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MAJOR UPGRADE!!! HydrosPlus Cylinders (Kubota BX Tractor Series)
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- čas přidán 12. 08. 2024
- #aritterbitwilldo #keepontractoring
These new hydraulic cylinders will be a game changer!
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More lift and height makes me feel tippy just sitting here. Be safe!
The height is nice and when loading my dump trailer I could sure use a few more added inches of lift. Just gotta be careful and know your tipping point.
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Very curious to see how the extra weight lift capacity is on the axle, tie rods, seals and bearings. I m no engineer, but I believe all machines are engineered in a way that takes into consideration it’s capabilities based on its engineered specifications. Hope it all works out well for you Jon. Be safe, and I can’t wait to see the results.
Without trying to sound snarky, this is why you are not an engineer. Engineers design parts, but production sets the costs and final specs. If everything was engineered to maximum benefit, equipment would last forever, but also cost five times as much. Compromise is the order of the day, and people like myself and Ritter and aftermarket parts manufacturers know to take the existing engineering into consideration BEFORE trying to market parts that would cause multiple failures. That isn't good business sense either.
@@ya472 Well, that’s why I mentioned the engineered specs I thought you would have to work within those limits. But like we both said I’m no engineer lol. I really hope it works fine for everyone, I guess we’ll just have to wait and see.
@@rickpacheco8864 Its fine until things start bending and breaking, which they will. You can increase the lift capacity hydraulically, but that don't make the loader more capable in the steel department...things will bend, break, leak, and fail, might not be today, or tomorrow, but it'll eventually happen...the front axle comes to mind...as does the already struggling hydraulic system....with my BX2680, if I'm running the loader with heavier materials in the bucket, the power steering is already non-existent...add larger lift cylinders to the loader arms, and you take more hydraulic flow from the power steering, may as well have manual steering at that point.
Eventually they'll experience a failure, and they'll blame Kubota rather than the modifications they did outside the specs of the machine. Cool you can lift 30% more, but the tractor still weighs the same, the loader is still built with the lower working load specifications, something will bend, break, and at some point somebody is gonna get hurt.
@@wildbill23c Yeah I understand what you’re. I wasn’t trying to bash anyone, I’m just very curious to see the immediate, and long term results. Thanks.
I been in contact with a few people who have their relief valve shim to 2200 and haven't had any issues. I don't think I want to push it that far but adding the larger cylinders can specify where I want the added power. If I break something I guess we all learn. I'm confidently cautious.
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how did you get the end hose on? I am working on it right now.
Is there a coupon code to save a few bucks?
Is there a discount code for hydros plus ????
Good Evening Sir, I can see why you are so UP SPIRIT SIR 👌😇👍Cheers 🍻🍻
We've got big things happening here. I can't wait to test them out. Thanks for watching and commenting Dave!
Keep on tractoring my friend!
This is impressive, definitely would do this vs upgrading to a larger model.
Yes, I like the size of the BX. Its ability to get into tight area is my favorite feature.
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You’ll be fine with the cylinders. They only slow down the lift time minimal. I put them on my bx23s months ago an haven’t had any issues. I’m not easy on my machine either. Made a post on several of the Kubota pages on facebook. I went from 71.5” at the bucket pin to 82”. It does move the front of the bucket back towards the machine 12”. I can still load my dump trailer though.
That's good to hear and exactly what I am expecting. Can't wait to try them out. Good to hear from someone who has used them. Did you shim your relief valve also?
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I have a bx 24- and my tractor lifted -12-60 lb bags of reddy mix concrete, running at about 1850 lb of pressure. It only lifted about 2 ft off the ground& that was it. I dont think i would go over 2000 lbs pressure for a load of reasons. Mostly safety.
It looks like you will loose on the down pressure on bucket when digging as the cylinder is fully retracted when sitting level.
That's what I was thinking.
At the 4:00 minute mark, you will see the length of the shiny rod is almost equivalent to the difference in pin length, so there should be no change to the down-TRAVEL, not the down-force. The down force will be stronger with the increased cylinder size, just as it will increase during lift. During lift however, the hydraulic lift pressure is much higher, as the hydraulic pressure is acting on the complete surface of the piston, whereas the down force is less than the up force, because there is no acting pressure on the center of the piston, occupied by the shaft.
It's supposed to be the same so I guess we'll see. I'll test that as well.
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Jon always assume to see you get excited because most of the time that spells 🪄 laughter from you 😮😊❤
This will definitely be the biggest upgrade I've made to the loader so yes I'm quite excited to see the results.
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Jon, will you please test cycle speed of the lift function as is, then compare it to the cycle speed with the new cylinders? Just curious of what the difference might be.
YES!! thanks for reminding me, I've still yet to do that. I'll get those times tested for both factory and the new HydrosPlus cylinders.
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Yeah it would be good to know the impact on lift speed. There is always a trade off. (Trade offs that may or may not matter to individual applications.)
Thanks Jon for the update. I'm looking forward to the next video.
Congrats and Drats! Congrats on getting more lift and a great video. Drats because I was waiting for you to buy a different tractor. Great fun watching you ….
Just wait until you guys get the larger pump. I love my Hydrosplus stuff on my 2025R
That Kevin knows how to find every advantage in these small tractors.
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I just wonder if your front axles can handle the load over the long haul?🤔
Also, you better be past the warranty if you are going to do a turbo. The manufacturer will not honor it, unless it is officially approved. To my knowledge, no manufacturer will recognize these turbo kits.
I am long past my warranty and willing to try out a few new methods to increase the capabilities.
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@ritterjon I know you and Tim are past the warranty. It's just that others with newer machines may not understand. I have even seen ads on new Steiners where they added a turbo to the 25hp Kubota diesel. It's NOT a bright idea.
I added an extra fitting as to not stretch the hose and added bushings to support the narrower eyelet. These things should have been included for the steep price
Will these cylinders fit The LA 243 front end loader on a BX 25D ?
That is a good question. I have no idea. 🤷♂️
I would think they’d fit but not certain. Contact Kevin at Hydros Plus.
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I am very interested in seeing the results! I have a farm fence that I could crest if I could lift over it! Thanks Jon
An added 12 inches of lift could be very helpful in some situations. I'm excited to try them out and I hope winter takes its time getting here.
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Can't wait to see this installed and tested. It looks like it will be a great addition. A little steep price, but we'll see. Thanks!
Apparently stock and standard hydraulic cylinders run between $300 - $600 each for this size, but these are Custom made for the BX, so $400 each is not unreasonable. In my opinion.
John, I’m really looking forward to the install and seeing what the outcome will be. Great video.!👍🏻
You and me both! Thanks for watching!
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So happy you're experimenting with this! Im curious as well for my BX 2680. Looking forward to your vids on it 😀
Thanks for watching, I can't wait to see what the results will be.
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Overall I’m quite happy with the BX23S for the work I have done so far.
The extra lift height of the rams is definitely of interest when loading into tippers. (Small dump trucks)
The only other real “wish” is a bit more hydraulic flow for multiple movements on the backhoe.
My “understanding” is more hydraulic flow won’t be as simple as the 1025R upgrades.
Hi there John. Loving the video as always but I have some concerns regarding the front axle and the amount of weight it can handle with the added hydraulic pressure. Bearings and seals can only handle so much before they pop.Good luck and please be safe. 😌
Shhh...let these people buying this stuff figure it out the hard...err...expensive way in repairs in the future when the lower quality parts start failing due to being over-loaded.
Read the Comments, and answers magically appear. 🙂
PLEASE explain how additional hydraulic lift will affect axle seals. There must be a good reason?
AND, please tell us about the compressive strength of ball bearings, because it seems to me, a full size excavator on a trailer would cause massive failure, if in comparison, 300 additional pounds of lift force will shatter BX wheel bearings.
@@ya472 with the added hydraulic pressure to lift the downward pressure on the axle is equal. If you blow a barring then you’ve got side force on your seals. And an oily mess. I really hope that this works because that extra lift would be greatly appreciated. Stay safe and have fun 😁
Kiss whatever is left on your warranty goodbye.
Hi Jon just put some newspapers down on floor to catch drips , & you’ll be all right. Haha really can’t wait to see how you make out. I think you will make out ok , most bx owners aren’t lifting on daily basis, just will have to be careful. Just waiting till your next episode comes out- haha 😂. Thanks Jon.
Thanks for watching. I find old amazon boxes make for great oil mats. LOL!
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What a tease
Nice! Should be a good upgrade
It should be very interesting! Appreciate your comments Hank!
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That looks promising!
Let’s hope so!
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Jon I think you might be a bit excited about this project! Lol keep it coming buddy, but keep the snow down there. I’m not ready for it yet. 😊🇨🇦👍🏼🚜
Yes, I'm very excited about installing these. Just hope to get a chance while the weather cooperates.
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From what I've seen and been a part of for 30 years, is when farm equipment is being engineered, it's not sold to the customer as a maxed out machine. It's designed to do more but the customer isn't told this or it will be back into the plant or the dealership for warranty every other month...lol....at our cost for parts and labour. doing this mod John I'm sure won't harm your tractor as long as you don't lend it out to the gravel pit down the road to load tri axle trucks with gravel. I'm sure by now you no your equipment's limitations. Stay safe and keep the camera rolling. I'm lookin forward to see how this works for you.
Awesome videos keep up the good work I have a half acre in Virginia I'm 62 years old with health issues I been thinking about getting a sub compact tractor to help with brush yard work wasn't sure what tractor until watching your videos. Kubota 23s is my choice with Curtis premium cab thank you have a great day Tom
Stupid rain!!!! Just when it got REALLY interesting!!!!! lol
That's what I had mentioned to you in the lifting video, that I was looking into getting a bigger cylinder and you had hinted at something coming down the pipes (see what I did??!) I guess we'll have to be held in suspense until the actual cylinder exchange. ☺
I know right!! I was so looking forward to getting to try those cylinders out and I had one day to video, install and test. We'll get around to it. Just might take a little longer than I thought.
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Sounds great, have you looked at what your frontend suspension will support? I hope he will look at other manufacturers' modles with this idea. We all can use more lift and height.
Suspension? I assume you mean front axle and steering components? On most equipment, the original equipment is quite adequate, but since parts are man-made and assembled (even with robots), there can be failures. Often it is the owner's lack of knowledge and skill and time where maintenance is not done appropriately. Many operators wait until equipment fails, then blames the machine or the manufacturer. All parts of equipment should be INSPECTED thoroughly and regularly for impending failure, and have repairs done before there is catastrophic damage. But they don't.
That longer new cylinder will also result in LESS ability to lower the bucket below ground level. This will reduce ability to lift that front axle damaged from over-abuse from attempting to lift more than OEM design. (The addt’l lift capacity will also require more aft-ballast which will add stresses to the 3-point and the frame…. just something to think about.)
I actually measured the difference for lifting the axel off the ground and there was no change. I’m aware of the risks but will take precautions to remain safe.
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OK, it provides 35 % lift capacity, but at 1,100 lbs wait till you see what it does to your front axel, and power steering cylinder mounting bracket...they get sloppy fast. Too much front end loading. At a minimum you'd best ballast your tires with Rimguard, and wheel wieghts, plus add 300 lbs ballaat on 3 point hitch. I also recommend synthetic EP gear oil 75W -140 category.. Kubota Hydraulic oil synthetic in front axel will be too light to carry those bearing and gear loads. Try loading a full standard bucket heaping with 3/4 inch crushed Stone of Basalt and feel the strain on the front end steering. The hieght increase however is a huge help.
People who are concerned about front axle bearings and seals should consider that ONE SQUARE INCH of concrete has a compressive strength between 2,500 to 4,000 pounds. The BX weighs 2700 pounds total ! So if one was to consider math, one square inch of concrete can support the entire BX23s.
Good stuff jon 👏
Thanks, I'm really looking forward to getting them installed and tested out.
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If the lift height is increased with barrel, the down stroke will be less for same reason. Maybe doesn’t matter given curl will allow digging down, though with less of aggressive cut angle. Interesting to see if matters. Also, lift cycle time should be lowered with more cylinder volume. I would take that trade off for more load capacity.
So if you want to go below grade will that new longer barrel still allow you to run your loader below level?
According to HydrosPlus it is supposed to be the same. I’m not yet understanding how that works but we’ll find out.
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The retracted length is still the same. The cylinder rod is still the same length. The barrel is longer so the piston has greater travel ranger.
Great video. I guess the trade-off will be slower speed of loader movement. I wish you would have mentioned the cost, and I was wondering why Kubota doesn't have larger cylinders on from the factory, because lift capacity is one of the main selling points of a tractor. KEEP TRACTORING...
I wonder the same thing about Kubota. These cylinders right now are about $800 for both.
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Another thought, Kubota seems to have many models without a lot of separation. I’d expect this puts the BX into B territory.
As far as lift goes I think it’s gotta be close.
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Definitely interested in these for my BX. Currently shows they are on backorder tho :(
Hi Jon - installing that new set of cylinders is going to make a massive difference in the capability of your Kubota BX! I wonder if they'll make them for an old John Deere some day. :)
John Deere has higher lift capacity already, so no, I wouldn't think they'd need to make them for John Deere. The BX isn't exactly going to fare any better with larger cylinders either due to the weight of the tractor itself, you could put 3" hydraulic cylinders on the BX loader that would more than quadruple the lift capacity, but the tractor itself wasn't built to handle the weight of the added lift capacity. That front axle is already a struggle and so is the whole hydraulic system on the BX in stock form, you want loader functions, ok, fine, but you get no power steering when under load. Adding larger cylinders will compound the already known BX hydraulic issues.
Thanks Chad! I think it will be interesting to see what the numbers say.
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@@wildbill23c What hydraulic issues are you talking about? Of all the common things I have seen with the BX I have never heard or seen a hydraulic failure.
Thanks' I am still making payments. Maybe it's something to think about when I am done.
Thats how I felt as well. Now it's time to make some upgrade. Keep this upgrade in mind once you've paid it all off.
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Here come all the comments about how the loader will turn into a pretzel and your tractor will implode.
Probably 😂 🍿
@@projectswithjw I don’t know why kubota guys are like that. I watch tractor time with Tim and he mods the 1025r like crazy and most of the comments are positive. Do that to a kubota and it’s like everyone is a safety engineer.
Funny, I read quite a few of those. I love that so many people are concerned about my BX, they must love it more than me.
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What will that do to you're subframe Jon ? Be safe 😊
I’m not too concerned. I think it should be fine.
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Here comes a twist and bend to loader arms ( possible ) or something else?? Remember safety 😊
What are you planning on lifting? Let me know how you like it long term.😊
There is a famous saying , “ Just because you can , doesn’t mean you should. “ just saying for many reasons. I wanted a tractor with more capacity in many ways so I got me a new B-2601. No modifications needed. The last thing you need is flipping over your BX with that expensive cab. 😮 I laugh 😂 at people towing over 10K with a 1/2 ton pickup too! 😂 hence I have a F-350.
And another famous saying, "The manufacturer is covering their Warranty ass by reducing the demand on equipment parts." Hence, the aftermarket prospers, even for upgrade parts for your F-350.
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Useless video John. Was hoping you were doing an install and test video, this turned out to be nothing but an advertisement.
Building up the suspense. If it wasn't raining this would have been my opportunity to test it out. I hope to get a chance this week. Weather looks like it'll hold up.
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Hold on there teach…I feel my keyboard expertise needs to come out…
1) You do realize with these larger cylinders your lift speed will decrease dramatically? There’s no cheating physics. Remember you’re fill 2 cylinders not 1.
2) lift capacity increase. This can be detrimental. Not only do sub compact owners already ballast their machines to increase lift/stability, they unknowingly put extra stress on the front axle…specifically wheel bearings. Yeah these machines will all break front wheel bearings sometime in there life. It happens to all makes.
3) lift height. Yes and no. Be aware of the extra height and stability change.
How is the bucket dump angle when bucket is now a foot higher??
This has all been tested. And the cylinders are part of Hydrosplus's larger package that has increased flow. Check what he's done for us in the JD 1025/2025/2038 line.
@@minutemanmac ok…how does that help out the front axle? So now you need larger pump? Maybe hoses and filters? Bigger cooler to negate extra heat from moving more oil? Yeah there’s ways around physics but not as easily around warranties and liabilities.
Will be watching Jon for your improvements
@@minutemanmacdeere 1 series front axle is over capacity empty. Should be shipping seals and bearings with the upgrade kit.
I am aware of all those things. I know the speed will be affected but I don't think it will be too drastic not to make this upgrade. We'll see I guess.
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