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- Can a plywood jig and cheap router really take on the £1300 #Lamello #Zeta P2 and #Tenso connector in a straightforward cabinet construction? In this video I find out when I use my #Peanut2 #MiniJig from @IntelligentFixings (available direct, or through @AxminsterTools) and my DIY dedicated carcass / cabinet jig. Enjoy!
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Many thanks Peter youve got me in trouble with my wife again alls i get now is “ Well if Peter can make that in 50 minutes then then why does it take you 6 months to do a small job “ thankyou Peter 👍👍👍👍
😂😂 “You only have to ask me once - no need to nag me about it every six months...” 👍👍
domino jig would be awesome :-) another interetsing video Peter. Thank you
Thanks Dafydd! Yes, I think there may be a few developments coming on the domino side... 👍👍
I mean the domino doesn't do anything clever, it's just a one trick pony with good design on the fence side etc. to make it super fast to position and use, right? So a dedicated router/jig should be able to replicate that with aplomb. Just maybe a bit more faff. Again a real vs imitation real world test would be good to compare the time taken. Presumably you could still use actual dominos in the imitation slots, as making your own loose tenons might be onerous.
was gonna say something about domino, you beat me to it ;-)
I think I may have to lay off these vidoes fora while. I'm seriously contemplating building our new kitchen from scratch :D
Ya'll got any more of them lamello's
You need to have lie down until that feeling passes
My wife would kill me if I started rebuilding my kitchen. However she is planning on us moving in about 8 years time so I've got until then to memorise all these videos and get my act together and then maybe...
Thank you Peter - very informative. 55mins to complete - I’d just be finishing my coffee and wondering where to start at that time! Regards
Haha, thanks John! I was appalled tbh - if you’d have asked me how long it would take I’d have said 15-20 mins, tops! 🤷♂️👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop That's just a guy thing. I told my wife the home office would take a few months. Here we are over a year later!
I would say that you were filming as well but I guess that was not really a time sink here as it was single position only.
@@matteason989 that's how it goes for passion and personal projects. If you're doing something for yourself you may as well do it as best as you can but customers want it fast and can have it fast.
@@matteason989 Procastinate tomorrow!
It's always a pleasure to watch a skilled craftsman work!
Thanks! 👍
As the saying goes: “I love work, I can watch it for hours”
Very nice Peter. I have a mini-jig and I was thinking of building jigs for standard sizes as well. After seeing the impressive and unexpected results of your video, I'll definitely start doing that asap! Thank a lot for your valuable content!
Thank you! Yes, I was surprised at how well my DIY jig held up. 👍👍
Thanks for the comparison, Peter. A loose tenon jig sounds like a very god idea to me!
Thanks! On it! 👍👍
Agreed
Interesting! Thank you for all your work put in to this!
The Wood Knight has also tackled the loose tenon jig approach; be interesting to see the different techniques between both of you :)
Again Peter another awesome and informative video. The loose tenon would be a good video. These sort of videos really help the DIY'er with a limited budget achieve great results 👍. Thanks very much again
Thanks Barry! 👍
I've had a 4k monitor for a while, but have just found a 4k PC video card for £40! It makes a massive difference and what I hadn't realised was that you are one of the few DIY channels broadcasting in 4k. Very sharp picture, and thanks for a great watching experience :)
Thanks John! 👍👍
Another great video. I don’t see myself putting cabinets together with these types of fixings but tucked it away for future use.
Thanks! 👍
A loose tenon jig sounds very interesting - another great video - thanks Peter 👍
Thanks! 👍
Brilliant Peter - I for one would LOVE a domino / router jig vid when you feel up for it
Cheers Danny! And I'm on it! 👍
An interesting revise by me on the Peanut jig with your comment ‘I am all jigged out but it does occur to me you could make a domino jig’ and how history unfolded from here. It is fun to see these older videos again if just to see how you transformed your workshop over time.
Cheers Kevin! Yes, always good to look back now and then! I must have a watch! 👍👍
Hi Pete
Great video mate I just love how you make things look so easy
A true craftsman 👍👍👍👍
Thanks Carl! 👍👍
That’s brilliant Peter. Thanks for sharing
Thanks David! 👍👍
A domino type jig would be interesting. I’m still using my 3 HP horizontal mortiser, when I can. Thanks Peter, always a pleasure to watch your videos. Thanks!
Thanks! 👍
Hi Peter, love your videos and love to see a domino jig. When you’re feeling up to it ;)
Great work!
Thanks! 👍👍
Ive just made a loose tenon jig for use with my router. Its not adjustable but did the job. I'd love to see your take. I did take inspiration from your peanut jig when putting it together.
Sounds good! And thanks! 👍👍
Peanut 2. Beware of expensive immitations... Great video.
First a thumb up for your clear explanations : nice job as always
Then yes : the lamello jig domino type will be very interesting !
Thanks! And on it! 👍👍
One thing was very clear, your experience and skills had you standing there and regrouping a whole lot less than you'd see me do. In the fast forward it was as seconds of contemplating, with me you'd have a challenge editing out the " now where was I" parts. The peanut system was a win in my book. Assembly appeared to have less of the balancing act of the Lamello system. Consumables and initial outlay would play a large role as the ultimate endgame is a bit smoother system with lower costs. I don't have an unlimited budget......yet.
Great vid, i think this has put the nail in the coffin of getting a domino for me, definery if you do a jig for that also.
Neat , just got to get my mini jig out of the box and use it next week 🙄🤣 Karl
Thanks! 👍
Unexpected outcome indeed!
A ‘domino’ jig for us poorer folk would be appreciated. Tamar made an amazing one a few weeks ago but a simpler one would be good to see too.
Thanks! Yes, I saw that; mine will be a lot simpler! 😂👍
I love the videos so far. I just found you today I'm about to build an over toilet cabinet soon and these really help. What material are you using? Very informative videos. For somebody like me who just getting in would love some basic how to project videos.
Great video as always Peter ! I bet that was fun to edit flipping between the pair 😂😂
I would love to see you do a tenoning jig, I was playing with the idea of making one before buying the domino, I think a video like that would benefit a lot of people, these machine are out of reach for a lot of people... so making your own is the way to go.
Thanks! Actually the edit was pretty straightforward as each build was a straight timeline, so just a question of starting them at the same point and cutting between them. But yes, I agree - the DIY option is the way forwards for those folks on tight budgets. 👍
Great video. There is one advantage I think the Tenso / Lamello has over the Peanut. Obviously with the Peanut, you have to start with the pieces offset from each other when doing the joining / assembly. They're offset by 10mm or whatever the length is, and then they slide together to form the joint. The Tenso just clips on directly from above, without that offset. This would be advantageous for a situation where you need to attach a trim piece to an already-installed cabinet where there may not be any room to "offset" the pieces from each other before joining. But otherwise, I like the Peanut much better, In my case I have a 4x8 CNC machine and would MUCH rather just buy the Peanut router bit and use my CNC to cut the slots rather than have to spend $1,500 on the Lamello Zeta and then rout the slots by hand. I thought Festool tools were overpriced but that Zeta P2 takes it to another insane level!
Thanks! Yep, they’re different fixings for different uses. Totally agree about fitting into an existing cabinet or very tight space - worth noting though that you can use the peanut cutter to route a slot, and slide the panel or shelf in, like you can with the Lamello divario connector. 👍
Well thought out and executed Peter mate. Good work. Interesting too. Made your point well I think.
Cheers Stew! Not the result I was expecting tbh, but video doesn’t lie, right?? 👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop 😂 Not sure that's always the case but I think we can see the peanut needn't be considered slow. Slower than the zeta for one offs I suppose?
Haha. Oh, yes - zeta definitely built for the one-of task. 👍👍
I guess it will just come down to one of two things for people buying into these joinery mechanisms,
Personal preference, and or budget!
That really was an interesting outcome. 😉
Cheers mate. 👍🏽
Cheers Bill. Yes, surprised me tbh; when I did the time for the Peanut, I expected the Lamello to be all over it in half or a third of the time - but the video doesn't lie... 🤷♂️ 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop
I agree, it started out as though the Peanut was getting left in the dust...😳
Never underestimate the tortoise, aye! 🤭
Very tempted to get myself the peanut mini jig, although my bank balance is still smarting after buying the WorkBee (thanks to you Peter :-) )
Well, good choice Jon! And the mini-jig's going nowhere - @intelligent~Fixings will be ready when you are, I'm sure.👍
Domino type jig - definitely! Tried to do something myself a while ago but gave up. Mostly do similar stuff to you peter so would be very interested - why not tomorrow!
Cheers David! haha, no, not tomorrow; other plans! 😆 👍 👍
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Domino tore jig video would be fabulous for folk like me who see it’s genius but don’t have the work to make the machine worthwhile. Thanks great content as per!
Thanks! 👍
I feel like that DIY Peanut jig could be adapted to be a bit more universal with some T track and stops underneath for positioning, and T track and some sort of low profile flag stop at the top for consistent placement.
You've certainly convinced me that a Peanut 2 Mini jig is a pretty darned great idea.
Add another for a Domino jig, please! When you're ready, of course.
Yep, there’s all kinds of things you could do with the peanut system, and the mini jig in particular. 👍
Fascinating. So well done and amazing productivity. Wonder how it would compare to Festool Dominos and which approach you prefer and why.
Dominoes aren't self clamping. Need screws and glue for them.
Great video as always. I would love to see that type of jig if you get around to it.
Thanks! And on it! 👍👍
Brilliant video again Peter. You should deffinitly do the domino jig lol
Thanks! Yes, it’s looking likely! 😂👍
That was cool to watch!!
Thanks Nic! 👍
Oh go on.....let's have the domino jig as well! Actually I'm not surprised that there was little difference in the build time between the two carcasses, because each joint has to be cut individually, and the tool repositioned between each cut.
Yes - but even so, I expected the Lamello to be faster to use; you never know until you try! 👍👍
Interesting video Peter, as always. If a owed a Zeta at £1500 I would want it to win hands down 😁
As a Domino owner, looking forward to you Domino jig series 😉
Thanks Doug. Honestly - as fine as my DIY jig is - I really expected the Zeta to wipe the floor with it, but the video doesn't lie. 🤷♂️ 👍
Con la spine in faggio probabilmente si hanno risultati più stabili. Con i barilotti si va sul sicuro. Uso la spinatrice Mafell, cosa ne pensa?
Complimenti per i suoi dieci minuti di saggezza!
Oh yes, a Domino jig would be very interesting (I'd much rather make use of what I have - especially since it was not cheap - than buy yet another system; normally I would, but I'm slowly learning that is a bad idea :^) ).
I think one should factor in the time to make the jigs unless you KNOW you'll be reusing them a lot.
Also; perhaps you could speak to this: which system seems to be more flexible in use. I.e. able to use in a lot more situations that the other.
Thanks! Oh, hands down, Domino is the most flexible - I've mentioned it before in the comparison with the Lamello and Mafell doweler. They all have their strengths, but the Domino was the most versatile of the three, whilst also being the least costly - I drew the liner at calling it the 'cheapest' of the three! But yes, probably worth re-visiting with other systems now available. And I wouldn't make a jig unless I knew I could get use from it 👍
Very interesting, thanks.
Thanks again Peter for the nice video. I have no experience with the peanut connector, but I do with the Lamello connectors and with the Dominos. I wonder, how long does a peanut connection last? It seems to have a very small contact area - I would suspect that materials as MDF or chipwood would give in slowly on such small contact areas? Due to creep? Or am I over concerned? I did note that the more recent IKEA cupboards do have peanut like connectors as well - 3 on each connection. But what does that say except that it is fast and easy? Any thoughts?
Thanks Wino! All I can say re Ikea is that they and @intelligentfixings are aware of each others approaches to this jointing method, and have decided to co-exist peacefully for now. As for longevity, no, there's no issue as far as I know; the peanut was developed specifically with poor quality MFC in mind, so the relative density of MDF is a bonus. 👍
a loose tenon jig for angles would be a good to see, a fair few people have already done videos for square joints. i was going to ask how does the Domino connectors stack up to these and seeing how one of them fell to bits when you moved it how useful will they be? will they take some weight and stress etc?? i have been planning a kitchen build and not sure what line to take on fixings
The Tenso connectors aren’t strong enough to be used alone, they need gluing - like dominos - and this was only a dry fit. 👍
Excellent video as always Peter. I always learn a trick or two from your videos. Do you know the strength of the two different fastening methods? Just curious which one is the stronger system. Maybe a good idea for a video? Peanut vs Lamello vs domino strength test??? 🙂
Also.... have you had a chance to try the Lamello Flexus connectors yet? They come in pretty handy.
Thanks Peter
Ron
Thanks Ron! No, I haven’t tried the flexus yet - haven’t had the need tbh. And as for strength tests, the peanut wins hands down; 90Kg in MDF and 140Kg in plywood, vs 7Kg for the Tenso and ~80Kg (from memory) for the Clamex. 👍👍
This was a great video. Question: with the Lamello (and the "if" system), because you don't have to use glue, isn't it possible to paint all your pieces before you assemble them? For example, If I got a full sheet of plywood or mdf, I could paint one big side several times, then wait for it to dry and do the other side. the only other painting required would be where I made cuts that people would see. Seems like it would make the painting step much easier. Of course, I am also trying to rationalize buying a lamello. why lie?
Thanks Mark! To be clear, the Tenso isn’t strong enough not to use glue, in my experience; the Clamex is, but not the Tenso. And yes, you could pre-finish a board in that way, just be aware that you’d need to handle it carefully post-painting. But it’s possible, yes. 👍
Yep to the domino jig! How about 3 weeks…?🤔
See what I can do! 👍
Very interesting video as I am considering which of these two systems to invest in. The only disadvantage I can see with the Peanut system; is working out which order the assembly follows, as the connection is a slide type. Can I ask you Peter; do you have to very carefully work out an assembly process? Would the peanut connector be OK on a large wardrobe build? Or am I worrying about nothing? Your expert insight would be greatly appreciated. Huge cost advantage using the Peanut system; but is the Lamello a better knockdown system?
Thanks Anthony. Yes, because the peanut system is directional, you need to think about how the workpiece goes together, about how it is assembled. But yes, the peanut is perfect for a large wardrobe build - better in my experience than the Tenso fittings, as they provide so much more clamping pressure. The Tenso was a large part of why I bought into the Lamello system, and it has been very disappointing in my experience. 🤷♂️👍
Great video thanks Peter, is the 1/4 inch bit option available/ going to be available from Axminster?
Thanks John! It’s 8mm shank, and Axminster should have it - if they don’t then you should be able to get it direct from intelligent fixings 👍👍
Yes, a Domino-jig would be very interesting. You find solutions of that kind on CZcams. But some of those lack easiness of use. And you need a lot of expensive machines to make them.
Thanks. Yes, mine would be very much like the carcass jig that I made here, but with narrow and medium slots. 👍
Amazing, wish I could move that fast. Question....why does it appear the upper drawer cavities are of differing heights at about 10:10, right after the comment on 55 minutes? Is that an optitrickal relusion? Fascinating to watch. Ps, I made a router jig for using Dominos before I got a real one. It worked well but was limited.
I wish I could move that fast too! And no, just optics - the cabinets are identical. 👍
Yes please on the loose tenon jig suggestion. :-).
Thanks Norman - on it! 👍
The amount you get done in such a small shop is impressive
Lots of practice! And thanks! 👍
I think we need an annual *"The great carcase shoot out"* tickets available from *Millard box office*
Ooo! I like your thinking! 😆🙌👍
Can i ask why you didn’t cut the mid panel joints in both the ends of the shelves and the face of the gables with the zeta at the same time.
Clamping the shelf in position on the gable and plunging into the face of the gable and then the end of the shelf while it was all set up, and therefore utilising only marking out/ positioning once?
Because I was using the divider and the plinth for the vertical positioning of the shelves in the carcass; if I'd used the ends of the mid-panel shelves I'd have to have been working of a pencil line for vertical position, which is much more finnicky. 👍
I liked your previous videos on the peanut jigs and I think this video has finally swayed me to get one. The only thing is I don't know how you got the router bit to fit in the trend t4 as from what I can see the smallest shank bit you can get for peanuts is 8mm and the t4 is 1/4?
Thanks! I do say in the previous vid. that the T4 (and most 1/4” routers btw) will take an 8mm collett. Works great! 👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Thanks I must have missed that bit, looks like your £300 set up with the t4 is the way to go. Like you said I'm sure you will wait a while but I would like to see you make the domino jig. I have made a domino jig to join the corners but haven't come up with one for t joins yet, I might have to steal the design you used for the peanuts in this video.
Another great video.
Thanks! 👍
Really interesting. I was exhausted after watching it all at X8 ! I was wondering if there is any real advantage between the two systems (apart from price). Is one considered stronger than the other, or are there certain applications where you might choose one in preference to the other.
Great video, thank you!
Thanks! The big difference really is the price difference between the two, not just the up-front costs, but the consumables as well. In terms of strength, the Peanuts2 is vastly stronger than the Tenso; a Tenso joint *must* be glued as well, the Peanut2 can be dry fitted.
@@10MinuteWorkshop Thank you!
Certainly want to see a domino jig, more likely to use a dowel style fixing. Not only that with same router you can make the flat dowels.
Hi Peter. I saw that you are using the trend T4 (1/4 inch) with the peanut jig. Do they do a 1/4inch version of the peanut mini jig as I was put off originally buying it due to it being 1/2 inch?
Keep up the good work 👏
Hi Greg. They’ve been doing an 8mm shank cutter for a little while; most 1/4” routers will take an 8mm collett. 👍👍
Hi Peter, thanks for the video. Very informative as usual. The question I would ask is which is the strongest fixing? The clamping strength of the Peanut fixing is very impressive, so I'm guessing the Peanut carcase is inherently stronger/more sturdy than the Lamello one...?
Peanut 2 vs the Tenso, oh absolutely, Peanut 2 wins hands down; Tenso does something like 7Kg/fitting, the Peanut 2 something like 90Kg/fitting in MDF, 140Kg in Birch ply. They're actually stronger than the Clamex, which is stupidly strong (~85Kg from memory) in itself. 👍
Just ordered a peanut 2 full size jig. Thanks for the videos. Look forward to employing it for build ins and mantels so I can knock down and transport before installation
I offer my pov from a slightly different angle. I do woodworking and I've built cabinets but I'm not a cabinet maker. I'm an architect.
I actually was working on a job and trying to figure out how to attach a piece of frp with a stainless front to a large opening over a hob in a assisted living home. I remembered the peanut jig and it would have easily done the job. Right now it's out for pricing so I'm waiting for a RFI to come into the office as to how to do it.
I think Lamello (sp) have shot themselves in the foot. Their machine is nothing more than a biscuit jointer and I'll bet money that someone comes out with a similar clamping system that you can use with any brand of biscuit jointer.
I much prefer (architecturally) the peanut "press/pull" connection rather than the Lamello plastic linkage.
Just my 2p's worth
Thanks Patrick. Yes, there’s an elegance and simplicity to the peanut connector - a modern take on the old ‘screw head in a t-slot’ approach, but with considerable ingenuity and modern materials development applied. And yes, it will be interesting to see what happens when the Lamello patents expire - and with the Domino too; I suspect though, as with tracksaws, we won’t see a significant price reduction in competing products from the big manufacturers. 👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop TBH I'm surprised some Chines company hasn't come out with a knock off already for the Lamello system. Look at all the layout tools in red but not with woodpeckers silly price tag.
I'm not sure if the Peanut is getting much press over here to boost it. I know some "celebrity" trim carpenters here but no one who's well known for cabinetry otherwise I'd push them in that direction.
The peanut system is brilliant. It's miles better than relying on hafele cam locks.
Awesome vid!!
Thanks! 👍
Enlightening !!!
AFTERNOON PETER GOING OFF THIS SUBJECT A BIT I HAVE LOOKED FOR YOUR VIDEO ON THE SMALL ELECTRIC SCREWDRIVER YOU USE IN YOUR HOUSE CANT FIND IT CAN YOU TELL ME THE MAKE OF IT NEED A HANDY LOW VOLTAGE TOOL FOR IN THE HOUSE
Cheers Anthony. It was the Gift Ideas 2020 video - czcams.com/video/83H1PxwmwqE/video.html. The screwdriver was this one - Hybro 3.6v electric screwdriver - amzn.to/2T3ofiZ (US: [similar] amzn.to/311Ey3Q) Works really well - was using it just the other day! 👍
I'm curious to know if you used the preload clips with the Tenso connector or if you just used the connector itself. I've personally had issues with the preload clips on the Tenso so I don't use them anymore.
Me too, so I just used regular ones here. 👍
wonder if you could 3d print your own clamex and peanuts. would be foa more expensive and time consuming but would be intersting to see done
Mike M has a video for a 3D printable button fix type system.
czcams.com/video/b7w83XW3gwM/video.html
Great video as always. Having worked with Luke at IF I know they are always helpful and he has a great eye for detail in his products. My main question for you is, when it’s time to make a paid three carcass project for say kitchen wall cabinets, without thinking about it, which system would you use to build it?
I presume you would go domino? (I know not all the systems are equal).
Will I see you again at the Summer Cycle?
Thanks! I think I’d tend to default to Dominos, just because it’s what I’ve used for the longest, and I’m most comfortable with. And yes - if it’s open, we’ll be there! 👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Thank you, for your honest opinion. Fingers crossed it will be.
Nice comparison. Would of thought the Lamello would of murdered it in time. Out of interest have you used the peanut fixings on chipboard?
Thanks - and yes, that was my assumption beforehand too! I haven’t used it in chipboard personally, but it was designed for chipboard, and I have samples in MFC which are excellent. 👍
Hi Peter,
Sure we want a domino jig :-)
No, but serious spoken it would be a very interesting jig, I have a feeling that I would rather use dominos than the pinots, but a Festool domino is way out of my budget range.
Thanks for the goed work
Thanks Anders! I think the domino jig is definitely on the cards! 👍👍
Would like to see a domino jig comparison, perhaps up against a dowel jig, this is the least expensive option and much of the time knock down fixings are either not required or not desirable.
I’ve done the plain-vanilla comparison in the Cabinetry Basics series; my idea for a domino jig would be as a carcasss jig, so an e.g. 3-slot jig for 600mm deep cabinets. 👍👍
It would be great to see your version of a domino jig. I like the idea of loose tenon joinery. But I don’t like the price of the Domino.
Thanks! On it 👍👍
Do you think a peanut system would work on a cnc machine? I'd imagine if it could be written into the code to do the style of pocket this would be a very quick and cost effective system, apart from the super expensive cnc machine of course
It was designed for CNC and nesting machines. Have a chat with the guys at @intelligentfixings that have vast experience in this area, and are very approachable. 👍👍
Another great video Peter, what would you say was the reason the Lamelo fell apart? Would also be interesting to see the strength of both the cabinets once constructed
The Tenso carcass fell apart because it doesn’t have the clamping strength to hold together, in my experience. The Clamex connectors are excellent, but the Tenso seems to be a much lighter-weight fitting.
Tenso needs glue
@@10MinuteWorkshop I don't understand this comparison- You're not using the Tenso correctly (needs to be used with glued) and bashing the system because you're not using it correctly?
I use cam dowels with wooden dowels home made jig
Good video, thanks
Thanks! 👍
For the domino jig could you just use the peanut 2 jugs you’ve already made with a 8mm spiral down cut router bit instead of the peanut router bit.
But only 1 size of slot. 👍
That's a great video, thanks for the content!
I was thinking the same thing 're the loose tenon. Interesting to see how fast that went up, Im really surprised as I love the Lamello for its speed but the connector cost is a big draw back. Not so much an issue when building for clients as you pass the cost on but when making jigs, boxes, carcasses etc in the workshop I have a tendency to not use it as its all additional cost and it soon adds up over time. How would you rate the Tenso vs Peanut in terms of strength?
Do you think we could make a jig and use the Peanuts to make timber panels up? That's one of the jobs we use the Lamello for, when you have 40 signs to make consisting of 160 pieces of timber, the Lamello sure cuts down on the clamping time. Do you think the glue would squeeze out of the joint or would it leave enough in there to join the pieces together?
Thanks! Peanut is 10x as strong at the Tenso - literally, 7Kg (Tenso) vs 90Kg (Peanut in MDF) or 140Kg (peanut in Birch ply). That's a great point about panel glue-up and too much clamping pressure - hadn't actually considered that, but the Peanut joint tightens the more you move it, so I guess you'd just nip it up enough to give a good pressure. Don't know if @intelligentfixings have done any tests on this? Hopefully we'll hear back, but if not give them a shout - they're very approachable. 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Ill definitely give them a shout. You have now created a whole world of issues for me though. There are lots of smaller projects we could batch out and have for sale on the shelf but the tenso cost makes it prohibitive...hmmm I might need one of these 🤦♂️ haha thanks again Peter. Have a great day!
Hi Peter. How do you think the peanut connectors would perform in MFC panels? I dabble in cabinetry and MFC is my go to material (because of the numerous finishes), usually using Hafele Rafix or Minifix connectors, but I'm always open to other methods.
They’re very good in MFC - it’s what they were designed for. I don’t use it much myself, but some of the first samples I had were in MFC and they were excellent. 👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Excellent, thanks. Great channel BTW 👌🏻
Thank you! 👍
What was the quality of the cabinets after you made them, I see in the video you have square enough, and mostly straight.
They were only dry-fitted, but they were solid, though the peanut pulls together more tightly than the tenso because it applies so much more pressure. "Square enough" and "Mostly straight" are ironic witticisms ie they're very straight, and absolutely square.
My conclusion:
Peanut:
+ Cheap Machine (Router)
+/- Jigs needed
- Peanuts are expensive
Lamello:
+/- No Jigs needed
- Machine is very expensive
- Tensos are expensive
My first thought was, that working with the Zeta will be quicker (no Jigs, no Screws). Thanks for showing this!
Peanuts are ~1/5th the price of Tensos; Dominos are ~1/5th the price of Peanuts, But then they do so much more. Oh, and dowels are ~1/4 the price of Dominos. Peanuts are the cheapest self-clamping connector you can but afaik. 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop So for cheap ppl like me, use biscuits. 🙂
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This was a result that I wasn’t expecting. Pleasantly surprised. Out of curiosity, what’s you main go-to joinery method when doing it for a customer? I’m guessing that it’s still a Domino? 🤔
Oh and I’ll put my hand up for the loose tenon video, please 👍 Although, it has to be for next week 😬😉
Me neither tbh! I did the peanut carcass first and recorded the time, I honestly thought the Lamello would be twice as fast. And in terms of time & motion, if you'd told me it would take an hour just to put a carcass together I'd never have believed it! 🤷♂️ 👍
Peter I'm a bit surprised you don't use the Zeta more often for carcass assembly. It may be because you're so accustomed to the Domino? Or you don't want to upcharge for the more expensive fittings? It seems to me from your videos that the Zeta might be quicker to work with.
It’s more that I bought the Zeta around the time that I started to do less cabinetry, really, and though the fittings are very expensive, they were usually a tiny amount of the overall price of a job. To make this carcass with Doninos would be much more challenging at the glue-up - I may do it as a ‘domino project’ just for fun. 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop I enjoy using the Domino but I find it can be unforgiving and/or overkill for basic carcass joinery that's going to get screwed together anyway. I'm eyeballing the Zeta for the Clamex and Tenso.
Aren't you supposed to put screws into the peanuts? (Or was I not paying attention and missed that?)
They were all screwed in, but there’s a limit to what I can show in a 10 minute video, covering two hour-long builds. Which is why I posted each full build at 2x speed, so anyone interested could check and see that I wasn’t leaving anything out. Links in the description. 👍
Hi Peter, very interested in picking up the peanut mini jig. Just wondering, I have a trend T5 router but would need to get a 8mm collet (about 25 quid), So I think I might as well get the T4 with the 8mm collet for 70ish instead. Are there any other expense like guide bushes / base plates I'd need with the T4?
The T4 just uses a standard trend guide bush straight into the base, so no adapters needed. The only extra I had to buy for June was the the 8mm collet. 👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Thanks Peter, Well I have the 30mm Trend guide bushing so I will get the T4 (Seems like they come with 1/4", 6mm and 8mm collets now). Maybe I'll have a router collection like yours one day :) Side question, do the trend guide bushes (in trend routers of course) require them to be centered or do they self align via the fixing screws?
@@10MinuteWorkshop You previously demoed the measurement on YT vid, but you did not explain why you made the jig off off the guide bush.
They seem to align pretty well, but I always use a cantering mandrel, just to be sure. 👍
@Craig Carter Surely that’s obvious?? How else would you centre a router in a slot like this? 🤔🤷♂️
At least you didn't end up putting the wrong fixtures into the wrong piece!(been there and done that a few times--arrrrrgggghhhh!)🥴😜😜😜😜😜😜👍👍👍👍👍
😂😂 Well, not that I showed in the video, anyway... 😆👍
domino jig pretty please! and background sign saying "smart enough"...
Ooo, ‘smart enough’ is good! Hadn’t thought of that one! 👍👍
Something that I don't think you have mentioned that is a pro in favour of the Peanut jig over the lamello or a domino for that matter. If the Lamello motor packs up, you gotta send it back, maybe under warranty maybe you gotta pay for repair, same goes for the domino. At the very least you are out of pocket in terms of time if not actual money as you cannot work without them. With the peanut jig if your router packs up, well you likely have another router on hand you could use, but you could also pick up a cheap router from screwfix etc and you would be out either 10 minutes to switch tools or an hour or two tops if you buy new and you can keep on working. Something to consider.
Yep, good point, though I’ve had my domino for ~12 years, used pretty much daily and have had zero issues. But very true what you say. 👍
Would you normally glue or just mechanical fixing?
With the Peanut it depends on wether I ever need to get it out again. With the Tenso I'd glue every time though. 👍
So if you’d glue every time with the Tenso does it have any advantage over, say, a domino. Seems like it’s more expensive, both for fittings and machine?
@@mobilefiscus I'm looking into the Tenso for a niche application - say you have a face frame to attach to already installed cabinetry where you can't use clamps or pocket screws and it's sprayed so you don't want to use brad nails.
Mmmm a domino jig??? Now that’s an idea!! ££££,s
It’s coming... 👍
ahh but with the peanut system ...is it going to eventually come loose over time? would you use it for your clients or just for your own workshop build etc?
There’s no way peanuts are loosening over time, but if it troubles you then add a bead of glue. 👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop thanks Peter for the reply...i just think either the plastic peanut will degree a little or screws pull outwards because of the pull force (I am sure there is a technical word for this :) )
@@ChristopherClaudioSkierka - Plastic - not really known for degrading, especially when completely covered and protected from the elements.
Also, once you hammer that peanut in, you then screw it, compressing it against the walls of your material internally, so, maybe if you managed to keep applying over 90kg of force (multiplied by the number of peanuts) for either a decent amount of time, or repeatedly, then they may start to give, but otherwise, you'd be pretty safe.
@@zeemalota732 so conclusion ..use for clients work and not just your diy jobs?
@@ChristopherClaudioSkierka - I only do DIY jobs, just saying that good quality plastic is damn tough and durable.
Domino jig?, oh yes please!. Next week will be ok
Are the Tenso connectors super fragile?
They’re certainly not super-strong, that’s for sure! I think the Clamex are an excellent connector, it I’ve been very disappointed with the Tenso. 🤷♂️👍
Don’t believe that I saw you driving screws into the peanuts. Surely that’s an essential step?
Well, there’s a limit to what I can show in a 10 minute video, covering two hour-long builds. Which is why Imposted each full build at 2x speed, so anyone interested could check and see that I wasn’t leaving anything out. Links in the description. 👍
You know… I know it’s not really your normal video, but… it does make me want to see some destructive testing of domino vs zeta vs peanut 2 vs glued-nailed. I know tests like that are always controversial, though. I also vaguely wonder if you can add strength to a domino by running a couple of 23-ga pins into a dominoed joint strategically. CZcams has a lot of “let’s see if X joint is stronger than Y joint” but not many “how can I make this joint stronger” videos. Except for that guy that always pins the top and bottom dovetail or finger in joints.
I stopped doing those kind of test comparisons a while back, for exactly the reasons you state - plus they take a lot of time to do, and generate more moaning comments about methodology than any real interest in the results. Not sure a 23g pin driven through a domino would add much strength - once the glue’s let go I wouldn’t rely on a 23g pin to hold much together - but I know guys who clamp, pin the domino, then remove the clamps. Shear strength for Clamex (~80kg) and Peanut 2 fittings (~140kg) are stated by the manufacturers, but festool don’t publish anything for the Domino, unfortunately. 👍
Please a tenonjigg would be cool.
On it. 👍
Foe sure the Domino Jig
On it, thanks! 👍