DON'T BREATHE 2: Let's not Redeem the Turkey Baster Guy | Explained
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don’t breathe 2: we did not have a single woman in our focus group
No *single* women. There were women but they were all *taken.*
@@TayTayMakesBeats there was one but she was in the bathroom and we did the group while she was gone
It’s like they watched the trailer instead of the movie before they wrote the script
@Elisa Dickie There was one, but we put her in the basement with duct tape on her mouth. But we didn't touch her and she could leave when the movie was done, so all is well.
I wonder if the pitch meeting happened on Thanksgiving
If he wasn't a monster in the first film, this film would be fine. But the fact he kidnaps and rapes a woman, and then the writer expects us to sympathize with him is just insulting. If the first film was just an old man defending his home from intruders and he reveals his more brutal side, then I would be all for this movie.
Does he rape her? I guess in order to impregany her he would have to Penetrate her with the turkey baser so... I guess that's also rape since there's penatration involved
That's what I expected from the movie
I made my mom see it with me,I wanted a story about fucks who invade soldiers home and he brutally murders them,but no!
@@BabyGirlTiny it's a gross invasion of her bodily autonomy on the level of rape, it's fine to call it that in passing
@@BabyGirlTiny It definitely is r*pe. Doesn't matter with what you penetrate another person's body.
Yess! I just watched the first one last weekend...with my DAD. I told him "I think it's about these crooks that break into an old blind guy's house to rob him but it turns out he's a badass and kicks all their asses" and he said "oh that sounds good let's watch it!" ......did not expect the turn it took, which is admittedly a good twist but watching with my dad was a lil awk...
I forgot about the baster until l read your title and then l immediately dry heaved at the memory.
That's pretty much the only thing I remember about that movie.
@@snoopygonewilder I was about to say, how do you FORGET the turkey baster scene? 😂
Didn't the girl kill his daughter? Like hit and run
@@mochiisyum123 l must have blocked it out!
@@artifice4994 Ok, here's the summary: The woman he kidnapped, and held in his basement, Cindy, killed his daughter in a hit-and-run incident, but got away in court unscathed, and Nordstrom (The Blind Man/Stephen Lang) got 300 grand as a settlement. But since his daughter was his only happiness in life, he kidnapped her and impregnated her with a "replacement". When 2 of the 3 people who break into his house (To the steal the 300 grand.), find Cindy restrained in the basement, they free her, and try to escape. During the escape, Nordstrom inadvertedly shoots and kills her. Later, he manages to take down of the robbers, a girl named Rocky, and puts her in the same situation as Cindy, and tries to impregnate her by turkey baster. He gets knocked out by the other robber, and Rocky is freed and escapes.
"How do we redeem male characters without actually redeeming them?"
Hollywood: Give them a little girl to protect
I remember seeing the first movie and just thinking "man this guy apparently has like 300k but cant just find a willing woman to pay to carry his baby? Like thats a thing that people do."
In the first one Cindy was the woman who killed his daughter in a car accident so it was also about punishing her specifically because she “owed him a daughter” and he very obviously has issues with seeing women as people anyway 🤮
In real life women half his age are gonna hand him the viagra.and let his fine a$$ self get to the baby makin bizznezz.
He's a sadistic asshole he wouldnt do that.
Well... she was punishing that specific woman so...
@@ArlindoBuriti ...Man LITERALLY succumbs to his most horrible emotions and feelings and decides that women who accidentally killed his daughter ''owes him'', and apparently you think WOMEN think with feelings?
Wanting revenge is the ultimate form of thinking with feelings instead of minds.
I think the worst part about the old man's turkey baster thing is that he says something like "I never forced myself on her, I told her she could leave as soon as I got my daughter" which like.... coercion through kidnapping and violence is still rape my dude!! And the only reason he tries to use the turkey baster is because he didn't wanna wait to break rocky down!
that and i don't think they'd actually show such a thing happening to a woman in an actual movie so they used a turkey baster
Even the part about how she'd be allowed to leave after giving birth seemed like a lie considering he had a spot under the floor tiles to dispose of her corpse literally in the same basement she was locked in, which is why her body was never found. So rape, kidnapping and probable murder to top it all off. You can't make an anti-hero out of that
@@anickchose8114 oh shit, I forgot all about the vat of acid under the floor boards. Imagine the psychologcal horror of being raped, chained up, having a life literally growing inside and feeding off of your body, right next to the vat of acid that will disolve your body in a few short months, likely after a painful and traumatic birth without doctors or painkillers. Fuck, dude.
@@fantasyrose3903 oh there are are movies with some horribly brutal R word scenes. So it definitely wasn't bc they didn't want to or couldn't "show" it. I think it was a character choice - it was his way of making himself feel like he wasn't the "bad guy." When obviously he was, but he had to make himself feel that way, that what he was doing was just to get his daughter back or whatever.
Obviously that's not the reality, but a lot of horrible people do things so they can lie to themselves about being the good guy, or at least not being the "bad" guy.
@@doperagu8471 I agree with that a lot, I believe that people usually try to convince themselves what what are doing is righteous.
Almost nobody wakes up and goes "Time to be eViL today!!"
They really tried to turn turkey baster guy into a anti villain geriatric daredevil.
That guy single handedly ruined Thanksgiving
Still gonna watch. 😉🤣🤣🤣
"It's a low bar.""
It's a tripping hazard in Hell, that's what it is.
Lmao I'm using this now
And yet here you are, limbo dancing with the devil
Using that line
I know this is super late, but that was an amazing reply
"DON'T BREATHE 2: Let's not Redeem the Turkey Baster Guy". Yes. This is correct. Or, to quote Dead Meat: "I am not a rapist." "Yeah you are, brah!"
I love dead meat!
@@Oliviagarry69420 ok, i dont think i get can through this video talking about a r*pist, so let me ask, did she watch the movie? Because from this secret trailer promotional thing, and even the ig trailer, it looks like they ARENT trying to redeem him, at all, and this is a movie from the villains side.
@@Aisha_Luv Amanda makes points in the video about it
I don't understand this "need" to redeem a character that was irredeemable. I thought a part of the effectiveness in the first movie was the twist in the "you thought you were rooting for an innocent old man, but here's something you didn't know about him" thing.Trying to backpedal and make him a "old man you want to root for" again just doesn't work after that first-movie reveal.
it's got that "bad fanfic" quality in that the sequel doesn't seem written by someone who understands the first one because it ruins the meaning of the first one-- like that god awful American Psycho "sequel" that starts out with the STUNNING lore shift that Patrick Bateman was a famous serial killer. 🤦♀️
@@xXluluchanelXx we don't talk about that sequel...
Yeah it does.
who is redeeming him? you are not me. you see him kill ppl and think good guy? he is just a bad guy doing a good thing. it is all about point of view. and when i watched the movie i feel like the point of view was from the kid. She sees him as the hero. But at the end she finds out everybody is bad. She just can live with his bad more then with the others. is she bad person now? I say no. We all do it in our heads pick a line that makes us think of who is bad or what is bad. She just seems to get it at the end that the line is Bullshit and the only thing you need to look at are the choices ppl make. He loved her so much he was willing to die for her. He never hurt her. So the choices she saw from him. Make her see him as the hero and Rocky form the first movie( who is a bad person also in my eyes) see his choices as evil. everybody sees things different. That is the world we live in. Would be boring if we all saw the same things the same. Just gonna say i see him as a bad guy too. They all are bad guys in my eyes. She even saves him at the end. She could live with the choices he made up until then. These movies are not about right or wrong when you get that you will get how good these movies are.
@@WatchTowersReviews - I respectfully disagree with your argument. The narrative is framing the rapist character in a protagonist role of trying to "save" a child character from arguably "worse" people. This inherently sets up a redemption arc, which runs counter to the first movie's set-up twist of him being the danger rather than the home invaders.
I'm glad you enjoy the movie, but saying I need to "get something" to better appreciate something you think is great isn't a compelling argument.
The sick thing is, there are people who have ideologies that reflect this archetype. Who will see nothing wrong with this character being called an antihero, which is absolutely repugnant.
lol i think they r a minority. And even they must agree that this was bad storytelling. The first movie was really good because the guy was a great villain. How can they like that and the second movie where he's basically the hero?
Yeah I see it here in the comments 😅
I totally agree, and also love your use of the word "repugnant." It is not said enough.
Most likely some apocalypse nuts who lock their families in a bunker because da rapture is comin every minute now or CHIIINAAA conspiracy theory
What ideology? I have to admit, I'm curious
This couldn’t have just been an independent movie altogether and not a sequel to Don’t Breathe? It could’ve just been a different old man instead of the audience knowing and associating him as the murderer that forcibly impregnated women…
Sometimes i think people just forgot they can make an original movie like everything is a sequel or a spin off or a remake these days 😂 not that i have any idea how the film industry works
@@nickirkland1347 This is exactly how the film industry works today with big studios looking for the fastest way to make a shit ton of money.
It could've been cool if this time the owner of the house looked like this innocent old grandma who has her grandchild but then It's all the plot of the movie but instead of the original guy, the old lady.
Not really since it was the concept of a blind man hunting bad guys with his senses which was the selling point from the previous movie. Apart from that this would just be the story of a man saving a kid from kidnappers which has been done hundreds of times in the past and that wouldn’t be original either.
@@acfan8253 ok but there's a huge difference between a movie where the blind man is the bad guy that takes place being trapped in a house and a movie where he's this vengeful anti-hero protecting a kid. Really the only similarity is that he's a murderous blind man and that could've served as a strong enough hook for the second movie to be independent.
If I had a nickel for everytime I watched a movie using the turkey baster method I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice, right?
Yeah, that's a pretty wild coincidence
There is a second movie using that thing?!
@@freyjanj I'm sure there is more than we'd ever know. But I've only seen one other movie 🤷♀️
also happened in an episode of shameless which was incredibly uncomfortable to watch
I love that reference 😍
I feel like writers use "anti-hero" as a bit of a cop out. Like buddy, there's nothing heroic here. You got yourself a villain protagonist. Own it.
The term “anti hero” is thrown around way to much I feel.
@@thomasraines1396 Anti Hero is the new "family"
@@mychaeljones7526 dear god.
I mean I've seen this guy be referred to as more of an anti-villain which also....just isn't it. He doesn't have good motivations for his monstrous actions lmao he's just a selfish, sadistic prick.
So, yeah gotta agree. Straight up villain.
@@coffeepowered6033 there’s also something called a “villain protagonist” where the main character is simply a straight up villain.
as soon as I saw the trailer I was super confused like my mind could not process how they tried to make someone who forced a woman pregnant with a turkey baster a sympathetic villain. Like it would be one thing if in the original the only thing he did was kill people who broke into his house and nothing else it could work but trying to act like he's a good person deep down despite being a rapist is disgusting
I never saw the first not a real fan of horror but they should have kept him pure evil yes you could bring in the little girl to up that creepy factor but bring back the girl from the first one have the little be the central character she loses everything she knew her father mom the woman that takes her into town her whole life ruined with the truth her only place to go is with the kids it would still be a unnecessary sequel but sure
I thought it was going to be a prequel because I thought no one would try to redeem him and yet here I sit with mud on my face
@@carynmarie0614 oh word a prequel might have work better than this... Like showing his descent into being this sick and twisted man doing sick and twisted things? So he can still be awful but like, with explanations and added horror
Can we talk about how we're all fine with the idea that mass serial killers are somehow redeemable for a second? Because I agree, and I'm not okay with that.
Like there's really NO perspective you can use to defend him on any level.
Cause I'm pretty sure he was reasonably wealthy, which was the whole reason people were breaking into his house to start with.
He could EASILY find dozens upon dozens of women totally ok with being surrogates and having a child for him. That's something you can just pay for. Turkey basters are ENTIRELY unnecessary. The only reason to capture a woman and force her to bear a child, is if you're kinda fucked up.
Or you want to do fucked up things to that child and not have a paper trail. Either way, red flag.
You can't transplant a child or teenager's heart into a full grown adult
LOGIC from badly written characters.
They're meth makers, I think the fumes ruined their brains
i don't see why this guy couldn't have just adopted a child in the first movie instead of doing his turkey baster bs and this sequel literally proves that he could've just adopted a daughter INSTEAD of doing... THAT. so not only does this movie completely retcon his motivations it also could've been resolved with some logical thinking in the FIRST PLACE.
Isn't he wealthy? Like at least moderately well off?
That's why there were a bunch of thieves in his house right? Cause they needed a bunch of money, and he had that and because he was blind, appeared to be an easy target?
He could've just paid a woman to be a surrogate if he wanted to have like his OWN kid that shared his DNA. It's not that big a deal, it happens all the time. Normally with couples that can't conceive for one reason or another, but there's no reason an older BLIND man that never got to have kids couldn't easily find someone. Like did he NEVER talk to anyone about really wanting kids so he just didn't know, that's something you can literally pay for?
@@haku8135 it's bc the woman he had was involved in the car accident that killed his daughter so in his sick mind this was some sort of justice, like, she took his daughter so now she has to give him one.
@@thatlemonadeguy6742 How the fuck did he manage to make her DISAPPEAR and keep her in his basement which AS A BLIND MAN he managed to outfit with...... all THAT shit?!
I mean she KILLED his daughter, yeah? So how is she
A-Not in fucking JAIL.
or
B-Not staying as FAR away from this guy as she possibly can?
This revelation just makes the first movie several times dumber! I mean Rocky when SHE had this shitty run in with the SAME guy, got the FUCK out of there asap! She did it, why did this other girl not manage to think "Hey, I killed this guy's daughter. MAYBE I should keep clear of him? I definitely shouldn't go to his house."
This is ONCE AGAIN just using that stupid trope of "because they are crazy" to justify a REALLY stupid and logistically impossible solution to a very simple problem they are fully capable of solving. I've said all this just ASSUMING he would instantly get a GIRL on the first attempt as well. It's a 50/50, because he is CRAZY would he have just killed it if it were a boy? Cause THAT'S not inconsistent with this person who SUPPOSEDLY cared SO much about his daughter that he kidnapped a woman and artificially inseminated her to make a new daughter using SPECIFICALLY the woman responsible for killing his child, which was a deplorable act......... unless he doesn't give a fuck and kills it then tries again until he gets a girl?
This is just another version of the "because they're stupid" plot device that's also very common and equally as stupid and lazy. Why are they doing this REALLY dumb thing instead of the very obvious solution to the problem? Cause they're stupid, shut up.
@@thatlemonadeguy6742 Exactly, the point not was only to have a child but revenge his daughter.
There are some lines you can't cross when trying to create a sympathetic villain. They can steal, lie, trick, manipulate, abuse power, and even kill. They can't take a zealous pleasure in inflicting pain, do hate crimes, enjoy hurting dogs/cats, perform violence against children, or perform any kind of sexual violence. There are some things that leave such a bad taste in your mouth, the character is poisoned forever. You simply can't come back from a turkey baster.
Don't know if you watched Buffy The Vampire Slayer but one of the most popular characters Spike actually tried to rape her and she had to fight him off. Somehow at the series finale she still tells him she loves him and he goes onto the Angel show still as popular as ever. Hollywood has a way convincing the audience to find a way to forgive characters no matter how terrible of an act they commit. Well some of the audience anyways.
@@josceola8979 that's a much more complicated story though. Not saying the attempted s.a. was okay at all. That episode is the hardest to watch of the series. At that time he had no soul. He was a demon who was only good because the chip in his head kept him from hurting people. After that happened even though he had no soul he still knew how wrong what he did was. He left town right away and went through torture to get his soul back. It wasn't a very quick forgiveness by Buffy either. He showed real remorse and the soul brought back his humanity, making him a new man. A very damaged man for the first half of the season. He also sacrificed himself for the world. He could be redeemed because of the supernatural circumstances. Humans who have souls and do things like S.A., showing absolutely no remorse or regret can't be redeemed. Especially the turkey baster guy. He kidnapped and violated a girl and tried to do it to another. He also justified his actions to himself instead of turning himself in. Now I'm not saying there aren't other media that try and redeem unredeemable characters but I don't think Spike is an accurate example of one.
Plus the one human who was unredeemable, Warren who tried to violate his ex Katrina by using magic as a date r. drug was killed. They portrayed his character as the monster he was. In conclusion Buffy is a false equivalency to what they tried to do in this movie.
@@rhiisamirrorballgirl they are still fooling you into thinking that via a faux complex story
Makes my skin crawl. It's not just that He seems to think the turkey baster is better than anatomical assault, it's that the WRITERS seem to think it's better than using his own anatomy for the assault.
He didn't see it as better. In the 2nd film he openly admitted that he's a rapist, despite denying it in the 1st film.
THIS. THANK YOU.
@@mzamnesia7190 Yeah he even sobbed into tears of admitting it as well.
Themes in movies often reflect the problematic beliefs in society. Redeeming a character who violated a woman...that checks out
Mmmmhm…I was thinking “why you shocked?” Happens all the time. It’s the “it’ll ruin this poor boy’s future” argument 🤦🏽♀️ (not ACTUALLY thinking that about Amanda, to be clear, just…not surprised - society has a history of excusing sexual assault and minimizing the vileness of the perpetrators)
For real - especially with some of the comments on this thread, defending his actions. What pisses me off is that showcasing it like this might make more impressionable audiences begin to believe it's okay, too. I mean, wtf...
Joker has raped women in the comics but his solo movie made a billion dollars
And redeeming a certian devil woman who skins puppies.. Plus redeeming a Skywalker dad for almost killing Luke's sister in that vaccine droid torture.. Go figure.
@@toddgarver5397 Yeah and he's a redeemer in the 2019 movie too.
They really tried to turn him into some reformed martyr. It seems to me he just has a habit of possessing women, locking them from the outside world and using them for his own personal gratification. If he truly cared about his daughter, he wouldn’t stand for another girl being the situations and torture he put them through. By the “cutting hair scene”, it gives me the picture of parentification. She fills the role as some kind of partner would, he ages her, makes sure that she has absolutely no opportunity to simply be a kid. All she knows is what he allows her to know. He’s moulding her into his view of a perfect woman/partner. Why does he need to replace his daughter by any means? What role to him did she fill that he cannot live without to the extent that he goes to such lengths to replace her? To me it’s like trying to find a new partner after they leave/pass, rather than literally replacing someone (or “something” in his case) that should be irreplaceable. Just because you weren’t shown to be as bad, doesn’t mean she didn’t deserve better. He stole from her most formative years, forever traumatised her more than she already was and was brainwashed into being whatever he wanted her to be. She is shown as an orphan in the last scene, but I would love it if they showed her with a lovely, normal adoptive family with some siblings as a stark contrast showing his inability to provide her a suitable life. The warmness of a family, being surrounded by loving people, going to school and having friends, instead of his harsh, cold isolation. A life where they are providing for her, not her being his possession to provide for his sick fantasy. God, of all ways they could have gone, they really chose a gross one. It’s gives me weird vibes that they even thought that this was an okay way to go? Like, why did they do this? Let’s not reward and celebrate sexual, misogynistic predators.
Ain't nobody reading all this shit
This is a much better plot for the squeal. I would like it better if he realized much he ruined her and decides to sacrifice himself or the girl seeing how much of monster he really is and gets away from him, and at the end gets adopted by a loving family and having a healthy and happy life, while the old man lives in misery and isolated.
@@payneicecold3000 too much words hurts your brain?
@@intheflatfield2954 yulp
even worse that she kept the name he gave her. in the absolute best ending she would've chosen a new name for herself
"Some characters just shouldn't be redeemed."
Thank you! I just want a bad guy that's a BAD guy. They don't all need to be misunderstood, abused twats.
nobody is redeeming him XD the movie is not even really about him and he is still a bad guy just not the worst in everybodys mind. first one he was the bad guy because he was the most fucked up now the other ppl are the most fucked up i mean rape and organ harvesting is totally different ball game in my eyes friend. the first movie had no real good guys either the thieves were bad guys too but he was just more of a bad guy in everybodys mind at the end.
@@WatchTowersReviews Exactly they seem to forget how rotten and horrible the people AROUND him are. Money wanted to steal from him even after finding out he was blind. Rocky and Alex are too chickenshit to stand up to him and Alex was using his dad's connections to rob people. Gee you THINK that might affect his dad still having a job? The girl he supposedly "raped" killed his daughter drinking and driving[which seems like it wasn't the first time]. So daddy paid him off and she got off way too easy. In the sequel the father is a drug dealer and the mom is selfish and stupid and manipulative. And who the FUCK goes to meet their DAUGHTER acting like a damn creepy stranger? I bet he would have molested her if she never got away. And he didn't give a fuck about her just wanted to keep his meth lab money going. At least old man didn't kill the dog.
Would that include Darth Vader and Cruella too?? OK then.. How about the Punisher who even kick women's asses in the bathroom for being villains too?
@@SaRENRampaiger according to the Punishers creator Gerry Conway? He is irredeemable. He kills because he wants to, he could care less about them being criminals. In fact, in Deadpool vs Punisher he says it himself "I kill people because I want to, this has nothing to do with my family. I became a soldier because I like killing people."
I guess in this movie they decided to turn him into a anti hero of sorts a geriatric Daredevil. It doesn't work for me. What made the first movie so great is that you saw him as the prey but come to find out he was the predator.
It made me think they were trying to create a character similar to Joel from The Last of Us but failed... Yeah people tend to be unforgiving when it comes to things like R! 😅
@@kitsulu8576 pll
He's a rapist. In what world can you excuse rape and make an antihero out of that? Insane.
@@kitsulu8576 Not a fan of Joel
Cindy’s body was covered with cement and put under the floor which is why the cops didn’t find them. Still don’t know why the cops didn’t find the turkey baster and fridge of….. stuff along with his prison cage.
@TrainerblueTube I thought it was pretty good but I was also freaked out because a mouse was in my home so I was distracted. I really do wonder how the filmmakers would brush that off though if someone asked.
This is the ONLY stretch I can think of--if I go into a basement and see a mattress lined area and semen turkey bastors, and restraints, id assume either a rape dungeon OR a kink thing. Like without any reports idk what they could make of what's in tbr basement
@@mzamnesia7190 if I can go off of what you said, maybe he knew one/few of the cops and they covered for him????(I know I’m grasping for straws 😓)
My question is how he kidnapped the girl in the first place.
They redeemed a man who took advantage of women so he could have kids, against their will? Cool. Rapist redeeming in movies is just totally rad (sarcasm). What a waste of a movie. At least Rocky got away.
Who said they redeemed him?
@Michael Baggett Cruella never actually killed puppies.
Rocky (girl) didnt get away, she's still from Detroit.
@Michael Baggett WTF?! Youre reading into the multiverse based on my sentence I wrote.
Rocky didn't deserve to get away either. They all should have gone to jail or died. Sorry no empathy for her either.
Amanda's rants about terrible movies and horrible (and completely beyond any hope of redemption) characters give me life.
And so much joy.
When the happy ending involves a kid ending up with no family, living in a shelter, more than likely traumatized, with issues that will manifest themselves in various ways throughout the rest of her life... just throw the whole storyline away and start over, this movie is 💩
What do they do in those situations where a kid shows up without a verifiable identity? Create a new SSN etc. to get them in the foster system, and if the family or proof shows up saying “actually this kid’s name and SSN are xyz” cancel the other one?
What about the premise of this movie makes you think it should even have a happy ending? Like last I checked horror/thrillers dont fulfill that.
@@alisaurus4224 I don't think they give them an ssn, I think they give them case numbers and put their details as "approximate" and "unknown"
@@mzamnesia7190 maybe not a "happy ending" per se, but most of them have some type of victorious resolution. Unless they're teasing a sequel. Even then, there is typically a vindication of some sort. All I could think after this movie was "this kid is going to struggle so hard for the rest of his life". It's terrible. The whole movie is terrible, on so many levels.
@@cjb2749 im not sure what horror thrillers you normally watch but very few have an ending that leave you feeling good or hopeful. And this is about as happy of an ending as we could get. Blind man is dead, the girl survived(organs unharvested), and the other bad guys also died. Plus she now has a chance to meet other kids, maybe have a chance at a slightly more nirmal childhood
Pretty sure it's because the director and actress from first movie had some sort of falling out, so he couldn't focus on a revenge plot for the Rocky character and her sister, like it seemed they were implying in the end.
I didn't know that actually!
@@AmandaTheJedi The director said something along the lines of "she didn't come back because it's a really hard, dark role and she's such a committed actor she would have been too miserable, she's happier in tv"
And she tweeted that he never asked her, but she would have said no, and it had nothing to do with being a committed actor and more to do with him.
But at that point I wouldn't make a sequel. Or at least made it about her sister or something and not an anti hero
She already got what she wanted in the first one, the money so she and her little sister could get away from her stepfather. Funny how nobody in the comments talks much about Rocky's stepfather who certainly sounds like HE'S no angel.
@LaVerdadEsMuyCatólica I mean, ''deserves'' is a big word. I'd say a generous person may choose to redeem them, but all I'd do is not kill them. That, is sufficient redemption for extreme criminals, imo.
@LaVerdadEsMuyCatólica ...See, if you're religious then that's going to make this debate a whole lot problematic so let's just not get into it, haha. Have a good day though!
The only thing worse than the baster was the single HAIR. WHY AM I REMEMBERING THIS?? HELP!
I think there are multiple actually :(
@@AmandaTheJedi Ohhhhhhh Noooooooooooo! Easily one of the worst closeups in horror cinema.
what's that?
I thought this was going to be a bait and switch movie, with the first part lulling us in and making us believe they wanted to redeem him then twist, that girl is Rocky's sister and he killed Rocky (since Jane Levy didn't want to come back) and the people who seemed evil are actually going to save her... but no.
I was thinking that they coulda just done that to keep the structure of the first but yeah, they had to "redeem" the rapist
Truly don't know who or why they thought making him some sort of hero for the sequel, knowing how the previous one went, would at all be a good idea.
Ah come on bro. Can't people get a second chance lol.
He’s a rapidt
The same way they made the robbers seem like heroes.
@@SuperPal-tr3go Have you watched the first movie?
@@midnight_rose2337 Yeah, I was making a joke about the absurdity of giving him a second chance.
Don't Breathe 2: The Rape Redemption
Don't breathe 2 is for people that don't remember watching the first one and don't know what's else to watch.
No, I remember the first one and there are other things I could be watching, I just honestly think that this is more better because it’s more of my thing
(Action and stuff like this had)
Disagree. I watch the 2 back to back. Obviously I watched the 2nd cuz I enjoyed the 1st
You know, sympathetic villains are good. Anti heroes are good. But there are so many stories with unreliable villains that are also great. They don’t need to be sympathetic. Sometimes evil characters can just be fun.
Yea this guy is nothing but evil. Hardly sympathetic. They want to make a rapist sympathetic and it's sick.
Agree, I think what is "appealing" about this character is that despite the level of horror that he has inflicted on other people, I can understand why he does what he does. So this is the type of thing that makes him really interesting as a character, in my opinion.
I think it‘s just extremely disgusting that they apparently looked at this absolutely horrid rapist monster and thought „Hey, I think this one needs a redemption arc! I think we should make him the protagonist and a cool edgy anti-superhero who can now protect the *thing* he wanted to *have* in the first movie. Because, I mean, why shouldn‘t we reward his clearly big efforts?“.
That‘s just really telling of how they see the world, how they see women, how society sees women. The fact that the movie exists as it does shows the true nature of this society. Someone made it happen, someone let it happen, someone maybe tried to change/ stop it but that person was ignored/ silenced. And this movie made money.
So, when I watched the trailer I said to myself… “well, I’m not watching a movie that redeems this monster” and wondered why they would ever want to go there 🤦🏻♀️
Yeah don't redeem this guy, sequel was not needed
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They made him beyond disgusting....and we're just supposed to...forget and forgive that?
No, youre not. You root for the little girl in the film. The tension is about whether she makes it out, not about him getting redemption.
@@mzamnesia7190 Thank you. I've been saying that for days.
Yep
Trying to turn the blind murder-rapist into blind John Wick is probably why it felt like an action movie
and *goddamn* was it a poor decision
They might as well called it Don't Breathe 2: Forget The Turkey Baster Existed"
I was so confused seeing the second one and mentally said.
“-wait. Wasn’t he a bad guy in the first one?”
“He’s still out there. Waiting…to BASTE.”
Me, out loud in an empty room: AMANda!!
I ended up covered in my coffee lmao temporarily rip my white shirt.
Can't tell if I'm actually laughing or desperately attempting to not cry every time she says "turkey baster" 😭
At first I was rooting for the father of Phoenix because at first I thought he just wanted his daughter back and this old guy kid napped her🤷🏻♀️ when they told Phoenix they needed her heart for a transplant my mom said that the girls heart was probably not even big enough for the mother because the girl is at least 13 and we are talking about a major surgery and one little doctor isn’t going to do much and not to mention the infections she could get from it and the medication she would have to take after for the rest of her life.(my moms a nurse so she really thought about all that kinda stuff)
The actress Jane levy was the only reason that made me watch the first film and I was pleasantly surprised with its intensity. So, when I heard about the sequel I hoped they were going the traditional way and have the final girl face the killer once again under other circumstances. But this plot makes me think that the producers thought that the audience sympathised so much with the villain that they wanted to see his story expand in the sequel. Disappointing.
She said she didn't want to be in the sequel because of how the director tended to trick them to get more genuine reactions, but methinks the plot of the second one was also amongst the reasons she didn't want anything to do with this.
@@Kawatsume On Twitter Levy said she wasn't asked to.
Put that way it seems they actively dislike the audience
Well they wanted Jane Levy to come back but were condescending towards her, basically calling a weak woman who cant handle bad things. Like bruv, you literally directed her in the first film and the Evil Dead re-work.
Well in their defense, people did greatly sympathize with him.
You know, until that one part.
When I saw the trailer for this movie in the theatres, I was like, _WAAAAAAAIT_ That's the TURKEY BASTER MAN?!
I legit prayed it was just the same actor in a different movie
I have an ex that I went to see the original with. He admitted to me that he thought the original prisoner actually deserved to get turkey basted for accidentally killing his daughter and that my repulsion was nonsensical to him. Quietest walk to the car after a showing I've had... .. We're not together anymore lol. I digress but this character's attempted "redemption" after that irl experience was such an insult.
Damn....I'm sorry to hear that though.
well for most ppl he is a bad person but they all are bad ppl the 3 are not saints they all fucked up. rape victims will say he is more bad then the rest and then ppl that have had a home invasion happen will say they thieves are worse. Lets face it they are all bad even in this movie he is still the bad guy he is just doing something good. even evil ppl do good things. And good or bad is just some bullshit in ppls head anyway it is all about the choices one makes. People need to just see if they can live with or forgive them and not everybody will. ive seen a rape victim forgive her rapist. ive seen a person who got robbed and shot forgive the robber. so your ex may see it different then you and so you went over this line in you head because you cant live with it. Is that bad? no is he a bad person for giving his opinion on agreeing with someones choices? is say no. is rape a bad thing? I think most people will say yes.(even i find it unforgiveable)But I do not hate a person that says it is not bad or it is forgivable. They can live with the choices of a person that raped a other person. It is like the blind guy. Ive seen ppl say the girl he had in the first movie was innocent it was an accident that she kill his daughter. Well for him it was forgivable if she gave him a other child. IRL some find a accident even unforgivable. So see choices make the world move and all of us just pick what choices we can live with or not ( good or bad).
Glad you got away from him. He sounds like the exact reason why I can't stand movies like these - because they give people who may already be rape apologists or worse a chance to justify their beliefs...
@@WatchTowersReviews The three home invaders violated the man's house. The man violated the woman's BODY. There is no f-ing comparison, and the fact that you seem to be defending the man's actions as justifiable in some way is beyond disturbing. If the tables were turned (where a woman had some people sneak into her house, and she decided to kidnap one of the men and violate HIS body by penetrating him against his will), I doubt you would say it is a crime equal to having one's home invaded.
@@alexandrialeonora6542 it is all a crime. And when was i defending the man? I told you is see them all as bad. You may say rape is worse until people come in your house and beat you almost to death. A friend of mine flinches everytime they hear a creak in the house now. it is al bad. So just think if the blind guy was not a rapist and just a blind guy. He would never feel save again. But he is bad so yea both side are bad people it bothers me you seem to say breaking in is not bad. I never hope thieves enter your home. You need to put yourself in the charathers shoes friend then you know who they think. You dont have to like it. You know that is what agents do right. They start to think like the bad guys so they can find them. In the blind guys mind it was all just justice. Does that make it right what he did. Hell no. But i know why in his head he thought it was right. He does need to be punished. Just like the girl that stole the money and is now living a good life on money she stole. It is not because it was from a bad guy thatbit is right to do so all of a sudden.
a better sequel for this film could've flipped the premise for the first & have Rocky and her sister be victims of a home invasion ala the strangers or whatever and Rocky hunting them down to keep her sister safe; just have her be a woman protecting her sister and taking extreme measures to achieve that but ofc they had to make the turkey baster rapist into some 'anti-hero' instead
When I saw the trailer to the movie I was like, “wait, that looks like the Don’t Breathe guy. But surely they can’t redeem him? Must be a different movie with the same actor.” Then the title card came on.
I remember at the end of the first movie *spoilers* that he was following Rocky and her sister through the airport. So when I saw the trailer for this movie and he was with a young girl protecting her, I thought "hey wait, is that Rocky's little sister from the first movie? Cause...if so...I don't like this!"
He wasn't following them. Rocky sees on TV that he had survived and told no one about her or the money, and for a second it looks like he's looking right into the camera ,but that's it.
@@ma_alva I think I succumbed to the Mandela Effect 😂
@@ma_alva There was a scene where he followed them but was deleted.
@@DrGregoryHouseIT Was there? Maybe an alternative ending, then? Because the version I watched she sees him being loaded into an ambulance on TV while she's at the airport, right before she boards. So maybe there was a scene where he followed them, but it was switched for this one? Can't see them both being there...
@@ma_alva I did say it was deleted.
Related but unrelated: There is literally nothing I hate more than the forced redemption of Joe Goldberg for the TV show. Especially when they liken him to Dexter every other episode! Joe Goldberg will never be Dexter Morgan. No matter the medium, Joe will always be the guy that ends up on Dexter's table for all his stalker/murderer bullsh*t and that's that on that!!
Can't say the old man is a good villain. Tying his actions to being atheist is insultingly inaccurate (the vast majority of atheists, like the rest of the population, do not commit crimes, and those who do have completely unrelated motives), and frankly just ruins the movie.
Is that why he does this shit!?
REALLY?
That's COMPLETELY illogical. He has MONEY, that's why his house was being robbed in the first place, just PAY a woman to be a surrogate, it happens all the time. Problems solved, you no longer need to be a criminal!
@@haku8135 Pretty sure a lot of his original motivation also lay in wanting to punish the woman who *accidentally* killed his first daughter, then he just...kept going with it?
I mean don't quote me I haven't watched either movie, just reviews and things.
@@coffeepowered6033 He can just KILL the woman if he's pissed off?
That's fine, I mean it's still fucked up but from a certain point of view the logic works.
You killed my daughter.
You got away with it.
I'll kill you.
I'll get away with it.
Done. Problems solved.
Then he can LEGALLY get a new daughter and everything's FINE. An extended TORTURE SESSION in his basement is just BEGGING to get caught, WHICH HE DOES!
The only reason he didn't go to jail is because the writers made everyone really stupid! Also known as the worst writing tool in the world.
do what shit? and it has nothing to do with atheist what movie are you guys watching WTF. He only did it the one time with the girl he wanted to punish. he was planning to do it with the other one because it was there fault he accidently killed her. After Rocky (girl from the first movie) escape he never did it again. He found that girl in the second movie because her parents were cooking meth and there house when BOOOM. He saved her and treats her as his child. He is still the bad guy from the first movie that raped a girl just so he can have a child again and he would have forgiven her then if she have him a child. Now is that right or wrong. i see it as unforgivable rape but ive seen ppl say it is no big deal. Do not get angry at me for that just ppl see choices different then others. but never have they told that he keeps raping that is just bullshit and he has a god yes but that has nothing to do with is raping or killing he just says and i quote "never take anything for granted, god will take it from out." and the girl ask him "is god bad" and he replies with " god is fair" does that mean he is killing because he is a atheist? nope.
@@haku8135 he wanted her to give his child back. So he took her and did not torture her perse he just raped her(he put his seed in her like without fucking with tool) and then he keeps her tied up and her health. So he can have his child then he would have let her go. He was think to use the money to move and run after i think with the baby. after he killed her accidently because of the girl that broke in he was her to take the girls place as pendents for her deeds. He never tried again after he found the girl of the second movie because her parents were even worse then him in my eyes(organ harvesting and meth cooking) so yea he is a bad guy still in both movies he just does a good thing in the second movie and ppl start bitching about redeeming himself bad guys can do a good thing they dont hate everything you know
I lol’d at the title. That is the ONLY thing I remember about that movie
So basically, Taken, except Liam Neeson has a completely morally bankrupt backstory from a previous movie that the writers want us to forget about
What always baffled me was that at the end of the first movie, the police apparently didn’t find the creepy dungeon in his house or the body of the woman he had kept in there, did they even search the house? How was that man not in prison?
Only two men could even think of redeeming an actual twice around rapist ...
Epstetin and Vainstein?
the moment that Jane Levy wasnt in the movie (and she apparently had some beef with the director according to her tweets), I just lost interest in it. Then they fcking try to redeem this dude who is a r*pist, nahhh bruh im out
The turkey battery scene is the only time I've genuinely almost thrown up watching a movie. Thanks for reminding me
@Patricia 18 y.o - check my vidéó but that's not as good sequel bait and they couldn't use the same actor as the guy.
They could've made this a prequel about what drove him to his insanity in the first film, but nope he got the Jamie fookin Lannister treatment.
Omg I was so confused when the trailer for the sequel came out. I was like "Isnt this the turkey baster guy or am I just remembering it wrong?" but NOPE this is just a really weird sequel
The worst part is that it worked, I've seen so many comments of people saying they "love the old man, he's a little messed up but has a good heart" or some stupid bullshit like that
I’ve no problem with characters having redemptive qualities, but in the case of Don’t Breathe 2, they’re asking their audience to support a violent rapist who kept a woman chained up in his basement. Why they thought an audience would get on board with this, I just don’t know?
Because life isn't black and white and even the most eviliest of person can still have something good come from them. Look at how we got surgery thanks to Hitler. It's not supporting what they did but still recognizing they did something. He calls himself a monster at the end but I guess you can just gloss over that right?
framing the film in a way that you're expected to root for the r*pist is so gross
It's fucked up and that's why I love it.
@@StuckonStupid84 username checks out.
Sorry, it’s too late
I am worried about Invincible, because it seems that Omniman gets redeemed and I'm like "I've seen him explode a hero's head with his bare hands..."... There is a Todoroki's dad vibe to it and it is very uncomfortable.
Oh yeah… he kinda does get redeemed.
Well like Todoroki's dad, it's not an instant thing, they don't ignore what they've actually done, and there are some that refuse to forgive. That's the best way to do these things, no need to feel uncomfortable.
@@dave_the_slick8584 I feel very uncomfortable with Endeavor's redeeming arc, it really didn't work for me... it is even around when I stopped reading (it was actually cuz the class training thing with guy who controls people)
@@talic-os5899 if you're where I think you are, it literally just started and this is the point no one really believes him. It didn't finish until a few months ago. This wasn't a rushed thing.
@@dave_the_slick8584 Maybe, as a entirely dropped the manga (but more because of another $students training in school to get grades or whatever bullshit$), so I'm not saying it was rushed, just that it feels like a wrong move when you have so many characters to work with. I mean, Endeavor is worse than the villains of the story, and I can't remember any redeemed villains in the manga?
The most redeeming thing about Don't Breathe 2 was seeing a ball of floof at the end of this review.
So they try to redeem the irredeemable by putting him against mustache-twirling evil caricatures, involved in a pointlessly messy and convoluted plan.
I was ready to see this movie after seeing a tiny bit of the trailer, but I am now absolutely disgusted knowing that they’re going to make the rapist into some “cool badass antihero” ugh
They don't.
Just felt like clarifying why the cops didn't find Cindy's body. The old guy placed her body in an open space he apparently had under his floor and filled it up; making it so they'd never find her body.
'Okay, they fucked around, and now they're finding out.' Fucking lost it right there XD
Your fantastic ranting analyses got me through lockdown last year and damned if they aren't getting me through this (hopefully short) lockdown down :D
The redeemable psychopath trope can be done well...if the psychopath in question isn't a goddamn r*pist. why tf did they think this was okay?!
It's weird where people draw the line with characters. It's okay if a character is a psychopath who murders a bunch of innocent people, but if they r*pe someone then that's too far? That's such a bizarre boundary
@@onyx081 Sometimes murder is justified. There's no justification for rape. That's why people draw the line there.
I vividly remember watching Don’t Breathe in the theaters and when the reveal for the baster happened, I actually almost threw up and didn’t eat with the rest of my group when we went to dinner afterwards. That shit is still traumatizing to this day.
I haven't seen the sequel, but the first movie really fucked with me, that guy is just nyope
Did you notice that the thugs who tried to kidnap Phoenix also threatened to kill fear via drowning and electrocution? Lmao, like wtf would their boss say about that if they were going to kill her before even donating her heart?
When I heard they were making a sequel to Don't Breathe, my first thought was "oh God, why?". I'm rather relieved to hear I didn't miss much by deciding to pass on watching it myself, though
I totally forgot about the turkey baster scene and now I'm horrified that theyed try to redeem him.
Seeing your face on the Jones soda in the background gives me life in spite of this disturbing sequel. Also gives me Speckle from Tuca and Bertie vibes, which I love
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I thought the first movie did a good job at showing the "grey area" of the characters' moralities. At first, everyone sympathizes with the blind, just for his disabilities, and not so much with the robbers.
That turkey baster scene, although it didn't make me like the robbers more, made it so that the blind man was not some "completely innocent old, disabled man", but a disturbing character with his own sick motives.
I wish to see more movies show more "gray area" characters, rather than a solid "good guy" and "bad guy".
I disliked the first movie, unfortunately. The whole premise was based off of incorrect assumptions about being blind. From his characteristics alone, which made him such a powerful antagonist, it’s not possible for his other senses to be that strong. For some reason, sighted people often think other senses will be much stronger for someone who is blind. Although other senses are heightened and passive echolocation can be done, what the antagonist does in this movie is completely impossible. If they really wanted a blind antagonist, you’d think they’d at least be slightly realistic with what they would be capable of doing. In the second trailer, they even continue the “now you’ll see what I see” dialogue from the first trailer. It gave me the impression that they really weren’t out for making a blind antagonist, but finding an excuse to make the other characters struggle more in the environment and for the creepiness factor when everything is dark.
@@PinkBlue_Spood Really now? You're mad because he wasn't realistically blind? Really?
The first one was a good movie because they basically made the old guy an evil daredevil.
No one really thinks that blind people are this strong. Really no one. And if people think thet blind people are powerfull like daredevil let them. It's better than thinking they are less than them.
@@PinkBlue_Spood I do agree that although I have never met someone who's blind, Norman's abnormal accuracy despite being so was a bit silly at times. Like, I'm not sure how someone would have accurate precision with a gun, just by hearing their target.
But I was mainly focusing on Norman's twisted and violating actions, and how the second movie kinda glossed over it, despite how having a replacement for his dead daughter is important to him (and how gross it was for us to watch it unfold).
@@PinkBlue_Spood I get what you're saying, but I don't think they were going for realism in that movie... I don't think "let's make it seem real" was even a passing consideration 🤣
@@RespectTheSourceMaterial I think you’re taking my comment in a harsh direction. I’m not mad at the movie, but I dislike the portrayal of the person being blind. If you have a blind character, it would make more sense to make their strengths and weaknesses at least slightly accurate. But the movie doesn’t do this, and instead takes a bad stereotype to the extreme. I’m in no way saying that a blind person is thought to be lesser of (I’m disabled with visual impairments as well due to some of my condition’s symptoms). I don’t know what gave you that impression..
When I watched the movie I thought the guy was a good bad guy! I don’t want him to be redeemed- like he literally can’t be redeemed at all, r**ped a girl and kept her captive then tried to do it to another
Yeah no, let’s just leave good Horror movies alone with no sequels.
I just gotta say I found this channel when I was in the hospital with covid pneumonia and blood clots and it really helped me get through it
I've gotta say, the best part of Amandas videos is how educational they are. Before watching this I had no absolute idea there was something called "turkey baster" and whatever that would mean. Now I do know and wish I didn't.
Stephen Lang in Don’t Breath 1: The final boss ofthe game.
Stephen Lang in Don’t Breath 2: The final boss when you unlock him.
I'm glad that they made his voice sound different after that turkey baster incident. Great continuity
I really enjoyed the first movie and I remember how the trailer for it was cryptic, and you didn't know what to expect. And it paid off. Completely opposite to the sequel. Not only the trailer gave off too much but it was clear they didn't understand the first movie, they turned it into a dumb action movie and tried to paint the blind dude as some sort of good guy, just as Amanda said. I finally learned to appreciate the current trend of spoiler-y trailers.
about the comments you made about Joe in You, as explained in season 2 his fixation on children and their protection is an extension of the obsession with love. To be honest i really like that he is portrayed that way, because it results in himself constantly justifying his horrible behavior by saying "but i help kids". Where as anyone else just sees him as evil with a obsession with kids.
You are one of the few people to criticize You for making Joe look good and do it properly for the correct reasons. It's not a problem that he's handsome, a stalker, and the main character. He has all that and still looks like a creep but that kid aspect really does what everything else doesn't. Makes him the good guy he thinks he is.
So basically this... "series" which started with the hunters becoming the hunted turned into...
A family drama, starring the villain of the first movie?
Yeah, when you want to make a story about a cool antihero trying to redeem himself from his past, you make him a Vietnam Vet, trying to atone for being in a war he was forced into. Or you make him an ex-assassin. You don't make him a pervy weirdo from The Hills Have Eyes. ... Or judging by the audience response, maybe you DO go with that last one and profit handsomely.
I find it very strange you think someone who murders people for personal profit is totally redeemable, but a bad blind guy with standards is 100% irredeemable.
I mean his entire plan is COMPLETELY illogical as he could EASILY give a woman money as a surrogate and get a child LEGALLY, which makes him PURELY evil so you ARE correct there's no redeeming him. He's chaotic evil, not lawful evil, where a hitman is lawful evil, despite the fact he has a weird line he won't cross of actually fucking the girls he holds captive. So, Lawful Stupid maybe?
Regardless I think if his plan were more logical and his motivations were more sympathetic than....... well, basically just pure greed to be honest, he COULD be redeemed.
However it's not, so..... yeah, why the fuck did they make this movie? The last movie was set up to him being the bad guy is the twist, they DIDN'T write him to be sympathetic. It was set up to END there.
Yes. Contrary to most people in the comment section (it seems) I _do_ like redemption stories. I *don’t* want bad guys who are just bad guys, it doesn’t really stimulate me intellectually and enough movies have made iconic, totally evil villains for me to already have my fill of them. BUT, uh, if your bad guy is someone who kidnapped, sequestered and forcefully inseminated a woman because she accidentally killed his daughter…. maybe don’t pick _that_ bad guy to write your redemption story? Especially when, from what I’ve seen, he shows *no* remorse for his actions from the first movie and does *nothing* to become a better person (no, kidnapping/adopting a little girl and making her live a miserable life is not that)…
I wasn't planning on watching it (I'm still not), but damn I'd love to watch it with your audio commentary, I'd be hilarious
Yikes it's like they wanted to do a Logan but didn't get why that worked because y'know Wolverine didn't r*pe women with turkey basters and hold them hostage
When I saw the trailer, my first thought was “are you fu****g kidding me?”.
Theory: Turkey baster guy is just the kid from Home Alone grown up
kevin would never
@@ElisaxDickie the one from the newest home alone movie would
I'm not sure that non-uterus having people quite understand how horrifying the idea of being impregnated against your will is. Maybe that's why the directors thought the organ harvesting suddenly make turkey basting a preferable option 🤮
The idea that some men somewhere were like "this guy deserves redeeming/can be redeemed" is so very terrifying from a woman's pov. Like, that's really something that some man somewhere thinks is an apology away from being okay. Fucking hell.
And not just one man. Apparently at least several, if the comments section is any indication. Terrifying indeed from a women's perspective. So sick of this world...
THANK YOU!!!! I’ve been commenting on all the trailers saying “wait, am I supposed to be rooting for ‘Turkey Baster Man’ now?” I’m not having any of that lol
The girl he kidnapped was the daughter's killer (drunk driving, I think it was). That's what I remember from the movie. There was a snippet about the girl who got off on the DUI/vehicular manslaughter going missing, if I remember correctly.
A better sequel to Don’t Breath would’ve been if it had turned out that Norman succeeded in impregnating Rocky and he had somehow stalked her to California, where she is now raising his child. She must then fend him off and fight for her own survival in order to protect the child that she has grown to love from being kidnapped by their psychotic biological father.
Not that I've been surprised Hollywood bosses sympathize with the rapist, but still jeez!
Cindy WAS the person involved with his daughters death. She was the driver of the car that killed the daughter, that’s the entire reason he took her, to “replace” his child.
I don't think there should be any doubt that Norman is a monster, but regarding the first movie, those "likable characters trying to get out of a bad situation" were only in that particular bad situation because they decided to break into the home of an elderly blind man and rob him. All three of them were monsters who just happened to come across a worse monster.