Well, I Didn't Like The Bear Season 3
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TIMESTAMPS
0:00 Intro
1:18 A Lack of Focus
6:28 The Problem With Claire & The Faks
9:12 Stuff I Liked
12:43 How Did This Happen
Music:
• Chill Lofi Background ...
Welcome to the season 3 finale of The Bear, also known as The Haunting of Carmen Berzatto. That’s actually where we’re going to begin: this paranormal business. It starts as a joke in episode 5: Sammy Fak (John Cena!) haunts people, which turns out to be a doofy way of saying that he trolls them into submission. But The Bear doesn’t leave it alone. In episode 9, Neil and Ted Fak (Matty Matheson and Ricky Staffieri) tell Carmy (Jeremy Allen White) that Claire (Molly Gordon) is “haunting your ass, dude.” In retrospect, it explains the vibe of the barely lit, ghostly-looking Claire flashbacks.
Clearly, Sammy’s (man)childish bit is meant as a pretty on-the-nose metaphor for how Carmy deals with pain. He has no real coping mechanism aside from work, so his problems never really go away. They stay. Linger. Follow him around. And you know what thwarts a haunting, right? - Zábava
I like what they did with Marcus but at the same time I feel like he became even more of a background character this season
Literally
my points exactly
Marcus’ scenes in Europe were some of my faves in season 2
LMAO WHAT DID THEY DO WITH HIM?? LITERALLY NOTHING HAPPENED THIS ENTIRE SEASON WITH ANYONE. SOME CHICK HAD A BABY 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@CoryTheSimmons this is exactly whta i felt about this season like it was Good, but it felt like nothing rly moved forward? Especially for the restaurant? Like most of what happened is they got a budget assessment with the computer but thats it 😭
the claire rant actually ate- she's so manic pixie dream girl but not manic nor pixie, just "dream girl" so it's so boring to watch... there's no substance
Omg, perfect description for Claire, she kinda manic, kinda pixie, kinda boring, kinda has no substance, she's just a kinda type of person. It feels like I'm being told that she is supposed to be, I don't know important, and I should feel that but I don't. But that's a me issue.
Yeah no depth or nuance to her character. No offence to the actress as she can only do so much with what she’s given
Exactly this! A boring version of the manic pixie dream girl is the perfect description of her.
Shes whatever. I dont see her as significant and i dont find the writers actually making her significant beyond meaning a lot to carmy. I see her more as someone we dont get to know but that apparently means a lot to our main character. Because this show is not about shipping or their romance. Its just apart of his life and shes a family friend. Shes not actually an insufferable main point of focus like sydney.
And I want to believe it's for a reason. I know for a fact it IS for a reason. Especially in this kind of show that has masterful writing, and KNOWS how to write people/characters/their circumstances. The writers should know what they're doing but it's just irritating/annoying for me and I don't know if that's the point. i guess that's what makes me so upset in the first place. That I don't know if that was actually their intention or not
Edit: She's a manic pixie dream girl but without the manic and pixie.
I think the main problem with this season is that it's a set-up season. It's preparing for things to come. Unfortunately, you cannot have exclusively set-up for an entire season of television, especially one like The Bear, that's so fast paced. Nothing pays off and it leaves you feeling frustrated and unsatisfied.
YES!!!
they have always wanted to make you feel the way the characters do in being so stressful some can’t even watch it to heart wrenching to a point where you look away. all characters are frustrated and stunted and frozen and that’s what they made you feel. i loved it
Frrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Yeah, I just watched all of season three and episode. One was really good and the last episode was pretty good but in between that it was dull and repetitive and nothing really happened in the show. It was just I don’t really didn’t really care about these characters and Jeremy Allen is very good actor. He’s really cute but besides it’s likerepetitive that’s all I could say
Thank goodness I wasn't the only one who felt this way!
The ice chips episode had me in tears because I can relate so much to what its like dealing with a difficult and toxic mother. You do everything to distance yourself from them short of cutting them off entirely but when it really comes down to it and those crazy scary life events happen they are still there for you and show up and somehow make you feel okay like a mother instinctively knows how to and is supposed to. Family can suck but it's a beautiful thing at the same time.
Tina’s episode broke me, I was crying so hard by the end, especially at the reveal that the flashback with Mikey showing the text happened at their first meeting. Don’t know where the show is heading but that episode alone makes me not write off season three
Yeah, just seems like Kayla is projecting onto what she wants the show to be, and they used season 2 as a way to test the waters with experimenting with the style of the show. The show is not about shipping, theres a 100 awful CW shows for that nonsense, the fact that she couldnt even acknowledge that they literally said why Carmy and Richie are fighting to the other characters shows her lack of comprehension towards the season smfh. Tina ep was so good, and they already said season 4 would be like a part 2 to 3, as well as the finale, this just came off like a super tone deaf reading, especially when the bear is so dense and overwhelming, you need multiple watches to comprehend a lot of the worldbuilding. Had to rewatch ep 1 to realize that Chi Chi was the same guy who hooked up Carmy w the meat connect.
I know!!!! I was crying too! The writing is so good! People hating just for the sake of hating at this point... Season 3 is a banger ❤
@@artemis7093 people projecting what they want the show to be. This isnt a basic ass cw drama.
Same. Like I'm 20ish years younger then the character yet I'm having same issues with job hunting and being directionless in life. Michael giving her a chance and she actually succeeding in present made me ugly sob for a while. I also love how Sid is with her every time she is frustrated or stressed and you can see her actively building confidence under Sids patient and soft guidance. Literally the opposite of what Carmy experienced and I love that we get both
@@TheUltimateZMAN It's not projecting, it's frustration of seeing an established and much loved show turning into a soap opera. It was a bunch of people swearing, interspaced with over long, moody conversations. Olivia Coleman was a joy as always, but did the chef cameos add anything?
If S4 starts with anyone spending five minutes silently looking morose and lost, then I'm outa there.
I think the scene where Claire talks about the glass table patient is a metaphor for Carmy. He is all cut up and extremely traumatized, but the realization of that, still hasn’t hit him. He’s still trying to ignore it.
I totally understand where most of the criticisms for this season come from, it is a very frustrating series of episodes especially after having to wait a year to follow up on Carmy getting out of that fucking freezer, but I think the whole point is that he’s still stuck in the freezer and is keeping everyone else stuck with him. Carmy has become the antagonist of his own story, and we see mostly through Syds and Richies eyes just how annoying his behavior has become.
Chris Storer knew that part III would absolutely kill the audience, but he also already had part IIII written. In fact, the seasons were filmed back to back. They wrapped filming on both seasons only two weeks before part III premiered.
Anyway, my theory is that we’re going to be getting part IIII a lot sooner than usual, like a matter of six months at most if I had to guess. This would mean we wouldn’t have to ruminate with an unmoving story for too long. Chris probably set it up this way because he knew it would be awhile before he could get actors back, but also because he knew how frustrating this most recent season would be for fans. Idk tho that’s just my theory.
We're definitely getting it sooner since they filmed the seasons back-to-back... although I've heard there are some writing issues so it probably won't be releasing in the next 3-4 months
Are you Chris undercover writing this ?
Ok, but everything in S3 could have been covered in one episode. I spent so much time scrolling through the boring "soapy" bits I doubt I watched more than an hour of S3.
@@davebox588 Alright I get that you’re exaggerating but no we definitely could not have covered
-the introduction of syds conflict
-The closing of ever
-Establishing Marcus’ grief
-All of the fucked up shit with Carmy
-The birth of Nats child
-the build up of the restaurants review
-the fun side episode Ayo got to do about Tina, which is arguably the best in the whole season.
all in one episode. That is insane. It is important to have time to sit and ruminate with these characters so that whenever we get the payoff, it feels like actual payoff.
I think people are misplacing their annoyance at the lack of payoff (which will obviously be coming in the next season) with some kind of empty criticism that “nothing happened in the season” when a lot happens.
@@cdhans5992 Ok, I exaggerated, but not by much. I in fact enjoyed Nina's conversations. It opened up her past and showed her determination, but why were these conversations so long and boring? We covered more seismic changes in S1 without these heart to hearts. In several episodes we went a whole quarter to a third of the episode before we got to anything remotely to do with cooking (and yes, I did count the time).
I suspect those who enjoyed this season also like that soapy, grief and anguish approach, but weren't the earlier seasons successful because they showed the intensity and attention to detail of a successful restaurant kitchen? Syd's rise, the brothers' conflicts, Marcus's fight for perfection - all these were done earlier while actual food prep was going on. In S3 we got a minute or two of gazing in awe at the minute detail that went into a Michelin-starred restaurant, before being dragged into an over long, boring pit of angst and soul searching. Did we ever get more than five minutes of actual cookery per episode? I doubt it.
If I had to summarise the writers room for this season: "The Gang Tries Desperately to Win an Award"
omg that is fucking PERFECT
Ayo Edibiri actually directed the Tina ep!
Good for her. It was the best one, and as even as someone from the younger generation who has had to look for several jobs in the last 5 years, it was absolutely spot-on. All of the advice my mom gave me on job hunting (Give them your physical resume, ask to speak with the manager, lean on your connections) not working out for Tina just made me feel sad, and hope she never has to go through the struggle of looking for a job at an older age, because it’s really a whole different game.
@@ZxykaryI agree that was my favorite episode as well. Interesting fact I didn’t know Ayo wrote it.
yeah she said that in the vid bro
Claire is so boring and so pointless and it drives me wacky. I felt the same way about Nathan’s girlfriend in ted lasso. These weird ass nothing characters get so much screen time and for what? For what??
Claire has very little screen time, what has a lot of screen time is Carmy's obsession with Claire. Think its pretty important to showcase how Carmys trauma leads him to be very obessive both in his work and his love life.
woman moment
they just appear to be the romantic interest of more important characters, literally their only reason to exist on the show
@@zippydog2374 I think the woman moment goes to Jamie Lee Curtis because she was the best actor in the whole show.
Claire literally only has one legit in the present scene this whole season??? It's not her fault she's been mythologized by an emotionally inept egotist.
i hated claire too and all the cringey conversations that went on for far too long and the faks had too much screen time. but that last episode with all the chefs talking about their experiences was inspiring.
The dialogue in this season felt off to me and it was boring. I also didn’t like how they focused so much on Claire. She is a boring character. Episode 8 was also the worst episode in the season. The only episode I really liked this season was episode 6 with Tina. It really explained why she acted the way she did in season 1.
I was initially disappointed with The Bear season 3 because, similar to the things you mentioned, I was expecting the season to move the plot a lot. Season 2, the "Every second counts" season, moved the plot a lot so compared to that season 3 has almost no plot movement. But after accepting season 3 as a 'supporting' season, a season that gives additional back stories and tiny character moments, I was able to appreciate it better (during a re-watch).
Things/moments in season 3 that I like:
1. The contrasting effects of Chef Terry and of Chef David (A*shole Glasses) on Carmy. Carmy often shouts in the kitchen when things are not going smoothly. That's definitely a Chef David effect. Chef Terry was also strict but not an asshole like chef David. In one of the flashbacks, Carmy started raising his voice (not shouting yet) at Luca because Luca can't keep phase with him. Chef Terry told Carmy to keep quiet. You can see from chef Terry's expression that she doesn't approve that behavior.
2. The Tina backstory. It gives the reason why season 1 Tina was so opposed the changes Carmy's doing to The Beef. In the back story, Tina mentioned that she was jealous of those kids (either the young people handling her job applications or the young people that were her competition for the job) because they're 'hungry' and that she have lost that 'hunger'(or passion). Sydney represents that young competition for Tina in season 1.
3. Tiny character moments: Marcus telling Tina something he learned in Copenhagen to help Tina improved her dish. And also, Tina trying to create her own dish. The party in episode 10 (including Chef Terry doing the Salt Bae pose, heating frozen pizza, and putting caviar on waffles). Richie x Jesse.
4. Sydney's dilemma. Sydney wants creative freedom and proper credit for her work. These are her motivations for wanting to leave The Bear. In episode 10, Sydney was listening to the stories and experiences of the chefs that worked in chef Terry's Ever restaurant. Later in the same episode, Sydney started having a flashback of The Bear's crew. Sydney's The Bear stories are like those chefs' Ever stories. If she leaves The Bear now, Sydney's The Bear story ends there. Sydney obviously appreciates The Bear's crew that's why she broke down after having that flashback.
Love this comment. Couldn’t agree more. It’s a really good season; different but good.
I think the Claire monologue was just about how he didn’t feel the pain of the break up until later on. Just like the girl in her story who’s woke up and the drugs hadn’t worn off yet. Carmie cooking and working is his numbing drug.
100%. I do find it comical that she’s under so much more stress than Carmy but is so much more of an adult.
@@katlbird right, like that scene right there really put us into her perspective of him. Just some angry chef guy lol
@@katlbirdi get what youre saying but the stress top chefs are under can very well match or be above that of internal medicine. Stress is all about perception, doesnt really matter the external cause
@@hamm8934 I’m a lawyer so I’m also roasting myself (no pun intended). The bad boss to nervous wreck pipeline is very similar to my own experiences. I was being a little flippant but I also meant that it was a subtle and smart reinforcement of a message that they were also conveying with the non Joel McHale chefs. That where art and joy and nurturing are at the centre of your practice, then the bad days are liveable because things are where they need to be ultimately. With Carmy, you see him recreating not the majority of chefs he’s come across (the loving, tough, but ultimately supportive bosses), but instead Chef David (Joel McHale). With Claire, she’s telling these awful stories about caring for people in the worst moments of her lives but she also loves Mondays. She loves her job. Because the centre is right for her. She is the peace.
But yeah, it made me laugh. My job is currently in the middle of stressing me out to a point that’s unhealthy & among lawyers it’s common to hear “come on, we’re not saving lives”. So to literalise that with the duality of a doctor and chef… it made me laugh. I related.
So yeah, sorry for the essay, just trying to respond with some of the thoughtfulness of your comment, I guess. :)
@@katlbird i hear you :) have a good summer day
The main thing I would say is that season 3 did alot of talking NOT showing. Like every episode and every other scene was just two characters monologuing to each other constantly without moving anything forward. The Claire monolouge about the girl and pain was actually really good If they had used that at all to show Carmy regretting cutting her out but nope he just was a mess and barely talk to or about anyone (not even Mikey) the whole time
“Personality of drying bathroom wallpaper.” Love you
this is why women chose the bear (i dont know anything about this ive never seen this show)
😂
Lmaooo
I saw people shipping Syd and Luca after one conversation lol. Ayo just has great chemistry with everyone. I personally don't see Sydcarm working as a ship because while they push each other to be better professionally, they're not on the same page emotionally. He's also her boss/mentor and that's kind of an uncomfortable dynamic. I can never see them wanting to go past that, unless there's a time skip where they're both in their own respective restaurants and in a better place mentally. Besides, Syd doesn't even seem interested being in a relationship right now (and who knows maybe it's not something she wants in general), so it's hard to see where it's going.
i think the writing and acting is still top notch, but the progression of the plot was too slow. these 10 episodes should have been covered in 5.
can I just say that if they got rid of this whole claire subplot and used that screen time for something of value the season would’ve been so much better… then what hmmmm???
THANK YOU!!!!!! Like, where's our FAMILY!! THEY BARELY INTERACTED
@@aishambengue3024 LIKE we could have more screentime for my girl Sydney I'm still confused by the lack of screentime for her this season, i fear.
@tacoreibrown6560 CLOCK THAT!!! Cause wasn't she supposed to be the CO LEAD !!!!
@@aishambengue3024 like did the writers this season forgot that she's a MAIN CHARACTER as well!!
@@tacoreibrown6560Sydney got a lot of screen time though I definitely didn’t thought this season was mediocre. Sydney not being in it enough when she’s in it all the time is not a criticism I’d have though. If anything Marcus should’ve got more screen time, Sydney’s annoying enough as it is.
I feel like, because the third season is such a set up for future events, that it’s too eary to say whether or not the show has lost its magic because we don’t know what the payoff will be. If season 4 is more lackluster like season 3 was (even though I really liked season 3), then yes, I think it’s fair to say that the show has lost its magic. idk if that makes any sense. Not criticizing you for making this video/titling it what you did, I’m more just stating a fact
I’ve been seeing the “setup season” defense a lot. I’m trying to think of other tv shows dedicating a whole season to setting up the next one and the only example I can think of MCU shows being set ups for their movies. I was really frustrated that nothing was resolved and that my favorite characters Richie Syd and Marcus had way less focus while the fak clowns ate up the screen.
Literally this
What was there to like about this season besides tina and the mikey flashback? There was no plot movement and every episode felt like filler. Im genuinely at a loss here.
@@24kgoldplatedvermeil I'm guessing you didn't like Ice Chips?
@@themoviecritic1092 indifferent tbh. Didnt care for the episode. I feel the show starting in the second season suffered the same fate a lot of modern shows do. They go out of their way to highlight several background characters, convoluting the flow of the overall plot, and what we got was an entire season that barely focused on the main character in season 3. With plenty of episodes about background characters, which is nice for the actor and can be interesting, but overall does little to nothing for the plot. So so what? Season 2 still had so many highs though, that christmas episode was the peak of the series so far for me. Explained so much. Nothing in season 3 had that impact. It was a lot of emotional nothing
This season felt experimental or like…lion king 1 1/2 if you get my drift. It feels like season 2.5 not season 3. Like I’m still waiting for season 3 in the mail.
First episode is like completely running laps in carmy’s psyche and past. Montages, artsy food shots, minimal dialogue or progression in present day plot beats. Whole episodes dedicated to sugar’s birthing moment. Not a lot of reaction beats from other characters as it’s focused on just her and mom’s dynamic.
Marcus’s mother dying and how that naturally slows down things as everyone kind of has to sit and reflect.
Flashback episodes that are great, but again…main plot is on the shelf.
I’m gonna have to rewatch because it’s like the men in black got me and I’m forgetting things fast.
The last episode felt like the inciting incident for season 3. Like…that should be s3 e1. Luca staying for a few months, carmy confronting his abusive co worker/boss, finally seeing some reviews pour in.
Tina's episode was so beautiful
I still think that the season was pretty good, but It's a step down. I mean, they still has a lot of things to tell and places to go.
Claire frustrates me because there is so much that we know about her that could be explored, but isn’t. She’s a doctor, a job that involves caretaking and healing, and has a relationship with Carmy in which involves her as a caretaking and healing presence in his life. We don’t really see Carmy doing the same thing for Claire. She’s just constantly being a good person taking care of the people in her life emotionally, and I would love to see an episode exploring that - maybe just following her “day in the life”. Does it ever frustrate her? Is she drawn to Carmy because to a certain extent, he is like another patient for her to take care of?
Even her one note personality could be explored. Maybe she’s pushing down her flaws and her personality because she feels like she has to be a caretaker all the time. Maybe the way she is perceived by the other characters and how she perceives herself are completely different.
The show doesn’t seem interested in that, which is odd for a show that takes time in exploring so much of what makes each character who they are. Claire doesn’t seem to be a character at all. She only had one purpose as Carmy’s maybe gf and that’s it and that’s a missed opportunity.
If they did this-explored the character of Claire Bear-I would actually like her! You brought up some points I definitely wondered about, but will they ever get explored? Who knows! Hopefully!
Good take.
The faks for me was the WORST decision they could have possibly done. They shoehorned them into EVERY EPISODE, like why do we need a scene of them doing something stupid that doesn't further the plot, when we could be diving more into sydney and her relationship with carmy. This season just felt so off, them trying so hard to convince us that claire was a good character, Carmy yet again yelling and screaming at sydney like she isnt that only reason your restaurant is thriving. The writers need to take their time instead of just spitting out seasons because its become so popular.
yes
I think it’s because Matty Matheson is a producer for the show.
The Faks are God awful. I guess they are supposed to be comic relief but they are NOT
Completely disagree. I wish I had family memebrs like the Faks growing up. Having grown up in a tumultuous household myself, witnessing the camaraderie among the Faks who genuinely love and support each other is healing. Have you considered that the writers might be intentionally mirroring the sibling dynamic between the Faks and the relationship between Carmy and Mike? And also, Claire is, in fact, a well-crafted character. It feels like, to me, most of the disdain for her stems from a possessive audience mentality, where some viewers irrationally perceive Claire as "stealing" Carmy away, which is quite juvenile. And the writing is superb.
I don’t get it because every character has there own moments of comic relief. The original Fak brother is a great character but i feel like he’s just like a mockery of that original character with two brothers who just completely are not needed
i never watched this show, all i know is YES CHEF
the goal of the season is to get a star, they did everything they could and there's nothing more to do but to wait, that's why the last episode is not in the bear but in Ever, the story of these other chefs are the tool writers use to reflect the struggle of Sydney and Carmey; Sydney is struggling about whether she should take the CDC deal since its almost like she could never get the same validation the other chefs talks about from Carmey while Carmey slowly realizes that he is slowly becoming the same chef that tormented him in Empire , Ever closing down is also chef Terry's answer on the question whether if devoting everything you have to reach perfection worth it which is also the theme of the entire season. the last episode is almost perfect imo
The show is being plagued by all of the celebrity cameos. The core cast is not full of celebrities. So when there’s a cameo, it’s very out of place. It loses its genuine and realistic style.
Disagree. It’s serves the same purpose as in Oppenheimer for example
Completely agree, I had the same issue with the Christmas episode. Seems like people loved it but I was just like, why is John Mulaney here? Why is Sarah Paulson here? There wasnt even a strong explanation of who all those characters were and why they were part of the family dinner, so it just felt like a bunch of actors crammed into one set for the sake of star power
I liked the cameos in season 2 because they popped up like a fun surprise but this season it’s overkill. It’s like they’re saying “look how many celebs we know that wanna be in our show!!”
@@trialerror2920 If John Cena was in Oppenheimer then he would be out of place and distracting.
@@MAX-de8fe yet other stars in Oppenheimer don’t bother you 🤷♂️. I mean they serve the purpose to catch your eye, cause otherwise those characters (like Rami Malek for example) will get lost for you and you won’t feel their importance, even though they appear on the screen for a couple of minutes. You’ll probably argue with me that John Cena isn’t that important, but the same goes with Olivia Colman for example, who turned out to have quite an important part in my opinion. Anyway, that’s just my opinion🤷♂️
Season 2 was my favourite gosh I loved the episode with Marcus and Luca
High point: Save It For Later by the English Beat is one of my all-time favorite songs.
That being noted, I kept dozing off.
The hospital & Tina episodes were the best. The struggle for love and acceptance.
Too many montages, I think. Tina's backstory episode was brilliant, as was the birth episode. Olivia Coleman brings much-needed maternal energy. All three principals - Carmy, Syd, Richie - feel lost, distracted, haunted. At times it felt like I was watching a film rather than discrete episodes.
Ok so it’s not just me I just said to myself what happened this season was not good. this was a really good analysis
I don’t mind Claire but I don’t like Carmy … is that controversial? Claire is a decent person, boring to watch but Carmy sucks as a person. I get you have trauma but just mistreating the people closest to you and never learning from your mistakes is annoying to watch. He even started affecting Ritchie who was improving. The problem is definitely Carmy
I had some of these same thoughts after watching the season for the first time. However, after thinking about it for a day I changed my mind. In my opinion, this is part one of a two part arc of the story. These ideas that go no where are still boiling. They are building tension. The pot is boiling. Sid's decision, the review, Carm reaching out to his mom and claire, the non-negotiables etc. are going to pay off. We are still building towards these payoffs.
Yes it feels like nothing happened but that is the point. In my opinion this is only part one of these conflicts. We were not meant to see them payoff. It sucks and makes this season feel empty and weak, but after seeing where these stories are going to pay off it will in turn make the build up (season 3) more meaningful. It's frustrating but the "To be continued," kind of makes this theory have life in my opinion. If this theory is true, then it would be like watching Dawn of the Planet of the Apes and saying it sucks because nothing pays off, while there is still a last part to the story.
The fak's did get annoying I totally agree lol.
Also, the last episode has some of the best dialogue about what restaurants are. As someone who has managed restaurants for over 4 years, not only is the majority of this show accurate as hell, but the last episode made me cry as it relays the message of what restaurants stand for. The fact that the characters relaying the messages are actual chefs makes it even cooler. They go into heartwarming detail about why they do what they do. Restaurants are hard. They beat you down and then beat you down more. But falling in love for the intimacy of what a restaurant stands for is what keeps you going. I unfortunately disagree with what you said.
THIS. Carmy is still locked in that freezer and we're all there with him, for better or worse.
i was also SO disappointed, because season 2 was perfection, and season 3 was good but felt off. there were way too many story lines, that a. often made little sense and b. were often not fully followed through. i think the producers just got greedy due to the success of season 2 and wanted to cash in as much and quickly as possible. apparently season 3 and 4 were filmed back to back, which means they wrote and directed 20+ episodes in the same time they used to write and direct 8 episodes in. the first episode was great for setting up a great season, episode 8 was good because we finally learned a little bit more about the upbringing of the berzattos, but the episode about tina for example was too long, too slow, and too predictable. i really hope they re-edit season 4, which is actually just the second part of the third season, and tie those loose ends. my biggest problem is: why is carmen losing his shit and sabotaging his own success? he broke up with claire to focus on the restaurant, just to change menues daily for no reason and throw everyone and everything off? why couldnt they stick to one menu a month? whats wrong with using affordable produce and using the cooking skills and not orwellian butter to make things taste extraordinary? its almost like he wants to run it into the ground?
personally, i thought that while it definitely pales in comparison to the first two seasons, it was still a good season. i understand the criticisms many people have with how unfocused and slow this season feels, but i think it still does enough to push things forward. i agree with your take on the faks. while i know they’re supposed to be comic reliefs and they have good moments, i think they had too much screentime compared to other characters. also, i agree completely with the marcus take. i thought he’d be a main standout character this season and all the pieces were there, but there wasn’t enough time spent with him and his growth. similar to you, i never really think much about claire. like, she’s just… there, which is problematic since she, in essence, is supposed to be important to carmy’s story. the tina episode is my favorite and really solidifies her as one of my top favorite characters in the show. ice chips was a good episode, too. however, i disagree with your take on the finale. personally, i really enjoyed it and didn’t mind the chefs talking about their experiences at the table. i think it does help push the plot in the sense that these testimonials are what syd has to think about for her career and legacy and while the chefs are all having a fun time reminiscing and chatting about how important the industry is, carmy’s so caught up in his trauma from chef david and worrying he’s becoming the same person (which is very scary to see because it parallels his relationship with syd). plus, i liked the party at the end with everyone making waffles and doing salt bae poses. it also feels like andrea terry’s restaurant is what carmy wants the bear to be like, yk? the organization and high tempo feel done right with a legacy and head chef (terry) to be respected. it’s the final version of the bear, assuming carmy gets his shit together and doesn’t self-implode. to wrap things up, cause atp, i’m just yapping, i think there’s still some merit to this season and is something that’ll grow on people in time. it’s not perfect and i know why it isn’t a hit for everyone, but even at its weakest, it still is a great piece of television, imo, and sets season 4 to be its best season.
It really felt like a nothing burger of a season. The characters haven't really progressed much in their main arcs. Richie still isn't completely over his ex and has a bad relationship with Carmy. Sydney is in a worse position than she was in at the end of season 1. Carmy is hung up on Claire, for some reason. Claire is still a 2-dimensional character. Marcus never really got shown grieving, despite all the set up from season 2. Tina is still struggling to find her footing. Fak is actually more incompetent than in previous seasons. Natalie's relationship with her mom is slightly less strained, I guess? Ebra seems to be doing good, despite getting like 2 seconds of screen time total.
I think the biggest flaw is that the core dynamic is Carmy + Sydney + Richie and yet those characters barely interacted, and when they did it was extremely strained. It was more of a quiet resentment building between them with no final blowout. I get that that makes sense for Carmen's arc, but why not have more interactions with Syd and Richie when the past 2 seasons had tons of those?
I'm still not sure the choice to underwrite Claire is intentional or not. I don't even think it's a "men who can't write women" issue either, because The Bear has three major female characters who are all very dynamic and well written. Why drop the ball on Claire if she's supposed to be the main love interest for Carmy? Are we supposed to root for them, or not? I feel like no, because instead of seeing them being "good for each other" we're just told that they are and that they should be together by like 18 different characters.
I think what's frustrating about this season is that it's not incompetent enough to flat out say it's awful, but whether it's good or not is entirely riding on what happens next in the show. We're left with just set-up and no pay-off so we don't even know if the set-up was worth it yet.
I don't watch many shows that are currently airing, mostly because I get unreasonably disappointed if the show is cancelled or gets shit. I've been avoiding The Bear especially due to the hype, but I've been keeping up with the audience reviews and everything. I think I'll wait until the show wraps up to give it a go, I don't mind set up seasons as long as I can watch the next season immediately.
Isn’t the point of the season supposed to be “unfocused” cuz that’s literally Carmy. Everyone keeps asking him how he is, because regardless of how “hard” he’s working, he’s SO UNFOCUSED. He’s a mess, I think the season portrays that disconnect pretty well tbh
Yeah, I caught that. Very distracted.
it's baffling to me how defensive people get about hating sydcarmy and its shippers as though shipping two main characters in a show is crazy and unheard of... anyway, i hope when s4 drops this season will be more palatable but the choice to meander and give *nothing* but set up to your audience is... interesting
they have literally 0 and i truly mean 0 chemistry. its weird to ship someone with another person who's being emotionally abusive and manipulative
@@alfdlgnaat disagree with the ship all you want - no one who ships them cares. your life is better spent not giving a fuck if people ship sydcarmy or not
@@tonesthetic your life is better spent not obsessing over fictional abusive relationships cupcake
@@alfdlgnaat i love when people don't like some ship so they have to call it abusive to attain some false moral high ground ^^ argue with the wall or move on, i already said no one cares abt your opinion 👍
@@alfdlgnaathow is it abusive 🤨
It did feel corny at times but I believe this artistic approach is supposed to feel “off” and “wonky” because that’s the state of carmy rn. He’s in some weird slump, he’s in some weird fog, he’s just exploding and bottling all of it. So I think part 2 of season 3 is going to be way more explosive and resolute because this first part was really leading up to all of that. We shall see 😅
That's some The Flash level coping. "THE WONKY CGI IS INTENDED. IT'S THE THEME"
No, it isn't. You rush production and the product doesn't come out good. That's what happened to the Bear.
I honestly think season 3 would’ve been worse if they released it weekly and it would’ve gotten even more criticism , the binge model works for this show because it is so fast paced … not for season 3 though because literally nothing happened until the last minute lol
I dislike that everyone thinks that there needs to be resolution or change. I love how broken everything is, how unconnected everything feels. He’s regressing. He’s falling into the trap that his brother did. Everything is falling apart because he doesn’t think he’s good enough. Zuko didn’t change anything about himself for all of season 1 of Avatar, Zuko regressed in season 2 of avatar. Carmy is unable to break out of the mentality that has been forced into him. And he’s forcing the bear to be like the places that ruined him. Forcing himself into a stasis he put himself in, and one that his brother was in. Fine dining is a tar pit when you are unable to connect to your restaurant like a family. The way ever felt. Perfection ignoring connection is the plot of this season. They say it in the last episode. The issue is that carmy ignores it. An arc where someone is yelled to be better and can only connect to that after the final blow is a good arc. They know where they are going. We just need bear to take us there
I haven’t watched the show yet. I don’t have much to say about it but from what I can tell. It peaked early with reception and awards and everything. Honestly for the show to big as big as it is. You’re the first person to actually say what the show is about.
I really don't understand why they keep trying to push the character of Claire on us, her character is one dimensional and reeks of "manic pixe girl" but maybe it's intentional, or so I use to think. In season 3 it was just cringe to hear "Clair bear" being thrown around all the time. I think the anecdote about her treating a patient could have also served as providing insight into her world and its nuances but it did not land well. Oh my and not to mention the scene at the hospital. Homegirl out here trying to save lives and the Faks going over to talk about Carmy at the hospital just diminishes her character even further. At that point it felt as she had literally transformed into a prop for a failing plotline. I was hoping they would expand on the dynamic of Sydney and Carmy because it comes through as more authentic, but it feels like they toned it down. Would love to know others thoughts on this.
Just watched season 3 yesterday
Already forgot all story beats
Because there aren't any
Meanwhile I remember Seven fishes and Forks more than a year later
this video captured exactly my issues with the season! i need those writers to listen to everything u said and reflect on their approach to s4 because if not... its looking rlly bad for this show
This season was just vibes.
for I don’t trust think s3 is awful? like its very much still great television don’t get me wrong. it’s just that the bear has set a standard for itself so to see it fall flat of that standard is disappointing. that said, however’s there are certain some scenes in season 3 that have moved me more than anything out this year in MY OPINION.
I LOVEEEDDDDDDDDDDDD this season. It was really good. “Needed more time to cook” is Hilarious** considering it was purposely slowly because it was specifically created for CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT
Facts
People have a right to complain about bad story progression. Character development isn't everything.
Honestly peoples reaction to this season reminds me of how artic monkeys fans were pissed that their album after AM wasnt EXACTLY like AM lol. Its ridiculous that people cant open their minds to different things or even terrible things. Life goes to shit sometimes, theres not always progress being made. Also, whats with the Ayo hate? Shes a hilarious, creative, beautiful person. Shes my favorite part of this series and i just want her character to succeed. Its weird how people are so quick to say that claire and carmy are meant to be and have such great chemistry with each other whenever i got none of that from watching them. Their conversations always sounded like a bunch of nothing. Also carmy couldve gotten the best aspect of his relationship with Claire (literally just someone who listens) by going to therapy. Btw Sydney and carmy have actual passions and similar goals to one another, most of the time they are on the same page (except now bc carmy's losing it a bit lol) i think no matter what their relationship is, they are soulmates. Though before any sort of romance, he needs to work on himself first, by talking to a therapist. Idk i just wanted to write out my thoughts so i can stop angrily commenting on other peoples shit its rlly embarrassing lmao
not everything has to move the plot, "unnecessary" scenes are still necessary; i also do not get the hate for claire? how long was her screentime this season? claire was one of the good things in carmy's childhood, and one thing about carmy is his inability to let go of the past, he's being haunted by the past. so you just can't say that claire is a bad character, so what if she is basic, some people irl are basic, not every character has to be likeable for the audience, the characters in the show each have their own personalities and motives, the bear did not lose its magic, that conversation should be made if they fumble next season.
exactly. This season was slow but Its not like we should just lose faith in the next season. I have a feeling that if season 4 is amazing, people will come back and understand why season 3 was necessary. Although if season 4 is not amazing, then they fumbled the bag lol.
Tbh, I'm surprised Syd and Carmy haven't gotten together already. I checked in with this season and was like "Dang, we're still doing that? (Platonic song and dance?) Oh, okay!"
I’m not sure why you guys have put in your mind that they like each other past a friendship level. The show has never once even really hinted at that
@@raymondsims7042Yeah. I just binge s1 and 2 earlier this year, and while their are hints of chemistry, the show makes it clear that they are mostly mentor-mentee. Also, eww. Like Sydney is a wonderful character(or was until the writers gave her nothing to do this season) and pairing her up with an emotional wreck like Carmy makes no sense considering he's the source of most of her stress.
Again shipping in general is super cringe when people take it seriously and get surprised when the writers weren't reading tumbler or reddit for ideas.
Bloody shippers, the LCD of audiences
@@PKdororo I 100% agree with you
NOOOOOO 👹 I HOPE THIS SHIP DROWNS
i feel like the majority of the criticisms are due to the massive popularity and funding around the show…more seasons are pushed so the storyline has been stretched. This entire season could have been 4 episodes😂
that is exactly i think happened. especially since they were attempting to write season 3 and 4 at the same time. i think the ran out of ideas or time to write so they gave us have a season disguised as a full one.
This video spoke to me like I agree with all of this. This season makes me so conflicted cause I missed a lot of the intimate and tender moments of the show. Also, as a sydcarmy truther of myself this season..... kick our asses.( Episode 1, Napkins and Ice Chips are the best episodes)
Too many monologues, too many scenes with no normal conversations that had music playing over it and too many scenes of the fak brothers messing around. That’s why it felt empty
Idk why this show keeps trying to make Claire happen, she's not going to happen smh
The conflicts in the first seasons seemed organic and the current ones feel contrived, that's my takeaway.
Carmy and Clair have no chemistry at all, even their body language in scenes just doesn't hit....
I agree with you on most things except that final episode. I really liked it, maybe top three of the season? I knew who most of the chefs were and although I thought their stories went on for a little long, I thought the fact that Syd was interacting with them whereas Carmy wasn't, felt telling.
Especially when they were talking about what asshole bosses they had, and Carmy was looking at his asshole boss across the table, but Sydney was ltierally sitting next to hers.
I don't think Carmy has like fully broken Syd like his NY chef broke him, but her throwing up after service last season and her panic attack in the final moments of the season shows how much Syd is breaking down just like Carmy was.
They focused way too much on Claire for absolutely no reason… instead of giving us more scenes digging into the characters and relationships we’ve learned to love.
We’re focusing energy of longing towards someone we literally don’t know anything about besides the fact that Carmy likes her. It makes no sense for Richie to be so in awe of her when EVERYONE else earns his admiration, for the Fak brothers thinking they know more about Carmy’s feelings than himself even though they really don’t know him, for everyone else to prioritize her above their own friend/family because he hurt her feelings during an anxiety attack locked in a fridge.
Claire hasn’t EARNED anyone’s (including the audience) respect, love, or even support yet were focusing the entire season her. It’s a cop out instead of actually redirecting our energy on Carmy rebuilding these meaningful connections/relationships with people who understand and truly know him! 🖤
It was so good. The story and character development were wonderful. It built tension and made you think. It made you want more and explained things from the past. It was amazing. The ending was powerful and moving and made me cry. I love it. It was art in seriel TV show format. Be patient it was building to an epic finale that will be addressed.
I haven't finished S3 yet, but the Tina episode was amazing. I have always rooted for Tina, and I love that this is her backstory. This entire season so far feels like a setup that will propel big changes in S4, but that seems like a risk in the age of streaming.
for every ep i tried to take talking point notes for when my fiends finish it and we can talk about it. at one point i just forgot / stopped writing anything down bc there wasn’t even anything there , there’s still stuff i liked bc i love these characters but there’s just too many things that felt useless and not even useless in a way that’s still enjoyable bc it’s funny or bc it’s a nice side moment just , why was it there for 😭 hopefully season 4 is better , i still love the first 2 seasons a lot i watched them both 3 times , i don’t think this season aside from the first ep and tina’s focus ep are ones that i would be excited to re watch
oh you ATE with that last line 😉
Guys come on season 3 is very obviously a set up for season 4. It's like critizing across the spiderverse for being a set up for the 3rd movie in the trilogy. it's all for a reason. It's all for a purpose. You guys should learn from Tina, be patient. I swear on my life, the wait WILL be worth it.
Anyways, i don't really understand why you guys didn't like the more character driven episodes. I do like the plot, i do. I'm very excited to see how the story ends, but i think characters are JUST as important as the story itself. Good characters empower a good story. The combination of these two things makes it an even better show.
But i guess you can also contradict these statements by naming series (instead of a movie, that i had listed, which has less showtime than an actual series) that only have around 1-2 seasons that have a full story and fully developed characters and such, like arcane? That show was absolutely incredible. The second season is coming out soon, which I'm very excited about, and the world building, the characters, the filmography that's incredibly smart. They got so much done in such little time and it's genuinely such a good story. But all good stories take time. I think we can wait.
Everything else aside though, i absolutely agree with the rant about Claire
season two was such a banger it was hard to follow up tbh
I’m late for this cause I wanted to watch the season first. Thank you for mentioning the bit on Tina & Mikey. Best part of the whole season.
theyve done the binge model since season 1 btw
It’s still good. It’s not dropping off like the boys is.
agreed, its different but still good. on the other hand w the boys episode 4 being good and everything before and now after it (so far) being ass is making me nervous lmao
@@zakourille haven’t enjoyed any episode so far this season. Feels very scatterbrained and more focused on weeding out dumb republicans from watching.
@@zakourille I kinda am dropping The Boys, I heard what Episode 5 was about and I am done with reveling in the sadism, with I guess Homelanders son being ordered to get people to hurt each other, I think we get it that Homelander can make anyone do what he wants or face some grim punishment.
@@Ruddline yeah it’s a broken record at this point
@@Ruddline the absolute craziest thing about that episode is that it ends with homelander talking about how different things will be, like no, theyre going to be exactly the same
It's a season about recognized and non-addressed traumas and how it impacts not just themselves but everyone around them. Claire's appeal is simple: She is a kind, decent, and relatively mundane human being who was a stabilizing factor in Carmens otherwise tumultuous life and grounded him compared to all his other really screwed up relationships. Seasons 3 feels the most real of any of the seasons yet and actually humanizes a lot of these characters who felt like they could have just as easily slipped into caricature. Everyone is looking for some sort of heroes journey arc every season, and that's not how real life works (especially in F&B) a lot of the time.
I personally enjoyed how the show decided to take a step back from the huge intense moment that was the finale of Season 2. Being able to tap into the mind of Carmy a little more and focus on some of the other characters felt raw to me. I think the show just really wanted to express how sometimes stuff just doesn't get resolved right away, things take time, life takes time... and I think these episodes helped execute that premise. I think the show needed a season like this one, and they were working on this season and Season 4 back-to-back, so hopefully, it won't be long now.
In conclusion, I don’t think the series itself lost steam... it just decided to cool down
Never seen the bear but I’m here for the vids lol :)
Even Hulu thinks we should choose _The Bear_
Wait....season 3 was released!?!?
Chef Winger
Your TV review where you talked about The Bear was what convinced me to watch the show in the first place! I enjoyed the new season & look forward to the next!
The first two seasons are definitely better, but there was a lot I liked about s3. I hope Ayo gets a directing nom!
Lol I noticed she changed the title because I didn't watch the finale yet and didn't wanna get spoiled so I put the video on hold and am just now coming back to it a few hours later.
Love thefaks. And your takes. A whole season of set up... Damn.
This whole season felt off to me. Most episodes felt too "Artsy" like they got some acclaim and praise so now lets have a bunch of nothing moments, flip flops in time, and extended close up shots of peoples faces for an uncomfortable amount of time. I remember skipping through several episodes because it felt like nothing was happening or that the same situation kept repeats (episode 1 and 8 were the biggest offenders). I still love what the show was during the first 2 seasons so I'm hoping it corrects itself in s4.
its still very good just not as much content and story progression so just be patient and it will pay off in season 4, there still are a lot of good episode in season 4 like the birthing, tina's past and the last dinner in Ever.
Why would we do a "is this what Mikey would want" subplot? He knew Carmy wanted to make a real restaurant and he left The Beef to Carmy, he gave him the full pass to go wild and do what he wanted with the place.
Ugh, I do not want Sydney and Carm to have a romantic dynamic. The compulsion to have everyone be a couple is so uninteresting. I think I professional, platonic relationships between people of opposite sexes doesn’t happen often enough in media. Plus he’s so much older than her and I think it would be a warped power dynamic that I’m not into at all.
THIS
I always enjoy your content, Kayla! I’m pretty much on the same page with you for this season of The Bear.
I would like to add two things:
- The chef conversation during the funeral dinner was indulgent. Half way through it, I remember thinking, “oh these people are real?” For me, it’s the writers’ way to visibly align Carmy’s fictional life in the real world while paying additional homage. Though it could have been shorter, it’s definitely a way to say Carmy is in another league because of his former colleagues/teammates.
- Syd’s and Carmy’s relationship reminds me of a tweet I saw about “creative soulmates” vs romantic partners. I can’t see the writers’ room making their relationship more than something dramatically heartbreaking at the end.
I would be more interested to see Syd and Luca develop a romantic storyline - one that’s fulfilling and healthy since I don’t think they’ll put her with Marcus without high drama too.
On the other hand, I think the Syd/Carm ship would be interesting because folks who work intense hours in high stress environments (hospitals, court rooms, etc.) are likely to date or connect.
For me this season was definitely disappointing. for me season 1 of the show is 10 out of 10 the best season of Television I think I've ever seen. In season 2 had some of the highest highs of the entire show with the Christmas episode and the episode focused on Richie. My biggest issue with season 3 is that it genuinely felt off the whole time everything felt longer but somehow nothing was happening. the dialogue is always great and as someone studying screenwriting I'm extremely impressed on how they do this. but it got to the point where the scenes kept going when they should have probably ended 3 minutes ago and to me it felt like maybe that's the point it's meant to feel uncomfortable but it should never get to the point that I'm actively checking how much time is left in the episode. I liked elements of the first episode and I liked that episode 2 was a long argument but also I just felt it could have been executed better. I love the Tina episode and I love the hospital episode.
For me I think the showrunners and writers started buying into their own hype and whenever that happens with creatives it becomes a problem. because now they can think they can do anything and it's clear that they probably shouldn't be doing anything they want. And there is too many celebrity cameos I don't typically care about that kind of stuff but even seeing John Cena broke my brain because I'm a wrestling fan and seeing him in anything kind of confuses me. And I'm so bought into the world of the show that seeing genuinely extremely famous person John Cena not being extremely famous person John Cena makes no sense to me because we know famous real people exist in the show why is John Cena actually just a character?
Me and my mother watched both seasons of the bear for me I was rewatching it she was seeing it for the first time and she loved it. and she related heavily with the show. but even this season, I could tell she was losing interest. It got to the point where she was actively disinterested and was telling me that she wanted to take breaks. And my mom isn't as media literate as me so if she's telling me that I know there's a problem.
Again I think the show is extremely well made the music's great the acting is amazing the dialogues always incredible but something just fell off and I feel like even if this entire season set up and we're going to get the fourth season quicker than we expect it still should be able to stand on its own two feet and the season doesn't really do that. For me I always see The Bear as a shining example of writing for television and someone studying this it's disappointing to see that it seems like the writers aren't putting their best foot forward.
This is getting very rambly but I'm just thinking too much and I'm going to continue writing. I feel like the show was starting to lose its identity because one of the main reasons I watched season 1 is because I like the dynamic of this guy coming from the world of Fancy High dining cooking having to go back because his brother killed himself and take over his restaurant and everyone is against him because of where he's coming from. And I feel like as the show went on and the sandwich shop is no longer a sandwich shop it's now this fine dining restaurant it feels wrong. I don't know I just really like season 1 more than season 2. And I feel just that the show for me has been getting worse for each season not like it's gone from a 10 to a six more like it's gone more like 10 to a 9 to an 8. Again I think the show is really well made and I hope they stick the landing for season 4 but I am definitely disappointed with the season it's still good but it doesn't reach the same heights is the best way to say it.
I don’t agree on the last episode, I liked it, had some humor from Luca’s character and the chef talk was fine for me. I just feel disappointed by the fact that this season left too many loose ends especially since carmi and syd barely spoke to each other meaningfully and I wish that during that last episode dinner that Camry had found out she was leaving. I needed something like a proper argument between the two of them finally
That seven fishes episode would’ve been so boring without all the a-listers in it. If you’re going to stress out the audience with a conversation at a dinner table, put mulaney in it
Yes
the season focused way too much on the backstory rather than the actual story, there were too many moments where i didnt really know if they were having a flashback or if it was present time, like that one episode was all about natalie im like really??? what does that have to do with the actual show, they got lazy with this season plain and simple….
Every new Fak introduced just pissed me tf off after a while
I thought episode on Carmys journey was beautiful. The shots, the music, the details.
Agreed Tina’s episode is my favorite this season.
Actually another point I was hoping carmy would realise he's a terrible person but no he just gets worse and nothing comes about because of it
To be fair I think that he has by the end after his conversation with his old head chef
So cooked is a bad thing, but cooking is a good thing?
yep
Its like roasting. The one who gets roasted is cooked. The one who is roasting is cooking. Gen Z term for an old analogy
In regards to The Bear season 3 what is the obsession the Faks and Cicero have on Claire and Carmy. Who cares this much about a relationship that is not theirs.
maybe a dig at fans?
Family cares. They know how hard Carmy has had it and they want to see him happy.
@@RichardLasquite they are not his family and Carmy seems to barely tolerate them.
@@NA86737 Family comes in all forms. They may not be blood related but they grew up together and spend holidays together... That's family.
Ice chips: an episode about the 2 worst characters in the series.
And if you disagree because of sugar’s dynamic, aside from being pregnant and a mom character to the faks, what does she bring to the show?
i reallyyyyyy expected them to use end of beginning :( would have been a nice nod
You mean Season 3 Part 1?
I loved it. This show can do no wrong in my opinion. Plus with the to be continued…ending I figured there was a part 2 coming. So my expectations wasn’t to have closure right away. I understood that. I’m anticipating more and that is still exciting for me.