I think the oscar’s selfie was so retweeted because it was the start of seeing celebrities in a more casual context. Instagram was just really picking up steam and a lot of people had never seen big celebrities in pictures that were not professionally taken, that’s what made it a novelty.
Yes!!! It was also the transition into touchscreen phone as there were many people in my high school just switching to touchscreens from flip phones/ bricks
As if Mariah couldn’t say “Nope, I’m not answering and I’m not drinking.” Y’all insist that THE Mariah Carey had noooooo choice but to tell Ellen this deep secret?? You can definitely tell who the kids are around here.
i feel like ellen is the perfect study in tolerance of ambiguity. the show being cancelled was probably correct, and as an old white rich woman she probably does have some shitty views. and yet the positives she's achieved are still there and can be acknowledged. both of those things can be true at the same time. it's just probably a good idea not to idolise strangers that we don't even know personally
I hated when she'd scare a guest. Felt the same when Jimmy Kimmel did those "I ate all of your candy" jokes to kids. This culture of humiliation as humour needs to die.
omg I hated that "I ate your candy" one!! SOME of the parents seemed to look remorseful like they realized how fucked up what they did was... but SO many look absolutely GLEEFUL at making their children sob. Half the time the children were infinitely more mature than their parents. The parentification starts earlier and earlier...
I hate the pranks in stores too. They do not know who these unsuspecting people are and what was going on with their day and they decided to mess with them and waste their time anyway.
The Dakota Johnson part was definitely the starting point. I do believe this was something that would’ve eventually happened. The first big wave was when Beauty Guru Nikki Tutorials was a guest, and everything seemed fine during the interview. It seems like she got to meet one of her hero’s. But then when Nikki went on Dutch talk show she explained there that she was treated horribly and Ellen and was having a better time on the Dutch talk show. Then once lockdowns happened the food bank tweet was circulating that’s when people really looked back at some older clips, and realized Ellen’s true colors.
I remember how excited Nikki was to get that opportunity and she wasn't even mad, she was like, heartbroken over the whole thing. It was so sad and people were SHOCKED to hear this. It was definitely a "rose colored glass shattering" moments.
Admittedly as a Dutch person, that interview was mistranslated by drama channels. Like, Nikkie was certainly not speaking fondly of the experience, but the famous drama channel that subbed it really made it sound worse then what Nikkie was actually saying.
10:02 I don't like her at all, but I find disgusting that Ellen got canceled harder than other people in the industry that keeps getting away with sexual abuse or violence accusations
her brand of bullying was so widespread and chronic and reached even lesser celebrities. Why are you surprised she got tossed tf out? Just because she didn't rape anyone doesn't mean she wasn't grade A trash. She knowingly offered alcohol to a pregnant woman to trick her into revealing her pregnancy.
@@NTNG13I don’t think OP was arguing that Ellen wasn’t that bad, I think they were just frustrated that whereas Ellen’s behavior was (rightfully) met with massive ridicule and tangible consequences, other celebrities in a similar vein as her haven’t been met with that same response.
Regarding the Oscars selfie: you referred to it as a joke. It wasn't a joke, it was a stunt. This was around the era of "break the internet" culture where celebs just wanted to go viral for pulling stunts, like having a selfie with as many A-listers as possible. Everything else I agree with so far but wanted to clarify that.
I went to college for television and my junior year, in 2017, we took a networking trip to LA. We visited the Ellen set and via connections got to meet with the Director. She was extremely professional and said nothing explicitly, but her answers to our questions made it so clear what type of environment Ellen fostered. As a longtime fan of Ellen I was so sad
I think Ellen’s cancellation was so swift because people had somewhat of an idea that this “be nice to one another” shtick was somewhat of a facade. I would watch the show from time to time and would see her belittle, undermine and bully guests all the time!! And I was only a casual viewer. I couldn’t imagine what it would be like to work with someone like her - yikes.
You just didn’t understand her humor, so you interpreted that as being a jerk. Ellen was ridiculously generous and good-hearted. And she’s funny. She was bad at being a boss, got really rich, and people wanted to destroy the rich white lesbian. Period.
@@deshaunx776 If you're making jokes at someone else's expense or making them look stupid in front of an audience and they don't find it funny, you're being a jerk
The Ellen selfie wasn't a meme or intended to be a meme, it was just an image that was newsworthy for a day. Not every widely shared thing is a meme. At least that's how I remember it, I guess it's conceivable that some people shared it in a meme-like way
Ellen’s downfall was seen coming since like 2015, there was a Reddit post of soooo many people complaining about Ellen and how bad it is working with her but it was until 2020 when we were all locked up and she made the comment that it was “like being in jail” when she was in her mansion that made people turn on her and then when Nikki Tutorials said she didn’t like how she was treated in the Ellen show, people started digging and found all the comments of her that have been there for years started to gain attention, people started looking closer to how she treated her guest and it just blew up all at once.
People forget that the Ellen Show was canceled and she disappeared until Finding Nemo. Finding Nemo brought her back and she got the show afterwards. She suffered for coming out, I don't agree with what she's done recently but she has fallen before
@@jeanetteblankenship6107 I’m sorry! I didn’t mean to insinuate that you meant that. I just meant that people may have been more willing to allow her a comeback from being gay than being a shitty person.
Elder Milliennial here! I was in high school in the early 2000s when her show debuted, and I would watch it every day after school. I basically grew up with this show. I think it was wholesome in the beginning, but the jokes graduated to being cringe and sometimes downright cruel. I lost interest in the show around college. Regarding accountability, multiple things can be true at once. People should be held accountable for their actions, but society has major double standards around who gets held accountable and who doesn't. Lizzo got canceled overnight. She deserved it, but there are so many people who did just as bad things for a longer period of time who still haven't gotten similar levels of punishment.
@MadameCorgi ellen was making a self-deprecating joke it wasn't her literally saying she wasn't invited. I honestly don't think the point of the joke is to humiliate Dakota, but Ellen instead.
I think part of why the "hock-tooey" girl (how tf are we spelling that) got so viral is because she hit the gen x/boomer facebook crowd of like 40-60 year old men who are just weirdly delighted by the Funny Woman, and it's a joke/meme you don't need to be an irony poisoned deep fried jpg Chronically Online zoomer to understand. It's really basic tacky shop humor being delivered by a pretty lady. That's enough. Like, I found out about this meme from my DAD, an almost 64-year old guy who barely understands what instagram is, because he learned about it from his 40/50-something male coworkers who use Facebook (they also unfortunately taught him what furries are)
i have this negative feeling about the whole hawk tuah girl meme because i feel like if she was not conventionally attractive, not skinny, or even if she was black/brown people would have just gone "ew lmfao" and the meme never woulda happened. pretty privilege exists and the hawk tuah girl definitely has it.
I feel like she's a representation of what many people can't stand IRL "toxic white woman" "uppity rich" and "old / boomer". What she did was very mean and I'm glad the show stopped, but because she's also all of those things, the response was way worst than any man would've got.
There's some like think piece written on ray bradbury (wrote Fahrenheit 415 etc and was also apparently a shitty person irl) about how much leeway we will give to artists to be total shitbags, and it doesn't come down to how bad they are, but how good their art is. So now when I see some famous person get cancelled i have this nagging thought that it's not about what bad act they did, it's really about how people have stopped liking the work their doing. (This will predominantly effect women and poc more than men) (Also I am paraphrasing I have no other info about this article I read in college)
I unfortunately do not have citations to back this up either at the moment but I've thought and heard the same thing. It's good when actions have consequences, but it's frustrating when it seems like actions only have consequences if you're less conventionally attractive, talented, or privileged. It doesn't feel like justice when we only hold the people we don't mind discarding accountable. :/
I did not get the selfie thing back then. But I only just now learned that that was back in 2013 and realized that the first time I had heard the word "selfie" was in 2012. So maybe that word/concept was fairly fresh still? Was that the time when the boundaries between celebrities and "normal" people were slowly blurring? Like, was the fact that celebrities would take a selfie somehow new?
I remember first hearing the word "selfie" in 2013. Then, it became a trend. So obviously, when Ellen did that with all those celebrities, it was a huge thing because we were like, "Oh My God! They can do that too!" It's weird but it's just like, if several celebrities together said "skibidy toilet" today, it would become a vital tweet. However, looking back at it 10 years later, everyone's gonna wonder why it became such a huge thing.
I think the Hawk Tuah girl is popular just because she's pretty and seems too innocent for something so dirty to come out of her mouth(no pun intended), it was so casual that it was shocking and funny. It also just came out at the perfect time because we just needed something simple and goofy that we could relate to in this toxic political climate that we're in right now.
I have been purposely avoiding the subject of the first moments of this video. The way I had to fast forward to stay willfully ignorant was soooo immediate. 😂
Remember how she forced Mariah Carey to confirm a pregnancy live, by pressuring her to drink alcohol? Forcing her to choose between endangering the fetus and her privacy? Mariah had previously had a miscarriage and was scared of losing another, so she wasn't ready to make it public. Ellen comes across as skillfully, and deliberately, manipulative. She used her audience as a tool to dominate people. She'd put her guests in humiliating, cornering situations and dominate, gaslight, etc. What she forced Meghan Markle to do was CRINGEWORTHY.
i just wanna point out the phenomena that was, lgbtq girls coming out to their boomer parents, who didn't know a lot about queer girls or what they might like, and those same girls receiving ellen degeneres merch as a birthday/christmas gift from their parents, even if these girls didn't even watch ellen, because parents thought that all gay girls loved her 😭
Girl I'm glad you explained the huak tuah girl thing cuz I've been seeing everywhere but couldn't be bothered to understand where it came from. Keep up the work😂
I agree 100% with your statements on the evolution of humor. I've been rewatching the Office and Modern Family, though both hilarious, it's interesting to see how each approaches humor differently. Modern Family does a great job of showcasing an evolution in comedic taste. Rewatching it today, we see the shift from literal jokes on The Office, easily grasped by most, to a more layered approach.
@@artofkaiI don’t get it either , cant escape it, and impressed by how fast it’s spread to not just chronically online people 😂 Drove past the sex shop near me on the way home and their sign outside said “HAWK TUAH!!!” 😅 like fuck
@@kianna270it’s pretty shocking to see a meme so universally disliked and widely regarded as unfunny last this long. every reference i see about it online is littered with hate comments, no one likes it. i almost clicked off the video when she came up, i’m sick of seeing it.
when ellen was racist towards sofia vergara, when she forced mariah carey to reveal her pregnancy or drink an acoholic drink, when she kept exposing justin bieber's pictures when he was naked (his private parts were blurred) when he was visibly uncomfortable, when she literally lifted zac efron's shirt while he spoke about the beauty standards for men and how harmful they are. ellen was terrible back then, but because she was ~funny~ and gay, we let it slide.
5:42 now you ain’t right for putting that pic in the reel! 😂 ETA: as a 39 year old gay I do have to say that Ellen’s sitcom coming out was indeed a huge deal, as a closeted 12 year old it meant a lot to me. But as a millennial I thought her talk show humor was corny af, and her liberal worldview is cringe
I share a birthday and sexuality with Ellen. No joke. I’m a little lesbian who was also born on January 26. I always like looked up to her when I was younger because of how she would go for the meme people and do something to be like “thanks for making me laugh, here’s some money for something you need”. I dunno, something about that was always kind to me. When she got cancelled, I did feel bad for her. I can recognize what she did for the LGBTQ community in media alone, because coming out on television especially during the time of the AIDS/HIV epidemic. (Need I say more?) I know, in comparison to someone like Marsha and Stonewall is huge and a white lesbian’s action to come out during the epidermic is big, not as big, but still big. She almost lost her career from it, and years later when she had rebuilt herself, she did lose her career. People love to have a witch to burn, even if she did participate in a toxic work environment and caused grief to people, I don’t think she deserved all of the judgement. Some, yes, but Dang. I’m high so I don’t know if this makes sense but I do love watching your videos a lot Kayla and if I ever end up making video essays one day, you’re definitely up there in terms of influence.
*I'm going to keep it real. I truly HATE when people try to play the, "Yeah what __ did was bad, but **___** did something way worse & they weren't canceled" card.* *I'm a Black, queer woman, so trust me, I understand just how unfair, biased, disproportionate, etc, things can be - especially when it comes down to holding terrible people accountable. While many deplorable individuals (who should be in PRISON for the rest of their lives) will never face real accountability & will seemingly skate by, that doesn't somehow equate to the fact that we shouldn't hold people accountable.* *That's why when you said, "Is that fair?" at the **10:02** mark, I honestly rolled my eyes. Ellen DeGeneres is a wealthy white woman with a net-worth of several hundred million dollars who treated her staff/guests TERRIBLY in a plethora of episodes of her show throughout its entire run... and was able to get away with doing so for NINETEEN SEASONS & 3,277 episodes! It took this woman almost TWENTY YEARS to even begin to be held accountable!* *Also, let's be real, did Ellen face any REAL consequences that left a legitimate impact on her for her repeated pattern of sociopathic/depraved behavior?! No, she didn't. This is because, other than Ellen's show FINALLY ending (after the viewership had been declining for YEARS before she was ever "exposed" for being a terrible human being), she walked away with millions, has been able to host a comedy tour after its reign, is still loved by tens of millions of people (mainly white women), and didn't face a single consequence that any "normal" person would've had to endure afrer being "fired" so to speak. It's not like she was reliant on the $$$ she made from the show & was facing being unable to make rent after it was canceled. It's not like she had to go interview for future jobs and explain why she was fired to potential employers. It's not like she lost her "status" as a celebrity from her core base (which again, is boomer white woman). It's also not like Ellen had to truly change her behavior or learn any sort of real lesson from her "cancelation," either.* *Anyway, back to the point: the whole argument of, "Is that fair" rests on a premise that some sort of "grand injustice" or even "minor injustice" transpired - which really can't be argued in Ellen's case. Her show had been ongoing for almost 2 decades, which is almost unheard of for TV hosts in the first place. We also saw that on Ellen's show, Ellen berated a pregnant woman (Mariah Carey) & perpetuated a LOT of her own internalized misogyny & racism. We saw Ellen use her massive in-studio & at-home audience of millions of viewers, shame a "regular/normal" (non-celebrity) woman because they took an extra item off her table. Should this woman have taken an extra item when they were only supposed to grab 1? No. However, the power dynamics involved here can't be overstated. This woman was an unknown woman who then went viral for essentially, "being a thief." I don't steal, but watching Ellen happily point to this woman and embarrass her on a national scale with millions watching, simply bc this woman "stole" what would be the equivalent of $13, was downright disturbing to watch. For all we know, that woman had issues finding work after that (bc again, a lot of fellow white boomers in her age range were also fans of Ellen & even if one wasn't a fan of the show, that clip of that woman stealing went MEGA-VIRAL, especially for the time period it happened). It was incredibly mean-spirited of Ellen to do & did Ellen fade a single consequence after doing that? Nope!* *If we're to argue that what happened to Ellen, "wasn't fair," - franky, I'd agree, but for very different reasons than posed in this video. It's not fair Ellen was able to get away with being an awful person whose privilege, race, and class/wealth, protected her for almost 2 decades. Meanwhile, Black people have faced much more dire consequences despite not having done a fraction of what Ellen was known for doing, not only to her guests, but also her staff.* *While there will ALWAYS be levels of unfairness in our world, that doesn't mean we should be looking to give terrible behavior a "pass" just bc someone else got away with doing something bad, too. As a society, we should always be striving for EQUITY, but until that's finally reached, it doesn't mean we abandon our morals and justify terrible behavior from certain individuals just because other people got away with perpetuating the same behavior without being held accountable. Ellen had a very long run of dehumanizing her staff/guests & was able to pockets tens of millions of dollars for doing so. If you want to pose questions on the "fairness" of this situation, I implore you to ask yourself, why does society seemingly have an obsession with coddling racist white women when they're finally forced to confront the consequences of their own disgraceful actions, but then turn around and wrongly berate, shame, attack, and harm Black people when we're actually innocent, but are perceived as, "Guilty until proven innocent" simply because we're existing while Black?*
I was confused as to why Alex from target went viral ten years ago, and I’m still confused now. I just don’t get it. Even this girl went viral. For what? People are way too easily amused.
Right. I workedat target with several good looking people. Lol. Funnily enough a girl I worked with at Target for awhile also went on the Ellen show. She didn't get through on American Idol so Ellen put her on her show. Wonder if she's still singing.
You hit the nail on the head.As a die hard fan of the Jonas Brothers I remember back in the late 2000s and the early 2010s many fans would look forward to their appearances on Ellen because they always had good banter and dance moments and just memorable moment within the fandom. When they announce their comeback in 2019 and they announced that they were going to be on the show we were ecstatic. Nowadays knowing who she actually was it’s kind of sad to watch some of those moments.
honestly, I kind of long for the early 2010s era when we were all so much less divided, cynical, disillusioned and disaffected. maybe it was ignorant, and not sustainable, but at least there was some collective levity in the culture, and the unifying power that pop culture can have was still a powerful force for collectivity in society. with trump's election in 2016 obviously this began to change, and with everything that happened in 2020 and since, the same sense of frivolous joy has been made almost impossible by the culture wars and the stark realities we are now living.
People seem to have forged that it’s somewhat of a choice. We don’t need to walk around over-focusing on our bad feelings and seeing only negative. Cultivating a functional outlook in the face of a complex world that you don’t have a hope of truly understanding is a pretty major part of not living on your knees, and not making a virtue of perpetual victimhood.
I do still have a soft spot for her despite it all - because the visible things she did were mostly uplifting (one word: Dory). Plus when she came out as gay she went into it knowing her career might be over after, but she did it anyway, which I really respect. I never indulged in dogpiling on her because if she's going down, there are about 5 white male hosts that should have gone down with her, but they didn't. Call it sexism, homophobia, or a feeling of betrayal, but yes, people were quick and happy to cancel Ellen. To this day I don't know if that speaks to the mob's virtue or not.
8:26 I love how *Will & Grace* trolled this scene twice in 2 different episodes. First with *Beverly Leslie* & second when *Karen* came out as “straight” 🤣
So yeah, if someone has been shown to abuse any position of power they have, they should not be permitted to keep or reclaim any position of power. It's definitely true that people with a more tenuous relation to power - women, queer people, any oppressed minorities - will be less resilient to bad press and will likely lose power quicker, that doesn't change the rule that those who abuse it should not keep it. That idea suggests to me a misunderstanding of the NATURE of power in a system or society!
I think, part of what lead to her swift cancellation and peoples irr, was that her whole brand was the "be kind, oh, I am so insecure amd awkward and selfdepricating"- but I'm really not. People felt decieved and honestly, they probably were. She got stuck in that schtick that evolved when she was still closeted, which made for a whole lit of awkwardness and uncomfortableness in her life, which she used for humor. But after coming out, being openly and proudly gay and later on VERY rich and successful, that awkwardness and self-peprication should have gone away. And it did, behind the scenes, but stayed as a schtick and as a disarming manipulation tactic. Play weak and slay the enemy, when they least expect it. Play cutesy and gain peoples trust. And the tell tale signs were there in the show. The scaring, which IS a power trip, especially using your environment and staff that you control, to trick and scare people, guests, that come into your space and trust you. It is NOT kind, and to me, nit funny. Is it the devil? Know, but its a sign of a lack of compassion and concern for others and their feelings. Also the "humble" br!agging she did. After a few years she began flaunting her wealth and status on the show, bragging about her celebrity "friends" and who feels good being bragged to? And there were many mean and humiliating game segments. Never humiliating to Ellen, always humiliating one of the guests or even audience members. While these behaviors possibly can all be explained in Ellens psyche, none of them are truely kind. And thats a problem, when you demand "be kind" at the end of each show from everyone on the planet. Its like "be kind, bit I dont have to". Sure, she l, too, profits from a world.if kinder, less agressive people.I think its a meachanism if constructing entitlement from a sense of percieved victimhood.
THANK YOU FOR NOT PLAYING THE DAKOTA JOHNSON VIDEO AGAIN. It makes me feel soooo embarrassed. Like more embarrassed than I would be even if I was on the receiving end of this situation.
I applaud your editorial choice to describe rather than actually show the Dakota Johnson portion; it gives me a terrible case of the Larry Davids also.
i was told as a young queer kid that my grandfather literally stopped being homophobic cause he was able to sympathize with ellen and thought she was such a nice person. and from what older people in my life had said he wasn’t the only one. if you being a nice person literally shifted how old people VIEW A WHOLE COMMUNITY OF PEOPLE, it’s not surprising that it being revealed you’re rude as fuck sank the ellen ship swiftly.
The fact that Ellen was all buddy-buddy with G-Dubs, shows that once a queer person has tons of money, fame, and influence, theyre no longer relatable to us non-rich and non-famous queer folks. It's quite disheartening how money changes people
I remember nikkitutorials did an interview saying ellen was very rude and cold when she went on to her show and alot of people were shocked because they thought ellen was so sweet then fast forward a few months later ellen get's exposed for being a terrible person basically conforming what nikki had said
So I guess the context is lost if you weren’t there in 1996, but the Ellen sitcom was one of the most watched shows on network TV. I can’t stress how Ellen used to be beloved by basically everyone. Her sort of self deprecating comedy on the sitcom was novel for network TV. Everything changed when she filmed the Puppy Episode, which is the one with the clip of her coming out. This wasn’t done before on national TV and the backlash it received was extreme. She was immediately cut from network TV, and her magazines, etc. were publicly burned by angry bigots in response to her coming out. She appeared on the Oprah show a few months later to discuss her life after coming out, and the broadcast was so controversial that the network Oprah’s show was on had to hire military-trained security and bomb squads to periodically sweep the building to ensure nobody would attack the network just for having Ellen on one of their shows. She became this sort of sympathy figure of sorts when the backlash subsided, and she handled the backlash very well, given she was receiving death threats personally, and terroristic threats wherever she was working. This caused a bunch of people to build up a lot of good will towards her as a sort of fighter for who she is during a time when it was explicitly unacceptable to be queer and anti-queer backlash could very much result in your death. The legacy of the Ellen talk show was that it was an explicitly queer talk show during the early 2000s - a time when explicitly queer figures in entertainment were generally forced out of the public eye. Ellen routinely used her platform to advance LGBTQ issues into the mainstream, including California’s Proposition 8, which passed in 2008 codifying the definition of marriage as cis man and cis woman. The Obama presidency was landmark in terms of civil rights advancement, and President Obama himself used media to both advance his administration’s progressive goals, but also get a feel for what was happening on the ground. Ellen’s contributions to the landscape of queer rights by bringing the kind of visibility and mainstream acceptance to queerness can’t be understated. With that said, I do think she was a troubled individual in some regards. A lot of the show hasn’t aged well, but a lot of talk shows don’t age all that well. But I definitely don’t think she’s the villain people believe she is, and I’m certain a lot of people in my age cohort (mid-30s/early-40s) also agree.
Absolutely this although I do think she changed for the worst also the friendship with George W Bush & ignoring why so many people were angered by also doubling down on it, definitely I think undermined her standing in the community.
Honestly, not saying Ellen was a great person, but people worse than her still do have a career, and in that case, comparatively, she didn’t deserve to be so publicly shunned
I think you missed one of the most important aspects about this conversation: Ellen was all about creating joy and being kind. Her whole image was "being wholesome and kind" So for the whole world to find out she was not kind and had a reputation of being mean, was shocking. It was basically the same thing as the whole Ned Fulmer and Lizzo situation, completely breaking your public image.
The Gayest Episode Ever podcast did a great job of dissecting the Ellen coming out episode. The show was constantly pivoting to find a bigger audience, and they pivoted to being gay, and accidentally made TV history.
Also as an old (millennial), I'd like to see a thoughtful take on Gen Z's weird selective cancellation of older artists. John Lennon, David Bowie, et al have honestly pretty light allegations compared to so many other artists of yesteryear. Why them? Why now?
Without even extrapolating further on your theory about how humour evolved post-2016, i can definitively say i agree. What a breakdown. Also, to your credit, i dont think making fun of Madame Web is being unkind to Dakota Johnson 😂 you can tell in her press tour that she didnt even fw the movie lmao
I made a personal choice to stop watching Ellen after she put Kevin Hart on her show to clear his reputations after the fallout of him "not apologizing" for the hitting hypothetical gay son joke that make him quit the Oscar hosting gig. And then the George W. Bush photo. Both made me think that Ellen valued her being a comedian and a affluent person more than being gay. That, if she had to choose, the gay community wouldn't be her top priorities.
crazy how 9/11 led to the downfall of ellen 9/11 inspires gerard way to form my chemical romance -> stephanie meyer is inspired by my chemical romance to create twilight -> 50 shades of grey is written as twilight fanfiction but gets really popular and dakota johnson is cast in the movie -> dakota johnson becomes a more commonly known actress and ends up on the ellen show
7:17 At the time, a lot of celebrities didn’t really take random pictures like that. It seemed crazy at the time. If I’m not mistaken, she was trying to break a record for biggest selfie? Maybe I’m not remembering that correctly, though. Either way, I don’t think plucking people (especially minors) on tv was really good for those people and raises questions. Also if I remember right, the target kid was a minor who was so relentlessly harassed that he had to get off the internet. While I do not think that is the way to go about, I miss when comedy and memes really brought people together. People are so split on everything and into their own weird online niches. Music has suffered because of this, too. “The man” doesn’t want us laughing together and getting along.
I really appreciate your content- I admit that I have to keep pausing to keep up with your quick speech and even quicker mind. I feel as though I have had the Cliff Notes on speed of current media topics when my older, slower brain has absorbed your information 😄 Love it! 😍
I just got back from a trip in NYC and was genuinely surprised to see Ellen's name plastered on Radio City Music Hall when walking past it (not that it mattered but still an eyebrow raiser).
I think the issue was her authenticity, the image she portrayed and there had been lots of stories that she was just unnecessarily rude and unpleasant in real life. I also think a lot of LGBTQ people are saddened about it and I remember being at an AIDS benefit she hosted and raised thousands of dollars. Great video BTW 👌
I feel “this generation” are very much the Andy scene in Toy Story 2 “I don’t want to play with you anymore”. Do we also feel it’s sexism? If there’s a lot of male tv show hosts who have done much worse.
@@christina.kleman I think it also explains why people don’t cancel say Trisha Paytas or Jeffery Star. Because they can milk them for drama. Can’t really can’t that content for Ellen
I don’t think so. Most other tv hosts don’t build their brand as “be kind” and family friendly. Especially with them being on late night versus daytime. If Maury Povich was like “be good to each other, guys” and then turned out to be an asshole, that’d be a fair comparison. But Ellen’s whole thing was that she was *nice*. And that facade cracked reeeally fast. She’s basically the Other Mother from Coraline but daytime tv.
@@iain9757 JS and Trisha exist in a permanent limbo state of cancellization, thats basically their entire brand. I'd also argue that there's a decent male counter part in James Cordon. Granted the Late Late Show was not HIM in the same way the Ellen Show was her, but his whole thing was a very similar "im a super friendly funny guy with self deprecating humour to throw guests off balance", meanwhile being a complete asshole to everyone in real life. Frankly people showed a LOT more tolerance and patience towards Ellen than they did Cordon given that her show ran for nearly 20 years and he destroyed the LLS in just over 7.
Yeah as a gay in media myself I struggle to pin down my feelings on whether I should give her more grace for paving the way for queer representation in media. Ultimately, I've kind of landed on that her marginalized status may have contributed to her downfall-her brand did way more damage. Everyone loves to see someone fall off the moral high road. These allegations have made this conversation a long time coming. Just because she changed the landscape doesn't mean she's owed continued success. If she can't treat a staff with respect while plastering on a smile than she shouldn't be in show business. Retire and give your spot to someone who will use the platform and not emotionally abuse their staff in the process. Also you're totally right about the Obama years lulling everyone into complacency. I still remember people undermining the Furgeson protests by pointing to having a Black president and implying it solved systemic racism.
Can you make a video/deep dive of Man Repeller and Leandra Medine?? Or by extension the into the gloss/glossier/alexa Chung era of fashion and beauty? So so interesting! Leandra’s disastrous interview with on the cutting room floor is INSANE
I think the viral phenomenon of the girl (“hauk tuah”) is because of how crass and direct it was. Not only unhinged but kind of ironic since there has been a lot of commentary about dating lately, especially with the backlash of Bumble’s campaign. Also, p**n culture is basically rampant - not saying that’s what she was trying to sensationalize but rather the casualness of intimate relationships. Definitely could imagine her being invited onto Ellen’s show if that was still airing and Ellen making judgy, back-handed comments that would either go over her head or she’d laugh off.
I love your videos exactly for this reason: they make you think! Very thought provoking & a joy to watch! Love it. Thanks for been here for us in this weird old world we all live in:)
I saw Nikkie Tutorials talk about how it wasn’t nice being in Ellen. Her face said it all. After Nikkie came out. She alluded to how badly she was treated.
The only reason I know about the phrase "hauk tua" is because of the Rope Drop Humor of Disney World group LOL. Shows you how much I pay attention to pop culture lol.
On the topic of talk shows, I would love a video about Hot Ones! Would love to see a breakdown of how Hot Ones has changed how interviews are done than the traditional TV format.
Society makes the most random people famous bruh 💀 I'm still surprised at how many random viral moments allow people to monetize it but i guess that's the blessing and curse of the internet so I ain't mad at anyone getting their come up, just moreso surprised how much more society pays attention to those random viral moments and celeb culture over other things Great video btw and fantastic tie in to the Ellen topic.
She had a performance scheduled at the venue where I work, but it was cancelled due to low ticket sales. I think Ellen’s stand up road has run its course. I’m interested to see if any of her other ventures survive the damage to her reputation.
Something I never really see anyone talking about is Ellen’s game show. The way she laughed and smiled whenever she pressed the drop button or the spin button always made me uncomfortable
I don't think Ellen is very different from the majority of Hollywood celebs. The point is people have forgotten what Hollywood is really like. Not only Hollywood celebrities attempt to live in an illusion, it counts for the majority of people.
That’s actually not true Ellen
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😂😂😂 love it!!!
One of the most iconic moments in pop culture in the last 5 years 😂
OH!!! Gotta make my noodle brain work a bit before i realize that reference! 😂😂😂
@@kianna270 time flies so fast! 😭
I think the oscar’s selfie was so retweeted because it was the start of seeing celebrities in a more casual context. Instagram was just really picking up steam and a lot of people had never seen big celebrities in pictures that were not professionally taken, that’s what made it a novelty.
Truth
Ellen singlehandedly killing the concept of a "movie star" / "celebrity cult"
Yes!!! It was also the transition into touchscreen phone as there were many people in my high school just switching to touchscreens from flip phones/ bricks
What a load of rubbish 🗑
@@iwonabesedated5748 i can tell you’re 10 years old lol
Can’t believe the Mariah Carey thing was never mentioned
Literally that's always my first thought when I hear Ellen's name
It shows Ellen's true colors like the most of any example!
legit.
that’s one of the most unforgivable things ellen has done
As if Mariah couldn’t say “Nope, I’m not answering and I’m not drinking.” Y’all insist that THE Mariah Carey had noooooo choice but to tell Ellen this deep secret?? You can definitely tell who the kids are around here.
This is probably one of the worst things she's done to a guest IMO
I lost all adoration for her when i came to know about how she forced Mariah Carey into revealing her pregnancy. A pregnancy MC later lost.
That was heinous.
Especially with the outcome.
I adore the “Actually,No that’s not the truth Ellen.” gif / meme
i feel like ellen is the perfect study in tolerance of ambiguity. the show being cancelled was probably correct, and as an old white rich woman she probably does have some shitty views. and yet the positives she's achieved are still there and can be acknowledged. both of those things can be true at the same time.
it's just probably a good idea not to idolise strangers that we don't even know personally
Was she not hellish to work under?
I seem to recall it was revealed that she was an absolute nightmare towards her staff.
I hated when she'd scare a guest. Felt the same when Jimmy Kimmel did those "I ate all of your candy" jokes to kids. This culture of humiliation as humour needs to die.
omg I hated that "I ate your candy" one!! SOME of the parents seemed to look remorseful like they realized how fucked up what they did was... but SO many look absolutely GLEEFUL at making their children sob. Half the time the children were infinitely more mature than their parents. The parentification starts earlier and earlier...
@@kezia8027 I wouldn't know how to trust my parents after something like that. Poor kids :(
agreed
I hate the pranks in stores too. They do not know who these unsuspecting people are and what was going on with their day and they decided to mess with them and waste their time anyway.
Oh good grief, the candy bit was funny. Relax
The Dakota Johnson part was definitely the starting point. I do believe this was something that would’ve eventually happened. The first big wave was when Beauty Guru Nikki Tutorials was a guest, and everything seemed fine during the interview. It seems like she got to meet one of her hero’s. But then when Nikki went on Dutch talk show she explained there that she was treated horribly and Ellen and was having a better time on the Dutch talk show. Then once lockdowns happened the food bank tweet was circulating that’s when people really looked back at some older clips, and realized Ellen’s true colors.
I remember how excited Nikki was to get that opportunity and she wasn't even mad, she was like, heartbroken over the whole thing. It was so sad and people were SHOCKED to hear this. It was definitely a "rose colored glass shattering" moments.
Admittedly as a Dutch person, that interview was mistranslated by drama channels. Like, Nikkie was certainly not speaking fondly of the experience, but the famous drama channel that subbed it really made it sound worse then what Nikkie was actually saying.
I completely forgot about that!!
10:02 I don't like her at all, but I find disgusting that Ellen got canceled harder than other people in the industry that keeps getting away with sexual abuse or violence accusations
her brand of bullying was so widespread and chronic and reached even lesser celebrities. Why are you surprised she got tossed tf out? Just because she didn't rape anyone doesn't mean she wasn't grade A trash. She knowingly offered alcohol to a pregnant woman to trick her into revealing her pregnancy.
@@NTNG13I don’t think OP was arguing that Ellen wasn’t that bad, I think they were just frustrated that whereas Ellen’s behavior was (rightfully) met with massive ridicule and tangible consequences, other celebrities in a similar vein as her haven’t been met with that same response.
@@Tavi78 yep!
Regarding the Oscars selfie: you referred to it as a joke. It wasn't a joke, it was a stunt. This was around the era of "break the internet" culture where celebs just wanted to go viral for pulling stunts, like having a selfie with as many A-listers as possible. Everything else I agree with so far but wanted to clarify that.
I went to college for television and my junior year, in 2017, we took a networking trip to LA. We visited the Ellen set and via connections got to meet with the Director. She was extremely professional and said nothing explicitly, but her answers to our questions made it so clear what type of environment Ellen fostered. As a longtime fan of Ellen I was so sad
What were the questions though, i'm curious
Please, elaborate.
I think Ellen’s cancellation was so swift because people had somewhat of an idea that this “be nice to one another” shtick was somewhat of a facade. I would watch the show from time to time and would see her belittle, undermine and bully guests all the time!! And I was only a casual viewer. I couldn’t imagine what it would be like to work with someone like her - yikes.
You just didn’t understand her humor, so you interpreted that as being a jerk. Ellen was ridiculously generous and good-hearted. And she’s funny. She was bad at being a boss, got really rich, and people wanted to destroy the rich white lesbian. Period.
@@deshaunx776 If you're making jokes at someone else's expense or making them look stupid in front of an audience and they don't find it funny, you're being a jerk
@@deshaunx776 lmaooooooooooo
The Ellen selfie wasn't a meme or intended to be a meme, it was just an image that was newsworthy for a day. Not every widely shared thing is a meme. At least that's how I remember it, I guess it's conceivable that some people shared it in a meme-like way
Ellen’s downfall was seen coming since like 2015, there was a Reddit post of soooo many people complaining about Ellen and how bad it is working with her but it was until 2020 when we were all locked up and she made the comment that it was “like being in jail” when she was in her mansion that made people turn on her and then when Nikki Tutorials said she didn’t like how she was treated in the Ellen show, people started digging and found all the comments of her that have been there for years started to gain attention, people started looking closer to how she treated her guest and it just blew up all at once.
You have no idea how much existential dread and fear filled my body when you said "Ellen Degeneres" and "Skibidi Toilet" in the same sentence
People forget that the Ellen Show was canceled and she disappeared until Finding Nemo. Finding Nemo brought her back and she got the show afterwards. She suffered for coming out, I don't agree with what she's done recently but she has fallen before
I honestly think one of the differences is that being gay isn’t a moral or character failing.
@@Tatlone I don't think it is either. It's just something that gets missed in the Ellen narrative.
@@jeanetteblankenship6107 I’m sorry! I didn’t mean to insinuate that you meant that. I just meant that people may have been more willing to allow her a comeback from being gay than being a shitty person.
Elder Milliennial here! I was in high school in the early 2000s when her show debuted, and I would watch it every day after school. I basically grew up with this show. I think it was wholesome in the beginning, but the jokes graduated to being cringe and sometimes downright cruel. I lost interest in the show around college.
Regarding accountability, multiple things can be true at once. People should be held accountable for their actions, but society has major double standards around who gets held accountable and who doesn't. Lizzo got canceled overnight. She deserved it, but there are so many people who did just as bad things for a longer period of time who still haven't gotten similar levels of punishment.
I love the Dakota Johnson bit omg. She was having none of it from Ellen.
I didn't. I feel like she didn't get the joke at all
@TheHonored01 what was the joke? Ellen lied to make Dakota look bad, and repeated the same joke, which is even worse
@MadameCorgi ellen was making a self-deprecating joke it wasn't her literally saying she wasn't invited. I honestly don't think the point of the joke is to humiliate Dakota, but Ellen instead.
@@TheHonored01That's not how it read at all.
I think part of why the "hock-tooey" girl (how tf are we spelling that) got so viral is because she hit the gen x/boomer facebook crowd of like 40-60 year old men who are just weirdly delighted by the Funny Woman, and it's a joke/meme you don't need to be an irony poisoned deep fried jpg Chronically Online zoomer to understand. It's really basic tacky shop humor being delivered by a pretty lady. That's enough. Like, I found out about this meme from my DAD, an almost 64-year old guy who barely understands what instagram is, because he learned about it from his 40/50-something male coworkers who use Facebook (they also unfortunately taught him what furries are)
This is interesting and probably explains why I haven't heard about it until now. I'm definitely not the target audience lol
Hawk tuah 😅
The last sentence☠️
the last sentence was a plot twist 😭😭
i have this negative feeling about the whole hawk tuah girl meme because i feel like if she was not conventionally attractive, not skinny, or even if she was black/brown people would have just gone "ew lmfao" and the meme never woulda happened. pretty privilege exists and the hawk tuah girl definitely has it.
jojo siwa for boomers/gen x
Internet: “we love and need mean lesbians”
Also the internet: *can’t even handle Ellen*
the best part of the Oscar selfie is Lupita Nyong'o's normie brother being in the front by Bradley Cooper
"Normie"? 😬
@@julesrules7297normal, not famous, not Hollywood
@@julesrules7297 being a regular person not terminally online is a crime apparently
I randomly have your intro stuck in my head constantly lmaoo
kaylaaaaa saaAaaaayss
It goes to crazy fr
real i sing it each time the vid starts lmao
Lmao same tho!!😂
I had never heard the audio for the hawk tuah girl, so i thought she was just saying "haute couture"
2:19 those two kids shopping in Toys R Us was like crack for some people
right!! Sophia was everywhere, she’s a mother now i think!
@@bugginonthewallholy shit???
@@El1society IKR she has a whole toddler now! 😭
I feel like she's a representation of what many people can't stand IRL "toxic white woman" "uppity rich" and "old / boomer". What she did was very mean and I'm glad the show stopped, but because she's also all of those things, the response was way worst than any man would've got.
I also feel “many of us youngins” got annoyed when she made people use rotary phones when I bet most of the boomer audience can’t work their iPhones
I'm just starting this video and I do not understand this comment at all. 😂
@@marigolden_mariposa it’s because it’s not covered in the video
4:00 Thank you for not playing the clip. I am so on the same page as you that clip gives me so much second hand embarrassment.
i feel the same about the clip of taylor swift on there where ellen makes her cry and this is coming from a non swiftie
There's some like think piece written on ray bradbury (wrote Fahrenheit 415 etc and was also apparently a shitty person irl) about how much leeway we will give to artists to be total shitbags, and it doesn't come down to how bad they are, but how good their art is. So now when I see some famous person get cancelled i have this nagging thought that it's not about what bad act they did, it's really about how people have stopped liking the work their doing. (This will predominantly effect women and poc more than men) (Also I am paraphrasing I have no other info about this article I read in college)
I unfortunately do not have citations to back this up either at the moment but I've thought and heard the same thing. It's good when actions have consequences, but it's frustrating when it seems like actions only have consequences if you're less conventionally attractive, talented, or privileged.
It doesn't feel like justice when we only hold the people we don't mind discarding accountable. :/
Her at the baseball game with George W Bush ended the perception of her
Watching Ellen clips on CZcams was like crack to me at 10yrs old
One of Ellen’s biggest crimes is being cringe
I did not get the selfie thing back then. But I only just now learned that that was back in 2013 and realized that the first time I had heard the word "selfie" was in 2012. So maybe that word/concept was fairly fresh still? Was that the time when the boundaries between celebrities and "normal" people were slowly blurring? Like, was the fact that celebrities would take a selfie somehow new?
I remember first hearing the word "selfie" in 2013. Then, it became a trend. So obviously, when Ellen did that with all those celebrities, it was a huge thing because we were like, "Oh My God! They can do that too!" It's weird but it's just like, if several celebrities together said "skibidy toilet" today, it would become a vital tweet. However, looking back at it 10 years later, everyone's gonna wonder why it became such a huge thing.
@@Gracefulgrace8307 So it *was* new back then :) It was not just me being a bit behind everyone.
I think the Hawk Tuah girl is popular just because she's pretty and seems too innocent for something so dirty to come out of her mouth(no pun intended), it was so casual that it was shocking and funny. It also just came out at the perfect time because we just needed something simple and goofy that we could relate to in this toxic political climate that we're in right now.
Yeh ffs sakes we need to lighten up every so often. Life sux, so what? It’s no excuse to cry and give up the best parts of yourself
Helps that she’s white and blonde
@@simplenough Yeah, it wouldn't have had the same effect if it was a chubby bald guy named Bubba saying that.
@@Woozlewuzzleable or even just a pretty black/brown girl.
@@simplenough Sounds like someone's obsessed with race.
I have been purposely avoiding the subject of the first moments of this video. The way I had to fast forward to stay willfully ignorant was soooo immediate. 😂
Remember how she forced Mariah Carey to confirm a pregnancy live, by pressuring her to drink alcohol? Forcing her to choose between endangering the fetus and her privacy? Mariah had previously had a miscarriage and was scared of losing another, so she wasn't ready to make it public. Ellen comes across as skillfully, and deliberately, manipulative. She used her audience as a tool to dominate people. She'd put her guests in humiliating, cornering situations and dominate, gaslight, etc. What she forced Meghan Markle to do was CRINGEWORTHY.
0:35 THAT'S what the hullabaloo is about? I swear every time I see a post about this, nobody in the comments actually knows what that is about
I didn’t realise fanservice month comes after pride month but I’m here for it
i just wanna point out the phenomena that was, lgbtq girls coming out to their boomer parents, who didn't know a lot about queer girls or what they might like, and those same girls receiving ellen degeneres merch as a birthday/christmas gift from their parents, even if these girls didn't even watch ellen, because parents thought that all gay girls loved her 😭
Girl I'm glad you explained the huak tuah girl thing cuz I've been seeing everywhere but couldn't be bothered to understand where it came from. Keep up the work😂
having a war criminal on was it for me.
People forget that the Oscars Selfie was a commercial for Samsung.
I agree 100% with your statements on the evolution of humor. I've been rewatching the Office and Modern Family, though both hilarious, it's interesting to see how each approaches humor differently. Modern Family does a great job of showcasing an evolution in comedic taste. Rewatching it today, we see the shift from literal jokes on The Office, easily grasped by most, to a more layered approach.
you are so real about the hawk tuah girl omfg
😂 she was, I don't get how it got viral as it did
@@artofkai frrr 😭
@@artofkaiI don’t get it either , cant escape it, and impressed by how fast it’s spread to not just chronically online people 😂
Drove past the sex shop near me on the way home and their sign outside said “HAWK TUAH!!!” 😅 like fuck
@@kianna270it’s pretty shocking to see a meme so universally disliked and widely regarded as unfunny last this long. every reference i see about it online is littered with hate comments, no one likes it. i almost clicked off the video when she came up, i’m sick of seeing it.
when ellen was racist towards sofia vergara, when she forced mariah carey to reveal her pregnancy or drink an acoholic drink, when she kept exposing justin bieber's pictures when he was naked (his private parts were blurred) when he was visibly uncomfortable, when she literally lifted zac efron's shirt while he spoke about the beauty standards for men and how harmful they are. ellen was terrible back then, but because she was ~funny~ and gay, we let it slide.
5:42 now you ain’t right for putting that pic in the reel! 😂
ETA: as a 39 year old gay I do have to say that Ellen’s sitcom coming out was indeed a huge deal, as a closeted 12 year old it meant a lot to me. But as a millennial I thought her talk show humor was corny af, and her liberal worldview is cringe
People hate on Dakota for being a nepo baby but it’s great bc she gives no fucks 😂 i love her just for her media appearances
you & Mistress Isabelle Brooks posted your new vids at the same time but I chose yours to watch first
Oop I did the opposite 😮
@@emv8869 😂😂😂
Don't let Mistress see this. She will burn your shoes and say "why did you do that"
I tried watching Finding Dory but could only imagine the fish Ellen acting like irl Ellen.
Babe wake up Kayla just posted
I share a birthday and sexuality with Ellen. No joke. I’m a little lesbian who was also born on January 26. I always like looked up to her when I was younger because of how she would go for the meme people and do something to be like “thanks for making me laugh, here’s some money for something you need”. I dunno, something about that was always kind to me.
When she got cancelled, I did feel bad for her. I can recognize what she did for the LGBTQ community in media alone, because coming out on television especially during the time of the AIDS/HIV epidemic. (Need I say more?)
I know, in comparison to someone like Marsha and Stonewall is huge and a white lesbian’s action to come out during the epidermic is big, not as big, but still big. She almost lost her career from it, and years later when she had rebuilt herself, she did lose her career. People love to have a witch to burn, even if she did participate in a toxic work environment and caused grief to people, I don’t think she deserved all of the judgement. Some, yes, but Dang.
I’m high so I don’t know if this makes sense but I do love watching your videos a lot Kayla and if I ever end up making video essays one day, you’re definitely up there in terms of influence.
*I'm going to keep it real. I truly HATE when people try to play the, "Yeah what __ did was bad, but **___** did something way worse & they weren't canceled" card.*
*I'm a Black, queer woman, so trust me, I understand just how unfair, biased, disproportionate, etc, things can be - especially when it comes down to holding terrible people accountable. While many deplorable individuals (who should be in PRISON for the rest of their lives) will never face real accountability & will seemingly skate by, that doesn't somehow equate to the fact that we shouldn't hold people accountable.*
*That's why when you said, "Is that fair?" at the **10:02** mark, I honestly rolled my eyes. Ellen DeGeneres is a wealthy white woman with a net-worth of several hundred million dollars who treated her staff/guests TERRIBLY in a plethora of episodes of her show throughout its entire run... and was able to get away with doing so for NINETEEN SEASONS & 3,277 episodes! It took this woman almost TWENTY YEARS to even begin to be held accountable!*
*Also, let's be real, did Ellen face any REAL consequences that left a legitimate impact on her for her repeated pattern of sociopathic/depraved behavior?! No, she didn't. This is because, other than Ellen's show FINALLY ending (after the viewership had been declining for YEARS before she was ever "exposed" for being a terrible human being), she walked away with millions, has been able to host a comedy tour after its reign, is still loved by tens of millions of people (mainly white women), and didn't face a single consequence that any "normal" person would've had to endure afrer being "fired" so to speak. It's not like she was reliant on the $$$ she made from the show & was facing being unable to make rent after it was canceled. It's not like she had to go interview for future jobs and explain why she was fired to potential employers. It's not like she lost her "status" as a celebrity from her core base (which again, is boomer white woman). It's also not like Ellen had to truly change her behavior or learn any sort of real lesson from her "cancelation," either.*
*Anyway, back to the point: the whole argument of, "Is that fair" rests on a premise that some sort of "grand injustice" or even "minor injustice" transpired - which really can't be argued in Ellen's case. Her show had been ongoing for almost 2 decades, which is almost unheard of for TV hosts in the first place. We also saw that on Ellen's show, Ellen berated a pregnant woman (Mariah Carey) & perpetuated a LOT of her own internalized misogyny & racism. We saw Ellen use her massive in-studio & at-home audience of millions of viewers, shame a "regular/normal" (non-celebrity) woman because they took an extra item off her table. Should this woman have taken an extra item when they were only supposed to grab 1? No. However, the power dynamics involved here can't be overstated. This woman was an unknown woman who then went viral for essentially, "being a thief." I don't steal, but watching Ellen happily point to this woman and embarrass her on a national scale with millions watching, simply bc this woman "stole" what would be the equivalent of $13, was downright disturbing to watch. For all we know, that woman had issues finding work after that (bc again, a lot of fellow white boomers in her age range were also fans of Ellen & even if one wasn't a fan of the show, that clip of that woman stealing went MEGA-VIRAL, especially for the time period it happened). It was incredibly mean-spirited of Ellen to do & did Ellen fade a single consequence after doing that? Nope!*
*If we're to argue that what happened to Ellen, "wasn't fair," - franky, I'd agree, but for very different reasons than posed in this video. It's not fair Ellen was able to get away with being an awful person whose privilege, race, and class/wealth, protected her for almost 2 decades. Meanwhile, Black people have faced much more dire consequences despite not having done a fraction of what Ellen was known for doing, not only to her guests, but also her staff.*
*While there will ALWAYS be levels of unfairness in our world, that doesn't mean we should be looking to give terrible behavior a "pass" just bc someone else got away with doing something bad, too. As a society, we should always be striving for EQUITY, but until that's finally reached, it doesn't mean we abandon our morals and justify terrible behavior from certain individuals just because other people got away with perpetuating the same behavior without being held accountable. Ellen had a very long run of dehumanizing her staff/guests & was able to pockets tens of millions of dollars for doing so. If you want to pose questions on the "fairness" of this situation, I implore you to ask yourself, why does society seemingly have an obsession with coddling racist white women when they're finally forced to confront the consequences of their own disgraceful actions, but then turn around and wrongly berate, shame, attack, and harm Black people when we're actually innocent, but are perceived as, "Guilty until proven innocent" simply because we're existing while Black?*
i love living under a rock. it's cozy here. no "hock-tuah" people here. only bugs.
I was confused as to why Alex from target went viral ten years ago, and I’m still confused now. I just don’t get it. Even this girl went viral. For what? People are way too easily amused.
Right. I workedat target with several good looking people. Lol. Funnily enough a girl I worked with at Target for awhile also went on the Ellen show. She didn't get through on American Idol so Ellen put her on her show. Wonder if she's still singing.
You hit the nail on the head.As a die hard fan of the Jonas Brothers I remember back in the late 2000s and the early 2010s many fans would look forward to their appearances on Ellen because they always had good banter and dance moments and just memorable moment within the fandom. When they announce their comeback in 2019 and they announced that they were going to be on the show we were ecstatic. Nowadays knowing who she actually was it’s kind of sad to watch some of those moments.
honestly, I kind of long for the early 2010s era when we were all so much less divided, cynical, disillusioned and disaffected. maybe it was ignorant, and not sustainable, but at least there was some collective levity in the culture, and the unifying power that pop culture can have was still a powerful force for collectivity in society. with trump's election in 2016 obviously this began to change, and with everything that happened in 2020 and since, the same sense of frivolous joy has been made almost impossible by the culture wars and the stark realities we are now living.
People seem to have forged that it’s somewhat of a choice. We don’t need to walk around over-focusing on our bad feelings and seeing only negative. Cultivating a functional outlook in the face of a complex world that you don’t have a hope of truly understanding is a pretty major part of not living on your knees, and not making a virtue of perpetual victimhood.
@@creatrixZBD not sure what tf that has to do with my comment, but thats nice for you!
I do still have a soft spot for her despite it all - because the visible things she did were mostly uplifting (one word: Dory). Plus when she came out as gay she went into it knowing her career might be over after, but she did it anyway, which I really respect. I never indulged in dogpiling on her because if she's going down, there are about 5 white male hosts that should have gone down with her, but they didn't. Call it sexism, homophobia, or a feeling of betrayal, but yes, people were quick and happy to cancel Ellen. To this day I don't know if that speaks to the mob's virtue or not.
8:26 I love how *Will & Grace* trolled this scene twice in 2 different episodes. First with *Beverly Leslie* & second when *Karen* came out as “straight” 🤣
So yeah, if someone has been shown to abuse any position of power they have, they should not be permitted to keep or reclaim any position of power. It's definitely true that people with a more tenuous relation to power - women, queer people, any oppressed minorities - will be less resilient to bad press and will likely lose power quicker, that doesn't change the rule that those who abuse it should not keep it. That idea suggests to me a misunderstanding of the NATURE of power in a system or society!
Over watching so many of your videos, the opening 🎶kaaaayla saAaAys🎶 has become an incredibly satisfying part of each upload.
I think, part of what lead to her swift cancellation and peoples irr, was that her whole brand was the "be kind, oh, I am so insecure amd awkward and selfdepricating"- but I'm really not. People felt decieved and honestly, they probably were. She got stuck in that schtick that evolved when she was still closeted, which made for a whole lit of awkwardness and uncomfortableness in her life, which she used for humor. But after coming out, being openly and proudly gay and later on VERY rich and successful, that awkwardness and self-peprication should have gone away. And it did, behind the scenes, but stayed as a schtick and as a disarming manipulation tactic. Play weak and slay the enemy, when they least expect it. Play cutesy and gain peoples trust. And the tell tale signs were there in the show. The scaring, which IS a power trip, especially using your environment and staff that you control, to trick and scare people, guests, that come into your space and trust you. It is NOT kind, and to me, nit funny. Is it the devil? Know, but its a sign of a lack of compassion and concern for others and their feelings.
Also the "humble" br!agging she did. After a few years she began flaunting her wealth and status on the show, bragging about her celebrity "friends" and who feels good being bragged to? And there were many mean and humiliating game segments. Never humiliating to Ellen, always humiliating one of the guests or even audience members. While these behaviors possibly can all be explained in Ellens psyche, none of them are truely kind. And thats a problem, when you demand "be kind" at the end of each show from everyone on the planet. Its like "be kind, bit I dont have to". Sure, she l, too, profits from a world.if kinder, less agressive people.I think its a meachanism if constructing entitlement from a sense of percieved victimhood.
THANK YOU FOR NOT PLAYING THE DAKOTA JOHNSON VIDEO AGAIN. It makes me feel soooo embarrassed. Like more embarrassed than I would be even if I was on the receiving end of this situation.
Ofcourse she doesnt give a f. She has nothing to loose and she didnt have to work to get where she is. She is a nepo.
I applaud your editorial choice to describe rather than actually show the Dakota Johnson portion; it gives me a terrible case of the Larry Davids also.
i was told as a young queer kid that my grandfather literally stopped being homophobic cause he was able to sympathize with ellen and thought she was such a nice person. and from what older people in my life had said he wasn’t the only one. if you being a nice person literally shifted how old people VIEW A WHOLE COMMUNITY OF PEOPLE, it’s not surprising that it being revealed you’re rude as fuck sank the ellen ship swiftly.
The fact that Ellen was all buddy-buddy with G-Dubs, shows that once a queer person has tons of money, fame, and influence, theyre no longer relatable to us non-rich and non-famous queer folks. It's quite disheartening how money changes people
I remember nikkitutorials did an interview saying ellen was very rude and cold when she went on to her show and alot of people were shocked because they thought ellen was so sweet then fast forward a few months later ellen get's exposed for being a terrible person basically conforming what nikki had said
So I guess the context is lost if you weren’t there in 1996, but the Ellen sitcom was one of the most watched shows on network TV. I can’t stress how Ellen used to be beloved by basically everyone. Her sort of self deprecating comedy on the sitcom was novel for network TV. Everything changed when she filmed the Puppy Episode, which is the one with the clip of her coming out. This wasn’t done before on national TV and the backlash it received was extreme. She was immediately cut from network TV, and her magazines, etc. were publicly burned by angry bigots in response to her coming out. She appeared on the Oprah show a few months later to discuss her life after coming out, and the broadcast was so controversial that the network Oprah’s show was on had to hire military-trained security and bomb squads to periodically sweep the building to ensure nobody would attack the network just for having Ellen on one of their shows. She became this sort of sympathy figure of sorts when the backlash subsided, and she handled the backlash very well, given she was receiving death threats personally, and terroristic threats wherever she was working. This caused a bunch of people to build up a lot of good will towards her as a sort of fighter for who she is during a time when it was explicitly unacceptable to be queer and anti-queer backlash could very much result in your death. The legacy of the Ellen talk show was that it was an explicitly queer talk show during the early 2000s - a time when explicitly queer figures in entertainment were generally forced out of the public eye. Ellen routinely used her platform to advance LGBTQ issues into the mainstream, including California’s Proposition 8, which passed in 2008 codifying the definition of marriage as cis man and cis woman. The Obama presidency was landmark in terms of civil rights advancement, and President Obama himself used media to both advance his administration’s progressive goals, but also get a feel for what was happening on the ground. Ellen’s contributions to the landscape of queer rights by bringing the kind of visibility and mainstream acceptance to queerness can’t be understated. With that said, I do think she was a troubled individual in some regards. A lot of the show hasn’t aged well, but a lot of talk shows don’t age all that well. But I definitely don’t think she’s the villain people believe she is, and I’m certain a lot of people in my age cohort (mid-30s/early-40s) also agree.
Absolutely this although I do think she changed for the worst also the friendship with George W Bush & ignoring why so many people were angered by also doubling down on it, definitely I think undermined her standing in the community.
Honestly, not saying Ellen was a great person, but people worse than her still do have a career, and in that case, comparatively, she didn’t deserve to be so publicly shunned
I'm sure being a multimillionaire softens the pain.
I think you missed one of the most important aspects about this conversation:
Ellen was all about creating joy and being kind. Her whole image was "being wholesome and kind"
So for the whole world to find out she was not kind and had a reputation of being mean, was shocking.
It was basically the same thing as the whole Ned Fulmer and Lizzo situation, completely breaking your public image.
Hit the like the second Marsha P J appeared onscreen ngl
The Gayest Episode Ever podcast did a great job of dissecting the Ellen coming out episode. The show was constantly pivoting to find a bigger audience, and they pivoted to being gay, and accidentally made TV history.
Also as an old (millennial), I'd like to see a thoughtful take on Gen Z's weird selective cancellation of older artists. John Lennon, David Bowie, et al have honestly pretty light allegations compared to so many other artists of yesteryear. Why them? Why now?
Without even extrapolating further on your theory about how humour evolved post-2016, i can definitively say i agree. What a breakdown.
Also, to your credit, i dont think making fun of Madame Web is being unkind to Dakota Johnson 😂 you can tell in her press tour that she didnt even fw the movie lmao
I made a personal choice to stop watching Ellen after she put Kevin Hart on her show to clear his reputations after the fallout of him "not apologizing" for the hitting hypothetical gay son joke that make him quit the Oscar hosting gig. And then the George W. Bush photo. Both made me think that Ellen valued her being a comedian and a affluent person more than being gay. That, if she had to choose, the gay community wouldn't be her top priorities.
crazy how 9/11 led to the downfall of ellen
9/11 inspires gerard way to form my chemical romance -> stephanie meyer is inspired by my chemical romance to create twilight -> 50 shades of grey is written as twilight fanfiction but gets really popular and dakota johnson is cast in the movie -> dakota johnson becomes a more commonly known actress and ends up on the ellen show
7:17 At the time, a lot of celebrities didn’t really take random pictures like that. It seemed crazy at the time. If I’m not mistaken, she was trying to break a record for biggest selfie? Maybe I’m not remembering that correctly, though.
Either way, I don’t think plucking people (especially minors) on tv was really good for those people and raises questions. Also if I remember right, the target kid was a minor who was so relentlessly harassed that he had to get off the internet.
While I do not think that is the way to go about, I miss when comedy and memes really brought people together. People are so split on everything and into their own weird online niches. Music has suffered because of this, too. “The man” doesn’t want us laughing together and getting along.
I really appreciate your content- I admit that I have to keep pausing to keep up with your quick speech
and even quicker mind.
I feel as though I have had the Cliff Notes on speed of current media topics when my older, slower brain has
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i knew immediately how this video was going to start when i clicked on it LMFAOO
I feel like the Nicki Tutorial drama was the start of people taking the rumors seriously.
I just got back from a trip in NYC and was genuinely surprised to see Ellen's name plastered on Radio City Music Hall when walking past it (not that it mattered but still an eyebrow raiser).
I think the issue was her authenticity, the image she portrayed and there had been lots of stories that she was just unnecessarily rude and unpleasant in real life. I also think a lot of LGBTQ people are saddened about it and I remember being at an AIDS benefit she hosted and raised thousands of dollars.
Great video BTW 👌
I feel “this generation” are very much the Andy scene in Toy Story 2 “I don’t want to play with you anymore”. Do we also feel it’s sexism? If there’s a lot of male tv show hosts who have done much worse.
You said this perfectly!
@@christina.kleman I think it also explains why people don’t cancel say Trisha Paytas or Jeffery Star. Because they can milk them for drama. Can’t really can’t that content for Ellen
I don’t think so. Most other tv hosts don’t build their brand as “be kind” and family friendly.
Especially with them being on late night versus daytime. If Maury Povich was like “be good to each other, guys” and then turned out to be an asshole, that’d be a fair comparison. But Ellen’s whole thing was that she was *nice*. And that facade cracked reeeally fast.
She’s basically the Other Mother from Coraline but daytime tv.
@@iain9757 JS and Trisha exist in a permanent limbo state of cancellization, thats basically their entire brand.
I'd also argue that there's a decent male counter part in James Cordon. Granted the Late Late Show was not HIM in the same way the Ellen Show was her, but his whole thing was a very similar "im a super friendly funny guy with self deprecating humour to throw guests off balance", meanwhile being a complete asshole to everyone in real life. Frankly people showed a LOT more tolerance and patience towards Ellen than they did Cordon given that her show ran for nearly 20 years and he destroyed the LLS in just over 7.
@@jazzycat8917 oh I mean more people get entertainment out of JS and Trisha so the more drama the better
Yeah as a gay in media myself I struggle to pin down my feelings on whether I should give her more grace for paving the way for queer representation in media. Ultimately, I've kind of landed on that her marginalized status may have contributed to her downfall-her brand did way more damage. Everyone loves to see someone fall off the moral high road. These allegations have made this conversation a long time coming.
Just because she changed the landscape doesn't mean she's owed continued success. If she can't treat a staff with respect while plastering on a smile than she shouldn't be in show business. Retire and give your spot to someone who will use the platform and not emotionally abuse their staff in the process.
Also you're totally right about the Obama years lulling everyone into complacency. I still remember people undermining the Furgeson protests by pointing to having a Black president and implying it solved systemic racism.
THANK YOU FOR NOT SHOWING THE CLIP I HATE IT FOR THE SAME EXACT REASON
She never did her research, she never actually cared about people. She was aways awful.
Can you make a video/deep dive of Man Repeller and Leandra Medine?? Or by extension the into the gloss/glossier/alexa Chung era of fashion and beauty? So so interesting! Leandra’s disastrous interview with on the cutting room floor is INSANE
I think the viral phenomenon of the girl (“hauk tuah”) is because of how crass and direct it was. Not only unhinged but kind of ironic since there has been a lot of commentary about dating lately, especially with the backlash of Bumble’s campaign. Also, p**n culture is basically rampant - not saying that’s what she was trying to sensationalize but rather the casualness of intimate relationships. Definitely could imagine her being invited onto Ellen’s show if that was still airing and Ellen making judgy, back-handed comments that would either go over her head or she’d laugh off.
I love your videos exactly for this reason: they make you think! Very thought provoking & a joy to watch! Love it. Thanks for been here for us in this weird old world we all live in:)
Kayla youre so awesome, i love your analysis. Such a gem of a channel. Excited to see u keep it up and advance more bc u deserve it!
Actually that's not the truth Kayla. Congrats on your grind btw! It's an inspiration 🙏
I thought I did got clickbait at first, but you did cook
I saw Nikkie Tutorials talk about how it wasn’t nice being in Ellen. Her face said it all. After Nikkie came out. She alluded to how badly she was treated.
The only reason I know about the phrase "hauk tua" is because of the Rope Drop Humor of Disney World group LOL. Shows you how much I pay attention to pop culture lol.
your channel is like my better quality mini ellen show, i had literally never heard of that girl in the beginning before this 😭
On the topic of talk shows, I would love a video about Hot Ones! Would love to see a breakdown of how Hot Ones has changed how interviews are done than the traditional TV format.
honestly disappointed because adding "Ellend" somewhere in the tittle would have made this perfect
Society makes the most random people famous bruh 💀
I'm still surprised at how many random viral moments allow people to monetize it but i guess that's the blessing and curse of the internet so I ain't mad at anyone getting their come up, just moreso surprised how much more society pays attention to those random viral moments and celeb culture over other things
Great video btw and fantastic tie in to the Ellen topic.
She had a performance scheduled at the venue where I work, but it was cancelled due to low ticket sales. I think Ellen’s stand up road has run its course. I’m interested to see if any of her other ventures survive the damage to her reputation.
Something I never really see anyone talking about is Ellen’s game show. The way she laughed and smiled whenever she pressed the drop button or the spin button always made me uncomfortable
I don't think Ellen is very different from the majority of Hollywood celebs.
The point is people have forgotten what Hollywood is really like. Not only Hollywood celebrities attempt to live in an illusion, it counts for the majority of people.