Inconsistent is the best way of putting it. The highs and lows of Star Wars over the past decade has been quite something to experience. From shows that meander until their underwhelming finale to them releasing the best addition to the saga since the Empire Strikes Back like thrice, it hasn't been all bad or all good.
That's what really frustrates me about Disney era Star Wars, around 75% (being generous) of it has been dull meandering corporate-mandated slop that I'll inevitably forget within a month of watching it, but I find myself compelled to keep sitting through hours of that mediocre content in the hopes I may end up getting something like Andor or The Last Jedi (which I also like)
i just watch any new star wars content without engaging in the fandom side because I’m tired of seeing people arguing over the same 5 things and atp it feels like nothing productive ever comes out of it
Exactly my thoughts, sometimes I feel like letting the toxicity in so I watch a couple of videos by Robot Head (objective toxicity, yes, he's objectively right in a mean and funny way, but I never watch his videos while I'm watching a series, only after 😂)
I mostly just stick with commentary channels that I know give good takes. or do episode reviews to see if i missed anything and seeing if my feelings match up. (like if I didn't think it was as good as it could've been, but turns out I missed something due to not being aware it was tied to some character or political thing I didn't pay attention to. Sort of treating these videos like extra study guides or something)
I remember when Season 7 of The Clone Wars was announced. Everyone praised Disney for bring it back. And I was sitting there thinking “Didn’t they cancel the show?”
The Star Wars fandom has been horrendously toxic for a long time. They bully Jake Llyod who played young Anakin so badly he quit acting in 2001. He was only 12. People have just shifted to "wokeness" to be their new boogeyman whereas, as you guys rightfully point out, it's corporate greed that's hurting the franchise.
The SW fandom just hasn’t been fun in a long, long time. And it can be traced back to Episode 1 where Jake Lloyd *and* Ahmed Best (who played Jar Jar) were bullied into oblivion by fans.
Not true. His Mother recently came out and said his exit from Hollywood was due to turmoil at home (Divorce). Also his mental health issues (schizophrenia) were completely unrelated to Star Wars and are hereditary from his father's side and that he never really heard any of the criticism because she shielded it from him. Most importantly though is that he is still a massive Star Wars fan to this day!
I ended up really liking Ahsoka, but I absolutely agree with you that unless you've watched Rebels, it's really hard to get much out of. My husband and I actually groaned when we watched the first episode and realized it was all going to be based on Rebels (we'd tried giving Rebels a shot a few months before, and dropped it after two episodes because like, the first two episodes really are terrible kiddy show fare.) So we decided "fine, we're gonna watch Rebels first", and fortunately by the end I actually really loved Rebels, but yeah. Keeping up with Star Wars shouldn't feel like homework.
Rebels is rough. You gotta cherry pick episodes and the only good ones are when Darth Maul shows up, world between worlds and Thrawn. And that’s it. Got sift through a lot of cave to get that diamond.
@@treadlightly76 admittedly, I did like a lot more of rebels than that, but I also think how much you enjoy it really depends on what you're trying to get out of the series. I absolutely agree that Thrawn, Maul, and the world between worlds were the best parts of the series, without a doubt, and they're also the most interesting parts as far as tying into the greater Star Wars universe. But there ended up being a lot more I loved in the series than I ever expected. The introduction of the inquisitor in season one, literally executing the prior incompetent villains for their failure was a great way to transition the show from Saturday morning cartoon shenanigans to something they wanted you to take more seriously, I absolutely hated Ezra at the beginning but he ended up having a really great arc as he grew up, and Kanan Jarrus is easily my favorite Jedi in the canon, and I'm usually excited for anything that touches on older and weirder connections with the force, so the weird primordial force being who lived near their first base was absolutely something I wanted more of. I also thought they did a really great job with Agent Kallus, his storyline and eventual change of allegiance felt really good. If you've ever played the Fantasy Flight Games Star Wars TTRPG, a lot of Rebels ended up feeling like watching a long term campaign play out as a TV show. But I totally get that it wasn't for everyone, and it definitely had weak spots. I'm glad there were some things you were able to enjoy from it regardless!
I was initially turned off by Rebel due to the art style but a friend convinced me to watch it and I'm really glad I did! It's now probably one of my favorite Star Wars shows and made Ezra among my top Star Wars characters. Maybe I'm just easily entertained but I honestly didn't even mind the silly kids stuff in season 1... 😭 but best believe I was bawling my eyes out by the ends of season 2 and 4.
I'll just be glad that The Force Awakens, Rogue One, The Mandalorian Season 1 & 2, and Andor exist. This and MCU after Endgame made me realized that you can be a fan of something without having to eat up every bland dish being shove down your throat.
It was better than any of the official trilogy, but it's obvious that there was a better story originally there that for some reason Disney decided not to go with. Still when you look at all the behind the scenes problems the film had, it came out remarkably well; certainly one of the few Disney/SW projects I'd spend money on to own.
Dude! I remember back when Star Trek 2009 came out. While I honestly disliked that film, the thought immediately came to me that JJ Abrams was a terrible Star Trek director, but might might a great Star Wars director. I was really hyped when I heard he was directing the first of the Disney SW films so you can imagine my excitement and even greater disappointment.
I have not watched andor. But my (heterosexual male) friend said he hated it bc it didn’t have any cool droids or aliens or cool alien planets and it was just humans being humans. I thought that take was interstijg enough to leave in a yt comment. 🤷♂️
I mean hating it for that is a bit much but I do think it was missing a lot of the alien/droid star wars aesthetic elements. The creators even admitted and acknowledged it and talked about fixing it for S2. It kinda works with the grounded feel of the show but it does make it feel a little too separate from the rest of Star Wars.
It kinda sucks that Andor is the least watched Star Wars show on Disney plus. Just goes to show that despite what they claim, Star Wars fans are only interested in regurgitated nostalgia like Obi Wan, Boba Fett and Ahsoka
Or I don't know The fact that food shows have not been up to par and has been considered mediocre to terrible that people just dropped out of Star wars due to the shows not being as good. You can't have one good show in a franchise not only base out of his side character from a movie but also due to the fact that the shows that came before its arrival has not been very good. This whole fan is toxic thing. It's kind of dissigious due to the fact that the quality of Star wars has taken a downward dip. And I know people had problems with the prequel trilogy but there were a whole lot of more but there were still many people that like it in the series still had something to build up with such as the TV series.
Yeah, the only show people praise definitely demonstrates... that people stopped fucking watching because Star Wars is bad now and has been for so long that we've mostly all left the fandom. Check out The Acolytes numbers. We're interested in GOOD STORYTELLING. Nice try though.
You know when we had the Disney Renaissance, where a LOT of 2D animated movies started being greenlit and there were several cool ideas and new stories coming out, like Treasure Planet, The Emperor's New Groove, and other out of the box plots? And how that happened because they were gonna end the 2D branch and fire everyone, so they got a last hurrah to do what they wanted? I was HOPING this was gonna happen with the streaming boom, where they would greenlight wild and cool ideas just to fill their services with content and be competitive. It's SO WEIRD that what happened was that every cool idea has to pitch several seasons or sequels, and then they shove unfinished and half-baked ideas and just. Leave them as is and disappoint every audience they get. Or they are ACTUALLY good but get cancelled, leaving us disappointed yet again. How did that happen?
Omg, I thought I was the only one 😅 I just miss Andor so much I watch everything that has Andor in it. Reactions, hate rants, anything 😆 Give us a trailer for the second season already!
We could talk about all of the movies that should’ve been tv shows and tv shows that should’ve been movies. And how Disney has made it difficult for franchises to tell their stories partially because of it.
obi wan and book of boba fett were both supposed to be movies !! I remember seeing the og announcement and being super stoked. then solo flopped and disney hardcore back peddled, doing a shit ton of rewrites and dropping them on d+ as tv series
I feel justified hearing you say that watching the movies in chronological order was not the way to go. Release order is the perfect way to see the movies. Not chronological or hatchet or whatever other nonsense combo.
I've loved Star Wars for as long as I've been alive. I will probably always love it. There are certain shows and movies I don't enjoy that much. But I don't rant about it on social media being insufferable about it. I simply choose not to rewatch those parts of the franchise. Nothing could ever take away how much this franchise truly means to me.
As someone who used to be a Star Wars fan, the marvel and Star Wars fandom are made of a bunch of bullies. People like John Boyega, Kelly Marie Tran, and Moses Ingram should be owed an apology after what they have been through.
What about The Bad Batch? One of the best Star Wars shows of the recent era. It explores the same themes as Andor, around the rise of the Galactic Empire, the politics, and the effect on everyday people.
I couldn't even finish season 1 of the Bad Batch. I'm sure it's fine for people, but it's not remotely in the same class as Andor. Better than something like Book of Boba Fett, sure.
… The Last Jedi is my favorite movie out of the new trilogy… And this statement was very brave of me because the Star Wars fandom is one of the fandoms I fear the most alongside the swifties
I'm glad someone gave me context. I watched the prequels as a kid and kind of left it there until the recent trilogy came out. The only show I've seen since was the Acolyte, but the conversations online are so toxic. And objectively I feel like it was a meh show, I think I'll stay away from Stars for now
I love Star Wars but damn my disillusionment with Disney is extending to Star wars due to how disney keeps fumbling the bag At least I still have the Clone wars, Rebels, Rouge One, the Jedi Fallen order and Jedi Survivor videos games.
6:20 i mean george lucas didn’t plan the og trilogy so it’s not really surprising (i’m not saying that they shouldn’t have planned the sequel trilogy btw)
he did have plans, there was just room to change them. a lot of behind the scenes stuff is available for a new hope, and it really gives you an idea of how much of star wars lucas was thinking about and how he just plucked out this one story from his grand soap opera to tell because of restrictions placed on him at the time.
Reeeeeeally enjoyed this collab!! And besides sci-fi, baseball is my other big love so thanks for the link to Brian's channel - he's got a brand new subscriber 😊
I would say all Sci Fi does. The way people act with Doctor Who, Star Wars, Star Trek and others you’d think in their 60ish years they NEVER EVER had a bad episode until now
Blaming "wokeness" for a series underperfoming is so petty and transparent. Anytime I just see people using the "go woke, go broke" to review something negatively I just immediately ignore them. It's obvious that it's not going to be an unbiased review.
I have been a Star Wars fan since late 2015. It is my entire world, and it’s the most at home i’ve ever felt in a fandom. I have made so many friends through Star Wars and I genuinely love the entire franchise (special shoutout to the Jedi games bc those are excellent Star Wars stories that don’t get enough attention). It can be such a wonderful community to be apart of and so many people are very welcoming of newcomers and are able to have civil discussions with other fans about things they disagree on. But there are very toxic people who come in and act so hateful and attempt to ruin it for everyone else. These people are grifters and the fandom at large are sick of them coming in and just generally being very moronic and discriminatory. It upsets me so much that they are completely ignorant to the messages of Star Wars and seem to make it their aim to spread hate and toxicity in the name of being a “fan”. These people are not fans. Spreading bigotry and hatred is not a valid form of fan expression or criticism, you’re just being an a*shole. I hate that people outside of the community think we are all like that because we’re not. The majority of us speak out against these people and try to make the Star Wars community as welcoming as it can be. At the end of the day, I just want to talk about the thing I love in peace. Idk why that’s too much to ask from some people 😭
@@kamillavalter i haven't interacted with anime in YEARS so idk what the fandoms are like and i know it's not a competition... but simply liking the a piece of star wars media that someone else doesn't can get you called slurs in this fandom
I've been in the Star Wars fandom since I was a kid, and I haven't really experienced toxicity. I've heard people all my life talking about the toxicity of the Star Wars fanbase but honestly I think I just got lucky with the people I interact with? Maybe it's bc i dont really use reddit or twitter, which are where I hear a lot of this "toxicity" takes place, but as someone who doesn't use those platforms I cant testify to that.
The penultimate ep was kind of blah for me bc we’d seen a good chunk of it already and we never got another anchor point to the present with Mae (I wish we’d gotten to check back in with the Sol and Mae literally at all aside from the very first minute or two)
Just came here after watching the finale and I'm inclined to say it's one of the stronger Disney era Star Wars shows. It's not perfect; the dialogue is really weak, several of the characters were bland, and (like most 6-8 episode Disney shows) the pacing desperately needed to be improved. But it's doing more interesting things than most of the other Star Wars content, it's got some cool fight scenes, and I think Lee Jung-jae and Manny Jacinto's characters were some of the most interesting new additions to the Star Wars canon we've had in a while
Fun video! Hope you guys collaborate on another in the future. Love that you guys didn't mention the Han Solo movie because there isn't much to say about it.
And right as you upload this, a group of men over 40 are hosting a live stream funeral for Star Wars on Film Threat’s channel 🙃 This was a very fair analysis and having both of your perspectives really added value. If only the fandom was this sensible.
I also need to add, re: Ashoka, if you DID watch Clone Wars & Rebels, and you DO love those characters SO MUCH.... then I promise you will be absolutely DEVASTATED by what they do with them in Ashoka.... I mean... Hera's actor from the Clone Wars was replaced for NEPOTISM HIRE and that's just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the assassination of that incredible crew... also the fact we're teased Zeb in The Mandalorian and DON'T GET HIM IN ASHOKA is hecking insane....
I love this style of video where you collab, hopefully you can find other occasions to do so in the future. The old fan and new observer is a good dynamic. Also andor rules and thank you for your sane approach. Always entertaining and informative Kayla.
What made Star Wars fun and exciting for me again was playing the Star Wars video games. All of them have been so enjoyable for me, and in my opinion, the games have been far more consistent in quality than any Star Wars content on tv or in theaters.
Yup. After the OT, it's all about the EU. The prequels were really fucking terrible and thoughtless, and Disney's Star Wars has been considerably worse. Other than apparently Andor, none of it is even good (I'd say The Mandalorian, what I saw of it, was maybe 5/10, so not bad, but not good either). Shadows of the Empire wasn't great but it was fun (I think the Speeder Bike level was actually the best, not the Hoth level); KotOR and KotOR 2 were phenomenal; Rebel Assault 1 & 2 were great; X-Wing: Rogue Squadron was very good; even stuff like the Super Star Wars games were fun.
10:21 "The last time the company committed to truly new ideas and taking risks with established characters, the fans hated it." I am so tired of this rhetoric. People didn't hate TLJ because it "took risks", people hated it because it shat on The Force Awakens and basically scrapped everything that movie set up. You also have to remember that after TFA came out, there were all kinds of theories for where the story would go next, and TLJ pissed all over them. Plus, every time it looked like the film would actually go in an interesting direction, it always pulled back. Holdo being a traitor or even being a secret agent for the First Order? Nah, she's Resistance through and through. Rey joining Kylo and abandoning all concepts of Jedi, Sith, Resistance, and First Order? Nah, she rejects him. You're not really taking risks if you don't go all the way with it.
andor having 12 episodes really does such a service, compared to 8 episodes like all the others (and so many prestige shows that have weird pacing and little payoff) i’m so glad they did that bc it would be vastly different 4 episodes shorter
I loved Brian's appearances in your previous videos, so I'm happy to see a formal collaboration!!! Also.... 14:34 is that a cover of right now by newjeans in the bg? 👀 excellent taste
I dug The Acolyte so much! To me, not engaging with the fandom and just taking it as it was, I was pretty impressed with the characters, fight choreo, and how it examines the mythos of the Jedi while introducing neat ideas like the Force coven. Also, Manny Jacinto very sexy like a wet cat
I think the Star Wars fandom is the definition of a cesspool. People arguing about the same old rhetoric “DiSnEy bAd?!” and relies on right-wing dog whistles like criticizing “wokeness” and blaming diversity when it’s just bad writing. Another thing I’ve noticed with the fandom is how a lot of people have this extreme chokehold on nostalgia and anytime there’s anything new, they go on these hate bandwagons to make themselves feel better. It’s this cognitive dissonance and bad faith that makes the fandom so insufferable and how that reputation precedes them. I don’t take anything the fandom says seriously anymore because of this phenomenon.
As somebody who genuinely loves a lot of modern Star Wars content, even I was surprised how much I dug the hell out of The Acolyte. It wasn’t perfect by any means, but it offered a fresh and unique take on the universe and I hope that despite all the culture war nonsense, it gets renewed for a second season. One thing that I love is that Disney and Lucasfilm haven’t been afraid to shy away from portraying the Jedi as flawed and complex and I think The Acolyte is one of the best examples of that. Also, Klaud is life
@@erikdaniels0n do you think Obi-Wan Kenobi, which I gave up on halfway through, and The Book of Boba Fett, which I enjoyed for what it is was since I’ve never finished any of the animated shows, should’ve been movies? Because it seems like Disney has been making things complicated for their franchises to tell their stories because they need Disney+ content.
@@AJ-xc4qe I honestly feel like we didn’t need either. We’ve already seen a decent amount of both of those characters, and I didn’t think either of them needed a solo project necessarily. It js felt greedy to me.
I’ve really been loving the Acolyte, despite its flaws, it’s been a fun show, and the character dynamics are very interesting, I think they killed off one too many characters in the forest, since our cast was already decently small, but hopefully the finale will be good. (I haven’t watched it yet)
I think the Acolyte is not that bad. It's enjoyable for me to watch, although I know it's very flawed. It is much better than some of the other stuff Disney has churned out recently, so it's a win in my books.
I always enjoy your videos Kayla! I also enjoyed this approach to making a video about someething you both like, and i think it was sweet to hear how you guys talk to one another and bounce off each other. Great video all around! Also a huge star wars fan since I was a kid, thoroughly enjoyed this analysis of the new canon :)
Rose was the best new character of the new trilogy and the way they did her in ROS turned me off of Star Wars completely, especially with the meta knowledge of what KMT went through.
Great video guys! And honestly, I'm kind of taken aback by how much it aligns with my own opinions on the recent output of this franchise. I've sort of come to terms with the state of Star Wars as a whole, I'd love for Disney to scale things back, perhaps take a break with this franchise, but I know they are going to keep churning out slop until the sun goes out and there's probably very little we can really do about it. I'm content to just like the stuff I like (e.g. The Last Jedi, Andor, The Mandalorian S1-2, most of the animated stuff, IDK The Acolyte was pretty cool) and let the rest of it fall to the wayside, while also doing my best to ignore the culture war BS merchants and their stupid and/or bigoted commentary.
condolences about being shown the star wars series in chornological order instead of when they were made 😅 I pretty much saw them as those VHS versions of the original trilogy with the Leonard Maltin intros, and then I saw the special editions of the original trilogy and I think in my experience I kind of liked them all in different ways when I was younger. I think becasue I had access to both versions and one didn't negate the existence of the other and I could choose to go either way. I liked the Special Editions becasue I could see newer cool looking CGI at the time for the stuff that they weren't able to do when they originally filmed it. And if I wasn't in the mood for seeing that, I could just go to the original version. But from what I've come to learn that for other people they didn't have that choice and the original VHS cuts of the movie after they were released in the 90s weren't made avaialble anymore and it was only the special editions that were around as far as the dvd releases and all that. And I think that really stinks and was a shame that people didn't have a choice in cuts for later formats. I'm not sure if the original version cuts were made accessible years later on dvd or bluray, I haven't followed up on that since, mainly going off the feelings of my memories of what I saw from the original vhs cuts and some clips i've seen uploaded to CZcams that prove that I wasn't crazy and I saw the versions that I grew up with.
I liked the overall level-headed nature of this video. It featured criticism in a way that said "It's Star Wars, it really shouldn't matter that much " which, as a pretty hardcore fan, I definitely agree with. The thing that also irks me about the trash reviews is that they predominantly focus on the Sequel Trilogy and the live-action streaming shows. Which, yes they are Disney's main focus, but they usually totally ignore all of the animated shows, comics, and novels that we've gotten that are exceptional as well.
I couldn’t get myself to watch the second episode of acolyte, I tried so hard but after the first episode I was surprised by how much it just didn’t feel like Star Wars at ALL
No one says "star wars is bad now because there are black people and women in it." What they say is that a major contributing factor for why nearly everything Lucasfilm has released under disney has been terrible is because the same strident, clumsy sociopolitical messaging that has characterized everything disney has done for the past six or eight years has also been prioritized in disney star wars; and to the true belivers in this sociopolitical messaging, it is, apparently, all a tv show, film, or any other media needs to have in it to qualify a well-made piece of entertainment that long-time fans ought to be embrace without hesitation; also, any criticisms of media that contains this sociopolitical messaging, though the complaints might ostensibly be about an illogical story, incoherent plot, inconsistent characterization, etc., are actually just racist homophobic misogyny from secretly racist homophobic misogynist star wars fans masquerading as legitimate criticisms of poorly made media. Now, some people might say that these sorts of strawman, ad hominem-type attacks against fans are just dishonest efforts by a multi-billion dollar corporation to deflect legitimate criticism away from their shitty shows and cynically use their own actors as shields for Lucasfilm executive's incompetence. But isn't that just what a secret nazi star wars fan would say? After all, star wars fans have always been racist homophobic misogynists, as evidenced by their longstanding rejection of Lando Calrissian, Mace Windu, Princesses Leia and Amidala, and of, course, C3P0. Everyone remembers how the character of Jar-Jar Binks was despised by the fans simply because he was voiced by a black actor, just as Darth Vader and voice actor James Earl Jones had been rejected by fans 30 years earlier. Jake Lloyd, of course, was subjected to attacks that were totally unfair for a child, because, um...star wars fans thought he might be gay or something? Well, whatever the reason, I'm sure it totally based his race, gender and/or sexual orientation. Most recently, fans rejoiced to see less women in star wars when Gina Carrano was very justly fired from her role on "The Mandalorian."
honestly, in a fandom that won't shut the hell up about how women and pocs ruined their franchise, hearing a woman's level-headed critiques of why this franchise is actually so tiring now is very refreshing. i would actually go as far to say the opposite is true of what the culture war mob is saying. like you said, star wars CONSISTENTLY fails its poc characters by not giving them interesting/satisfying arcs or pretending they don't exist when fans are bigoted towards them. even the white leading ladies of the franchise such as rey are made two-dimensional by the final movie by making her a palpatine and miraculously giving her the ability to heal mortal wounds as a desperate last plea to get fans to warm to her. to those saying "that's just a female power fantasy" all THREE of the sequel trilogy movies were written by dudes! in this case it's not actually women and pocs ruining this franchise just by existing; it's the lack of care towards these characters and ALL characters and stories in this franchise that actually hurt it in the long run. i really liked rey in those first two movies, and to see them just give up on her as well as everyone in the trilogy hurt me sooo bad. the weirdest part is that's not even that new for star wars to fail here, and i don't see critiques of the explanation for our beloved queen and girlboss padme's death. apparently she "died of a broken heart" and totally not because of complications in birth right after being force choked. she insists anakin still has good at him, but supposedly doesn't have the will to live to see if she's right or to look after what should ultimately be her (i'm so sorry for this pun) new hope for living; her children. but you're right star wars fans, the original movies were totally perfect with their portrayals of women and the new movies are woke garbage because there's pocs being done dirty instead of only briefly appearing (mace windu) in your galaxy far far away. sorry for this long-ass comment i apparently had a lot to say on this franchise i've grown mostly apathetic towards. would love to see actual pocs and women's takes on poc and female representation if this pasty white enby got anything wrong. edit: i DID admittedly forget about lando, he is cool and important in the original trilogy. even if he is the only black guy there he DOES have an arc where so many other pocs get nothing or are mostly in the background despite being cool and respected. here's hoping we eventually get a woman of colour in this franchise that people can get behind, because all of them have either had racist attacks on them or their characters have elicited a bit of a "meh" if it isn't that.
I dont think a lot of people liked the explanation for padme's death anyways but i could be wrong about that. also, are we gonna forget about lando's whole arc in ep5 and his role in 6? and how leia was a badass through and through? and mace windu, while appearing briefly in the PT, was still a character with significance and dignity. i agree that they have been fumbling representation in SW for a while tho.
@@sawcrab2249 ok true those characters are all baddies and i apologise for the lando erasure i actually deadass forgot how important he is. and true mace windu was involved in a pretty significant fight with palpatine tbf. leia IS a baddie but i still hate how there was some convoluted reason why she couldn't be a jedi in the end, like just let her be cool?? maybe it was to differentiate her and luke a bit idk, either way LOVE leia, definitely the best woman the franchise has in the movies.
@@Hello_Sidney153 fr leia rocks. is ur point abt her not being able to be a jedi in the end directed at ROTJ or at the fact that Luke got trained and not her? With ROTJ its like they had no time to train her lol there were other things to do, but I don't see why she couldntve been told of her lineage and instructed in the ways of the force the same way luke was. My reasons r: probably so they had a backup in case luke failed, probably because luke was being looked over by obi wan and therefore in closer proximity to the jedi and just more convenient to train, he couldve been stronger in the force than her and therefore more viable, but only one of these is really supported by the movies and that's the second one.
A very solid video and it was cool of your boyfriend to pitch in with this video, he made a lot of points I agreed with especially when discussing Mando S3, Ahsoka and the Acolyte
Some Fandoms are such cults nowadays and being super into Star Wars is a red flag for me sure I like it too but too many ppl I’ve met too into it has turned me off to not wanting to be friendship or romantically interested
Love the video! Great points throughout and I'm also a huge Andor fan myself. I wanted to give some thoughts on some of the stuff said about the sequels (obviously). I had some thoughts on Luke but they were too much so I've put it in a reply 💀 I gotta disagree with you when it comes to mystifying the force, the point about making older characters more interesting, the point about Holdo and the idea that the directors disagree, which are ultimately small parts of the video but these things matter to me. The force was and always has been quite a mystery. We know it allows for powers but we aren't quite sure how it does the things we see it do, where the force comes from, why it has a will, among other things about it. What *was* established in the originals was that certain people could use the force, along with the fact that you could be stronger or weaker in the force than another force user. What was also established was that lineage had a great deal to do with force-sensitivity, or else Luke being Vader's son and Leia his sister wouldn't mean anything. The prequels introduced that the Force had a will, that it could create life in a VERY SPECIFIC CIRCUMSTANCE, and exactly how sensitivity to the force is measured, but not that it was a bloodline thing. The force was always and always will be a bloodline thing. The OT characters are criminally under utilised in TLJ (and TFA but that would require a greek epic to get into). Leia gets barely anything except that she's mad at Poe for something that really isn't justified and that she can force pull herself back to a ship (which I don't have too much of a problem with, more the fact that she 1. survived that long 2. wasn't KILOMETERS away by that point). Chewie gets to be an Uber driver and plays with porgs. What an amazing use of the character. Lando is absent (i wont accept TROS' explanation as a defence bc Rian could do anything and decided not to bring in Lando, instead he has the horny little orange alien and Admiral hair dye). Also they kill Admiral Ackbar just because why not. Couldn't have had him fulfill Holdo's role as the relieving general!!! Han is dead at this point but his death isn't acknowledged by like any of the OT heroes. Wedge is missing. You could argue "oh they're off doing other things" or "why do they matter so much, do you want EVERYONE back?", but my point is that Rian could have done ANYTHING and he decided to do NOTHING. Holdo's behaviour was FAR MORE than a miscommunication and the reason she didn't tell anyone isn't explicitly stated in the film to my memory. Later on, Poe just wants to know that there IS a plan at all, telling him that there IS one doesn't endanger anybody. Completely agree with the point that TLJ is horrid as a sequel to ANYTHING or the predecessor to a finale. On the issue of the sequel trilogy and the opinion that the directors disagree with each other, i feel like nerdonymous made the most logically sound point. To summarise Apocrypha pt 2 for those who havent seen it (pls do): There was no plan, Rian Johnson didn't ruin the non-existent plan and nor did he ruin Abrams' film. The evidence is that the twist of Rey's parents being nobodies was engineered to be paved over (and therefore in my opinion, not very bold, Johnson himself said he didn't mind if JJ did exactly that, and he allowed for it by having the source of the information be unreliable (Kylo Ren)) and he didn't do anything significant with Snoke besides killing him and even then they could have just brought him back from the dead and we know they are willing because of Palpatine's return. He makes a strong case for TLJ being the way that it is due to it trying to preserve the mystery boxes. Actually, JJ thought TLJ was so good he wished he'd wrote it (before his spineless ass saw the backlash and walked back on that to help sell tickets). Overall, TLJ is "bold", but not in a good way. It boldly declares it knows Luke Skywalker, when it clearly doesn't, boldly declares it knows the lore but doesn't, boldly makes changes to what is possible without considering the consequences and so on. The risks it took weren't worth it and not praiseworthy. It's mostly a rehash of ESB and ROTJ respectively. This isn't the film you think it is.
The only older characters the film does anything with is Luke. I think the foundation for his change of heart is poor and unsupported by the original trilogy. Characters' changes of heart should be informed by previously established character traits and decisions and shouldn't come out of left field during a time period that gets glossed over. We are told by TFA and TLJ that Luke Skywalker, the man who, since the first film we ever saw him in, has made it his mission to help those in peril wherever and however he can, the man who left behind all his training and common sense only to fall right into a trap to save his friends, the man who was convinced that the embodiment of tyranny and violence in the galaxy could be saved purely based on the knowledge that he was once a good man, his father, a hero and great friend and who helped end the tyranny of the Empire, would fall to cowardice and mistrust of his own nephew. That level of conviction and dedication to your morals requires some life shattering event to take place in order to be shaken to the degree that we see in TFA and TLJ. We are told that Luke was afraid of Ben Solo turning to the dark side. The Luke that we have been shown would never resort to violence. In the face of the Emperor himself he discarded his weapon because he knew a Jedi was more than that. He knew that a Jedi is a kind, understanding, patient, loyal and unshakeably just. How does he go from that to deciding that murdering his own nephew to prevent his fall as the FIRST course of action? An innocent child is less worthy of redemption than Darth Vader yeah? I don't buy it.
Great video as always ❤ As a female star wars fan, I agree with most of your points especially with what happened with Kelly Marie Tran. I just want to add to the conversation by saying a good majority of the star wars community is totally fine with gay characters, the POC characters and new additions to the story. The real thing we're mad about is that we want these shows to be written well instead of rotting our brains with plot armor that makes no sense. The Acolyte for example failed because it presented new ideas that could have been genius if they cared enough to make those ideas make sense. Disney Star wars needs to listen to the fans with valid arguments for once because they shouldn't expect us to be grateful we got something every time they announce a project and/or poke fun at us on the internet saying we're all toxic when some of us are not even that cruel. It's a slap in the face to the people that made this franchise what it is.
It's so funny how many people *cough* white men *cough* love to crap on the new trilogy and praise the prequels nowadays, but ESPECIALLY when Force Awakens came out, everyone was hyped asf and didn't give a shit about the prequels. And yes, The Last Jedi is good.
I mean, the prequels were bad, so yeah, people were hyped about the sequels.... because we hoped they would be good, that they would wash the bad taste from the prequels out of our mouths. Oops! Don't get me wrong, the prequels are still fucking TERRIBLE; they're every bit as bad as the sequels. I think the reason people retroactively praise them vs the sequels is that, while they were equally bad in execution, the prequels at least had one coherent concept. A world exists where the prequels were good; no world exists where the prequels, made piecemeal with no coherence movie-to-movie in approach, theme, writer, or director, were satisfying.
I've never had something I truly loved growing up be completely destroyed and made me hate it as much as Star Wars... I'm 39. I was there watching old vhs HBO taped recordings in the early 90's before the special editions. I even watched the prequels which looking back now, are just ok. But man Disney really didn't know how to take care of this franchise. They just killed it all.
Andor has been a shining light in the recent star wars dark age. So refreshing.
Inconsistent is the best way of putting it. The highs and lows of Star Wars over the past decade has been quite something to experience. From shows that meander until their underwhelming finale to them releasing the best addition to the saga since the Empire Strikes Back like thrice, it hasn't been all bad or all good.
That's what really frustrates me about Disney era Star Wars, around 75% (being generous) of it has been dull meandering corporate-mandated slop that I'll inevitably forget within a month of watching it, but I find myself compelled to keep sitting through hours of that mediocre content in the hopes I may end up getting something like Andor or The Last Jedi (which I also like)
“Directed by Gracie Abrams dad” ☠️☠️ I love you
i just watch any new star wars content without engaging in the fandom side because I’m tired of seeing people arguing over the same 5 things and atp it feels like nothing productive ever comes out of it
Same, I just talk about it with close friends and like fan art.
quite literally yes
Exactly my thoughts, sometimes I feel like letting the toxicity in so I watch a couple of videos by Robot Head (objective toxicity, yes, he's objectively right in a mean and funny way, but I never watch his videos while I'm watching a series, only after 😂)
same, and without someone in my ear constantly telling me it’s shit, I’ve enjoyed the content a lot more.
I mostly just stick with commentary channels that I know give good takes.
or do episode reviews to see if i missed anything and seeing if my feelings match up. (like if I didn't think it was as good as it could've been, but turns out I missed something due to not being aware it was tied to some character or political thing I didn't pay attention to. Sort of treating these videos like extra study guides or something)
I remember when Season 7 of The Clone Wars was announced. Everyone praised Disney for bring it back. And I was sitting there thinking “Didn’t they cancel the show?”
Not a Star Wars fans but I learned a lot of these fans are hypocrites
The Star Wars fandom has been horrendously toxic for a long time. They bully Jake Llyod who played young Anakin so badly he quit acting in 2001. He was only 12. People have just shifted to "wokeness" to be their new boogeyman whereas, as you guys rightfully point out, it's corporate greed that's hurting the franchise.
Damn, I didn't know he was bullied, let alone that they did it until he quit acting. Poor guy. People can be so toxic.
The SW fandom just hasn’t been fun in a long, long time. And it can be traced back to Episode 1 where Jake Lloyd *and* Ahmed Best (who played Jar Jar) were bullied into oblivion by fans.
@@NickNightfall1711 Not only him. Ahmed Best too. Hayden and Kelly Marie Tran also got a lot of hate.
then they bullied Kelly Marie Tran so bad she had to write a whole fucking article about it
Not true. His Mother recently came out and said his exit from Hollywood was due to turmoil at home (Divorce). Also his mental health issues (schizophrenia) were completely unrelated to Star Wars and are hereditary from his father's side and that he never really heard any of the criticism because she shielded it from him. Most importantly though is that he is still a massive Star Wars fan to this day!
I ended up really liking Ahsoka, but I absolutely agree with you that unless you've watched Rebels, it's really hard to get much out of. My husband and I actually groaned when we watched the first episode and realized it was all going to be based on Rebels (we'd tried giving Rebels a shot a few months before, and dropped it after two episodes because like, the first two episodes really are terrible kiddy show fare.) So we decided "fine, we're gonna watch Rebels first", and fortunately by the end I actually really loved Rebels, but yeah. Keeping up with Star Wars shouldn't feel like homework.
Rebels has a horrible start but it becomes a good show. Thankfully Ahsoka followed up on the good parts of Rebels which were her plotlines and S3 & 4
Rebels is rough. You gotta cherry pick episodes and the only good ones are when Darth Maul shows up, world between worlds and Thrawn. And that’s it.
Got sift through a lot of cave to get that diamond.
@@treadlightly76 admittedly, I did like a lot more of rebels than that, but I also think how much you enjoy it really depends on what you're trying to get out of the series. I absolutely agree that Thrawn, Maul, and the world between worlds were the best parts of the series, without a doubt, and they're also the most interesting parts as far as tying into the greater Star Wars universe. But there ended up being a lot more I loved in the series than I ever expected. The introduction of the inquisitor in season one, literally executing the prior incompetent villains for their failure was a great way to transition the show from Saturday morning cartoon shenanigans to something they wanted you to take more seriously, I absolutely hated Ezra at the beginning but he ended up having a really great arc as he grew up, and Kanan Jarrus is easily my favorite Jedi in the canon, and I'm usually excited for anything that touches on older and weirder connections with the force, so the weird primordial force being who lived near their first base was absolutely something I wanted more of. I also thought they did a really great job with Agent Kallus, his storyline and eventual change of allegiance felt really good. If you've ever played the Fantasy Flight Games Star Wars TTRPG, a lot of Rebels ended up feeling like watching a long term campaign play out as a TV show. But I totally get that it wasn't for everyone, and it definitely had weak spots. I'm glad there were some things you were able to enjoy from it regardless!
I was initially turned off by Rebel due to the art style but a friend convinced me to watch it and I'm really glad I did! It's now probably one of my favorite Star Wars shows and made Ezra among my top Star Wars characters. Maybe I'm just easily entertained but I honestly didn't even mind the silly kids stuff in season 1... 😭 but best believe I was bawling my eyes out by the ends of season 2 and 4.
I hated Ezra when I watched that show. It was a massive step down from Clone Wars.
I'll just be glad that The Force Awakens, Rogue One, The Mandalorian Season 1 & 2, and Andor exist. This and MCU after Endgame made me realized that you can be a fan of something without having to eat up every bland dish being shove down your throat.
We forgot about rouge one??? oh cmon rouge one was actually goooodd...
i like rogue one too. i think we both agree the less said about solo the better?
It was better than any of the official trilogy, but it's obvious that there was a better story originally there that for some reason Disney decided not to go with. Still when you look at all the behind the scenes problems the film had, it came out remarkably well; certainly one of the few Disney/SW projects I'd spend money on to own.
Girlie be carful this fandom is insane
You say it like Kayla hasnt already tango'd with The swifties 👀
@K.C-2049honestly, at their worst Swifties are way worse than Star Wars fans lol
This is why Im a Trekkie
@K.C-2049yeah, your average Star Wars fan is usually worse than a Swiftie
But your worst Swifties are worse than any stars wars fan
@@adamleonard7097 i mean i consider them equally shit personally. both can be crazy obsessive and racist (or whatever -ists there are)
take me back to 2015 star wars tumblr we had so much hope and excitement. what a time!
yup...the alternate timeline
Dude! I remember back when Star Trek 2009 came out. While I honestly disliked that film, the thought immediately came to me that JJ Abrams was a terrible Star Trek director, but might might a great Star Wars director. I was really hyped when I heard he was directing the first of the Disney SW films so you can imagine my excitement and even greater disappointment.
I have not watched andor.
But my (heterosexual male) friend said he hated it bc it didn’t have any cool droids or aliens or cool alien planets and it was just humans being humans.
I thought that take was interstijg enough to leave in a yt comment. 🤷♂️
I mean hating it for that is a bit much but I do think it was missing a lot of the alien/droid star wars aesthetic elements. The creators even admitted and acknowledged it and talked about fixing it for S2. It kinda works with the grounded feel of the show but it does make it feel a little too separate from the rest of Star Wars.
why specify that hes a heterosexual male.
@@sawcrab2249 bc I find it funny to specify
@@rdr1973 oh okay
@@rdr1973 that's..... weird.
Thank you for being sane.
It kinda sucks that Andor is the least watched Star Wars show on Disney plus.
Just goes to show that despite what they claim, Star Wars fans are only interested in regurgitated nostalgia like Obi Wan, Boba Fett and Ahsoka
Or I don't know The fact that food shows have not been up to par and has been considered mediocre to terrible that people just dropped out of Star wars due to the shows not being as good.
You can't have one good show in a franchise not only base out of his side character from a movie but also due to the fact that the shows that came before its arrival has not been very good.
This whole fan is toxic thing. It's kind of dissigious due to the fact that the quality of Star wars has taken a downward dip. And I know people had problems with the prequel trilogy but there were a whole lot of more but there were still many people that like it in the series still had something to build up with such as the TV series.
Yeah, the only show people praise definitely demonstrates... that people stopped fucking watching because Star Wars is bad now and has been for so long that we've mostly all left the fandom. Check out The Acolytes numbers.
We're interested in GOOD STORYTELLING. Nice try though.
You know when we had the Disney Renaissance, where a LOT of 2D animated movies started being greenlit and there were several cool ideas and new stories coming out, like Treasure Planet, The Emperor's New Groove, and other out of the box plots? And how that happened because they were gonna end the 2D branch and fire everyone, so they got a last hurrah to do what they wanted? I was HOPING this was gonna happen with the streaming boom, where they would greenlight wild and cool ideas just to fill their services with content and be competitive. It's SO WEIRD that what happened was that every cool idea has to pitch several seasons or sequels, and then they shove unfinished and half-baked ideas and just. Leave them as is and disappoint every audience they get. Or they are ACTUALLY good but get cancelled, leaving us disappointed yet again. How did that happen?
I don't know anything about Star Wars. Here to Support you.
I usually just watch these videos mostly cuz you just know there's gonna be Andor praise in these AS IT SHOULD
Omg, I thought I was the only one 😅 I just miss Andor so much I watch everything that has Andor in it. Reactions, hate rants, anything 😆
Give us a trailer for the second season already!
i wish i never skipped over andor, i only watched one episode
@rainebows I mean... you can still go and watch it now?
@@rainebows whats the issue lol just go watch it now
@@ejbell yeah i will just not enough time, ill probably try and catch up before s2
We could talk about all of the movies that should’ve been tv shows and tv shows that should’ve been movies. And how Disney has made it difficult for franchises to tell their stories partially because of it.
obi wan and book of boba fett were both supposed to be movies !! I remember seeing the og announcement and being super stoked. then solo flopped and disney hardcore back peddled, doing a shit ton of rewrites and dropping them on d+ as tv series
I feel justified hearing you say that watching the movies in chronological order was not the way to go. Release order is the perfect way to see the movies. Not chronological or hatchet or whatever other nonsense combo.
I did not expect to see a SW essay on this channel. And you guys love Andor!
I've loved Star Wars for as long as I've been alive. I will probably always love it. There are certain shows and movies I don't enjoy that much. But I don't rant about it on social media being insufferable about it. I simply choose not to rewatch those parts of the franchise. Nothing could ever take away how much this franchise truly means to me.
Andor absolutely rules. One way out. One way out.
As someone who used to be a Star Wars fan, the marvel and Star Wars fandom are made of a bunch of bullies. People like John Boyega, Kelly Marie Tran, and Moses Ingram should be owed an apology after what they have been through.
I’m just living in my own world, waiting for Andor s2😇
Same
What about The Bad Batch? One of the best Star Wars shows of the recent era. It explores the same themes as Andor, around the rise of the Galactic Empire, the politics, and the effect on everyday people.
I couldn't even finish season 1 of the Bad Batch. I'm sure it's fine for people, but it's not remotely in the same class as Andor. Better than something like Book of Boba Fett, sure.
Andor is so goated...
hot take, andor is the best star wars disney has made
How is it a hot take when it is a general consensus?
Mandalorian season 1 for me
HOT TAKE: Water is wet!
have you seen Drew Gooden's video about Star Wars? if not i recommend it
… The Last Jedi is my favorite movie out of the new trilogy…
And this statement was very brave of me because the Star Wars fandom is one of the fandoms I fear the most alongside the swifties
And you're allowed to have that opinion. Forget them stans!
@K.C-2049pardon my lack of internet culture, Gamers with a capital G for Game of thrones or just Generally Gamers on the internet? 😅
@K.C-2049 well there's also people like like to eat their poop too, sooo.............lol
Honestly me too, I wish Rian Johnson had done all three. He had a way more creative vision than JJ Abrams.
Because it's the best of the new films--trilogy or otherwise--by a mile.
I'm glad someone gave me context. I watched the prequels as a kid and kind of left it there until the recent trilogy came out. The only show I've seen since was the Acolyte, but the conversations online are so toxic. And objectively I feel like it was a meh show, I think I'll stay away from Stars for now
I love Star Wars but damn my disillusionment with Disney is extending to Star wars due to how disney keeps fumbling the bag
At least I still have the Clone wars, Rebels, Rouge One, the Jedi Fallen order and Jedi Survivor videos games.
Loved hearing you and your bf on this video! He has a great narrating voice!
6:20 i mean george lucas didn’t plan the og trilogy so it’s not really surprising (i’m not saying that they shouldn’t have planned the sequel trilogy btw)
but at least they had one consistent creator the whole original trilogy the sequel trilogy didnt have even that
he did have plans, there was just room to change them. a lot of behind the scenes stuff is available for a new hope, and it really gives you an idea of how much of star wars lucas was thinking about and how he just plucked out this one story from his grand soap opera to tell because of restrictions placed on him at the time.
@@sawcrab2249 exactly. This leading phrase ("Well, George Lucas didn't have the original trilogy planned-out either!") is so disingenuous.
Reeeeeeally enjoyed this collab!!
And besides sci-fi, baseball is my other big love so thanks for the link to Brian's channel - he's got a brand new subscriber 😊
I would say all Sci Fi does.
The way people act with Doctor Who, Star Wars, Star Trek and others you’d think in their 60ish years they NEVER EVER had a bad episode until now
Blaming "wokeness" for a series underperfoming is so petty and transparent. Anytime I just see people using the "go woke, go broke" to review something negatively I just immediately ignore them. It's obvious that it's not going to be an unbiased review.
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this video rips excellent work you two
in this house, we love Klaud
KLAUD MENTION
I have been a Star Wars fan since late 2015. It is my entire world, and it’s the most at home i’ve ever felt in a fandom. I have made so many friends through Star Wars and I genuinely love the entire franchise (special shoutout to the Jedi games bc those are excellent Star Wars stories that don’t get enough attention). It can be such a wonderful community to be apart of and so many people are very welcoming of newcomers and are able to have civil discussions with other fans about things they disagree on.
But there are very toxic people who come in and act so hateful and attempt to ruin it for everyone else. These people are grifters and the fandom at large are sick of them coming in and just generally being very moronic and discriminatory. It upsets me so much that they are completely ignorant to the messages of Star Wars and seem to make it their aim to spread hate and toxicity in the name of being a “fan”. These people are not fans. Spreading bigotry and hatred is not a valid form of fan expression or criticism, you’re just being an a*shole.
I hate that people outside of the community think we are all like that because we’re not. The majority of us speak out against these people and try to make the Star Wars community as welcoming as it can be. At the end of the day, I just want to talk about the thing I love in peace. Idk why that’s too much to ask from some people 😭
i feel like you either are a fellow thor skywalker fan or you should be one haha
I have been in a lot of fandoms, but the Star Wars fandom seems to be in the top 3 of the most toxic ones, in my opinion
I think videogame and anime fandoms are more toxic.
The nicest healthiest fandom is, in my experience, Twilight 🐀
@@kamillavalter i haven't interacted with anime in YEARS so idk what the fandoms are like and i know it's not a competition... but simply liking the a piece of star wars media that someone else doesn't can get you called slurs in this fandom
I've been in the Star Wars fandom since I was a kid, and I haven't really experienced toxicity. I've heard people all my life talking about the toxicity of the Star Wars fanbase but honestly I think I just got lucky with the people I interact with? Maybe it's bc i dont really use reddit or twitter, which are where I hear a lot of this "toxicity" takes place, but as someone who doesn't use those platforms I cant testify to that.
i love it when kayla says
Before I start the video, I have to say the acolyte is probably one of my favorite Star Wars projects
Same, I’ve really liked it so far. It’s felt like a needed, good change of pace.
The penultimate ep was kind of blah for me bc we’d seen a good chunk of it already and we never got another anchor point to the present with Mae (I wish we’d gotten to check back in with the Sol and Mae literally at all aside from the very first minute or two)
Really? It had a lot of cool ideas. But jt was total chaos. The writing was all over the place.
Just came here after watching the finale and I'm inclined to say it's one of the stronger Disney era Star Wars shows. It's not perfect; the dialogue is really weak, several of the characters were bland, and (like most 6-8 episode Disney shows) the pacing desperately needed to be improved. But it's doing more interesting things than most of the other Star Wars content, it's got some cool fight scenes, and I think Lee Jung-jae and Manny Jacinto's characters were some of the most interesting new additions to the Star Wars canon we've had in a while
RIGHT the ending payoff was so so good
Fun video! Hope you guys collaborate on another in the future. Love that you guys didn't mention the Han Solo movie because there isn't much to say about it.
And right as you upload this, a group of men over 40 are hosting a live stream funeral for Star Wars on Film Threat’s channel 🙃
This was a very fair analysis and having both of your perspectives really added value. If only the fandom was this sensible.
This has the vibe of a burback video I love this
It's not inconsistent when everything that Disney has released has been total garbage. That's the opposite of inconsistent!
I also need to add, re: Ashoka, if you DID watch Clone Wars & Rebels, and you DO love those characters SO MUCH.... then I promise you will be absolutely DEVASTATED by what they do with them in Ashoka.... I mean... Hera's actor from the Clone Wars was replaced for NEPOTISM HIRE and that's just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the assassination of that incredible crew... also the fact we're teased Zeb in The Mandalorian and DON'T GET HIM IN ASHOKA is hecking insane....
more brian/kayla video pleeeeease
I love this style of video where you collab, hopefully you can find other occasions to do so in the future. The old fan and new observer is a good dynamic. Also andor rules and thank you for your sane approach. Always entertaining and informative Kayla.
What made Star Wars fun and exciting for me again was playing the Star Wars video games. All of them have been so enjoyable for me, and in my opinion, the games have been far more consistent in quality than any Star Wars content on tv or in theaters.
Yup. After the OT, it's all about the EU. The prequels were really fucking terrible and thoughtless, and Disney's Star Wars has been considerably worse. Other than apparently Andor, none of it is even good (I'd say The Mandalorian, what I saw of it, was maybe 5/10, so not bad, but not good either).
Shadows of the Empire wasn't great but it was fun (I think the Speeder Bike level was actually the best, not the Hoth level); KotOR and KotOR 2 were phenomenal; Rebel Assault 1 & 2 were great; X-Wing: Rogue Squadron was very good; even stuff like the Super Star Wars games were fun.
10:21 "The last time the company committed to truly new ideas and taking risks with established characters, the fans hated it."
I am so tired of this rhetoric. People didn't hate TLJ because it "took risks", people hated it because it shat on The Force Awakens and basically scrapped everything that movie set up. You also have to remember that after TFA came out, there were all kinds of theories for where the story would go next, and TLJ pissed all over them. Plus, every time it looked like the film would actually go in an interesting direction, it always pulled back. Holdo being a traitor or even being a secret agent for the First Order? Nah, she's Resistance through and through. Rey joining Kylo and abandoning all concepts of Jedi, Sith, Resistance, and First Order? Nah, she rejects him. You're not really taking risks if you don't go all the way with it.
andor having 12 episodes really does such a service, compared to 8 episodes like all the others (and so many prestige shows that have weird pacing and little payoff) i’m so glad they did that bc it would be vastly different 4 episodes shorter
Kayla says? More like Kayla slays 💅🏻 great video!!
I mainly stick to New Era animation like Bad Batch, Andor and the first seasons of Mando for my fix.
Yeah.....i can't argue that this has been a bust.
I loved Brian's appearances in your previous videos, so I'm happy to see a formal collaboration!!!
Also.... 14:34 is that a cover of right now by newjeans in the bg? 👀 excellent taste
I too liked The Last Jedi. There are dozens of us! Dozens!!
TLJ is the second-best Star Wars film after ESB and ahead of ANH.
I wish I did! Glad you enjoyed it, though
I dug The Acolyte so much! To me, not engaging with the fandom and just taking it as it was, I was pretty impressed with the characters, fight choreo, and how it examines the mythos of the Jedi while introducing neat ideas like the Force coven. Also, Manny Jacinto very sexy like a wet cat
Yeah, I don't get the hate, it is a very engaging show.
Hi fellow acolyte lovers! I liked it too! Not gonna lie, sexy manny sold me!
@@Grayvorn Especially as it goes on, I found it getting better and better with each ep…
Star Wars has always been for everyone…
5:15 I’M CRYING😭
I think the Star Wars fandom is the definition of a cesspool. People arguing about the same old rhetoric “DiSnEy bAd?!” and relies on right-wing dog whistles like criticizing “wokeness” and blaming diversity when it’s just bad writing. Another thing I’ve noticed with the fandom is how a lot of people have this extreme chokehold on nostalgia and anytime there’s anything new, they go on these hate bandwagons to make themselves feel better.
It’s this cognitive dissonance and bad faith that makes the fandom so insufferable and how that reputation precedes them. I don’t take anything the fandom says seriously anymore because of this phenomenon.
As somebody who genuinely loves a lot of modern Star Wars content, even I was surprised how much I dug the hell out of The Acolyte. It wasn’t perfect by any means, but it offered a fresh and unique take on the universe and I hope that despite all the culture war nonsense, it gets renewed for a second season. One thing that I love is that Disney and Lucasfilm haven’t been afraid to shy away from portraying the Jedi as flawed and complex and I think The Acolyte is one of the best examples of that. Also, Klaud is life
I like the Acolyte! It has its flaws, but it has completely new characters and stories.
@@erikdaniels0n do you think Obi-Wan Kenobi, which I gave up on halfway through, and The Book of Boba Fett, which I enjoyed for what it is was since I’ve never finished any of the animated shows, should’ve been movies? Because it seems like Disney has been making things complicated for their franchises to tell their stories because they need Disney+ content.
@@AJ-xc4qe I honestly feel like we didn’t need either. We’ve already seen a decent amount of both of those characters, and I didn’t think either of them needed a solo project necessarily. It js felt greedy to me.
I’ve really been loving the Acolyte, despite its flaws, it’s been a fun show, and the character dynamics are very interesting, I think they killed off one too many characters in the forest, since our cast was already decently small, but hopefully the finale will be good. (I haven’t watched it yet)
@@AJ-xc4qeyes, especially after reading about the plans for the original Obi-Wan trilogy of movies
I think the Acolyte is not that bad. It's enjoyable for me to watch, although I know it's very flawed. It is much better than some of the other stuff Disney has churned out recently, so it's a win in my books.
i have not and will not care abt star wars ever in my entire life but i watched this video becasue its long 😍
I always enjoy your videos Kayla! I also enjoyed this approach to making a video about someething you both like, and i think it was sweet to hear how you guys talk to one another and bounce off each other. Great video all around!
Also a huge star wars fan since I was a kid, thoroughly enjoyed this analysis of the new canon :)
Rose was the best new character of the new trilogy and the way they did her in ROS turned me off of Star Wars completely, especially with the meta knowledge of what KMT went through.
Loved this new format! Great video as usual! 💯
Love how y’all structured this video! I am a Sequels apologist but I respect the points that were made
Great video guys! And honestly, I'm kind of taken aback by how much it aligns with my own opinions on the recent output of this franchise. I've sort of come to terms with the state of Star Wars as a whole, I'd love for Disney to scale things back, perhaps take a break with this franchise, but I know they are going to keep churning out slop until the sun goes out and there's probably very little we can really do about it. I'm content to just like the stuff I like (e.g. The Last Jedi, Andor, The Mandalorian S1-2, most of the animated stuff, IDK The Acolyte was pretty cool) and let the rest of it fall to the wayside, while also doing my best to ignore the culture war BS merchants and their stupid and/or bigoted commentary.
im only two minutes in but the intro with the "turn off the flash you fucking moron" audio is fuckin stellar!!! Love your videos so much
condolences about being shown the star wars series in chornological order instead of when they were made 😅
I pretty much saw them as those VHS versions of the original trilogy with the Leonard Maltin intros, and then I saw the special editions of the original trilogy
and I think in my experience I kind of liked them all in different ways when I was younger. I think becasue I had access to both versions and one didn't negate the existence of the other and I could choose to go either way. I liked the Special Editions becasue I could see newer cool looking CGI at the time for the stuff that they weren't able to do when they originally filmed it. And if I wasn't in the mood for seeing that, I could just go to the original version. But from what I've come to learn that for other people they didn't have that choice and the original VHS cuts of the movie after they were released in the 90s weren't made avaialble anymore and it was only the special editions that were around as far as the dvd releases and all that. And I think that really stinks and was a shame that people didn't have a choice in cuts for later formats. I'm not sure if the original version cuts were made accessible years later on dvd or bluray, I haven't followed up on that since, mainly going off the feelings of my memories of what I saw from the original vhs cuts and some clips i've seen uploaded to CZcams that prove that I wasn't crazy and I saw the versions that I grew up with.
21:10 i wouldn’t say that’s 100% true ahsoka actually got a lot of hate in the first 2 seasons
I liked the overall level-headed nature of this video. It featured criticism in a way that said "It's Star Wars, it really shouldn't matter that much " which, as a pretty hardcore fan, I definitely agree with. The thing that also irks me about the trash reviews is that they predominantly focus on the Sequel Trilogy and the live-action streaming shows. Which, yes they are Disney's main focus, but they usually totally ignore all of the animated shows, comics, and novels that we've gotten that are exceptional as well.
The get woke go broke part is Disney DEI hires who didn't earn their positions to work on Disney projects.
I couldn’t get myself to watch the second episode of acolyte, I tried so hard but after the first episode I was surprised by how much it just didn’t feel like Star Wars at ALL
No one says "star wars is bad now because there are black people and women in it." What they say is that a major contributing factor for why nearly everything Lucasfilm has released under disney has been terrible is because the same strident, clumsy sociopolitical messaging that has characterized everything disney has done for the past six or eight years has also been prioritized in disney star wars; and to the true belivers in this sociopolitical messaging, it is, apparently, all a tv show, film, or any other media needs to have in it to qualify a well-made piece of entertainment that long-time fans ought to be embrace without hesitation; also, any criticisms of media that contains this sociopolitical messaging, though the complaints might ostensibly be about an illogical story, incoherent plot, inconsistent characterization, etc., are actually just racist homophobic misogyny from secretly racist homophobic misogynist star wars fans masquerading as legitimate criticisms of poorly made media. Now, some people might say that these sorts of strawman, ad hominem-type attacks against fans are just dishonest efforts by a multi-billion dollar corporation to deflect legitimate criticism away from their shitty shows and cynically use their own actors as shields for Lucasfilm executive's incompetence. But isn't that just what a secret nazi star wars fan would say? After all, star wars fans have always been racist homophobic misogynists, as evidenced by their longstanding rejection of Lando Calrissian, Mace Windu, Princesses Leia and Amidala, and of, course, C3P0. Everyone remembers how the character of Jar-Jar Binks was despised by the fans simply because he was voiced by a black actor, just as Darth Vader and voice actor James Earl Jones had been rejected by fans 30 years earlier. Jake Lloyd, of course, was subjected to attacks that were totally unfair for a child, because, um...star wars fans thought he might be gay or something? Well, whatever the reason, I'm sure it totally based his race, gender and/or sexual orientation. Most recently, fans rejoiced to see less women in star wars when Gina Carrano was very justly fired from her role on "The Mandalorian."
Hey, I know nothing about baseball but I like the way Brian talks about stuff 😂
19:38 you got exactly why I love watching all star wars
I like the star wars are so unhinged and terminally online that they review bombed a indie horror movie Acolytes (2008)
This was so fun! Yall did a great job
The growling "elephant in the room" is instantly iconic!
awesome analysis
I wanna see more collabs about nerd shit 🤣 yes!
Really enjoyed the collab! Not that it's news or any sort of surprise, but y'all have great chemistry.
The great thing about the ashoka show is that its even worse if youve seen TCW and Rebels 🥰
Who is the more fool? The fool, or the fool that follows the fool? Like, share, subscribe…denied.
honestly, in a fandom that won't shut the hell up about how women and pocs ruined their franchise, hearing a woman's level-headed critiques of why this franchise is actually so tiring now is very refreshing.
i would actually go as far to say the opposite is true of what the culture war mob is saying. like you said, star wars CONSISTENTLY fails its poc characters by not giving them interesting/satisfying arcs or pretending they don't exist when fans are bigoted towards them. even the white leading ladies of the franchise such as rey are made two-dimensional by the final movie by making her a palpatine and miraculously giving her the ability to heal mortal wounds as a desperate last plea to get fans to warm to her.
to those saying "that's just a female power fantasy" all THREE of the sequel trilogy movies were written by dudes! in this case it's not actually women and pocs ruining this franchise just by existing; it's the lack of care towards these characters and ALL characters and stories in this franchise that actually hurt it in the long run. i really liked rey in those first two movies, and to see them just give up on her as well as everyone in the trilogy hurt me sooo bad.
the weirdest part is that's not even that new for star wars to fail here, and i don't see critiques of the explanation for our beloved queen and girlboss padme's death. apparently she "died of a broken heart" and totally not because of complications in birth right after being force choked. she insists anakin still has good at him, but supposedly doesn't have the will to live to see if she's right or to look after what should ultimately be her (i'm so sorry for this pun) new hope for living; her children. but you're right star wars fans, the original movies were totally perfect with their portrayals of women and the new movies are woke garbage because there's pocs being done dirty instead of only briefly appearing (mace windu) in your galaxy far far away.
sorry for this long-ass comment i apparently had a lot to say on this franchise i've grown mostly apathetic towards. would love to see actual pocs and women's takes on poc and female representation if this pasty white enby got anything wrong.
edit: i DID admittedly forget about lando, he is cool and important in the original trilogy. even if he is the only black guy there he DOES have an arc where so many other pocs get nothing or are mostly in the background despite being cool and respected. here's hoping we eventually get a woman of colour in this franchise that people can get behind, because all of them have either had racist attacks on them or their characters have elicited a bit of a "meh" if it isn't that.
I dont think a lot of people liked the explanation for padme's death anyways but i could be wrong about that. also, are we gonna forget about lando's whole arc in ep5 and his role in 6? and how leia was a badass through and through? and mace windu, while appearing briefly in the PT, was still a character with significance and dignity. i agree that they have been fumbling representation in SW for a while tho.
@@sawcrab2249 ok true those characters are all baddies and i apologise for the lando erasure i actually deadass forgot how important he is. and true mace windu was involved in a pretty significant fight with palpatine tbf.
leia IS a baddie but i still hate how there was some convoluted reason why she couldn't be a jedi in the end, like just let her be cool?? maybe it was to differentiate her and luke a bit idk, either way LOVE leia, definitely the best woman the franchise has in the movies.
@@Hello_Sidney153 fr leia rocks.
is ur point abt her not being able to be a jedi in the end directed at ROTJ or at the fact that Luke got trained and not her? With ROTJ its like they had no time to train her lol there were other things to do, but I don't see why she couldntve been told of her lineage and instructed in the ways of the force the same way luke was. My reasons r: probably so they had a backup in case luke failed, probably because luke was being looked over by obi wan and therefore in closer proximity to the jedi and just more convenient to train, he couldve been stronger in the force than her and therefore more viable, but only one of these is really supported by the movies and that's the second one.
Great episode as always Kaya
I fucking LOVE this channel. Jojo siwa one video, star wars the next
A very solid video and it was cool of your boyfriend to pitch in with this video, he made a lot of points I agreed with especially when discussing Mando S3, Ahsoka and the Acolyte
Some Fandoms are such cults nowadays and being super into Star Wars is a red flag for me sure I like it too but too many ppl I’ve met too into it has turned me off to not wanting to be friendship or romantically interested
the new jeans right now instrumental bgm was so distracting 🤣not in a bad way tho
Love the video! Great points throughout and I'm also a huge Andor fan myself. I wanted to give some thoughts on some of the stuff said about the sequels (obviously). I had some thoughts on Luke but they were too much so I've put it in a reply 💀
I gotta disagree with you when it comes to mystifying the force, the point about making older characters more interesting, the point about Holdo and the idea that the directors disagree, which are ultimately small parts of the video but these things matter to me.
The force was and always has been quite a mystery. We know it allows for powers but we aren't quite sure how it does the things we see it do, where the force comes from, why it has a will, among other things about it. What *was* established in the originals was that certain people could use the force, along with the fact that you could be stronger or weaker in the force than another force user. What was also established was that lineage had a great deal to do with force-sensitivity, or else Luke being Vader's son and Leia his sister wouldn't mean anything. The prequels introduced that the Force had a will, that it could create life in a VERY SPECIFIC CIRCUMSTANCE, and exactly how sensitivity to the force is measured, but not that it was a bloodline thing. The force was always and always will be a bloodline thing.
The OT characters are criminally under utilised in TLJ (and TFA but that would require a greek epic to get into). Leia gets barely anything except that she's mad at Poe for something that really isn't justified and that she can force pull herself back to a ship (which I don't have too much of a problem with, more the fact that she 1. survived that long 2. wasn't KILOMETERS away by that point). Chewie gets to be an Uber driver and plays with porgs. What an amazing use of the character. Lando is absent (i wont accept TROS' explanation as a defence bc Rian could do anything and decided not to bring in Lando, instead he has the horny little orange alien and Admiral hair dye). Also they kill Admiral Ackbar just because why not. Couldn't have had him fulfill Holdo's role as the relieving general!!! Han is dead at this point but his death isn't acknowledged by like any of the OT heroes. Wedge is missing. You could argue "oh they're off doing other things" or "why do they matter so much, do you want EVERYONE back?", but my point is that Rian could have done ANYTHING and he decided to do NOTHING.
Holdo's behaviour was FAR MORE than a miscommunication and the reason she didn't tell anyone isn't explicitly stated in the film to my memory. Later on, Poe just wants to know that there IS a plan at all, telling him that there IS one doesn't endanger anybody.
Completely agree with the point that TLJ is horrid as a sequel to ANYTHING or the predecessor to a finale.
On the issue of the sequel trilogy and the opinion that the directors disagree with each other, i feel like nerdonymous made the most logically sound point. To summarise Apocrypha pt 2 for those who havent seen it (pls do): There was no plan, Rian Johnson didn't ruin the non-existent plan and nor did he ruin Abrams' film. The evidence is that the twist of Rey's parents being nobodies was engineered to be paved over (and therefore in my opinion, not very bold, Johnson himself said he didn't mind if JJ did exactly that, and he allowed for it by having the source of the information be unreliable (Kylo Ren)) and he didn't do anything significant with Snoke besides killing him and even then they could have just brought him back from the dead and we know they are willing because of Palpatine's return. He makes a strong case for TLJ being the way that it is due to it trying to preserve the mystery boxes. Actually, JJ thought TLJ was so good he wished he'd wrote it (before his spineless ass saw the backlash and walked back on that to help sell tickets). Overall, TLJ is "bold", but not in a good way. It boldly declares it knows Luke Skywalker, when it clearly doesn't, boldly declares it knows the lore but doesn't, boldly makes changes to what is possible without considering the consequences and so on. The risks it took weren't worth it and not praiseworthy. It's mostly a rehash of ESB and ROTJ respectively. This isn't the film you think it is.
The only older characters the film does anything with is Luke. I think the foundation for his change of heart is poor and unsupported by the original trilogy. Characters' changes of heart should be informed by previously established character traits and decisions and shouldn't come out of left field during a time period that gets glossed over. We are told by TFA and TLJ that Luke Skywalker, the man who, since the first film we ever saw him in, has made it his mission to help those in peril wherever and however he can, the man who left behind all his training and common sense only to fall right into a trap to save his friends, the man who was convinced that the embodiment of tyranny and violence in the galaxy could be saved purely based on the knowledge that he was once a good man, his father, a hero and great friend and who helped end the tyranny of the Empire, would fall to cowardice and mistrust of his own nephew. That level of conviction and dedication to your morals requires some life shattering event to take place in order to be shaken to the degree that we see in TFA and TLJ. We are told that Luke was afraid of Ben Solo turning to the dark side. The Luke that we have been shown would never resort to violence. In the face of the Emperor himself he discarded his weapon because he knew a Jedi was more than that. He knew that a Jedi is a kind, understanding, patient, loyal and unshakeably just. How does he go from that to deciding that murdering his own nephew to prevent his fall as the FIRST course of action? An innocent child is less worthy of redemption than Darth Vader yeah? I don't buy it.
Great video as always ❤
As a female star wars fan, I agree with most of your points especially with what happened with Kelly Marie Tran. I just want to add to the conversation by saying a good majority of the star wars community is totally fine with gay characters, the POC characters and new additions to the story. The real thing we're mad about is that we want these shows to be written well instead of rotting our brains with plot armor that makes no sense. The Acolyte for example failed because it presented new ideas that could have been genius if they cared enough to make those ideas make sense. Disney Star wars needs to listen to the fans with valid arguments for once because they shouldn't expect us to be grateful we got something every time they announce a project and/or poke fun at us on the internet saying we're all toxic when some of us are not even that cruel. It's a slap in the face to the people that made this franchise what it is.
i hope Disney scales back like the MCU did. Loved this video and the format. Well done, guys!
the way idgaf about stars wars but I'll watch lmao
your statement at 23:55 is so incredibly spot on!!!
It's so funny how many people *cough* white men *cough* love to crap on the new trilogy and praise the prequels nowadays, but ESPECIALLY when Force Awakens came out, everyone was hyped asf and didn't give a shit about the prequels.
And yes, The Last Jedi is good.
You had me at first but absolutely not, the last Jedi is hot garbage.
I mean, the prequels were bad, so yeah, people were hyped about the sequels.... because we hoped they would be good, that they would wash the bad taste from the prequels out of our mouths. Oops!
Don't get me wrong, the prequels are still fucking TERRIBLE; they're every bit as bad as the sequels. I think the reason people retroactively praise them vs the sequels is that, while they were equally bad in execution, the prequels at least had one coherent concept. A world exists where the prequels were good; no world exists where the prequels, made piecemeal with no coherence movie-to-movie in approach, theme, writer, or director, were satisfying.
I’ve been getting back into SW after leaving the fandom in 2021 and when I tell you that I’m having my life only interacting with Old Republic content
I've never had something I truly loved growing up be completely destroyed and made me hate it as much as Star Wars... I'm 39. I was there watching old vhs HBO taped recordings in the early 90's before the special editions. I even watched the prequels which looking back now, are just ok. But man Disney really didn't know how to take care of this franchise. They just killed it all.
I love the duet style video it was really fun!