Lets hope so. McLaren have been on a decline over the past three years while he has been in charge. Paul Walsh the Executive Chairman of McLaren must be able to see through the smoke and mirrors. Brown got rid of Ricciardo as his scapegoat, and now in 2023 another dog of a car appears on his watch, and now he says that McLaren wont be competitive until 2025. Surely this is totally unacceptable in F1, the pinnacle of world motorsport.
@@markphilpottultra He has been in charge for a while longer than those 3 years as far as I know..either way at no point was he considered some kind of big leader. He is keeping the team financially stable though thanks to his marketing talent.
Horner's comments in the media interviews still annoy me. They overspent. The damage done to the brand was thanks to Horner denying it, and attacking those who didn't. If he has admitted they made a mistake then it would have shut things down sooner, and taken the sting out of criticism. And to use mental health as a reason for competitors to not complain is awful. What about the mental health of everyone who did their work within the rules and didn't get the advantage of an overspend? The vast majority of staff at Red Bull aren't to blame, it's on accounts and senior management for either failing to keep every department in budget, or for consciously thinking catering didn't matter.
@@seeyouaunty they were still over once the credit had been applied but by only 0.37%. it's still a breach but it's small. And whilst that explains some of it, it is still a Ref Bull failure to not understand the rules correctly. Every other team managed to apply the tax credit.
@@aloksoreng1698400k would buy a new transmission and a full rear wing with DRS. Or a new front wing and nose cone, plus a new steering wheel and a replacement braking system. For example. Edited to add. The value of the parts I listed are in USD. The USD amount of the breach was $500k so you can also add two drivers seats and suspension, and two sets of tyres to the examples I gave above. In GBP the overspend amount was £432k.
McLaren accusing others for cheating is kinda ironic considering how McLaren suffered from the same thing in 2007 (Spygate), except the fact it was *true* . Spygate was (somehow) the starting point of McLaren's downfall, with a tremendous millionaire sanction that affected the brand forever since they never fully recovered from that. Yeah, Hamilton won the championship in 2008, but after that, McLaren has been going downstairs and now they're becoming the new Williams, with a frustrated Lando Norris and a new rookie (Piastri) who left Alpine just to compite against Sargeant as his goal for this year lmao.
Same goes to Ferrari, still cannot get their engines right and even when launching their best push towards a championship is still the team they were a decade ago, so close yet so far away
@@wathog01 Ferrari always bounce back even after bad season in 2020, 2008 might be the last year Ferrari won the championship but they are always amongs top 3 teams in 21th century (except 2009,2014 and 2020). Ferrari wasn't as bad as McLaren and Williams, they will never go down like McLaren and Williams because they're not private team
Don't forget Liargate from Melbourne where both Lewis Hamilton and Dave Ryan lied to the stewards that Lewis did not let Jarno Truli retake his place behind the safety car after he went off the road at the second last turn. It cost Dave his job. Lewis likes to say "he never lies" but his memory is poor.
Interesting that the 'procedural' breach by Aston Martin that also formed part of this news story in 2022 hasn't been reheated in 2023 now that they have a much more competitive car. I'm an Alonso fan. But I'd be interested in seeing someone dive deeper into that to see if there's any tangible link between those two facts.
What went even further under the radar was Williams also had a procedural breach, but they agreed ABA. Theirs was for late filing rather than overspend though. But they have seen a big performance improvement this year.
That Aston Martin Procedural breech was them missing a tax rebate. ( They were going to get 1.1M£ back from the government which they didn't add and that was a performance loss not a gain)
The letter he should be writing is his resignation letter.......Dear Paul Walsh, due to my incompetence as CEO of McLaren F1 I am hereby submitting, with immediate effect my resignation letter.........
Christian Horner bringing "mental health" into this is singularly inappropriate. What an embarrassment he is to his team and the sport.
How is the mental health of all the teams redbull cheated? Such a pathetic response
Yeah that was embarrassing.
I think Zak's days are numbered at Mclaren.
Lets hope so. McLaren have been on a decline over the past three years while he has been in charge. Paul Walsh the Executive Chairman of McLaren must be able to see through the smoke and mirrors. Brown got rid of Ricciardo as his scapegoat, and now in 2023 another dog of a car appears on his watch, and now he says that McLaren wont be competitive until 2025. Surely this is totally unacceptable in F1, the pinnacle of world motorsport.
he is the best ceo
@@markphilpottultra He has been in charge for a while longer than those 3 years as far as I know..either way at no point was he considered some kind of big leader. He is keeping the team financially stable though thanks to his marketing talent.
Lol 😂😂😂😂 4 months later. McLaren are now 2nd best team
@@MuhammadNiz007 3 years from now ...
Horner's comments in the media interviews still annoy me. They overspent. The damage done to the brand was thanks to Horner denying it, and attacking those who didn't. If he has admitted they made a mistake then it would have shut things down sooner, and taken the sting out of criticism. And to use mental health as a reason for competitors to not complain is awful. What about the mental health of everyone who did their work within the rules and didn't get the advantage of an overspend? The vast majority of staff at Red Bull aren't to blame, it's on accounts and senior management for either failing to keep every department in budget, or for consciously thinking catering didn't matter.
Redbull forgot to apply for a tax credit, with that they came in under the budget
It's just 400k
@@seeyouaunty they were still over once the credit had been applied but by only 0.37%. it's still a breach but it's small. And whilst that explains some of it, it is still a Ref Bull failure to not understand the rules correctly. Every other team managed to apply the tax credit.
@@aloksoreng1698400k would buy a new transmission and a full rear wing with DRS. Or a new front wing and nose cone, plus a new steering wheel and a replacement braking system. For example.
Edited to add. The value of the parts I listed are in USD. The USD amount of the breach was $500k so you can also add two drivers seats and suspension, and two sets of tyres to the examples I gave above.
In GBP the overspend amount was £432k.
@@carriew5106 👍👌
McLaren accusing others for cheating is kinda ironic considering how McLaren suffered from the same thing in 2007 (Spygate), except the fact it was *true* . Spygate was (somehow) the starting point of McLaren's downfall, with a tremendous millionaire sanction that affected the brand forever since they never fully recovered from that.
Yeah, Hamilton won the championship in 2008, but after that, McLaren has been going downstairs and now they're becoming the new Williams, with a frustrated Lando Norris and a new rookie (Piastri) who left Alpine just to compite against Sargeant as his goal for this year lmao.
Exactly, McLaren had much worse consequences. Redbull got away with it much easy.
Same goes to Ferrari, still cannot get their engines right and even when launching their best push towards a championship is still the team they were a decade ago, so close yet so far away
@@wathog01 how does all this affect their performance on track?
@@wathog01 Ferrari always bounce back even after bad season in 2020, 2008 might be the last year Ferrari won the championship but they are always amongs top 3 teams in 21th century (except 2009,2014 and 2020). Ferrari wasn't as bad as McLaren and Williams, they will never go down like McLaren and Williams because they're not private team
Don't forget Liargate from Melbourne where both Lewis Hamilton and Dave Ryan lied to the stewards that Lewis did not let Jarno Truli retake his place behind the safety car after he went off the road at the second last turn. It cost Dave his job. Lewis likes to say "he never lies" but his memory is poor.
Interesting that the 'procedural' breach by Aston Martin that also formed part of this news story in 2022 hasn't been reheated in 2023 now that they have a much more competitive car.
I'm an Alonso fan. But I'd be interested in seeing someone dive deeper into that to see if there's any tangible link between those two facts.
What went even further under the radar was Williams also had a procedural breach, but they agreed ABA. Theirs was for late filing rather than overspend though. But they have seen a big performance improvement this year.
@@carriew5106 When breaking the rules closes the midfield: 😏
When breaking the rules extends your lead: 😱
That Aston Martin Procedural breech was them missing a tax rebate. ( They were going to get 1.1M£ back from the government which they didn't add and that was a performance loss not a gain)
400,000 is one copy of half of a wing.
Aged like milk. RB is still leading
Maybe everyone with a negative comment about this with red bull should research this hypocrites team and ferarris legacy on cheating first....
Maybe Zak Brown band should have paid attention more to his team's performance than complain about Red Bull.
Zak!! This is about your letter in 2022…..now you on the last place on the grid. Stupid thinking about Red Bull, this is it.
The letter he should be writing is his resignation letter.......Dear Paul Walsh, due to my incompetence as CEO of McLaren F1 I am hereby submitting, with immediate effect my resignation letter.........
How about now. They went from last to 4th in 3/4th of a season. Very possible to end up 3rd.
Maybe should have spent less time writing letters and more time sorting out his basket-case of a team.
Very good point, always deflecting the blame is Z Brown. A truly leader shows accountability, not throwing his teammates under the bus.
Because of this McLaren will not get a RedBull power unit 2026