How To Tune AM5 Ryzen 7000 Series Wattage & Reduce Temps With Curve Optimiser PBO2
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How to reduce AM5 Ryzen 7000 series Power usage and reduce temps.
AM5 the new AMD platform run HOT! really HOT!! with the Processor targeting a 95c temp limit and always trying to hit that regardless of the load on the system.
Clearly for a lot of people this is too hot and will make the system cooler and case fans work overtime to try and keep that under control.
So in the video we look at some modifications that can be made at the EUFI BIOS level to take back control of the Processor and the temps and power usage.
This is pretty easy to do and doesn't really need any hardware level knowledge, but some info on what your specific CPU limits are will be helpful to try and dial in settings quicker and leave the system cooler, quieter and in some cases actually faster!
Curve optimiser set to negative and the maximum is -30 so have a play with that!
PPT limits
Stock settings
7950x 230w PPT
7900x 230w PPT
7700x 140w PPT
7600x 142w PPT
For Eco Mode on the 7600X and 7700X:
PPT Limit: 88 (AMD stock 105W recommended settings: 142)
TDC Limit: 75 (AMD stock 105W recommended settings: 110)
EDC Limit: 150 (AMD stock 105W recommended settings: 170)
For Eco Mode on the 7900X and 7950X:
PPT Limit: 142 (AMD stock 170W recommended settings: 230)
TDC Limit: 110 (AMD stock 170W recommended settings: 160)
EDC Limit: 170 (AMD stock 170W recommended settings: 225)
I would suggest trying to take off 50w and see where that gets you in benchmarks and testing.
In platfrom thermal throttle control you can set this to whatever you feel comfortable with, just remember the lower the number the more restrictive it will be on overall performance
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thank you sir, i had issues with my temps and most importantly sound and power of my ak620 fans with my 7600x, i lower the curve to 30, with a limit temperature of 80 with auto setting in tdp, and now is running really smooth
Amazing results and with your tutorial looks straightforward to carry out! More efficiency, less power less heat lower running costs and i assume better longevity! Thanks for sharing Mike and Kath 🐈👍
thanks Nick, have a great day
Excellent video, Mike! I'm on Alder Lake but I still like to learn. By the way, what about Eco Mode? Here is another "thank you" from North Carolina. After a recent Windows 11 update my PC stopped putting my monitor on standby and therefore no longer shut off my USB-powered monitor and microphone lights. One of your motherboard videos - it was Gigabyte and I'm using MSI - showed me how the ErP motherboard setting was the problem. I have no idea why a Windows update would have affected that setting but I'm pretty sure I didn't change it. I'd checked everything under the sun - except that! This is the fourth time your channel has solved a PC problem for me! Thanks again!
awesome glad to know that these videos are helpful
Thanks for a very informative video Mike 🥰💪👍😇. I’m currently putting together an AM5 system (most parts purchased except cpu) and contemplating the 7700x or the 7800X3D for a gaming setup 🤔. These settings will prove very handy for my build. Cheers 🍻 buddy 🥳
Sounds great! i would go with the 7700x at the moment, i just picked one up to repalce the 7600x and cost me an extra £40
This video👍👍👍! My exact cpu and mobo couldnt have asked for more. Reduced temps significantly. I was pinned at 95 and thermal throttled with a Noctua NHD15!
Glad it helped
Thanks a lot for this mate.
I managed to get much lower temperatures and power consumption while also gaining 1000 points in Cinebench with my 7600x.
I guess I have a nice piece of silicon, I can run a negative 40 on the CPU completely stable.
Thanks again, great job!
Nice work!
im guessing it depends on cpu? but since negative 30 is the max does going even further ike negative 40 even doing anything ? im possibly upgradeing to an AM5 build in the coming month to an 7800x3D afaik that only has an negative 30 as the "lowest" setting to go so is the 7600x possible to go even lower? also seen some saying they are going beyond -30 on a x3d cpu
@@n0ex Probably it's the BIOS which allows more than -30. I'm running ASUS TUF Gaming B650.
And yes, of course, all depends on the CPU.
Is it worth it going more than -30?
I guess not. You would never notice apart from a few points in a benchmark.
So consider -30 as a sweetspot.
@@mikesunboxing Yes. Because the 30 limit is from the 5800X3D. The 7th series can up to 50. But mostly not on all cores. My 7800X3D is working on Core1-8 between -38 and -20. (C1: -38, C2: -32, C3: -34, C4: -20, C5: -20, C6: -20, C7: -28, C8: -27. The PPT on 85, EDC 180, TDC 120, THM 85, FIT scalar 1, Max freq 5050. For my silicone the settings are stable :). For gaming you dont need all cores. The fact that Core 4-6 are working on -20 says: Sweetspot here is -20. But hey, 500 points more on Cinebench doesnt matter for gaming so -20 for all cores is great. I also tested it with 45W up to 100W. There are no big dif. between the Cinebench results. So for gamers with a small or stock cooler i would go with 65W. Best regards from Berlin! Great Video. Tool i used: Hydra 1.6B PRO (OC Sandbox).
2 of ur vids were very helpful. I subbed now
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Cool , great video thanks Mike.
Glad you enjoyed it
Thank you so much! Awesome tutorial man you are truly a godsend
thanks for the kind words
Same bios and same cpu as me so this was a perfect tutorial, down from 95c to 70c with a 240mm rad, thanks man.
nice results
Thank you for the video,before my cpu was reaching 77 degrees,and now with PBO is no passing than 65/70 and in CPU-Z i scored 7908 points,thank you again
Glad it helped
I copied all of your settings with my 7700x. -30, 85 PPT. My tempratures maxed out at around 60.9 C with a score of 19060 in Cinebench 23. This score was around the same as it was when I started. Wattage was at 87. Idle is around 41 C. It looks like I got a good CPU! I have a Noctua DH-15 with MSO Pro B650-P Wifi. This was quite easy to follow since your board is also MSI. It seems it's working very well for this configuration. Thanks for the video!!
glad it helped you with your setup
Can i just say that this is a great tutorial and so refreshing to hear someone say " do it in the bios because you don't need extra apps" i followed your suggestions and OK I'm not running a hot CPU , just a little old 5600g , i know i know but it does what i want , and the temperatures have plummeted and adding to that the energy has dropped too so Thank You
Glad it helped!
Man you are my hero! That almost burn my CPU and now is perfect!
Thank you so much for this, used your same exact settings on my own 7600X: went from 14364 cinebench score with ~96 °C and 135 W package power to 14756 score with 70 °C and 87 W max! Insane.
That is a great result nice one
????????????????????????? 96*C ? buy new cooler mate mine after 10h in game have have max 67
This is expected results for am5 they have a target of 95c by design
@@nokelo4207does 360 aio is enough for 7600x to get temp under 75 ?
@@Crenzy-ct9tt I would start with undervolting it as in the video.., the chips clearly use way too much watts and power for their overclocked
speeds by default..
Thanks for a very informative video for me :)
My pleasure 😊
Thank you learned from this!
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks for this good and informative video. I could not boot my system on negative 30 anymore, but 20 combined with the other settings are working fine. My CPU temps dropped from max 88 degrees to 68 and consumes much less power now.
glad it helped
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Very good tutorial! Thank you! 7600x with pure rock 2 in micro case here. On stock bios settings: termal throtlling after 2 seconds in r23 with score 14464. After setting negative curve on 30 and PPT on 88w: after 10min in r23 max temp is 74 celcius and score 14366 🤩
Nice work!
That score seems rather low? Or my 7600x is better binned but on r23 I'm getting 16k points while never exceeding 70c Celcius (deepcool ls720 360 aio) currently still messing around with my curve optimiser but all my cores are stable on -40 sofar with the exception of core 1 only reaching -35
Thank you so much, I built this pc 2 days ago and playing Fortnite my cpu was hitting 93c, hitting that temp concerns me set to 30 and 85 limit the hottest it got is 79c. That’s around where my i7 used to run while gaming, spent $1300 building this and I want it to last. What I built r7 7700x / 7800xt 16g gpu / 32g ddr5 6000mhz / msi650 motherboard with Wi-Fi and Bluetooth / 850 watt gold psu / deep cool cooler at 62 cfm / deep cool case / crucial 2tb m.s2 and put a 500g m.2 WD blue I had laying around. Very stocked with what I built and I know they say these processors run hot but I want longevity out of this system and feel I can achieve this with cooler temps. Thanks again !
glad to know that we helped someone out
Ryzen 5 7600X & 240mm AIO Went from idle 45°c avg 70-85°c max 95°c to idle 38°c avg 50-60°c max 62°, clockspeeds up to 5.5Ghz by copying these settings, amazing video!
that is a great result
For anyone interested in easy testing AMD's Ryzen Master software has in-built tests able to determine the suggested per-core negative curve optimized max safe setting each core is capable of for under-volting, which can then be inputted to the BIOS as Mike showed in this helpful vid.
thanks Ron absolutely right on the money there
@@mikesunboxing Every time I run it, all the cores result in a -30 offset on per-core in RM auto tuner.
I have the ASUS motherboard and it would give me BSOD every time I adjust anything. ASUS are so slow to fixing these things through updates. I'm running power saver at the moment until I can undervolt my CPU.
Ryzen master always sets my cores way too low which is barely stable to boot windows but crashs at any heavy task.
I couldn't ever get ryzen master to work, everytime I run it, it says it needs to be reinstalled everytime, I tried so many "fixes" that software is a hassle 🤣
You're the best my ryzen now works smooth, no drops no crashes. You're deserves 7800X3D for that.
lol thanks
Thank you so much 😊
You're welcome 😊
Im getting this setup hopefully next week, any of the tweaks you did in this video, is there a risk that hardware gets damaged in anyway tweaking those things? Also does the memory need any tweaking? Im getting 2x 16gb g.skill flare x5's.
the worst that can happen with undervolting is crashing or instability
Helpfull thanks :)
No problem!
When you enable or put precision boost overdrive to advanced, is that basically msi's auto oc feature? Is that the same thing as game boost on the root menu?
Also at the end when you changed ppt, is that the same thing basically as changing the "tdp profile" i think the name was, i saw you messing with it on the bios tutorial video, with the exception that through ppt you can change it manually more accuratelly, rather than choosing from profiles which were like 105/85 etc?
msi gaming mode is a rather raw and power hungry way to increase clock speeds at the same time much more heat, i avoid it if possible
I got my 7900x down to 55w, 58c, all under max load. I only lost a very small bit of performance for doing so but it was worth it with the end results.
that is flipping amazing
Very informative and useful video about overclocking and undervolting on amd chips.., and what a difference in power and watts.., amd clearly went a bit crazy with their default oc settings.., started to look like an intel cpu.. 🤣
Glad you liked it
Underwatting is the way forward, just wish AMD made it a bit easier but Im sure that'll come in the near future. Thaaaaaaaaaaaaanks M+K 🙂
Fingers crossed! it really is easier to just enable eco mode and choose 65w but you do lose a chunk of performance as it stands at the moment
Fantastic video, it worked wonders for my cpu temps. But is this going to have a large impact on gaming performance?
Probably not might even improve it
@@mikesunboxing Great! Thanks for the response!
I’m pretty amazed how well Curve Optimiser worked.. here my results with Cinebench r23 on my 7600x.
Stock:
score 15025, 82,4 celsius, pulling 94,3W.
With CO - per core:
Score 15848, 67,2 celsius, pulling now 72,2W.
More then 20% of power reduction and 15 degrees cooler!
sounds good to me
Thank you!
You're welcome!
How are the auto tweaks towards cpu and memory optimization in this board and bios, any steps you should take to achieve them or does AM5 basically get the best results just enabling game boost on cpu and selecting seemingly best expo profile for the ddr? My goal is not to min max everything i can from the system, im happy if i can get something extra by tweaking or using some auto method without shortening the lifespan of the components.
it is similar but more flexible, the best option is to run in eco mode or 65w TDP limit, much cooler and less wasted power and still quite decent performance
Hi, Mike. Looks like the new Ryzen chips were designed to make everyone get a custom open loop. LOL. My 3900X system has never gotten above 72c after 10 minutes of Cinebench R23 with a top score of 20,070. Two copper radiators and a strong D5 pump does make a difference. And, it's quiet even with seven 120mm fans and two 200mm fans. 👍
yep custom cooling and increased costs / higher end parts all round really. considering a thermaltake custom loop at the moment
@@mikesunboxing I wouldn't buy their little custom loop Kit. It's kind of pricey for what you get.
@@OlettaLiano yeah i think I’ll buy individual pieces to cobble it together
@@mikesunboxing I'm sure you can handle it, but if you need any help picking out parts, let me know.
@@OlettaLiano Thanks 🙂
I was at ~27000 multicore on my stock 7900x pulling max wattage at 93°
After this I’m at 28938 with max temp of 77°
Monster score. I was a bit concerned after my initial 35W undervolt increased my score to 29000 but didn’t change the temps at all ~93°
Followed through with everything else with 142 on PPT and now it’s golden
Excellent work
So you set the system thermal throttle temp at 93° manually? I have the same cpu
Went from 95.4C° 14599 Points to 74.3C° 14793 Points, Thank you so much!
that is a pretty good result
Hi, Mike. Can I try the same settings on the 7600 non x? I don't have the advanced option on PBO with the latest bios update.
yeah sure give it a go
Friend, I know very little about the BIOS, I have a 7600X and I want to undervolt it, but I see in other places that other parameters are changed in the BIOS and I just didn't do it because it's not the same as MSI's
I wanted to know what I can do to have lower temperatures of my processor in a safe way, thanks!
easiest way is to set the TDP to 65w and you will still get great performance
Absolutely worth doing it!
I took a different approach and only did the `Config TDP` step, setting my R5 7600x to 65W, and also set the throttle to 85 as well.
The results: 5,4GHz (sometimes 5,9GHz in some cores) with the maximum 66 degrees celsius on the package. Amazing! :)
Which cpu cooler do you use
@@nhacspicy6444 I'm using a Noctua NH-U12A. All that in a Lian Li 216 stock configuration
@@cesardasilva892During Cinebench how much temp it goes upto?.
I'm using Deepcool GAMMAX L-240 A RGB cooler, with that after setting Max temp to 85 it is reaching that point only.
Regarding Config TDP
@@itsdanielparker7116 before the TDP config, it reached 87 degrees celsius. After the TDP config, it reaches 66 on Cinebench full load. During my game sessions, it keeps on the 55 ~ 60 degrees celsius.
You should consider the case airflow, your thermal paste and even the CPU cooler itself.
Underclocking is useful as you get more for less. Does that fixed the random crashing you had with it or there will be something like.. How to stop your ryzen system from crashing... Video?
good idea, seems much more stable now but i can't 100% put my finger on it so keeping quiet for now until i have results i can reliably replicate
@@mikesunboxing I'm still thinking about insufficient RAM voltage. Especially with first gen cpu. My Ryzen 1600 needed 1.38v instead of 1.35 to be stable with the ram set higher than 2133 with 2666 module.
TY for these tips my c23 score went from approx 14600 to 15200 for my 7600X just by doing the curve optimiser. Im stuck with integrated graphics right now so i wanna overclock it, do you know where in bios the igpu settings are usually located? (im using asrock b650)
nice!
Hey Mike I copied the exact same settings as yours and everything seems stable but I saw your CPU was running at 5.3ghz to 5.4 but mine at the end was running at 5.2 to 5.3. Is this normal ? Or should I lower some of the settings.
Also I got 14350 in the end result but yours was higher.
should be a little higher, but that is sometimes the lottery on cpus, and also cooling equipment. As long as it is stable that is the main thing
Can't tune on my Asus B650e-f bc Asus haven't got their drivers and things in order. They just recently fixed the compatibility of certain DDR5 to use EXPO. Right now I get BSOD if I adjust anything, even changing the temperature.
This is maybe easier to fix or at least advise if we can ask more questions and get direct answers, so feel free to join our Discord chat and we can go over it in more detail discord.gg/XtBTGQ6BDu
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My version of Cinebench, 2024, has GPU (system requirements) as the first benchmark option, and the numbers I generated with that are lower but relatively close to what he is getting in the video testing CPU ( Multi core), thenwhen I run CPU (multi core) the numbers are much lower, like 10% range, is this jus 7:51 t due ro updat since the video relesed?
could be that
Also i think with over 20*c Difference in temps from a Delided Ryzen 5 7600x that its well worth it and the risk of damaging chip
would never see more than 75% no matter the loads
Do you run the cinebench test for the standard 10 minute test?
for air cooling i do 3 or 5 minutes, they very quickly reach the levels needed for testing
thanks!
No problem!
I will follow these steps after work on my 7700X. Does this just adjust max temps and wattage or also idling temps? Usually I'm sitting between 45-47C which I think it's too high
it should bring it down a little
@@mikesunboxing so I applied the same settings (I use a Ryzen 7 7700X with a MSI PRO X670-P Wifi board and Corsair H110i Pro XT 240mm aio), temps drop 28 C and clock stayed at 5.5 GHz with max wattage of 87 W. I lost about 50 points in Cinebench ( I was using CB 24 instead of 23, but I don't think it makes a difference ). You think I should try and bump up wattage to get same results or it's not worth it ?
Try 90
Hi, thanks for the awesome video. I was wondering why I have a lower score than you on Cinebench. I have 7600x with 280 AIO in NR200P Max. I'm getting only ~14800 stock than after doing the settings and mine are -20, 85w, PTTL 80°F temps and wattage definitely went down from 94 to 79 max and 106W to 87W with cores being 61W. Cinebench score after was ~14400. Any idea whats going on?
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Hi Mike, is this valid for the 7900X or do i must set to 15 unstead of 30? Cheers
try 30 and see what is turns out like, or 15 and work up to 30 in steps
I know this is an old reply..... But I got my 7900x down to a max of it using 55w and with a max temp of 58c all under full load. All I did was put the CPU into AMD Eco mode, set the wattage down to 65. Then I set the PBO to -30 and then I undervolted the CPU by .05v.
Is it safe to tweak the 7800X3D with an ASUS board? I've read how this CPU gets burned because of voltage. Im going to use a 360mm with 3x Be Quiet Silent Wings 4 HS to keep the temperatures cool. 92 degrees is just absurd to have.
if you are going to tweak it, lower settings rather than raise them
Is this settings still ok with the new bios? I just built a PC with R7 7700x and I'm also getting 95 degrees. Thanks.
yes or just select the AM5 65w mode, that is sometimes easier
What if my system can't do - 30? I haven't tried messing with the 7600x as this is my first amd processor. Been a long time intel laptop user and I'm afraid that it may brick my system. Any advice? Thank you for doing guides like this good sir!
for a 7600 30 is asking a bit much as it is really low wattage to start with, 20 should be possible
@@mikesunboxingthank you so much! Im taking notes on your vids so that I can start tweaking tomorrow. Been a long time intel user because I used to buy gaming laptops and now that Im in a more permanent set up, pc seems to be the right way. Ive downloaded hardware info64 and Cinebenchr23 for tomorrows tweaking. You are a blessing to the pc community, thank you so much!
Would using a Kraken elite 280 AIO or a TR Peerless Assassin 120SE air cooler be better for a Ryzen 7 7800X3D?
280 aio is likely to be lower temps but more expensive
@@mikesunboxing I have the 280 AIO already but I just worry as it’s mounted on the outside of my case due to the length of my gpu
I tried the curve optimiser on my gigabyte x670 Altus elite ax with a negative 25 and it made no difference to temps or boost clock whatsoever. It seems gigabyte is not so straightforward, probably going to have to use Ryzen master and leave it running instead ☹️
that is strange, it should have made some difference? not tried many gigabyte board on AM5 yet so i can't be 100%
Helo gona try this. A question. I bought a kit of 32 gb of corsair vengace 6400mhz on sale and want to put them on 6000mhz but i have stability issues. There is any way or place when i can found how tu put the values to make them stables? thanks
update bios, then turn on EXPO or XMP.
Then enable context restore
then enable power down mode
It is acceptable for the 7950X to run at 55 degrees on idle? I'm using the MSI MPG X670E CARBON WIFI. Would like to take it lower, since my system fans are spinning on full blast.
Use the curve optimisation or eco mode that will drop it a lot
@@mikesunboxing It really doesn't though. On my 7900x it may have dropped by like 3-5c for idle temps.
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-TL;DR: If you are using a gigabyte motherboard and having problems with PBO, update to latest bios and enable PBO Enhancer to 90Level 2-3, save and exit, go back in and adjust your cores accordingly. Much better temps, freq. stays higher, same or slightly better performance.-
NVM, still getting high temps after more testing. Only thing that works is pinning the core clock ratio to ~5.x. Lower temps and the same scores. Something about the boost algorithm is driving the temps wild, it seems.
My 7600x will hit ~92 doing cinebench R23, but it'll hit 97+ during some torture tests.
All my cores are PBO -30, except core 5, with -25, and I'm using a Noctua DH-15 cooler.
During these specific torture tests that cause a lot of heat, I can also hear a whining sound, coming from around the cpu, while it's under load.
Edit: Went back to stock, max temps during R23 went down to ~86. So, tried PBO +10, thinking maybe they were reversed, back up to ~92.
Also had the highest score on stock settings. Idk, seems mine want to be left alone, lmao.
Edit 2: So, disabled PBO, pinned the clock ratio to 5.35 Ghz... Highest score in R23, using a max of 92 W and only reaching ~83 degrees. I can't make any sense of this, lmao.
Unstable, though. Crashed so hard on a torture test, I had to reset the bios.
Edit 3: After resetting my bios, now stock settings is acting like PBO -30 was before, and PBO -30 is providing the better temps/score. Not the first time I reset this bios, mind you.
Not sure why it's doing what it is.
there is a new 1.0.0.5c agesa bios update that might be worth looking at and the is a new eco mode
@@mikesunboxing I'm on the lastest bios for my board, F3
Edit: my bad, they must have uploaded a new bios today. I'll test it out soon.
@@mikesunboxing No difference. PBO -30 settings still hitting 88 in R23, still whining under certain loads, and still hitting ~98 in some torture tests.
OCCT cpu test, large data set, normal, variable. It'll stay at around 88 until 2 minutes in, when it shoots up past max temps. Only in the variable setting though. If I put in on steady, which you would think would produce more heat, it stays at a reasonable temp.
Edit: Solved. On the newest bios for gigabyte, I had to enable the new "PBO enhancement" feature. That option with 90level5, etc. It didn't seem to work in the last bios, but in this one, it won't apply the pbo settings until you save and exit. I'm now getting better temperatures than ever, with equal performance. Would recommend staying near level2 or 3. 3 will set all cores to -30, then you can adjust accordingly.
@@CigsInABlanket Glad you got it fixed and thanks for the info 🙂
@@mikesunboxing Nah, still getting high temps after more testing. Only thing that works for me is pinning the core clock ratio to ~5.x. Lower temps and better scores, at the cost of single core scores being worse. Something about the boost algorithm is driving the temps wild, it seems.
I have used pbo and did the curve optimizer with all cores negative 20 however my temps got higher for some reason but i did get higher clocks too , what could be the reason ?
sure it was a negative offset not positive?
@@mikesunboxing yes negative , but now i tried 25 and its much better
I have read that reducing the offset created a thermal gap so the cpu boosted even more and thus increased the temps , i guess thats the reason
Hi, when I do all this on my 7600X like yours, my glock speeds only go to 5ghz max unlike your 5.4ghz what might be the problem?
not sure could be a number of things really, like power and temps
When I set pbo limit they turn to 0 and not auto. I set the ppt to what I want but Idk what the tdc and edc should be? Can I just leave them at 0 and they will be auto?
yes that sounds about right
Do I need to change the PBO limit? Can I just change the curve optimizer negative 30 and platform thermal throttle limit 85? I have the same cpu
try it and see if it works for you
Does it help lower the idle temps too?
My cpu running 49-50c idle, room temp around 28.. idle temp for 7600x is bad
yes it will, mine is usually low forties high 30s
Hi, I have the same processor as you, R5 7600X using 5200mhz corsair 32gb ram with expo1 as you, using MSI B650 PRO-S WIFI, and I did the curve optimizer just as you did and it doesn't reboot, it gets stuck at the MSI logo while trying to boot up, I waited around 5 minutes and nothing happened, I restarted it and got back into the bios, disabled the curve optimizer thing and it worked well after. Any ideas why, please?
too aggressive on the undervolt? maybe try 10 rather than 30 or 20
@@mikesunboxing will try that, thank you for the reply
My preferred Fan curve on all my Systems since its been a thing
100% ALL FANS! at 30*C - NO CURVE!
Easier to keep something cool then try and cool it down later
Also Higher performance at say 40*c under load than 80*C under load for some thing its can be 10-15 or even 20fps gains
Hot parts ALWAYS , ALWAYS are slower (its just a fact of physics)
Not worried about the noise as i game with headset on and noise cancellation means nobody else on discord or comms can hear it either.
whats a good limit for 7800x 3d? also do i use pbo co and thermal limit?
i would be tempted to try it at 65tdp and see what the performance and temps are like
Well i set curve optimizer to minus 30, This is Ryzen 5 7600, i went crazy and set tdp to 85W (its 65w cpu) temp limit 85. Freq 5300. Even still stock cooler on it with old school close case. Runs w/o any problem idle temp is 48 49 side cover is open. I think i can go with 5500 too but i dont want to fry it with stock cooler. Only thing is it is not stopping or slowing down at 85 degree, keeps going n going. Here is my stupid question i know these numbers are super fine with stock cooler but why this thing is not slowing down over 85 degree? posibbly tdp value causing to that. Or bios has a bug. When i can save enough buy a good quality cooler probably i can see the real limits. But according to your video, this cpu is one of the better ones in the batch..
the throttle limit is usually 90-95 before it starts down clocking
Nice Video! I tried to set it to 30 and everything was fine, i got a higher cinebench score and lower temps but after that i kept getting bios freezes and Memory Management errors, even after disabling PBO completely i got an Memory Management Error, i had to disable the EXPO ram profile even though it was working before to get back in to windows, any ideas?
manually set the EXPO and ram timings, that worked well for me, we did a video on it recently after having DDR5 issues
@@mikesunboxing Thanks for the reply! I saw the video and i followed the instructions, after that i was able to experiment with the PBO again but after a couple of setting changes and restarts the bios freezes and bsod‘s came back somehow. If i reset the bios settings everything is fine again but it’s quite annoying because i would love to get the advantages of the PBO but i can’t seem to make it work, i also have the msi b650i edge, i‘m thinking of trying the new beta bios version or do you have any other recommendations?
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Why in my Msi B650 gaming plus with ultimate bios E7E26AMS.1A0 at -30 all core i have voltage cpu in stress cynebench 23 up 1.35 volt ?
not sure why that is, maybe it is happy to go that high and would have been much more.
Unfortunately on my 7600 power limit just doesn’t drop to the specified one. Generally used power was around 97-98W but when I set PPT in BIOS to use 80W it still uses 97-98W regardless. I also have offset set to -20 but still no luck on dropping temperatures:(
something a bit weird going on there, maybe go into curve optimiser and choose the eco mode option or 65w limit
@@mikesunboxing I’ll give this a go. Thank you
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If i put a fixed voltage and a fixed frequence it will be ok ?
Ex : 1150mv at 5ghz all time ?
Ryzen 7600, mobo aorus 650m pro
i would think so, but i'm no electrics engineer
I set my own 7950x with Corsair H150i 360 AIORAD to:
Curve Optimizer Negative 25
Platform Thermal Throttle Limit: 80 (Celcius)
(in milliwatts aka 1000x1w) PPT 140000 TDC 110000 EDC 170000
Only some stress testing and time.... will tell.. if I got them right.
hope it stays stable for you
Hi, did you find the right voltages?
@@PushCashTTV For the ram, or the CPU?
I found an easier way to underclock the CPU, at least on my Gigabyte AORUS Elite AX Motherboard... on the main Advanced Settings menu, there is a setting you can pull down (I believe it's called Active OC Tuner the 4th item down on Advanced Settings page) to set it to 90C Level 1, or 80C Level 1, or 70C Level 1 (or Level 2, 3, 4, 5). The first number is the target max temp you don't want the CPU to exceed. The second number is by how many millivolts x10 you want to undervolt the CPU.
Depending on your silicon lottery luck will determine how low you can undervolt your CPU before it will randomly crash on full load or not boot at all. In my case, Level 1 is stable. Level 2 was stable only until I put the CPU under full load. Level 3,4, and 5 my system would not boot at all.
If you mean voltages for memory, there is a video i found on YT of someone who got 4 DIMMs to run at 6000mghz and screenshots of his voltage and timing settings, though I have not tried them with my 5200mghz ram. From memory training, my RAM is running at 4800Mghz after boot (while in BIOS it will run at a safe conservative 3600Mghz, but speeds up once booted out of UEFI bios)
For me, even doing -30 PBO doesn't lower the temp, power consumption is always the same. It dropped about 20w on your CPU. I don't understand why. :/
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Hello i have yhe 7800x3d with an asus rog
strix b650e-e i see high temp spikes when i
load something max i see 81 c adn aio fans run full and noise but not so much when
i game is arround 65-70 max question how i
can decrease temp and what nuber i use in
curve optimization thanks the system is about a week so in new all
sounds like the cooler might not be mounted okay, or the pump speed is too low
I used tjmax 75 deg C, and -20mV core optimizer on my 7600. My mobo, Asrock PG lightning doesn't have many options like voltage limit. So far been stable, temp drops from 95 ish to 78 maximum using the stock cooler. Not quite sure about performance tho.
Any reason why my core clocks are at 500mhz? I followed your instructions. Cheers.
something has gone really wrong there i think, reset the BIOS to factory defaults and try again
i tried to undervolt my 5900x. the cores were a little faster, but the temps went way up. i undervolted by negative 30, but the temps went up by nearly 20 degrees C. very strange
was it definitely minus 30 not plus 30
@@mikesunboxing i had to double check, but yes. it was definitely negative 30. i took photos. i must just have a strange cpu. with just pbo enabled i am lucky to hit 4.2ghz in cine bench. but with pbo 2 i can get 4.6 in cinebence, with at higher temps. great video by the way, really enjoyed it
@@yosser33 Is your motherboard a gigabyte, by chance?
B550 Tomahawk @@CigsInABlanket
Do you disable “game boost” as well when doing this ?
i don't think i have ever used game boost, it usually is disabled as the default
My 7600x went into BSOD after setting it to -30 😢
Hey I have the exact same CPU and Mobo (7600x and B650 tomahawk). I applied the exact same settings and temperatures went down a lot! About 3 days after making the changes in BIOS, my PC started randomly crashing and restarting while playing games (not even demanding games). What settings should I alter to to prevent this?
I don't know if this is relevant but in Event Viewer I get an error message saying: "The AMDRyzenMasterDriverV22 service failed to start due to the following error:
Cannot create a file when that file already exists."
Please help, i'm not too tech savvy.
check out the DDR5 RAM setup guide we did it might fix that issue
@@mikesunboxing I had my PC built for me at a reputable PC shop because i'm not too confident in myself. XMP is enabled and the build is no older than 1 month so I doubt it's a hardware issue.
For more info, the MOBO was displaying a solid red LED next to the CPU label and when I undid the eco mode and curve optimizer it went away and there have been no crashes (at least for 3 hours now). The low temps were fantastic so it'd be nice if I could find some sort of balance that works for me with the settings but -20 CO +ECO mode was also crashing.
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Hey Sir, What about ryzen 5 7600(nonX)? Can I use the same settings as 7600x like yours in the video?
that should be pretty low anyway, i would suggest turn of PBO and core enhancment
@@mikesunboxing okay I will keep it default only. I downloaded Amd Ryzen master but later decided to leave it as it is. 😇🙏 Thank you. You are a great teacher ♥️
@@shivprasadp172 Thank you for your kind words 🙂
On my 7600 without x everything works as you showed except the last step of limiting consumption. Normally the 7600 draws a maximum of 91W according to HWMonitor, but when I set it to 85W like you do, the clocks freeze at 500 MHz :D
that is weird? not sure what is happening there iother than too much voltage restriction
@@mikesunboxingMy motherboard is an ASROCK B650M-HDV/M.2. The clock speeds increased after setting PBO to negative and 30, and the temperature limit to 85 works as well, but that's unnecessary for me because the processor only reached those temperatures with the stock cooler. Now I have the Endorfy Fortis 5, and the temperatures during a Cinebench test max out at 70°C. I don't know why the power consumption limit doesn't work; maybe it's the motherboard BIOS's fault, so I leave it on auto. I'm happy that the clock speeds jumped from 4.9 to 5.0.
@@patryk_4274got the exact same mobo and cpu, do u feel any difference in performance now a few days later? Maybe ill just skip the last part, seems like everything else worked out for you
Regards
@@Podex3.14 Nothing bad is happening, the CPU is working as it should, and the clock speeds are running slightly higher than without these settings. Yes, you can easily skip the last step and it still works. I'll just add that I have the latest BIOS version 3.01, which might make a difference if you haven't updated your BIOS.
@@patryk_4274 Appreciate it! I built this pc a week ago so l flashed mobo with latest 3.01 as well, so l guess i’m good to go
I had to come back and do this all over again, tried running ryzen master in eco mode as a experiment and the pc wouldn’t boot, I have g-skill ddr5 6000mhz and I read in Reddit that that ram caused issues with others. Had to pull CMOS battery but I’m back up now and the pc see the 6000mhz ram again. Very frustrating though.
glad you got there in the end
@@mikesunboxingI went to 90 watts, not going over 67c when running cinebench, score is a few points lower but not hitting 95c.
hello Mike my r5 7600x results:
79.6 degree 15285pt 105W
64.2 degree 14545pt 90w
what are u thinkin? is it worth to 700pt for 15 degree?
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yeah i run my 7700 at 90w roughly and gets to 64c with a 360 aio with 18500pt so that sounds pretty good
Amazing video from 95C i go to 70C
that is mighty impressive
What if we use Ryzen Master software instead of the bios?
that is fine, use whichever you prefer
Unfortunately, my rig won't load Windows when doing these settings, I have to keep the defaults.
sorry to hear that
Stock settings for my 7600x i was getting 14000 cinebench at 88°c. Now at -30 pbo curve ppc 88k tdc 80k edc 120k im getting 15000 at cinebench and 72°c because my cpu is running 300mhz faster!
Funny, lower edc like 70k mA got my score down like 13400 but 66°c. Don't know why this... maybe the cpu needs more power to run ?
I had
Hi can you do video on windows 11 wether to update or not from windows 10
all my pcs are on windows 11, think that answers the question 👍
@@mikesunboxing thanks
I tried with CO per core, some cores I set to -35, when playing games, I noticed that sometimes the cores jumped to 10000mhz, but no error happened, should I increase the CO to -30 ?, i use ryzen 5 7500f
if it is stable and performs well i would leave it
I seen 2 flaws. First : you didn't go expo 2, second: when using curve optimizer, You didn't go for load line calibration.
expo 2 would be slower? and load line calibration is automatic on most boards, and if set wrong the system can be very unstable, that isn't a good idea to be showing that to people that might not have the knowledge or ability to recognise or remedy that problem
@@mikesunboxing Expo 2 sets the secondary timings. LLC stops vdroop. On my X470 after undervolting my 5800x, -30 on most cores but 1, ( -25) I needed to set LLC or I couldn't sustain 4.835 all core in cinebench.
Undervolting my 7950x, again, have to use LLC.
It's not going to give you extra power. It's just going to make sure that the power is there while under load.
Do u have recommendations for ryzen 7 5800x bro?
negative offset magnitude 30
@@mikesunboxing on cpu voltage? Or curve optimizer? PBO Auto?
Hey, what settings to 5 7600 without X?
i would just go straight in with a -30 on the undervolt and leave the rest alone
Any chance you can put the values for 7700 non x? Thanks
looking forward to seeing these
6:00 👍
I was able to get my cinebench score up in the 15200 range … but unfortunately suffered crashes afterwards… that was with -20 … I tried -10 and now my score is 14,500 and no more crashes… I guess my silicone is average 🙁
not bad
A bunch of tips and complements to this video :
- None of the tips shown in the video helps with idle temps. If you want to reduce them, you'll have to disable some cores in Windows. I don't recommend.
- I can only recommend closing all useless programs (including ASUS Armoury Crate which for some reason keeps all cores awake and makes my idle wattage 75W instead of 20W) and background tasks you don't need (RGB controller, auto-startup programs in Windows task manager, internet -especially chromium based- browser).
- From experience (Ryzen 5800X), per core CO coefficients are better. I managed to pull -10 on my 2 fastest cores and -15 for the rest. Best cores are chosen by windows to be the most efficient, so it's common to fail putting the same undervolt on them than the rest.
- You're lucky you could put the CO at maximum on your chip.
- Reducing the platform thermal limit is a great idea.
- Still on my 5800X, PPT TDC EDC are 120/90/120. That's because I want to limit my thermal output.
- PPT is always 1.35x CPU's TDP. So for a 5800X that has a 105W TDP, the PPT will be 142 by default. Reduce this setting only if you want to sacrifice top power at 100% CPU usage for better thermals.
- Don't bother lowering clocks for lower heat like you'd do on intel's. Ryzen CPU's WILL run at max boost clock as long as they can, and skip cycles when there's no load on the cores.
- Curve optimizer is the way to go because each CO point doesn't represent a fixed amount of millivolts. It'll be 5mV at the top of the curve, and 3mV at the bottom. This is much better than raw voltage offset which will make your pc crash at very low loads (when some cores are idle).
- Ryzen chips are designed to run up to 95°C at max load. Expect 80°C with a high-end cooler. Don't try to lower these temps with aggressive fan profiles, you'll end playing on a leaf blower instead of a desktop.
My personal fan curve is a straight line, from (60°C, 0%) to (90°C, 100%) and I think even that is too aggressive.
some very interesting and useful tips there, thank you