Is Spider-Man 3 really THAT bad?
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- Spider-Man 3 is the third Spider-Man movie.
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There is an alternative scene where ,instead of the butler telling Harry the truth about Norman, Harry finds an old broken picture of him Peter and MJ and instantly abandons his revenge in order to help them
It's in the editor's cut of the movie that came out on blu ray and streaming a couple of years ago
the only way to watch it in my opinion.
@@RushedAnimation I like that less than the theatrical cut. The only good new scene is the sandcastle one.
I personally think that having both would've been the best scenario
@@genyakozlov1316 hard disagree
That’s kinda lame too tbh
The sad truth is that Sam Raimi never planned to have Venom in the 3rd Spider Man movie, he wanted Sandman to be the main focus and save Venom for a 4th Spiderman movie that goes in much more depth.
It's the studio's fault of twists Sam Raimi's hand into cramming 2 movies into 1...
It's very unfortunate that they made him change spider-man 3 his idea was so much better and would have made the series so much better.
@@angello.o9 yeah, if Sam Raimi took his time he would have made an incredible Spiderman 4 with Venom and horror tones, remember he is a GOAT in horror
Sam Raimi hates Venom and he wanted Vulture in Spider-Man 4.
I think Avi Arad is the one to take the blame for the film's failure, which shows that executive meddling is one big pain in the rear.
Something funny i found was that eddie being in the church was because peter told him "you want forgiveness? Get religion" And my man actually took it to heart. 100000/10 writing
The bell scene also happened in the 90's Spiderman cartoon which I believe is where they got the idea from.
@@futureDreamer4 they did but that scene was actually from the comics
@@mandalorianhunter1 true
Bro i didn't even realize that how did i not connect the dots, and I've watched this movie over 100 times 💀💀
Nice catch
I think one thing that would’ve helped the movie out while also maintaining the push from Sony to include venom would be just to replace Eddie’s character with Harry.
Sure there’s a disconnect between the comics and the movie because now the guy that supposed to be the hob goblin is venom, but you could totally do a comparison of peter to harry and represent that with the rivalry of spiderman and venom.
Have Harry be ultimately consumed by his own hatred and revenge turning into a literal monster who doesn’t even think for himself anymore. The symbolism of Peter literally tearing off this negative version of himself that is clouding his judgment works well comparatively to someone unable to.
Hobgoblin in the original comics a completely different character to Harry’s new goblin
Oh you could have still goblin haunting harry even and even be more goblin themed venom. And work amazing freeing harry :(
Oh please you people are obsessed with Harry Osborn being Venom news flash Venkm wasn't even supposed to be in Spider-Man 3 period, it was suppose to be the Vulture but Sony shoehorned Venom in there.
@@marocat4749 No Harry Osborn as Venom is a overrated idea.
@@robertkenny1201 Jist if they had that forced, it could at least made it les bloated to for the sake of having it, atapt it as goblinsona
Say what you want about Spider-Man 3, but it easily has the best soundtrack of the trilogy.
Yep. Sandman's scene alone Slaps
A lot of people don't know Avi Arad ruined Sam's Spider-Man 3 trilogy putting a character fictional character that Sam doesn't no about he tried to make it work did not go well he wanted Sandman and Harry as main villains to the story
(Hate Blame Avi Arad)
Even after ruining everything
They gave AVI ARAD a big thank you in the credits of NO WAY HOME
And that's some BS that should've never happened.
FIRE ARAD ALREADY!!!!!!!
Yeah, W No Way Home.
I love Spiderman 3 for the mess that it is. There's something special for me about Tobey Maguire's portrayal of Peter Parker/Spiderman. It's definitely not a cinematic masterpiece but I enjoy the disjointed journey the movie takes me on every single time.
Same I also really like revenge of the sith
purely judging it on entertainment value i would consider it a cinematic masterpiece
It brings entertaining to the Internet even for the memes. None of the other spiderman films are as fun as these
I really enjoy Sam Raimis spider-man movies because of the nostalgia and just see how it all started. In my eyes they truly are a masterpiece :)
The symbiote and Venom was a decision made by the producers to increase appeal for the movie since they were so iconic to fans. Sam Rami has stated he didn't like adding Venom
For what we got it really wasn’t so bad
So it's the fans fault
@@MrREAPERsz not necessarily, it was producers trying to make the movie appeal to more viewers and fans. The fans did nothing wrong in this instance.
@@SilasSeiler It is still the fans' fault for being too entitled
@@nestorsifuentesaguirre2722 the fans didn’t ask for shit lol the execs and black suits forced it in
"He just happened to be in the church."
I mean, that's exactly where Peter told him to go.
Not exactly. He told him to get religion. He could have gone to any church, or religious sanctuary.
@@fightingmedialounge519 that's the closest church bruh
@@FazeRustyNuts where exactly are you getting that idea.
@@fightingmedialounge519 where exactly are you not getting that idea.
@@FazeRustyNuts the fact that it's never shown or implied and you're just making baseless assumptions.
It has its not so great moments but it was the only one from the trilogy that i saw in theartes i still enjoy it for what it is you can still see Sam's strong writing seeping through the cracks
Yas
A lot of people don't know Avi Arad ruined Sam's Spider-Man 3 trilogy he interfered Sam putting a fictional character Venom that Sam doesn't no about he doesn't care about and he tried to make it work it did not go well
(Hate Blame Avi Arad)
Favorite of the trilogy. The symbiote is fucking awesome. It might not be the tightest, but no movie with the sandman scene can be an outright bad movie. If nothing else it's inspired. I'll always remeber watching it for the first time with my dad and brothers. I grew up with the first 2 (it's half the reason I learned english). For everyone in my family, the 3rd one is the best. It always breaks my heart when people say it's awful, because more often than not they're just echoing this narrative that "it's the worst spiderman movie", and therefore it must be a bad movie. Fuck that. It's a good movie. Maybe not great, but damnit does it deliver some of the most iconic moments in a superhero movie, and it's a standout movie amongst the crowd.
Eh, kind of hard to claim people are echoing opinions when they go back and actually watch the film. Also your reasoning for why it's good are thanks to your own personal life.
I can agree. I just wish the symbiote didn't make him "emo" or bad. I understand for the story but look at the comics. It never did that until the 90's cartoon and then from there its all people see as the symbiote and it's so annoying. And when people hate on this movie, there are good reasons for that. But they take it far enough to make it seem like their blaming the director for it all when he tried his best with getting forced to add something he wasn't comfortable with adding in last second. But a lot of people also hate how Peter is more a cry baby in these. He shows really human emotions just like Mj here. But all I'm going to say is that these and Tom's are at least better then Garfields. No offense to him but how they did Peter Parker in the 1st ASM is just bad and not even the character really but then worse in the 2nd film. (Understandable with electro looking like he was from the ultimate spider-man series.)
They should have had Venom in a fourth movie instead. I'd also prefer if at some point it doesn't need its host anymore and kills Brock so we can get a purely monstrous crazy Venom experience.
That was apearently th plan, o reimi, not the studio.Alternatively harry as goblinvenom maybe.
@@marocat4749 Reimi wanted Vulture. He doesn't care for Venom as it was past his fav time of Spider-man. It was studios idea, and specifically Avi Arad, to push Venom at all.
>not as campy
>literally the movie with the most funny scenes
Not exactly what campy means.
It's funny in an ironic way
I believe that the reason Spiderman 3 disappointed so hard is that given that it's well known that Sam Rami & Sony were clashing over what to do with the movie when you actually look at the movie, you can tell these are two different movies clashed into one. Everything from the characters, scenes, & dialogues felt like two different ppl were tryna do their own versions and the final product suffered as a result.
Me personally, I understand the problems people have with this movie but I think Spiderman 3 is very overhated
Agreed
See, I really like the symbiote in Spidey 3. I think I'd have a lot of difficulty buying that peter would murder sandman after his arc in the first 2 films. It's very obvious his ego is possessing him, and that he's troubled by Sandman's identity, but the power of the symbiote is how it pushes peter over that edge to create the conflict, and also gives him the internal strength to overcome it. Honestly, without Venom in this movie, the Symbiote arc wouldn't be too dissimilar to the Symbiote arc in Spectacular Spider-man, which, IMHO was really good.
But the sole Venom that worked outside of Spectacular and the comics was the one from the 90s because nothing was forced on anyone and apparently there was no infighting
There may have been a legitimate reason that the Butler didn't tell Harry about the Norman's true cause of death earlier. Possibly because Norman asked him not to let Harry know he was the green goblin. You may recall this was literally the last request Norman uttered right before he died in the first move. Now he says this to Peter not the butler, and it appears Peter actually followed this request, as he did remove the green goblin suit prior returning Norman's body to his penthouse. And while we don't see Norman tell his butler this but it would be in line w/ what we know about Norman for such a request to have occurred or for the Butler to understand that Norman wouldn't want Harry to know this horrible truth about him. And only decided to tell Harry the about it after seeing him start to fall down the same self destructive spiral that Norman went through. But obviously such an explanation isn't presented by the movie so who know :P
Yeah, except we also don't know how long the butler knew about Norman's goblin persona, so that theory in and of itself doesn't have too much solid ground.
The original idea for the Butler was he supposed to be a figment of Harry’s imagination all this time.
I highly suggest watching the Editor's Cut. It's shorter. But they rearrange events and I think give the movie a much better flow.
as I get older and watch more reviews of this movie, I kind of feel obligated to things I didn't like about it myself... but i'm honestly struggling? it just appeals to my primordial lizard brain I guess. maybe i'm leaning too much into the suspension of disbelief. but i'm also a musician/producer so the score really stood out to me as well. the reveal of black suit peter is one of my favorite themes in the trilogy. danny elfman barely ever misses the mark
other things I liked about this movie: the birth of sandman sequence was really compelling to me, visually and emotionally. I also thought rosemary harris acted her ass off, especially in the birthday scene. for the most part they kept it tonally consistent, like yeah there was some wild and goofy stuff but it still felt connected to the other two movies. I think a big part of that is how well they captured the grit of NY
Growing up I loved this film so much, I knew every single line
The harry has amnesia and then remembers is strait from the comics and was almost the same. I found it to be pretty alright in the movie more like an actual part of the plot.
Not exactly in this fashion.
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I still love this as much as the 2nd and 1st. May not be as polished and consistent, but i can't really shake the feeling there were at least hitters and the value I still get from re-watching it. I love that it took itself seriously and build upon that more than the last two. It challenges peter's morality about what it really means to control that tempered darkness and how it will destroy you and your loved ones around you if you aren't careful enough (That's what I got from it)
My complaint to this day though, i wish they made a 2 part of spider-man 3. Like they can still have eddie brock and flesh out more of his character naturally as well as harry. Then by the 2nd part, they can all have the time to express eddie and peter's journey without it being too forced just for the sake of a big fight scene. I think that would make it a lot more personal and meaningful too. (I wouldn't mind waiting 3 or more years for it to be made if that were the case). Can't tell if its Sony or others involved in the movie that made that decision to push in everything.
3 may have flopped, but I still can't help but wish we got the 4th Raimi movie with Mysterio.
I would have taken that over Far from Home
The 3rd movie was the most successful but they never made a 4th one because they wanted to reboot it
It didn't flop, that was the highest grossing spider man movie until far from home came along
@@djordjekrsmanovic and they never made a 4th one because Sam Raimi couldn't get the script come together. Wish we got Spider Man 4
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What does the Symbiote add to the movie? Merchandising! Sam Raimi wanted to do the Sandman story only, but Studio medling led to Venom getting added cause he had become a popular part of Spider-Man lore. Which is probably why we got the whole Church scene that feels ripped out of the comics and the 90s cartoon. I remember in the cartoon that they established earlier that the symbiote was weak to loud sounds which is why he thinks of using the Church Bell later on. It's sad how this movie couldn't be what the director originally wanted it to be. But at least we got Bully Maguire memes to pull us through.
Wrong Vulture was supposed to show up in Spider-Man 3 and Vulture and Sandman were meant to break out of prison and get revenge on Spider-Man.
@@dericjames2018 Ahh my bad. Forgot that part. Thanks for correcting me
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When you consider all that was cut from the film, this could've been SO much greater. There were a number of Sandman scenes that were deleted from the final cut that would've fleshed out his character more and made his conflict meaningful. Even Venom could've been good but he had to be toned down because he was deemed too scary for kids.
I honestly love spider-man 3. Maybe some of it is nostalgia but regardless I always have fun with this movie. The first 2 are lightyears better but I still really like 3.
I feel like this would have worked better as 2 movies to fully flesh out everything. Maybe split Venom and Harry into separate movies with the Sandman being a carryover between the two.
It's like with Daredevil that came out close to the same time. There were under developed villains and unnecessary wasted time. Cut down the "cool" but meaningless stuff in order to better build characters. I don't remember the Kingpin type character much because he wasn't other than he killed [insert close family member] and this is so similar to Venom where he's the guy that tried to kill MJ and nothing else.
It's so sad how Sam Raimis ideas were just dismissed. The movie series would've worked so much better if they focused on Sand-man on the 3rd and focused on Venom for the fourth.
Venom was never meant to appear in the Raimi movies since he hates the character and Raimi wanted Vulture instead.
Insomniac Games on the other hand ensured their Venom feels organic even if we must wait for the coming autumn lol
Interesting perspective that you liked it in theaters but ended up disappointed by it later on. I had the reverse reaction. As someone who knew about the symbiote arc from the 90s Spider Man cartoon, I was really let down by the handling of Brock, Venom, the symbiote, and just how overstuffed the movie felt. And while a lot of these criticisms still rang true upon rewatch, I found myself not getting hung up so much about what my vision of the film should have been and just enjoying it for what it was, and from that perspective I was able to have fun with it. There were still quite a few great scenes and at the end of the day while it's easily the weakest of the trilogy, I still don't think it's as much of a quality drop as some perceive it to be. In fact I would still rate it higher than quite a few MCU films, so I don't think I would call it bad anymore, but it definitely should have been better than it was, especially with the source material it was tapping into.
Spider Man 3 was the only movie in the trilogy that I didn't see in theaters. I didn't even watch it until 2 years after it came out and I didn't really like it that much when I did finally get around to watching it. Just last year, I bought the entire trilogy on Blu-Ray and since I hadn't seen any of these movies in over a decade, I decided to rewatch them all and I was actually surprised to find that I actually like Spider Man 3 more now than I did back when I first watched it. It's still the weakest of the trilogy and it still has plenty of problems that are worthy of the criticism they get but, all in all, it's nowhere near as bad as a lot of people say it is.
I blame AVI ARAD for destroying Sam Raimi's ambition
He forced the inclusion of VENOM just so he could sell more toys
Agreed 100%
*Is that why you’re everywhere I go?*
@@Mr5ickness I have been a defender of Spider-Man 3
The Symbiote was great, as you said both personifying Peter's darkness in a visible way and allowing it to realistically progress at a fast pace in the movie. Also, its just plain creepy and I love that. Venom, otoh.....they should've either held off on that for a sequel or made Harry be Venom. Eddie Brock just clutters the movie too much.
Parker should of had the symbiote after harry’s amnesia
The reason venom as in this movie in the first place was because one of the producers wanted venom in it.
In 15 years people are going to be making "was Morbius REALLY that bad" type videos unironically
No
"Morbius is a misunderstood masterpiece" and "Why the Star Wars sequels are secretly genius" videos are gonna be a trend one day, mark my words
@@pablosilva6932 the last jedi is great
Spider-man 3 isn't nearly as bad as morbius
@@theirishpotato6588
The sequels suck hard and have always sucked hard all the way since Force Awakens.
They literally copy-pasted the originals but with characters no one liked enough to buy merch for and adding cringe everywhere.
I just watched it a few weeks ago and I thought it was actually good, just maybe that they should have given a bit more of development to the villains
I think they should of sort of had Venom earlier in the film but besides that its really good, that's all that matters to me myself and I. (it should have been a mystery who Venom was and then they revealed it at the end)
The black suit theme was pretty fire
You *really* should watch the Spiderman TAS(90-s show) segment about Venom. It's done so much better and so much more logical. Peter doesn't just happen to be near the symbiote, he gets it because of rescuing people from a spaceship, because it's an alien organism, so so it makes perfect sense. Brock doesn't just happen to be near Peter when he loses the suit, he's a journalist and was chasing a story, so it makes sense that he was close to Spiderman when Peter lost the suit. Plus Peter truly goes into a killing rage when he's in the symbiote(the voice actor does a great job at showing it).
The movie is just such a poor adaptation of the story, and it could had been done much better.
Insomniac's Spider Man 2 took pages from Spider Man TAS apparently even if we must wait for the release
God I hated the kiss scene! It should’ve never been re-created. ☹️
Couldn't harry just think the death by glider could have eailly been Spiderman using it to kill goblin. I always thought that revelation wasn't the most effective but maybe I misunderstood the scene
I thought Spider-Man 3 was just as good as the others when I was younger now rewatching this movie and it’s still as good as when I first watched it
In my opinion the films biggest sin is changing uncle Ben's murder. If Peter stopped the burglar he wouldn't have killed his uncle; that's Spiderman. Not his uncle somehow accidentally got shot or sth.
like what is so wrong with eddie ?? he beat tf outta spiderman how is he still not intimidating and why is his motivation unbelievable he's a competitive dude and peter out competed him for a job and embarassed him in the process and then he came into power (the symbiote) and seeked revenge thats so unbelievable and corny?? my only fault with the movie is venom shouldn't have died and 1 more movie with venom as the main villain should have been released
Honestly I love this movie (unironically)
Eddie with that pitch and tone sounds right to me.
well i personally loved the venom in this movie, what do you think of venom in the spectacular spiderman series?
That animated Venom is better in every damn way
It's a classic case of studio executives literally shitting in the stew pot.
Raimi didn't care about Venom either, you see. However, the executives wanted Venom because Venom is popular. So, rather than doing the right thing, and let Raimi finish his movie about Sandman, so that he could study Venom for a future film..... They forced him to shoehorn Eddie and the Symbiote in. That's why this stuff feels tacked on, because it was. It's still enjoyable, imho, but it could have been more. Venom would have done better as Spider-man 4, and they could have guaranteed an audience for it with a cliffhanger about the symbiote. Maybe still have Eddie in 3 as an introduction, so his shitty behavior and basic motivations, as a side character, but not a main antagonist. Delve deeper and flesh it out in 4, maybe taking a queue from TAS and using Shocker and Rhino as minor early on antagonists for 4.
Venom already looks superior in Spider Man PS5. Tom Hardy will likely be jealous
Spider-Man 3 was great and helps me with forgiving people who wronged me
Movie would've worked better as 2 parter.
Harry is called New Goblin, because he is a mix of main universe version where was a Green Goblin and the Ultimate universe version where he was the only Hobgoblin.
Venom WAS tagged on, because Sony studio wanted him in the movie, Raimi didn't want it yet. How Eddie got the costume is accurate, at least main universe. I love Venom (he is mine fav Marvel character, heck 1 of mine fav characters in general), don't like his movies.
The book version ad some extra things.
Personally I don't think it's as bad as it's made out to be, I actually like it because it does feel like it's staying true to this timeline and the quality of the film feels just like the other two!
I like how Harry's motivation was set up even though a dumb plotline was used only for it to lead to nothing since he gets his memory back anyways, I like the character arc Peter goes through now I do think it wasn't needed since he was all innocent in 1 and 2 so it felt wired and out of character but it is a listen for kids to learn.
Some people are first jerks but later learn truth and wrong to right so I think it's a good massage for kids and teens even if it's a little out of place from the first two movies and last but not least Eddie, Now he sucks when he's venom but before he becomes venom he is a great dirtbag like real dirtbags it works so well in this movie only when he becomes venom does his character fall down.
Do not uphold executive meddling
In defence the butler was promised not to tell Harry the truth
They pretty much took story from the 90s Spider-Man cartoon for the venom storyline lol. Also originally Rami wanted this to be a two part movie with this one ending with Peter getting the symbiote and more focused on harry Osbourne and sandman with the Osbourne storyline ending here and venom being much more developed in the next movie with the vulture and "vultress". Blame Avi Arad for this movie.
I just found out Sam wanted to focus on the Sandman and Harry is the new Goblin to the story but it was changed the Venom was forced in blame producer Avi Arad for is interferences he forced Venom in Sam said he doesn't no Venom Spider-Man 3 picture logo would have stayed red and not have black red like the first and second
And if you agree with me tell it to everyone else
The movie’s initial premise and development really was shaping to be great. To me it seems that the movie wrapped too fast once it established Venom as the antagonist… like they could’ve set up a Spider-Man 4 and they were told to close everything on 3…
I saw this movie the day it came out and I loved it.
This is actually one of the first movies I saw in theaters
Better than anything that came after.
Lmao
Nah, Tasm1 and the MCU movies are better than 3, why is this even a discussion?😂
No they're not.
@@ABCodeX
First example is passable but worse its just bait for women to swoon over a chad spiderman actor.
I cannot believe that this Parker is unpopular and nerdy, impossible yet it wants me to believe it. The villains are probably the weakest in this one. Just meh.
Second example has Spiderboy not Spiderman. The adventures of papa Ironman and Spiderlad. Plus the new Mary Jane actress cringe.
Aunt May is also cringe and steals lines that were Uncle Ben's, spiderboy is deeply afraid that his aunt(mommy) won't let him be a hero anymore.
The cringe friends are also cringe.
Its just a whole lot of cringe really when you remove all the non-spiderman parts. Might be stronger movies than the first example due to MCU funding/heroes but the first example has a better spiderman due to lacking the tons of cringe.
Either way both are inferior compared to the real spiderman Tobey even in 3. They didn't hit it out of the park but 3 can still at least beat out the others as both a spiderman story and being a good enough film. To be fair. if 3 was a reboot like the others with a new spiderman and not Tobey then the quality would probably end up between the other two with Tasm1 edging out. But with Tobey and his character's past character development it just can't be beat by the others.
@@darken2417 god this is so cringe. Go back to Reddit, your opinions are generic and trashy just like all those neckbeards who hate on new star wars cause they think rey is a mary sue
Yes, next video
Oh God. He’s doing the amazing spider man movies too? God speed Lowart
I've only watched 'Spider-Man 3' once and it was in the theaters. I personally hated the movie.
Blame hate Avi Arad he interfered Sam put Venom in Sam really doesn't know Venom a reason it wasn't handled well in the movie and the story I guess Sam was unhappy how he made Spider-Man 3 and he chose not to make Spider-Man 4 2011
If Sam just had creative control with Spider-Man 3 like he did with the first and second it would have been awesome then Sam would have made Spider-Man 4 2011
Sam wanted Sandman as the main villain with Harry Osborne Side Story finally being completed with his death but it was ruined by Avi arad hate blame him and there are still a lot of fans don't know it was him
what matters is whats in the movie not how long it is.
I didn't find the jazz club scene ruined the flow at all. I don't think it's that long, I think the tone is handled well. It's a bit chaotic, but I don't really mind. And no I don't even enjoy it in a funny or ironic way, I * do* think it's better written than the first two. Not just the MJ stuff. I thought the tone was an improvement. The dance did not take away from that for me. Peter being the way he was. It's just...kind of the point? he's lost it. I'm also not laughing at any Venom scene. Not to mention 3 has incredible fight scenes that made a lot more sense in some areas tbh, 2s contrivances were worse and 3 overall peak comedy, like when Peter starts bragging about how epic he is. 3 grown on me a lot with time. I think it's better than your making it out to be, but it's about perspective. I thought it was bad up until I started seeing a lot of flaws with the first two. So that might have something to do with it.
But it would have worked like a true charm had they followed the example of the 90s animated series. Nothing forced and taking their time
This sounds like it has great concepts but poor implementation. It's movies like Spiderman 3 which I wish got a remake, because it has potential which wasn't realized.
I honestly love symbiote and venom, but yeah it sucks that there was infighting between the director and producers
Raimi will likely be jealous of Insomniac Games because the company ensured their Venom was more organic to begin with
It isn't that bad
It aint bad
@@TheEmeraldBeast135 I kind of agree
I like the black suits in this movie
The Raimi Trilogy is still 1000x better than the 2 Marc Webb films and anything the MCU has produced...
Great video though and I respect your opinion 😊👍
I would rank both Marc Webb's TASM duology and Raimi's trilogy above the MCU's Spider Man trilogy. Tom Holland's only best Spider Man movie is No Way Home.
Spider Man 3 started out as a good movie. But the black Spiderman ruined it for me. The movie should've saved Venom for a 4th movie and kept Sandman and Hop Goblin as the only villains in Spider Man 3
Spider man ps5 will give us the Venom we all deserve
Spiderman 3 is much better than modern mcu films. I also think it’s a great film. While it does have its flaws people often admit it’s the one they’ve watched the most and the one they find the most memorable. (Probably bc of the memes)
I personally disagree. I think most modern MCU movies are better then Spider-Man 3, especially Movies like Guardians of the Galaxy 3. But yeah this movie is definitely better then Eternals.
I watched Spider-Man 3 about five or six years after it came out and I enjoyed it a LOT more than anyone would have had me believe. Was it great? No. Definitely not. But was it the worst thing ever like people were saying when it first came out? Also no.
Actually Vemon was always a goofball in the comics, if you watch @JaxBlade and @ComicTropes, he always the oddball this actually true to the character, - the lack of big muscles since Eddie was a buff dude in the comics. But ya this version of the character was kinda weak, that was until I watch a video about this version of this character from @ToonGrin that shows there's some I repeat some parts of the character from the comics that are in this version of Eddie, just not the muscles that's all. Also the reason he was at the church because in the comics he was about to well *mhmm* to put it likely, self game over, let's put it like that, thinking how spiderman and Peter fucked him over in his life and praying to God for forgiveness, because Eddie is Catholic, it just so happened that Peter was there getting the symbiot off his body using the church bell lound sounds to get it off. But, I can say one thing about this Vemon, he has a really cool never before seen design that combine his classic look from the comics and the spiderman web outlines that Peter was warring though out the movie, they really need to bring it back in some shape or form in the comics or in other media because this look is kind of fucking badass in my opinion, just saying.
Kind of pointless to bring up the comics when, half what you mentioned isn't here , and lowart soad he cares more about it working in the story he's experiencing rather than any comic accuracy.
@@fightingmedialounge519 yeah I know but it's helps a little to have some background info for Eddie and Vemon from the comics since lowart previous reference of the character is from spectacular spiderman and maybe he may some day check out other spiderman media like the 90's cartoon, where the the whole symbiote changing your personally into a jerk come from, not the comics, since retcon later in future story in the comics, which I hope lowart reads some day. But yeah your absolutely right about his lack of enjoyment of the movie without previous reference for the comics or other spiderman media for that matter. Thanks for the reply, my nigga, sorry for calling you a nigga I'm black if you can tell from the picture and that's the way how we usually greet people in my community, again sorry for calling you that, your really dude cool though for replying my comment, I agree with you on what you said, just helping a little bit with previous reference to others media that's all. And I hope you have a wonderful nice day n life, God bless you or if you don't believe in him, still have a wonderful nice day n life and be safe out there, peace from Keis.
@@keis93 it's fine, I'm back too. I just know that people tend to ignore lowart, or any reviewer, when they say that comic information isn't really going to change their view on adaptations of the material.
@@fightingmedialounge519 yeah I know these are the breaks, still thanks for your reply, dude be cool out there.
@@keis93 Well at least what Insomniac Games's Spider Man 2 is doing with Venom will be anyone's sanity relief for the disappointment that Raimi gave us. Gotta wait for the next autumn tho
Yes
I love it so much
I saw this in theaters and yeah it is not as good as the first two but I never thought it was as bad as people said it was and there are good things in it
But Grace is no 90s Venom. Sony was too pansy to follow the example of Spider Man TAS
Topher Grace Venom is god cbm character
I love Eddie in this movie
In ohter words F you Aavi arad for forcing venom
Thank God the Venom from Insomniac's Spider Man 2 felt organic and the game has yet to be released lol
@@nestorsifuentesaguirre2722 Yeah
@@nestorsifuentesaguirre2722 Yeah
If only the studio didn't force him to add Venom to the story against his wishes
Honestly, with the symbiote and Eddie Brock. Sam raimi didn't feel like he knew the character enough to be put into a movie. But avi Arad and Sony really pushed it on him because everyone loved venom and it will make good money. So if they didn't add venom, I can agree that it would've been better. But I still enjoy it for what it is. But I won't blame the director for the movie because he tried to understand the character but he didn't have a lot of time and it was forced onto him to be put in it.
Insomniac Games learned from Raimi's mistake it seems
Sam Rami even HATES part 3!!
it's peak i'm afraid
Nah, Spider-Man 2 is.
two goats
to me it was ok some people just looking for reason to dislike movies they have 0 reasons to dislike
The movie isn’t good lol
I generally put movies into 3 categories:
Interesting, fun and boring
As long as it's not purely the last one, I will enjoy it no matter how much of a mess it is lol
I can totally buy the emo dance. Peter Parker is a complete dork, I'd imagine this is what being cool looks like to him
I mean, they canned Spider-Man 4 over this despite Sam Raimi being ready to make another one and Spiderman 3 making plenty of money.
Raimi actually lost interest after Avi Arad's interference
I think this movie handled Sandman beautifully, it was kinda perfect... but very hard to appreciate with all the other chaos going on. The way it handled Harry was kinda baffling because there were so many moments that seemed like fantastic ideas until they did something cliche to ruin it. And then Eddie Brock is just evil Eric Foreman. In my opinion, this movie's biggest problem is by far the way they made Peter Parker so despicable and difficult to root for.
I think there was an easy way to fix Harry. They could have depicted Harry as faking his amnesia out of stress and a desire to have things return to normal, but then things slowly line up for him to take a cheap shot at Peter when MJ kisses him. It would have made him more of a direct foil to dark suit Spider-Man, and made his arc so much sadder. If there was no dumb "sir, the glider wounds" butler scene, then Harry is legitimately forgiving Peter for something he never knows he didn't do, by realizing he already forgave him once, when he pretended to forget what he thought Peter did to steal moments of friendship with him, free of the tragedy of losing "the only family he's got left". That makes his decision to help them anyway an even more powerful gesture, to make his eventual sacrifice a lot more thematically impactful and directly tie it to the ending the other characters take out of it. It would've made Harry the wisest character throughout the finale.
I made a fan edit of this movie, based on similar rationale to my fix for Harry. A better movie just falls into place from having the problem scenes removed, which makes me wonder if the original script looked something like this until the studio got their hands on it and added a bunch of little changes out of fear it would be too introspective for most audiences to grasp. Most of what I removed are just flimsy, cliche, surface level explanations for character motives, and with those gone I noticed a lot of the character motives naturally took on a different, more mature context.
Excuse me for rambling, I'm just eternally fascinated by how this movie turned out. It had everything it needed to be a phenomenal final installment to a perfect trilogy and it just didn't.
Spider-Man 3 > Spider-Man 2
I said what I said
If Sony greenlits SPIDER-MAN 4, they need to get rid of AVI ARAD
Or else it will be just another failure
Or let marvel studiosake the movie. And still kick avi's ass out of there
To be honest I always felt Sandman’s storyline was unnecessary. We were done with uncle Ben and we didn’t need to retcon the original killer. And I personally wanted Venom more. Harry was being built up and it should have just been him toying with Peter who gets the black suit. Then either have it become Venom halfway though or save him for a 4th film.
If we get Spider-Man 4! Spider-Man 3 would be filler for me.
I will say this i don't think Spider-Man 3 wasn't a bad movie even it was mess a lot of areas it wasn't terrible and plus this got even memed so hard and ill be honest this is my favorite sam raimi movie i even like it more than spider-man 2 but thats just my opinion
You should reconsider your tastes when so many behind the scenes dramas are revealed like when Arad shoved Venom on Raimi even if Raimi wanted to refuse
AVI ARAD is now gonna ruin BORDERLANDS and KRAVEN THE HUNTER
The same way he ruined this movie and TASM2
I bet he was part of moribus too
@@Mr5ickness he is
"Adjusted color and audio"
You mean *enhanced* color and audio?
Nah this movie go hard lol 😂 since i was a kid it went hard actually one of the best Adult Spider-Man stories
Biggest highlight of Spiderman 3 for me was the actress who played Gwen Stacy was drop dead gorgeous.
Best out of the rami trilogy
Spider-Man 3 is a weird one. I don't think it's close to the other 2 in terms of quality, and you can definitely tell that Sony and Raimi butted heads several times during production. Maybe it's the superhero fatigue of the last few years, but i can't help but look back at this movie and see at least someone who actually cared behind the camera, instead of just feeling like another lifeless product made in a factory. It's still a well directed movie, with an AMAZING soundtrack, the special effects still hold up well (especially considering more recent movies) and it still manages to have some great scenes here and there, particularly Sandman's birth.
Spider man 2002-2007