Las Vegas man sues FedEx over used delivery trucks
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- čas přidán 16. 05. 2021
- Allegations in a lawsuit filed by a Las Vegas man that one of the biggest delivery companies in America is re-selling its trucks without disclosing the true mileage on some of the vehicles is raising questions.
When they banned the guy from the auction I already know FedEx is wrong
And by banning him, that leaves them more exposed to any penalties if/when a judge finally takes a look at this case.
The PENALTIES will likely be all the way to the moon!!!!
Big companies we write their own laws hell with everyone else money money
He will be able to sue all their asses off, they ruined his business by not providing the correct product
Alan, that is not necessarily true but in this instance it does not look good. We contract with an auction house to dispose of fleet vehicles. We have had to ban quite a few for not buying the vehicles that they win at auction. There are also other buyers who demand special private access to inspect the vehicles and they get upset when we say no, we ban them. Everyone has to have equal access and we disclose everything that we know about the unit to everyone on the website. In these instances the odometer reading was on the PCM. It could have been easily checked by FedEx. Some older units PCM's do not record that type
of information and can be harder to disclose. But a cursory check of their maintenance records would go a long way..
The home delivery vans are privately owned they contract out the maintenance work
Just remember if YOU were selling cars and rolling back the odometer YOU would be arrested. Two legal systems in this country, one for powerful corporations and the rich and another for the rest of us.
No “roll-back” involved. The entire odometer replaced….
But, the paperwork involved in the change was not done…..
@@ernestgalvan9037 you didn't listen he said 5:22 they are rolling the miles back and lying but but they are using a loop hole to do it.
@@southside1975 There is no loop hole in California.
That’s why corporations are politicians never do any jail time. I’m sure they will magically settle out of court.
That's why FED X likely created the spin off company to sell the vehicles. That company can go bankrupt and then they just start another one in some one else name. But the little guy has the LLC. If you are running a small business and you are an LLC you can absolutely protect your personal finances and property. to be honest every one can get away with it at least a few times. How do you think Trump has existed for so long as a billionaire. He has no money. He has positive cash flow on borrowed money.
The entire reason for the third party to sell is to cutoff liability. This was the plan from the beginning.
Except that doesn't matter here because the third party obviously isn't the ones tampering with the mileage. They may have thought that's what would happen, which is why they are pointing the finger at them, but that makes no sense in this case. The third party isn't driving them for 100,000 miles, so they aren't the ones doing it.
@@catwhowalksbyhimself The third party is definitely to try and eliminate chain of custody and liability. However, I think where Fed-Ex will lose is that they do much of their own maintenance and therefore they are the ones who are not complying with federal law to make the odometer discrepancy disclosures. I want to side with Fed-Ex as it's the numbers of people involved and where the failure to disclose comes in, but as the video shows, there must be a disclosure "permanently affixed" to the driver door jamb. I know this because I am a certified Master auto technician and I replaced many instrument clusters/odometers with used units that had different odometer readings. Nowadays most of what I do is either have them rebuilt or replace with odometers programmed with the VIN and mileage. And if I return a cluster with a mileage that differs by more than roughly 100 miles, I do NOT get my $150-$400 core refund. So if I have to replace an odometer/instrument cluster, the vehicle sits at my shop until the new one comes in, the customer does NOT get to keep driving it in the 2-14 days it takes to get a cluster.
@@catwhowalksbyhimself The third party would've been expected to inspect those trucks before and should've reasonably known those odometers weren't the original so the guy can easily sue the third party seller, not knowing the law is not a defense and they can't just play dumb selling that many bad trucks. The third party is more than able to collect from Fedex after they got sued but if he's going straight for Fedex, it's because they had an immediate economic interest because they still get a piece of the auction profit. Both of them should've been named but Fedex especially knew they were sending bad trucks to auction.
@@sws212 I mean, the dealer guy didn't know and he'd been selling them for years, so it seems like it was had to notice.
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I worked for CCX and we did it right we sent out new odometer/speedometer to a shop and had the milage set to what was on our trucks at the time of the odometer replacement and the trucks were out of service until the new odometer was replaced with the correct mileage. Thank you all that worked at Gene's Speedometer
"We're angry that you called us on our deception, so youre banned for life"
Thats what Kids in Adult Clothing acting like!
@@BeingMe23 most of the population?
Wait, isn't that twitter and facebooks operating plan as well?
you mean fraud?
@@ETAisNOW Well yes the whole World has some level of Broken Adults 😕
As a former employee of FedEx for 10 years I can confirm this is totally something they would do
I worked for them for 13 years
Yeah that’s exactly what I would expect from them
Man ??? Humans ????? Lying ??? are you sure ????????????????????
You all right dont use them if you can help it stay away from FedEx
As a current employee, I know this is happening. Cause they do sketchy crap all the time.
Come to UPS, my friend.
He should absolutely name both in a class action lawsuit
He can only do that if he gets enough people being duped by auto traders. Class action means more than one person harmed.
FedEx is the biggest scam delivery service in the world. They are extremely late with every package I’ve had through them, and they often blame me saying I never scheduled a delivery, when I in fact call every time to check if I need to, which they always say, “no need to schedule, it will arrive on time” and then never does.
They aren't late with our packages, but they have recently begun leaving our neighbors' packages at our house, requiring me to get into the car and finish their deliveries _FOR_ them. Everyone on this county road has their address numbers clearly marked on their mailbox post. Yet, my address of 5201 has been getting packages for 5864 and others.
Hey, FedEx. Stop using Google Maps and look at the f*ckin' addresses, yourselves. That's how I did it 40 years ago when I was a delivery driver, and it worked perfectly every time.
Obviously if he is now banned from all the auctions... that means the auction houses were all in on it too
Fedex could have threatened to stop selling their trucks with them if he wasn't banned or they could have paid off the auction house. It will come up in court eventually as to how much the ah knows about the trucks and what they do to ensure information is accurate etc.
Copart is the worst.
Well of course, the more they can sell the truck for, the higher their cut.
@@NicholasLittlejohn What does wrecked vehicles have to do with the conversation?
@@NicholasLittlejohn Copart is "as is" sales, it is in the terms that it IS YOUR responsibility to inspect the vehicle before the sale!
This is why ups does NOT sell their trucks. They run the crap out of them til they meet their replacement criteria. Then they crush them.
Ups was like good thank you FedEx we can look good on this one
or just sell them as is true miles unknown and bring in a few bucks
You will never find a used UPS truck for sale. They spec them from the manufacturer then rebuild until they can no longer be serviced and then destroys them.
The ups statement is false about them not selling their old trucks.
A friend of mine bought 2 of them last year.. But ups did not mess with the odometers. And the show the true mileage for the trucks.
FEDEX is doing this now too. Selling to bitchy dealers ain't worth the bullshit to them
Good look getting a hold of anybody at ARI! We use them as a fleet management company and they are horrible to deal with. A brake caliper sticking on right front rotor and they just replaced the caliper and pads on the bad side. Wouldn’t even let Firestone replace the pads on the other side! Brake pads comes in 2 pairs per box! Who only replaces one side? ARI is crooked!
My former employer says same about ARI.
They're holding on to that second pair, so they can sell them to someone else.
So right😂
Now that's journalism 👏.
Sounds like the auction houses are complicit too.
I wouldn't think so. Sure they banned this guy to keep the fleet management company as a customer but that's the end of their part.
Was just gonna say the same. Reminds me of the mission in Red Dead Redemption 2 when you turn up with a dozen stolen sheep and the auctioneer says he'll keep quiet if he gets a cut.
we have these same complicit relations in many other places in America. Such as the Democrat crimes and the media being complicit in covering it up or censoring every mention of it from their "journalism".
They are.
@@BornIn1500 You are right. We often turn a blind eye to this activity. As a Republican, myself, it has made me sick to see our party campaign for years on things like "repeal and replace" and find out that they did nothing of the sort. And, not only that, they undermined and worked against a president who campaigned on similar issues and kept his promises. It is time for our people to band together in the seemingly impossible task of turning this country back to truth and justice one crooked corporation at a time.
Yes, Fedex is doing this on purpose.
Or the union guy in the shop gets sloppy with documentation.
@Bob Roberts
Sloppy my eye!
Some union guy probably has some jerk of a boss telling him "Do EXACTLY what I say and NOTHING MORE! I don't GIVE A (eff) what or how your previous boss did things!"
So the union worker who likely KNEW there were steps missing to what he was supposed to do just smiled inside as he screwed the new jerk of a boss over for 18.5 million miles of missing documentation!
@@mrliberty8468 very true. People have tried to buy them to make into campers as the box shape makes it easier.
Yes FedEx i just came across that video UPS doesn't resell their vehicles they recycling and sell them for parts so they wouldn't have this kind of dishonest practice Thanks
There would be no valid reason to need to change out that number of odometers.
If the listing says “LOW MILES” and list another amount of mileage far lower than what they claim, that is done so with the intent of deception. Plain and simple.
There is a reason why odometer swaps without disclosure is against the law. Because it is done with the sole intent to mislead and defraud the end buyer of the actual mileage and therefore stated condition of said vehicle. Just because an auction sells “as is”, doesn’t give them a free pass to violate the law and straight up lie and defraud people.
I hope this guy wins and wins HUGE! And that the companies involved also end up with massive fines in the end. Along with an order to “cease and desist” this criminal practice!
Tom Layton here, the Plaintiff. Thank you for your comments and support.
The old truck dealer seems like a really good straight an honest guy . And FedEx would steal a penny from you if they thought they could get away with it.
so would you
An honest used automotive dealer, hahaha, hes just looking to make some $$$$
Those people that banned him at the auction should be federally investigated and charged with fraud among other charges.
Along with every liberal in the country too....
Agreed
I bet those in the auction know about the miles.
He was actually going for A-R-I
@@darkzero11ca auction only knows what ARI puts on the ticket. The mileage is verified by someone, truck/car matches ticket. Truck is shown on camera, announcer reads the rocket,& auction commenced. They move cars/trucks through there as fast as the auctioneer can talk!
Car Auctions are entertaining, or at least the Fresno auction used to be.
Fed Ex CEO’s will do anything to get that new private jet each year.
Yes yes. You got that right 100%
With the amount of miles he has to travel it saves stock holders money.
Trump gave the a huge tax cut.
Planes last 20-30+ years why would a CEO get a new one every year?
FedEx contracts out all the delivery routes. They don’t own the trucks.
I am thoroughly convinced that there is absolutely nothing that exists in this world today that has not been corrupted by evil people.
Yeap
Yo mama
I agree totally. I bet it has EVERYthing to do with the fact that what? 90% of elected Parasites in the country are LAWYERS????? Yeah I'm convinced that IS the reason...
Congratulations!! Welcome to reality! I hope you enjoy your stay.
Is Joe Biden in the board of directors?
Love how UPS was willing to throw a jab at FedEx with that statement. I hope this guy wins and includes the auction house in the lawsuit. I also hope this gets the FBI involved and large fines are issued to both companies. This is all the more reason I like UPS better than FedEx
I understand the choice of UPS v. FedEx but UPS has not been over the past many years good or right to their Employee's & the time once when it was the same UPS Driver to your Home or Business has left the building & this was very true before the Corona-19 Virus Pandemic. Greed appears to be happening at FedEx & UPS 24/7 & for all the very wrong criminal reasons.
Ups is now banning all gun shipments. The lost my biz.👍🏻🇺🇲
@@lcvb1624 Yeap.. truth is that there are no good, honest shipping companies in this country. They're all corrupt to the core. I worked for UPS for almost 10 years and can say without a doubt that the company is evil.
The FBI is too busy running cover for globalist politicians.
UPS scraps & squishes their vans under strict supervision.
Fedex: "we sell the trucks once they hit the mileage criteria for retirement"
Ok then why does the odometer say "49k" if you need to hit the retirement criteria?
*Fedex* : "crickets chirp*
I don't think that's what's happening. Fed Ex hand off the vehicle to their contractor, ARI, when it hits X-Mileage. ARI are then running a workshop scam and swapping out the odometers, and then sticking them in auction. ARI profits are boosted.
It sounds bizarre, but Fed Ex are being scammed too, but instead of losing money, they're making it, but only because the contract with ARI is a profit share.
I bet dollars to donuts that the court rule in favour of Fed Ex. It's ARI that need investigating, at a criminal level.
@@Jin-Ro Fedex admitted to being the one that switches the odometer's though. over 1600 in a 7 year period or something
@@Jin-Ro Well I don't think that's the case as it appears that fedex has already shown documentation that the vehicle's odometers were changed while 'in service' by FedEx fleet services,... And that ARI is simply the 3rd party seller of vehicles through auction determining a price and profiting from the amount above and beyond the estimated value that FedEx expects to get for the vehicles.
It's simply appears at fedex was negligent by missing a federally mandated step of documenting the fact that the vehicles mileage is not accurate anymore since their fleet services didn't actually adjust the new odometers to reflect the actual mileage of the vehicle or apply a simple decal to disclose the fact that the existing odometer doesn't reflect the actual mileage of said vehicle.
All title/pink slips on motor vehicles have the question and an area to disclose what the known mileage is or if the mileage is unknown that requires a signed acknowledgement from the seller to the new owner of these facts.
Don't go thinking that FedEx is too reputable to be doing such things, remember its all individuals making decisions, and if it helps them get their bonuses, they'll do it.
Its FedEx doing the swaps no doubt, and that's a very high failure rate for odometers too, that also makes me suspicious.
Yeah they replaced the odometer and then drive it till it's got a 100000 miles on and say it's low mileage, Though then it actually has 400000 miles on it. Sleeezbag company
Some people really believe that a 20-year-old truck would have only 43k miles.
especially a FEDEX delivery truck.
The average car mileage is 12-15000 miles a year. A 20 year old route delivery vehicle should have 300K
Well they are probably thinking “it’s got a new motor in it” instead of it being the same motor since it was first driven.
Depends. There are a lot of old low mile trucks around, I've bought them already. It is just highly unlikely to find one that was owned by an outfit like FedEx.
stupidity is the real pandemic
The Attorney General for Nevada should investigate....
The FBI and department of Transportation should investigate - the potential fraud is staggering.
Man FedEx already has problems with their services and delivery drivers, but now this too? Fedex is just 100% *PURE PROBLEMS* .
At one point early in the company history they took their last 5000 dollars and played blackjack with it to win enough to cover their 24000 dollar fuel bill. Lets just say they have never really been on the up and up.
Biden admin tombien...
@@patrickstockton2091 LOL!!!! 🤣What does Biden administration have to do with this? 🤣 FedEx is a private company you dumbass. LOL!!!!! 🤣
@@patrickstockton2091 wat
The fact they ban him from ALL fedex truck auctions tells ya something!
yeah its called a legal conflict of interest
@@HobbyOrganist correct. These clusters get replaced for whatever failure occurred and the actual engine mileage is stored within the ecm
@@edwilko8819 but his reason and it is a legal one is he shouldn't have to ask about it. They are REQUIRED by law to notify/inform/ or document the change and actual millage or say that's it not the actual millage in the sale process
As A used truck dealer.. He should have known! I'm guessing he probably did know, or was a horrible at his job. As the video pointed out, Its very easy to tell if Odometer has been changed.
@@northyland1157 the issue isn't he should of known... but they didn't do what was required by law and notify the next buyer. Some one broke the law be it the auction/ fleet management company or FedEx them selfs.
Having worked for FedEx, this is typical.
Seen a ‘92 with only like 90k on a digital odometer
Excellent investigative news coverage
What a scam, wow.
Most of these ground trucks are owned by independent contractors, not by FedEx themselves. I drove for “FedEx” but technically I worked for a small business that personally owned about a dozen delivery vehicles. It’s confusing. Express and freight is different because they are run directly by FedEx
The red “Ex” on the FedEx logo on truck body is FedEx owned... The trucks that have the green letters “Ex” of the FedEx logo are independent contractors? Most of the step vans in the big cities have the green letters.
The cotractor owned trucks have the company name decals by the driver's door.
@Michael-D Smith The ground part of FedEx is owned by independent contractors the independent contractors buy either used or brand new from a dealer. Express and freight and office trucks are through FedEx owned and operated.
Fed Ex’s way of doing everything licks donkey dong
@@Ken-wv2wg Fedex made it where all the trucks no longer show green for ground, did it about 5 years ago.
Wow, he even bought the vehicle off the other guy that got ripped off, what a dude. Hope he can get this fixed
Tom is just trying to cover his ass.......He knows damn well the odometer was replaced. Tom just shot his self in the foot because now fed ex will just crush all future vehicles. Tom is just playing stupid.
Tom Layton here, the Plaintiff. Thank you for your comments and support!!!
My mom always says be careful at auctions some things have not been disclosed and this guy should have known better even my grandpa likes to buy things at face value not at auctions
@@nevadafleet3429 Good luck with your case.
What is the punishment for odometer tampering?
Engaging in a conspiracy to alter odometers and falsify mileage records can get you charged under 49 U.S.C. § 32703(4). The federal penalty for odometer tampering is up to $10,000 and/or 3 years in prison.
Its more the case can u prove they KNEW what they were doing
Dealer “immediately buys the truck back and figures out how this scam happened”. Sounds like a good guy there.
Tom Layton here, the plaintiff. I bought it back because I was not about to do what FedEx and ARI did to me!
@@nevadafleet3429 way too many people out there selling used crap knowing its crap and not telling the customer its crap. Thanks for not being the stereotypical sleezy used car salesman.
I hope this guy wins and gets a lot of money out of it.
no
@@HobbyOrganist I'm going to assume you're not a dealer based on that statement. The auction house represents the vehicle they are required by law to disclose anything they find the buyer does not get the right to inspect anything beyond the visual FedEx has violated federal statutes and continues to do so defending the two companies involved is misinformed at best.
@@HobbyOrganist Thats beyond the point though. The point is, by law, it needs to be disclosed. Falsely representing vehicles, regardless of their condition, is FRAUD. Fraud is illegal. It doesn't matter if they were run into the ground or cream puffs. The lawsuit isn't about the condition of an AS IS sale, it is about the negligent misrepresentation of said vehicles.
While you bring up some good points regarding condition, that is up to the buyer to investigate prior to sale. Odometer fraud however should not be up to the buyer to investigate, which is why these laws exist.
It's already been a 4 year battle, 4 years of paying a lawyer to fight against a massive multibillion dollar corporation with a building full of highly paid layers to make sure people like this guy never get a penny. This guys just burning his money and time away.
This truck dealer was supposed to be an expert in his field... He just got called out by his customers. He was in on the game too, till his customers caught him!
“I will never look at the moon the same again” hilarious
That animated graphic video on the side of the truck was a stellar inclusion. Well done
Odometer tampering is outright fraud. One of the big three got caught doing this to their own executive fleet cars being sold as new back in the 80s. All my cars have had legit low mileage but people never believe me because of all the scammers out there. I just don't drive often or far.
I think the auction company should get in trouble for this because they're selling something they already know about
Lawsuits are always good
Charge them with fraud.
That's true. They should be as liable as any professional seller down the chain who sells any vehicle. They must surely have OBD2 meters to check for vehicle problems, including the odometer. The computers of modern vehicles record the true mileage. All mechanics should know that and so should all vehicle sales people.
@@jublywubly the auction houses usually don't get the time to do a check over by mechanic as the cars/ trucks usually come in to a hold yard then shipped out to the sales floor all within a few days with 100's of other items. the auction houses rely on the word of the third party dealer in this case ARI to have the correct details and have in their legal documents that the auction house has no liability over said vehicle
@@gore1978
You're right. It's a long time since I've been to an automotive auction. I forgot that most of them act as third party sellers on behalf of other people. There is one dealership near me that sells cars in their retail dealership, but they also sell them at auction. In their case, they're selling their own cars, so they'd be liable for any errors. However, they'd be the exception to the rule.
I’ll never look at the moon the same
Man I hope this guy wins!
@@SooHooSamaSito the two companies are just shifting blame. FedEx is the culprit here though.
@@SooHooSamaSito Not true, FedEx will have to prove they didn't do the modification or can produce the documents that they did and put the proper mileage on.
If FedEx knew their partner was breaking the law and did nothing, they can still be held liable by turning a blind eye. After all they are the ones profiting the most from it.
@@egg-roll8968 fed ex has bigger lawyers.
@@SooHooSamaSito so you're telling me you don't have to ever prove a claim to be false than in court and all you have to do is sit there doing nothing?
This isn't someone stealing a product where the proof has to come from the other side, FedEx has to prove the allegations against them to be false if they just sit on their ass doing nothing and the evidence against them is convincing enough they will lose. Simply put unlike criminal court both sides have to prove the other is wrong.
@@TheCaptainSplatter having the best of the best means nothing if enough evidence is against them. I'm just hoping the courts don't lay blame on the 3rd party freeing FedEx from all guilt as I doubt they are guilt free on this.
Need to get the Feds involved.
Thank you for the report. You did a wonderful job. Kudos to all involved.
Ok ok this is serious but... “I’ll never look at the moon the same again” 😂😂😂
Apollo 85
That was so overdramatic 😂
😂
thats how you win a lawsuit
Man: thoroughly explains how he discovered odometer problem.
Reporter: "how did u learn that?"
Man: (trying to dumb it down for her) "uh, I compared the odometer.."
But why male models?
She was asking how he knew FedEx replaced it.
Changing odometers on stepvans seems to be a common industry practice. I bought several vans from Frito-lay, and just about all of them had their odometer changed. The big difference is they had the sticker stating this fact so you knew. It seems when they went in for a company refurbish, they swapped in a new odometer since it was a new engine and a "new" van to them. Again, at least they were honest enough to tell you this, so you knew what you were getting.
Odometer Tampering is a federal crime. The person responsible for the decision could face jail time and near $10k in fines.
This guy didn't think it was suspicious that these old delivery trucks had such ridiculously low mileage?
They might of had a engine replacement though
I was a general manager at a auto repair shop and ok be of our fleet accounts was Fed ex I noticed that when the same truck would come in the mileage wouldn't be correct for six or ten months I would ask their fleet manager and he'd say oh we don't use that truck, it was a running joke in our shop we knew they were trading them in. 😂
“I will never look at the moon the same way again”
Lol that was profound and funny
Tom Layton here. THANK YOU !!!
Just look at how Fedex operates... they don't even directly employ their drivers. How shady is that?
Yea i quit fedex because it was that shady. The trucks were extremely unsafe.
Ya right there very nice trucks
ok sudenly evry body is a fed ex driver
@@glennkometscher7928 its almost like youre on the internet where theres other people on... idiot
I can't say who I work for because I've got bills to pay, but I will say that their vehicles wouldn't pass a crash test when they were built. Now they're all over 30 years old and scary as hell. One of our maintenance guys replaced a faulty brake line on my vehicle, on the same side, three days in a row, before he finally got a good one. Yes the brakes went out 3 days in a row while I was driving. Yay Me.
Recently, my vehicle wouldn't start so they replaced the distributor. About an hour into my route, the brand new distributer went out again.
The horn usually doesn't work, unless you're turning, then it just honks on its own.
There's a "fresh air" vent, that is worn out and won't close, in the firewall, coming straight from the engine compartment directly into the cab. It comes out right under the fan that is mounted on the dash, so it blows that hot air right on us. It's the only air vent in the cab.
When it rains, the windows fog up and the defroster isn't powerful enough to clear the fog.
The windshield wipers get caught in the bolts (yes BOLTS) that hold the windshield in place, so the wipers are always messed up when it rains.
Most of the windshields leak and the water runs right down the inside firewall onto the fuse block.
There is literally a puddle in the floor of my vehicle, when it rains
The wiring has never been replaced on these vehicles so, sometimes they just catch on fire.
The good news is, sometime between now and the next 10 years, we're supposed to be getting our new fleet of trucks that we were supposed to get 10 years ago. WOOHOO!!!
@@jimmyparris9892 USPS is truly an inspiration. Using completely outdated, inefficient and unreliable vehicles for so long.
Tom was forced into being a hero. They broke him. They need to pay. FedEx should be just Ex.
I was forced into picking up some dog poo the other day which wasn't my dogs, I am a hero too.
I wouldn't side with Tom so quickly remember all that we know is that he sold a truck with false miles & got caught even if he bought the truck back claiming he was clueless that's what happened & he didn't go file a lawsuit right away no, He continued business UNTIL he was banned from the auction, it's hard to believe a man with 36 years of being in the business that he wouldn't question and further examine an old Fedex truck with such low miles before selling it for a profit, he could easily be just as shady.
They took away what hes been doing for 30yrs. Of course they broke him
Tom went out of business so he’s trying to go after the deepest pockets he knows people lon the Internet will automatically support him Against big companies
The mighty powerful Fed Ex, sweeping the problem under the carpet. If they did nothing wrong why won't they give up the service maintenance. The auction company is in it with Fed Ex. just another barrier for Fedex
That is flat out fraud. You can't sale a vehicle like that. If you do you get into big trouble.
Ok, as a 25 year diesel technician, fleet and independent, I can tell you that speedometers fail quite frequently. I have changed dozens. Tech orders parts, parts come in, as new 0 mile reading and it gets installed. Some times it will be documented, sometimes not. You can access the ECM, but those fail too, and when they do, sometimes they can be downloaded, and reprogrammed to the new module, however, they can lose internal memory when they fail as well.
My honest opinion, FedEx just wants their equipment fixed economically and doesn't care. The auction house is the one taking advantage of both sides of the situation. But seriously buyer beware, you can't honestly think a 90's delivery vehicle would have 80,000 miles on it really???
People don’t see the whole story like this. I see parts swapped all the time. They just wanna feel sorry for the guy and news knows a big name will make people watch
This sounds like 25% to 50% failure rate and that seems rather high. As for the buyer not questioning the low mileage, I wondered about that myself, especially if you knew it was a Fedex truck. Maybe if it was something like a food truck from new where is was driven to locations and spent most of its time parked in a location. You see low mileage vs age on lots of RVs because even if they are drive cross country, they also spend a lot of time parked.
The law says you have disclose the information about the odometers being changed out. If an individual or corporation fails to comply with the law, there is a legal liability. The Federal Trade Commission or perhaps FBI should investigate.
@@JohnDayDude If this happened a few times, one could chalk it up to sloppy paperwork or an accident. On the scale that is being reported here this is either deliberate fraud or massive negligence. Either way, you are correct, it should be investigated and folks at the top prosecuted. I just doubt that will happen.
@@JohnDayDude
Bro, did you not read my comment?? It is stored in the ECM. Once in awhile, the get blanked out. But there are variables that allow for this to happen.
ARI is a bunch of crooks, the last full time job I had our parent company contracted ARI, we quickly learned at our branch not to use ARI because of numerous underhanded practices they used during routine fleet maintenance.
Update PLEASE. Great reporting! It wasn't an opinion piece. Just straight facts.
thank you for this. i was looking to buy a step van for conversion, now i have some knowledge of what to look for; some
This will be an interesting outcome to see just how this operation truly goes down and where and who gets the payout. I’ll be waiting to here an update on this .
HEAR.
Tom Layton here, the Plaintiff. Thank you for your comment.
If you or I were caught selling vehicles with inaccurate odometer information that we installed, do you really think they would say it’s not illegal? Of course not. There are laws prohibiting this but corporations do seem to have to follow law.
Glad to see this being addressed!
Tom Layton here, the Plaintiff. Thank you for your comment and support!!!
I hope this guy wins big time! I'm FedUp with FedEx. SHAME ON YOU, FEDEX!
Your fedexed with fedex
Buying a FedEx truck is like buying a taxi. You know they've been run into the ground. You're not getting a cream puff ever...
if you're a lawyer practicing your opening statement then this guy has already won his suit
@@derpdiggler7413 haha hilarious.
You would also assume they aren’t tampering with odometers. Typically when you purchase a vehicle you assume the seller isn’t swapping odometers without a disclosure.
Yeah they have calculated exactly how many miles to run them before the cost too much in lost productivity and repairs when they start breaking down too often. You can bet every one of those trucks is clapped out
@@thebullgator That would be like assuming your buying spoiled food from the grocery store.
This is just one of the reasons that UPS crushes their trucks when they take them out of service!
Same thing I said total agreement
no, it's just UPS uses them until they fall apart and aren't worth selling
@@kruleworld Driver here can confirm
Also their trucks are a proprietary design supposedly optimized for low maintenance, low fuel and max space and they don't want competitors stealing their design.
That must be where my lost package ended up
Here we go again with big corporations left to be untouchable.
This is BS.
Thank you for pursuing this. People that pad their pocket's off the back of the working man are the reason our society is crumbling. All this litigation is a waste. There's a crook stealing from us all when they steal from you. The crook has been singled out & a Judge needs to end this. It sounds like someone is being protected...
JR. Tom Layton here, the Plaintiff. Thank you for your comment and support. What is very, very sad is your local and State law enforcement fails to do anything about this because its against a big company. We have filed at least 6 State complaints and all have closed the investigation saying FedEx is an out of State company and they have no control over them. If YOU or I did this we would already be in prison !!!
I drove those trucks for fedex contractors for 10 years, and yes I remember some trucks made the same year same trucks and some had original analog odometer and some have the digital one, always thought it was odd now I see why lol
FedEx needs to be nailed for this,They knew the Truth
Tom Layton here, the Plaintiff. Thank you for your comment and support!
I hope he prevails, and it costs FedEx rather deeply in the pockets.
and then our costs are going to go up too do you realize that
this guy bought a used pos van and he is bi ch ing
@@derick3482 you must be a manager at FedEx considering you said ARE Cost would go up
Well done Tom. You are a decent man. Thank you for being honest. 👍🇺🇸🇬🇧✝️
Tom Layton here, the Plaintiff. Thank you for your comment and support!!!
Just saying if you see a 10+ year old FED EX truck for sell with low mileage it’s definitely too good to be true
My Guess is that FedEx knows exactly what is going on.
They are the one who replace the odometer s, not once but multiple time. Then they use a r i as a legal shield. They can said they are not the one who sale it, ARI in the other hand can say that it is what they received, and the loophole begin.
_Well, this video just confirmed who I will continue to do business with!_ *Definitely not FEDEX!* *UPS FROM NOW ON!💯*
Tom Layton here, the Plaintiff. Thank you for your comments and support. This would be a good lesson for sons. Don't do business with crooked companies !!!!
great reporting Darcy. you're the best.
Shame on FedEx if they did this, but really everyone should assume when buying an old delivery van from a shipping company has at least 500k miles on it.
Mine has 69420
@@LemurJackson nice
@@LemurJackson And a nice new odometer ?
Depends on what else is wrong with it. It really does not take a whole lot to make fixing a fleet vehicle worth less than a replacement. Between the base model price and usually some form of discount for a bulk order something as simple (yet generally expensive) as lifter collapse become more expensive than the cost to replace.... to the company.
Lets say the truck is worth 10k but needs 5k in repairs (making it really worth 5k) you sell it for 4k, the other guy dumps the 5k into it and gets a truck for a little less than what it is worth.
Meanwhile the company writes the 6k difference off on their taxes and goes ahead and buys a new one for 25k and then writes that off as an expense as well.
No they shouldn’t. Not if the listing says “LOW MILES” and list another amount of mileage far lower than what they claim. There is a reason why odometer swaps without disclosure is against the law. Because it is done with the sole intent to mislead and defraud the end buyer of the actual mileage and therefore stated condition of said vehicle. Just because an auction sells “as is”, doesn’t give them a free pass to violate the law and straight up lie and defraud people.
I hope this guy wins and wins HUGE! And that the companies involved also end up with massive fines in the end. Along with an order to “cease and desist” this criminal practice!
Go Tom! Stay persistent, you're in the right and you will win. Only issue I see is that ARI actually own the vehicles. I'd add them to the lawsuit
They were contracted by FedEx. FedEx is, in the end, responsible. When American Airlines was using smaller planes for short flights, they claimed that is was not their planes as they had "contracted" out the flights. The courts held that they were responsible anyway because the tickets were sold by American Airlines. The trucks are FedEx trucks, originally, and ARI is contracted (by FedEx) to sell them. In effect, FedEx IS selling them. They are just using an outside contractor to do it. Ultimately, I believe a court will rule against FedEx. The real criminals here are the auctions.
ARI doesn't really own the vehicle if FedEx gets a cut of the sale price. Sounds very Israeli, if you catch my drift.
Banned from the auctions, for pointing out the truth. I hope he soaks them in court.
Hard to believe that many odometers failed. Seem like it should be easy enough to convince a court why they were not disclosing the odometer change. FEDEX is pointing a finger at the other company but reaped the benefits of a higher sale price.
Yes but, ARI is incentivized to do this since they get a percentage of the sales. The larger the final sales figure the bigger their cut is.
I am done using FedEx as my shipping company. I do not care to support a business that is screwing the little guy. Setting up a UPS account today !
Ya cause ups is any better 😂
Don't think FEDEX is alone. It's just their logo in the news. UPS and any of hundreds of fleet owners needing to liquidate old broken down trucks can and likely is doing this same shit. Just now Hearing about this sorta shit, doesn't means it's not an old con. The old school version of this is sawdust in the differential to quiet trashed gears, effective for a little while, but not the only version of such stuff.
@@STV-H4H you did not hear all the video did you ?? UPS DON'T SELL OLD TRUCKS .
get down and ship with Brown
@@syrpitt exactly ups scraps all their shit because of this!!!
"I'll never look at the moon the same way again" I love this guy! He's hilarious!
That is also to say that I do not find his suffering funny, but I do admire his witty nature in the face of adversity.
Tom Layton here, the Plaintiff. Thank you for your comment and support!!! Comments like yours give me motivation. I have been fighting them since 2017.
"I'll never look at the moon the same again" (lol).
Looked on ebay, sure enough there are fedex trucks with 1/4 the average mileage listed with replaced odometers and no notice.
Denied Request to Talk and did not responded, Banned from auctions Guilty As Fckkkkkkkkkkkkkk lmao
Seems like some shady sh*t, DON'T LET IT GO, that's what everyone else has done....HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR DISHONESTY.
Tom Layton here, the Plaintiff. Thank you for your comments and support!!!
This is why I use the postal service instead. UPS doesn’t know how to deliver and FedEx pulls stunts like this.
LOL ok.
Ari responds *you’re all banned from attending and fedex auctions*
Cudo's to the man aka dealer who brought this to our attention.
Tom Layton here, the Plaintiff. Thank you for your comment and support!
Auctions are "as is, no warranty" dealing. Nobody ever complains when they get a vehicle they thought was trash, but a $3 part fixes. It's called an auction because it's a gamble
Instead of doing actual maintenance just change the odometer
An honest business men. Being it back and doing his research knowing he may never get his money back.
But that is not what happened he is supposed to know before he make a promiss to his buyer. He buy did the research... and really ? A 24 yr old commercial truck... 24 K miles ? they all should have all known better. ARI must have assumed no one would make that mistake.
@@timeWaster76 It is what happened, wether or not if he shoulda known beforehand he still bought the truck back from the guy that made the initial complaint.
Never take word for it. Do research before parting with money. If seller does not understand, then seller is not worth dealing with. Big world, plenty of trucks, keep looking.
I think he’s full of shit
Big corporations doing things like this not surprising it's about the dollar hell with everyone else if this happened to a regular person not a corporation he be in jail
Big corporations aren’t doing it, buildings are not going around harming people and ripping them off... it’s people within the business who are doing the harming of people and ripping off of people lol. INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE need to be held accountable BASED ON THEIR INDIVIDUAL PARTICIPATION IN EAXH INDIVIDUAL CRIME THEY ARE BEING HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR and board members and executives need to be replaced with people WITH MORALS WHO ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT PEOPLE, food, OTHER ANIMALS and our environment.
@@aembusiness but the employees are part of the business... their actions on company time directly reflect the company. His point is that it is a corporate problem because it’s not being addressed weather they gave the order or not. Every employee represents your corporation. Im pretty sure the guy at fleet sales isn’t changing odometers for his personal financial gain. Someone told him to do it. 1 or 2 trucks is one thing. This dude bought over 100 trucks and 96 had the odometers changed. Thats not a mistake on one individual at FedEx.
Exactly ! But FedEx can pay their way out of anything so don't expect them to learn and change because they won't and never will.
How much you want to bet ARI is either owned by FedEx, or by one or more family members of FedEx executives?
Tom Layton here, the Plaintiff. Thank you for your comment and support!!!
How can I contribute to this mans legal fees?
Tom Layton here. Thank you for your kind offer. I will get through this case. What you can do is Spread the Word about FedEx's fraudulent practices.
Thanks again!
You can hook a diagnostic reader to any vehicle and get the true mileage. People in the business of buying and selling vehicles should know this.
You can't do that to the crap my employer makes us drive. There are no computer modules on these vehicles whatsoever. The only computers on these vehicles are the ones with GPS that they shove up our asses, to make sure we don't sit still to long.
It should be no surprise to anyone that any used Fed-Ex vehicle is going to have a half a zillion miles on it. Common sense has to come into play here.
Yeah there's more to this, as it doesn't make sense that anyone would expect these trucks to have the low mileage shown in the video. Guy's right that he shouldn't get trucks with falsified mileage, but he's basically a used car type salesman himself, wanting to make money. Kinda ends up as a scenario where you can't have it both ways, meaning you can't expect to get REAL low mileage trucks on the cheap, and then make great money from them.
THAT'S THE TRUTH! . SELLING TRUCKS FOR OVER 30 YEARS AND EXPECTS TO GET A "LOW MILEAGE" FEDEX TRUCK.
Can anyone blame the guy trying to make a few dollars from fedex
Well you have to think that with all the vehicles they have, they'll be plenty which don't see as much use as others. It isn't unrealistic.
IMO he's just trying to strong arm fedex for a lil coin
A 97 Freightliner with only 43K ? Highly suspect!
Thank you for the comment. Tom Layton, the Plaintiff here. Yes it is suspect. But, when the selling auction Manheim announced it as "43,000 ACTUAL MILES" and the title is signed off by Holman ARI and FedEx as 43,000 actual miles I believed them. Keep in mind I was buying it on an online auction 3, 000 miles away and could not personally inspect it.
To this very day, 7 years later, Manheim, Holman, and FedEx still claim they are not responsible!!!
4:29 Mentions ARI as "a fleet management company"
Q1: Is this fleet management company contracted to maintain FedEx's trucks or do they strictly handle the sale of the older trucks?
Q2: Has anyone looked into ARI's main office to see if there are any ties to former FedEx management?
Do these people really think FedEx would sell low mileage trucks? They get rid of them because they are worn out.
Do you buy food from sketchy neighborhoods? Should one assume the food is obviously spoiled, expired or mystery meat ie rat,cat, pigeon because it's so cheap?
@@Eblis840 What the Hell are you talking about I think you need to change your meds.
@@gemfaceterChange my meds? I think you're just a ignorant bastard.
The condition isn't the issue. It's that they're profiting by lying about the mileage.
I work for fedex and the only time they would ever get rid of trucks is either they have high miles or they're not worth fixing. Usually it's the latter, especially now.
UPS doesnt sell their trucks because after UPS gets done with them, it takes a broom and a dust pan to get rid of them.
I heard they attempt to wash their old trucks and they dissolve like rusty sugar cubes.
Fedex just picks up a broom and sweeps it under the rug.
Wow a crappy company doing marginally legal things to pad profits, I'm sooooo surprised.
The way i've been REPEATEDLY treated by FedEx, this totally makes sense. Even when they make a mistake, or send your package to Kalamazoo instead of Colorado, they always, ALWAYS try to blame the customer. In my business, i am seeing more & more companies that i deal with, that have notices on their websites and in their literature that say "WE DO NOT USE FEDEX",...there's a reason for that. Guess what it is. Go on, i dare ya',...LOL
They will actually change the delivery date on their website on the daily.
I once had them change it 5 times!
It will tell you that the package will be there tomorrow,...tomorrow it changes to the next day,...then the next day it changes to the following day,..and so on.
Haven't had anything delivered by FedEx in quite a few months now.
If they don't clean up their act, i never want to use them or have them deliver to me again.
I've also seen the "WE DO NOT USE FEDEX" disclaimer on TV ads for merchandise.
I wouldn't mind them changing the delivery date, if I could pick up my package at their facility.. Re-scheduling happens. My beef is with them leaving packages out by the street, or on a fence post, because they're in too big of a hurry to walk up to the door. They leave packages in my mailbox so the mailman can't get my mail in there. That is still against the law. They also won't let you go to their facility to pick up a package that needs to be signed for. They expect you to take off work and stay at your house until they show up. Then, what if they don't show up that day?
They just have poor business practices that need to be changed. They truly don't care about the customer.