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- In this video I take a closer look at the new Peanut 2 Mini Jig from @IntelligentFixings, available direct, or through @AxminsterTools Enjoy!
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Thanks for reviewing the Peanut Mini Jig Peter, you’ve explained how to use it perfectly! Very impressive first build too!! For those asking about our PEANUT cutter sizes, we will soon be launching an 8mm PEANUT cutter!
That is excellent news! I'm in! :-)
Woo Hoo! Cheers guys - it was an absolute pleasure to have the mini jig to play with, and I really enjoyed this first build with it; wont be the last! 🙌 👍
Great news, thanks 👍.
@Intelligent Fixings When you have one available will it come in a kit with the jig, do you think, or will it only be a separate purchase?
Any idea if this is coming to the States? The Axminster thing says it won’t ship to the US.
I can see a rail attachment with a sliding stop pin being a great add on to this, much some of the fancier looking doweling jigs.
Thanks for the great video.
Yet another highly informative of a product I have never heard of. I love the format of these videos - packed solid with information and no needless waffle. All videos of this nature should be no longer than 10 minutes. Peter Millard creates some of the best instructional woodworking videos on CZcams. Long may he continue.
Thank you! 🙌👍
Just purchased one using your link. Great price! Along with free shipping to the United States. Thanks Peter!
Nice! 👌👍
Really looking forward to getting one of these. Thanks for another great review Peter 👍
Cheers Anthony! Let me know how you get on! 👍👍
What a great little jig, and more likely to be used by a site guy like me than the full sized jig. Thanks for taking the time to make the video and show us. 👍
Thanks! Yes, that's the appeal of this one, much more site-friendly than the big jig which was much more workshop/carcass orientated. 👍
Thanks Peter for this. As always very informative. Going to be starting a build for wardrobes in my bedroom and think this may be a good option for internal fittings for me. Keep up the good work.
Cheers Duncan! Yes, sounds perfect for this.👌 👍
Excellent, got my one today, have not used it yet but it does feel good in the hand. Was unsure about how to use it in board rather than on the edge but you certainly cleared that up for me. Thanks
Thanks Kevin, glad it helped! 👍
Very impressed by this jig. Thanks Peter
Cheers Steve! Yes, it's a clever system - and British too! 👍👍
Hi Peter, yes a great idea making a larger jig can’t wait!
Steve
Cheers Steve! It's coming... 😆👍
Agreed - Make it happen Peter :)
Just ordered my Mini Jig
Steve
That's incredible at how much time is saved on waiting for glue to dry, and all the rest that's involved with your ups.👌🏽
Not to mention the fact that this can be disassembled and flat packed for ease of travel/moving house or for tradies to make in the workspace and cart to client for install. And that mini jig is a little ripper allowing the home handy man or DIY'er to get in on the action without breaking the bank.👍🏽
Cheers, mate.
Cheers Bill! Yeah, it's a clever system, the more I use it, the more I like it! 👍
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It comes along now that you've retired... Ppffttt! 😣
Oh well, better late than never. 😆
That was very interesting. I am a new woodworker and am still working with dowels but it maybe something I will use in the future. Thanks for your video.
Thanks! 👍
Brilliant! Buy the mini jig then build the big one, you`ve got to Peter but without infringing the patent. Excellent video as always Peter.
Oh absolutely. 👍
That looks like a very interesting bit of kit and relatively inexpensive considering it's capabilities. I have to admit I'm quite taken by the idea of using it for concealed hangers. Excellent video as usual Mr. Millard.
Thanks David. Yes, it really is a clever system, with low cost of consumables. 👍
Just ordered one using your affiliate link Peter. You're costing me a fortune!!
Thanks! 🙌👍
I would defiantly like to see the full jig build using the mini jig. I’m planning on making a fence with other angles that I need. Thanks for a great video!
Thanks! Yes, the diy jig is coming, just been set back because of the workshop makeover. 👍
As soon as I received the email from Axminster Tools this morning I thought of you and wondered if you would post a video on it today. I haven't watched it yet but thank you in advance!
Thanks! 👍
Hi Peter, looks like a great iteration for the less demanding applications, especially as it can be used for hanging in some situations. Now to find space on my "Bat Belt" for it.
Hi Steve, and thanks! Actually I think they're pretty good for demanding situations as well - they're immensely strong fittings. 👍
Great Video Peter
Just ordered mine
Thanks Clint
Excellent! hope you enjoy using it! 👍
Thanks Peter. I was looking for a good way to make my carcasses "knock down". This seems pretty solid.
Thanks! Yes, it's a great system and immensely strong; IF sent me a video tis morning showing a single fixing in MDF failing at 140Kg of axial load, and 225Kg in plywood. Can't quite get my head around it, tbh. 👍
Great concept. I bought one from Axminster got a replacement 8mm cutter from IF (who were very helpful) and tried it out a few times. To be honest I thought it was all a bit of a faff, so I went back to using my Lamello. Familiarity works best I suppose.
I like it. Good that they made a more cost effective starter set. Clever stuff.
Cheers Stew. Yes, very smart - and a great connector. 👍
I have bought the mini jig, the simplicity of the peanut system looks perfect. I thought myself about making a jig from the mini jig, if u do make one I would certainly be interested in seeing how u did it. If not i’ll give it a go myself at some stage. I’ve been working for myself now for 5 months & I’m always watching videos for tips on CZcams, keep up the good work Peter your videos are the best out there.
Thanks Paul! Yes, it's a clever system that ticks all the boxes for a one-man-band maker/installer or advanced hobby woodworker who wants a self-clamping, invisible fixing that wont break the bank. And yes, a DIY 'big jig' is definitely on the cards! 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Hi Peter, have you tried making the the big jig yet?
Another great and informative video, thanks Peter, stay safe
Thanks Paul! 👍👍
As ever, another brilliant video - thanks Peter.
Thanks James! 👍
Looks very nice and satisfying to use but heavens, what a price!
Anyway, as usual brilliantly explained.
Thanks! Well, it's less than half the price of the full-size jig & starter set, and the mini jig costs less than a box of Clamex fittings, so I think you probably need to see it in that context, but sure - it's not a disposable jig, that's for sure! 👍
I think I'm going to pick one up in the future to solve my knockdown fittings needs. Only thing that puzzles me is the 1/2" shank router bit. 8mm or 1/4" would've been much more preferable. Also I'm a bit leery of being at the mercy of consumables for this system. With the Domino at least you know you can grab them at the local store. With the Peanut I'd have to ship them internationally and hope they're available for many years to come.
Sorry Matt cant remember where you're based, but if it's in the US then US distribution is coming soon, I'm told. 8mm cutter is in hand, just the usual raw material supply chain problems. The Peanut 2 system was developed for industrial CNC and nesting machines, hence the 1/2" first approach. 👍
Hi, Peter, I just bought a complete set and just in time. I have a big project coming up and invisible fixings are needed. I hope this joinery is as strong as you described.
Cheers Paul. It’s exceptionally strong. I don’t know if it’s public yet, but I’ve seen IF videos showing a single peanut fixings failing at 140kg in MDF, 225Kg in plywood. So very, very strong. 👍💪👌
just what we needed more accessible yesssssssssss thanks Peter 😁💯👊
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Bought one earlier today before watching this video, did not realize you had a link, sorry Peter. Next time... Thank you for the fantastic content.
No worries, thanks Scott - I'm sure you'll be pleased with it. 👍
great liitle jig. it looks well designed. i like the jig being used to set the depth of the cutter and drill bit. .
i would like to see how it would work to join 2 cabinets together. this is something i have been looking for a way to do that doesnt require crazy investment.
Face to face connection is absolutely doable - I used it on the portable bench build to fix the shel in place and tie the legs together. Worked great. 👍
As always great interesting video Peter Need more of your videos please 👍👍👍👍👍
Thanks Carl! 👍👍
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Iv just treated myself to a Axminster AT254TS table saw with a Dado blade set
Can’t wait for it to arrive mate
Great video. I like the idea of this and may get one in the future. My only worry would be how long it takes - as compared to say dowels
Thanks! Sure, it's a jig & router system - it can't compare speed-wise at the machining stage to a dedicated power tool, but at the glue up stage it's way faster, because as it's assembled it's done - wether the glue's set or not. 👍
That is a good system and a nice looking coat rack/shelf.
Thanks Benedict! I enjoyed the build actually - was fun to do, and who knows - maybe it'll make a project in its own right! 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop You could also sell them as flat packs I suspect!
Thanks again for a very informative video this definitely will be my next purchase and I will be using your code many thanks one again 🙏
Thank you! 👍
Yet another great video, and would love to see the mini jig used to make the larger
one.
Thanks! And that’s a deal! 👍
Peter, I hope your passing your ideas and skills on to someone young who can work with you. I can only imagine what the next generation Peter will come up with. Enjoy watching your videos here in the states.
Great video thanks Peter this little jig really appeals as the cost of its big brother is prohibitive for my needs. My only concern is the accuracy you can get for shelves etc. Eyeballing the centre of the pin holes for alignment seems to be prone to error; a shame there aren’t little notches. Maybe one for V2. Also I’m not sure how you could clamp it in the centre of a board. Both challenges probably easily overcome by creating some sort of square fence though. 🤔
Thanks! Actually venturing the pin holes on a pencil line was one of the easiest things - probably easier than a notch tbh. And yes, clamping in the centre of a board is a challenge - mech easier to just screw it down, in line with the fixings so the holes are hidden by the shelf. A revised version may come with pre-drilled and countersunk holes. 👌👍
Hi Peter, just order my mini jig complete package, cost was a bit higher than expected ,by the time you factor in the up charge for the 8mm bit and the postage it comes at a shade under £200. But still cheaper than others systems on the market. Thanks for bringing the jig to my attention. Regards David
Thanks David. Must admit I haven’t checked prices recently - I kind of assumed that the 8mm but would be a straight swap for the 1/2”. I guess it all depends on sales volume etc... Good point re the shipping too. Out of interest did you buy direct, or through Axminster?
@@10MinuteWorkshop Hi Peter, bought kit direct from I.F did contact axminster but that would only supply the 8mm cutter as an extra, just tried kit out on some scrap mdf got the hang of in the end.
Was looking towards a biscuit joiner but seeing this, I might be tempted instead. A lot easier than using cross dowels! Will wait for 8mm.
Yes, it is; makes an immensely strong joint too!. 👍
Nice bit of kit & I like the design of the coat rack 👍. I bet figuring out the positions & orientation of the peanut connectors made your brain ache, it would mine 😂. As others have also mentioned, Batman might have a claim on that design.
Thanks! Yes, the direction of the fitting was mostly OK - I did screw up the backboard (with the hooks on) because I made the first one with the keyholes facing down, as they 'should' do - but realised that because the keyholes only allow 12mm of travel, I couldn't get the shelf in; easy option was to make the backboard push up onto the , though with the benefit of hindsight I could have (and now have) made a jig to make the keyholes longer to give 18mm+ travel. 👍👍
Hi Peter, just bought the mini look forward to making a larger jig
Steve
Excellent Steve! Big carcass jig is coming along nicely 👌👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop brilliant can’t wait!
I am awaiting my delivery! Not wanting to jump the gun but using the mini to create a larger jig does sound intriguing!
Excellent! It's a really clever system. And yes, using the mini jig to make the big jig has some appeal! 😆👍
Great job, thanks for your videos
Thank you! 👍
This looks like a great little jig and extremely well thought out, cost aside it makes the Peanut2 system far more versatile for jobs other than cabinetry. Really great video too by the way, no waffle just facts and a decently complex practical demo.
Thank you! Yes, I wanted something simple-looking that would challenge the layout capabilities of the system; good to hear it came across OK! 👍👍
As always enjoyable video. They look a lot better than those metal dowl and clasp things you get with ikea type furniture.
Thanks!Yes, streets ahead of the cam & dowel fixings. 👍
Great presentation 👍🏼
Thanks! 👍
Great video thanks for sharing. Just wondering how many times you could put together and take apart the peanut before it would stop keeping such a tight joint?
Depends on the material I guess? More times in ply than eg MDF, but there's a degree of adjustment on the peanut itself , so if a joint starts to get a little loose you can always nip up the fitting to accommodate it. Probably worth bearing in mind that I think they're intended as an invisible self-clamping fitting like the Lamello Tenso, rather than a knock-down fitting like the Keku or ButtonFix, which are intended for regular assembly and disassembly for eg trade show stands.
now i am getting the mini jig the price is just right thanks pete
Thanks! Yes, I think they've priced it just right for 'the rest of us'. 👌 👍
Hi Peter great video, my only question is if you have a mid shelf that requires fixings in the centre of the carcass how do clamp the jig down.cheers
Thanks! if you need to put a fixing in mid-panel, then with the mini jig it does require a bit of thought to get a clamp in there. But thanks to the hive mind of the Patreon and CZcams members who've had a week or so to noodle this one around the answer is - you screw it down. Simple, effective and invisible provided you place the screws inline with the peanut fixings as they'll be hidden by the panel. 👍👍 Or of course, you use your mini jig to make your own 'big jig' to accommodate that... 🤔
This is great. It’s one of those ideas that makes you wonder how no one has come up with this idea before. I could definitely see this being added to a kit list. All I have is a drill and a circular saw, Peter, so I’d like to know if you plan on a top ten tools to have video, unless of course you have one? Thanks as always.
I’ve recently done a ‘10 tools I wish I had starting out’ video here - czcams.com/video/enmHfvgRTrw/video.html 👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop. Brilliant! Thanks 🙏
Looks like a great and affordable solution! Still can't wrap my head around on how this creates a slope on the entry path of the router bit. They say it drops 2.1mm within 10mm sideways move and then travels level. How is this done with just a plunge cut? Can you help me out?
That's only in the CNC application; with the jig & router it's an even - but precise - keyhole t-slot, that, as I understand it, causes the leading edge of the peanut to drag, which makes it tighten as it's pushed along. 👍
Thanks Peter. Was really looking forward to this and it didn't disappoint except for the fact that the cutter is still only 1/2" shank meaning I'd still need a new router just for this so that's not likely in my case unfortunately. Any reason they couldn't make 3/8"?
It was designed originally for industrial CNC and nesting machines where 1/2" is the norm. There is an 8mm bit coming but the manufacturers are struggling for supplies of the raw materials - same story everywhere, unfortunately. But it is something they're aware of and have put in hand. 👍
OK, that's good to hear. I'm not in a rush as I can't do much woodworking in a Finnish winter as I don't have a shop and work outside so I can definitely wait :-) Thanks a lot.
Neat. With the way the board is attached to the sides, wouldn't a heavy jacket have a tendency to pull the board down into the holed part of the key hole?
Thanks. I originally made the back board the 'correct' way round, but because the fitting is directional with only 12mm of travel, I couldn't move the shelf out of the way enough to complete the back board fitting, so I swapped it around to push upwards into position. In reality, these fittings are immensely strong - rated at 225Kg in plywood, that's more than three of me to make a single fitting move, and there are four fittings, so basically zero chance of that back panel moving, unless you wear 900Kg armoured jackets, lol! 💪👍
I'd love to see you making a full sized jig out of the mini jig. Let's say this video got me "mini peanut curious" 😂. I'll actually buy this mini one after the video. Hope the links are affiliate ones otherwise it would be a shame to not be commissioned after such a nice video.
Well done again.
When you disassembled the shelves in a flat pack I was like "OMG now I know I need that" 😂.
Great work man.
Thanks Douglas! And yes, it really is a clever system - and British too - and deserves to do well. Like you I had one of those light bulb moments when I realised how easy it would be to supply a flat-packed piece for tool-less home assembly. Actually this came out of a conversation with my pal Karl @strawbyteworkshop who told me he'd had to write four pages of instructions for someone to self-assemble something made with Domino Connect fittings! 😱 😂 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop You need to put purchase requirements ("Requires previous experience with LEGO"). Indeed, as a hobbyist I would find this a little bit expensive, but still worth it, as I need to make my furniture in my attic or another small place. But as a professional furniture maker, I would not think twice to buy it if you think about the amount of hours one could save in making, fitting, writing instructions, etc... Or if I want to be really dramatic, even if one doesn't make a production line, it's more time with your children as they'll grow too fast and you'll regret for the rest of your life for not being there more often. lol
Always think of the children, Douglas! 😂
Will they do a Robin side kick jig?
i was giggling away thinking the exact same thing
Special edition in high visibility colors.
It took me a couple of seconds. Now I can't unsee it.
That''ll be the 'BoyWonder' edition. 👍
Holy Bat Wing Batman!
Pretty sure the patents are registered to Bruce Wayne.
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I would love to see the mini jig make the full size jig. My vote is yes.
Deal! 👍
Great video as always. One small observation, when you assembled the coat rack, won't the back come loose with the weight of a heavy coat or bag, as you slid it up towards the centre shelf?
Thanks. I originally made the back board the 'correct' way round, but because the fitting is directional with only 12mm of travel, I couldn't move the shelf out of the way enough to complete the back board fitting, so I swapped it around to push upwards into position. In reality, these fittings are immensely strong - rated at 225Kg in plywood, that's more than three of me to make a single fitting move, and there are four fittings, so basically zero chance of that back panel moving, unless you wear 900Kg armoured jackets, lol! 💪👍
🥲Take a sledgehammer to it. You will feel so much better. Make sure to film it so we all get satisfaction also.
Looking forward to this!
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Hi Peter. You use the Peanut to attach to the mdf wall panel. How would you use it to attach to plywood or brick? It would be a very good system for floating a shelf.
Thanks Andrew. It's screwed on, so whatever you'd normally use to attach a screw to a substrate should work, just remember depth of the peanut in the keyhole slot is critical, so it would needs to have a flat surface for the work to bear against. 👍
Quite clever. Now we just have to wait for it to be available over in the states. $205 + shipping is still a bit steep at the moment
I believe they'll have US distribution available very soon. Shoot them, a message for details 👍
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Hi Peter,
Great review as always! DIYer shortly looking to make a load of kitchen carcasses and new wardrobe for bedrooms...I saw your full size jig review and then this one seemed just the ticket for what I'm looking to achieve.
Only question is how accurate are they / easy to align on mid shelf joints? The ones on the end using the gravity pins look super easy and accurate but I can't seem to find anything for additional fixings on a longer edge for example...
Hope you can help 👍
Thanks Neil. Apologies if it wasn't clear, but I do say in the vid at around 4:15 or so that for placement where there's no edge reference eg a mid-carcass shelf, then you can centre the jig on a pencil line using the gravity pin holes, and align it laterally using the two notches on the jig that mark the start and end points of the keyhole slot. Works very well. 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop thanks for clarifying that Peter, I'll be sure to use your link. Thanks again 👍👍
Thanks for the video been waiting for this one think the wife might let me get this one lol.
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Glad to see it's not just me who thought that mini jig looked like the batman symbol🤣🤣
The caped crusader, he gets everywhere... 😂
It looks like the Batman logo interesting 👌
So the cost rack part slides up to lock in? I'd have thought the weight of the hanging coats would make it drop.
I originally made the back board the 'correct' way round, to drop down, but because the fitting is directional with only 12mm of travel, I couldn't move the shelf out of the way enough to complete the back board fitting, so I swapped it around to push upwards into position. In reality, these fittings are immensely strong - rated at 225Kg in plywood, that's more than three of me to make a single fitting move, and there are four fittings, so basically zero chance of that back panel moving, unless you wear 900Kg armoured jackets, lol! 💪👍
Thanks, as always, Peter. You’ve inspired a purchase again and I’ve just taken delivery of the mini jig. I was expecting to find some alignment marks for mid edge / face joints. However there isn’t anything obvious, and seemingly no drawings or measurement available. How do you deal with alignment in these circumstances?
For mid panel connections I used the two notches in the jig as reference points against a pencil line, and centred the line in gravity pin holes. If it’s a larger panel and clamping is difficult, then just screw the jig down on the panel-line - the holes will be covered by the panel. 👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Thanks, Peter. So are you saying essentially drawing a line and then “eyeing up” a line through the gravity pin holes. (I guess this problem is eradicated by buying the larger jig.) Or am I creating a problem in my mind that doesn’t exist? Seems like a super precise jig that relies on “eyeing up” for mid point fixing which kind of seems self defeating. Or have I missed the point entirely? (Which is highly probable 😂). Perhaps I should have gone for the large jig - but was struggling to justify the expense simply for being peanut curious.
Great video, thanks
Thanks! 👍
Seems like a great tool for installs where pre-assembly is not an option. How do you rate them for strength vs dominos?
They're immensely strong - stronger than Clamex, which are almost stupidly strong. 👍
I wanted the Lamello as a complementary piece to my Domino, but I ordered the Mini Jig when I saw IF's videos a few days ago. Seems like a good value tool.
It is - especially considering the cost of the consumables - almost 1/10th the cost of the Clamex. 👍
I believe I can also forego clamping after glue ups. That alone makes it worthwhile.
Hi Peter I've been testing out the mini jig and I was wondering if there was an easy way of lining up the jig to incorporate a devider or shelf in a cabinet. I've removed the fence and lined the jig with a square but seems a bit hit or miss weather you hit your mark or not. Would appreciate any help. Regards David
Hi David. It's an area that I haven't really explored with the mini jig tbh; in an ideal world you'd want to reference off the base of the mid-panel, but I honestly haven't looked to see how you\d do that with the mini jig. I think a centre-line may be the best you can get - which to be fair, worked really well on the hallway coat rack I made - but as I say I haven't got that far with it trying to reference off a base-line. Maybe one for @intelligentfixings, as they have much more experience in using the mini-jig than I do. 👍 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop thanks for your advice
Great videos Peter cheers. This looks like a great jig, the larger one being more useful.
I currently make my wardrobe builds with screws but I'm looking at a new system for speed once on site and also I need the space onsite at the moment to lay the 2.4m pieces on the floor to screw together. They are predominantly MFC would you recommend a move to, Dominos, lamello or peanut IF ? The cost isn't the decider it's more the neatness convenience, strength, speed. TIA cheers Kieran
Thanks Keiran. The larger jig is geared more towards carcasses, the mini jig more general purpose and smaller cabinetry - or making a big jig...
As much as I love my domino I'd say no for this - unless you're going to continue to screw the carcasses together as well, or unless you have a use for it in general joinery. The Connect fitting for the Domino isn't good enough and they're crazy expensive IMHO, and if you're using regular dominos then you're either clamping up on site, or still using screws. The Tenso isn't strong enough for carcasses IME - I've had the top come away from the side when I was lifting it up into position to fit the back and while Clamex is quick and easy, it's expensive; I know you said cost isn't the decider here, but as someone with both systems it really does make you think when you have ~96 fittings on a piece - the 3p each domino or the ~70p tenso, or the ~£1.40 clamex?? You decide... 🤷♂️
And into all this comes the Peanut 2. It was made with MFC in mind, it's the cheapest of the three systems and the cheapest of the plastic fittings by a long way. It is a jig & router system so it can't compete on speed at the machining stage, but it catches up at the construction /glue-up. Honestly, if you already have a 1/2" router and 30mm bush, then £170 spent on the mini jig & starter bundle is far and away the easiest way of trying any system out, short of stealing one - it's half the price of the domino connect set (you'd need to add your own Domino) and cheaper than the smallest box of Clamex fittings (you'd need to add your own Zeta). If you decide the Peanut's for you, then you can either make your own full-size jig (video out on that soon) or buy the big jig - bare though, as you already have the hardware.
So you pays your money, you makes your choice. I'd seriously look at the Peanut jig though, before dropping £1450 (machine and a box of fittings) on a Zeta. 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Fantastically detailed thank you Peter. After watching you're videos several times your answer has actually echoed what I derived from them! I'm tempted to still buy the large domino for doors etc but I'll be buying the peanut system through your affiliate and I have just joined your patreon. Thanks again 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Hi Peter, I seem to remember mention of the need to use a 30mm low profile guide bush with the Peanut 2 jig? Also, have you any experience of using the 8mm version, i ask because although I have several corded 1/2" routers IF use the Makita 18v in their demo videos and this looks more manageable to me (I also have the Makita cordless). Would appreciate your thoughts
You need a low profile guide bush with the original jig, but not the mini jig as it has a full-depth cut-out instead of an insert. I’ve used 8mm shank bits in 1/4” routers a few times, and whilst it’s worked OK I’m personally happier with the larger mass of a 1/2” router. 👍
Thanks for the great video! I tried my mini jig today and noticed the following problems, would be very grateful for any help/tips:
* As instructed by Intelligent Fixings, I used #6 2" (US) wood screws, and all of them snapped with fairly low torque (in cherry). Finally adding a separate pilot hole (in addition to the large 6mm hole for the peanut) let me insert a screw without breaking it. Maybe this is obvious to a non-beginner woodworker? If the jig is not meant for use with hardwood, it would be good to mention.
* The instruction manual mentions a "standard 30mm guide bush", however, it seems that neither Bosch nor Porter-Cable sell such a bushing (these seem to be the two most common "standard" systems available). Do you have any suggestions for an appropriate guide bushing for those of us who don't own a Festool router? Am I missing something obvious here?
Thanks Marek. Thanks so much for taking the time to comment and feedback. I don’t work for intelligent fixings, but they do monitor comments and I’m sure they’ll be along soon to add to mine.
Re the first point, I’m sorry but that is kind of an obvious one; you’d never try and drive a 2” #6 screw into cherry without a pilot hole - the fact that you’ve drilled a 6mm hole for the peanut may make driving a screw in there easier, but it will need a pilot hole in hardwood. And re the guide bush - sometimes called a copy ring in the US - then 30mm is a universal standard, widely available just about everywhere, from every manufacturer, plus a whole host of third-parties. I don’t know which router you have, but here’s a link to a Trend one on Amazon - amzn.to/3bpE5x0 - and depending on your router, you may need a sub base for it.
You make a very good point though about new users getting their hands on this though; I’ll confess I assumed that anyone interested in this would already have some experience in using routers, or prior experience with other jointing systems, and if that’s not the case then perhaps there’s the need for an ‘absolute beginners’ guide to the peanut system?
Thanks again for taking the time to comment - the feedback is very much appreciated, and let me know if there’s anything else I can help with. Peter
@Peter Millard Thank you! I realize that trying to build solid hardwood knock-down furniture, I might not be exactly in the target audience of this channel, but it has been a wonderful resource when it comes to understanding all these different fixing systems. The mini peanut is very appealing to beginners like me.
I didn't find a 30mm guide in specialty woodworking stores or big-box hardware stores here in New York, but with the name "copy ring" you kindly brought to my attention, I finally found these:
Official Bosch guide: www.amazon.com/Bosch-2609200142-Template-Guides-Fastening/dp/B000XITD2A/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=3165140062879&qid=1613963242&sr=8-1
Porter-Cable (screw-on) style guide (I bought this): www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00382UOGM/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Hi Marek, sorry to hear about the difficulties you’ve had. It sounds like Peter’s advice has been very helpful. We will review our advice to our clients regarding screw length.
One other option to avoid a pilot hole would be to reduce the screw length. In hardwoods like Oak or cherry 1.5” would be sufficient. Again sorry for not covering this in our guidelines.
I am having issues with the peanut 2 mini jig, I hope it's some setting I have confused or something, I used the depth gauge on the jig but my keyholes are not deep enough for the peanuts. I checked the router and drill bit settings numerous times, with no change
Check the router guide bush - some of them are very long, and prevent the remoter from plunging all the way. If it’s not that, then give the guys at Intelligent Fixings a shout - they’re very helpful
And know the system inside out. 👍👍
Will order one as soon as the 8mm cutter is available
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Oh Peter... another tool you're going to make me buy....🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Ah Barry - remember it's 'just a jig' - no power chord, so doesn't count as a 'proper' tool... 😆 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop oooooooohhhhhhhh I see and love that logic Peter..... blaming you is starting annoying Mrs 74... so that's brilliant... 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
It's the right hanger positioned a few mm lower than the other two?
Nope.
I wonder just how often parts can be taken apart and reassembled. A duty cycle. As an amateur astronomer; a lot of the dobsonian (Newtonian reflector) telescopes are broken down for transport to a dark sky site and for storage. This has potential for making such a scope. I fear the peanut would outlast the wood in such a test; but if one uses a nice hardwood, maybe a metal peanut could be developed for such applications.
It isa designed as a knock down fixing, but my understanding is that the peanut needs to deform slightly to create the drag that tightens it in the slot, so I don't think a metal peanut would work; presumably the peanuts could be replaced when they became worn though??
@@10MinuteWorkshop Ah! Now that makes sense.
So Peter the "self-clamping" action comes from the little rubber bubblies being compressed in the hole? Looks like a very good system for the hobbyist who wants to have something but doesn't have the $$ for the domino and frankly doesn't do enough cabinets to warrant it.
That's a little 'damning with faint praise' I think Lawrence! These are very strong connectors (225Kg in plywood) and I'd take them any day over a eg a Domino Connect fitting. Also as a self-clamping, non marking, invisible connector, I think they're a serious competitor to the Lamello Tenso - just using the router you already own, instead of having to spend ££€€$$ on a Zeta. But yes, priced in a way to appeal to one-man maker/installers and hobbyists alike, for sure. 👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Hi Peter! Not meant to be DWFP {isn't that a great phrase though?!)......was just trying to understand how, without the cam action of the lamella or the festool, the compressive force was implemented for the joint. If you are happy that is good enough for me!!
No worries Lawrence - and yes, it’s a great expression! Honestly, I’ve had it explained to me by the guy that invented it, and I still don’t quite get it, but it is incredibly strong, and more than good enough for anything I’m likely to make! 👍👍
I still don't get how it pulls the joint up tight when it is assembled? Like I can't work out how the Lamello cutter cuts a 'T' in a circle when the cutter is plunged into the workpiece!
Easy visual demo of the clamex here - instagram.com/p/CLEB_rDMD5O/?. Re the Peanut, my understanding is that it's very precisely machined to make the peanut deform just enough to cause drag, which causes it to tighten. But I'm just happy to accept that it works! 🤷♂️👍
"Peanut curious" 😂
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if there were Polish subtitles, I would understand better, but I watch and like. Your channel is great, I've been watching for a long time and it's great
Thank you! 🙌👍
New?.. Didn't I see Batman with one of those in the 60s? Still I am rather more tempted by this, than the full sized one.
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I really hate the cam lock knock down fittings. I think the peanut system has a bright future. I'm tempted to dabble with the mini jig.
Yep, same; really clever system, lots more to come with this. 👍
It's a shame the gravity pins arent used on the larger jig. The centre piece on the larger jig doesn't look very precise.
Also that gravity pin should be in a position to maybe drop into the last peanut so you can use the min jig to router a bigger project if needed.
Not sure how you’d incorporate them into the big jig tbh, and the centre piece is as precise as you are. I know what you mean about being able to string out a line of fixings - that was the idea behind the original Domino pins - but in reality you want the pins to place the fixing reasonably close to the edge of the board, which makes them too close together if you use the pins to space them out.
A much better price for the hobbyist. One thing that I am getting from the videos is that you have to be very careful about getting everything aligned correctly. Your intricate design demonstrated the versatility of the system but I reckon a customer might have problems constructing it from a flat pack.
To be fair, you need to align everything carefully wether you’re using dowels, dominos, Clamex, Tenso or even cam & dowel connectors. And re a customer putting this together, as long as the instructions were clear it’s the easiest thing imaginable; it only goes together one way. 👍👍
That big jig looked a bit cumbersome (I can understand for large scale work/production) and the price was a bit whoooooaa but that mini that's well within price range do they specify a weight for wall attachment (dependant on material substrate etc)? I can already think of a few places that could come in handy, good vid Peter shall be looking into this further and I agree with the chap who mentioned about a 1/4 chuck 1/2 seems a bit overkill would like to put it in my Makita Battery palm router would fit the the box I already have it in!
Thanks! Yes, I think they've pitched this one just right. The system was developed for industrial CNC and nesting machines, hence the 1/2" bit, but there's an 8mm shank bit coming soon. It needs to be a plunge router remember, to get the keyhole shape. IF sent me videos of tests this morning that showed a single fixing failing at 225Kg in plywood, and 140Kg in MDF - I'd expect them to on their website before too long, but that's almost stupidly strong! 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop 140kg in MDF is mad (I use MR MDF so expect it will go 160KG at least, this might be a goer to buy
Exactly the router I want to use it with. Hopefully I can find an 8mm collet to fit it at worst if no true 1/4 cutter appears.
Once again thanks for making this video and an excellent demonstration. It is impressive and clearly has plenty of applications - but personally, just too pricey for me especially as it does not include guide bushes and router bit. You convinced me to buy a TS55, and a Domino - but an expensive jig - meh.
However good luck to the developer and I can appreciate the need for a decent ROI on their investment but feel the price will depress volumes.😀👍
Thanks Norman! The starter bundle includes the router bit and peanuts, but you do need to have a 1/2" router and guide bush, and tbh it's pitched at folks who have that already, maybe have a domino already, but balk at the price of the Domino Connect fittings, or wince at the cost of the Lamello Zeta, and fittings. But you and me both, we can enjoy our Dominos! 👍😆
Thanks Peter, my bad, I got the wrong end of the stick. Not at all unknown.😉
What is the diameter of the peanut cutter? Can i use it with my makita rt700?
It's a half-inch bit, with an 8mm shank available as an option soon. 👍
Don’t hang anything heavy on that coat rack.
The downward pull, will pull the back plate loose.
No, it really wont. Each fitting is capable of holding 225 Kg - that's more than three of me, and there are four fittings in that panel; there's zero chance of that back coming loose.👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop okay. Cool. Thanks for info. 🥰
Hello Peter! Nice video 😊 Watch please 1:03 can't understand what is this. Center MDF and 2 other sides HDF (high-density fiberboard)?
Looks like moisture resistant mdf (MR MDF).
Yes, it's MR MDF; depending on the manufacturer, and the board thickness, it's either green all the way through, or just a green core; at 18mm thick, Medite MR has a green core. 👍
Thank you 😊
Thank you Peter 😊
Hard to center pencil marks on the circles rather than points
TBH that's what I thought originally, but in practice I found it very easy to centre on a circle 👍👍
Could do with having a line scribed across the circles
was interested in the peanut and this has just tipped the scale for me to try it. next tool purchase is now decided :D
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1/4 inch. Very clever system but let me throw my weight (and that is considerable) behind 1/4. There must be some battery powered 1/2 but overwhelmingly battery routers are 1/4. The versatility would be enough to convert me from curious to confirmed. If they do make a 1/4 version ask them to do a 1/2 AND 1/4 for the versatility.
It was designed originally for industrial CNC and nesting machines which are all 1/2” spindles. There is an 8mm shank bit coming - in tiny quantities now, but raw materials are hard to get - and most 1/4” routers can take an 8mm colett. If you’d like to add your considerable weight to the 1/4” roar, I’ve pinned a comment from Intelligent Fixings at the top of the list, so folks can reply to that. Hadn’t thought of battery routers tbh - don’t own one, never used one, never seen a battery plunge router, but presumably you can get a plunge base for those little palm routers?? 👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Never let the inventor dictate what his or her invention is going to be used for, otherwise circular saws would still be used by surgeons to hack off limbs. Yep, I have a battery powered router with a fixed and plunge base. For my use the battery comes out first and more frequently. The beast comes out for 1/2 bits and long routing sessions.
@@10MinuteWorkshop will ad my aud to the pin
Thanks! Must take a look at battery routers!👍👍
In complete agreement with you here, Sheil. I assumed that the mini-jig would have had cordless 1/4 inch routers in mind here to work with such a small jig. I can only think of one - the Milwaukee I think - that comes ready to take an 8mm as well as a 1/4 inch bit.
Not 100% convinced by the peanut system (yet!), although I love the fittings (and their price!), but if I were to jump on board I'd probably pay to have a 1/4 inch peanut cutter custom made rather than fit out a few 1/4 inch routers with separate collets.
Thanks Peter for another great video of a product that looks really interesting but I'm surprised that the router bit is not available in 1/4" which rules out the use of trim routers that mainly come in 1/4". Their web site calls it a "complete" kit and yet a specific and needed router bit is an added extra. Also by the time you add the cost of this bit, 44 pounds, the cost of extra peanuts not available at the local hardware store and international shipping then this becomes out of reach for the average hobbyist. It really makes pocket holes, biscuits and dowels are much more viable option. To me, the only benefit of this system is if you want to disassemble it and flat pack it for transport or sale. Sorry for being negative but it is not cost effective.
Appreciate your thoughts John, and let me try and answer some of them; it was originally designed as an industrial connector for CNC and nesting machines, which are all 1/2”. An 8mm shank bit is coming - most 1/4” plunge routers can take an 8mm colett - but I agree a 1/4” shank would be good to have as an option. The jig & starter bundle has everything you need except for the router, but no, as a system that’s relatively new to this sector, it’ll be a while before you can run to a hardware store to buy a bag of peanuts; out of interest does your local hardware store also sell Clamex or Tenso connectors for the Lamello Zeta? I know mine doesn’t, and that’s what this system is competing with, non-marking, self-clamping connectors. I’ve pinned a comment by Intelligent Fixings to the top of the page btw, I’m sure they’d appreciate the feedback directly as a reply there. Thanks! 👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Yes you're right, my local store doesn't stock dominos. lamellos etc but local shipping in Australia isn't expensive for those stores that stock these things and most are within driving distance but international shipping is another story. When you add up everything you need including the jig, router bits, extra peanuts, guide bushings and shipping then it becomes too expensive for what it offers. I can see its place in the market and can see how this would appeal to some but from a personal point of view, not for me. Then again if Intelligent Fixings want to send me a kit to shut me up and/or promote this product in Australia then that's OK. Wink! Wink!
Thanks for the reply John! Yes, I don’t work for Intelligent Fixings so I’m not privy to what their international distribution plans are; I know they’re rolling out US distribution shortly, but rest of world I really couldn’t say. But they’re very receptive to comments and suggestions - drop a reply on the comment thread pinned here, and who knows?? Totally understand where you’re coming from though, and thanks for taking the time to reply. 👍👍
@@WasimBarri Hi John, thanks for your thoughts. I think Peter has answered them very well. We do intend to find a distributor in Australia ultimately and would welcome any suggestions.
@@IntelligentFixings Carbatec is the largest woodworking equipment supplier in Aus. and they cover all the major capital cities. Carbatec are also in New Zealand. Timbecon is also a major supplier in Perth and Melbourne.
Looks like a useful system but expensive for an MDF jig and a router bit.
Well, it's not MDF, and the router bit is proprietary. Feel free to think it expensive, but compared to what, out of interest? It's literally half the price of the basic set for the Domino Connect - which also needs a Domino to be of any use; and the jig costs less than the smallest box of Clamex fittings - which also need a Lamello Zeta to do anything useful. It's not cheap, no - but give it some context and compare like for like. 👍
I accept you point re comparisons but all it actually does is route a keyhole slot, that’s the genius part. It depends on what their business model is but I think they would sell a lot more peanuts if the jigs weren’t so expensive. A Trend keyhole bit is 10 quid!
Peanut curious😂
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