7800x3D Launch Analysis - Is it the King of Gaming? FPS variability and more...
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- čas přidán 8. 04. 2023
- The Ryzen 7 7800x3D launched and some declared it the Gaming King...but not all. Why is there variability in the results? Is the 3D V-cache faster? And what does AMD have to say about Core Parking on the 7800x3D?
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Great Video. I have been waiting for my 7950x3D forever.. I did have a 7800x3D in my newegg cart but decided to cancel my order. (More cores better) I purchased a 7900x3D (2 week return policy, on my second chip do 4 weeks now, to tie me over. I really like this chip and look forward to getting my 7950x3D. I have had no issues and it has run great. The store did mention possibly having to reload windows. but my second 7900x3D did load up after I reset my 6000mem to stock timings. I look forward to your update video, this is very interesting..
So the question still remains, which cpu to buy???
Great video.. I have a 7800x3d and 7950x3d, still waiting for the rest of my build parts and have to decide which way to go.. probably I may handle 7950x3d with process lasso, assign all non-cache to the system and other software and vcache for the games (heard about rule: shared folder for the process lasso, where you simple install all games and you don't have to worry about that anymore), so then the performance must be optimized?
What about just use process lasso instead of amd drivers will that be fine for controlling the CCD on the 7950X3D?
Variability is inevitable when you test with so many titles under different conditions. I don't think anyone can downplay the 7800x3d.
I have the 7800 x 3d and it's a beast 💪
If you disable gaming mode in windows, cores will stop parking
Tried that, still parking. Even after reboot, still parking. Looks like another fresh Windows install...
@@ImaMac-PC over time, the bugs will be fixed. I doubt the 7800X3D is a bad buy compared to a 13900K. Sure you can save $150 by going 7700X or 13600K, but if you want the best gaming CPU in performance, power consumption and price, the 7800X3D is it for 2023.
I just want the best for gaming and productivity, surely that must be the 7950x3d. However! I will not be manually tweaking cores and that stuff, can I still get the 7950X3D or do I have to maintain it for every application for best performance.. ?
Surely you know about using Process Lasso with the 7950x3D?
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Hey I'm A Mac I have a question. Their is a lot of evidence to support the fact Navi 32 (7800 XT) will have 60 CUs. Based on the performance of RDNA 3 CUs have compared to RDNA 2 and each other it would be nice if you could do a video discussing the theoretical performance the 7800 XT. I'm not great with math but I tried doing the calculations myself based off current research but I feel like your analysis would be more accurate than mine
Now that AMD just announced the W7800 Radeon PRO with 70 CU, I'm not so sure they would release an RX 7800 XT with only 60 CU. Of course, I'm not one of the "Wizards" at AMD Marketing who would know how to spin that one.
@@ImaMac-PC that is true it could be 70, but other RDNA 3 cards aren't set to launch for 2 more months so it's going to be awhile before any news hits us. I'd love to know if the cards are potentially worth waiting for or if they're not. The RX 7900 XT just dropped to $779 MSRP which looks good for the 7800 XT's MSRP so if we have good performance it could be a a good value card but if it just performs like a 6800 XT then that's bad.
Interesting info. I returned 7950x, because I had stutter galore and 20% less performance in games compared to 13900k that I already had.
What I do know is that cores were unparked on 7950x, and I kept going back to wanting to buy 7950x3D, but finally saw too many stutters in benchmarks that lead me away.
Then I saw same stutters in 7800x3D and decided to wait for next AMD system.
13900k is much better of a cpu, and it's because it is very consistent. With a minor stutter here and there, that I fixed through a simple trick on my channel.
PPM provisiong is not needed, nor is the 3d cache system service. I have them both disabled with the xbox game bar removed and run a custom power profile. I have no core parking on my 7800x3d and this was coming from running a 7900x3d a few days prior on the same system with no Windows OS re-install.
How is it not enough when the 7950x3d sold out? Is the 7800x3d selling out too?
i move from 7900x3d to 7800x3d, how to tell if cores are parking?
3:57 Pause the video there and read the graphs.
This window where you can find these graphs in are from the Windows 10/11 build in window called "Resource Monitor".
GN has some info on the core parking
Really wanted to go ryzen for my next pc, been using an i7 7700k for over 6 years now but these tatics where they release the 7800 x 3d last even tho its better bang for the buck then the 7950 and 7900 x3d bothers me plus not to mention amd has ALWAYS had issues with drivers . I rather buy an i5 13600k and just turn on the power and do my thing then waste my time debugging
If you're gaming at 1080p for esports games and need to hit the FPS required for high refresh rates, the value proposition for the 4070 is much higher than the 4070 ti, as the difference between the two is lessened at lower resolutions. At 1440p and 4k, the 4070 story resembles what everyone else has already said about it.
With the 7800X3D and 4070, I'll definitely be able to stay above 360 FPS constantly in the upcoming Counter-Strike 2, which from early reports of benchmarks from CS2 players, takes advantage of AMD's 3D V-Cache a lot more than CS:GO, which prefers higher frequency rather than extra cache. Counter-Strike is a benchmark that will soon favor AMD. Nobody has really talked about that either; Intel is about to be dethroned in the biggest esports game it sponsors.
Sadly no youtuber talk about cs2 and 3d V cache except for one youtube video with 5800x3d and cs2.
Would 7800x3d be a safer option for games?
Absolutely. For gaming only, just get the 7800x3D.
I would not even conside a
^ This
@@John-PaulHunt-pq7qp agreed.
You're not picky. You're just sensible. You're exactly why Nvidia and AMD are gimping generations. They're sensible as well.
@@marinated5425 hehehe, yea :P
Dual ccd latency vs frequency/turbo boost frequency, choose your poison.
So disable core parking in windows.
8:10 The 7950X3D being sold out in USA and EU is strange huh!?
This seems like a clear AMD market manipulation tactic, not sure where they are pushing all those 7950X3D to.
But a good guess would be they are pushing many of those CPUs towards full pre-builds. As you may know full pre-build numbers are very low last couple years.
It would be a good profit move to push more CPU units towards that, which is very consumer unfriendly if they are really doing this.
for the price? yeah pretty much
This price? Still high price for this kind of problematic cpus all the 7000 series with new design that makes them very hot… the 5800x3d was brilliant the 7000…. Not for me just saying🤗
@@shayeladshayelad2416 makes them hot? Yet the 7800x3d only draws 50-80W on average...
@@zoriiginalx7544 ok while gaming what temps thous this cpu gets?
When a cpu is sold out everywhere you can't even consider it the king an i9 13900k is $100 more but with double the cores and available everywhere
its a shame 7950x3d is the chip for me(i need productivity) but there are to many issues
if you just need productivity, why not get a 7950X and skip the 3D?
@@Noah_Aizen i like the gaming performance too
13900k? It seems like the real best of both worlds.
@@jjlw2378 efficiency
Inferior binning due to poor quality control measures
Only in AMD where you see its own flagship product being beaten by the lower tier product of the same generation 😂 Expert engineer at its best 🤣 If these engineers were in Intel, they would have been fired on the spot.
I use the 13900k yes it's cheaper then a 7950x 3d but it also use much more energy so it evens out in the long but the negative of having z790 and 13900k is if you want to upgrade next year you need new motherboard aswell so it's hard for people to deside if they need to upgrade this year
linus did a calculation comparing 7800x3d and 13600k power usage. 2 hr gaming + 1hr misc = 76 dollar a year for 7800x3d and 145 dollar a year for 13600k. thats about a 70 dollar difference a year, but for most hardcore gamers game for 6+ hours with multiple hours of misc stuff. so 70 dollar x 6 hours = 420 dollar difference per year. then you consider that most people use their CPU for up to 5 years or longer.. thats 2,000 dollar difference in power bill.. kinda weird he didnt compare 13900k with the 7800x3d it would be pretty apparent the money you save if you are just a gamer.
@@VatiWah some other people have I think gamer nexus did
@VatiWah At $.12/Kwh a 13600k using 100w/hr for 6hrs a day = $26/yr. A 7800x3d using 50w/hr for 6hrs a day = $13/yr. While saving money is a good thing, if $13/yr is the deciding factor in your CPU purchase, then neither of these CPUs are for you.
it is a deciding factor since all the wattage adds up. im on a 4080 from a gtx 1080. im still on a 9900k and i pay for electric.. electric bill right now is almost 200 dollars a month, 400 during summer for like 4 months. so every little bit saved means i can buy other stuff lol.
@VatiWah So $13600k = $2/month, 7800x3d = $1/month. The efficiency on X3D is impressive but for gaming I don't see a problem with either choice. The cost savings getting a 13600k over a 7800x3d right now will more than pay for 5yrs of usage.
Core parking added insult to injury and not a really smart thing to do.
I am sorry to have to use these terminologies. But OH WOW, are these products crappy for the price they command.
'command'? You mean 'demand'?
@@AndyU96 no.
In a month they will be both slower again vs 13900ks same as 7950 etc when they came out. I see 7950x3d is already slower than 13900ks oc to 5.7 4.5 8000 ram
Yes but the KS will eat your electric so rip electric bil xD
@@XeqtrM1 true to that but I don’t care…. We don’t pay much
@@facegamefps6725 100 watt CPU is slower than a 300+ watt max OC'd CPU with expensive cooling and RAM.
Did you expect it not to be slower?
Would be a massive fail for intel if it wasn't.
Also getting 8000 MT/s memory 100% stable is quite an accomplishment.
@@dawienel1142 I test mb and ram so 8000 is very easy on z790 tachyon with tight timings. Very stable as well. Other boards would be Apex and Kingpin but not fan of KP myself
@@dawienel1142 The same people with 300+ Watts CPU would use 3000Watts ACs to cool their room and claim we don't pay much for electricity.
I've yet to find a review that pair this CPU with a GPU that most people have or would by and do the benchmark at the resolution that most people would play. I find these 1080p reviews paired with 4090 utter stupid. Non of them answer me the question how much 7800X3D prices at 510 euros would benefit me more than 7700X which is priced at 380 euros, paired with an 800 euros GPU. What I've found is that, get an Intel chip and upgrade every two or three years, if you really care about performance and don't buy into AM5 platform bullcrap.
Benching it at 1080p with fastest GPU possible shows the maximum potential of the CPU. I'd look at benchmarks for the 7700X just to make sure it can put out similar or higher framerate as your GPU. If your CPU can put out similar or higher framerate as your GPU, then your fine. At least for pc games.
7700x is more than enough for majority of the games(unless some specific competitive type of game where fps give advantage)especially in 1440p or above. if you already have it, "upgrading" to 7800x3d prolly is more for flexing.
No need to go above 7700 or 7700x. Between a 5600 ddr4 3200 and a 7700x ddr5 it's the sweet spot in current x86. Other chips only make sense in 24/7 specific use or a professional one after assessment of the ROI.