captain, that will kill us all!!"
"I know what I said. _We're already dead. _*_Activate the Genesis Device."_*
"...Is she insane?"
"Probably. You tell me, you've been on this ship longer than I have."
the scene reminds of the movie Titan A.E
love the inclusion of the Steamrunner class. one of the best ship classes in starfleet. it needs more screen time
according to the produces, the Passaro is actually a "Saberrunner"-class. General design of a Steamrunner-class, but scaled down to the size of a Saber class.
Titan A.E. + ST:WoK with TNG ships and characters. Epic.
But how could the directors know of Titan A.E.? Almost nobody remembers it ever existed at-all.
I hope they bring back Nova Fleet, the idea of a bunch of rouge ships from various galactic powers coming to gather in interesting concept that can create trouble for Federation and other states has lots of story potential. Also, I did not make the connection that the same guy who played Nick Locarno also played Tom Paris, Lower Decks brings up a lot of forgotten lore not even I did not know about or forgot, and dose in a ironic and humorous way!
I can see T'Lyn running Nova Fleet honestly. She values independence, but is still logical to hold everyone in line
Rogue, it's spelled ROGUE!. Rouge is what you put on your face. Why do SOOO many people make this mistake?
The Steamrunner really showed itself here.
...
According to the showrunner, this is a Sabrerunner-class... A Steamrunner with the size of a Saber-class.
I'm not joking.
I'm so glad other people immediately thought of Titan A.E. during this scene!
It's always a good day when new Rules of Acquisition are added to canon.
Y'know....this shows that Mariner actually IS a good tactical officer....she just never lets herself show it.
Really, deep down, she is the best in Starfleet. Just her time during the war, and her seeing the dirty truths of Starfleet. She hates being in Starfleet, but loves being in Starfleet. The only reason she goofs off and acts so unprofessionally. She knows the rules inside and out. Thus, knows which rules she can bend and get around. All by not breaking the rules outright. Mostly.
@@Qardo All excellent points, and I totally agree with you....quite the change from the fight with Ma'ah when I truly believe she was looking for "suicide by Klingon." Look at her face when she yells "Fight me, you coward!"
First off....calling a Klingon a coward, not good.
Second...her face was the most unhinged we've seen during a fight.
Her inner pain was so great, she'd reached her limit....and it was only telling Ma'ah about Sito and what her death did to Mariner that got her out of it. EVERYTHING about Mariner in the series lead up to that singular moment.
I also found it significant that she introduced herself to Ma'ah byher FIRST name.
When Mariner first gets in the steamrunner class she calls it an “old ship” even though that ship is front the 2370’s and the show is set in the 2380’s. It’s a relatively young ship class compared to most in the fleet, specifically compared to the Excelsior and Miranda class.
I guess the _Sabrerunner_ class preceded the _Steamrunner_ by some time? Maybe it was the testbed for the design concept, which they later scaled up into the full-sized _Steamrunner._
i was happy to see the steamrunner get some love for once
I really, really thought they were going to turn the ice rings into a habitable planet. They had the set up. It would have been the full Titan A.E.
They did
Yeah, but they REALLY wanted to do Wrath of Khan too.
i wondered if i was the only one to know about this being like Titan A.E. , i love that movie.
Glad to know I'm not the only one who noticed this scene was referencing Titan A.E.
Did... did they just do Titan A.E?
They did, lmao. Never thought anyone would go out their way to reference Titan A.E of all movies.
Where? When?
No, they did what Communism Stalin's wet dream about Lenin is.
@redrasegarden When Mariner went to that crystal looking thingy. It resembles the Ice Rings of Tigrin.
@@Krypton853 oh, cool
Mariner's ship isn't a Steamrunner, it's a newly established Saberunner. Basically a scaled down Steamrunner for a much smaller crew compliment. Just a tidbit since it's coming up a lot.
23rd century, _Constitution_ refit: "A chimpanzee and two trainees can run her."
Late 24th century: _Mariner and __-Wilson-__ Genesis Device fly a_ Steamrunner _class ship without a crew_
You have always been able to pilot a ship without a crew, there is literally only 1 helmsman after all. You just cannot use all of the systems other than flying the ship really.
If memory serves, TNG once claimed that the Enterprise-D could be run by only a few people...
@@Brasswatchmannumerous times, and voyager, and the defiant
Starfleet has a trend of making a ship operable with as little crew as possible. Of course, more crew is better, but starfleet has made a priority that in cases of emergency, a ship should be operable, capable of flying and defending itself, by as few as one person. The automation only gets better and more efficient, with the Prometheus Class being the latest development (in canon) that we've seen, with only 2 EMHs able to order it into an attack pattern.
What you're not seeing is the engine room currently burning down.
2 references from Titan A E The crystal looking asteroids resembles The Ice Rings Of Tigrin and when the planet was created.
I knew that this reminds me of something but I couldn't remember, thanks
@@22especNP.
I love the original Star Tours ride reference from Disneyland very cool.
Nice to see a Steamrunner getting some real Limelight.
I feel like after this episode Mariner has defiently earned a promotion
"But I don't waaaaaant iiiiiit" - Mariner
tbh every third episode one of them does something extremely promotion-worthy ;)
@@mariusjoachims6866 yeah but this time Mariner may have prevented a war
She will not take one.
@@firemaker1258 I think after the talk she had with her new Klingon therapist may have changed her stance on promotion
The background design here was fantastic. The bridge looks like it could be another redress of the set they kept reusing at the Enterprise D battle bridge and various guest ship bridges throughout TNG, DS9, and VOY. I think the set started life as the refit Enterprise bridge for the first four TOS movies.
Titan A.E. ist the FIRST thing I thought of here too! :D
A Steamrunner-class? Well, I guess if you have few options...
It is a combat rated vessel with high mobility strong shields and for its size strong weapons
Yea very strong and powerful to bad we dident see it fire wepons few phasers and photons some were refited with quantom topedos
Steamrunners and Sabers (since the Passaro is a hybrid design that's a Steamrunner in design but Saber in size) were part of Starfleet's counter-Borg efforts. It's not a Sovereign-class but I think it can take a few hits.
"Our Sense-oars are ruined!"
I can't understand how an entire Starfleet vessel can be operated by a single person, even with help from the ship's computer.
its called plot skill. like just the bridge crew piloted the entire Enterprise D with more than 1000 personel aboard in st picard (the shit show)
I mean Star Treck ships are no stranger to being piloted by a single person, its much more difficult and you aren't even operating at a tenth you're full capabilities without a crew but we've seen it happen before.
Heck in Voyager Seven did it for a month.
Why is this far fetched? The Texas class was fully automated.
You can reroute controls in ST ships. Only when ships are heavily damaged, do you need to go to any specific panels.
You can run a starship with one person just fine as long as everything is at 100%. When things start breaking or going out of alignment then you’re screwed.
I love how the romulan warbird is vertical instead of the usual horizontal. If i'm remembering correctly that was the original concept design for that particular romulan ship when they were reintroduced into Star Trek The Next Generation but was changed to be horizontal instead int he actual episode.
Damn Titan A.E. such an underrated movie!
Nah, it's rated exactly as it is. Mediocre movie with mediocre characters and mediocre plot
@HellecticMojo thats your opinion and ill respect it.
@@legosupreme7142 nah it's facts. The movie bombed for a reason.
@HellecticMojo many movies bomb but people still like them. Again if you dont like it thats your opinion to not like it.
1:36 ahhh warbird!!!
Looks like I'm gonna be "that guy"...
There's only 285 Rules of Acquisition.
The rule of Acquisition alway get update, like alot of updates
Plus... he wouldn't be the first ferengi to make up a rule.
Yeah, because the guy was making it up. Think about it. What kind of respectable Ferengi would *ever* say "profits later"?
You don't think 4 new rules could have been added since Rom's installation as Nagus? He most certainly would have radically different views from a normal Ferengi, considering the type of character he has.
@@Treydies Rom doesn't strike me as the "shoot first" kinda guy.
0:48
That rule might need to be revised. I mean, I think i get what they mean, stay alive to keep your gains, but it’s still possible that you can screw your self out of future gains
Mariner: When I get through with him, Locarno will "NO VA..."
I love the Ferengi screams. 😂😂😂
The visuals of the ice field make it clear that someone is a fan of Titan AE. :D Same icy shapes, same usage by those in the field.
I totally flashed to Titan AE, too! I still ❤ that movie
I like that the computer voice of Mariner’s ship’s computer is the same as Rick’s ship’s computer from Rick and Morty. It’s the same actress Kari Wahlgren putting on the same voice.
What was the ship that bought it around 0:24?
Rule of Acquisition 289? The Ferengi added a few new ones.
So, my takeaway from this scene is that... Starfleet vessels actually HAVE seatbelts... It's just that the officers don't choose to use them most of the time!
They got invented after Nemesis, for that one deleted scene xD
1:44
Volcans ACTUALLY
We now interrupt this episode to bring you a scene from Titan AE. 😜
I wonder if all the actors voicing Ferengi put in the teeth so they sound right? I Know Armin Shimerman used his oriiginal set when he returned to do Quark
Hang on GD this gona be rough! 😂
Planet Bob?!
"You don't like Bob?"
"You can't call a planet 'Bob!'"
@@hfar_in_the_sky-- [Cale Tucker (Matt Damon)]: "What, so you're the queen of 'Bob' now..?"
*;)*
@@pendrake40
"Well no, but...can't you just call it Earth?"
"Well no one said you had to live on Bob."
"I'm. Never. Calling it that."
Man, such a good movie!
That thing's computer voice sounds like Rick Sanchez's computer voices.
Mariner's kicking ass and looking good doing it.
Yeah. This is just the same sequence from Titan A.E. only Cale's ship wasn't armed.
a Titan A.E. vibe going one
Now I have to learn a new rule of acquisition?
I am very certain they lifted entire scenes from Titan A.E. in this one.
Referencing The Titan A.E. Icerings.
was.... the dangerous and unpredictable space debris a Titan AE reference? I feel like it was.
B really froze out the Ferengi at same time question their rules.
Sest belts on bridge chairs.
That area is totally from Titan AE.
Is that a SEATBELT on a Federation ship??!!?
I swear they stole this scene from titan ae
Stole or hommaged? Come on
I think the word you're looking for is hommage.
@@BurningFlamesofDivineDragon No they stole it.
It's an homage ma' dude...
@@shawnwarrynn8609 is called homage buddy. to steal you need to copy most details. to homage you only copy a few very important and visual details.
Hola chicos 👋
0:48 I’m sorry rule 289? I thought there were only 285!?
Manual steering
Ive never understood how targeted ships lnow theyve been... locked onto
In current-era aircraft, it's usually because the plane targeting another scans it with its active radar. Meaning that it sends out a radio wave that bounces off the other plane which it can then use to feed accurate range and angle and stuff to its missiles. Presumably, starships have a similar routine in certain circumstances.
Did we get a new rule of adquisition?
It sounds more like the guy was just making up something. I think it is common in Ferengi society to say something is a 285+ Rule of Acquisition if you want to emphasize something.
Is it just me, or is this clip like the 2000 cartoon movie "Titan AD"? Spoiler: They had to fight off an enemy thru an ice-asteroid field and end up terra-forming it.
> Rule of Acquisition 91: "Your boss is only worth what he pays you."
Is anyone else a little surprised by this rule? As self-serving for profit as it is, it seems remarkably pro-labor.
Nah, it works. Why struggle if you're not going to get anything out of it?
Logically, the Rules of Acquisition apply to both the boss and his employees. (The boss frequently forgets this.)
From the first Nagus’ perspective, why sell only to the top of the org chart? That’s giving up market share.
The boss is only worth TO YOU what he pays you. In other words his value is the paycheck you're getting.
Rom could have used it when he was forming the Union.
Taking a steamrunner class for a fleet battle smart
She didn't have a wide selection, she pretty much got lucky that it was an available option.
Can we address Mariner flying a Cali-Class ALONE!? Like is it really that easy?
Sabrerunner-class, not Cali-Class. And it's a relatively small ship, only a few times bigger than a shuttlecraft by the looks of things.
@@Brasswatchman Oh, okay. My bad.
I mean, they did in last seasons opener
@@TheOmega1989 Albeit briefly, yeah.
@@parallax3dNo....Sabrerunner. It's been established by the lead VFX artist that the USS Passaro (the ship Mariner is using) is a new model of ship that is a Steamrunner in overall layout but scaled down to Saber-class dimensions. Hence, "Sabrerunner"
Titan A.E. much?
Its ok but not enterprise material
also there is no rule 289
Well, there is *now.* Or at least an "unofficial" one.
@@Brasswatchman If nothing else, they invoked the unwritten rule. If no rule applies, make one up.
Kids, say no to subscribe beggars.
Calarts sukk dik
Of course the captain is a powerful wahmens of kolorses.
Like so many captains in the west and the world.
#EndWokeness
Thank god this trash show is over.