Why The Amazing Spider-Man is Amazingly Bad
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It's such a shame these movies are bad too, because it's so obvious Andrew Garfield loves being and playing Spider-Man. He has such a passion for it and the writing just does him so dirty.
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I blame Avi Arad
Yes, his appearance in NWH just makes this so clear
Not to mention he and Emma Stone had incredible chemistry. Emma flat out said she would be down for playing Spider Gwen the second she got the phone call, so pretty disappointing it never happened.
Yeah.
I can't help but think that the director was chosen not for a creative vison, or for being a good fit for a superhero movie, but instead because his last name is "Webb."
Lol
actually it is... Sony had problem with Raimi because he had a vision, that Sony didn't agree, so they made TASM, a franchise that everyone working has no point of view and crativity ideas would come from Sony
I think the worst offense of this movie is giving some convoluted story with Peter's parents.
The whole point of Peter Parker is that he's basically "what if ANYONE got spider powers?", he just happened to get that bite. In spite of that normality, it makes Peter more compelling.
Now he's just another "special" hero all along...
Then you would hate the fact that in the comics his powers are implied to come from an ancient spider god
Also his parents are CIA agents and he also has a long lost sister who is a secret agent as well
If cosmonaut variety hour's video is believable, then according to mark webb peter's blood would've revived the dead if they had gotten a sequel!
@@djordjekrsmanovic 😉👍!
“The whole point of Peter Parker is “what if anyone got spider powers?”.”
Yeah, except Peter is not “anyone”, he is a super genius who invented his web shooters from a pile of garbage. And that’s not just a minor detail, a huge part of his career as Spider-Man relies on his incredible intelligence. This is why I hate this whole argument that Peter is supposed to be relatable, just a normal school student, when he is clearly not. Even comics has moved away from this premise a long time ago. The only version where this works is Raimi movies, where they gave him organic webs and toned down his intellect.
@@diehard7517 Exactly!! And there is even more than most people think of Peter. Like the situation of him being bullied in school...that's...not as straightforward as people make it out to be. He was bullied, yes, but he literally stood up for others, and he had friends and some girls even had a crush on him. He wasn't the outcast loser, just someone who was confronted by Flash time and time again. (Heck at the end of their HS years, Flash's girlfriend at the time, Liz, ditched him for Peter, but Peter didn't want her lol)
There are so many reinterpretations of the franchise in the Raimi movies, but people think those are "the original"...
Peter Parker aka Spider-Man in his younger years is about making dumb mistakes and learning from them.
This is why I don't get the complaint of Lonart about the chocolate milk. This scene describes best how Spideys early years went by. A lot of pretty dumb decisions. Pretty harmful decisions.
Only in later years he got better at actually doing the right thing...or atleast, having his mind at the right place (Another Day wasn't his fault, he was forced into this dilemma...)
Sorry for the rant. Just a "Yeah, you're absolutely right!" from me :)
With exception of the Peter parents plot, I enjoy the film, specially due to Garfield and Stone amazing acting. I like how Gwen in this version is not just love interest for Peter, she also scientist like him and use her knowloge to help Peter in situations. She goes in direction of danger rather than run away from it. As for Garfield I thought he was better Spider Man than Tobey Maguire. Nothing against him, but the Raimi film felt they focus way to much on showing Peter as "nerd loser" and forgot other aspects of the character.
Garfield feels much more close to Peter after AMS 3 or 4 when he started to become more confident chaming. Instead of being pushed around by others, he just stands up and makes fun of his bullies. Instead of been reject by girls he start to develop relationship with others ladies. This are the aspect that Garfield nailed as Peter, as well the jokey sense of humor Spider Man, creating nice balance between the two identities. His bad temper didn't bother me since, even in the comics, Peter did had moments of frustration and anger (one the best exemple is in one my favorite Spider Man stories, "If This be my Destiny...", when looks like Peter won't be able to save the life of his aunt, we have panel of Peter breaking a table in anger for the idea of not being able to save the woman who raised him)
I don't see why people complain about Andrew trying to find the tief out of revenge that is why Toby did as well he chased after the guy who killed uncle Ben out of revenge not anything else
I feel like this movie put too much time and focus into this, like his reason for fighting OTHER criminals is revenge, and that's not the case with Tobey. In his movie I alway interpreted that he got the dude who killed Uncle Ben for revenge and that was it, and a bit of time later he donned the costume because he now understood that he had a responsibility, not because he was angry.
I dont think ben pulling out th qquote out seems unreasonable for him either, thois peter is clearly very stubbern, as is ben, and i think ben worries enough to hammer things into him, topull that quote more often. I think it shows good enough a preeistence good but clashing relationship of care. This ben isnt perfect either, and frustrated wrongly that time.
It just a weird nitpick when it does a good job howing th dynamic very well and that ben i human too, but worried, and wants to hammer that don an is justifid, but not there, and their last words are a miscommunication. That sad, that would haunt peter.
Dramatic that is thm being more human and that , it dosnt have to make logical sense, bcaus it maks dramatic sense, An people arent logical, this is more emotional peronally , which works better in enough apects for me. .
In defense of Peter and Ben arguing scene: the movie clearly shows that they have a bit of tension between each other, which comes from the fact that Ben doesn’t really know how to be a father to him. This version of Peter was also shown to be more of an angsty teenager rather than the shy nerd like in the Raimi trilogy or the original comics, which also makes harder for Ben to connect with him. So, this scene comes off like them finally exploding at each other.
Honstly, it makes it probably hit harer that they have th same dynamic of uncaring and ben i understan why he is worried an tries to hammer probably regulary that home to keep him from trouble. And peter being more angsty, And blowing that over .
I think its a great idea to have the lat bit not a making sense conflict that is clear , but a miscommunication :( , also i think it makes sense that this more human ben is frustrated an shouting, than the original.
It just difernent, becaus ben is mor frustrated and pter more edgy and, i thig that thy both care but thaat the lat words are misundrstandings, is dramatic a better way to haunt peter, and him trying to fingd th responsibility, which he does step by step.
I genuinly like it in a lot of aspect more, why it haunts peter, why ben is more easy to shout that, and still a good parent, and last words, it probably haiunts more when it micommunication. I jut felt that more. An the milk is, a consequence overlooking one crime that presumely is einsure anyways, out of pettyness, thats honestly campy enough to still be good.
It was a lot like the ultimate spider-man comics.
Original comic Peter was edgy too. He basically swears revenge on his bullies like a school shooter
@@TheShockVox yeah but he never had any argument with his uncle ben and aunt may , in that respect he was mature as he himself says always making sure to please them he even says something like they are the only people I cared for , the rest of the world may go to hell.
@@TheShockVox yeah, but he still more or less was a stereotypical awkward nerd. With giant glasses and carrying textbooks and stuff like that.
I actually really like that the revenge plotline is dropped. He never makes that concise decision, it just happens. More and more people are in danger and it's in Peter's nature to help others at his own risk. By the time the threat has been defeated, he's grown. He is no longer trying to get revenge.
Exactly. He drops it as he becomes a hero
I would have liked some more direct resolution like as you said he’s changed so it would have been nice for him to reflect back on how when he started out it was for the wrong reasons and was immature.
I think it would have worked better if, say, after the dinner with Gwen's dad Peter ripped the piece of paper with the guy's face. Instead it just happens and is basically forgotten about. It doesn't work *as a story*.
I feel as if it did get an ending, but its something people overlook, in the first scene with the lizard he had a choice, Save the little kid in the car, or go after the lizard and take him down. This shows the change is peter's decision making, where he now choses to save people instead of capturing the villian. We know this because after the parent calls for help spiderman still turns around to look at the lizard.
It gets me people can't get nuance anymore people can't separate "Garfield is a good actor in a bad to mediocre movie" with "Grlfield is so good we didn't appreciate those amazing spiderman movies". People unironically trying to defend that franchise
If people like it. Whats the problem. They are not defending a criminal
@@clockwerk152 he is saying there is a difference between a Good Script and a Good Actor. How hard is it for you to Understand
@@seyio1717 i see someone is mad here. Gotta love the "why its so hard to understand" argument.
The thing is nowadays people love more to beat a dead horse then actually have fun or try to like other stuff.
Yeah the movie is some of the worse of spiderman. Wow popular opinion. Lets say that everyday in the Internet. The movie is so old and u are here to say again its a bad movie. Now what? U get paid to be the trillion guy criticize the movie? Must be tiredsome to always criticize something old instead of finding othet stuff to apreciate. Go watch spidetman2 or no way home since u dont like this one. People that see this movie now are people that want to make this videos and try to shove their opinions to people that agree with them or are people that enjoy the movie. Let me guess. U are one of the many people still saying sonic 06 is shit and buggy after 16 years?
@@seyio1717 oh yeah i didnt know you were the lawyer of this guy. I think its hard to understand that this movie sucks, everyone needs to be reminded by that and no one can enjoy it because the movie sucks and the actors are good but the scrip sucks and spiderman is good but the movie sucks and the sky is blue but this movie sucks sucks sucks sucks sucks.
Like i said: if people like it why its so bad to defend the movie? Its worse then being here years saying the movie sucks and try to analise in a video (like 1047507204820 other channels along the years) why if u like a movie that is hated by a lot of people you go to hell?
@@seyio1717 oh for what i see on your comments of this channel you only say the movie in each video sucks. Wow. U really are a fun person
Uncle Ben's death doesn't make too much sense for me either. For starters why did the store guy ask Peter for help? Like "Hey random teenager could you help me with this GUY WITH A GUN?", also what the fuck was Ben thinking?
Ben has very old school values he comes off as the kind of person to risk his life to fight an armed man while working a minimum wage job
@@dragonwings123456789if someone in front of you dropped a gun, what are you gonna do? Probably just walk the other way. For someone reason Ben screams and goes for the gun, why would he do that? No one was in danger
I like how they make the swings with practical effects
They made Spiderman look more real
The color pallate is dreary,spidey's ultimately moody teen stuff is both cringe and incriminating,and connors decides on a dime to turn everyone into lizards?
@@erikbihari3625 dafuck does that have any to do about Leonardo comment?
He was praising the swings and u talk about parker on school?
@@clockwerk152because it's a superficial aspect that isn't necessarily make it better it's like saying avatar has the Best cgi because it's 3D. The whole cgi vs practical effects debate in general is like a dog chasing their own tail!
@@erikbihari3625 "spidey's ultimately moody teen stuff is both cringe and incriminating" Boy! you would not like a chunk of the comics then.
@@bananawithaknife. Isn't he more like that in the ultimate comics(wich I cleverly referenced, as you noticed)? Just asking, though.
I think the ASM films have some undeniably iffy choices (particularly Harry Osborn and Peter's mysterious parents), but I just really love this version of Peter and Gwen as characters so much more than any other film's Peter Parker and his love interests. ASM's Peter feels more real since he feels less cartoonish like how Tom and Tobey hammed up the "aw shucks" pureheart/goofball routine. Andrew played the character with moments of humor and heart too but it felt more realistic to me.
Gwen and Peter actually have time devoted to showing why they love each other. It helps that they support each other's goals and have cute moments together. I love the Raimi movies, but the romance is 90% pining and not understanding each other. The MCU Peter and Michelle develop a relationship between movies and we only see fragments of the chemistry which is kind of a shame. With Gwen though she felt more like his partner in fighting crime. Her and Peter's dynamic is what makes my opinion so high of the movies cause Andrew and Emma in those roles were great.
I think Spider-Man 1 is the only movie when you can see why Peter and MJ want to be together. The relationship is built slowly and it feels more realistic. Here they just like each other from the beginning of the movie, there’s no build up, they just look…cute together ?
@@Andyfierd Both movies have the starting point of Peter liking the girl before the events of the movie. With Peter and Gwen, I think that him stopping Flash from bullying the underclassman was her first real impression of him. And it showed that both will stand up against unfairness even if it goes against the status quo, since Gwen told Flash if he didn't stop she would stop tutoring him. So it was a mutual crush, based on having traits in common rather than just living in close proximity.
@@Nightman221k it seems like not enough for me, the movie just wants to make them a couple and you have to buy it. The chemistry helps, sure, but I always thought that something was a little bit artificial. In Spider-Man 1 they aren’t together cause they live next to each other, the movie shows how Peter was the only one that actually cared about MJ’s real life and passions, accepting her for who she was until he finally confessed his love at the hospital with words she wasn’t used to hear.
The Webb-verse ASM films have the best romance of Peter and "his MJ" which was a Gwen.
MCU SM kinda wasted MCU Peter and MJ. Homecoming, MJ is kept hidden as a surprise. FFH, they finally start developing. NWH, it's already over before it began.
@@AndyfierdTo be fair Mary Jane and the rainy movies was not Mary. Jane from the comics really. She always had to be saved 24/7 And was just a bad girlfriend to Peter granted. Peter didn't mess up kissing Gwen, but both of them were not right for each other and that continuity
I'm pretty sure the connection between Conners and Peter is suppose to Conners being Richard's partner. Making him feel like he's the closet thing he has to getting his father back.
This movie is something I wish I never revisited cause I used to like it a lot when I was 10, but recently rewatched it with friends nearly a decade later and it was a genuine snore fest
I really liked this movie and the second one yes i know the second one wasnt the best but i can look past the flaws, yes the first one may have some issues but nothings perfect i do feel like love and passion went into making the film, Andrew gave it his all and i respect him for that its easy when us as the audience look at things compared to the people involved in making the product
The second one is an abomination.
Unpopular Opinion: When I Think Of Spider-Man, I Do Not Think Of Andrew Garfield (Unless If It's In A Ultimate Comics), I Think Of Tobey Maguire.
But For Real, Andrew Isn't A Bad Spider-Man, It's Just The Huge Problem With His Spider-Man Is The Writing Of His Films.
Wtf do you mean by unpopular?
Raimi movies (except 3) are regraded as the best spider-man movies by most of the people
Andrew Garfield is the worst spiderman (live action)
The whole point of the parents plot is to give Peter another layer as a character of a man angry at the world for the loss of his father(s) (plural), to the point where chasing what he thought he had lost led him down the wrong path. It’s a constant motif in the film and I don’t understand how like every critic bar a few misses or purposefully ignores it 💀. It’s quite literally the whole basis behind his relationship with dr Connors AND captain Stacy in the movie.
Also for the whole “he becomes spider man out of revenge” part, not only does this tie into the movies main themes (he doesn’t become spider man until the bridge scene which tied back to the fatherhood motif and learning to make sure others don’t go through the pain he did instead of enacting revenge) but it’s also the exact same reason some of the other most popular iterations of the character don the suit. Only difference is this movie is a bit less subtle about it.
I rewatched ASM 1 and 2 a few weeks back. I think they're great. And I actually saw all the flaws you listed. I grew up on Raimi's Spidey, but I still like these movies. Might be shocking, but my favourite Spidey movie is actually ASM2. Which is nuts, because I know it's objectively not a good movie, but the Peter's and Gwen's relationship is everything.
the spiderman revenge arc ends when he catches the little boy on the bridge. clearly in that moment when he decides to help the kid instead of chase the lizard, he also decides wht is more important and the themes of power and responsibility come back into play here 🤷🏽♀️
The reason Peter and Gwen have such good chemistry is because, Iirc, Garfield and Stone were actually dating at the time. So, it's not the writing that sold us on them in the first half, but their performances instead. Sometimes I wonder how enjoyable they'd have been to watch if Gwen was played by someone Garfield didn't already have chemistry with to begin with.
Idk dude. I think I’d pick chocolate milk over responsibility.
They could so easily fix the revenge thing and really use it to help solidify Peters full transformation into Spider-Man. Imagine he catches Bens killer, he's ready to kill this guy so easily, remembers Bens words and then gives him to the police, still satisfying his revenge need and even giving him a reason to stop being spidey, until the dinner with Captain Stacey. The argument happens as normal except there's some more give and take with Peter going "well he caught my uncles killer, I think that's a good thing" trying to justify his own antics while making a legitimate case for a good Samaritan defense of spidey. Captain would respond with something like "yeah sure, and I'm happy he did, but so many other dudes got released because this guy went around screwing up our investigations and making things inadmissible in court" causing peter to reconsider has past actions and worry if he did make the right choice, until the bridge scene where he fully embraces bens words and the ideal of the good Samaritan hero. Maybe later he goes to captain Stacey again wanting to learn more about law enforcement to enhance spideys rep and effectiveness while also finding a pseudo father figure in Stacey. It also gives reason to make Stacey figure out he's spidey, and maybe if they get close enough it makes the end where he trust Pete to stop lizard more satisfying and especially in his death. Wouldn't it hit harder if Pete had great admiration and respect for Stacey and even a bond with him in the movie, only to then finally be able to share his secret with him just in time for his death?
Wow, that's actually great criticism. In this comment section filled with blind hatred and people laughing at this movie just to do like everyone else, it's refreshing to see someone who actually brings up a good, well thought out point and offers an alternative. And the tone is not even insulting too.
Uncle Ben died for chocolate milk!! 😭😂😭 4:00
Peter is incomplete because of the death of these parents. Because of this death (and also because his only friend Harry abandoned him but since it's in tasm2, it doesn't count), Peter isolated himself from the others and logically became selfish (even though we feel that he has a good side represented by the scene where he saves the boy intimidated by Flash). Curt is in the same situation: because of his feeling of being incomplete due to his disability, he became obsessed with research and made a pact with the devil with Oscorp (while we feel that he has a philanthropic purpose but he got lost)
The attaché case of Peter's father represents a Pandora's box for the characters: instead of solving their problems as they believe, it will aggravate them. Peter believes that by knowing the reason why these parents abandoned him and by continuing his father's research, he will become complete when in fact no, he will neglect those who raised him causing Uncle Ben's death;
Curt believes that the lizard formula will allow all disabled people including him to get better, while in fact, Oscorp will steal his product to help Norman Osborn and that he himself will become a monster not caring about human life. Instead of questioning each other, the two will continue in their self-destructive ways:
Peter is going on a quest for revenge and Curt is going to want to turn the population of NY into lizards.
Except that only one thing separates the two men: Curt is alone while Peter is not. .
Gwen, who saw her good side when he defended the boy is gradually falling in love with him, Aunt May sees that her nephew is in crisis and is trying to help him and of course, Captain Stacy, who in the dinner scene, makes Peter aware of these mistakes and the consequences they can have. His quest for revenge motivated by his suffering made him move away from the ideal of his father and his uncle. So Peter changes from that moment on: he really opens up to Gwen as he had never opened up to anyone since his father's death and then helps innocent people. Here are the two things that make Peter complete: Gwen but also being Spiderman, helping others. That's why he doesn't go back in his quest for revenge after the breakup: it wasn't Gwen who motivated him to become better, it was by becoming better that he managed to get into a relationship with Gwen.
The Amazing Spiderman 2 has a totally different story: where in the 1st, Peter only made bad choices and took the consequences in his face here, he only makes good choices which despite everything, also have negative consequences. He saves Max and tells him that he is important, Max becomes obsessed with Spiderman. He tries to prevent Max from killing people in Times Square, Max feels betrayed and becomes Electro. He does not give his blood to Harry who is his friend so as not to create a second lizard, Harry injects himself with a spider serum and becomes nasty. Peter separates from Gwen so as not to put her in danger, there is no point, their love is too strong, they get back together for a few moments and then she dies killed by the Green Jester. So Spider Man appears as a modern Sisyphus: despite all these efforts to protect everyone, he does not succeed and the stone falls.
Because the life of a superhero is hard. But the film, instead of staying on this negative message, makes us understand thanks to the Rhino scene that even if it's hard, there are reasons to struggle. Spiderman inspired this kid to do the right thing and that's what a hero is for.
The message of the film is therefore to say that despite all the suffering, the consequences that super heroism can garner, we must not give up.
@@monstergeek1613sucks ppl miss this
@@whateverwhatever4476 While these are the same people who love Spider-Man No Way Home and its deluge of fan service and who say "it's a real shame, Andrew is a really good actor, if only the tasm script had been better" then that the nwh scenario is a thousand times more catastrophic and incoherent
It's pretty much obvious that you're gonna review the second movie too, so I ask you this: Are you planning on reviewing the Tom Holland Spider-Man movies as well?
Can we not just fucking enjoy a Spider-Man movie without people whining and crying about it being bad?
I didn't like the relationship between this Peter, Uncle Ben, and Aunt May. In Toby's version, they all genuinely cared, loved, and put eachother before the other person. Aunt May was compassionate and forgiving even after Peter's confession. She always grounds him in hope and sacrifice. In this version, Aunt May just wants her organic milk and was thankful when she got it in the end. Toby's Peter always had a loved one encourage him, lift him up, and keep him honest and good. That resonates so much with me as a 47 year old now. We all need that. Even Superheroes.
TASM1 Rebuttal
Given it’s been a… while since this video was made, I’m not sure you’ll see this comment, but I did want to respond to a few of the talking points you had.
Uncle Ben’s Murder: I’ll admit the “how dare you” line from Ben feels oddly-placed, when previous scenes have implied that Richard was an irresponsible person to leave their son in Ben and May’s hands, but compared to the Raimi films I feel like there’s a more tragic throughline between Peter storming out on Ben in a harsh manner, and Ben being shot.
There isn’t a whole lot of reason why Ben would want to stop the thief, other than a shopowner just yelling to “stop” the guy, but I think it’s much sadder that Ben went out to try to apologize and make amends with Peter before he got shot, whereas in the original films it just sort of “happened” off-screen.
Spider-Man’s Change of Heart: It certainly wouldn’t have hurt to have had a scene later where Spidey finds the thief and takes a moral high road, but I think you skipped over a really important scene directly after the dinner at Stacey’s (when Peter gets chewed out by Capt. George for how Spidey is only doing his work out of a vendetta). The bridge attack with the Lizard is a moment when Peter has to put stopping a bad guy on hold to rescue folks from a burning car, and in the process of taking the time to present a “friendly” face to the captive child in the car, pulling him out of there, and using his webs + super-strength to make it back to the bridge, it provides him the first opportunity to showcase his skills in saving people.
The scene directly afterwards, with Peter looking back on his mask at home, I think really shows how Peter has a crisis of purpose from that moment, deciding to put the vendetta behind him because the threat of the Lizard (and the people he puts in danger) have become more important than just himself. In a way, moving on from his uncle’s killer is a good reflection of that growth, even if the guy IS still dangerous in the city.
The Lizard: …okay, in hindsight, there should have been more scenes with Ifans to reflect his spiral into the insane plot he works on later, BUUUT I do think most of his early scenes do a good job of showing a bitterness towards the loss of his arm, and how he feels a bit “lesser” because of it. Whereas Oscorp’s representatives are simply trying to rush the product out to save their CEO, I could argue Connors is trying to experiment on the DNA sample out of a misguided sense that he’s going to truly “help” people like himself, who hate their own imperfections, despite the serum screwing with his brain to make him go down this path.
I wish there were more moments about him lashing out at Peter for Richard’s “irresponsibility” in leaving their shared project early, or to hint that he wants to fix others with the serum, but what can you do.
It’s not perfect, but TASM1 is my favorite (live-action) Spider-Man movie. I think it’s got great action scenes, some really touching emotional moments, a compelling take on a more emotionally volatile Spider-Man, a lot of things I don’t find in later offerings. Your video definitely opened my eyes to some flaws in the writing, despite that.
Its such an oversimplification to say Ben died for "chocolate milk". He didnt die for that, he died because peter was denied the milk by a douchebag clerk and so when he left the guy behind him took moneout of the drawer and threw peter his milk. BUT. When the douchebag clerk asks for help peter turns the clerks words on him, "its not my policy." The robber runs away with free beer and maybe $100 but in running away he trips and a gun flies out in front of Ben who is looking for Peter. Hearing shouting "somebody stop that guy" in the background, Ben jumps to take the gun because he doesnt know why the man is running, in which the harmless robber turns into a murdered when he tryies to take his gun, he fires into Ben's chest and runs away. This teaches Peter that if he wouldve done the right thing, although petty theft is seemingly harmless, could save a life. It really infuriates me that you keep going back to the "chocolate milk" argument. I really love this movie and i grew up with it just as much as the raimi movies.
What he actually means is that the chocolate milk is more or less how this moment connects with Peter, which is what matters here.
Did you somehow miss the annotation at 4:03
For me it was just ok, typical blockbuster superhero movie. Still far better than both Venoms, X-man Dark Phoenix, New Mutants, Cpt Marvel, Black Panther, Antman and many more.
yeah at least it had a soul...
The only MCU movies I really liked were Antman, Black Panther, Iron Man and Hulk. It’s a very weird selection.
@@fionn_mac_ribs It's alright, to each his own. :) The only ones I liked were The Winter Soldier, 1st Dr Strange and Spiderman: Homecoming
RIP James Horner
He's with peter's parents now!
Can’t wait to see your reaction to the Home/MCU movies
I im glad to hear someone who isnt gaslighting themself into Liking this movie because they liked Garfield in No Way Home
I hate how The Amazing Spider-Man is unnecessarily cruel to Peter. In the 2000's movies, Uncle Ben died because of Peter's actions, thus leading him to learn that "with great powers, come great responsibilities." In the Amazing one, Uncle Ben dies because he sees a gun coming out of the pocket of this guy that tripped and immediately jumps at it, when he had absolutely no way of knowing whether that guy was a criminal or just a civilian! He died for nothing, and the movie even forgets that he did after the halfway mark!
Edit: I'm so glad you talked about the robber being a bro to Peter. That's something I rarely, if ever, see anyone talking about in these reviews. The guy had a gun, Peter was just finding out about his powers, he was in a mentally vulnerable state, he just tried to do charity before buying the chocolate milk and the clerk was a jerk to him, and as a normal teenager at that point, it wasn't his responsibility to stop a criminal! At that time, he was just a kid tryin to cool down, who ended up at the wrong place, at the wrong time.
There's a reason I've been referring to these films as "the allegedly amazing Spiderman" for ages now
Go and watch the video, "The Sincerity of Sam Raimi's Spiderman. " That video is a brilliant commentary on why that Spiderman and storytelling arc through 3 movies are superior to this one. Thank me later.
I love tasm 1
With great power comes great responsibility vs chocolate milk!! 💀💀💀
7:21 ''I want to see an actual conclusion to this (revenge) arc''. Did you skipped the whole bridge scene?
500 DAYS OF GWEN
Damn, dude, you're really pumpin' these out lately! Kudos for all the hard work you're putting in!
I really liked this movie, so much that I had dreams where I had web shooters and could swing in a realistic manner
Which is why it pisses me off knowing how all this potential was wasted because of all the interference
I use to think the same about this movie. I never hated it but just wasn't a fan. But my opinion has grew on it massively this year
I don't have an issue with the chocolate milk part because of how I related to peter wanting to get revenge with the guy that couldn't spare 2 cents (which is so little and so pedantic)
I literally have no idea what he said at 13:40, couldn't hear it even with my ear pressed against the speaker.
“Those are the best kind.”
Something about " yeah but those are the best kind"
@@VictorADino Oh, that makes sense. Thanks
When I saw this in theaters, the chocolate milk point stuck out to me too. It was so dumb and it was all downhill from here
"Raimi's films handled the Uncle Ben death better"...👏👏👏
Why is that?
Probably because they pulled it right from the comics...
That's what the fans want...
The stories are there... they are already written... just film the comics...
That's what we want to see... stop reinventing characters and rewriting stories.
Maybe if the MCU did that they'd be able to produce a good movie with Comic Accurate Characters 🤔
The 1st movie wus at best incredibly meh to me HOWEVER THE 2ND 1 HAS GRINDED MY GEARS EVER SINCE I SAW IT WHEN I WAS YOUNGER. But I think this Peter has gotten a slightly overly bad wrap since while not my fav he's pretty cool to me
The fact that people are still looking for ways to hate this movie in 2022 baffles me. So many of the "problems" or "issues" here can be summarized as nitpicks that can easily be explained. "the revenge plotline was dropped". Yeah, obviously, because he no longer cares when he realizes it's not the right thing to do. Even tries to dismiss the dinner scene, the most pivotal moment in the movie for Peter's character, as minor and not a good way to drop the revenge plotline. Wow. "He has no relation to Peter". First off, I find it a tiny bit silly to think EVERY villain should have a deep connection to the main character. It's better when there is a connection, but still. Second, the whole movie is a bout Peter looking for a father figure. Heck, the opening scene establishes this theme by being a metaphor of LOOKING FOR HIS DAD. If you can analyze and nitpick a movie enough to find all these things, then explain to me why you can't even figure out that the connection between him and Connors is that he sees him as the father he never had. I swear some youtubers do their best to pretend like they analyze the movie and give it a genuine shot but they don't. "uncle Ben getting mad over this is silly". How about the fact that Peter broke the basketball backboard HOURS before this happens. And Ben is even more insulted when he realizes Peter hung up on him on purpose. He's not mad over the fact that May had to walk alone, he's mad over Peter not keeping a promise. I could go on and on. Not understanding the Lizard's plan too? Seriously? The guy's a scientist who wishes to help people. He sees turning everyone into giant lizards as a way to make everyone stronger and save them from disabilities and- God, am I really explaining stuff that is directly explained in the movie with an inner monologue by the villain himself?
I can't take this seriously, I'm sorry. Either your standards are enormously high for everything so anything that's decent or "good" turns into "bador you did not give this movie a fair chance at all, IMO. I don't hate you at all, I'm just disappointed.
Already stopped reading when you describe the issues as "nitpicks". You're just deflecting huge chunks of the video.
@@lordraiden7397 You see, you should at least finish the sentence since I describe them as "nitpicks that can easily be explained". I'm not deflecting a huge part, I get into it and explain why those "issues" aren't really issues and mostly just him looking for problems where there aren't any.
I like this comment, almost every complaint of the movie had a reason as to why it happens, and can be explained in comics. People say he isn’t realistic. But he’s actually the most realistic spiderman we have
@@vogue-ish8638 oh he's DEFINETELY the most realistic, no debate here. People who think a super-powered orphan who feels guilty about the loss of his only father figure WOULDN'T be a vengence-ridden vigilante trying to track down his killer are kind of funny to me tbh.
@@jokx4409 Yea this video sucks I had to stop 5 minutes in. This is just a poor attempt to have an excuse to go through the whole movie intentionally misunderstanding it to pad his video’s content, and increase watch time.
Like if you know shit about Uncle Ben, he’s a blue collar guy with hard morals and values. Him stopping a robber is pretty on brand even if he’s an old man.
Even him using the responsibility lines is normal character interaction… Peter let his 50+ y/o aunt walk the streets of NY alone at night. Not to mention the earlier acts of disobedience, it probably looks like rebellion to Ben. Video is hot garbage
TASM was my first spiderman movie I loved it when I was younger even if it was bad
I watched the amazing Spider-Man movies for the first time last year. I did not enjoy them at all!! They felt like a copy and paste from Sam Raimi movies. I blame the studio for doing that… Andrew Garfield different deserved better!!
I still like this movie even though it isn’t great. It’s a solidly alright movie. Maybe that’s because of the insanely high value I place on chocolate milk though
I’ve always really liked these movies. They are just fun for me to watch
What is probably my biggest issue with this movie is the amount of time Peter spends trying to find and punish the murderer rather than himself. When he finds out that Uncle Ben died because HE let the thief go, the target of his anger should shift from the thief to himself. That's the entire point of Spider-Man's character. Here, he finds out about the tragic coincidence immediately after the murder, but STILL keeps pursuing the thief, for like WEEKS, with a clearly homicidal rage. And his shift to heroism comes from saving some random kid. Like, what? Why? Why is Uncle Ben even there in the first place? The plot would have worked the same if Peter had simply begun to beat up bullies and criminals out of spite - having been bullied himself - only to be turned to heroism by the experience of saving the kid. The death of Uncle Ben and the twist of fate about the murderer's identity are completely useless.
The whole “not choice, responsibility scene” is ripped straight from the Ultimate Spider-Man comics, nearly word for word. The difference is that Peter had done some shitty stuff before Uncle Ben’s speech.
He had been skipping school, he accidentally knocked out a bully at school, he smashed a desk in the middle of class, he broke Flash’s hand instead of just humiliating him, his grades had been dropping.
When May and Ben confronted Peter about what had been happening, he snapped at them, stormed off and went to a party. Ben found him there and then gave him the speech. Peter had been a bonafide ass throughout the comic, warranting such an extreme response.
I rewatched the first 30min of TASM last night and had to turn it off lol I came here to verify that I’m not just crazy/cynical
The fact that the search for Ben’s killer is dropped is not a problem with the movie. It happens because of Peter’s character development, realizing that using his powers for revenge is pointless.
I do think Uncle Ben's reaction is warranted, something could've happened to Aunt May
Love Andrew Garfield. I love Emma Stone. Everything else sucks
And that is all SONY's FAULT
My idea for an amazing Spider-Man 3 is him trying to win back the trust of NYC after years of being a vigilante who pulls no punches culminating in a showdown with Ben's Killer and forcing him into the same position he just talked another Peter Parker out of....
I never thought it was that bad but at the same time I have never rewatched it which says a lot
I still really want a TASM3
This movie felt forced into existence because of Sam Raimi's falling out with Sony and Avi Arad.
if you hated amazing spiderman 1...Oh boy, the second one will make you burn of hate
Gotta super disagree with your point about Ben being upset at Peter. Keep in mind Peter was already sort of in trouble for the basketball incident with Flash, and on top of that Peter didn’t just forget milk and eggs…he forgot to help his Aunt get home. At night. In Superhero movie New York, where it might as well be Chicago or Detroit. Yes Ben could’ve listened, but it seems silly not to understand Ben’s frustration. Not to mention obvious tension they have with his frustration about his parents and his sense of abandonment. And I disagree about Ben’s killer. It doesn’t bother me that he never catches him, because the reality is in terms of the story, he doesn’t have to. While I don’t like Ben’s death has less to do with Peter’s actions and more to do with just bad luck, I don’t think Peter HAS to catch the random blonde tattooed murderer in New York City. Unless Peter got stupid lucky, he’s not going to find the guy, and hunting him isn’t heroic. It’s a different take, but not a bad one. Doesn’t feel like the movie forgot, it felt intentionally let go.
When it first came out I really liked it better than the orginal though I was like 9 but they modernized Peter too much I like what they did with spider man though and I actually enjoy it even though the raimi trilogy is better besides 3 but tasm 2 is just as bad as 3 is prolly worse which ruined the whole remake
They should have focused much more on Connors becoming Lizard slowly throughout the movie. They do a fine enough job to set up the character of Connors and why he would use himself as a test subject, but once he becomes the Lizard he immediately goes "holy shit, lizards are so cool, wish they were the next step in human evolution". Actually having him slowly loosing his sanity while still trying, or beliving, to do good would have made him much more sympathetic.
On a side note, i always felt bad about Andrew Garfield. He got so much hate between this movie and the second because fans still weren't over Spider-Man 4's cancellation, while he actually did a great job with what he was given. At least now he has a really solid movie career under his belt a
My feeling on the different Spider-Man series:
-Tobey: Great Peter Parker, mediocre Spider-Man; very good at being a downtrodden dweeb for whom everything goes wrong, great personal emotional core, but not particularly witty or quippy or willing to keep things light and fun during action scenes. The overwrought puberty metaphor and extraordinarily messy third film are big problems for me.
-Andrew: Mediocre Peter Parker, great Spider-Man; fun, quippy, smart science hero who is very cool in the suit, but painfully misses the vital notion that Peter Parker shouldn't be cool. The confused plotting and attempts to keep the Amazing movies from too closely resembling ideas from the Raimi films keep things from making sense a lot of the time.
-Tom: Great Peter Parker, great Spider-Man; fun and quippy in the suit with great action scenes and properly scaled threats plus a relationship with a broader story and character set, plus Peter Parker out of the suit is a schlubby kid who kind of doesn't know what he's doing at all but is still very smart and capable. The only major problem I have with MCU Spidey is that sometimes the scale gets too big to stay grounded, resulting in plots that make him feel a little too charmed and invulnerable, but I don't mind that so much since I like big ensemble superhero stories. Also he's weirdly young - largely in line with other popular contemporary portrayals of the character, but I still don't love it.
And of course Miles Morales is just the best, because Spider-Verse got him right the first time and ran with it.
I really like the first half of this movie. But once Curt becomes the Lizard, that’s where I turn off the tv.
I remember liking the sequel more than the first one, but I also don't remember much about either movie anymore. Spiderman 3 was still better than both lol
check out"superhero movie"it not only predicted This scene, but parodied batman's origin to boot!🤭🤣
No
@@randomcharacter6501Why?
which scene?
@@pablosilva6932Didn't I mention őt above?
thought this one was alright, much better than TASM 2
The production look rushed as well and I guess they were in a hurry in not losing their rights on Spider-Man to Marvel….
the revenge plot was adressed
IN the freaking tumblr page
I also liked the beginning scenes with Peter getting his powers. And it has some cool visuals throughout but honestly the film feels so… bland. The Lizard design could have been better and the action scenes, while not bad, were nothing special.
I actually don’t mind the first movie but the parents stuff if pretty bad also I love andrews and Emma stones acting just bad writing
Ben Parker didn’t die because of Peter’s chocolate milk he got himself killed by stupidly trying to grab the gun after the thief tripped. Something he should never have done in the first place.
It was cringe
The movies trash cope
Just watched part 2 yesterday for the first time
I watched it on Netflix... The movie feels extremely long.
I like this movie okay, it’s got a lot of issues, but the ones that really stick out to me and drag it down are Uncle Ben’s goofy death scene, and the Lizard being a very cartoony, dumb villain in what is supposed to be a more realistic take on a Spider-man story. I still think there’s enough good stuff here to make it decent movie. I like it more than Spider-man 3 and Far From Home at least.
The reason why the original trilogy and TASM1 were memorable, was because of the producer LAURA ZISKIN
It was because of her and her husband (the screenwriter Alvin Sargent) that the movies had depth
She was the only one capable to tell AVI ARAD when to back off
Unfortunately, she died in 2011, during the production of TASM1
Without her, there was no one to stop Arad from destroying the franchise
Spiderman was nothing without her
The raimi trilogy has comic book spirit, This is the typical"gritty reboot"where people wanna prove it's cool to be into This sort of stuff, when it actually does the opposite!
@@erikbihari3625 It could've worked if it was less mean-spirited and had a more realistic villain than The Lizard
@@Zombiesnyder13Remember breaking bad when gustav fringe walks out with half his face blown off and collapses? Same thing.
@@erikbihari3625 I don't get it
@@Zombiesnyder13 Just because it's realistic doesn't mean it's good
Too bad Andrew was a better Spider-Man than he was Peter Parker.....
If only him and Toby had a baby together....
Spiderman 2
Into The Spiderverse
NWH
Spiderman 1
Spiderman 3
Far From Home
Homecoming
Tasm 1
Tasm 2
The correct ranking.
Though I’d move 3 to last place.
You did great explaining all your points thoroughly.
I am sooo looking forward to you tackling Into the Spider-Verse.
This will continue being the worst spider man for the rest of the century
The chocolate milk never beats the chocolate cake 😎
Interesting. I would concur this is a very flawed film, but I like it. For me, the acting sells the Ben and Peter scene and I can very much relate to that type of dynamic. I’m also surprised that you feel that the revenge plot wasn’t resolved satisfactorily. It felt to me like he learned and grew up.
I think part of what makes the revenge plot lack of resolution work is the overall tone of the film. It’s a much more grounded, bleaker film and in the real world we don’t get resolutions to emotional problems when we confront a criminal so to speak. Sometimes we do but often times we don’t. I get why you’re dissatisfied but I didn’t feel it.
I would 100% agree with you that narratively the movie really needed more work, it’s unified in tone & has compelling characters & has interesting-albeit underdeveloped themes-but narratively it is messy and too concerned with setting up the next film.
That's a big rat.
I think the only reason I didn't outright hate this movie when it came out was cause I thought Emma Stone looked really hot in it...
These movies are perfect what are you talking about?
Everyone hated these movies but then Spider-Man no way home came out and people started liking them cause Andrew Garfield was good in that movie
Nahh these movies are underrated, next
I thought the first amazing Spider-Man was alright. But it felt like a soulless sony project and I was still so mad they canceled Spider-Man 4 it left a sour taste in my mouth. Amazing Spider-Man 2 though, just plain bad
In my personal opinion the worst Spider-Man movie is Far from home. To me it failed the characters and didn't know what kind of message it wanted to tell.
i would die for a chocolate milk right now
thats what his uncle died for
Both the basketball scene and uncle Ben's death are super cringe
oh boy people are gonna be pissed lol
This movie is boring and forgettable on its own but the thing that really pisses me off is how absolutely ugly the design for the lizard is. They had one job in that regard, and it was to make a scary villain, and they made him look goofy as hell
Better than the sequel
Not better than raimi.
Keen for the next video's title lmfao
i hate it too