Bruce Prichard shoots on potentially racist promo by HHH on Booker T headed into Wrestlemania 19
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As a Black Man who listens to Something to wrestle everyday I gotta Thank you Conrad for not falling for that PR answer from Bruce
Overdose beats I’m with you bro!
Conrads view as hunter losing made sense but this proves why sting never joined earlier if it isn't politics backstage or racial storylines wcw got buried
Overdose beats - I can't even imagine how hurt you must have been listening to Bruce defend HHH here. :-/.
Aussie Arcade ---- come on.... Listen to the clip..... It's so obvious. Not trying to generate heat here. Just being mindful.
Rusty Shackleford - who are you referencing? Specify.
It wasn’t about WCW and WWF... Hunter went as far as to bring up Booker’s criminal history...
Hunter was running down WCW guys while his right hand man was a WCW guy....
@@daleharris3809 Eh Flair was more than a ''WCW'' guy. He had been in WWF before and pretty much everywhere before. Before Flair went to WCW he was still big.
Booker became champ and caught his break in WCW. Same with Steiner. Same with Goldberg. Etc....
@@Robin-kp1nv Fair point but with the exception of maybe Sting I can't thing of one man who's legacy runs deeper within that organization than Ric Flair.
Ya I love some realism with my wrasslin but sometimes you can tell they go too far. Yet when they dont make it real we bitch so we can't have it both ways!
Robin MXZ There’s no “eh”
Flair was a WCW guy period
BOOKER SHOULD HAVE WON THAT MATCH
Syxx Williams exactly! triple h didn't want to lose because of his ego and booker t is black.
Syxx Williams Exactly. When Triple H cut that promo, the only real revenge would be for Booker to win. They screwed him because HHH's stroke and massive ego.
AlwaysLookCool 729 Should've won it 3 weeks later num nuts.
AlwaysLookCool 729 No hate here. Just don't agree with you.
Blake Martin no hate but yet you are calling poeple names . you don't have to call a person numb nuts just because their opinion is different from years .
I remember watching this promo live and never got the idea that it was WCW vs. WWE. It was pretty clear this was about race.
Keith Havens it's loses that meaning cause Trips' belt is the Old WCW one. So people like that have held it.
It was clearly about race. Bruce is full of shit here
Yeah it was blatantly a racist angle disguised as a wcw vs wwe angle. It should have gone this way...
HHH says Booker cant beat him cuz WCW guys were hired to be entertainers, not champions. At WM HHH is getting out wrestled by Booker T, so HHH keeps leaving the ring out of frustration, and eventually tries to leave through the crowd with the WH title, so Booker T jumps him and brings him back to the ring. The finish should have been HHH cheating to win, or getting himself disqualified, because he knows Booker T has his number, and is desperate to prove that WWE guys are better than WCW guys.
That way Booker T could have still lost on the night, and won the title next month at backlash, as it would have furthered the fued, and is in line with HHH's character to cheat, and it also kept the only title change of WM as the WWE title match.
Even though WWE's treatment of Booker was terrible, he wasn't getting the WWE version of the WCW title anytime soon that year, especially not while he was on RAW, given that HBK was also there, plus Nash was returning from injury, on top of Goldberg about to debut. Vince was never going to let either Steiner or Booker rehash matches against Nash or Goldberg on his watch, thus HHH had to hold the belt until Goldberg finally relieved him of it for about 3 months.
Yea same here i was pissed as fuck
If that promo is cut BY ANYONE not named Triple H Booker goes over. But, God forbid, can't have the son-in-law lose.
i dont blame hhh. i blame vince. this was during the time HHH was killing everything wcw related (booker t, scott steiner, goldberg, kevin nash).
I blame them both.
Doesn’t HHH own the record for most mania losses?
That's why the WWE in the shape that it is
@@williamobrien3540 He does.
At Wrestlemania 19 everyone kicked out of a finisher at least once. Except Booker who lay for about a minute before Trips drapes an arm over him for the win 🤷♂️
Yes but it was the MIGHTY PEDIGREE
Prince Xizor lol my favorite pedigree moment was ultimate warrior just standing back up immediately after being hit with it.
Mike West mine is this one time Jerishow faced DX and Big Show got pedigreed and was out for like 5 minutes while Shawn and HHH just beat the shit out of Jericho
G Man- I completely agree with you on that one...
If I were able to rewrite WWE history as far as 'WWE WrestleMania 19' goes, I would've had Triple H drop the title to Booker T. & maybe win it back at 'WWE Summerslam 2003', or, something like that.
It's wrestling, it's a show, HHH is a super villian. You all get on like Booker wasn't all for it.
“It was about someone from WCW” Ah yes, nappy hair, shining shoes, and carrying bags is something that is always associated with wcw.
What made this match even worse was hhh taking forever to make the pin and get the 3 count. He couldn't just hit the pedigree and pin him,he had to draw it out to make booker look weak.
Terry Brown yeah Triple was an asshole. I always thought he was boring. Kissing the right asses got him where he is now.
Triple H never kissed ass... He went tongue deep in Vinces ass til he would pass out
Momo Supremacy yup
pyllywaltteri nah , Triple H will always be my favorite . Ppl are jealous because he has everything in the business he could possibly have . He married Steph and ppl hate him for it , when really they would kill to be in his position. What’s great about HHH is that he is an all time great heel , and a really good face . Not to mention best theme of all time
He is a piece of shit.
“Get your chapstick out mf. You can’t defend this one.” 😂 that was great Conrad! Get it ready Bruce
The way he said it 😂😂😂😂
@@carlosinda3553 yea bro it was great 😂
Bruce Prichard is really trying to defend this and Conrad is on his ass. There's no defending it.
This is my first time hearing all this, definitely have gain more respect for Conrad.
i've been looking all over for the clip where Bruce keeps defending Triple H and conrad has enough and says, "Okay we get it, you want to keep kissing Hunter's ass" and Bruce immediately went defensive. I wish i knew which one it was lol
It wasn't just the "nappy head" promo. It was the "carry my bags" comment, throwing money at him to "entertain" Hunter, bringing up his criminal history, and the entire undertone of the story line that made it racist. Even the way Triple H pinned Booker T was just so cringe it wasn't even funny. I love Bruce but he got it wrong on this one.
Booker should've gone over and feuded with Hunter for months to come. WWE dropped the ball BAD on this one.
You know loads of people have had the "carry my bags" line right? And the lines about them being a joker or entertainment. And nappy hair isn't derogatory as it used to be a long time ago. It has definite perceived racist undertones, but he is a bad guy, it's not like he's a goody and saying this stuff like it's condoned. The stuff heels have said to get the crowd to hate them has been way worse than this, but it isn't real, it's a show. Did you rave at Leonardo, or Tarantino over the race issues in his movies? I would guess that you didn't, cause it's just a movie. Edit: The only true crime here is that Booker lost, but everyone loses to HHH pretty much, remember when Sting debuted finally, and he got pinned clean in the ring by Hunter and never had a match again.
@@Lolp821 sure
@@Lolp821 oh shut the hell up
Exactly, I can get behind burying Booker for being from WCW, but damn, the "nappy hair" and "carry my bags" and "entertain me" lines are racist as all get out. With that said, I'm honestly not convinced that Booker didn't suggest Hunter go there.
@@Lolp821 Nappy hair is racist as all hell Lolp. czcams.com/video/RF9BjB7Bzr0/video.html Don Imus was fired for using that term.
I remember another promo where HHH told Booker to shine his shoes and offered him a dollar defend that
chris hollingsworth it's a work and booker went along with it .
chris hollingsworth now go get your fucking shine box
He was told Booker was a shoe expert. Totally professional
Wasn't Triple H the cerebral Assassin at this point in time??
He Got that ass beat in the bathroom when he pulled that shit too lol
I like Pritchard but give me a break with this crap. Anyone who watched the promo saw the way hhh said it and knew exactly what he meant.
Yup and of course there trumps boys they get away with being racists pricks
Oh shut up. You are just projecting.
There’s no proof it was racist. He never mentioned his race or called him any racist names.
Here’s the guy know actually knows the facts and yet you still wanna keep with your projecting.
@@Jackholiday1025 The problem with that argument is that you have to pretend to be completely fucking stupid to believe that. "People like you are here to entertain" "Your nappy hair" "Dance for me Book" I mean if you don't think that the racism angle was out of line then that's your opinion, nobody can change that. But why lie to yourself and pretend that this was all just about Booker being from WCW?
Billy Blanx hes probably not pretending. Some people just are totally oblivious to their surroundings lol. The problem is they have to speak and let everyone know how stupid they are. I for one, didnt have a prob with it. And I’m black. But its annoying how some people are too stupid to see it and argue against the obvious.
@@billyblanx1434 Yea lol HHH did exactly what he wanted to do. He made all of you mad and think that he actually went there. Lmao you all fell for the oldest trick in the book and don't even realize it
They should've handled this program the way Flair/Steamboat was handled in WCW...the only difference is they would have had the nuclear heat that comes with racial undertones. Have HHH draw that heat, have Booker go over at WM, and 2 ppvs later, after Booker has gained the respect of HHH as a competitor and seeing the error in his thinking but still keeping that heel persona but now taking him more seriously as a man and competitor, then HHH goes back over.
Both stars would have came out better that way.
Greg Terrance but this was the beginning of the Reign of Terror so Triple H wasn’t gonna have that. But you’re right. This should’ve been a way bigger feud than it was.
You guys think that Triple H had way more power than he actually had. While he may have had a lot of control, he wasn't even close to Vince's power. Blame Vinnie Mac, he obviously decides everything in the end
We just cant have nice things.
@@Chase_H Nobody is implying that Trips had as much stroke as Vince, however, as the CHAMPION OF THE COMPANY'S FLAGSHIP TELEVISION PROGRAM he had a hell of a lot of stroke. Definitely enough to dictate how he was booked and who he worked with and how. If Trips had of wanted to, Booker T would've walked out of WM 19 as the champion and after all the BS that Trips said about Booker, he should've lost the title to Boooker.
Alas, it wasn't in the cards. Not only did Trips get racial on Booker (I don't believe Bruce as far as I can throw him. Bruce has been proven to be a liar more than once), but he also completely buried Booker. Pinning Booker after hitting the Pedigree and LAYING ON THE MAT FOR DAMN NEAR AN ENTIRE MINUTE BEFORE THROWING ONE ARM OVER HIM!! Booker wouldn't find his way back to the title picture for 3+ years. Thus began Hunter's reign of terror on Raw from 2003-2005 where he'd bury such people as Booker T, Lance Storm, RVD, Nash, Goldberg, and Orton.
@@SSJ2Phenom he also buried Kane
So all of us black people should of not looked at that angle between Booker & HHH as racist.....Bruce you can't clean that one up
If Booker was fine with it, then I'm cool with it. People forget that this is scripted entertainment. Booker signed off on what HHH said that night
Matthew Minor Triple h is a fucking racist he is friends with Shawn Michaels and Shawn Michaels is a racist Triple h putting black paint on his face acting like the rock Triple h and Shawn Michaels spray paint N word on the lockers in the locker rooms and they blame it on the hart foundation Triple h haves a very big track record of being racist there's no excuse
@@matthewminor8745 i think the problem is the outcome of the build up. If they went with that racist promo to draw heat on triple h. But if you goes that route, the babyface has to win. They went totally the other way and even worse, made Booker t look like a fool when triple h took 13 seconds to pin him.
@ariel make em mad Exactly, no shit Triple H was lowkey being racist. It was a heel promo! Damn these people act like they have never seen someone talk shit to another man. Do these idiots think that shit was real heat between Hunter and Booker? Hell no
TrueWisdomAsherite80 pull the race card somewhere else mate.
It wasn't just the one promo, Booker's mugshot being plastered around the build, and the fact trippers literally threw money at Booker like he was a servant doesn't hold water.
Go and be outraged on twitter or whatever the place is for trumped up wrestling drama. HHH is easily the biggest super villian in the history of wrestling, and worse things have been said and implied to get crowds to hate them. You all get on like Booker was forced into it, I 100% bet that he was all for it.
@@Lolp821 whatever, boot licker
@@harveycryst222 The "It's been too long since I posted and I don't care, but I do so I'll just say whatever and try to insult" response. I guess only black people get arrested and have a mug shots taken, and only black people are servants, I get it. Wrestling isn't real, this promo is not real life.
@@Lolp821 you haven't said anything of note to counter argue my initial comment i made 3 yrs ago but said "go be outraged on twitter" & made a round about insult about how "it's still real to me"
Do me a favor, shut your childish dumb ass up, get some sunlight & go touch grass. Consider yourself dealt with. Boot licker.
HHH once asked Lita to dance for a dollar. This everything is racist if a white guy does it stuff is rediculous.
And there's HHH with what was essentially the WCW Title.
“First of all,the plan was always for Hunter to go over.” ALWAYS THE PLAN AT THIS TIME...just ridiculous
That's not true though. The plan wasn't always for Hunter to win. They changed the outcome closer to mania for whatever reasons.
"Nappy hair" can be taken only one way, Bruce
Donal exactly
Funny. In the 90s nappy hair was a bad thing to say. No one was offended. It was just a descriptor to describe a type of hair.
Now its offensive because peoples lives have become so great, they actively look for things to be mad about.
@@tonygucciano6875 tf makes you think you're the person who gets to say "no one was offended" in this issue?
@@dthomscappello
Thats fair. In my experience people I knew didn't seem to care. I said things to them and they said things to me that you can't say now and I think we were all closer for it.
People seemed closer in the 90s. Our differences weren't constantly highlighted and exploited. At that time we were conditioned to focus on our similarities and what brought us together.
I think people are being conditioned to take more offense than they used to, be angrier than they used to even if the offender had no malice. People are being divided more and more and being taken advantage of.
@@tonygucciano6875 Look. I appreciate this response. I was also around back then and I think there are bits of truths to what you're saying. However, I do remember a dark side to the times where we didn't police each other over language as much. Yes, we had less tense conversations, but I think it was also under a hidden dynamic of status that someone who's black might have been more aware of than someone like you and me. A Booker T knew back then he couldn't really do anything about what HHH said, even if he was offended (which he might very well have not been). I mean, I remember the stuff Opie and Anthony were saying on air waves back then, and I remember Don Imus' comment; that was definitely coming from some bizarre impulse from an ethnic working class that was more and more identifying itself as white. Always struck me as funny in hindsight as an Italian- 90 years ago we would have been considered anything but by the WASPs who ran this country. So while racial objectifying may not have been *acknowledged* back then, I do believe it was still happening.
That said, I do agree with you that identity is clearly being weaponized more these days by corporate interests (through platforms like media, brands, advertising, etc). Why? Could be a few things: to divide us, or keep us in "tribal" categories because we're easier to sell to that way. Or perhaps, as power and wealth concentrates more and more in the hands of fewer and fewer people these days, keeping us at each other's throats ensures those at the top stay in charge.
With that in mind, I'll say thank you for the dialogue and appreciate your pov.
Switch "potentially" with "blatantly"
Official Something To Wrestle with Bruce Prichard Fair point.
They wanted only one babyface to be crowned as a world champion at WM....yet, a couple of years later, both Cena and Batista won their 1st world title....and they both were babyfaces...
FOH with that BS!!
hus hus I get what you’re saying, but both Cena and Batista winning at WM21 was just showing that they were moving into the next generation of superstars.
@@barrymccockiner773 Which is ironic considering that Batista is around the same age as Triple H. He wasn't a young guy like Cena or Orton at the time.
Dennis Williams it was still his coronation. Everyone knows Batista started late, he was still the next generation at that time
Hus Qua I’m not saying Booker shouldn’t have won, he should’ve.
Don’t forget Eddie and Chris Benoit
I like when Conrad takes Bruce to task. Good job man!
Thank you, pointer of the obvious
Bruce truthbombed conrad.
I prefer when he calls out Bischoff for all his sh!t. Especially him ruining Starrcade 97 because Sting wasn't tanned.
@@supportpatriarchyordietrying Oh, you must be talking about the time that Sting was battling addiction, beefing with his wife and not working out at all, lol
@@bradnimbus4836 Sting screwed Sting?
I call bullshit that promo was super racist you can't tell me Triple H telling Booker T to shine his shoes for a dollar wasn't racist or Flair telling him to carry his bag.
AlwaysLookCool 729 I do but its about Triple H getting his comeuppance if Booker drop the belt back to him nobody wouldn't be as mad what pisses people off is the fact that he said those racist comments, joked that he should shine his shoes, and had Flair telling him to carry his bags just to have a match at wrestlemania that ended with Triple H burying him for no reason and no rematch or real mention of the feud and the WWE thought giving him the world title in a goofy king gimmick was good enough reparations for it not to mention a year to back Triple H vaguely brought it back uup when he decided to joke about firing him.
Exactly they do that all the time Vince don't care
Loads of people got that treatment, white or black, you just want it to fit what you think - I would nearly guess you barely watch wrestling. Why are you all so triggered over a promo, in wrestling, by easily the biggest super villain in history? Actually, that's how good he was at being a bad guy, you're all still annoyed. The only part that made it seem a bit racey was the nappy hair part, and even then that's a description of hair texture that isn't seen as derogatory anymore.
Bruce really thought bringing up The Rock saying nappy hair was a good point 🤣
Lmao exactly what I thought! He’s a cheese ball
Scott Steiner experiment......you mean making him a babyface......he is & will always be a heel....that's why it didn't work
TrueWisdomAsherite80 they must've not watched him in wcw lol
That was stupid. The big poppa pump gimmick is a bonafide heel. I didn't understand why they made him a babyface.
@Scott Stapp the problem is that since they knew Scott Steiner was limited at that time, they should've made his matches shorter. That's what hindered Goldberg. I love Goldberg, but in his first run, his matches were too damn long and it exposed him. And let's face it, Triple H in 2003 wasn't good either. He couldn't move much, he was too bulky.
“iT WaS AbOuT WcW” bro he ain’t give Scott that same energy bro trips used race to get heat and as a black man IT WORKED I’ll booo him forever but book not going over was some ye old kliq shit
Yeah, there's definite race undertones with it, but he is a bad guy, if everyone heard the things heels said or did to get hated, then we'd all be dead from talking. I hope all the same people here were in the Django Unchained comments saying about the stuff in that, cause just like that movie, it isn't real. I think people take the "It's still real to me" gag a bit too seriously.
As a black guy I didn't how know the comment section was gonna react but man thank yall for being real
In general, I agree. But I’m a bit disappointed no one called out his comment about Book towards the end. He’s raving about Book “being a man,” and then relating to that he recalls a time he asked Book, seemingly incredulous, “you’re Black, really?” It was, to me, the most cringey moment of the entire video.
Shine my shoes boy
I would've loved if Booker T got the title, HHH didn't need the win.
Bruce is a mark for his own bs and his own work. He's never wrong
No matter what hhh did, it always felt manufactured or unnatural when he was considered “upper card”.
And yet now when Prichard is back on the creative team, EVERY SINGLE BABYFACE WON at Wrestlemania 35
And...? He never said only WM, but you remember what he said however you want.
Bruce is so full of crap here. That promo was race fueled and clearly racist. Booker was on fire at this time and clearly should have gone over at Mania 19. It’s one of the worst burials of Triple H’s career. Bruce is full of crap he knows that promo was racist and Booker should have gone over
He sure is
Yep.
I Rewatched Raw and in 2003 booker was the most over wrestler on raw by a mile
My thing is why is it triple h had to explain himself to jim ross at a special interview that smae week. Also i hope triple h is not a racist but these "writers" did a damn good job making us think he is in real life.
Lol it's still real to you. So many think this is some off the cuff promo that wasn't agreed with everyone, it's also entertainment, a show, a movie. Reminds me of ones who even as kids thought attitude era stuff was real
I feel it’s safe to assume that most people felt that Booker T was likely going to win in the end and when this didn’t happen jaws dropped. The outcome would be like watching the 1989 version of Batman and having Nicholson’s Joker succeed in killing Keaton’s Batman in the end. The villain won and evil triumphed over good but this was a common theme in Triple H’s many reigns as World Champion back then.
Love how the Network edits the finish of this match.
Took HHH at least 2 minutes to make the cover on Booker, to end the match.
Top 5 on HHH's shovel list.
How much was Bruce sweating during the making of this episode?
John Jandoh
Felt longer being their in-person. Everton
John Jandoh it was 27 seconds, and looks even more ridiculous because Booker T does the work for HHH by rolling on his back before getting pinned.
I think the finish was botched but I agree that if you do the storyline that they went with then Booker T really should have won.
Should be titled - "Bruce lies through his teeth for 20:53."
Bruce got very defensive here. Not suggesting anything, just noticing.
Conrad put words in his mouth. At 15:50, he’s telling you HIS thoughts on it. He’s not Defending it at all.
@@claytron3000 He still got defensive rather if they were his words or not. Too bad he wasn’t defensive like this back before it happened.
The whole promo was about Booker T becoming Champ after a whole lot of other black wrestlers were never given the chance So race was a big part of it
Yeah, because those few black wrestlers never given the chance just because they black right? Just go home.
Yeah, I know it's old news but booker t should've gotten the nod here.
Agreed it was a no brainer it would've culminated the fued properly cause Hunter was a portrayed as this racist heel and yes he was a racist nappy hair he said he was only prove to be right at mania that sucks the left a horrible taste in mouths of those who oppose racism to the core message sent by wwe and their view of black people in general I don't buy that it was about wcw vs wwe no it was a racist rant by triple h brought out on his own
Knappy hair? What does that have to do with wcw?
Michael Zamora thank you, finally someone said it
Nappy hair was a nitro girl
@@RKO1988 B R U H
@RC Pilot Somebody's butthurt.
Promo was extremely racist made by HHH. Can't lie, it actually made my feelings about hhh, weird for a long time
Chris Grissom Are you honestly surprised? Look who his father in law is and Vince is good friends with Trump. So I’m not surprise to hear any of this lol
@@AfroAmerican8499 Triple H said this to get heat. Why does no one understand that? He said it to piss off as much people as he possibly could. And I don't think Trump is racist just because he wants to build a wall to prevent people from coming over here illegally when we can barely take care of ourselves but that's your opinion
Like A Boss Exactly. People are pissed off because a heel is being racist to get heat? The build did not match the result with Triple H cutting that promo but the worse thing was that the match did not put Book over at all. The match was terrible and the feud was blown off after manias day Book got no rub out of it. I actually have no problem with Triple H winning as the baby face goes over way too much at mania imo but the execution was terrible.
Triple Hs reign of terror resulted in massive wrestle mania moments for Benoit and Batista. Without Triple H And evolution dominating 2003-05 we don’t get those moments. I would rather see a Heel being built up than a baby face like Super Cena making every Heel in the company look weak
What are you 3, they aren't his words.
@Black American Muh raycissm. I bet Trump still lives in your head rent-free.
Booker should have beat Triple H. Could have had a spec. appearance by Stevie Ray and maybe even Sister Sherri to get Book the win.
Sherry already passed away. Stevie Ray needed to make a WWE appearance.
Would of been better goin over clean
@@marka.graffakasnakebitenat3736 This was in 2003. Sherri didn’t pass away until 2007
JYD was arguably the most over wrestler of all in the deep south in the 70s and 80s
listen to Pritchard.....would someone get this upset if none of this were true?
People also get upset when you keep getting cut off by a interviewer.
As someone who gets very upset when I am Misunderstood or misrepresented, I will say yes people do get upset like that when things are not true. I will also add that it doesn't change the fact that Pritchard is wrong AF.
Booker T has always been a Yes man for the business, he always wanted the reputation of being easy to work with and being on the positive side of business. of course he's not going to have a problem with it, his Career is on the line!!
One problem is Booker never got another real shot at the title from HHH again so you can't defend this bt saying they have to give the baby face something to overcome when it's one and done
@Bryan Mack It ended in a no contest due to Jericho/Flair constantly interfering. All really to set up Triple H attacking Nash and their feud.
Booker T got fucked over.
@@jacobwilliams1223 Not to mention that feud sucked between Triple H and Nash
@@FireAngelChris What kills me about it is that you could've kept their shitty feud. Just make it personal, best friends going against each other doesn't need the title, could've let Triple H feud with Nash, have Booker T hold the World Title in that period, and have H win it back at SummerSlam if you insist on not giving it to Goldberg then (Though he should've won it there)
@@jacobwilliams1223 That’s what pissed me off the most the title didn’t even need to be involved in that crappy feud. Not to mention triple H was hurt after that and still wouldn’t drop the title. It was horrible. The literally regulated Booker to the Mid card division for absolutely no reason. So absolutely could of had Booker T hold it until summerlsam and have triple h win it or Goldberg etc.
This was supposed to be a WCW versus WWF angle. Then Triple H decided to get some extra heat and made it racist. I think that’s what Bruce is trying to say without burying HHH.
He said it wasn't good what he said, but it is just wrestling. A heel being a heel, and HHH is easily the biggest heel ever in wrestling history. It was about half a foot over the line with nappy hair part, but that's all there was, the rest is perceived and what you want to hear. Booker and Hunter probably laugh at how much triggering there is from it still. HHH was just that good at being a bad guy.
But the clear thing to do was to have Booker win, carry the belt to June or so, and Trips gets it back.
Its Hard to hear Bruce defend that shit. I don't know how he could. Booker T was the man at the Wrestlemania. He should've won that match. But it didn't happen that way. Its sad. What's more sad? Bruce defend this story line , the HHH promos and him winning the match
He literally said Booker had "nappy hair"....I'm not sure how anyone could argue that it wasn't meant to be rascist.
The crowd's silence was deafening at the end of that match.
You are beautiful btw..
@@RAPSNINO stay thirsty my friend
Nappy isn't really seen as derogatory as it was a long time ago, if he said (and I censor myself in case YT decides to stealth hide my comment) "Nappy *backside* hair" except a 3 letter word in between, then that would be clearly racist, but it isn't real, it's a show. Nappy is just the description of African textured hair. But yeah, that part is the only bit that pushed it slightly over the edge, pushed the boundaries, but then again it was supposed to do that and he is a huge heel, possibly the biggest super villain in wrestling history. I guess it was such a good heel promo because so many are triggered about it over 15 years later, forgetting that it's not real, but it's still real to you.
@@Lolp821 lmao who tf are you to determine if that’s derogatory or not? Are you black? If not, it’s not your place to say if it wasn’t offensive. And miss me with that it wasn’t derogatory at that time. It was literally the early 00’s lol tf you talking about. I was OUTSIDE at that time and if any white person called my hair nappy, it would’ve been a problem.
That promo was racist and if they were gonna go there they should've at least put book over. Also if you think it's ok for Vince to say nigga on tv just because Booker says it doesn't bother him then you're crazy
Ace Dibiase book shouldn't bhave said it either. The word doesn't bring any good meaning to the world. So why is there much argument about it?
Same deal with million Dollar Man Roddy piper Virgil at survivor series. The black guy went over
Brandon Ryce book has a lot more right to say it than vince fucking mcmahon. But my point was bruce is saying booker was cool with as if he speaks for every black person
The issue isn’t so much the racist story arc (though that’s not the best route IMO), the issue is they let triple H win after saying all that shit, thus validating everything he said in terms of the messaging. More often than not WWF/WWE would sort of eventually have “justice” prevail in terms of the crowds desires and I simply can’t imagine a scenario where this was justifiable. I’m not black, but if I was a young black kid watching this at the time and seeing triple H win it would be incredibly demoralizing to me.
Conrad. You are the man for this. Shout out to you. 👏👏👏👏👏
But Scott stiner was a wcw guy and hunter puts him over at the end. I don’t believe it was about “wcw guys”
john Carlos And not to mention Ric Flair,the biggest WCW guy of them all is in his corner and is his idol so def bullshit.
I can’t remember a time when anyone got insulted on this level and didn’t win the world title
I usually agree with Bruce but he was waaaay off on this episode.
Too bad we wouldn't see Booker T. finally win the championship until 'WWE The Great American Bash 2006' when Rey Mysterio dropped it to him.
Almost 3½ years too late...
The reason the WCW logic doesnt make sense is because that would mean he’s shitting on Flair also. Flair represents WCW and “Southern Rasslin” more than anyone so cut the bullshit. HHH was getting his rocks off with that shit. As a black man,for me personally Conrad is the perfect example of all I ask from my white friends. The context is the context,it is what it is but if encounter another white person validating racist bullshit...take em to task. This isnt the first time either,Conrad is a good dude in my book. Bruce really is making me miss Tony already smh
Triple H got so lucky with his career after marrying the bosses daughter
Marc Pena but he was already a top guy before the got together
john Carlos true but once Austin and the Rock left and the addition of being the bosses son in law he was going over on guys way way more than ever
Marc Pena yeah, I can see that. He definitely had more pull when they got together. Definitely went over more than once when he shouldn’t have but I still think he is one of the greats of his generation. Not the greatest but certainly in the top tier
2002-2005 RAW was fucking awful because Triple H had a stranglehold on the main event. People have both jokingly and seriously referred to this time period as the "Reign of Terror" for a reason. I've always felt -- much the way that Jim Cornette does, admittedly -- that Triple H isn't really the guy who could be the top draw with just anybody. He always worked best when he had a much better talent across the ring from him.
He's a good worker, and he's obviously an expert at backstage politics. But was he really ever "the guy" if you're being honest?
nobcheesy first of all hhh and Stephanie weren’t together at the time. Second of all 97 to 2001 is the hottest time in wrestling history the rocky hunter feud is one of the greatest of all time in my opinion but we all have our own opinions
It’s just amazing how HHH is always just coincidently benefitting from these perfect storms of circumstances.
Vince just makes a decree of only one new champion. Like really? It was all to make Lesnar seem like THE guy? Like anyone would have ever thought his win was any less big.
Then the narrative/excuse of needing one match on the card has to be the one to end with a single finisher to keep up the reputation of the idea because Rock/Austin and Kurt Angle/Lesnar are kicking out of multiple ones. So of course HHH gets to be that guy.
Then the happy ending shit. Didn’t get one with Austin. Matt Hardy cheated and beat Rey. But the heel has to retain so that we don’t always get happy endings, and it just so happens HHH is in that spot.
So full of shit. Booker should have won. There’s really no debate to be had.
What got me was how he kept saying let’s look at the totality of the build okay gladly.
Booker wins the Battle Royal and Triple H does the whole people like you promo. Ric Flair then tells Booker a week or two later this after Booker explained his past.
“You were dealt a card. Not a bad card just a card that doesn’t say World Heavyweight Champion” Ric then in that same segment told Booker to either carry their bags to the limo and give them a ride around town....”doing the one job you are qualified for” or to take a beating from Triple H. Booker T drops him and goes after Triple H.
When he finds him Triple H offered a dollar to get a towel....Booker stomps him out for that.
THEN even during the commentary during the Wrestlemania match all King was doing was bringing up his past and kept saying he’s a thug.....so how was this WWE vs WCW? Other than that initial line about WCW being a joke
Brock’s night? Why couldn’t it b booker night?
The problem with the angle was that it was never made clear to the audience that "people like you" referred to WCW wrestlers as opposed to black wrestlers.
The same year he lost the belt to a WCW wrestler in Goldberg. Then turned around and lost it to another WCW guy at wrestlemania 20 in Benoit
And in his previous feud with WCW guy Scott Steiner literally one month prior, HHH never said to Steiner "people like you don't get to be world champion." HHH never told Steiner "fetch me a towel". HHH never told Steiner "people like you aren't here to be competitors."
@@dcap79 Precisely so either way it was crap
Has there ever been a segment where a wrestler's criminal background was brought up in such a manner...?
Not race related that I can think of, but what about Austin bringing up Jake Robert's drug problems?
Austin Aries did it to MVP in TNA
He wasn't trying to be racist like HHH tho
Nathan Jones
Bruce constantly talking against his own straw-man arguments while dodging the actual question. Conrad nailed it: if booker cant win at wm, dont let this type of promo happen. No excuse for it. Do a different build. Oh and then bruce brings up a random story about someone else so he can act offended at racism...
This fucking farce was literally my breaking point with wrestling. I can't believe the WWE thought "Letting the Racist win" was a good way to end that "fued."
Cry harder the superior race won
King Shovel is worse than Hickenbottom.
jc 23 and to make it even worse, H isn’t even half the performer of HBK
The real point is, that it was WCW a promotion in the south that put the belt on the first black wrestler, not the largest promotion in New York.
people like you dont get to be wwe champion, people who go to prison, pay their debt to society and try to make good, they dont win out in the end, ex cons like Black Ass Booker T.
i wanted with ALL MY HEART for Book to win, but I'll NEVER forget that promo never forget that loss either...
Really disappointed with prichard here. Good job conrad not letting him get away with it
They always pick on booker for things like these i remember when gold dust was dressed as under cover brother and warned booker about Shawn saying Shawn didn’t like people like them
mhhh... I know Bruce and Booker T are friends and white people with black friends and companies that employ so "diversely" as WWE does can't possibly have racist connotations in their pathology. LOL. I forgot Triple H even said the nappy head bit but I remember the carry my bags part. Besides Bruce's defensiveness on the issue WWE has been much more subtly bigoted in my time as a fan. I'm used to it as an American citizen. It really doesn't hurt as much as liberal minded people seem to think. The Rock never leaving Wrestlemania with a title. X-Pac in black face. Piper in half-black face. Slick. Akeem. The homoerotic Velveteen Dream. The emo-Buffonish New Day. DX vandalizing The Nation's locker room writing racial epitaphs on their stuff. Junkyard Dog in the slave chains. Virgil as DiBiase's house nigga. Kamala the Ugandan giant. Papa Shango. Wild Samoan's. Chief Jay Strongbow, Tatanka, Cryme Tyme, R-Truth in the confederate suit (which I actually loved by the way), Vince's "My nigga" sketch and burning Titus O'Neal with those laser eyes for touching him. Despite the Jim Crow/Ole Anderson south's reputation the Massachusetts/Connecticut region is pretty prevalent for overtly racist white men and Triple H is easy to perceive as a racist in his pathology but they probably wanted to get heat in the humiliate the opponents of "Triple H way" that they did for that reign of terror that he was on back then and in the grand scheme of all of the ill-spirited things they've ever done this is pretty tame and it's all intended to be entertaining.
What does Velveteen Dream have to do with any of of that?
very true honestly. I dont agree with your first line (unless it was sarcasm) and that last line "entertaining" but you hit the nail on the head.
This was the same overall period as Katie Vick, HLA and other "Shock factors just for the sake of shock factor". So I 100% believe that they at least HINTED at racism in this angle there.
Al Wilson too.
I remember reading at the time that Booker T was originally supposed to beat HHH at WrestleMania 19, but then WWE signed Goldberg and HHH persuaded Vince that he should have a long title run so that it'd mean more when/if Goldberg beat him.
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I also remember hearing rumours that the original plan for WrestleMania 19 was HHH vs Nash, but Nash's quad injury hadn't healed in time, and WWE may have wanted to save some matches for after WrestleMania anyway (such as Rock vs Goldberg, and HHH vs Nash).
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Supposedly, Booker T addressed his time in prison on various radio shows before WrestleMania 19 so that it wouldn't later emerge as a "scandal" after he'd won the title from HHH.
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12:48 Bruce might be right that Vince only wanted one title change at WrestleMania 19, because - according to the Wrestling Observer - there was a backlash against HBK winning the title in 2002, as some felt that it upstaged the Brock / Big Show title match on the same show, and there was already criticism of HHH diluting Brock's WWE title win earlier in 2002 by creating a new world title for himself immediately afterwards.
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All of that said: I can understand the logic behind HHH retaining the title (even though I think that Booker T should have at least gotten some revenge for the racial remarks), but I don't understand why HHH had to wait so long before pinning Booker T after the Pedigree, because it needlessly made Booker T look weak, in my opinion.
It was racist and I loved it. I’m not a racist but it brought great heat and really pushed the narrative of wanting to see booker beat him. My problem ain’t on the promo. It’s all scripted if booker was fine with it then why complain. But I had a problem with triple h winning. Booker could have won then lost it at the next ppv. I don’t care for the rascim but don’t portray yourself as a racist bad guy and then win. That’s a complete burial I’m sorry.
Facts
The worst thing was Triple H is saying all of this shit...and Booker is just standing there like a fucking dolt.
That made him look like a grade A bitch and a joke.
StuUngar Yeah I was willing to even forgive that but of course triple H had to win.
Naruto Can Kill Goku That was a bad era. Wrestling lost almost all of their remaining casual fans from the Attitude Era.
Words can’t describe how hated Triple H was during that period. X-Pac heat shouldve been called “Triple H/Jeff Jarrett heat.”
Lol I remember in 05-06, TNA crowds were chanting “Drop-the-title..clap clap, clap clap clap..drop the title.”
Both men seemed to have the same inferiority complex and thought they would be on the same level as Randy Savage and Andre the Giant is they just booked themselves to beat everyone.
Naruto Can Kill Goku uncle tom!!
Chap stick city..... Sheesh
Also, I hate how they tried to make WCW seem small and weak. Booker was more talented than HHH so just because Russo made the storylines a joke for a year it doesn't wipe out the rest of WCW/NWA history or discredit the talent.
"Get your chap-stick out, mother-fucker!...".
--Conrad Thompson.
shocker, hunter gets over at mania
This is the segment that turned me off of this podcast. Salute to Conrad though.
There was boring wrong with the promo or build up to the match between Booker T and HHH. The problem was that HHH won, making everything he said appear to be true. Booker should have won that match, no questions asked. And sounds like he was suppose to originally, but HHH talked Vince out of it. Typical Hunter during his "reign of terror" days.
Assuming you meant nothing wrong, I agree. He's a heel doing heel stuff and I agree with Pritchard that people are just picking out words or promos to focus on to be outraged. HHH beat everybody, even Sting cleanly in his debut and only ever match. But yeah the biggest crime was Booker losing.
Whoever doesn't see the racism here is blatantly ignorant to thoughts beyond their own.
If Booker t was Jewish and WWE made disrespectful comments about jews..would have been major backlash
Andre E- Good example/point, there...
I have no issue with the promo. They really messed up by having booker lose.
100% HHH was meant to be portrayed as a bigot, they just messed the landing up at WrestleMania....How does Book not win the belt? Wow
HHH beats nearly everyone, a worse crime than book not winning the belt was Sting finally debuting in WWE and only having 1 match which was against Hunter, and Sting lost cleanly in the ring 1 2 3.
"Well, no, first of all-" Aka "I love Vince and want to secure my future job so I'm going to defend some reprehensible shit."
Bruce: oh I don't get behind nappy hair either!! That was gold lol
I wanted Steiner vs HHH at Mania. And why didn't you mention HHH taking 30 minutes to do the cover on Booker?
14:42, Bruce is getting upset saying there cant always be a happy ending and the heel has to go over sometimes, yeah then explain that to your boss when it came to having Cena burying the Nexus.
What has Cena and Nexus have to do with there not always having a happy ending?
Got a lot of respect for the guy asking the questions.
Triple H burying Booker T at WrestleMania was fucking scandalous.... Then Sting years later......ridiculous that's all I can say, embarrassing, pathetic.
Man, glad to see most of yall saw through this BS. This changed wrestling for me. We always knew what time it was in WWE but this cemented it.
Watching the promo and then hearing someone reciet it sounded extremely racist
I think the plan was to put the title on Booker T at Mania, but the plan changed along the way. No way Booker would agree to the comments from HHH and the writers for him to Still lose.
Yea. The angle was very harsh to not come out on top.
Do you know Booker?
@@Lolp821 yeah hes my neighbour
Wow Bruce not sure what bookers “nappy” hair has anything to do with wcw but okay
Bruh..14:00, when he says "get your chapstick out motherfucker" I died🤣🤣🤣🤣
Lol Bruce you can't defend this one "brother" lol
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Bruce is really going out of his way to defend why the evil, racist antagonist (character wise) should’ve won..
I have no words.
Cry harder pu$$y
As a white guy and a 9 year old kid in 2003 who thought this whole angle made triple h look racist an made booker t look weak.....now and then i thought booker t was awesome in the ring and hilarious and should have won that night....I love how Bruce was defending this storyline so hard and conrad has his opinions and wise cracks throughout the video on the subject 14:44- 14:55 is where conrad drops the hammer with the checkmate quote lol
It didnt bother that booker lost considering this was the beginning of the reign of terror but that promo with triple h and ric flair on booker or when triple h gave booker a dollar and said get me a towel that's was so fucking ignorant....different words could have made this so different and the match ending didnt help trips kicks out of Booker's finishers and he even broke out the Harlem hangover and that didnt beat him either but 1 pedigree and 30 seconds later for him to cover him and he lost
Another example of how WWE just shit all over WCW talent in order to spite them.
The saddest point came when Booker said to HHH some of the things you said were true. I would have never said that, that was very low to agree with any of what HHH said I don't care how much money Vince offered I would never ever have agreed to that skit.
You obviously have never heard Booker talk or know much about him. He always said they may be true, not that they were true, but you remember it however you want. It's clear majority here are doing that, the same with this 20 minute video that they also haven't listened to.
It’s amazing to me how these two guys try to downplay to racism in that speech towards Booker T.
Racism towards Booker T? Booker has never ever came across as someone hung up on race like seemingly every black person ever. They're downplaying it because it's not real i.e. not real life. I bet so may here don't even watch wrestling, or haven't watched it in a long time and didn't really when they did. You act like he was victimised and HHH needs to be charged with hate speech. Was Jamie Foxx subjected to racist speech in Django Unchained also? The answer is no.
That "everybody on the roster cannot be on" argument hasn't aged well, wrestlemania is 2 nights long now
bruce trying to justified that because he still have business ties with wwe ... im glad conrad didnt him let him get away with that ... it was horrible promo and if so BOOKER SHOULDVE WON.... WWE couldnt get aawy wit this in this climate now .. they wouldve been in so much trouble for this promo but .. reguardless of the matter booker had a good run prob the best run from wcw going into wwe ... but he shouldve won bottom line