Otmar saying "I know what I'm doing" losing Alonso and Piastri because he didn't make offers to either of them -and then called Piastri disloyal and wanted to sue him because he got a job when he wasn't given the offer or choice.... Clearly, he's made a lot of blunders even though signing Gasly is a great move that I'll give him credit for.
So Otmar knew there was no contract. How can he expect loyalty from the drivers when he has no contract. Also, he was playing politics with the drivers. That’s why both Oscar and Fernando left.
If Alpine really wanted him they should have offered Oscar a contract before any other agreements expired. If Alonso had not left (he was also out of contract) then Oscar would have been the reserve driver for another season.
Oscar would have most likely gone to Williams in that scenario as they were trying to place him there. For some reason alpine want to make Williams their junior team, but Williams aren’t exactly keen on that idea. Mark webber, his manager, also wasn’t keen on placing him in a backmarker team, so he was also pushing to help Oscar find a seat in a better team.
@@HaraiGoshi345 I don't think Williams would have been keen on taking Piastri, they don't use Renault engines and one of the drivers need to come with quite a hefty sponsorship to finance the team, unless Alpine pay Williams a shit load of money, Williams would have either stuck with Latifi or promote Logan Sargaent.
It was just like Otmar said. Oscar didn’t feel he had a contract thats why he opened his door. If you have a tight contract like Verstappen you wouldn’t even think of other teams.
Very interesting to hear the two American principles speak directly in this manner. F1 is so Euro-heavy, style, tone, approach shown here contrast much with inter-principle interactions between the Euros or Euros with Americans.
For someone who says they know everything about F1 and being 25 years in the sport, Otmar Szafnauer should've known better and not lost piastri. Pretty much everything he ever said turned out to be the other way around.
Am I the only one that sees Zak as being a great boss here who stands up for his employees and fights back with some great lines such as “that would be a PR disaster for you guys” and Otmar as the one in the wrong?
@@kaxigakakor Why spend tens of millions on a driver and not build a car to his liking? He told reporters at the Australian GP that the engineering team at McLaren left him very frustrated and they wouldn't listen. He said he should have been more forceful. Hence why Brown restructured.
Sorry but Alpine should of tied down either Fernando or Oscar. They procrastinated far too long. They lost out due to poor strategic decisions and indecisiveness. You always lock in your drivers early as you can. Because once they're in, you don't have to piss around with anything else. McLaren and Aston Martin did the right thing in reaping the two drivers looking for seats. If you had Oscar under developmental work, you should of given him a contract with a potential call up. You gave ridiculous amounts of information to a driver that was not secured. That is just stupidity at it's finest.
I think Otmar was stuck in the middle. De Meo and Rossi on one side, with Oscar and a weak contract on the other. Alonso jumping ship only magnified the situation. It was a lose-lose.
This is about the AUKUS submarine contract between France 'Alpine' and US/UK McLaren! Oscar represents Australia. 🤣🤣 Daniel Ricciardo and Oscar Piastri said to hell with the French. 🤣🤣
Italian journalist Roberto Chinchero, he works for Sky F1 and writes for Motorsport IT. He's been in the circle for a while and knows he's stuff, so he has a good relationship with a lot of the drivers and team principles.
@@mclarenrob2 if that's the case, it's more likely that Daniel was siding with Zak. Hence why the guy said "I told you not to trust Zak". Your comment would make sense if daniel was slandering Zak, which he clearly didn't
He is probably the best businessman running a team in the sport, discounting of course Mr. Stroll, who technically isn't running the team directly (hired a CEO to do it). Sporting results haven't been there, but he prints money for his shareholders.
@@stephenmartinek8315First of all Toto is a much better businessman than either Stroll or Brown. Second of all, if Brown was a good business man he would have focused on building an excellent technical team first and foremost, of which he clearly did not.
I really hate that guy for bashing Zak like that. 1st off, Danny Ric was in the slump for soo many years since he left Red Bull. Whether he can hold the gauntlet against Lando was one thing but surely, he can't. Car is up to him to tell his mechanics how he wanted it set up. He has the whole season to do it and yet he can't. He's trailing Lando consistently and at some point, the team definitely has to cut him loose and let him seek other teams rather than stagnating in theirs. Not Zak's fault that Danny Ric just isn't good enough anymore is it? 2nd, how is whatever Oscar Piastri did Zak's fault? Alpine didn't have a contract for Oscar thus Oscar had to jump around and ask for one. McLaren gave him one on the pretext that he didn't receive one from his primary team sponsor, Alpine. Then Otmar admitted behind closed doors that Alpine didn't plan ahead to offer Oscar a contract but played the loyalty card and reported it out like it was a god damn "sure deal" type of thing and yet complained about it that Zak poached his men when there's no black and white even being signed with Alpine and Oscar to have him drive for them in their machine. It's all a god damn farce and major fuckup on Alpine's side but they're not taking the blame.
Agree. Re Ric in the end it was his point contribution that ended it. Re Alpine, They lost 2 very good drivers by them leaving. That was their choice not by circumstance.
Agreed. Apparently the Red Bull engineers felt that Ricciardo was not very good at giving detailed feedback on a car. People think that a drivers job is just to race, that's only half of it. The best drivers understand what's wrong and have the cars built around them. When the difference between front & mid field is only a fraction of a second in pace, this stuff matters.
@@alexanderg1935 Adrian Newey disagrees with you. There are a lot of interviews that he gave where he said Daniel was really detailed with everything about the cars and that he was one of the best when it came to feedback, similar to Max. So I know its popular shitting on Daniel but you should check your facts.
who? the guy who beat Sebastian Vettel in his prime with the same machinery in 2014? the guy who make Racing point fighting for 3rd in the Constructor Championship in 2020 after finishing 7th in the previous year? or Zak? or Oscar?
Roberto Chinchero "I told you not to trust Zak" 😂😂😂👍🏻👏🏻
Roberto "I told you not to trust Zak, it's his fault Lando lapped you" Chinchero
he is 1000% being paid by drive to survive to get that out in front of cameras...
Otmar saying "I know what I'm doing" losing Alonso and Piastri because he didn't make offers to either of them -and then called Piastri disloyal and wanted to sue him because he got a job when he wasn't given the offer or choice.... Clearly, he's made a lot of blunders even though signing Gasly is a great move that I'll give him credit for.
So Otmar knew there was no contract. How can he expect loyalty from the drivers when he has no contract. Also, he was playing politics with the drivers. That’s why both Oscar and Fernando left.
Exactly. Unfortunately many people fell for Alpine's bullshit about loyalty and slammed Piastri.
Agree. You wouldn’t leave if you’re happy or secure where you are. You lost 2 good drivers. Thats facts.
and now Otmar is no longer in Formula 1.
If Alpine really wanted him they should have offered Oscar a contract before any other agreements expired. If Alonso had not left (he was also out of contract) then Oscar would have been the reserve driver for another season.
Oscar would have most likely gone to Williams in that scenario as they were trying to place him there. For some reason alpine want to make Williams their junior team, but Williams aren’t exactly keen on that idea.
Mark webber, his manager, also wasn’t keen on placing him in a backmarker team, so he was also pushing to help Oscar find a seat in a better team.
@@HaraiGoshi345 I don't think Williams would have been keen on taking Piastri, they don't use Renault engines and one of the drivers need to come with quite a hefty sponsorship to finance the team, unless Alpine pay Williams a shit load of money, Williams would have either stuck with Latifi or promote Logan Sargaent.
@@tbmofoulprinceromero The rumored idea was that Alpine get Oscar a seat at Williams and get them hooked with a discounted Renault engine.
They had a contract. It just wasn’t watertight.
It was just like Otmar said. Oscar didn’t feel he had a contract thats why he opened his door. If you have a tight contract like Verstappen you wouldn’t even think of other teams.
Ricciardo’s Italian is really impressive
Well he is Italian
@@michaelvlcek1766 Italian family but he was born in Australia.
@@simonkevnorris his parents speak italian with him and English is second language
last name Ricciardo its italian
Mah, insomma. Non è che sia granché fluente.
Veiled from Zak - “imagine what we’re gonna make you look like if you chase a reserve driver for £5 million”
0:47 there's no way that's the sound the alpine makes when locking the car
So that an American audience can understand. Wouldn't be a surprise if they dubbed the sound of a V8 over the top of it driving in.
@@jimjam218 wahh america bad
Very interesting to hear the two American principles speak directly in this manner. F1 is so Euro-heavy, style, tone, approach shown here contrast much with inter-principle interactions between the Euros or Euros with Americans.
Isnt Otmar european though?
@@thepinhead908 Born in Hungary, moved to US at age 7, American citizen.
Zak isn't a team principle, he's the McLaren CEO
@@jebus89 Eh, semantics
Its euro heavy because its a european sport
Otmar be like "the devil shivers, when a nice guy loses his temper"
For someone who says they know everything about F1 and being 25 years in the sport, Otmar Szafnauer should've known better and not lost piastri. Pretty much everything he ever said turned out to be the other way around.
Maybe he knew Piastri was going to be trash 😅
Yep. Remember when Otmar told us all that Sergio had a contract for 2021? Next day they announced Seb.
@@ovs4744 get a grip mate.
@@kb5509 open your eyes mate.
@@ovs4744 to what? 3 races in a bad car? Which of the last 2 seasons of Drive to Survive led you to become interested in F1 by chance?
Daniel speaking Italian feels cursed and I don't know why
Any man who must say ‘I am king’ is no true king
Zak is the person that I rather not to trust, because he's a snake and the manipulator
Otmar invents himself a reputation
Imagine not having a contract....in this sport....which is a pit of snakes. Dumb feckin move Alpine.
and what position the cars of both team competing now? :D
good drama tho
Am I the only one that sees Zak as being a great boss here who stands up for his employees and fights back with some great lines such as “that would be a PR disaster for you guys” and Otmar as the one in the wrong?
Ricciardo was his employee aswell
@@gesucristo2357 Underperforming employee who got sacked but still get paid full contract.
@@gesucristo2357 yes and he didnt perform for 2 years.
@@kaxigakakor Why spend tens of millions on a driver and not build a car to his liking? He told reporters at the Australian GP that the engineering team at McLaren left him very frustrated and they wouldn't listen. He said he should have been more forceful. Hence why Brown restructured.
@@mitchh3879 cause engineers try to build the fastest car not the car that is the most comfortable.
Sorry but Alpine should of tied down either Fernando or Oscar. They procrastinated far too long. They lost out due to poor strategic decisions and indecisiveness. You always lock in your drivers early as you can. Because once they're in, you don't have to piss around with anything else. McLaren and Aston Martin did the right thing in reaping the two drivers looking for seats.
If you had Oscar under developmental work, you should of given him a contract with a potential call up. You gave ridiculous amounts of information to a driver that was not secured. That is just stupidity at it's finest.
French team....
Zac is a snaaaake. he could have handled the daniel situation better. tsk tsk
My Oscar contract, no MY Oscar contract, NO MY Oscar contract
There was absolutely no case against oscar and that’s why they dropped the case.
His video posted on Instagram for leaving McLaren was before this discussion or not ??
I think Otmar was stuck in the middle.
De Meo and Rossi on one side, with Oscar and a weak contract on the other.
Alonso jumping ship only magnified the situation.
It was a lose-lose.
Fernando left because Otmar was publicly roasting him for literally no reason. Otmar played this horribly
Who was Fernando speaking to?
Ahahaha chinchero lol sarà benvoluto da mclaren ora
i know this is serious and all, but its pretty funny to hear grazie mate, grazie
„I know exactly what I‘m doing“
Talking out your ass, lying and treating drivers like trash ? Ok if you say so.
I really hope Danny tries Indycar or Nascar at some point.
According to Justin Marks, Danny Ric was interested in being a part of Project 91.
he's back in F1!
Anyone know who that first guy talking to Daniel is ?
Roberto Chinchero, an italian journalist.
the devil shivers when otmar loses his temper. dont mess with the nice guy
lmao otmar is an impotent fool
This is about the AUKUS submarine contract between France 'Alpine' and US/UK McLaren! Oscar represents Australia. 🤣🤣
Daniel Ricciardo and Oscar Piastri said to hell with the French. 🤣🤣
Alpine performed and is performing better than McLaren
however It does not assured a seat to Piastri
I am willing to bet the farm that Oscar is regretting his decision.
And you will lose that farm. Piastri is on the same points as both Alpines and McLaren are already bringing big changes for next year.
and Otmar got the boot from Alpine
and oscar just got a podium
and just won a sprint as well
yeahhh dunno bout that now
Anyone know who daniel was speaking to?
Italian journalist
I thought it was Stefano Domenicali.
Italian journalist Roberto Chinchero, he works for Sky F1 and writes for Motorsport IT. He's been in the circle for a while and knows he's stuff, so he has a good relationship with a lot of the drivers and team principles.
The great and only roberto chinchero
Zak and his team are the joke of F1
The first race of this season couldn’t prove this any better 😂
Not sure why Oscar signed with papaya team ?
For sure. But it has nothing to do with Daniel not succeeding. Daniel was just shit.
not anymore......
" i told you not to trust Zak" you got outperformed by a rookie, twice, Danny boy.
The car was and still is shit
And lapped once by his teammate too :D
Daniel didn't say that you goof
@JustinTillig No, but whoever that bloke was did, so they must have been talking about it.
@@mclarenrob2 if that's the case, it's more likely that Daniel was siding with Zak. Hence why the guy said "I told you not to trust Zak".
Your comment would make sense if daniel was slandering Zak, which he clearly didn't
Lol when are we going to realize that zak is one of the people on f1? He has achieved nothing with Mclaren.
1-2 2021?
He is probably the best businessman running a team in the sport, discounting of course Mr. Stroll, who technically isn't running the team directly (hired a CEO to do it). Sporting results haven't been there, but he prints money for his shareholders.
@@stephenmartinek8315First of all Toto is a much better businessman than either Stroll or Brown. Second of all, if Brown was a good business man he would have focused on building an excellent technical team first and foremost, of which he clearly did not.
I really hate that guy for bashing Zak like that.
1st off, Danny Ric was in the slump for soo many years since he left Red Bull. Whether he can hold the gauntlet against Lando was one thing but surely, he can't. Car is up to him to tell his mechanics how he wanted it set up. He has the whole season to do it and yet he can't. He's trailing Lando consistently and at some point, the team definitely has to cut him loose and let him seek other teams rather than stagnating in theirs. Not Zak's fault that Danny Ric just isn't good enough anymore is it?
2nd, how is whatever Oscar Piastri did Zak's fault? Alpine didn't have a contract for Oscar thus Oscar had to jump around and ask for one. McLaren gave him one on the pretext that he didn't receive one from his primary team sponsor, Alpine. Then Otmar admitted behind closed doors that Alpine didn't plan ahead to offer Oscar a contract but played the loyalty card and reported it out like it was a god damn "sure deal" type of thing and yet complained about it that Zak poached his men when there's no black and white even being signed with Alpine and Oscar to have him drive for them in their machine. It's all a god damn farce and major fuckup on Alpine's side but they're not taking the blame.
Agree. Re Ric in the end it was his point contribution that ended it. Re Alpine, They lost 2 very good drivers by them leaving. That was their choice not by circumstance.
Agreed. Apparently the Red Bull engineers felt that Ricciardo was not very good at giving detailed feedback on a car. People think that a drivers job is just to race, that's only half of it. The best drivers understand what's wrong and have the cars built around them. When the difference between front & mid field is only a fraction of a second in pace, this stuff matters.
Non ti permettere di parlare male di chinchero
@@alexanderg1935 Adrian Newey disagrees with you. There are a lot of interviews that he gave where he said Daniel was really detailed with everything about the cars and that he was one of the best when it came to feedback, similar to Max. So I know its popular shitting on Daniel but you should check your facts.
Zak who?
This guy is so overrated, end of this season nobody want give him a cockpit!!!
who? the guy who beat Sebastian Vettel in his prime with the same machinery in 2014? the guy who make Racing point fighting for 3rd in the Constructor Championship in 2020 after finishing 7th in the previous year? or Zak? or Oscar?
I was meaning Oscar !!
Didn't he sign a multi-year deal?
No one wants to drive for alpine because of your PINK UNIFORMS. 😂