Peanut 2 Jointing System - the mid-range solution? [Gifted/Ad**][video 429]
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- In this video I take a closer look at the Peanut 2 connecting system from @IntelligentFixings, available through @AxminsterTools and try to figure out if it's the perfect mid-range solution, at not much more than a decent biscuit jointer, and half the price of a Domino or Doweller.
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Incredible piece of kit. As a furniture maker this has helped me massively. Super easy to use and creates extremely strong joints. Perfect for woodworkers at all levels of experience!
Thanks Archie! Haven’t had mine for long - and I have alternatives - but I can absolutely see the benefits. 👌👍
Thanks Peter for a great review - a fantastic demonstration and perfectly presented!
Thanks folks! It's a great system and I'll look forward to putting it through its paces in more detail in future videos. 👍 🙌
I'll be buying one off the back of this video so maybe you would like to think about a discount code and kick back for Peter 😀
I`m not even a carpenter but I enjoy your vids so much. The more I`m watching your vids the more and more I`m planning to create my own workshop home for DIY projects.
Thanks! 👍👍
I was the same. I started watching a lot of woodworking videos to learn how to do basic stuff, and now I've made my own workbench and I'm making picture frames and so forth. I have no training or background in it just a passion to build things! If I can do it anyone can.
I was taught the same thing in GCE woodwork lessons in the 70s, we used wood screws though. I really like this modern version of that system.
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found out about the system a couple of weeks ago. Bought it and have it set up on our Biesse Rover A cnc. Very pleased with it. Thanks for sharing how to work the jig.
Thanks! Good to hear it’s working for you! 👍👍
Thank you for the review Peter. It's definitely looks like an interesting system. I'll look forward to seeing the mini jig 👍
Thanks Phil! 👍
What a brilliant looking product! 👌🏽
Such a broad range of use across pretty much 95% of your builds.
Thanks for sharing, mate. 👍🏽
Cheers Bill! Yes, for the cabinet and carcass work, and bookcase/shelves I’m pretty sure I could use these exclusively - If I didn’t already have the Domino and Lamello! 😂🤷♂️👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop
Hahaha, well of course...😉
But I did mean as in "you/your" being who ever buys this awesome bit of kit.👍🏽
Great stuff. It's funny that I watch this channel for learning about woodworking and cabinetry info but I also watch because I enjoy the professional way you present your craft. Also, your voice is super calming. If you ever catch on with the ladies in my country you'll run like wildfire here in the US. You have a Bob Ross quality to your voice coupled with a James Bond kind of refinement. Anyway, as always great content and thank you for introducing us to this system. Great job.
Thank you! 😆👍👍
Peter, as ever you continue to knock it out of the park with your intelligent, balanced and considered demonstrations and reviews.👍 Its an interesting system and clearly offers significant advantages for professionals who have some volume requirements for carcass construction.For these users who probably have a power drill, router and workbench already then the cost of the jig and the bits and bibs that go with it is quite reasonable. For those critical of the developer (at the price point) probably have no concept of how much time this took to develop and how that places into insignificance the cost and time to bring to market. It’s not for me as I have no need for knock down cabinets and just use my very expensive domino (bought as a result of watching PM videos), however that is an irrelevant fact.😂
I read lots of comments asking how joint compression is being achieved in this manual version of the peanut jig which clearly can only be cutting a parallel slot, where the router bit enters and leaves is a round hole and the slot is engaging with the underside surface of what is essentially the underside of the ‘counter sinking ‘ of the screw which makes the peanut less compressible at that section as is acting as a wedge. I think.🤔
Anyhoo - thanks for this.😀👍👏
Thanks Norman! That's a great common-sense post, and likely explanation of the mechanics of it - as I hope to have it explained tome later today! 👍
Can't wait for the mini jig review! Being a garage woodworker that would fit in scale and price for my needs.
I was just starting to look for knock down fixtures for a project too!
Glad to hear it; mini jig has been pushed back a little, but as soon as I have it, and have given it a good workout, I'll let you know! 👍
Very good system, great video Peter. I always enjoy your info & teaching. $460 US is a small price for what it can do. I have owned the DF 500 domino for 10+ yrs and just finished attaching face frames with 6x40’s in the lower cabs knowing the 4 teen boys in the house will punish the frames and doors. This would make the uppers face frame attachment a breeze. I have been eyeing the Lomello Zeta for the same application. Thanks again Peter
Thanks David. And yes, good point about face-frames - I rarely use them so I didn’t think of that, thanks! 👍👍
I looked these up for the portable work bench build and found them in the "how effing much?!" price range (well I am a Yorkshireman) but really like the idea of using them for bookcases and cabinets. The mini jig sounds interesting for an occasional user like me.
Yep, this jig is aimed much more at designer/maker/installers, the mini jig much more for DIY and hobby users, or a cheaper entry point for anyone wanting to dip a toe in the water.👍
Very clever and seemingly an excellent jointing system
Another great review and (to me) product introduction. Thank you.
Thanks! 👍
your videos are so well thought out.....thank you Peter.
Thank you! 👍
Wow a very interesting piece of kit with a development programme to future proof it's applications in the use of both modern and traditional materials . As ever a very well presented and informative effort by yourself. Yes it's exciting. You Keep me moving forward with my meagre effort.
Thank you! 👍
Great video as always. The system looks great for repeated joints, but too slow to set up for anything else.
Thanks. As I say in the vid, this one's aimed at carcass construction, ie common, repeat joints for making cabinets, especially with laminated/veneered boards with mitred edges. Pretty niche, right! 😂 👍
Ugh. You have done it again. 1) You produce this really excellent high quality video that draws me in 2) I went to the website and it is out of stock! argh! Now I am frustrated. All kidding aside, great video. Really cool technology. There are some really cool things coming out of the UK for woodworking. ITs fun to see.
Aww, man. Sold out already! 🤷♂️ You know, I do my part, and the others, they just can’t keep up... 😕😂😂👍
Great piece of kit peter, such a strong joint,
Thanks! Yes, very strong indeed. 👍
Peanuts? Crikey...I learn something new every time I log on to your brilliant channel!
Haha, thanks! 👍👍
Just about to start my first built in wardrobe commission and, given its on the 3rd floor of a house I've gone for the peanut as a knock down option because theres no way I can take prebuilt units that high up. Fingers crossed it all woks out.
Great content as always Peter.....the wife and I miss the opening ’jingle’ though 🎼😂😄👍🏼
Thanks Pete. The jingle hasn't been retired, it's just taking a break - you know, covid, and all that... 😆👍
Phew 😷😬🤣👍🏼
Hi Peter as always thank so much for sharing this Great system , i am still trying to get my head around how to use the Dowel Jig ha ha ha you guys make this stuff looks super easy , but its all about having a go and making it fun as a newbie , sometimes the fun turns into frustration but at the end of the day " there is nothing more satisfying in making something with your own two hands a great sense of Accomplishment and again thanks to you for sharing your Skills so we can
Thank you! Honestly, even after years of making stuff, lots of it for other people, I still get a thrill when something comes together well, and fits where it’s supposed to. Hope I never lose that! 👍👍😆
Interesting jig for the professional cabinet maker.
Another great video Peter ive just decided what i want for Christmas. Just got to break the news to my Wife
Great video Peter.
I last posted about a Fuji semi pro sprayer and recommend you try one and I wish you would, just for your impressions. I'm no painter but this thing is fantastic, hardly any over spray and i clean up after with a bucket of water, because I have no water either.
Thanks for the video..
Thanks Simon! Yeah, I think my spraying days are behind me now, tbh, but if I ever get tempted back I'll be sure to give the Fuji a try! Thanks for the rec.!👍
Interesting. Another application could be for those that make small furniture that they ship to a customer. It would allow flat packing and a little assembly by the customer. Just a thought. Thanks Peter!
Yep, good idea; not sure I wouldn't trust any customer of mine to do that Mark, but others might! 😂👍
The basic idea has clearly been around for ages but this is a fine implementation of it. Personally, I've already bought into the Domino system and I mostly work with real wood so I probably wouldn't buy this as well but for someone that works primarily in MDF and ply this could easily be a game changer.
Surely you mean Real Wood™ 😂 Yes, obviously aimed at the sheet goods fitted furniture designer/maker/installers out there, and a very well thought out system.👍👍
Been looking for system just like this, happened to come across your videos by chance great watch.
Thanks, and welcome! 👍👍
I really like the looks of this. I rarely do this sort of work (only for myself), but I might buy a small jig for the times when I do.
It's coming... 👍
I’m just thinking out loud here, but this seems like a great idea. It does rely on the purchase of a router too, so it’s £400 plus a router, but I like the idea and, for example, it should allow for permanent joinery with a Domino and by using the Peanut 2 system as well - should you need to disassemble parts to be able to fit it into a clients home, or even just be able to take it apart for a temporary solution (outdoor furniture during summer, but take apart to store in winter, etc). This system seems like a really good idea that is worthy option compared to a Festool or Lamelo.
Yes, it really does. And who amongst us looking at jointing systems doesn’t already have a 1/2” router? The mini jig - out in a few weeks - brings the cost of entry down significantly, too. 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop. Oh, I do understand that, but it was more to do with that the Domino and Festool are a all-in-one system, if that makes sense, but as it uses a router, at least the router is handy for other work too. There’s no doubting that this is a great system.
Lovely little system. As a purely weekend warrior it still sits outside my price range, but that looked oh so satisfying when it pushed together! :)
Mini jig out very soon at a much more affordable price. 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop I look forward to seeing the mini vs only a diyer and the cost of full size just to much
For occasional hobby use it is really hard to justify any of these systems. You are better off getting a good dowel jig for around £50-60 and practicing to become proficient with that.
It is a great shame this product was not available thirty years ago when I was making bespoke cabinets in Kitchens, Bathrooms, and Bedrooms also fireplaces for individual clients! It gives that professional finish that is normally only achieved from a factory-fitted product. Just add a smear of glue to make the joints permanent! Another great video thanks Peter!
Yep, had it been around when I was buying my Domino, it would have been an interesting choice/decision to make! 👍
Excellent as usual Peter. Saw this on your mobile bench build and instantly dismissed it due to price and ordered the button fix 1s for my version of the bench. But this video and the promise of a cheaper mini jig sounds like it might just be the ticket ...
Thanks Alastair. Yep, excited to get my hands on the mini jig. Soon! Soon! 😂👍👍
I can’t imagine the mini jig will be must cheaper given it will still need all the same components just smaller jig frames?
I'm told it will be a lot less, as it's a different style of jig. As soon as I get my hands on it I'll be sure to tell you about it. 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop ok thank you Peter.
Looks very promising indeed. With access to a CNC, there'd be no need for the jig. Just the fixings. Investigating...now!
As an assist to interested Vectric users, a keyhole toolpath gadget is available at t.ly/7onW. Several other CNC routines are available on IF's site (t.ly/clwf).
Be aware that IF support three joint types: compact, standard fit and easy fit. The first is a simple keyhole slot operation, while the remaining two specify ramps of 5mm and 10mm respectively from insertion/exit depth to full depth.
Of these, the keyhole toolpath gadget would only support the compact joint. The only stipulation being that the stock to be joined are flush to start.
When you said Shaker doors. My eyes opened real wide. Brilliant. Look forward to see the smaller version.
Thanks! Mini jig coming soon! 👍
a biscuit/domino or similar system is my next purchase and this system has really tickled my fancy great vid.
Thanks! More to come on this soon!
Good honest impartial video as always.
I really like dowels but yet to find a 100% accurate system
Review of the triton dowel machine wasn’t very reassuring.
Have you any knowledge of a accurate dowel cutters which is effective and accurate? Thanks scott
Thanks Scott. I did a video - Dowel Jig Basics, czcams.com/video/zTj_hiEVfvw/video.html - where I got the best I could out of a cheap dowel jig. The wolfcraft is well regarded - I have one but haven’t really used it. Not sure if you’re aware but the peanut mini jig will also do dowels, is very well made and accurate. I have the latest version but haven’t reviewed it yet because of all the workshop stuff going on, but there’s a playlist with all the Peanut 2 reviews and builds in it here; Peanut 2 System & Projects - bit.ly/Peanut2system 👍👍
Hello Peter. I don’t know how much you have seen about the Shaper Origin but they recently had a hardware library update and they now have the ability to do Peanuts as well as Dominos, Blum hinges, Lamello Cabineo (as well as the m6?), Soss hinges as well as a lot of other hardware. Just an FYI.
Cheers
Ron
Thanks Ron! I wasn’t aware of that, no, so good to hear, thanks! Peanuts were especially problematic for the shaper I believe, because as soon as you move the machine backwards the bit would exit the material?? Something like that anyway, and not what you want at the end of a peanut slot! 👍👍
once again a very nice video!
Thanks for this first look it seems promising and Looks really interesting. Is a connector at each end of, say a 600mm, joint OK or is there a recommended interval between fixtures?
Thanks! Like any connector, over eg a 600mm carcass I think I I’d want something in the middle, and I always used 3 when I was using dominoes. It’s something I want to test a bit more as I get more accustomed to the system, though. 👍
With fittings like these, I always wonder about the longevity of the availability of the consumables. Dominos can be made easily if they ever were to stop being produced, which obviously wouldný happen with a system that is as popular as that. This niche product seems nice, but I find it tough to pay 400 gbp and have to take that gamble.
That’s a fair concern; to be clear though, these fittings have been around for a couple of years and are widely used by cabinetry manufacturers whose main method of production are CNC and nesting machines. This is the first router jig they’ve made, and is aimed at the one man band maker/installer. There’s a mini jig coming that will settle a lot of the cost concerns. 👍👍
You can start your own IKEA with this... ; ) There's something about this system's elegance and simplicity that' blows my mind - it has a very mysterious appeal.
Also, I think that if I wanted to teach kids carpentry, I'd probably use this system.
It has its limitations, because of the way it works, but at the same time these can become an advantage (depending on the situation) and are its strength.
Thanks! Yes, great system! 👍👍
Looks good for when you have a lot to glue up at once and not many spare clamps
Exactly! 👍
Definitely so so tempting
Interesting System! But -like others wrote- to expensive and in my mind to big for small projects (and i think, the smaller jig will be also expensive...). Bying the jig and a good router will cost about 1.000 EUR, nearly the price of a lamello. But a no go is, that you can not disassemble the parts without taking a hammer (if not glued). Clamex can be disassembled with a hex driver...
Only you can decide if it’s too expensive for you. But it’s aimed at folks in the fitted furniture business; they tend to have 1/2” routers, already. 🤷♂️👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop also, you can use the router for all kinds of other uses, a lamello is a one trick pony (or race horse in this case)
I like the system and your presentation. I have been looking for a system for making MFC cabinets. Could you please do a demonstration of the system using MFC please and assess the performance?
Honestly I rarely use MFC, but the system was designed specifically to work with pre-finished boards like MFC and veneered MDF, so from the samples I’ve seen it works extremely well. If you follow the links in the video description to the Intelligent Fixings website they have demo videos where they use MFC extensively, or if you contact them directly or through eg Instagram I’m sure they’d be happy to advise. 👍👍
looked relatively easy to install, great video
Thanks! 👍👍
Good review and interesting product Peter. Thanks for sharing.is it the proprietary cutter that creates the angles at the bottom of the T slots that pulls the joint together?
Thanks! Yes, the cutter comes as part of the starter set, but is available separately. 👍
Router cutters can inherently only sweep a circular cross section, so.. somehow it must move on an angled path in order to create the angled result. My guess is that you put something on your router that interacts with the jig when you do the sideways move.
The website is very unclear on this. The cutter is supposed to move down by 2 mm during the first half of the 20mm sideways movement. No idea where that comes from though.
That's an interesting jointing system! I must say that I've never heard of it. The part of the video with the router was not totally clear to me. Do you need a copy ring
(or how is it called) to route out the key hole slot in the board? Thanks for sharing the video.
Yes, you need a low-profile copy ring/guide bush; it comes as part of the starter kit, and is available as a spare part. 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop (learning) woodworking has many things in common with (learning) Spanish. LOL Both are my hobbies. At the start you don't know
anything. After many hours you get some knowledge of the theory and the practice. (theory is always easier) and you can start to make something yourself.
I finally have my small table saw up and running. Now I need 72 hours a day.
Like the look of this. So, does the mushroom bit of the peanut fixing deform when knocked into the slim part of the keyhole slot to create the tight fixing? Or does it deform the wood for the tight fit? If it's the former, it's not so much a knockdown fixing. I may be missing something of course.
Sorry Stew, neither! I don’t know how it works, but it manages to cut a slot that gradually deepens, so the head of the mushroom pulls tight agains the rebate. The peanut/mushroom doesn’t deform, and the joint can be made then taken apart many tunes without any problems. Really clever system! 👍 Mini jig coming very soon, will make it a much more affordable entry point!
@@10MinuteWorkshop Perhaps the blue inserts are not exactly parallel to the surface of the jig, and as you move the router to the right, the hole gets a fraction deeper as you go? 🤷🏻♂️
@@10MinuteWorkshop could you cut one of the slots in half and measure the depth of cut. hard to see how it gets deeper with that jig
www.intelligentfixings.com/peanut-2
There is a diagram on this page showing exactly how the peanut engages into the slot.
I've never seen this before. Thanks for sharing.
It’s pretty new. Great system. 👍
You should also check out lockdowell and ovvo.
Thanks Peter - not a fan of extremely high early adopter pricing strategies (it only attracts overseas entrants to the market, I think we all know the potential culprits and something like this very easy to copy). I would definitely be interested in the smaller version though if the pricing stance were more realistic and I would rather give my cash to the developers 😊
Thanks! I'm old enough to remember when kitchen worktop jigs were a few hundred quid, and they were just a slab with a slot in it; there's an awful lot of development gone into this, and whilst it would be nice to have cheaper prices at launch, I don't think it's outrageous (I know, I know, says the guy who's been given one.. 🤷♂️) considering what it can do in comparison to the stand-alone power tools. But as I say in the vid, the mini jig is expected to come in at a much better entry price, making it more attainable to occasional users, or folks who want to try out the system before committing to the big jig.👍👍
Saw an old carpenter do something like this using just screws in soft wood....no fancy tools needed
I wonder how these work in a CNC nesting machine workflow. I'm guessing you would need to put the panel on the machine a second time, because horizontal drilling into the edge of a board doesn't work when the panels are nested together in a large sheet (no space for the drill). We currently use the lamello invis as knock down fasteners, which also require horizontal drilling. But they are very finicky when they are not perfectly aligned and quite expensive. If these peanuts can be programmed into the drawing process with a macro, then they may be a good alternative.
Hi Eduard, thanks for your comment, you are correct the Peanut 2 requires end drilling also. We do have a nesting solution called the Peanut 1 although this can be visible depending on how you build your cabinets. We do have supportive software for some CNC machines. You can find more information on our website: www.intelligentfixings.com
@@IntelligentFixings Hi, a visible connection is not an option for us unfortunately. Some horizontal drilling is not a problem since we only use knock down fasteners when assembly on site is required. Mostly things are assembled in the shop. Do you happen to have something for PaletteCAD software of SCM Morbidelli machines?
My hope is that as more options become available, Lamello will bring down the price of their fittings..
Ha! I'm told that they've just put them up, so I think the chances are pretty slim. 🤷♂️
what is the height and diameter of the body of the peanut? I don't have a 1/2 inch router and thought it could be done with a 1/4 inch straight router bit followed by a keyhole bit set at the right depth.
Looking forward to the mini peanut solution.......
Always love your videos Peter, bit disappointed with the cost of this jig given that it is consumable driven. The ongoing cost of the required consumables overtime really needs to be considered. Thanks again.
Cheers James, but as I think I say in the vid the cost of the consumables with this jig is a fraction of eg the Lamello Zeta or Domino Connect fittings. 👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop I'm sure you would have mentioned it Peter, was still a bit early over here in Australia when I replied and I was on my way out the door for a call out for my work when I replied. I am really looking forward to your upcoming videos on cabinet making. My wife has commissioned me to build the cabinetry for her study, I will need all the tips and tricks I can find. 👍
No worries James, always appreciate you taking the time to comment. Look forward to seeing your cabinets! 👍👍
Looks very neat, I imagine it’s very good for commercial jobs where you need to get stuff to site flat packed 👌 not sure if I am tired but I can’t work out if the router guide is oval and the bit is spinning how does it produce a slot that is bigger at one end 🤔
The router guide bush is round and the jig insert is slotted. The cutter is T shaped and produces a key hole slot by entering and exiting at the same end. I hope this is helpful, we have animations on our website that explain this more clearly. www.intelligentfixings.com
It's a keyhole-type of cutter Ross, you plunge, then as you move the cutter sideways it creates a slightly deeper cut by magic. That's my understanding anyway. 🤷♂️ 👍
@@IntelligentFixings that is helpful the enter and exit at the same end makes sense thank you, very smart idea 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop thanks Peter I think I have failed the intelligence test required to use these 🤣
Me too! 😂👍
They have updated this jig with a newer version. Which can now do dowels and dominos.
Excellent system love it.
It’s very good. 👍
A very good video Peter and seems like a useful product. I’ll have to give it a try when it’s available here.
Have you seen Lamello’s new fitting called “FLEXUS”? They recently introduced it on CZcams. It seems like an interesting product and I already have a few ideas for it once they start shipping it.
And I’ll have to add the Peanut 2 to my wish list!
Ron
Thanks Ron! No, haven’t seen Flexus - I’ll take a look, thanks! 👍
Great video Peter. It looks like you have the Trend GB5 sub base on your router. Will the guide bush not fit on a standard Trend T11 base?
Thanks! No, it didn’t seem to want to fit directly into the base, but went on the sub-base just fine. 🤷♂️👍
I typically dowel but this looks to be a great system. Hope it is available in the States soon.
I’m told there’s US distribution coming soon. 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Free shipping
awesome bit of kit. I just need the space for a workshop before I can justify something like this :D
😂👍
As usual, great review.
At the top of the video you mentioned a joint strength in plywood of 160kg per fitting. How does that translate in to real world applications e.g. could these be used as the sole fixings for a bed assembly, obviously with the keyhole aligning with gravity? Or are they mainly for non load bearing applications?
Thanks! That’s probably one to ask Intelligent Fixings tbh, as they have more experience of them in other applications than I do, but from what I’ve seen I don’t see why you couldn’t use 3 or 4 of these in line for a bed fitting, no. Could be an interesting experiment actually, thanks! 👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop 3 in a row is what I was thinking too. I'll drop them a message and see what they say. Thanks again
Contacted Intelligent Fixings and was advised that while the Peanut2 was suitable for most applications, bed side rails is not one of them. They recommended traditional methods such as bolts or brackets. Hope that helps somebody else.
There was no mention of glue in these joints. How do you feel about adding glue in the joint between the peanuts?
Absolutely, depending on the board finish, of course. But yes, like the Lamello Tenso connectors, adding glue only strengthens the joint. 👍
Interesting. I am on the far side of the pond for this, but it is still fascinating (or fasten-ating). Do you think the supply of parts is stable? Be a shame to buy the jig and have the connectors dry up. And, are additional guides available so you can have three or four peanuts in a joint or do you just move the ones you have? Instead of KD furniture, I am still trying to build stuff that does not KD or just fall apart.
The jig comes with 4 guides / inserts as standard and everything is available as spares afaik, either through Axminster tools or direct from intelligent fixings. The starter set gets you everything you need, and no, there’s no way the connector supply will dry up, Intelligent Fixings are a big business with sales & distribution throughout the UK and Europe. 👍👍
Interesting...
Isn't it way longer to set the jig up compared to the time it takes to use the zeta ?
The jig’s actually really quick to set up, but sure, you have to balance that against the cost of the zeta and fittings. 👍
I think this is a potential winner. I would prefer to build cabinetry with proper joinery but that doesn't make it easy to move to a new house. I love the fact that is invisible and can be knocked down again. As an architect, when I design fitted millwork, I always try to approach it as a cabinetmaker. (my other hobby) I like to think I know what the cabinetmaker has to go through to make the end product. This is a revelation as far as I'm concerned.
One minor comment, I've been a patreon supporter for over a month and I don't see my name.
Thanks Patrick! Yes, a smart system, very well thought through. Re. your Patreon credit - and thank you for your support - I’ll look into it, but the list is usually updated for the Friday video closest to the end of the month, so sometimes if you join ‘on the cusp’ it takes a little longer for your name to appear. As I say I’ll check and message you through Patreon, but you’ll certainly be on the list from this Friday. 👍👍
Would be interested to see this in action on floating shelves. Batten on wall with male peanut and keyhole shelf slide on to that. I know that will be 100kg in tension rather than a sheer force but I've got a feeling it would still perform well.
Interesting idea! Just trying to figure out how you'd finish the underside?? 🤔
@@10MinuteWorkshop me too! Something slidey i think
I think you are really onto something. In terms of achieving a good finish I would see the method involving using the intended shelf material for the whole lot and cutting (tracksaw) a 50 mm strip, jig both surfaces and machine both surfaces for peanuts. Secure the 50mm bit of shelf material as a ‘batten’ to the wall - offer up the shelf to the batten and tappy tap tap to engage the peanuts.👍
I think I’ve watched every video and don’t remember any on drawer construction and installation. Would be interesting to see your methods.
There are a few ..
czcams.com/video/6u2ueiCZJi4/video.html
In 2 parts , and at least on other (search drawer and peter millard )
@@ZenoErwt Thank you! And I thought I had seen all his videos.
@@joep5153 haha.. he has some hidden gems left for you to discover :) :)
Thank you! Sorry, slow in the answers today! 👍
I hope I'm not duplicating earlier comments in saying that I understood the keyhole recess had a variable depth so that it would get tighter as the peanut is tapped home. I s there some magic about the cutter or am I just confused?
No, this was me being slightly confused. The keyhole slot is ramped if it’s being used in a CNC, but on this router jig it’s a flat slot that’s very precisely cut so that as you start to slide the peanut along the top trailing edge catches the top of the slot slightly, and it basically wedges itself in, tightening as it goes. That’s my layman’s understanding of it anyway; I’m just happy that it works. 👍👍
just in time Peter, I need to look at this as an alternative to Lomello
As always Peter this is very interesting
Cheers Steve! 👍
so which piece causes the slope that tightens it? is there a slope on the keyholing inserts?
No, I don’t know how this is achieved, but I imagine that’s part of what’s been patented. For now I’m just accepting that it works, and I’ll be trying to figure it out later. 🤔🤷♂️👍
Did you use your own 30mm guide bush or an IF one, according to the IF guide bush tech drawing the protruding depth of theirs is only 4mm. The question therefore is; is there a reason you would need such a shallow bush or would I be able to use one of my own (Dewalt/Trend) that i already have for my 1/2" routers?
Hope you follow my drift Peter.
Thanks
The ones I had were all low-profile ones so not an issue for me. The newer mini jig didn’t have the issue. 👍
Interesting. Thank you. I saw you have a Trend router. Me too.
Thanks Frits! Ye, the Trend is a nice machine. 👍
How does it change the depth while you rout the keyhole to make it clamp up tight?
Looks like it’s a flat base to the router cut, ramped with the CNC cut, so not entirely sure tbh. I’ll be getting it explained to me in more detail this week. 👍👍
Great system, I believe Ikea use a similar fitting in their platsa range of units.
The IKEA system is similar - and IKEA are aware of the Peanut connector - but it’s sufficiently different for the peanut to be patented. 👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop I’d almost go as far as to say the peanut looks cleaner and simpler, so a thumbs up from me. Another tool to add to the wish list alongside some from your makers Christmas list 👍🏻
fantastic. But what is realy needed is a system that will go down to 12mm or at minimum 15mm. (will the mini you mention be able to do this?) If im correct this will only go as small as 16..? So that means 18mm ply or MDF will be the thinnest it will do. Still a cool system though :)
I’ve used them in 12mm - the face-to face connection for the bench shelf was 12-12. The fence centres at 18 but will accommodate 16mm (eg egger board etc...) - don’t see why you couldn’t pack out the fence by a few mm to centre on12mm; I’ll have to try it. I j if they can do 12mm compound mitres. 👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop fantastic :) thanks for the reply :) yeh would love to see it work on a 12mm board at 90 digrese :) :)
I'm Mafell DDF40 user(bought on the strength of your review partly) so I don't really need one of these. I'm sure it's very good and has a place in the workshop but at £333 + £200 for a half decent router if don't have one - you're stepping into Lamello Classic X territory in terms of price. Yes, the Peanut 2 is invisible and I really like the look of the actual connectors but it looks like a lot of hard work to make basic joints. I look forward to seeing the mini jig but it will have to compete with doweling jigs in terms of price to tempt me.
Fair enough - but in all seriousness, who in the fitted furniture / carcass construction business doesn’t have a 1/2” router, let alone a spare that they could dedicate to the jig 🤷♂️ And a Lamello Classic X - as lovely as I’m sure it is - is just a biscuit jointer; pretty sure you won’t get any KD fittings for it. 👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Lamello Classic X works with Clamex S Knock down fittings They differ from the Zeta ones as they need a couple of screws. Better than this jig IMHO.
You also get a valuable tool at the end of it.
Great system , great vid ,as always, I'll be your agent 20%?? haha, have a good weekend stay safe
Thakns, Paul! How about 10% of business you bring in... 🤔 😂
great videos Sir
Thank you! 👍
Very clever tool and a great demonstration! It would be hard to try to explain it without showing. "Keymod for woodworking" maybe?
Thanks! Sorry, don’t know what ‘keymod for woodworking’ means?? 🤷♂️
Hello Peter, interesting system, well presented. Just one question though. How is the varying slot depth produced?
Thanks Steve. On the CNC it just ramps the cutter, on the router & jig it's something else, and tbh I don't quite understand how - hope to be getting a more detailed explanation this coming week! 👍
Yes I was wondering that. Is the jig plate tapered in thickness so as the router slides along it make the slot deeper?
do you have a link to the plastic square and plastic t ruler that you use (the one with holes in it)?
In the video description under ‘other useful gear’ 👍
Mirock square - etsy.me/2MC0RT
Mirock 500mm T-ruler - etsy.me/365P0KE
Love the system but not easily available here in the US. Hopefully in time it will travel across the pond
Pretty sure axminster will ship to the US, but obviously you'd have the headache of making sure you never ran out of Peanuts! 🤷♂️
Great business opportunity tight there Dave
@@10MinuteWorkshop I saw that they did export here, but extactly the problem of if in the 11th hour we need more that's a bit of a wait to get more. Still going to order some for upcoming projects to try out thou:P
Couldn't you use your router with a regular 8/5mm bit to just route domino slots too?
I’ve never tried - give it a shot, let me know how you get on! 👍👍
I'ld be really curious to see how these compare with the domino and lamelo connectors in terms of speed and practicality... the peanut looks really good but a bit more time consuming...
Slower to use a jig & router yes, but no clamping, and can be used in narrow stock unlike eg Lamello. Also cost benefits - jig is 1/3 the price of a Zeta, fittings are ~1/10th the cost. Also mini jig coming soon, brings down the price of entry massively. 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop I think depending on your amount of work you will do the cost of the fittings are neglegible. If we are talking several hundreds of pounds for the templates it really is not decisive whether the cost for a fitting is just 1/10 if one wants to build e.g. just one kitchen. I compare that with model railroad modelling where you might get a one time cast part from even silver if that is what the contractor is able to provide.
That's what I though when I bought my Lamello Zeta; thenI started adding up the sheer number of Tenso fittings I needed to pull a simple MDF table together, and it really eats into your margins. Also, if you find you're getting low on both Tenso and Clamex and suddenly you have to find 500-odd quid. 🤷♂️
Hello Peter. Great content as always. Sorry if this has already been asked, but I was too lazy to scroll through all 300+ comments. 😂 If someone were to use this in a knockdown application, do you have a rough feel for how many times the joint could be assembled/disassembled before the wood started to compress a bit and weaken the joint? The type of material used would obviously be a big variable.
Hi Brandon. As you say the materials are the deciding factor, and it’s probably worth mentioning that it’s designed as a system for easy on-site assembly, rather than a knock-down fixing as such. But it does produce an immensely strong joint - 140kg in MDF, 225kg in plywood - so my guess would be many, many times.
Oooh 🙂 likey. This may be my weapon of choice as not got any system yet. I really like the look of this!! Thank you Peter. Great vid. Do you know what is the min depth of work piece?
I’ve used them in 12mm. 👌
@@10MinuteWorkshop just looked at their websute and now a bit confused as there is peanut 1 and 2 and maybe was a 3 cant rememeber now will have another look later and watch all their videos.
Don't be confused. This video is just about the Peanut 2. (Peanut 1 is totally different component, for CNC and nesting machine and applications, Peanut 3 is friction-fit dowel (no screw) for insertion by nesting machines.) Just concentrate on the Peanut 2. 👍
Great Video and perfect alternative to other options. Thanks for sharing @Peter millard
Cheers Anthony! 👍
Do those peanuts locate or snap into place? I'd have a worry that they would be constantly fighting to work loose?
No, they tighten up as they’re slid into place, but they don’t snap in with a sense of finality. They are very strong though, zero chance of the ‘working themselves loose’ IMHO. 👍
Hello, thank you for your video. What are your thoughts on this joinery system after having had it for a year? I am also curious to know if you have used these peanut connectors with glue to make permanent joints?
If so, did you find that you got satisfactory glue squeeze out from the joints without having to use clamps? My search continues for the ‘holy grail’ hidden self-clamping connector that can really snug up enough for a permanent glue joint. I am suspecting that they probably don’t exist though. Recently I have been experimenting with the various offerings from Knapp Connectors. They make a variety of different self-clamping dowels as well as biscuits (and other types of fasteners). They are good quality but so far I haven’t found any that really close the joint up enough for a good bond with PVA glue. Well, thanks again for your video, it was very informative.
They’re excellent, no hesitation in recommending them as a tight fitting connector for a glued joint. You can actually fine-tune the level of ‘bite’ in the joint by adding (or taking away) a quarter-turn on the screw. 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop That’s great to know, thank you for your response!
Very cool jig! Do you have a video showing your use of the domino in a knockdown application you could point me to? I do not have a system for knock down joining yet and am exploring options, but I really like the completely hidden feature of this system!
Thanks! I think Part 2 of an old banquette build shows me using the connect fixings for the first time, here - czcams.com/video/zcra2qVJC3o/video.html - and I did a video that compared the Domino Connect with the Lamello Clamex fittings here - Clamex or Connect - czcams.com/video/TzOAwo3vpqI/video.html. Hope that helps! P
@@10MinuteWorkshop Thank you for taking the extra time to link the other content, very helpful!
I'm sure once shaper origin and workstation is available in the uk you will be the first one to get it.
Must admit, I hadn't considered the hand-held possibilities with the Shaper Origin! 🤔👍👍
Seems an interesting idea but I can't get my head around the selling price. I assumed, given that it's a relatively simple design and idea, with no moving parts that it would be by far the cheapest solution, not mid tier!
I’m old enough to remember when kitchen worktop jigs were around £400, and they’re just a board with a slot cut in it. 🤷♂️ This is a complex jig to make, which makes it expensive. There’s a mini jig out very soon - video out next week - that brings down the cost of entry considerably. 👍
I love it and want one. One question thou.
The IF website seems to be a lot cheaper at £333 than Axminster tools at £399. Does the starter kit Axminster sells include something that the starter kit from IF doesn't?
Thanks! Pretty sure the IF prices are +VAT, and the Axi prices inc VAT. 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop just didca dummy checkout. You are right. £400.20 from IF
So Axminster is cheaper (just)
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Does the kit come with the correct router cutter.? Thanks
Yea, the starter kit comes with everything you need.