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  • @thebradleysoncatbirdhill6849

    Neill:
    Thank you so much for taking the time to review my video and provide me with awesome information and help! You certainly have cleared up a lot of issues, and now I think I know the direction I want to go. I feel that after I continue to watch more of these videos, I should be able to earn a degree from Neil's Kubota College of Tractors and Implements! Thanks again, and I will be up to see you soon. 👏👏👏

    • @MessicksEquip
      @MessicksEquip  Před 3 lety +4

      My pleasure!

    • @wildbill23c
      @wildbill23c Před 3 lety +3

      You had a very useful question that I feel Neil answered extremely well. Neil brought up points I wouldn't have thought of, like getting a used skidsteer, would never have thought about one of those, I have always thought a regular tractor with front end loader would outlift a skidsteer, but I guess looks are quite deceiving given a skidsteer is more compact than an L-Series tractor I figured the L-Series would lift much more.

    • @peteodonnell3765
      @peteodonnell3765 Před 3 lety +10

      Looks are deceiving, skid steer weighs 3 times the amount of an L and has way more hydraulic capacity.

    • @neilramseyer5348
      @neilramseyer5348 Před 3 lety +1

      @@wildbill23c our l3400 won't lift or dig nearly 1/4 of what our cat 242 skid steer will. Neil mentioned it before about point of lift and weight. Skid steer very low. A tractor with fel is a lot higher so no pushing and lifting compared to skid steer

    • @Ves42
      @Ves42 Před 3 lety +2

      I bought an L2501 specifically to lift heavy logs onto a mill, I could not be happier with the performance, even surpassed my expectations.

  • @MSchutz
    @MSchutz Před měsícem

    Sorry I didn’t see this when it first came out. I live in the Pacific Northwest and have a BX23S. My first major addition was a Wallenstein FX40 logging winch that runs off of the PTO. A neighbor dropped several large cedars with the intention of bringing these up to his property and sawing into planks. Typically, the logs were 20-40 feet long and up to 3 ‘ at the butt. Most were down at the bottom of a fairly steep ravine.
    The BX and logging winch had no problem dragging the logs up to where the mill was set up. With this mill, it wasn’t necessary to lift the log onto the mill, you only had to get it positioned on the loader and it did the rest of the heavy lifting.
    John, I think you would find a logging winch on your Kubota would serve you well in your milling endeavor.
    And Neil, as exceptional as your videos always are, I found the one you did on a logging winch did not do justice to that piece of equipment.

  • @t-bone6467
    @t-bone6467 Před 3 lety +18

    That was a comprehensive and objective response to the question. Well thought out and communicated. Good job.

  • @mxadema
    @mxadema Před 3 lety +14

    i would go for a skid steer. just for the extra versatility. and keep your current tractor setup

  • @DANG--
    @DANG-- Před 3 lety +13

    Third Option; (i know this dose not help Neil sell tractors) Spend the money you would use on a bigger tractor or skid steer and upgrade to a hydraulic log arm on the saw mill, roll the logs with the BX right onto the hydraulic log arm. If you want to save money then just buy the loading ramps and wench for the sawmill. I use a Bx25 all the time to load 3000 pound oak logs. Use your BX23 to ROLL the logs into position in front of the ramps, attach you wench for safety, then ROLL the log up the ramps onto the mill.

    • @je9732
      @je9732 Před 3 lety +4

      My thoughts exactly. I have a 1860 and a 23 both bx will lift a 4×5 round bale to truck bed height. That's 800-1200lbs depending on moisture content and tightness of the bale. Ramps and keep what you got is my suggestion. Way cheaper and won't damage turf. That's why I load with my bx instead of my 70 hp

  • @Freakingstang
    @Freakingstang Před 3 lety +2

    Hey john, I have a bx2330. Basically your machine without the high flow pump for the backhoe. Had it for 15 years. Debated on selling it and getting a larger tractor, but don’t have a real use for a large tractor with my small amount of property. I too used to mow with my bx until I bought a zero turn. So I kept my tractor for mowing ditchlines. I bought a used skid steer. I use it for loading logs on the mill, and using it for moving ibc totes full of green hardwoods. I bought an ancient new holland and rebuilt it over the winter for about 5k investment. I don’t use it for a day job, so 20-40k for a secondary machine wasn’t in a realistic budget. I couldn’t be happier. Sure, I’d love a newer fancier one, but it works well for my needs. A tracked machine is better for turf, but suck on ice imo. Skid steers will tear up grass If you make hard turns. They aren’t bad if you use common sense. Any area around the mill is going to be torn up no matter what piece of equipment you choose.

  • @ironmatic1
    @ironmatic1 Před 3 lety +6

    I’ve seen a few turn-of-the-century L-series tractors with loaders for around 10k at Kubota dealers. Buying a garden tractor for as much as a new small car baffles me.
    Get an old L-series, get a zero-turn mower with serviceable transmissions and a Kawasaki engine, and rent a mini excavator when you need one. (the smallest mini excavator has more capability than a BX backhoe)

  • @realmoronosity5956
    @realmoronosity5956 Před 3 lety +17

    I agree with Neil for the most part but a grapple is not necessary, even though it is handy. A set of forks work great with sawmills because you can carry the log to the sawmill and then stack all of the scrap or lumber onto the forks to move it away. A grapple will work too but the tines will get in the way. Love the vids!

    • @prjndigo
      @prjndigo Před 3 lety +3

      I'll have to state that there ARE actually *other* tools for logs than the welded brush grapple. BRUSH GRAPPLE. Things like two-jaw swivel grapples, "log lifter" and such. I'd strongly suggest ATI's LG-200 for small scale shifting and repositioning. You can also get a swivel-claw for forklift kits.
      So the concept of front-loader grapples is actually the wrong solution to begin with when working with single logs. A beefy little mini-excavator with a log claw and widened tracks sounds far better to me.
      A front loader simply isn't designed for the side-to-side and torsion that handling logs can force upon it. Front loaders most certainly are not hammers.

  • @Mcseverythingoutdoors
    @Mcseverythingoutdoors Před 3 lety +1

    Just sold my 2350. Was a greater reliable machine. Very powerful and versatile. Pulled 40 foot logs from woods weighing 10xs the machine. Only weakness was traction, ground clearance and crappy dealer service from Bentley Kubota in NY.

  • @2k7duramax
    @2k7duramax Před 3 lety +16

    What about possibly looking into a small wheel loader? They tend to lift more than a tractor of comparable size and don't tear up the ground like a skid steer.

  • @blessedandhappy3921
    @blessedandhappy3921 Před 3 lety +1

    Great question and great advice! Good job Neil.

  • @PurpleCollarLife
    @PurpleCollarLife Před 3 lety +2

    Great question, and great answer! I enjoyed watching this video.

  • @mrdfarms9373
    @mrdfarms9373 Před 3 lety

    Good deal Neil, you did an excellent job explaining the equipment options.

  • @DC9Douglas
    @DC9Douglas Před 3 lety +4

    All wheel steer loader is what this guy needs. First thing that comes to mind is an A300 Bobcat

  • @shawndickmann8215
    @shawndickmann8215 Před 3 lety +4

    Just bought my Bx23S 2 hours ago 👍👍👍😃

  • @DingDangKid
    @DingDangKid Před 3 lety +1

    Good question and advice! I've been through the same situation. I am using a L3800HST with forks first and more recently a grapple to move and manipulate logs onto my Norwood. There are times when the loader wasn't enough when handling large hardwoods. In the future, I will be upgrading to something with more lift capacity.

  • @benjybaldwin773
    @benjybaldwin773 Před 3 lety

    I myself have the l3301 with loaded tires. Got to say I am pleasantly pleased with the loader ability for the size of the tractor

  • @chiefjoseph8154
    @chiefjoseph8154 Před 2 lety

    I’ve had my Bx1800 since 2002. Flawless. Front loader, plow, tiller, York rake etc. couldn’t imagine life without it. Best investment I ever made. Would love new one with a cab though, cold winters suck.

  • @stephengmeiner3264
    @stephengmeiner3264 Před 3 lety +1

    Don’t forget the weight of a skid steer and what that will do to your lawn. After a few days of rain, it may be a week or two before you can drive everywhere to bring the logs to the mill area. I have a L3301 and love it. It’s a very capable machine.

  • @jenniferwhitewolf3784
    @jenniferwhitewolf3784 Před 3 lety +9

    Buy a used skid-steer with tracks for the logs. lay a fine gravel staging area for the log storage to mill work area. Consider forks over a grapple.

  • @davidparadis490
    @davidparadis490 Před 3 lety

    This was a great exchange of needs and options

  • @alanfryer6450
    @alanfryer6450 Před 3 lety

    Great answer!!!

  • @oldretireddude
    @oldretireddude Před 3 lety +6

    I'm not hearing anyone talk about manipulation of the milled lumbar. The trackloader/skid steer will handle these tasks better and in tighter spaces than any tractor. Running a larger milling operation is going to destroy the adjacent turf anyway.

  • @neilramseyer5348
    @neilramseyer5348 Před 3 lety +2

    Great input. If it was me in his situation with getting a zero turn mower. Sell the tractor and mower and get a bigger tractor with pallet forks. Way more versatile than a skid steer if dealing with small acreage

  • @derekdreke4990
    @derekdreke4990 Před 3 lety

    Best tool for the job Neil knows his stuff 👌

  • @Alex-uy7pc
    @Alex-uy7pc Před 3 lety +1

    I work at a cemetery, we only have one Bobcat machine cause they're the ONLY ones to have an all wheel steer/skid steer loader.
    Kubota sure would be doing thier dealers a huge favor by adding a all wheel steer skid steer to the line up.

  • @dukewarner8103
    @dukewarner8103 Před 3 lety +1

    Neil, You forgot to mention my piece of equipment....the small wheel loader! A little more expensive but pure functionality.

  • @gerryreimer9090
    @gerryreimer9090 Před 3 lety +2

    All your thinking makes my head hurt. love the video.

  • @lawrencebessette754
    @lawrencebessette754 Před 3 lety

    Neil you’re so Wright I have the l2501 and love it and I to use it to clear land pins 30” or so no problems and the other thing I feel the tractor would hold more value than a skid steer just my thoughts thanks for the info

  • @dannyraterman1754
    @dannyraterman1754 Před 3 lety

    Awesome!

  • @DonnieDarko727
    @DonnieDarko727 Před 3 lety +10

    Front end articulated loader!

    • @9020Productions
      @9020Productions Před 3 lety +3

      was wondering why he did not bring that up, but i see in the USA they use skids for the tasks that we use compact loaders for in europe

    • @DonnieDarko727
      @DonnieDarko727 Před 3 lety

      @@9020Productions I'm betting because he doesn't sell them!

    • @9020Productions
      @9020Productions Před 3 lety +2

      @@DonnieDarko727 kubota have them in their lineup

    • @patricelebrasseur5649
      @patricelebrasseur5649 Před 3 lety +2

      @@DonnieDarko727 he sells them in at least 3 brand, they are just not an American thing, in Canada you see a 50/50 purchase between skid steer and compact, in USA it seems to be 95/5

    • @ayeeeeewrc
      @ayeeeeewrc Před 3 lety

      Kubota makes 3 sizes, perfect!

  • @reggydunlop5770
    @reggydunlop5770 Před 3 lety +6

    He should just build a h beam frame with chainblock over his sawmill and roll them over to his chainblock.

  • @claudenormandeau9211
    @claudenormandeau9211 Před 3 lety +2

    Skidsteer will tear up your nice yard.

    • @hugostiglitz8465
      @hugostiglitz8465 Před 3 lety

      Claude- Exactly..he should get an articulated loader with forks and balloon style tires.

  • @geoffweinstock6846
    @geoffweinstock6846 Před 3 lety

    I use an L4701 with a Land Pride SGC1060 grapple and 600lbs on the 3 pt with tires opened to widest width to move similar size timber.

  • @KubotaMonsterBX23S
    @KubotaMonsterBX23S Před 3 lety

    Great video Neil.

  • @christophersoberg2627
    @christophersoberg2627 Před 3 lety

    As usual awesome answer

  • @jamespetrich5610
    @jamespetrich5610 Před 3 lety

    There is the option of a pallet fork 3 point. Lift high enought for a saw mill cuz that's what we do. Just probly need a little bit bigger tractor then sell the smaller one and get azero turn for the lawn cuz its way quicker and lower cost to run

  • @dylansadventures4696
    @dylansadventures4696 Před 3 lety

    I have an m7040 it is a great machine that will lift up to 2500lbs and works great

  • @DJC995
    @DJC995 Před 3 lety

    Interesting Video Thank's

  • @daved7024
    @daved7024 Před 3 lety

    You will find speaking from experience keep the BX and go with an L series with hydro and go with all the ponnies you can afford. I promise you will NOT regret getting a more horsepower machine it takes a lot to run the hydro unit. Go with an EA wicked Grapple for picking up logs. Thanks Neil 😊 👍😁

  • @450rmaniac
    @450rmaniac Před 3 lety

    So my old 773 with 85xx hours has been a diamond in the ruff for me. It has only given me minor hiccups (hoses, batteries, a front window). My dad bought it new in 97 and used it for his snow removal business until 2010. He retired and I bought this unit from him with roughly 6k hours. It still has the original paint and wheels on it. It looks like it has 1k on it. My dad was and is always meticulous with his stuff and I have to say I am the same. The motor is starting to show signs of high hours but I have a fresh build waiting to go in. If you know the machine and it was treated right, hours is the last thing I would be concerned with. I have seen a lot of machines with less than 3k that I wouldn’t sell to anyone. Just my $.02. I have to be honest as well... I have a Grand L 5740 that was mine since new. It’s my yard and field machine and is capable of lifting the same weight as the skid loader. I am very fortunate to have both worlds but I would definitely use a skid loader for this application.

  • @mesanders1113
    @mesanders1113 Před 3 lety +5

    I don't think a L2501 will lift much more than 1600lbs that's about where mine maxes out at. Grapples add lots of weight I can lift far larger logs with my small pallet forks than when I had a 60inch grapple.

  • @mitchellkasdin1899
    @mitchellkasdin1899 Před 3 lety

    You asked the chicken and egg question. How much money do you want to throw at this? A nice step up is a compact tractor, running $10k (?) used to $40k new and then the band saw mill anywhere from $5k -$20k depending on the bells and whistles? I would be tempted to put forks on your Bota BX23 and as Neil suggested once the weight is closer to the arms you could lift more and if the sawmill sits on the ground (WoodMizer LT-15) you only need to lift it 6-12” off the ground? If your average logs were 20” -26” ( sub 2,000 lbs )you could figure out different ways to make a single cut through or above the pith to reduce the weight. If you are going for quarter sawn, rift cuts and Vertical grain then with a few chainsaw cuts you could reduce the mass and weight of the logs effectively rendering cants. If you’ve squared off the logs with a chainsaw you could hire someone to cut the wood for you. Then you don’t need to make an initial investment. Google “sawyer” or search on Craigslist sawyer to mill your wood at $75 per hour. I would look at Norwood, woodland mills, WoodMizer, Chinese (harbor) freight company, etc. some of them make tracks that sit on the ground. On the trailered beds you can have a log ramp to drag them onto the tracks either mechanically, like your loading a boat onto a trailer or an electric winch. I’ve also seen small two wheel dollies that lift the front of a 26” log and you drag the rear of the log, from forest to paddock. Look on the forestry forums to get an idea of what people are using? for a very-small operation, hobby mill for profit, I’m thinking at least a compact mid 30hp machine, if your cutting wood a few times a month. If your just cutting thick 12/4 slabs stay with the chainsaw mill and cut in place. To sum up - I was planning on buying a WoodMizer LT, I drove up to Sheridan, CA to WoodMizer’s California location... they run a full time sawmill, fourth generation. They had some really large Douglas Firs and Redwood logs etc stacked everywhere and another large location on the rear of the property where all the cutoffs were. There were huge piles after piles of rotting tree debris. After watching them work for the better part of a half day I decided it was too much back breaking, physical work for one person. It’s also dangerous work. Now that lumber is more expensive it makes a practical business case to mill your own lumber. You can watch the the CZcams channels on sawmills with the nice music playing in the background, but what they don’t show you is the time money and effort to fetch the logs and turn the lumber into dollars.... you also need to consider air drying vs Kiln drying, storage, etc. lastly if you like the idea and get satisfaction driving a larger tractor 🚜 upgrade the tractor, otherwise the mill is the operation that you will derive enjoyment and the tractor is a means to the end. I think we just scratched the surface here. Try the forks first or a mechanical thumb on the rear bucket with a third function valve? Too many variables, it’s like using a Toyota Prius to fix a house, can it be done, sure, but nothing like the right tools for the job - but then there’s the capital investment (budget) that throws a monkey wrench into the reality of “wants and needs”

  • @drewnewman207
    @drewnewman207 Před 3 lety

    It will help you a lot

  • @zdeere2003
    @zdeere2003 Před 3 lety +1

    Neil can you do a video on how to get into doing hay and the equipment and go over the prices of the equipment new and used
    Like how much pto hp, hay mower type, baler type all that??? Thanks

  • @gordonborsboom7460
    @gordonborsboom7460 Před 3 lety +1

    What about an articulating tractor? You did a video about using one on your business property over a skid steer. An older used one can be found with some searching and they have a simmilar lift capacity to a skid steer

  • @nickboland4720
    @nickboland4720 Před 3 lety

    Sure wish someone near me had the selection you have there

  • @tominsc9909
    @tominsc9909 Před 3 lety +1

    With a 3 pt boom pole and a pair of log tongs you can just lift one end of the log and drag it. Build some sort of lifting mechanism on the sawmill and you're set.

  • @jimg8218
    @jimg8218 Před 3 lety

    Nice information

  • @Ron-ds2ob
    @Ron-ds2ob Před 3 lety +2

    John, If you shim your pressure relief valve on your BX, it will increase your lifting capacity. There are a few You Tube videos out there on the do's and don'ts on how to do it. It won't get you up to lifting the big logs, but it will help.

  • @nickeckemoff7631
    @nickeckemoff7631 Před 2 lety

    My l3301 will lift around 2k logs off the ground no problem. I got backhoe for ballast and the tractor weight/stability becomes the focus. I know it’s an old video, but just saying that tractor would be more than capable for what the user is wanting. A 2k LB log is HUGE and you been a pretty big sawmill to cut it…24 inch x 16 foot or 36 inch x 12 foot pine log is doable. A common size of 18-20 inch wide pine log 12-16 feet would be easy as it’s around 1000 lb. If moving bigger than that or something like 30+ inch hardwood 12+ foot long, you’ll want to step up a tractor with 2x the capability (MX or L47 in the Kubota lineup) or at this point a skidsteer starts making more sense.

  • @jonathanmagic5633
    @jonathanmagic5633 Před 2 lety

    I have a 2018 BX23s and live on 5 acres absolutely love it however I'm finding it quite underwhelming pretty much in all areas including posthole digging, backhoe lift capacity when lifting out heavy stumps (also painfully slow), and have nearly rolled over a couple of times with off centre weight on the forks particularly if lifting anything heavy (300 - 400lbs) above a couple of feet off the ground (tyre pressures are key) and turning gets quite dangerous they topple over very easily on slopes as well, and I've been around tractors large and small all my life. Currently looking at an L series and a slasher.

  • @barelystablefarm7151
    @barelystablefarm7151 Před 3 lety

    Go on Craigslist or Facebook marketplace and find a older used Michigan loader or even a large loader backhoe. You can get a reliable machine for decent money. I guess it all boils down to how much money you’re willing to tie up lifting logs.

  • @chadbinette3201
    @chadbinette3201 Před rokem

    I have a grapple that bolts onto the bucket, it is far less expensive then buying a whole grapple and by myself with a couple 2x4s I can install the grapple in 10 minutes or so. ATI is the brand of the grapple and it is definitely rugged , I have a l3940 and have been able to lift 20ft telephone poles with it, dried poles but nonetheless. The also have cables that are made to sinch logs, don't know what they are called but I've found a couple at a local everything store he have in Maine called mardens. 3/4 inch cable, about 8-10 ft long and have a thing on it that slides along the cable and one end has a ball on it so you don't have to tie or loop anything together.

  • @MustangsTrainsMowers
    @MustangsTrainsMowers Před 3 lety

    Has any company took the idea of a skid steer and replaced the rear tires and wheels with two driven wheels and tires that steer 90 degrees each direction?
    For a small rural property in the snow belt if you are not doing a lot of digging and tree work I think that the best equipment combination would be a sub compact tractor and a ZTR with a flip up front deck like a Grasshopper or a Walker.

  • @KubotaBXathome
    @KubotaBXathome Před 3 lety +1

    Great video and agree with Neil. All things considered I would upscale the BX. I can’t due to my BX fitting where I need it.

    • @je9732
      @je9732 Před 3 lety

      I bought a bx for a specific job in the barn. Now it does everything I've lifted round bales and moved logs to mill them with the chainsaw mill. I would get ramps and keep the bx

    • @KubotaBXathome
      @KubotaBXathome Před 3 lety

      Might be a good option for him. I use forks to move wood around, lift is pretty good with a Messicks rating of 1039 at the pin, but he’s got some pretty heavy logs.

  • @benjybaldwin773
    @benjybaldwin773 Před 3 lety

    I wouldn't even consider a skid steer it would sit more than your backhoe.. and a set of pallet Forks would work just fine to move logs to a portable sawmill. Then you could use them to move the pile of lumber

  • @patricelebrasseur5649
    @patricelebrasseur5649 Před 3 lety +3

    If I were you, I would keep the bx and get a log loader on a trailer for the price of a zero turn

    • @Fraggr92
      @Fraggr92 Před 2 lety

      We use a log loader trailer to manage our forest propery and they work great. I'll never go back to moving logs with the front loader if i can help it. Their only drawback is that they can be a bit of a hassle to hook up and take off your tractor with all the hydraulic hoses, and i'd probably recommend a tractor in at least the 40-60hp range if you want to run them effectively. It's not just about power it's about weight as well, and you want your tractor to be a bit bigger and heavier to be able to move full loads at reasonable speeds. Though you CAN certainly use them with smaller tractors if you have the patience for it.

  • @patdaugherty7978
    @patdaugherty7978 Před 3 lety

    I agree that in this situation that skidsteer added to BX is probably best option instead replacing the tractor and all attachments if it is serving you well. A skidsteer WILL tear the crap out of you turf. I can't believe this but I think for the first time I completely disagree with Neil about the grapple type. I love my landpride root grapple on my MX 5200 for handling logs. In my opinion the root grapple dexterity is far superior to a bucket grapple. I use a the bucket style on my bosses skidsteer on his property and I feel handicapped with it. It seems you are chasing the log around trying to piick it up. I have no problems with the root grapple, just pull up and grab the log and go. I move logs the size this gentleman has and larger. I wish I could attach a couple photos for an example. The root grapple works better for picking up brush piles as well. I still can't believe I found something to disagree with Neil about. Your videos are great Neil, highlight of Thursdays, keep them coming.

  • @sunshaker01
    @sunshaker01 Před 3 lety

    I'm a little late posting, there is a third option but it is beyond the viewer's question and might be a bit overkill for his application. A number of small sawmill, firewood processors and tree service companies use some kind of mini-excavator to move logs around, a good example of this on CZcams would be Cottontop3 and his Kubota KX057-4 Mini Excavator with a Rotobec mini pc grapple. The overkill bit is the price tag, but he can sure move logs when he needs to.

  • @owendodman3037
    @owendodman3037 Před 3 lety +1

    The more equipment you own the more options you have in your holster

  • @derekdreke4990
    @derekdreke4990 Před 3 lety +1

    Also being a good op makes a world of difference i can use a skiddy on a yard and not tear it up

  • @timoftheboat
    @timoftheboat Před 3 lety

    Genie Telehandler might be the trick to not tear up the yard but get the lift capacity.

  • @mr.redneck2715
    @mr.redneck2715 Před 3 lety

    Wherever you do keep that little bota!!

  • @bryanmccallum4614
    @bryanmccallum4614 Před 2 lety

    Best to lift with 3point hitch!

  • @Rprecision
    @Rprecision Před 3 lety

    Look at the frost grapple.
    Also, maybe rent a skid steer or tracked skid first.

  • @igortretsnom
    @igortretsnom Před 3 lety

    one of the best videos so far!

  • @jeremywilson1299
    @jeremywilson1299 Před 3 lety

    It takes a big big log to weigh 1000 lbs.
    I didn’t see any there to make 1000 lb log.
    I’d personally buy a set of pallet forks weigh a lot less than a bucket, take the bucket off, hook up the pallet forks, find what I thought was my heaviest log I had so far and get under it with forks n roll it back against the rack and see how it handles it up to the height I’d be lifting to my saw mill. I believe you will be far surprised with what logs that tractor will lift efficiently for your needs. Worse case you lift the rear a little, hook the the ballast box,
    We have one on a much older late 70s model tractor with loader that is full of concrete to counter the weight of the pallets of rock dust it unloads daily. I’m talking 3,000 lb plus of rock dust and the tractor does it flawlessly from heights off a flat bed tractor trailer.

  • @aluckyshot
    @aluckyshot Před 3 lety

    Always get more tractor if you can afford it. Love my BX23 but wouldn't turn down more machine.

  • @karl-egertdaskov6217
    @karl-egertdaskov6217 Před 3 lety +1

    i would recomend a mini loeader like multione or avant has these are very good at lifting logs and these have then tele boom that can be very helpful

    • @kdegraa
      @kdegraa Před 3 lety

      These machines are quite expensive compared to a tractor.

    • @karl-egertdaskov6217
      @karl-egertdaskov6217 Před 3 lety +1

      @@kdegraa not much about 15000-25000 Are the ones that Are BIG enough

    • @kdegraa
      @kdegraa Před 3 lety +1

      These machines cost a bit more in Australia. They are excellent machines for handling trees, especially the ones with telescopic booms,

  • @lowermichigan4437
    @lowermichigan4437 Před 3 lety +3

    Is there a possibility that you could let him demo a L2501 and see if he is comfortable lifting one of those logs?

  • @ritterjon
    @ritterjon Před 3 lety +1

    💥 Good advice, I was thinking 3301 and then you were standing by one. A skid steer would tear things up too much.
    *Keep on tractoring!*

    • @mesanders1113
      @mesanders1113 Před 3 lety +1

      3301 won't lift a 2500lb log even with ballast on the back it maxes out right around 1600lbs with the LA525

  • @paullund9386
    @paullund9386 Před 3 lety

    MX52... would be the ideal Tractor...

  • @thekid1924
    @thekid1924 Před 3 lety

    What about a kubota r530? And can you review these and show them?

  • @derekdreke4990
    @derekdreke4990 Před 9 měsíci

    I'd find a cheap older or refurbished skid steer you would really be set

  • @fmixthings
    @fmixthings Před 2 lety

    I bought a new tractor, LS MT225s, and had the dealer install a 3rd function so i could use a grapple to move logs around. If works fantastic but the curl function drools noticeably even with no load in the grapple. I mentioned it at the 50hr check up and the dealer said they put 700lbs on the loader and it didn't drop at all for 30min..... what can I check to fix this? The curl droop is so bad I can see it happen right in front of me.

  • @rtlake
    @rtlake Před 3 lety +3

    Skid steer is nice but no three point hitch or pto

    • @jaxturner7288
      @jaxturner7288 Před 3 lety +2

      No there is not a three point or pto, because a hydraulic skid steer quick attach with high flow hydraulics are much more capable. Besides it’s faster to hook up and change implements, don’t even leave the seat. Who wants to hook up a pto? Not me.

    • @rtlake
      @rtlake Před 3 lety

      I seen that he has three point hitch equipment in his garage.

    • @jaxturner7288
      @jaxturner7288 Před 3 lety

      rtlake oh right, if you already have a fleet of three point attachments, a pto drive is probably not an option anymore, it’s required.

  • @drich6816
    @drich6816 Před 3 lety +1

    What about a all terrain forklift

  • @brentjanssen140
    @brentjanssen140 Před 3 lety

    Wy dont you consider an compact wheel loader like an gaint or avant

  • @markloomis1415
    @markloomis1415 Před 3 lety +1

    Keep the bx and get an MX 5400 with a grapple if you want to lift 2500 lbs!

    • @hugostiglitz8465
      @hugostiglitz8465 Před 3 lety

      Mark- I was thinking small construction articulated wheel loader with forks.

    • @markloomis1415
      @markloomis1415 Před 3 lety

      An MX Kubota is a lot more versatile than a wheel loader which is only good for one thing. The tractor can handle loader work with a bucket and grapple plus hundreds of different 3 point attachments!

    • @hugostiglitz8465
      @hugostiglitz8465 Před 3 lety

      @@markloomis1415- I thought he was keeping the bx and was looking for something to pickup those heavy logs.A used wheel loader could be picked up at an affordable price.

  • @huffywig8638
    @huffywig8638 Před 3 lety

    Do you have any info for the ford 1120 or international 434

  • @organicvids
    @organicvids Před 3 lety

    Hey its george nory from coast to coast

  • @bombidude
    @bombidude Před 3 lety +1

    I would get a L2501 with pallet forks

  • @Primerk5
    @Primerk5 Před 3 lety

    Hey Neil, what do you think about the skid steer a that have the AWS option. From a ground damage perspective they seemed to a better idea rather from a steering perspective. From ground compaction it would probably be the same though. Just wondering about your opinion on that, and are they reliable compared to a standard skid steer.

    • @ironmatic1
      @ironmatic1 Před 3 lety +1

      Compact articulated loader.

  • @RaysTrains
    @RaysTrains Před 3 lety

    Skid steer time.

  • @Shane75140
    @Shane75140 Před 3 lety

    What’s the largest Kubota with mmm 72” preferably with loader option that will lift with pallet forks approximately 1200 pounds from a height of 30” up to 40”?

  • @sryth1
    @sryth1 Před 3 lety

    Probably solved your problem already, but I’d look at getting a gantry crane on a track for your saw mill

  • @MDellen
    @MDellen Před 3 lety

    I really like Neil's videos and I love my L4701, but I don't quite agree with Neil's conclusion to simply upgrade to a standard L-series tractor for moving big logs. My L4701 can't comfortably lift 9'-long 24"-diameter logs with its grapple, especially not if they're still green or hardwood. Figure the grapple weighs 400-500 lbs, and the capacity of the loader is around 1,700 lbs at the pin. Neil says they can lift more than that, but that's not my experience. The L4701 has 8.4 gpm of hydraulic flow; the other standard L tractors have significantly less. You might be able to do what you want with a standard L and forks, which take up less of the loader's capacity, but some of those logs will exceed 1,700 lbs. The other curious thing is Neil's concern about turf grass around an area where logs are staged for milling. LIke the area around the mill itself, which will in short order be piled with sawdust and off cuts, the staging area is going to take a beating with either a tractor or a skid steer. I liked the idea of getting a track steer and maybe using forks to save on the cost of a grapple. That'll do the trick nicely. Either that, or a wheel loader or M-class Kubota tractor.

    • @nickeckemoff7631
      @nickeckemoff7631 Před 2 lety

      Doesn’t sound right…have you actually tried it? My l3301 can lift logs those size.

  • @robertjeffery6100
    @robertjeffery6100 Před rokem

    Keep the kubota get the skid steer it’s also safer

  • @The-t3z
    @The-t3z Před 3 lety

    Would a tractor not be the safer option for lifting logs?

  • @FishFind3000
    @FishFind3000 Před 3 lety +1

    I’d say your best odds are buying a used skid steer

  • @davidhosmer1424
    @davidhosmer1424 Před 3 lety

    Check out: outdoors with the Morgans on CZcams. Bx and a MX and a Woodmiser saw mill. Lately he is using a rented KX 080 for dirt work. WE know Neil will steer the customer in the right direction. Thanks and take care

  • @Mark_Nadams
    @Mark_Nadams Před 3 lety

    I ended up with a used BX1850 with a Curtis cab. I am very disappointed at all of it. I was told I could get a backhoe for it in the future. I later found out that option doesn't exist. I have a weight box that is useless. The front loader can't even lift its own weight, why would it ever need a counterweight box. It was then I realized I have a glorified hydraulic lawnmower without a deck. I can't even use the loader wrist to break out any rocks I can't lift by hand. I had to roll a rock by hand into the bucket and the bucket still couldn't lift it. I could hear the over pressure safety valve every time I tried. I ended up dragging the rock in the bucket across the lawn and unloading it by hand same as when I loaded it on just to get the rock out of the way. I will never buy another tractor with less than 30HP to run it. BX series is for mowing lawns and moving lightweight brush and mulch.

    • @MessicksEquip
      @MessicksEquip  Před 3 lety

      Sounds like you might have a mechanical problem there. You might want to get the loader hydraulics tested.
      Also, while you can't get a Kubota backhoe, woods does make one that fits.

    • @Mark_Nadams
      @Mark_Nadams Před 3 lety

      ​@@MessicksEquip Thanks for the advice. This is my first little SCUT after my old Ford 3400 TLB gave out. It is so small I figured it was weak by design. I'll test it out to see if I can make the FEL any stronger. I'll pick up a gauge and give it a pressure check to start with.
      - Do you guys sell a quick connect gauge that will fit the little BX1850 connectors? How about the valve spring or the shims if I need them?
      I should probably put things like these in my tractor tool box anyway, need them now or not. Pa always said "Ain't none of us gettin' any younger". That includes my baby-bota.
      I've heard hydraulic pressure can get low with age because of the spring tempering or the spring breaking. I think it is designed to be in the 1850-1900 psi range. I'll look it up in my BX1850 WSM to be sure. I think my Wife picked that manual up from your online shop.
      I shouldn't assume the dealer set that pressure when I bought it or during last service I had done.
      Thanks again for the help.

    • @MessicksEquip
      @MessicksEquip  Před 3 lety

      We don't sell the gauges, but do have the parts.

  • @SlackerU
    @SlackerU Před 3 lety +1

    Zero-turns are overrated where I'd rather just have a yard that's designed for simple mowing. I'd go B or Lx with a belly mower unless your zero-turn has a deck off the front of the machine. If there was a ramp to roll/slide the logs up on then I'd have full confidence my BX could push most logs up it, unless you're logging longer than 16foot pieces.

    • @spyder000069
      @spyder000069 Před 3 lety +1

      I've got 5 acres and there is no better way to handle it than a zero turn. It cut my mowing time in half. Maybe if I was retired and had nothing better to do then a standard mower would be ok but even with the zero its still 2.5 hours of mowing. The deck off the front is awkward. The zero can zip around trees and often means we don't have to use the trimmer as often. The logs in that video look pretty stout. Even if he could push them up a ramp he is probably doing enough of these that he just needs a different piece of equipment. A wheel loader or skid with a grapple would work well in the woods. He could load them on a hay wagon and pull that with his bx to the mill. Then maybe push them off the wagon with the bx onto the mill.

    • @SlackerU
      @SlackerU Před 3 lety +1

      @@spyder000069 I had a diesel Kubota Zero-turn & switched to spraying weed-killer or getting rid of tight turns instead of cutting them. There is no time to save if your yard isn't covered in time-stealing tasks. With either machine the less time I spend on the seat the better my back feels.

  • @cpasciuto
    @cpasciuto Před 3 lety

    Neil, I've been seeing a lot of chatter about BX's having a weak diff lock that breaks easily leaving owners with a mess to clean up. Any info/videos about this issue? Have you guys seen this problem?

    • @MessicksEquip
      @MessicksEquip  Před 3 lety +1

      I've seen it also, seems to be the same guy with an ax to grind. Not a common problem at all.

  • @joelcrmt
    @joelcrmt Před 3 lety

    Set of Pallet forks goes a long way in manipulating logs in my all be it limited experience :)

  • @ohhpaul7364
    @ohhpaul7364 Před 3 lety

    Neil, can you do a video about the goods and bad's of wheel spacers for the various sizes of Kubota tractors? I have an interest in putting some on a 2501 but I see many people talking about them on the forums for the B and BX series of tractors. How much is too much? How much will work? Are there better rim and tire options that may make the need for spacers obsolete? How much would those cost us?

  • @toddwolabaugh3235
    @toddwolabaugh3235 Před 3 lety

    If your looking to sell Im looking to buy,also in pa

  • @ke6bnl
    @ke6bnl Před 3 lety +1

    What about an offroad forklift

    • @ironmatic1
      @ironmatic1 Před 3 lety +1

      Good idea; an old forklift would hand a utility tractor it’s ass in terms of lift capacity. Our old forklift at the railroad museum is indispensable.

  • @joeyshofner639
    @joeyshofner639 Před 3 lety +1

    A set of forks would work better, and much cheaper.