RX 7900XTX Launch Analysis - What Happened?
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- čas přidán 16. 12. 2022
- The RX 7900XTX launched and the performance is not as AMD led us to believe. To find out what happened, I investigated the details of what AMD provided and compared them many reviewers site data for comparisons. You may be surprised at the tabulated results.
#rx7900xtx, #rx7900xt , #rdna3 - Věda a technologie
The question that was inadvertently edited out at @6:30 was: "How much did you pay for your previous 80-series level GPU"?
Now I have a question for u: how much does Ngreedia pay you to be this bias 🤡🤡🤡 amd clearly stated what configurations are required to recreate their numbers so xtx was not a dispsaontmwnt. In fact AIB xtx can match trashy 4090 with an ez overclock. No indeed xtx is selling out compared to the jow rotting 4080
6900xt Toxic for 770$
I can't answer that question as I didn't buy an 80-series GPU. Last I bought was a GTX 970 (OC Gaming MSI) for $315 and I picked up the same card from FB MP for $60 in 2019 to run SLI. My goodness how the world has changed.
I paid $840 at launch for EVGA 1080ti ftw3. I think, correct me if im wrong, the 1080 non ti was $699.
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Running a Ryzen 7 7700x. I'll stick with my integrated graphics until either Nvidia or AMD can price a gpu reasonably
4090 at 999$, 4080 at 699$, 7900XTX at 699$ and 7900XT at 499$. This is how much gpus should cost but sheeple keep buying them whatever the price.
7900xtx can't cost the same because of way slower RT.
4080 $800, 4090 $1200, 7900xtx $650, 7900xt $500
how are you putting 7900 XTX with 4080 at the same price, when nvidia has SUPERIOR ray tracing and SUPPERIOR upscaling (DLSS), also DLAA and Reflex. These features are worth ~15% extra easily imho, maybe even 20%. if you price 4080 at 700 bucks, then 7900XTX should be no more than 580 bucks to be even worth consideration.
@@mroutcast8515 not according to sales. 7900xtx is soldout everywhere
why would they do this? 4090's just sell for twice as much. No reason to cut prices if it sells. Its sad but true people are willing to pay.
@@miyagiryota9238 they had low stock - scalpers bought them out for resell - but it may not go as planned just like it didn't with 4080. Obviously - there were bunch of AMD fanboys that will buy AMD regardless of any benchmarks and price vs performance ratio. I mean they were buying Radeon VII which was terrible value power hungry monstrosity
I think the most disappointing part for me is both AMD & Nvidia this generation are charging last gen prices for last gen performance. I highly doubt the "7800xt" is going to beat a 6900xt by much and I also doubt it will be less than 679.
Yes. Better off buying a 6800XT or 6900XT.
Those saying AMD should lower prices are acting clueless to the fact that these 7900s are selling like crazy.
What really surprises me, is that everyone was so surprised. This happens every generation, but not to this extent, admittedly.
The reson we were surprised is because everything pointed to the rx 7000 series being a slam dunk. The specs, AMD's performance claims, leaks, and official interviews all pointed to RDNA 3 nearly matching Lovelace at a dramatically reduced cost. In previous generations all those factors were very reliable. We just didn't know about the flaw(s) of RDNA 3. Obviously a GPU with nearly three times the compute and 67% more bandwidth should do better than a 35% improvement.
@@devindykstra jebaited 💀
But AMD never actually performs after launch. As card availability always sucks, for most people neither hyped or actual performance actually matter. AMD: Always More Disappointment
@@devindykstra meaning people just becoming more desperate to see AMD to kick nvidia nuts. Actually every generation the internet being hype with AMD will crush nvidia.
That's not really true though. In recent years AMD has been known for underselling their performance.
You said it right. At $1,000+, you should not be considering "It's good enough"!
Thank you for putting it out there!
Exactly!
Sadly every word spoken is so true...Screwed by both and I just cannot understand how many have fallen for the 7900XTX price as though it is a good price. AMD are doing exacty the same as Nvidia and laughing...I feel for the gamers at the low to mid rang as the price to performanne is not going to good going by this launch cycle.
the XTX is the price to performance king so it's objectively a good price, at least relatively
Because they are like sheep, They hate Nvidia so much there is no other alternative to the sheep even though they know deep down it's a worse product they just can't bring themselves to admit it, All they are doing is prolonging the inevitable, AMD eventually will drive more customers away with their anti consumer tactics faster than they can blink, Everyone is pissed at Nvidia's prices but buying from an inferior company at almost the same price here for a worse product shows you the intelligence of these sheep.
Currently the 3080 is low to mid range in Nvidia’s eyes 💀…
All the people buying a 4080 at $1300 for an AIB are only instilling our doom for next gen. We will see 5070's going for $1300 next round.
from now one I will be only buying form 2ndhand market, no point looking into store.
wrong!!!!
$ 1500 for 5060 8GB and $ 1600 for 5060 12GB
AMD should just stick to making CPUs.
I bought a 4090 for 1600 and am happy with it. Absolute beast of a card, and imo worth the money given the performance increase.
sry guys bought a 4080 im weak :( I waited soo long. I had to bury my gtx1070 O,O
I feel that the 7900xt is the 6800 replacement and the 7900XTX is the 6800XT replacement but they changed the name to a 90's class to be able to charge more money.
AMD's naming convention lost all meaning...they might as well have called them Navi3 84 and Navi3 96.
@@ImaMac-PC exactly right. AMD had a rare opportunity to take back a lot of market share and blew it.
@@SteeltechPC AMD don't even need GPU market share. They have console market. People still and always will buy NVIDIA
@@-Ice_Cold- but they are ignoring the AI market which needs GPU , having more market share in GPU means having more up to date library to build AI model
I'm not dissapointed by RDNA3 itself, i'm dissapointed by the pricing. i never believed the 2X rumors and i didn't believed AMDs 50% claims by using cherry picked games. Make the 7900 XTX 799 and rename the 7900 XT to 7800 XT and price it at 649 and everybody would have loved AMD. AMD really knows how to destroy themselves, i don't know how they can make such brand damaging decisions when they are at 10% market share. They need to replace the whole Radeon team or they are going to drop to 5% in 2023.
If memory serves, the past generation or two (maybe more)? AMD's launch slides were mostly honest. I didn't believe they'd hit exactly what they showed - there were enough warning signs with weird settings and so few games to smell a little fishy. But I did believe they'd do what they did previously and at least be mostly honest - also because it seems just really self-defeating to lie like this. Clearly, I was wrong.
But it's hard to really get angry about any of this, because it's not likely they're conning me out of anything - reviewers pointed out their deception immediately. Rather, I'm somewhat confused and disappointed twice over.
I'm confused, because... _why_ do this? Why trash your own reputation and simultaneously support nvidia's sales, AMD? Why try and lose the last bit of market share before we're truly in a full-on nvidia monopoly situation?
I'm disappointed because I don't appreciate being lied to, even if the scam failed.
And I'm disappointed a second time, because I had been looking forward to a fun GPU upgrade this holiday season, and now that's just not going to happen. And given just how extortionate their prices have become, and how egregious their markups, I'm not sure if I'll be rejoining the PC gamer crowd anytime soon; potentially even never. If prices stay this high, then perhaps sticking to consoles or some future game-streaming service just makes more sense.
Sad 😕
Radeon was getter much better...but this is a setback. What is really sad is that nVidia's published data WAS representative of the performance.
@@ImaMac-PC Exactly, as manipulative as Nvidia is their numbers at the very least were accurate. Like the guy above said in the past AMD was quite transparent with their numbers. They showed proper benchmark numbers with the reveal of 6800/6900XT and I buought a 6800 XT. I was able to achieve even better performance than AMD's own slides. This time it's the polar opposite.
Lower the price? That kind of strategy is useless against nvidia to gain market share. AMD know this themselves from their own experience trying to win the consumer with better value against nvidia for the past 15 years.
@@arenzricodexd4409 Had AMD not been willing to lower the price in the past, they'd almost certainly have much less market share today.
Of course there's no point in lowering prices if you're just going to sell out, or if you're going to make a loss.
The thing is that AMD has tried being only just very slightly cheaper, all while losing out on driver quality, features, _and_ mind-share. And these features - even stuff like hairworks or PhysX - might be enough to sway uncertain buyers if the price is close. And for years now, the feature differences in the form of raytracing and DLSS have been fairly meaningful.
So yeah; _that_ isn't going to work, no. Then again, it apparently was enough to sustain their current slow slide. Not sure what their plan is, but I really hope they have one, because it's utterly clear at this point that nvidia will be completely ruthless in exploiting their monopoly should they achieve one.
That was a very good video. Subbed
Awesome, thank you!
hey man i love your videos. keep up the good work!
Thanks, will do!
Thank you AMD and Nvidia.. my 3090ti has increased in resell value by 30%...
Looks like the best bang for buck will be to get your hands on the previous gen GPUs.
Sad, but in reality, these corporates will always prioritise money and profits rather than innovation and raising the bar. I wont be surprised if secretly Nvidia and AMD had some deal in the background to make sure their products won't compete with each other so they can BOTH rip end customers off.
They don’t need any secret deal. They’re a duopoly in the market. Largest player (nvidia) set their price, minor player AMD just set a reactionary price. Technically we have intel now but that’s very recent and they’re s long way off being a solid third competitor.
It wouldn't be the first time...just google "amd nvidia sued for price fixing"
Exactly! Finally someone that understands there is a price fixing between amd and nvidia!
Love your vids man
Thanks!
they could have dealt a killer blow by selling 7900xt at $750 and 7900xt at $650 immediatelty becoming a raytracing 3090 equivalent and better raster card than 4080 and outright stopping sales and price of all remaining RTX stock since RTX 3070 is still above $600 in most parts of the world and even 3080 ti selling at 900$, and their stack of 6900xt would still be in the low $600 or sub $500$ till it sold out. Now wait till Nvidia releases 3070ti and its going to kill 7900xt sales
Exactly i would instantly buy a 7900xtx at 699€ and never look at the Nvidia offerings but AMD did manage to be greedy like Ngreedia.
Amd drivers 💀
Look at history. Did competing with price let AMD win market share? If people think nvidia can't lower their price this time because they still have tons of 30 series to sell then they did not know how ruthless nvidia can be.
@@Pisscan You exaggerate about drivers. I had some problems myself, but now everything is fine. Or maybe Nvidia has no driver issues? Maybe you are one of those who believe that updating the driver burns the GPU?
@@arenzricodexd4409 AMD don't need this. They have consoles
Not surprising at all. Many people including me was waiting for 7900 xtx to blow nvidia in terms of price/performance. It turns out to be a big disappointment. Marginally better than 4080 in raster and significantly worse in rt, with drivers/professional software also better supported by nvidia. I would personally wait for 4080 price to come in within 10% of 7900xtx, I think it is fair.
Had amd label the 7900 xtx correctly as a 7800 xt since it is compete with 4080 and price it accordingly around $750-850, amd would have crush nvidia. But amd has to be greedy too, they dont want to label it as 7800 xt; since asking for $1000 meaning amd jacked the price up 50%, amd has to label this card as 7900 xtx so it doesnt look so bad in terms of pricing. Of course the performances fall short since it is indeed a 7800xt.
Looks like my money will go to nvidia again when the 4080 drops to $1000. Unless 7900 xtx cost 75% compared to 4080, or amd manage to beat 4080 by 20% in raster consistently at current price. In the mean time my 3080 will continue kicking.
You are not hurting for an upgrade with a 3080. You're in a good spot. You can wait this one out.
@@ImaMac-PC i would say anyone with a 80 class 30 series is in a good spot no matter if its a 3080 , 3080 ti, 3090, 3090ti etc there is no need to upgrade unless you want 120 4k, the 80 class 30 series can do 4k60 fine still for the majority of games, and you will get even more life in the cards if you game at 1440p there is no need to upgrade really, better to wait for the 50 series of cards in 2024-2025 , that is when I will be upgrading from my 3090.
@@ImaMac-PC exactly well said m8
Great charts and analysis 👍
Glad you like them!
I was waiting for this
I'm glad you waited 🙂
I'm not surprised when AMD moved to the chiplet design on their cpu side they had issues. I strongly suspected they things went wrong after the 4080 16gb launched and there wasn't a peep from AMD. Hopefully drivers and power consumption will be fixed along with the price.
I enjoy your number based analysis. Though I have been trying to pick an XTX on AMD direct (Canada) since launch (unsuccessfully - kicked out at checkout each time I even managed to add one to cart), I can't agree more that this launch has been disappointing. If only 7900XT was priced at 699-749, it would actually be in line with price to performance and take some demand pressure off XTX, provide some much needed downward price pressure and some reasonable price to performance value to customers (not steller, but reasonable). At its 900 price, as you said, its DOA, and its been available on the AMD site since day 2 almost 24/7 (was sold out in 5 hours on day 2, and from day 3 onwards, XT never went out of stock on AMD site). Keep up the good work.
Thank you!
I think you about nailed it, man. I was gonna grab a 7900XTX, but, unless I seem them at $700 or maybe $750, I think I'm just gonna skip this entire generation, and hope that "something" happens between now and next gen, to reverse some of this price gouging.
Worst thing that happened to gaming, was that it became super popular, because as everyone knows, the average human being, is dumb as the cows in this video, and there are a lot more of them, than there are people with respectable intellect.
If enough people took your approach and skipped this gen, then both companies would understand that they pushed too far and prices would have to come back down to reality.
I see… you are not a cow 💀
I came up with a slogan the other week. “We’re here for the budget conscious gamer”
Maybe both AMD and Nvidia didnt get that GPU mining is dead. So they priced them that way
Seems like they are trying to ignore that news...
Nice job, talking with numbers
Thanks!
i got a 7900xtx for 900$ . best buy priced it wrong . this made me feel like it was more worth it , so without thinking added to cart . this was 10:30 on the 12th west coast US
lucky! While I think 900 is still too much for me, let's be honest - it looks like I'll be waiting for a long time before I'll be buying a GPU again - if ever. I've been waiting since ampere launched, so hey, I guess I'll wait another year or so - then find another hobby 😕, probably.
I'm more interested how they got ddr4 7200, then I am the card
I feel like this has to be a typo no way they had a game test bench running ddr4 7200 thats literally impossible on ANY ddr4 cpu. I bet they meant to say 3200 which would make a whole lot more sense
I think it's possible, you just need to set 1:2 ratio between the memory controller and the ram in bios. Usually its useless but you can easily do it if you have good ram sticks that can reach 7200 (memory controller would stay at 3600 on that case).
@@transistorjump919 DDR5 with a 5900X?
slogan should be "it might just work!"
It wouldn't be the first time that tech companies got together to fix prices and screw the consumer.
No shill bs. Subbed. TY❤
@@sdwvit fanboy?
Do you just accept BS from companies? Do you think calling out BS is hatin? If you don't call out BS, then you just get more of it.
Thank you for posting those videos and seen through nvidia and amd bullshit.
Love your channel ❤️
the top shareholders from amd and nvidia are the same. Vanguard and Blackrock.they owns the whole tec marked.
I really enjoyed your video as usual. I have 6800 XT and I think I will wait until 8000 series or when 4090 prices go down like how 3090 Ti was $2000 initially and came down in prices after.
Btw, all those four figures gpu prices makes me think.. why not buy a ps5 or Xbox series x and buy 10 games with it instead of 1 gpu for over a grand..
Thank you. That is a great thought. After all, its all about gaming and what's better than having even more games to play!
If youre only a gamer and you buy 1k + gpus youre out of your mind.
can't find one anywhere.
7:00 "Cheaper GPU prices is a thing of the past" AMD f off mocking nvidia but doing it as well.
At this point amd should just focus on there cpu decision because the cpu division is doing great while the gpu division is always struggling
Awesome analysis. I wish you had +100K subscribers so more ppl would seen this video. I've been AMD GPU buyer since ATI times, but now they've finally lost me.
I can't see myself buying Radeon GPU when it doesn't offer substantially better value than Ngreedia. I got 2nd hand 3060TI for 285 bucks recently and was hoping to upgrade to Navi 31 or 32 but I guess it's not gonna happen. I'll probably just opt for 4070TI IF it's sub 800 bucks or better buy 2nd hand 3080TI and call it a day.
Welcome to team green… you will enjoy your stay 💀
@@Pisscan I've always belonged to the best bang for a buck team. It seems like I've jointed 2nd market team now as both Ngreedia+s and AMD's price to performance ratios suck big time atm
Thanks for the kind comment and feedback. AMD Radeon does seem to have lost their way. Which is sad since there seems to be so much potential.
We need Intel to persevere, improve their drivers and make the GPU market a three horse race. AMD and NVidia don't seem to have much incentive to disrupt each other in the GPU space and we need third parties to play spoilsport, especially in the mid and low tiers.
I hope they do. I think they could easily displace AMD at #2 spot since AMD is not concerned with market share.
@@ImaMac-PC Honestly it seems like Radeon seems to be happy to stay where they are, it's the conclusion I can come to anyway by how they behave. It puts it into perspective when you consider most of what Radeon does and their profits come from consoles and other graphics contracts they have with other vendors that they look PC gaming graphics cards as a sort of an afterthought. I don't know. This was a golden opportunity to claw market share and use the chiplet advantage to agressively price their cards.
Absolutely! So in this way the GPU market is just like US politics! 🙃
@@ImaMac-PC Intel has the cash, patience and perseverance to win thanks to their new CEO - they went from the quad core i5 in perpetuity company to the guys who now make very compelling desktop products.
I called it. Their slides where to hopeful.
Me as well. The fan boys were against it, but when aren't they?
I have a feeling the reviewers didn't change the settings in AMD adrenaline. On default settings, Adrenaline halves the power limit and undervolts the gpu in power saving mode. I had to go into Adrebaline and unlock the voltage by hand.
They did unlock, their cards consumed over 350w which they showed...
😂😂😂😂 man this is some next level of cope!
Can u amdonkeys stop coping
AMD have reviewer guide given to reviewers on how to properly bench the card.
Can you make a video about the supposed "Unfinished silicon" and all that "uncompleted shader prefetch" that some people are talking about this7000 series ?
That's bs, A0 silicon is not unfinished and that "uncompleted shader prefetch" was never intended to be part of N31. source: AMD, twitter
There was already a statement by AMD on this to Toms Hardware. Read their article published today.
@@L0rd_0f_War Thank you I will read it guys
I definitely agree: AMD are not interested in being the cheap fine wine from Tesco that doesn't pull its punches against the big dogs and sells like hotcakes and wins the hearts and minds of pseudo-alcoholics across the country. They want to be the premium brand that only snobs can afford. The problem is, they don't know how to do that; they keep screwing it up. Every time they try and revolutionise GPU architecture at the high-end, they fall flat. They're a Primark brand passing themselves off as a high street brand where all the lawyers and dentists buy their ties and belts. Instead of accepting their limitations and making a great name for themselves, they're happy to sell to the scraps of those who refuse to buy Nvidia. I genuinely thought they were going to try to take a whole piece of the pie with RDNA3. Everything pointed to it: TSMC 5nm node, chiplets, revenue from massively successful Zen 2/3 architectures, a competitor passed out on greed, post-pandemic rush, mining boom income, endless leaks all saying the same thing, and all the refinements made to the excellent idea of RDNA. With all that, they still mucked it up. Everything was in their favour... except themselves. That's why I won't be buying an RDNA3 card, not until they're dirt cheap and fixed.
Scorching dig 👍
Thank you for that awesome comment. Nice to know not everyone is blinded by the Marketing hype.
This gen's prices have a DLSS3 feature as well, so you're still paying for every single frame.
They f***d up that's what happened.
Well i will be getting a 7900XTX for 8999 danish kroner the next Nvidia 4080 will set me back between 13000 and 15000 which is a hell of a price difference
What's worse is that in the US, import taxes are coming back into effect on Jan 1st so we're really getting bent over.
I don’t live in the US so I just wanted to ask is this also going to affect Europe and Asia ?
@@elemental2374 no. They're import taxes that were temporarily suspended until the end of this year
@@Coffeeandacigarette oh okay thanks for clarifying that 👌🏼
Great video. I'm gpu agnostic, I don't care about brand just value and performance per dollar. I had high hopes for 7900 series, and I still do, but they clearly lied about current performance and there is something fundamentally wrong. People only worrying about gaming, should also look at the very low compute performance, that is not in line with the much better hardware than the RDNA2 cards. I doubt it's just drivers either and there are silicon bugs. As it stands I wouldn't buy a 7900XT for more than $599 and in no way even if working properly should it be more than $799. It's poor value compared to the 7900XTX. 7900XT performance is what I would expect from 7800XT for $699 max. If AMD don't sort this quickly and Nvidia drop the price of the 4080 by at least $200 I know which way I'll go.
Thanks. You are right, the specs and the performance do not line up.
The cards would be fine at $600 and $700, but not $900 and $1000.
If only AMD delivered what they wanted and hoped for (1.57x instead of 1.34x), the prices and names would make more sense and the whole situation would have been completely different.
6800xt + 57% = 4080 (worth mention that they renamed 7800xt to 7900xt and raised the price by 38% from $650 to $900)
6950xt + 57% = 93% of 4090 - so exactly as 6900xt was 93% of 3090
Something went wrong and instead of 57% (what is between 50% - 70% they hoped for) we got miserably 34%
That's tame compared to nVidia, which renames their 4070 to be called a 4080 16GB as shown by the 60% increase in CUDA core count to the 4090. This whole gen of cards is lost.
@@johngray3449 Ture. But if AMD delivered 6800xt + 57% = 4080 for let's say $700 and 6950xt + 57% = 93% of 4090 for $1000 we would have a totally different conversation. But they didn't deliver and they changed names and prices. This whole generation is one big $hitshow so I said pass and I'm skipping it completely.
$1200 for an 80-clas card and $1000 for a competitor from AMD? Hell NO.
they should drop the prices then. looks like mostly scalpers and media got xtx
@@charlesballiet7074 totally fine with scalpers buying them and I will laugh my ass off when no one buys them for inflated prices. They're not worth $1000 as it is.
As soon as it became apparent they were obfuscating data in their presentation benchmarks, it was just a matter of time before Another Massive Disappointment and another few years of being molested by massively overpriced, oversized, and power hungry thousand-dollar GPUs.
I'm inclined to think that you'll get more frames from 7900x + sam, while HUB only uses 7700x and no sam which kinda nerfed the performance and show a gap between AMD data
There’s other no name, in game bench mark videos out there using Sam and ddr5, xtx v 80. Still not impressive. One video showed an average of 5fps or so over the 80 but lost by 15 or so with ray tracing. Considering all the hype and marketing bs the only advantage is price but that disappears if yo include ray tracing. It’s hard to say but the 7900xtx makes the 4080 look like an option at this point.
@@qubes8728 yes what AMD messed up was the presentation… they got no one to blame… im just saying the discrepancy is made worse when reviewers cant replicate AMD data
@@_MintArcade that’s because amd skewed the results even using Sam and ddr5. He shows that in the video using their data. That’s why bench marks from multiple sources prove amd marketing team is lying. It’s that simple mate. Go look for yourself. No one is out there making videos to make amd look bad. Amd did it to themselves. That’s the reality of the situation. Hubs test rig was the same for amd and nvidia so it evens out when averaging in all the other test reviews. Just straight facts. And it’s only going to get worse when they release their other tiers.
Did you even watch HUB's review? He used a 5800X 3D, one of the fastest gaming CPU's with SAM/Resizable Bar enabled. Go to his review and pause at 6 minutes and 40 seconds. Also the 7700X is a beast of a gaming cpu it can be even better for gaming than the higher core Ryzens in some cases due to having 1 ccx less latency.
Stop trying to make it sound like reviewers did AMD dirty. This sort of behavior literally makes things worse.
@@_MintArcade check the video dude. 5800x3d, 3200mhz ram aaannndddd SAM ON! Lollllll can’t get anymore amd bias than that for testing. What a joke smh
Even when AMD destroyed Nvidia no developers were on board. The 290X for example destroys a 780 TI in Vulkan / DX12 games of today. AMD has years ahead with their GCN but no developers were ready to leave DX9 / DX11. Because Nvidia was trash at it. But when you own the marketshare you own how games are made. Cause that's the way it's meant to be played.
Then we seen Nvidia put in gameworks with 64X tess in Witcher 3 as well as other games that even made a 980 Ti look like junk. Yet nobody carried enough. And now with Ray Tracing Nvidia with their partners in games will control the ray ammount just like they did in the gameworks program that will make even the 4090 at $1600 look like junk.
AMD just can't get get ahead with next to no R&D money next to Nvidia. Even when AMD was on top nobody on PC carried. Nvidia is just so branded they are like Nintendo in the late 80's / early 90's.
But hey I am sure If AMD controlled the market they would be no different then Nvidia is now. Ether way this lack of marketshare for PC gaming will slowly get more and more people to just buy a console.
@Transistor Jump you don't own a console, that's what's wrong with them.
@Transistor Jump do you need Sony's permission to run software on it? Then you don't own it.
Well then the solution is pretty simple, AMD should make their architectures produce good results in current games instead of in future games. People buy their cards based on fps numbers in the reviews and not based on future promises.
@Transistor Jump you mean you can burn a custom Linux ISO to a bluray disc and install it on your PS5?
@Transistor Jump did you mean to say "no, I can only run discs that Sony has permitted me to run"?
do people watch the same reviews as I do.
Simple...those AMD speakers LIED THEIR ASSES OFF ...with a straight face! I wish there was a class action lawsuit! Many Corporations has been charged for less lies!
At tax time I'm purchasing a new gpu, I'm completely stuck on what to get. I have a Valve Index and play high end VR games as well as mostly story driven singleplayer games and simulation, but I have gotten to the point where I am tired of being screwed by Nvidia and refuse to support them, but AMD is up to the same shenanigans, one evil or the other??
It is a sad time when you're trying to pick the lesser of two evils.
I think it'll only be worse if AMD just backed off.
If Jenson is already so cocky with competition around, why would anyone in their right mind thinks he'll suddenly turn into a saint when there's no one competing?
And don't get me started on Intel that everyone who thinks they're the next savior.
Even a goldfish can still remember their 14nm+infinity days where if no one came in to slap them in the face, we might be still stuck with quad core processors.
Lol so true...
If they price the RTX4080 around the same price as the XTX it’s still worth buying the Nvidia GPU as the RT performance is higher despite providing a slightly less stable gameplay with lower 1% lows.
Plus Nvidia has DLSS which is supported in more games compared to AMD.
What happened? Well it happened exactly as I predicted. AMD were throwing bullshit number for quite a while now. I remember when they gave some benchmarks numbers for RX 6500 XT in Halo Infinite, which I was playing at that time on my humble budget RX 6600 XT and their numbers were about what I was having on ~2x faster GPU.. Ever since then - I'm not believing their BS number they're providing for any predicted performance. As full AMD user for few years now (it's just been always cheaper so far than Intel and Nvidia) - I know first hand how scummy AMD became with success of Ryzen - which also infected Radeon department despite it being inferior to nvidia.
Thanks for making those table comparisons. Amd said the xtx competes with nvidia 80 series so why label xtx 9series? Xtx should have been called 7800xt. As for price we all know what we think about that. What a disaster launch by amd.
If they labeled it a 7900xt then charging $999 would have been an obvious price increase...a large price increase. To avoid that, they just changed kept the same label and look, no one in the tech press is talking about how AMD is also raising prices in a big way.
@@ImaMac-PC yeah none of the large tech yt channels are taking about amd labeling the mid range as high end with high end prices. Think back to 6800xt competing with 3080 and 6900xt competing with 3090. When amd did those performance graphs they new xtx was 33% faster than 6950xt so should have gone with the mid range release approach. I think they would have ended up way better off overall.
You can slap a 20% overclock on that bad boi. Then it becomes 50%+ better. Idk why they released it with such low clocks
power consumption.
From hardware unboxed review it is still good fps/dollar card but they f.up the presentation.
Now with every announcement no one will believe them.
We were told 50-70% more frames compared to 6950 XT. In reality we have 35%...
RDNA 3 looks good only because how stupidly overpriced Nvidia cards are.
$650 6800xt was just below 3080 and now 7900xt is just below 4080 but you have to pay $900 - this is 38 price increase.
7900xtx? $1000 6900xt was just 7% slower than $1500 3090 and now $1000 7900xtx is 20%!!! slower than $1600 4090.
SO no, there is no value here. When compared to last gen these prices are just supid.
why believe presentation in the first place?
@@sdwvit Yeah, that's true. I was expecting 50% at best tbh but I guess I will be smarter next time and divide amd numbers by 2
@@sdwvit I don't believe but looking at the specs 55-60% was reasonable. No one believes 1.7x or Jensen's 4x faster GPU. But still, instead of 1.6x, we got 1.34x which is just sad and they are charging way too much for this.
Pause it at 8:15 LOL!
7:16 "chipset" -> "chiplet"
why are CZcamsrs noticing the 7200ddr4 thingy now? It was in there at day 1 when they disclosed the system they used and it was already known that it was a mistake, they actually meant 3200ddr4 not 7200. CZcamsrs do better!
If AMD disclosed it, then why didn't they fix it? The website was screenshot on 12/18. More than 6-weeks later, it's still a dumpster fire....I would ask AMD to do better.
@@ImaMac-PC yes and should do better but we tech savvy he enthusiasts should know that it simply was a mistake
To be fair to amd, 30% performance increase compared to last gen top end 6950 xt is no slouch, but I guess nvidia engineering is just far exceeding amd’s. However, it is no excuse that amd still have to compete, and price/performance of 7900xtx is very disappointing. Since it is competing with nvidia 80 class, Renaming 7900 xtx to 7800xt and selling at $800-850, it could have been a big win for amd. 2022 is a disaster for our economy, 200 increase in msrp is still somewhat reasonable. I am waiting 3 months for the 7900xtx to drop 15% just like their cpu lol 😂. At $1000 I will just fork an extra $200 for similar raster + superior rt.
Thanks for the feedback. If the xtx was less than $900 then it's a no brainer over the 4080, but as you said at $1000, just pony up the extra for the 4080 and get the other features. Then again, The XTX has been sold out since launch, but I think that may be due to the very low stock sales. Seems like a lot of Microcenters had the XT outnumber the XTX by a 2:1 ratio.
this is like amd's cyberpunk release moment. rushed for the shareholders
So the performanse against the 4090 is about what I expected. The performance gap between the 4080 is pretty disapointing. Let's hope AMD can fix whatever went wrong cause it's pretty obvious something did then release a 7950xtx that beats the 4090.
No Christmas for amd 💀
@@Pisscan True that is bad
@@Pisscan Are you AMD hater? It's cool to be like this now. True, Nvidia still won't give you a first-class GPU
lol @ close enough good enough! 😂
N21 on TSMC 7nm vs N31 on 5/6nm, Ampere Samsung 8nm vs Lovelace TSMC 4nm. Nvidia gained far more from node switch among gens. Thats what Jensen told they didn't expected that much. Reserved by Nvidia.
AMD took what was left.
Being fair, AMD had node advantage in last gen so they could compete better,
getting just slight upto 10percent raster lead over Nvidia.
Rdna2 clocked great over Ampere.
AMD had to try harder for Rdna3 to match Nvidia Lovelace, being on 1(half) -2gen older nodes proved fatal(almost).
Blame AMD for false marketing and pricing.
But they still offer 90tier memory capacity, hard to say if that help performance and reasons costs too?!
I got 6650xt few days ago, Opera needs to be disabled during gaming, idk what's going on, but it crashes 3x more than w old GTX1050.
Gaming itself is butter smooth, I get 1perc lows almost at avg fps, if I cap fps not to hit gpu bottleneck (get just below 90perc gpu utilization). Happy and it runs even on my 400W bronze PSU.
If I get bad experience with my 6650xt, I am ok to go rather for 10percent weaker 3060 for 5 perc more money.
I have to say I had Radeon HD6770-1G for 5y gaming prior to 1050 and AMD was good and probably 1/3 cheaper than budget Nvidia.
If AMD slots in Nvidia offers is that bad? Idk, should they go half price than Nvidia? What enough cheap is enough to tell they compete?
Think of 7900xtx as not AMD Rdna3 but rather 4080/24G with disabled RT cores matching 3080/90 RT performance but for MSRP 200less. Maybe smaller gpu with familiar 8pins. Are you ready then to grab green Navi31?
I would not because I do not accept the 4080's price. How does nVidia go from a large 620mm2 die in the 3080 for $700 now transition to a medium size die of 379mm2 in the 4080 and then raise the price by $500??? It's total nonsense and he is only doing it as part of his Master Plan to raise ASPs...which is what he promised he would do for his investors.
@@ImaMac-PC Agreed with this, gigantic cooler and 16G VRAM won't make that price gauge.
I guess most fair price was probably rx6800 for 579, It was on TSMC 7 as Radeon 7, bigger die size and same memory capacity.
Switching from HBM to DDR6, lower mem bus AMD could offer bigger chip for same price.
When i go to bed lately i like to imagine Jensen's and Lisa's face when 1080p segment of PC gamers refuses to pay 500$ for 1080p card in 2023 and switch to 500$ ps5 of xblox for AAA 4k gaming lol.... pricles...
Jenson might be mad, but Lisa will be thrilled.
Both Sony and Xbox changed and ask for AMD for SOC solutions for their consoles back in the PS4/Xbox One era because Nvidia was being a total ass.
The only reason why Nintendo accepted Nvidia as a partner was because Nvidia offered Tegra for cheap and they can be more of an ass than Nvidia when they needed to.
@@mahoslash All true mate, but i doubt soc on consoles gives them phat margin like rx. Besides its about helping your self more than hurting those two billionares xo
1080p gamer can get themselves something like GTX1630 or RX6400. the days of GPU maker releasing top to bottom GPU on the newest architecture are the thing of the past. AMD for example promoting RX 6700 series just a week before RX7000 official announcement at their official you tube channel. the comment section was turned off back then most likely because they did not want to get backlash from online community.
@@mahoslash sony in general have no issues with nvidia. they got too ambitious with their cell processor they ran to nvidia at the very late PS3 stage development to give them GPU that they can use. they can always go to AMD if they want to. the thing with MS, well for majority of people i see the blame will always on nvidia no matter what because they were seen as evil company. but looking back what really happen back then nvidia have their own reason not to back down and simply accepting the bullying from MS regarding the contract. nintendo go with nvidia not just because the tegra are being offered for cheap. but also nvidia promised to flex their devrel to encourage game developer to actually port their tittles to switch. nintendo can make another device and contract AMD to do it (they have always been using ATI GPU even before ATI merge with AMD) but it does not solve the problem they are having for generations.
But you _don't_ "analyze what happened". Unless you just meant "telling us the result".
I analyzed the discrepancy between AMD provided data to Reviewer results. What were you expecting?
@@ImaMac-PC I wanted to see "what happened to cause the results" i.e. what went wrong; what is the cause of the whole problem - most importantly to give us an idea if we can reasonably hope for a fix.
That said, I see from your words that you meant to address only "how reporting by AMD was cherry-picked and resulted in us being misled". Which is OK, as others may not already have realized that.
Thanks for your reply and your channel, which I check nearly every day.
Neither team is worth it for the best cards now or anytime soon. Both sides lying and over charging.
AMD shat in the bed!
AMD went for margin, because this generation is likely to be a forgettable one due to many socioeconomic factors and the fact that an extremely small percentage of people actually need these cards.
The real question is if this reputation hit is going to damage them in the long run which I think it will.
We all agree, they should have priced the card a tier down with a more accurate name to represent the performance.
By pulling this stunt in the hopes of tricking a few more people to buy this GPU, they have hurt themselves long term. AMD stood out as being more reputable with their presentations. Now they are not better than the rest.
@@ImaMac-PC Precisely. As you finely illustrated, the numbers don't lie.
AMD basicly doesnt have answer for NVIDIA top and flagship card :( so sad
Up to 1.7 times🤣Just straight faced lying their asses off.
so now if you have money go 4090, if not go 4080....but you need some
now, when I'd like to buy AMD cpu and gpu, they do stuff like that... well, my 7700k and 2080super, have to work hard for another year or two.
What's wrong with their Cpu's?
@@-Ice_Cold- 95°C. Also mobos are wayy to expensive atm.
@@MegaLol2xd less power draw than intel's
@@-Ice_Cold- still hot, due to fat ihs.
Intel will save us! The Battlemage shall come! A true Wizard! A warrior, a savior! Soon to be a celestial!
If you would have told me that 5 years ago, that my only hope for GPU prices would be placing in Intel...I might have quit on the spot...it will still take them 3 gens to get close to becoming a good competitor.
@@ImaMac-PC one would think it’s cumulative, and would take several gens of growth. But the architecture as is pretty powerful, It’s looking like the drivers are whats holding it back. The ray tracing performance and the video encoding performance of ARC are outstanding. In their price class they have better ray tracing than even Nvidia. I think a single gen is enough time to get all the extraneous features polished up, and learn the bugs of the first run, and develop the drivers for the second gen BATTLE MAGE! To really bring the thunder.
It may sound like a long to do list, but every one of those things has it’s own dedicated department who is singularly focused on getting it done. A years time is plenty for any team to accomplish anything.
On a serious note, like I said in another video: Consider a world where Nvidia wasn't screwing around with the 4080, where the 4080 is 10-15% weaker than a 4090 and the 4070 is 8-10% weaker than said 4080. Plot that on graph -- what does it look like? It looks like Navi vs Turing all over again where AMD's best card is only a little better than Nvidia's midrange.
You have to wonder if the only reason RDNA 2 was competitive was because Nvidia was using an inferior Samsung node.
Yes, same with RDNA1. nVidia leap frogged AMD and took away the node advantage for RDNA3.
Note that the price increase has a reason for being. Look at the size and weight of a GTX 980Ti and the size and weight of an RTX 4090. Yes, there are certainly higher production costs for an RTX 4090 (and even an RTX 3090) than there were in the production days of the GTX 980Ti, which only has 6GB of memory.
Interestingly, in the States, the RTX 4090 was launched at only 100$ more than the launch price of the RTX 3090, but it weighs more, has more technology, is bigger and, most important of all, has nearly twice the performance. Therefore the price increase is excused. Unfortunately, in Europe, where I live, due to the devaluation of the € against the $, the price increased by 500€!!! That part, yes, it hurt a lot!
As for the RTX 4080, the big problem was that the RTX 3080 was launched two years ago at 700$, a price that several experts said was practically the production price (and that was also why it only had a measly 10GB of VRAM), which is why people now got mad when it was announced that it would cost 1200$. Possibly, its correct price, taking into account the price of almost production cost of the RTX 3080 and having now, the RTX 4080, plus 6GB of VRAM, should be around 1000€, but if so, possibly much people wouldn't buy the RTX 4090. And it's the RTX 4090 that Nvidia wants to sell.
no, people want amd and nvidia to sell at loss, so companies go bankrupt, but gamer would have their cheap gpu. master plan
You will never see 7900xtx at msrp. Real market price will be near 4080 prices. And at that price 4080 will be better choice overall
What's the percentage of PC gamers that can or will pay over a grand for a gpu, very low hence the 4080 is a shelf filler.
no? How about now
Just wait till next generation is getting old every time AMD releases video cards
Yes, It's so old...
im getting xtx dont gotta upgrade case or power supply. way better than my 3070ti. 4090 like new machine
Power supply hahahah . Bro 7900xtx consumes more power than 4090 n 4080.
AMD lied...simple
They always do. Fan boys are always ragging on me for pointing this out. Say what you will about nvidia, they deliver in top tier.
AMD has always been a loud barking dog that seldom has a formidable bite.
@@billthompson8182 And now Nvidia can set their prices for 4090 sky rocket...there is no competition at all....4090ti at $2500-3000 easily...
@@mrrexy4151 yep.
AYYAMD happened 😂
Whoever is in charge of marketing at AMD should be fired. AMD has generated tones of goodwill by being completely honest and transparent with their marketing all through the AM4 era and now they've destroyed that. Is so dam stupid to lie like they did because some or later, the truth will come out and reviewers will have negative narratives as a result.
AMD really was the most transparent as of late but they really blew it this time. It will take several generations to build back their reputation, if ever. So disappointed in them.
@@ImaMac-PC Well, they're company who makes money, not charity
You should highlight good things too. Too one-sided.
Thank you for the feedback. I wanted to keep the video short and the good things were edited out as long form videos don't do well on CZcams (at least for me). I'll work on that.
Thank you too
Bought a 4090 Founders for £1599 after seeing the 7900XTX results. AMD are scalping also, but even more than they feel they should be able to. High power consumption as well as lower FPS and bad RT performance. AMD's pricing is making Nvidia cards look a better buy. They done fucked up.
Have to admit for the first time I went for the top GPU in the 4090 knowing it was expensive but it was also the halo product and had the performance to match for my 4K setup. Sadly, we are being right royally screwed especially at the low to mid range as these prices do not bode well for the more affordable end of the market...I have a bad feeling both AMD and Nvidia are in this together no matter what it looks like from the outside.
You just have to understand Jensen's Master Plan and what he told his Investors and then it make sense.
amd drivers allways improve over time..and in so does better than nvidia
so give a few months then we see how the new gpus do
to add..if we a;; dont want the high prices we vote with our wallet..buy second hand or wait for prices to drop
teach these greedy corporations a lesson
There are some great deals to be had on the second hand market.
@@ImaMac-PC very true yes
Oh no AMD lying to community? Oh imagine my shock. Jesus Christ Ryzen 7000 and RDNA3 were overhyped as hell.
How can a group of relatively smart people continuously make such half-assed, lame-brained decisions?
AMD just keep cocking up and dumping any opportunity at market-share over to Nvidia.
Based solely on 7900XTX sales alone.... Show of text... Who here believes the XT model would NOT have also sold out if priced at $799 instead of the ridiculous $899?
They will either lower the price or just not make them anymore just like they did with the RX 6800 non-XT and the RX 5700 non-XT before it.
Complain all you want, but people are paying the given prices, so either pay up, shop used, or find another hobby.
AMD way overpriced those cards just like Nvidia. And just like Nvidia used stupid/misleading naming scheme. I mean if 4070 ti now launches for 799$ it will be a serious treat especially to the 7900XT as it will be only 5-10% slower in raster and beat it in ray tracing. That is Nvidia 3rd tier 70 class GPU against AMD's top tier 90 class.
TLDR: the 7900 XTX came out and it's the second best card on the market not factoring in ray tracing.
4080 is better in RT, power consumption and productivity so the 4080 is still the 2nd best
@@defnotatroll correct so then the 79 xtx is the third best card on the market which is still really good for amd. ray tracing and 8k gaming are just memes atm still. watching 4080's and 4090's crumble with the witcher 3 is a good meme.
I have been saying this for a few years now. I will say it again.
AMD, NEVER was who people thought they were. yes, they had energy efficient cards, relative to what was out there and to their own previous cards, yes they put out a generation of cards that seemed to rival Nvidia, and seem like Nvidia could be toppled. It was all smoke and mirrors, AMD is the knock off brand and always will be. The reason why they seemed to rival Nvidia last generation is simple, its because of 1 genius decision, and nothing else really.
How did AMD produce a genration of cards that rivalled Nvidias cards? AMD does not have the years of experience Nvidia has in devloping microarchitecture for GPUs, their decision to drop down to 7nm ahead of everyone else was the best decision they could have made at the time. if you look at the vega series(2017) which was on a 14nm process in Vega 64 vs gtx 1080 which was on a 16nm process, AMD released vega 64 near the price of 1080 to soundly get beat by the 1080 by 10-20, and AMD released a year later.
in 2019 came radeon7(when they dropped to 7nm) which it released and got super smoked by the 2080ti (which was already out). Once again AMD released nearly a year later. AMD though that just by having a process node half the size of Nvidia (12nm) at the time would be enough to be competitive. That is when they launched RDNA later in 2019. They knew back in vega that they would have to redesign their microarchitecture.
Thats when they launched RDNA 1 (7nm) with 5700xt(July 2019) AMD's first outing with their new architecture gets released to get beat by the 2080 and stomped by the 2080ti.
They launched RDNA 2 (7nm) with 6900xt in November of 2020 with all the refinements to take advantage of the node, and knowing that Nvidia was resting on their laurels kind of by only dropping down to an 8nmprocess, launched against the 3090(8nm), and in most games they kind of trade blows in normal rasterization, not even a competition in ray tracing. That was until 3090ti came out. AMD simply thought they could keep this trend going, probably by staying on a smaller process than Nvidia, but that simply is not the case.
Currently AMD is on a 5nm process and Nvidia is on a 4 nm process. I wouldnt be surprised is AMD doesnt announce a new microarchitecture design for gpu's, because what they have now is untenable. AMD probably will be able to compete with Nvidia and get the scraps here and there, but they will never be that close to winning ever again.
You should watch moore’s law is dead latest video.
I'll reveal a secret. Given that NVIDIA has a larger share of the GPU market, they can force developers to optimize their games only for NVIDIA solutions, as a result, NVIDIA cards turn out to be faster than AMD solutions with higher performance. But there is also an opposite case. If AMD manages to get some developers to optimize games for their graphics cards, it turns out that they also overtake Nvidia, and even (oddly enough) overtake in RT
they had no cards !!! there launch sucked
epic fail !!!
AMD have a consistent history of manipulating the numbers to inflate the performance of their cards which is why I will never buy any of their products.
Why is AMD getting the blame for these prices when its Nvidia with their insane $1600 4090 and the absurd $1200 for the 4080 that set the path? What is wrong with these shill channels and Ngreedia lovers? Blame Nvidia!
Yeah AMD also needs to lower prices, especially on the 7900xt, but Nvidia needs to drop prices by as much as 40% to have sane pricing. To me the 7900xtx does exactly what it needs to be to handily beat the RTX 4080 and that is be 5% faster and $200 to $300 cheaper, which it is!
AMD chose to slot into nGREEDIA's pricing structure. It was AMD's choice. I've done several videos on that topic. It's up to AMD to choose prices that their own chiplet technology enables. Ask yourself this: If Ryzen CPUs became LESS expensive due to chiplet technology, then why do Radeon GPUs become MORE expensive with chiplet technology?
@@ImaMac-PC Pricing it too low does have the opposite effect though, this is why tech nerds don't need to comment on economics, because you guys know shit about it. If AMD were to release the 7900XTX say at something absurd like $700 it would have actually sold less as people would see the giant price difference and think its way slower than the 4080, even though its actually 5% faster on average! So, its not like AMD can realistically price it too low, it just doesn't work like that.
I get it you'd like to see a 7900xtx at $500, me too, but that is NOT the reality. Even without greed into account, these GPU's cost at least $700 to make, we are talking much more expensive silicon, much more expensive packaging, much more expensive transportation costs, R&D, marketing, driver and features development, royalties' payments to various groups and consortiums, leeway for AIB prices, etc.... There is no way a RTX 4090 can realistically cost less than $1000. It probably can cost $1000 and make minor profits, but that is kind of the limit for that card. The RTX 4080 and 7900XTX are different things and could probably cost $800 with minor profits, but why would AMD and Nvidia do that?
So... worst generation ever?
If they priced it at last gen levels plus $50-$100 on top for inflation, then it would be a complete reversal.