Where Does Your Sense of Self Come From? A Scientific Look | Anil Ananthaswamy | TED
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- Our memories and bodies give us clues about who we are, but what happens when this guidance shifts? In this mind-bending talk, science writer Anil Ananthaswamy shares how the experiences of "altered selves" -- resulting from schizophrenia, Alzheimer's, foreign limb syndrome or other conditions -- shed light on the constructed nature of identity. He breaks down where our sense of self comes from and invites us to challenge our assumptions about who we are, with the aim of building a better you and a better world.
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I can't speak for anyone else's version of themselves, but I can say this...Most often, reality is simply the most socially agreed upon hallucination
I think that "self" evolved from our animal ancestors into a more complex phenomenon in humans. Knowing that your toe is not food is important. Conscious self is our nervous system continuously seeking equilibrium.
Okay, but your friends whole body is food , if you get stranded in the middle of nowhere for 90 of days, and he/she dies from poor nutrition or from the predator instinct in you, when awakened, when the hunger becomes unbearable.
@@playgirl7305 Yes but when it is not about survival, keeping your mate alive is much more constructive for any practical purpose.
@@monkeycousin3382 not quite true for every species, some females for example , like the black widow spider kill and eat the male after mating. For the poor young guy, they locked into their spider webs, it is his first and last time.
I always have wondered about the cannibals: how are they, how were they able to distinguish between men to eat and men not to be eaten
@@playgirl7305the Self protects, promotes and progresses. It's a mechanism to protect the body. The Self still fits for cannibalism. The mind can have extremes. Vegan and cannibalism. Being hungry is still part of the Self.
I was expecting to hear something about Depersonalisation as well. It's also affecting one's sense of self. I've had it constantly for 20 years now, and it feels like I'm unreal.
As someone with disociation, i understand you, i also thought it will be about that too.
Guessing this is dissociation?
Does it impact your behavior? No judgement, none at all I’m genuinely curious and this is a human problem, so do you have impulses or such that aren’t of yourself?
“A Metaphor of Play. Origin and breakdown of personal being” by R. Meares
My current opinions on the sense of self first came from the thought experiment "The Ship of Theseus". It's a fascinating, very relevant experiment, and the super dumbed-down version boils down to, "is a ship that has had all its components replaced still the same ship?"
As of right now, Encyclopedia Brittanica has a theological solution for this. Having come from a science background, my argument is that the ship never is the same ship from one snapshot in time to the next, from large-scale changes such as weathering and oxidation, to other chemical processes being maintained in dynamic equilibrium, and down to quantum processes that are never the same configuration from one moment to the next.
The same can be said of people.
Our constant changes get layered on to our selves with each passing second like layers on a tree ring. We are same same but different.
Outstanding presentation! Thank you!
12:28 Awareness…that’s what I am, that’s my ‘story’. Perception is awareness from a single point of knowledge. I exist at the moment of my current awareness, the ‘Now’, if you will. An analogy would be the spray created on the crest of a wave. I am the spray. The world is how it’s described, change the description, change the world. To be honest, words aren’t adequate to define life, to fluid, but hey, it’s all we’ve got. Existence is one, described as many. In my humble opinion, of course.
I love these Ted talks. Much love to Anil Ananthaswamy and all my brothers and sisters around the world. :)
For some one who battled with depersonalisation for quite a bit , I dont get how people are not freaked out about thoughts like this ? They dont seem to get how strange and weird everything really and truely is. He is also claming to know alot about the topic , but admits mid talk that "they dont know" about the sense of self and the persitent feeling of "I". I still take the stance that "we dont know" and "all i know is nothing" really.. Cause really I was thinking about the sense of self alot the past few days and I was thinking back to my biggest schizophrenic/dissociated states and even there this sense of self ( Observer what I call it ). I was some how still aware about everything in the back of my mind, now I know thats subjective and there are many other examples where people completely black out etc. but how is it possible? I also had a lot of heavy anxiety attacks , where all I could think about was dying etc. not one single clear thought , but yet again the Observer fully intact and in Action. All you can take away from this Video really is the based opinion about life at the end. Cause after all thats all you can do. He talked about Alzheimers, also a thought that popped alot up in my head when i thought about this topic especially when it comes to Soul or no Soul. How is it possible for some mid-endstage patients to suddenly be fully present once they hear their favorite music piece ? I think getting Alzheimers might actually be one of the worst Conditions out there , which of course it is on their own , like Prion Diseases etc, but I think that even there that the observer is present. Kinda horryfing to think about , that you are actually trapped some how , but only the machine / nervous system / brain not working properly. For me this life is only bearable if there is something else after this one , id like to think that this is a really stupid learning experience and that we are trapped in this shithole until we got it ? Why ? Who cares ? Creator ? Why not. Cause everything else is really depressing and there is a reason existentialism was / is a thing. Albert Camus was a good example. "There is only one really serious philosophical problem´and that is suicide". There is also a argument to be made that there is so many weird stuff going on on this planet , been going on , so many past civilizations , who all had strong beliefs , who all even started to give us even the slightest ideas about souls/higher planes of existence. So yea.. for anyone who came here to have a fix for his existential depression , unlucky , nothing new was said. Base Reality is pretty depressing and everyone who says different is just not honest , or succesfully built a huge wall of cope around him. Cause all this guy saying , legit is : that i am currently some sort of weird meat ball , that some how is sentient , that some how is sitting in front of his computer for no other reasons than dopamine i guess? who doesnt really need to survive anymore cause he has shelter and food and i guess thats it. Didnt even make a claim about where thoughts/ideas come from , I guess hes just randomly researching all of this while living the narrative in his head that he is that guy now and nothing else. Like how do people who go on big stages and talk about something like this even live their own life ? Thats how they operate ? "Well I am living this narrative now, until lights go out i guess" lol? How is it possible that my thoughts sometimes have more weight in physical reality than everything else ? How is it possible that im thinking about certain things and they randomly happen a few days later? Im sure some of you who might read this had simular Experiences at least once in their lifes, where they been like "WTF" that did not just happen. Some of those Guys are so narrow minded , i dont want to turn this in to a schizzo rent for no reason. Id suggest some Donald Hoffman as long as hes not some one who is also talking about uncertainties too. He is getting pretty deep in to this stuff.
This is easily one of the best presentations I’ve ever watched
I watched a movie recently called Split. This talk reminded me of that.
Thanks so much
All time hers .. mother nature has got them, just show them love, they are still One 👥
This is top-of-the-line. I recently enjoyed a similar book, and it was top-of-the-line. "The Art of Saying No: Mastering Boundaries for a Fulfilling Life" by Samuel Dawn
The SELF once experienced makes all illusions fall away, that’s when you realize the difference between the REAL eternal SELF and the limited/illusory ego self
How do you experience the self though...what is your real self, in your opinion?
This video is so timely. I’m currently working on a self love video and this video reaffirms my beliefs of the self. Thank you so much! 💕
Refreshing to hear someone glean a positive out of this. The rest of us are insane.
@@mr.c2485 absolutely not 😂 it’s just very hard for us humans to live in uncertainty. I wouldn’t call anyone insane for that
Anil Seth, Anil Ananthaswamy and Sam Harris need to be together on a podcast. Please. Pleeeeeaaassseeeee.
This is a scientific take on the exact same teachings of the Buddha: that we don't have a permanent self but the self is a process that hallucinates reality.
Awareness is known by awareness alone.
I like the idea of respawning over and over again.
😂😂 I love this description of reincarnation
Just like a video game
I doubt life isn't a game
Like salmon…😊
I might be misunderstanding, but he seems to be saying that if the perception of a thing breaks in some brains, then the thing itself is "constructed" and therefore an "illusion." By analogy, if a subset of people hallucinate that the stage he's on is covered with snakes, I don't think that implies that the more common perception of the stage (as not covered with snakes) is also unreal. Even if we construct our model of the stage from perceptual clues, we can still hypothesize that there is an objective stage, which most people perceive with approximate fidelity. That may turn out not to be the case, but I don't think his logic suffices to eliminate the possibility or even to cast much doubt on it. Similarly, even if some brains apparently misperceive identity, it doesn't mean that identity doesn't exist or is not fundamental.
Notwithstanding the above, I love his gentle approach to folks who have different perceptions, and his reasoned, curious inquiry into the nature of consciousness.
Maybe he's only making the lesser assertion, that just because we perceive something -- even if it's compelling and most of us agree on it -- it still may not be true.
Sort of. Nothingness is not something we can describe accurately or perceive so we have to think about it philosophically. What he is trying to say is that we, within our sense of "self" are the only thing we have to know if anything is real. So if we were to say, die, we wouldn't be real anymore. So for you the object no longer exists because you are not there to perceive it or ever be aware of it's existence.
You keep saying WE can do this, WE can hypothesize that. We can only discuss things because we are here and alive to discuss them. If you don't exist and nothing is real, who is We? This is called death... Think back to before you were born. You can't. There was simply nothing. It's not even something we can describe. Before you were born you weren't around to know anything existed. So how could then have anything possibly existed? Where's the reality? The unborn are infinite. The universe is infinite. We only get one chance to experience it in the bodies we are given. Don't waste it. Because death is weird.
From the autonomy of our bodies (and minds) and the differentiation between them. Of course, the self as a separate being from the rest of the world is an illusion, for we're intrinsically connected with everything that exists.
The base of reality is consciousness
@@itssameLuigi If so, then how does reality continue, even when one is unconscious? Why does time not stand still, and when one awakes from a coma, years latter, they too have aged? Can it not be said, that reality is real, regardless to consciousness, then?
There are MANY illusions of the human mind...like, free will, ego, self, time (etc). But, we must ask...are these illusions a bad thing that needs to be addressed? How / why did humans develop them as a species? I think the answer may reveal, it was a net positive in our development.
Today! I found a word for the thing i didn't knew what to call. "sense of self"
Cognitive discenence.
Wasn't it called "theory of mind"?
Thank you, you bring tears to my reality. We are here now as One. It is wonderful to marvel at 🔮
We are not fungus
You got Multiple Personallity and they came together to watch this vid great :D
I m a persion who has not kept a single pic of passed I have only few pasport size pic if a person come exectly same as I'm today I will not recnise him that he look like me ..only if other people say that this persion looks exactly like me then only I will that this guys looke like me., And i did only to not potry my self in my memory..thank you
Vedanta tells that " the Self" is both a witness(.Sakshi) and the experiencer. It is witness to all that happens in my waking, dreaming and deep sleep states. It is also the experiencer- as stated in Chapter 15 of Bhagavadgita. I am neither body, nor mind or intellect. My real nature is Self or Atma Chaitanya. This is what happens in very deep meditation- samadhi.
It cames from spirit...
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I feel like I have zero sense of self..m everything keeps changing rapidly... I have absolutely no idea who I really am... I have no idea what I believe in or what I feel ....
Insightful 😊
I agree...so interesting!!
Fax, bless them for they are Eye as well ⛲
"It's possible that the experiencing I is also an illusion. In the sense of being a construction, a construction without a constructor." Can't decipher what he was saying here.
Check the explanations on sense of self by Sam Harris
The I will not remain yet what the eye has taken will always be
On a fortune cookie?
Me.
It is malleable, we are play doh 🥂
Trying to ascribe sense and draw lessons from cognative disorders and creating non-sense in the process.
Infinite number of universes, one soul. Every possibility happening at the same time is consciousness.
Want the right answer to the question 'Who am I?'. Check the fabulous work of Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi on self-enquiry!!!
If the self is a construction and an illusion. Why we live this illusion ? I mean, it’s hard for me to believe that this « self » is a pure illusion made by our physical brain.
Yes, it is hard to believe.....but that's how truly convincing the illusion is. Ironically, it also bears testament to the magnificent complexity of the human brain and its exquisite functioning.
My dog learned to recognize himself from a mirror, after I thought him the image was a reflection of him, and not another dog. Nowadays he always checks himself from a mirror when we go out, and grooms if he sees necessary.
What method worked to teach him?
@@straydogontheroad He saw me speaking from the mirror, and heard my voice coming from behind him. Also the bit that I wasn't giving any fear vibes helped too. At one early lesson I tricked him to believe there was "a different world" behind the glass. When realized he was tricked, he got a bit pissed of me, but learned a lesson. He has also taken the piss back at me since, once he took the treat after a well performed trick, and went on and dropped it into my shoe while going back to bed, reason being the treat wasn't good enough.
Eye identify as " it's / theirs "
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That’s awesome!🎉
But what are we going to do for people who have no sense of self. Like a Sponge. Or Monsters.
Monsters are people too.
There seems to be a clothing convention for male Ted Talkers - comfortable, casual, untucked.
I wonder what the purpose is. Is this them? Is it meant to be approachable, proletariat, nonchalant?
I mean, it's fine, it works.
Tem tradutor?
Schizophrenia personalities allways push the person to do negative things either outright or through small actions. It is not random. We use to speak of these entities regularly in the past but if you even mention demons now people laugh at you and call you crazy while they pop their depression medications that don't work. Your self comes from your spirit. Once you have done something to open the door to your spirit that's when you get demons. Usually some tragic or horrific accident or event that breaks the person. We have seen the spark of life at the moment of conception, we have weighed the body at the time of death and we have video evidence of something leaving the body with our last breath. Science cannot explain the spirit. They should figure out where our thoughts originate from. Now how we think about it but why. Where do our thoughts come from? Get in a Faraday cage and get back InTouch with yourself. Don't meditate on nothing. Speak to yourself and reflect. The answers that come to you will surprise yourself. It's hard to do with all the EMR floating around though.
He doesn't demonstrate at all that the "sense of ownership" and "sense of agency" is a "construction". He just says that if it doesn't work properly then he thinks it must be a construction. Quick conclusion.
So the question is, do souls exist. Idk, what if schizophrenia is multiple souls fighting for one body. What if the sense of ownership comes with a soul getting access to the nerves of all the body. My guess is it's still impossible to know.
Lots of “what ifs”…..that’s why our species is destructive on many levels. We’re all nucking futs.
@@mr.c2485 "what if" is just a way of expressing a doubt. I don't thing having doubt is destructive. However being sure of something that could be false, that can be desctructive imho.
Answer: Waking up each and every goddamn morning and turning out to be the same goddamn human I was all the other mornings.
(Genesis 2:7) "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."
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@Alex Benjamin there's a lot of money to be made in crypto. I feel this new interest rates hikes could crash this economy. I'm looking out for a better investing strategy, I have a lump sum that inflation is steady eating up. Please do you mind sharing any means of reaching out to him easily? I'm really interested.
@Alex Benjamin Ok, just found his website, impressive, Thank you
This is a very low level talk. It's about a decade behind the actual research.
Can you link anything more high level? That would be interesting.
@@juliashearer7842 I assume you are thinking in terms of a paper or two. The unpublished material is about the same size as the seven books in the Harry Potter series.
Agree totally. This man has no medical training whatsoever and he's speaking as if he's a neuroscientist. But he's actually a pseudo scientist. Really schoking that TED allow someone totally unqualifed on a subject to speak about it.
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I like the group. Their music is soothing. The father god most high thing….not so much.😮
*Inhale
The sweet smell of propaganda deconstructing my perception of reality and my identity. I am now ready to be absorbed and submit to my technocapitalist powerstructure.
Yeah, nope. This was not the message here whatsoever. Swing and a miss.
Invest in the major pharmaceutical companies. May as well profit from our insanity…😊
Literally, the opposite could be true if you insist on making this political. He's claiming "I" is an illusion" where "we" is the reality. Capitalism promotes selfishness and individual wealth. If he WERE attempting to make a political statement, which he's not, then he would actually be promoting communism, since reality, that he's claiming is that we're actually all united and one, so therefore capitalism is against reality.
This isn't of course what he's claiming. He's made no claim whatsoever should be "done" if anything, it could be proved that individualism is simply an illusion, he's simply suggesting that is is. In which case, capitalism makes no logical sense.
@@mr.c2485 Do you guys even listen? How did you get anything like this from anything he said?
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What I generally meant was that people internalizing the "self illusion" can be colonized by technocratic money interests with ease. The current "I" sense of identity is a pretty stable form of it for nearly all humans that doesnt really need to be muddied. Modern deconstruction likes to invalidate deeply held beliefs by overemphasizing the exceptions to challenge ideas intuitively held by most, this disruption is hardly ever really invited (unless its in the form of a fancy Ted talk, then its a luxury idea.)
A person whose internalized a dissolved or distorted sense of self will not be grounded in a way to defend oneself from the external subversions. When one becomes rootless in identity, they become atomized and weak to forces that manufacture consent (in an environment dominated by technology.) One issue is that the people with big money/influence are not the ones internalizing the idea of "the self illusion" themselves, its the underlings they hope to exploit this idea. Ted talks as a platform like to take advantage of the curiosity of open minded people.
The reoccurring proposition of "the self illusion" is a particularly dangerous phenomenon imo. We've seen how tech like social media has been able to intentionally distort how a person sees themselves as a precedent.
Ted giving a spiritual talk is Like Hitler giving a talk about being a joyful human.
How do you figure?
You came here early to tip us off?
Useless comment
Not feeling that sorry
At least you tried