Revisiting The Last Jedi (and why it's alright)
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One plan. We needed one plan. Not make each movie based on the reaction of the last ones.
Yeetus Deletus I know, it hurts. It fucking hurts. I wish RJ just directed the whole thing because he clearly had better ideas than JJ, whose ideas were “copy” and “fanfic blende”
This
EmblemBlade9 very telling how the views on those two have shifted since ROS came out
Yes
TFA played it too safe, then in reaction TLJ played it too differently, then once again in reaction TROS played it too safe AND tried to give, like, every corner of the fandom something they wanted, like Rose-haters get her out, Reylo shippers get the kiss, Finn fans get fucking nothing, which is all levels of terrible decision making... I don't know if it's just me but I FEEL the tug of war between the creative visions while watching the triology, and it's honestly so disappointing.
Kind of funny how he initially said that he won't talk much about this movie anymore and he would revisit Infinity War, just to end up doing the opposite.
Ironically, there is only a finite amount of things one can say, about Infinity War, where as the Last Jedi will never have a *last* thing said about it.
No, you can pretty much say that about any movie.
He subverted our expectations ;)
Reality is often disappointing.
That was his mistake
What do you mean it's the only Star Wars movie to drop its name in the movie itself? Don't you remember when Luke gets his hand cut off by Darth Vader, he turns to face the camera, shrugs and goes "I guess the Empire Strikes Back!"
Then a laugh track plays along with the seinfeld theme. Credits roll.
@@cabig9838 made the start of Return of the Jedi real confusing
Or when Leía Says “Help Me Obi Wan Kenobi, you’re my A NEW HOPE”
"Begun, the ATTACK OF THE CLONES has."
Qui Gon and Obi Wan confronts darth maul on Naboo. Obi wan says “Master, who is that?” Then qui gon says “My young padawan, you don’t recognize him, he’s THE PHANTOM MENACE.”
Fun fact: Luke dying was not scripted. Mark Hamill actually created a Force hologram and became one with the living Force, and Rian Johnson thought it was incredible and kept it in the movie.
Bravo Vince
It *was* incredible.
Han's still smuggling, Leia's still generaling, and then there's Chunky, he's dead
DK! Chonky's dead!
This is the most underrated comment ever
Don’t forget about Macklunkey man still dead
True.
this comment right here!
That Finn sacrifice was the main thing that pissed me off, I was so stressed during that scene when I saw it the first time because I thought they genuinely had the balls to kill a main character in the second movie
Brendan Fitzpatrick but if they did that everyone would say it was just because people didn’t like rose
Viper 6172 if he made the "sacrifice" it would have been pointless because he was about to run into a GIANT METAL LASER CANNON so he would have died having done almost nothing to help
Brendan Fitzpatrick that would have been so much better than the waste of a character she is currently
Brendan Fitzpatrick imagine if rose was the spy and she learns that the resistance isn’t a complete evil force and at very last moment she saves finn from plasma and have her have a more serious attitude
Viper 6172 I hated that, but everything in the movie pissed me off. They put NO effort into the movie.
Honestly the best thing about the Last Jedi is that it largely did away with that weird "bloodlines are sacred" idea that's way too prevalent in a lot of fiction. Shame they re-introduced it.
Somehow the bloodline trope returned.
It’s honestly my favorite plot point in the film is the Rey Nobody
Yeah, I loved that in TLJ and hated when it came back in such a half-assed way.
Fans who would get upset about Rey being a nobody yet has such strong force powers, seem to forget that Anakin was a literal slave's child on a backwater(less) desert planet. He was born less than a nobody yet he was still the Chosen One. Dynasties have to start somewhere and usually its not in places you'd expect them to pop up.
@@TheFart100 Only problem is we don’t know about his father. So not quite the same argument.
"Save what we love and not fight what we hate" would've been a good arc for Finn if they gave him something about liberating the Stormtroopers and giving him a seething hatred for the first order.
The storm trooper defection plotline was so horribly wasted
Finn should have been the unlikely hero who stops a galactic war, and not just by blowing up the other side
@@DamnFineCupOfCoffee Absolutely
@@sylph8005 it really was. They could have used it to have Finn be this anti war pacifist, who only fights stormtroopers when he has to, since despite everything, he still considers them brothers. But nope, he just became a bigger and bigger simp for Rey
What we could’ve gotten: i must save my brothers from this ruthless war machine that has caused millions of deaths and will continue to do so until it’s stopped
What we got: “ReEeEyY!”
If they would’ve kept the Rey’s parents are nobody she just happens to be force sensitive, I think the Rey Skywalker moment would’ve had more impact and a better message of you’re not tied to your bloodline.
It could have also been something like Anakin, born from the force.
But yeah, I wish she was a nobody.
@@flamingoenthusiast2054 She was conceived like Anakin. Palpatine did some Sith mumbo jumbo to make Shmee pregnant with Anakin lol
@@SemiOmni314 that would still be better than what we had
Lol, yet another example of The Rise of Skywalker fucking up all 3 trilogies in one fell swoop.
Agreed
"Not everyone can become a great jedi; but a great jedi can come from anywhere."
- Anton Ego, Ratatouille 2007
As long as they train
Wamp Ratatouille
Ah yes, I totally remember him saying that!
"a great Jedi becomes a great Jedi because they feel like it one day with no struggle required"
-Rey
Agreed! Just like obiwan, or mace windu, or Kit fisto. All random people without families from random planets.
Rian must have missed that in the prequels.
“The Last Jedi is the first movie in Star Wars history to drop its own title in the film.”
Rogue One: Am I joke to you?
Me: Yup.
Kinda
Still, Rogue one felt really weak, I remember watching it in theatres expecting some sort of clever profound mind - blowing explanation as to why the film was named Rogue 1, and it just turns out it was a signal they used to fool the rebel base, it just feels so unessecary and boring a reason, unlike the Last jedi
@@fibby7069 I love the film, but I do agree, the name didn't really feel important when it's dropped in the film.
@@fibby7069 are gonna compare a good movie to a failure to understand the basic concept of what a Star Wars movie is about?
Luke’s line “no one is ever really gone” looking right in the eyes of carie fisher nearly made me cry
And then he hands her Han's ex's dice. What a troll move Luke. Best part was, he wasn't actually handing her anything!
*Force Projection...*
An image of pair of dice associated with a relationship of Hans with another woman
No wonder Leia threw them away
They should’ve just combined Rey and Finns story, have a stormtrooper who defects from the first orders whose sole mission is to find the family they lost when they were kidnapped, only to find out their parents sold them off to the first order for cash or something
Noa Balboa okay you're right
Wow that actually sounds really good
Finn's story arc in tlj should have been about his father.
Apply for a job at disney pls
We never needed another kid from a desert planet to become a Jedi, would’ve been cool to have a force sensitive, stormtrooper defect be the main character
You know what’s makes Phasma’s whole thing worse?
There was a deleted scene that actually gave Phasma some sort of character, something about her that made her more than just “generic boba fett looking general.”
Yeah seriously why did they take that scene out??
Also pretty sure her screen time across both movies is like 5 minutes so there's also that crap
The bulk of her character development comes from a novel where she's the villain protagonist.
My question is "why her" though ?
Is sad how disney has wasted the character material of captain phasma and completely threw the potential under the bus
She's such a great character outside of the movie, really got the shortest stick on this one
@@pizzatime7433 honestly yeah, but i guess we needed that terrible casino scene drag the entire movie through the dirt instead of one scene that gave a villain of this series actual character.
“Force voice chat” is the best way I have heard anyone describe Kylo and Rey’s little conversations across the galaxy.
I prefer MauLers 'Force Skype' personally
@@Yuni-is-Schrodingers-Fox Nah, there's no iconic sound effect to it, its too subtle sound wise like a voice chat. Besides, MauLer is cringe now, he has fallen into the crowd of creators obsessed with media being too "woke"
So I just wanted to say something, the Throne room fight. It was because Kylo killed Snoke. They witnessed Kylo committing essentially treason, so obviously they had to die. Rey was fighting because she thought Kylo was returning to the light due to his murder of Snoke.
Also Rey would’ve been killed if she didn’t fight
"The Empire was never goofy..."
Star Wars Rebels: *sweats nervously*
What about Resistance?
I’d say the Empire was more dignified in Rebels. Remember how towards the end of season 1 Tarkin executed the comic relief imperials and made a warning to remaining ones?
@@deathsdoor07 Isn't that the first order in there?
@@CheeseOfMasters You're right. I never watched the show.
Kyle Campbell have you even watched rebels? The empire are usually fools. Almost never gain a victory, generally incompetent, always ramble on about fear and how it will control people while merely killing their own commanders and lieutenants, and the inquisitors are weak as hell. The only threat on the show was Vader and at times thrawn, even though he constantly got screwed over by plot armor. Overall the show didn’t make the empire look very intimidating most of the time, even under Vader’s and thrawn rule.
"Treating your villains like a joke is a really bad idea."
Heinz Doofenshmirtz: *nervous sweating*
Joshua B Doofenshmirtz is a lot more intimidating than hux.
Yes,he is!
Somehow Doofenshmirtz is a better villain than nearly every single one in TLJ combined.
He would not be sweating because of his desweatinator.
To be fair, it’s a cartoon about kids that build a roller coaster in 2 hours, then again, to be fair, it’s a movie about space magic
Rían Johnson really said Finn and Poe had too much good chemistry so he proceeded to make two meaningless side stories instead
My mind is blown trying to make sense of that logic.
Righ?! It's magic to have two actors display that much organic chemistry with one another.
Johnson could have explored the dynamics of their friendship, teamwork- they could have offered a bit of buddy comedy road trip energy transporting together through space, helping different facets of the Resistance along the way..
That way, when one of them actually do get killed off (I'd probably save til the last movie) the audience would have such an emotional connection to the characters by that point.
Their subplots should have focused on what the first order is and why we’re here and Leia should have been ever present
The world building is not only terrible, it’s non existent. Cantobite feels like a whole separate universe: how long have these war profiteers been thriving and how is their currency valid?! Has the first order always had control of this and other neighboring planets? Did the republic allow slavery to happen?
@@shannonceleste5557This is why I say that we need a show focused on the sequels like they did with the Clone Wars. It could help flesh out the characters more.
Luke not going down to the planet actually kinda makes sense if you consider Kylo wanted to kill him. Him not going basically takes the satisfaction of killing Luke away from him, getting even more of a rise from Kylo.
It's the perfect way to humiliate Kylo Ren and show him directly how blind and reckless he is, that he was so caught up in proving he was correct that he didn't realize Luke wasn't even physically there. It's so good.
Not only that but allowing Ben to kill him like he did his father would only hurt Ben even more but luke prevents this
Except he not only dies anyway but he doesn’t pick up his balls and fucking face up to his own wrong doing
Luke should have attempted to apologize to Ben and attempt to explain himself
The fact that he says “No” when asked if he came to save Bens souls was just the worst
This is a regression for the character at best
@KRobinson-ko1ne he says no when kylo mockingly asks if he's there to save his soul bc Luke knows he cannot be the one to redeem Kylo just like how Obi-Wan could never be the one to make Vader change. Also he was there to save the Resistance and make Kylo feel as unbalanced as possible so he'd make rash decisions so mocking Kylo certainly worked.
Okay…
So Luke can redeem Darth Vader of all people but not a student that he actually considered killing momentarily?
No offense but this argument of yours doesn’t hold water. If Luke led Ben to believe he was plotting to kill him while he was already immersed in the force iteself then Luke is without debate at fault for corrupting him. Luke is more than responsible for Ben and saying “no” like so just shows regression at best.
I’d honestly argue that this is misrepresentation and given the themes that Rian seems to be gunning for I wouldn’t be surprised if at some point in filming he intended to misrepresent him
I mean it’s kind of obvious that Rian tried many different ideas on set only to run out of time and money and being forced to use what footage he has
*looks at comments section*
“Oh, I’m not brave enough for politics.”
Except politics have absolutely nothing to do with the Star Wars sequel trilogy
@@Sorcerer-SMC you sir have a massive brain
@@Sorcerer-SMC
It has no politics because the first order blew up the government in the force awakens
insert memorable username here No, Darth Vader threw politics into the reactor. Then it came back up like a clogged toilet.
@@somethingcool1533
He wasnt politics, he was the senate
"Shirtless Kylo Ren is what I'd expect from the LEGO adaptation."
My thoughts exactly.
Flash forward to the new Holiday Special and yeahhhh....
What new Holiday Special? The Guardians one? Because shirtless Chris Pratt happened in the first movie.
@@Gemnist98 No, the new Holiday Special on Disney+
Bandicoot sauce?
sexualization of the characters is not a new thing in star wars.
do you remember leia as a slave in return of the jedi? or the main protagonists of any mcu movie taking their shirt off for no reason? thats the industry buddy :(
but I gotta say: of all the ones that I mentioned before, the kylo one is the better cause it gives the character more humanity! there is a purpose for him to be without clothes, don't you guys think so?
When this movie first came out, I was firmly in the "this is amazing this is the best SW movie ever" camp, and i think my own personal "character arc" over the past several years has been learning to be reasonable and acknowledge all the things that are wrong with this film. Like, I think when I first watched it I was just completely starstruck with the cinematography and direction, and didn't want to admit that there are some very major flaws.
I just wish either JJ or Ryan could have directed the entire trilogy instead of splitting it between two directors.
I think Star Wars is the kind of franchise that's very "in the moment" but doesn't last quite as well in years following. I also revisited this a few years later and just thought it was decent, but I can't deny the initial hype ride I was on in the first couple of watches
@@WiloPolis03 same, totally agree, particularly for all the non-original-trilogy movies.
If JJ directed it, he would've turned the whole series into a butt ton of setups but with almost none to no resolution. That's why I think Rian should do it: his work on Knives Out was great, so three Star Wars movies may not be a problem
Edit: Speaking of which, recent news said that Rian was in fact going to have a trilogy to himself but it got cancelled :(
I had the opposite character arc, I thought the movie was shit. But I think I've learnt to see the bad AND GOOD of the film, like the whole Canto Bight thing was BS but the final scene with Luke trolling the fuck out of Kylo is genius or that the Luke being a prick kinda sucks, but the cinematography slaps so hard. In reality it isn't a really good or a really bad movie, I think the highs are really high and the lows are abysmally low.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
i think the biggest problem of the trilogy is just the lack of a consistent creative vision. its clear jj had a vision for the trilogy that rian didn't share, and instead of working with the direction tlj had set the series in he tried to retcon it. i genuinely loved that rey's parents were nobodies and going back on that while somehow resurrecting palpatine just felt cheap. same with completely writing rose out. i wish they'd just had one person direct all three (or at least plot out the major stuff beforehand) and it would've felt like a coherent trilogy. as it stands, each film is actively trying to retcon the one that came before it and it's just not fun to watch at all.
I honestly don’t see TLJ as retconning TFA. It takes the start, which is a pretty standard adventure clone of ANH, and builds it into something new and nonstandard. It’s ROS that goes full retcon on everything, because the so many people complained that TLJ wasn’t standard.
@@Onychoprion27personally, I agree with you. I am a big Star Wars fan and I like literally everything that I saw/read/played as of this moment, EXCEPT episode 9. That was incredibly lazely written. The cancelled version, Duel of the Fates, with some changes and revisions would be a much better final film in the Skywalker saga than TROS.
I was on board until he said he didn’t approve of shirtless Kylo
Cade Smith Same 😂
this is the only comment that matters
Cade Smith Kilo..gram?Meter? Kilohertz?
Noor Azraq Kylovins!
AEANEM you mean ben swolo
Schaff, quit flapping your gums about Star Wars and make that god damned Over The Hedge video!
TheCanoxd oof a little harsh but I’m excited too.
YES PLEASE
No! Make that Shrek the Musical video!
TheCanoxd watch Big Joel’s Over the Hedge video to bide the time
TheCanoxd Star platinum
Ryan Johnson made the point: The Darth Vader reveal works because it's the worst thing Luke can hear at the time. Rey thinks she's descended for greatness, but she came from nothing, the worst thing she could hear at the time.
It's like poetry
@@KaminoKatieit rhymes
What are you talking about? Ray never through her parents were some super important people in the galaxy, that was all a fan discussion. Bringing that meta plot point in the movie was nonsensical and just shows how much of a hack Ruin is
@@pedepsitorul because rey wanted to believe her parents were good people, ones like luke or a Jedi. But the weren't and this hurt her
@madtitanthanos7898 she didn't want her parents to be ANYTHING, she just wanted them to be there. The plot point about rey and her parents is concluded in TFA. Rey no longer cares about her parents and instead is finding belonging with new people, like finn, han, leia, and luke. Then ryan resurrected the plot line so he could subvert expectstions despite that not being in line with rey's characterm
I have to take the last jedi apart in my mind and make it into two movies. one the movie about rey and luke and kylo, which was an awesome movie, and one the movie about EVERY OTHER CHARACTER, which was the most disorganized nonsense I've ever seen in cinema.
Perfectly said
You’re right.
It can't have been more disorganized or nonsensical than the first Suicide Squad movie. Which I did see in the theater, and walked out with my family basically all thinking "What in the world did we just watch?"
Yeah, seriously if you attack actors for playing a character that you didn't like, please never watch a movie again. And Kelly Marie Tran did receive a TON of backlash, yes. And that's awful, but I feel a million times worse for Jake Lloyd. That poor guy was just a 10 year old kid who was so excited about playing Anakin. Watching those interviews of how excited he was breaks my heart with how awful the backlash and bullying was towards him.
First off sorry Jake Lloyd. Second, yes he was terrible made worse by equally terrible dialogue, but do personal attacks against him accomplish anything? These movies are for kids! Fat, neckbearded nerds love them. But in all honesty they are just commercials for the toys/video games/comics/Disneyland rides. If you aren't the target audience then take a step back and analyze what you're criticizing.
can u feel bad for both of them
@@Jackson-jd1um Of course! And I do
Vicious Savage you know, you got a point.
Vicious Savage That’s awful.. I’ve not seen those movies but I hate that. No actor deserves that.
Disappointed in the trend in these comments saying "Kelly Marie Tran had it bad but Jake Lloyd/Jar Jar had it worse!!!"
It's all bad guys we don't need to have a bullying olympics
Thank you
Agreed.
One got bullied off social media, the other one suffers from mental illness to this day because of it. Jake had it worse
@@budgetlifter they were still both crapped on. Jake did have it worse. He was a child so that makes what happened to him 100 times worse.
Is there any other fandom where people honest to God argue about who the fans treated worse?
How dare you make such a reasonable and balanced film review.
Knowing what we know about the Mandalorian subcultures, wouldnt have it been really interesting for Phasma to have been a Mandalorian? Have her have a mini arc with stormtrooper Finn bc although they’re First Order soldiers, her culture sees him and the others as Foundlings (in a twisted way)
Damn that does sound cool.
it's definetly a cool idea. phasma's character really deserved so much more, she should have been finn's foil for the entire trilogy instead of a throwaway character for making toys
That would be cool but it would be way better as what I choose to believe, phasma is the little girl from caravan of courage and battle of endor. ( the bad vhs Star Wars films)
@@senjubunny Why do people feel suits of armour deserve banging stories? Phasma is boring. Every trilogy has a boring suit of armour. Grievous, lord and protector of all that is good and holy, deliver me from anymore Star Wars suit of armour characters
@@moscanaveia you did say that Grievous is a bad or boring character
I always assumed that Rey's parents were nobodies, I didn't understand why it was used as a twist, then retconned
Adrian Dezendegui technically it wasn’t. Her parents were nobodies. Her grandfather was emperor of the first galactic empire
because in episode 7 JJ set up a big deal about her being connected to someone then Rian through that out (which honestly I prefer) and then because JJ set up one of his mystery boxes a lot of people were disappointed it was dropped and so they changed it and made things so much worse. it makes me really wonder why the hell this trilogy wasn't planned and why they would allow Rian to throw everything out the window TLJ on its own has some really interesting idea but as a sequel to a movie that set up big deals for all those things it's really weird and dumb
Yeah when everyone was theorizing after Episode 7 I was very vocal about how much I didn't care. I didn't want her parentage to matter, and I LOVED when Last Jedi told us it didn't.
Unfortunately fans are whiny and JJ and Disney are too concerned with crowd-pleasing to keep any interesting artistic choice from Last Jedi sooooo here we are.
@@chuckbatman5 yup same the problem I ever had with it is the fact it's so inconsistent with the direction if not for that I would love that idea 100%
Considering it was the star wars saga, it would not be weird if she was a skywalker (a real skywalker)
So I know this is like a year later, but according to Dave Filoni, the Darth Maul fight is actually one of the most important fights in the saga. Originally, this may not have held much weight, but it becomes clear later that Qui-Gon is one of the only Jedi who is beginning to realize the flaws of the order, and thus, feels he needs to train Anakin because he is the chosen one. Obi-Wan, though a wise Jedi, holds to the ways of the order unlike his master. Anakin's many questions of the council and the Jedi order lead him to the dark side, where if Qui-Gon was his master, his questions could have been justified and he may have remained on the light. This is why the Darth Maul fight is called the "Duel of the Fates."
Damn that's interesting
Qui-Gon's death sealed Anakin's fall to the dark side. The Jedi just didn't know it yet.
So just like most of the of the prequel trilogy, it’s a brilliantly interesting story that’s presented in a bafflingly uninteresting way.
@@nyyae yeah, but at least the fight scenes were dope to my child brain when I watched them at the time, and Revenge of the Sith is still a pretty good movie, of course the best, of the trilogy, but Darth Maul and his ship still get the #1 new bad guy characters of the Prequels right beside Count Dooku and Jango Fett.
Oh I understand now
The Duel with Maul wasn't pointless and it definitely had emotional investment since Qui Gon was clearly set up to be a father figure and he gets killed Setting Anakin's fate in stone.
But then again...
I didn't really care about any characters involved. If it wasn't for clone wars I would probably think that fight was useless.
@@theseel2718 I cared about Qui Gon, more than the sequel characters (exept finn) lol
@@loganwendigo937 Not me lol. He didn't have much of a personality or any defining traits. We also don't know anything about his backstory. I'm of the opinion that Liam Neeson is a petty good actor, but he just didn't really fit the character.
@@theseel2718 To me he was a younger Ben Kenobi that played off most of TPM cast pretty well.
@@theseel2718 While not much of Qui-Gon's character was established in The Phantom Menace, I really like his characterization in the book Master and Apprentice. He was very perceptive of both himself and the Jedi order, I think had he survived he would have been the greatest threat to Lord Sidious's plan.
Rose’s character is a tragedy in every sense of the word, little introduction terrible writing and not even a chance to redeem herself
13:00 Id like to point out parking illegally was a joke in SPACE BALLS. Yes Rian Johnson intentionally or not took a joke from a STAR WARS PAORDY and turned it into a serious plot point
Yes I'm aware I spelt "Parody" wrong but editing would get rid of the heart
I'm pretty sure it was intentional. There is also the scene with the clothes iron that looks like a spaceship. This is a reference to one of the earliest Star Wars parodies, the 1978 short film Hardware Wars. Rian is a true nerd. I know it's not for everyone but omg I love this movie and I'll defend it til' I die.
lordlook same
Taking a joke and making it a plot point isn't really a good idea.
Kye Dysarthria yeah it makes your characters appear to be idiots. I’m not the biggest fan of the guy but Mr Plinket makes a good point comparing Finn and Rose’s journey to the Grizzwalds
One time I decided to watch the last Jedi when it was on Netflix, and during the prank call part at the beginning my dad walked in and thought I was watching a ytp.
...pretty much, lol.
Ok that's funny
“.......yeah, I am”
ngl that's hilarious
I call bs on the idea of someone's dad knowing what a ytp is
I low key love that Luke creates a vision of the blue skywalker family lightsaber, rather than his own green one. It work really well thematically and lines up perfectly with what Luke would do. I feel like he'd want to go out holding his fathers lightsaber. Just a random detail that I really love.
finally someone else who likes Rey's parentage and the message behind it! it was one of my favorite parts of the whole trilogy.
"This video is made for sane people"
Sane people? In the Star Wars fandom?
_I can see you're only interested in the exceptionally rare_
_Only a Sith deals in absolutes_
I am sane and I think TLJ is a bad movie. I dunno how much about the fandom and the "fandom", but I think TLJ is a mess, yes, but not so beautiful.
@@luchomscyfy No see you don't get it, you're only sane if you agree with him.
@@xepharnazos ha, good one.
Um, that doesn't compute, wait
Ur under arrest
"Rose is the biggest victim of Fan Backlash in Star Wars History."
*Jar Jar Binks' Actor would like to know your location*
my first thought as well. Also don't forget Jake Lloyd
Yeah like, didn't he almost kill himself bc of it?
So would kid Anakin’s actor
@@emerym1549 yea Ahmed Best said he was almost driven to suicide because of his role
Star Wars actors really don't get a break, huh. If you ain't the Classic Cast, you're pretty much fucked over.
“This is the first movie in Star Wars history to drop its title into the movie”
Rogue One: .
“Help me Obi Wan Kenobi, you’re my A New Hope”
@@Coolgamer54321 “what’s your call sign?” “Uh.. we’re.. Rogue One: A Star Wars Story”
"Han... Solo... A Star Wars Story..."
Leia should have been established as a powerful force user in FA, and pulled the ship towards her in Last Jedi
This comment section is surprisingly civil considering the basis of this video. Impressive.
"A surprise to be sure, but a welcomed one".
hpena FMC What I was expecting was “HOW DARE YOU IT RAPED MY CHILDHOOD REVENGE OF THE SITH IS A MASTERPIECGEGJRDBJJURDNJFDVB”
Or “HOW DARE YOU THE LAST JEDI WORKS IN EVERY WAY IMAGINABLE AND YOU DONT LIKE IT BECAUSE YOU ARE A SIMPLE MINDED IDIOT WHO DOESNT KNOW HIW TO ANALYZE FILM AND ONLY LIKES MARVELEDNTWXBNEED”
@@Dingo-wk5ed Are you saying Revenge of the Sith isn't a masterpiece?
Morales yes, it’s ok for a prequel
Patrick Heneghan I think last Jedi has great ideas poor execution, but people seem to hate the ideas. But this is all I want, I want people to not hate each other for their preferences.
"This should kill the mary sue argument here"
Rise of Skywalker: watch this
Ahh you wrote this a day ago ???
@@louaidz1929 it says the same to me tf
A day ago wtf
Just to remind people the Mary Sue archetype is conservative by placing a specific woman better than other women as a token, basic "Not Like Other Girls" misogyny. So Episode 9, not so progressive.
Let me guess was private yesterday and you was able to write a commente befor anyone do it right
"I HATE WHEN CZcamsRS TURN POTENTIALLY EMOTIONAL LINES OF DIALOG INTO MEMES"
*Think, schaff, think!*
Spyro!
The prequels relate to this a lot
I like what this film tried to be, tried to at least have themes and a point, to deviate from the norm somewhat and possibly have a message. But everything about the context made it ring a bit hollow. I liked the Luke and Rey bits more than the rest and would actually have traded in the Canto Byte scenes for more of their character interactions. Like the idea that Luke has been as dismayed by the reimergence of the dark side after he worked so hard to vanquish it as the fans were is an interesting idea and to have someone a lot like he used to be restore his faith in, the light side I guess, is interesting.
We get time to see Rose, who we don’t know, get a whole scene mourning her sister but not a single second of Luke mourning his best friend
A Guy With A Lot Of Opinions I will be that guy who mentions the scene where he enters the Falcon
@Failingpepper 11 Hes an old man, he doesnt have to cry to show that hes sad
Charles Xavier from Logan and Aldred Penyworth from The Dark Knight Rises has entered the chat
He sneaks into the Falcon to be alone, even looking down at the Golden dice with what I thought to be regret, another addition to his failure because he made the man that killed Han.
It’s not as long as it could’ve been, I suppose, but it’s there and I was happy enough with it, especially when he brings the dice to Leia later.
My problem with Rose mourning her sister, is, it doesn't matter in context of the movie. It doesn't help Rose as character. She doesn't show beyond sadness, any other emotion. Like five stages of grief, but it's only sadness, and then melancolia. Rose doesn't show anger, or denial or acceptance for her sister.
"Give that droid a raise, he affectively massacred 90% of the resistance,"
Leafgreen 25 66 likes
But when I massacre 90% of a population I get fired
He's, no joke, one of my favorite Star Wars movie villains if you don't count the endless sea of additional content.
1. Vader (obviously)
2. Krennic
3. This droid that appeared less than ten minutes
In the movies Maul is boring, Dooku is wasted, Grievous is nothing but spectacle, and good ol palps was ruined by the goofy action scenes in the prequels as well as his return in TROS.
Oh and there's the disposable Solo villain who's name I can't remember.
I like it because a tiny insignificant droid could massacre an entire resistance, that f*cking scares me.
3:15
lets not forget that 2 seconds before tossing his saber and saying he wouldnt kill his father, luke was beating his father, and cut off his father's hand. And he even says it was a moment of instinct. Luke, in a single moment of instinct was gonna kill ben. But he doesn't because he realizes its not the jedi way, and because he thinks, "havent i learned a thing from being a jedi i shouldnt use the force for attacking?" but it was too late. ben woke up and was convinced luke was about to kill him. So by trying to stop kylo ren, luke created it. That point made sense to me. Luke has always been a dude just doing what he thinks is right. During his duel with vader on the death star 2, he was lucky. he was lucky vader and palpatine weren't trying to kill him, he was luckily vader was conflicted, he was lucky palpatine was too arrogant to be convinced vader was completely devoted.
When R2 played the leia message I genuinely smiled
The best joke in the movie, and one of the sweetest moments
I agree that the scene where R2 plays “you’re my only hope” Leia hologram was brilliant. Nostalgia that actually means something to not just the story but to the characters as well.
I would rather have prequel references, they are more iconic
...And it was destroyed when like said "That was a cheap move." Like almost everything in this movie it finds a way to get destroyed and that's what makes me dislike it.
@@turkepic3637 Im not sure how it ruined it...it was an actual genuine reaction between Luke and R2.
@@joshburns969 it's my opinion. I feel like if Luke just walked away it would have been more intense because at the end he does walk away.
@@turkepic3637 I thought that line was a meta commentary on using nostalgia as a cheap move
I feel like Luke's failure of character when he tries to kill Ben might be made a little more believable if maybe they had shown or told us how precarious the peace created after destruction of the Empire and how it came at a very high personal cost, so that Luke's paranoia about any little thing potentially destroying everything he worked so hard to make would push him to actually consider killing his nephew.
I say that the hermit idea can work but not with anything related to killing Ben. I think it should be Luke doing a mission and coming back to see all that happened, which is an idea i see thrown around a bit.
I'm sorry but I can't believe luke would ever do this. This is the guy that wouldn't even kill the wampa who tried to eat him. This is the guy that saw good in the second most evil man in the galaxy. I can't believe that luke would kill the only child of his best friend and twin sister just because he saw a little dark side energy that he could just talk him through.
@@poppapalpatine8624 did you forget he chopped off Vader’s hand? He does see good at him but don’t make it sound like he just talked it out. And like thinking about Ben was a fleeting thought.
@@thatsabingo6695 It was in self defense and he backed off and showed him mercy
@@poppapalpatine8624 Nah vader was literally holding onto a railing just to not fall over and luke started to beat the shit out of him
This is the best TLJ review, you’re the one of the only person who is able to judge it fairly with an open mind, with other examples being IHE and cosmonaut who can see the good and the bad
Dude cosmonaut and Schaff are the best when it comes to Star Wars
@@wrenren2112Couldn’t agree more
uMm aCtUalLy tHe fIlM iS oBjEcTiVeLy bAd
@@lukar7306 - MisAnthroPony (and this is coming from a tentative fan of that guy. But while his Cuphead review was so invalidly negative it made us rage, I’m glad he thinks Doug Walker is a poor man’s Mr. Enter because while the latter made a series dedicated to bashing Nickelodeon for the many, many things (IT’S OVER 9000!!!!!!) they did absolutely wrong (Nick-O-Rama), the former did something much worse like insult Sailor Moon, The Wall and countless other underrated gems like his own fandom with their bs #KeepTheChannel hashtag to justify his opinions by being too respectful of them even though Disneycember is pretty much an even worse (like, WAY worse) version of NOR)
You should watch Nerrel's video about this movie
I find it fascinating that we shit on this movie so hard when it came out (me included, can't lie) and it caused such an overreaction that when Rise of Skywalker came out, we came back like "heeeeeey.....I may have overreacted a bit"
To be fair, when you see two trains colliding head on with each other, you begin to put the car crash of yesterday in perspective.
@@Para0234 thus the love for the prequels
Yeah... no. Both are still terrible for most people. One is garbage the other is a trainwreck and force awakens is mediocre at best. Now fans are going back to prequels and legends for a reason.
@@minecraftgravityguy ah yes the prequels where a CGI character steps into shit and Shakespearean dialog like "I hate sand it's rough coarse and it gets everywhere"
@Zenitura Gaming "I wish I could put my fist through this whole lousy beautiful town."
*Says treating Villains like a joke is a bad idea*
*Shows picture of Jessie and James*
I'm sorry but WHAT. They are perfect in every way.
Yeah like how dare he. Those two are more than just joke characters in the same way Dr. Doofenshmirtz is more than a comedic villain.
One Big Fox I love them a lot but I think the issue is that they sort of remove tension from any scene
I love Team Rocket, but I can see why some might dislike them.
Sometimes they just add pointless tension and can really stagnate the plot (especially in the 1st season, which I also really like).
Exactly I can understand why a lot of people hate Jessie and James, but I love how they constantly break the 4th wall
I personally find them really annoying.
I think Kanto Byte could've been so amazing thematically if Po had gone with Finn. Po is a hotshot pilot who loves fighting the fight and doesn't take into consideration the despair that comes with war. Finn on the other hand is a child soldier who abandoned his army because of the atrocities they were committing and through FA chose to join the resistance and fight the first order.
We could have had Po realise how much pain and destruction the war really causes through Finn. And how much of a gutpunch would it have been for both of them to find out both sides are supplied by the same people! Also they should have made the kid skaves more impactful considering, again, FINN WAS A CHILD SOLDIER. The parallels they could've drawn would have been so good if they didn't throw Finn's background to the wayside!
Exactly.
"They get along too well?" Just say you're uncreative and don't understand character motivations and go.
@@i.j.dragonfly3123 But then what would Rose do then? I mean maybe they could have it be three of them and get rid of the whole mutiny plot. Or like Schafrillas suggested have them try to find the mole, which could end up being a small Droid or something that the First Order bugged their ship with.
THIS 👆
@@JMandJJ7797 Some people have raised the idea of Rose being another deserted stormtrooper, who decides to help Finn after losing her sister(-in-arms) in a pointless battle. Or maybe she could have been an expert technician who helps Finn and Poe leave the ship and covers for them. I'm not sure what Rian Johnson's original draft would have looked like.
Honestly, given that TRoS demoted Rose to a glorified extra, she could have been cut entirely... but I think that would be a tragic waste. Kelly Marie Tran is a wonderful actress who was handed a terrible script, and I'd like to see what she would have done with a different story.
You just wrote this down from another video.
LOL.
The worst part of the rise of skywalker is when the guy who killed millions by destroying 5 planets is actually a spy and his that is supposed to redeem his character
I think as a very hardcore starwars fan there is a difference between a good film and a good starwars movie
Lol. RotS says hello XD
@@moscanaveia exactly
Me scrolling down to the comment section: "I've got a bad feeling about this"
I'm more concerned about the like/dislike ratio. Even saying one or two positive things about TLJ would make this video *"perfectly balanced"* with the ratio
Me scrolling down to the comment section: "This is where the fun begins."
Michael Strong Same goes both ways.
@CommandoDude and CZcams comments lead to a brain dysfunction
CommandoDude XD
“BB-9E should have a raise!”
Is a battlefront hero ok instead
To be fair the BB droids were some of the most competent characters in the movie
True tho
Bobby Ferg never underestimate a droid
I would say yes, and you know let me just say, before I saw this comment I thought "AHSOKA DIDN'T GET ADDED BUT A FRICKIN' SOCCER BALL DID!?!?" But now that I put together BB9E single-handedly ruined the Resistances planes, and then got added to a popular video game, I can now say it's well deserved
BB-9E deserves that spot. If he didn’t get in I’d honestly be a bit miffed.
Having the subplot be more of a whodunnit, and after seeing Knives Out, definitely could’ve been a fun and better idea.
Apparently the reason why rose barely got any screen time was because her actress spoke out against the disney star wars movies
I think Rose could’ve been redeemed by making her the spy. Then it makes sense for her to take Finn on this wild goose chase to Canto Byte, find the wrong code breaker who will turn them in and even knock Finn’s ship from hitting that laser when he tries to sacrifice himself. She’s ‘saving him’ but really she’s just trying to help the first order. Her sister could be a spy as well, maybe one who ended up defecting after spending time with the resistance since she bombs a Star Destroyer.
After her sister dies, Rose is angry at the resistance for turning and killing her sister and All of Rose’s speeches about rebellion and her line about saving what you love are actually what her sister said to her when she was still alive, but now she’s using those resistance ideals to make finn and co trust her. And it works on the characters but the audience is put off by her and knows something’s up.
Then in ROS Hux doesnt have to be the rebel spy, Rose is the First Order spy. She could even be working for Hux and lead him to where the rebels are so he can suprise attack them while taking all the credit and making Kylo look bad.
This is so bold! Thats a really good idea!!
Instead of Rose being useless, now she actually is interesting!
hiimawesome6 I don’t get how she could be a spy for both what would she gain?
Seriously. Even a kid's movie called "Frozen" pulled this off perfectly. It's one of rare cases of GOOD subversions of expectations that this movie could have had.
@@rapidreaders7741 Define "perfectly".
Someone's been watching Nando V Movies
The part involving Rose's actress was a big mood, hope this doesn't follow her in any future film. A damn shame this had to happen in her first role, or that it happened at all.
She's a pretty good actress too, it's a shame she didn't get a better character.
Let's just all agree that hardcore fans of anything can be the worst pieces of shit on the internet. EVEN IF you want to blame the actors, the writers, the directors, NOTHING justifies death threats and unending harassment. You lost the argument the moment you used such methods.
@@Akatsukileader9 Did she confirmed she left social media because of harassment? She may have left because she was contractually obligated to have one at the time.
Peter Griffin ate the Geneva Convention
Holy shit this really turned my opinion on this movie around.
I don’t know why, but Schaff saying “Poe wouldn’t have time to prank call General Huckleberry!” makes me laugh more than it should.
"This movie constantly feels like a weak attempt to be Marvel"
*That right there is the answer to all that's wrong with Disney Star Wars*
Adrian Naranjo From what I heard LucasFilm is going to do another Star Wars saga set during the Old Republic where the films will be similar to the Marvel films, in terms of their format. That leads me believe that LucasFilm wanted to do that story more than the sequel trilogy because the sequel trilogy almost feels rushed so they can do what they really want, a MCU-like series but for Star Wars.
It's too bad that so far they've refused to take on one thing that they _should_ be using from the MCU - *meticulously planning out all of the films ahead of time.* I'm hoping they'll learn from that mistake with this rumored High Republic film series, because honestly the obvious lack of planning was _by far_ the biggest problem with the sequel trilogy.
Marvel really didn't have a meticulous plan; constant changing directors.
@@fightingmedialounge519 And yet they formed an extremely coherent narrative, because Kevin Feige was overseeing everything to make sure it all lined up. Good or bad, every film in the MCU at least has a purpose in the overall narrative.
no. the issue is that they're terribly written
"Her parents are nobodies."
Palpatine: *Laughs in Sith Lord*
Mr. Fish came here for these comments and there’s shockingly few hahaha
a siTH lOrD?
*Laughs in Sith Lord*
palpatine is not "all the sith"
PALPATINE IS THE SENATE.
Palpatine: I am....
Rey: The Senate?
Palpatine: I'm so proud....
I don’t like TLJ but this video was great. It’s nice to see somebody talk about the fact there’s good things about the movie! It’s not perfect at all, but it’s not horrible either, and that doesn’t just go for TLJ, it goes for almost every movie ever. It has some great moments, and some bad ones too.
Good day mate
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I never realized how tone deaf the explosion behind Finn and Rose's kiss was
That explosion could have signaled the death of so many resistance member and they couldn't have known whether all of their friends survived
It was just such an odd moment. One or both of them should have been dead by that point. "We win by...saving what we love" is such a weird, try-too-hard line. And while John Boyega and Kelly Marie Tran have decent chemistry, their interactions were so badly written that I wasn't even sure that Rose liked Finn until she kissed him. The explosion in the background just compounds how dumb it is.
I wonder if this was one of the weird callbacks/"rules" that some fans are so obsessed with. In _The Empire Strikes Back,_ there was the epically entertaining relationship between Han and Leia. In _Attack of the Clones,_ there was the epically cringey relationship between Anakin and Padme. So maybe Disney demanded some overt romance in the second film of *this* trilogy, and Rian panicked and threw that silly moment in there.
What makes it even weirder is that there was already a perfect opportunity for a romantic moment. Kylo and Rey had amazing chemistry. He clearly forgave her for scarring his face, and she trusted him enough to meet him alone in hostile territory. THEY HELD HANDS. If *they* had kissed after taking out all the Praetorian Guards, *that* would have fulfilled the romantic moments quota, made at least some sense, and been emotionally charged. Me and all my friends would have swooned 😂
@@polyhymnia701 This to the millionth degree. I would've loved to see a regular-ish perspective like Rose, but her writing was so far-fetched it made her the least relatable character in the entire series. Even JAR JAR is more relatable than she is.
TLJ is as much a clusterfuck a movie as TROS is, it just doesn't rush as much.
that scene has downright perfect comedic timing. But that's obviously not the point which just makes it even funnier to me
The kiss came out of nowhere? I hated it the moment it happened.
Nando v Movies proposed a theory Rose is a first order spy. While I’m not a fan of “hero is actually evil” theories he brought up good points
I didn’t mind Luke’s Character, but I think they made him too comic relief. Though I agree him suffering in his depression is good, as it shows you Luke can suffer. Though I think him trying to kill Kylo isn’t Luke. Also yes, Hux was wasted. #JusticeForHux. And also I would have looooved to see what happened with the Force Sensitive Boy that got “Swept” under the carpet
When I think of that Classic Luke Skywalker, "bloodthirsty nephewkiller" always comes to mind. I mean, it's not like Luke EVER had the capacity to forgive those wielding the dark side, ESPECIALLY those who, ironically, were still innocent but were PROBABLY gonna do it.
@Katie Lewis yeah, just like Rey had ol' grandaddy's killer instincts kicking in...oh wait
"Force Sensitive Broom Boy" lives on as Rian Johnson. That was his character insert. Don't worry.
I actually loved Lukes character. Yes, attacking his nephew was a little weird, but what we got in return was far greater.
I think it would be far more interesting if they actually tried to deconstruct and then reconstruct his character. What if Luke’s unwavering hope that his nephew just needed a chance to be helped allowed Kylo to exploit Luke’s empathy and destroy his Jedi Order? And thus Luke runs away and goes to hide not only because he can’t bear to face Han and Leia after what he let their son become, but also because he basically had an existential crisis about how his compassion that saved Darth Vader and the galaxy might have now doomed it. And then Rey shows up and Luke helps her to see that Kylo Ren may not be beyond redemption, but Rey also gets Luke to finally forgive himself and realize that even if Ben could be saved, he threw the chance away and exploited Luke’s love. And then maybe instead of that whole astral projection thing, Luke just appears to Kylo in his mind, and Kylo goes down to fight him, but everyone just sees him swinging at the air, which would not only make for good comic relief but would also sow distrust in Kylo as the Supreme Leader because he looks like he’s insane. And then don’t have Luke just die for no reason other than plot convenience.
This, to me, is an infinitely more interesting idea and is far more accurate to Luke as a character. It would begin by deconstructing Luke’s defining trait by showing what happens when faith in the good of others is betrayed, but then reconstruct Luke as a character by allowing him to grow and learn from this with a more down-to-earth perspective. What they did disappointed me because they just show us this old angry hermit, call him Luke Skywalker, and expect us to clap because they portrayed him negatively.
I think after what we've seen of Luke in the Mandalorian and the Book of Boba Fett that perhaps LucasFilm is trying to lay the groundwork to help justify Luke's portrayal in TLJ. We see *"the Legend"* that tore through Dark Troopers like a hot knife through butter from the eyes of people like Din Djarin & Gideon. While Luke might not consciously let that get to his head, subconsciously maybe moments like this reinforce the idea that he is the protector of the galaxy. In the Book of Boba Fett, we see him offer Grogu a choice of choosing Yoda's lightsaber OR Djarin's chainmail, the exact same mistake that lead his father down the path of the dark side.
''Rey born from nobodies'' was one of the best things in the entire new trilogy. An entire saga about a family with immense power because a guy manipulated life itself to make the greatest Force user ever, then comes a girl of humble origins who is just as good as a Force user, why? Because, there's no reason, it just happens. Or maybe there was a reason but only the Force knows and Rey happened to be the one born when the Force did its thing. No bloodline, just sheer luck. This way Rey would have changed her aim from ''finding my family'' to ''I have found a family'' with Leia, Poe, Finn, Rose... it could have made for a great twist and fresh take on the SW formula.
But no, she had to be powerful because she's linked to the Galactic Emperor of Evil.
But making her a nobody doesn't fit with what was set up in Force Awakens.
@@BrendanJSmith force awakens set of nothing, it was just a shot by shot remake of a new hope
@motor4X4kombat Force Awakens copying A New Hope has NOTHING to do with this!
@@BrendanJSmith oh you mean an orphan from a desert planet finds a droid with secret information to destroy the space statiom from a facist regime with literal white soldiers and its his/her way he team up with a legend character that has a beloved one turn evil and told him/her about the spirital power called the force that he/she uses to save the day after loosing his mentor figure from his ally that turn to the dark side while a battle in space is going on? Yeah the story can go anywhere.
And to add salt to the injury rise of the skywalker is worse with the repeats. If you "true fans" wanted nothing but a remaster versión of the original why the shit you didn't watch the originals insted? Next time you will tell me that the live action lion king set a "lot of great things" for the sequel.
@@motor4X4kombat
My guy it’s the 7th movie in a huge fucking franchise. Sooner or later there are going to be similarities between each movie and yes that include the force awakens. The word “copy is such an insult for what the movie was trying to be. Hell look at the Indiana jones trilogy. All of the original 3 are the exact same movie. Hell you could maybe even say they “copy” each other. They all work as great films because it’s called a film formula. Even George Lucas said that all of Star Wars films should rhyme with each other. If you have a problem with he film for the similarities then I can see that, but calling it “copying” is just not right.
The sequel trilogy has disappointed me so much because it clearly didn't have a plan. The force awakens opened up the possibility of interesting stories. People like the Knights of Ren and Captain Phasma were completely wasted and my opinions on episodes 7, 8 and 9 are just movies to me. Not good just disappointing and full of wasted potential.
At least George had a general outline in mind when creating the stories for both the Original and Prequel Trilogies, probably more so with the Prequel Trilogy, to where he wanted things to go. It’s just apparent that Disney had no idea what they wanted to do with this Sequel Trilogy and the franchise in general, and they really should of had an amazing visionary like George Lucas to plan things out behind the scenes.
well honestly even though the sequel trilogy has split the Star Wars Fanbase with half of them making all kinds of ridiculous assumptions about both Disney and the directors without any proof whatsoever, I actually like The Force Awakens for many good reasons. Because to me, TFA didn’t entirely work as a sequel, but rather as a visually interesting standalone Star Wars film on its own, I felt like TFA didn’t entirely deserve a sequel, but then again it was the start of a mixed bag trilogy. TFA’s Story was well paced and knew exactly when to introduce a character old or new, and above that, the settings and soundtrack were phenomenal as well.
Rise of Skywalker on the other hand is a different story, sure it was directed by JJ Abrams (the same guy who directed TFA), but it didn’t entirely have the same visually interesting stuff TFA had, I mean I did love Palpatine’s return and it the reasons for his return did answer a lot of unanswered questions in TFA. I didn’t entirely mind the aspect of Rey being the granddaughter of Palpatine, but changing her last name to Skywalker for an unknown reason was a tiny bit uncalled for. My favorite parts in ROS was 1. When the force ghost of Luke spoke to Rey (I even liked his line “A Jedi’s Weapon deserves a little more respect!” 2. All the Jedi voices speaking to Rey (it was an awesome combination between some of the actual actors from past movies and voice actors from Clone Wars and Rebels) and best of all 3. Han Solo speaking to Ben, which is to me the most heartwarming scene in the movie because Han didn’t appear as a force ghost, but rather as a memory which works perfectly despite how rushed Ben’s redemption might’ve been
Even after this new trilogy, I still don't like the prequels all that much, but at least there was a consistent outline on where that trilogy would go.
PrimeBandet I would’ve been fine if the sequels were made by either just ryan or jj, ROS is ok for what jj had, i feel like a lot of the reasons why it was bad was because of TLJ and Disney, i personally don’t like TLJ but that’s because of the major problems with luke’s arc, it doesn’t feel like Luke, if during the fight with Kylo Luke was pleading with him to come back to the light it would’ve been much better imo, instead of just telling Kylo he’s lost then disappearing, that is not something Luke would do. I also don’t like Holdo at all, i would’ve preferred Ackbar to survive and do the lightspeed ram but that’s just me, ROS has a lot of stupid stuff as well, like the force heal and the palpatine stuff, i would’ve preferred for Rey to be anakin reincarnated, which would make sense with TLJ cause Anakin is a direct manifestation of the force to bring balance, and Rey should’ve died so then there isn’t any plot holes, Ben should’ve lived so he could continue the skywalker name, i’m fine with Palpatine coming back but if they didn’t do the Anakin reincarnated plot they should keep the jedi ghosts scene including them being there physically. I would continue but i’m lazy.
TLDR
Force Awakens was good
TLJ was bad with good elements
ROS could’ve been better but was ok
lazm0o well I do like how in the Jedi voices scene it’s a combination of both the live action actors and the voice actors from Clone Wars
We see that Rian is a Hamilton fan :
- The arc with the ruthless commander who doesn’t obey his superiors and who is denied his commandment
- The way characters like Luke, Rey, and to some extent Kylo Ren, deal with the fact that history has its eyes on them
- The fact he cites Hamilton in Knives Out
- Leslie Odorn Jr in Knives Out 2
- « INCOMIIIIIIIING ! »
There's just something beautiful about a Star Wars video with Super Mario Galaxy music in the background
I think the best way to summarise the three trilogies, is:
The OT was a series with a strong vision, and a strong sense of collaborative talent, Lucas set the stage, and directors (Marquand, Kershner) screenwriters (Lawrence Kasdan) editors (Marcia Lucas, ) sound designers (Ben Burtt) etc were all given the room to maneuver to bring their talent to its greatest effect.
the PT was a series with a strong vision, but a very weak sense of collaboration of talent. Lucas set a potentially strong plotline in motion, but without stronger directors like Kershner, or stronger screenwriters like Kasdan, and with Lucas in complete control, NO-ONE's talent really flourished to full effect.
The ST was a series with a very strong collaboration of talent, from potent directors like Johnson, to good editors, actors, cinematographers etc. they were all given the freedom to work to their best... however... there was no sense of vision, no overarching idea, subsequently they're putting their strongest work into a flawed final blueprint.
the OT is a solid house built out of wood.
the PT is a sizeable mansion built out of mud.
and the ST is a small shack built out of bricks.
The first 2 of these had the overarching theme of legacy.
@@brianbrush5107 that's certainly present in all three trilogies... thematics aren't the issue with the Sequel trilogy, plot construction was,
Nailed it
But the Original trilogy didn’t have a vision, A New Hope was supposed to be the only Star Wars movie but Lucasfilm changed their mind when they saw how much money it made, then there was a vision for Empire and Jedi.
@@ryanbollinger1759 the studio didn't have a plan for it, but George did (to a certain extent at least). probably just hypotheticals he was spinning around, but once it came time to make a sequel, he had laid the tracks for plenty of his hypotheticals to follow on, e.g. Evil Empire needs an Emperor, Vader survived, Luke has much more to learn etc. he definitely had the core laid out, just not the smaller bits and pieces (e.g. Leia and Luke's relationship)
"Yoda went back to Dagobah to live out the rest of his days.
However he found out he had been drafted to the Vietnam War
His helicopter crashed, killing 20 people in his squad
Yoda miraculously survived the crash
He then died from Syphilis 2 hours later #DAGOBAHSQUAD"
I died
Deep 😔✊
@@commentingcommenter1230 Why hello there.
so did yoda
In a way, I think The Last Jedi is a perfect metaphor for Star Wars as a whole. It’s got some really big flaws holding it back from being truly fantastic and it can be messy, disjointed, poorly paced or even tone-deaf, but ultimately it is creative, iconic, exciting and intelligent and it tells it’s story in an entertaining way.
I'm so glad to see someone not hating on how Luke is portrayed in this film.
RJ: "They got along too well, and it was really boring"
Vader: "What?"
Tbh, when i heard that statement from Rian in that interview i was actually thinking if he was telling the truth, or Disney didnt like having a gay couple in Star Wars
Poe and Finn so have the most chemistry in the Sequels
@@andreiefectivuatafac1966 TBH I wouldn’t be surprised if they saw the flood of people (understandably) shipping them, thought “Oh fuck” and immediately resolved to do everything in their power to kill all potential chemistry.
Whatz?
@@andreiefectivuatafac1966 I see the controversy
"Backtracking on this reveal is the single worst mistake TROS ever made"
YES. I've been a SW fan my whole life but I found myself getting so bored with the repeating tropes...I absolutely loved her parents being no one, and I thought it introduced a tragic and relatable situation into a franchise that often gets lost in CGI pyrotechnics.
Alright, before this comments section gets explosive, I would like to agree wholeheartedly. I mean, Star Wars is outstanding, and the last thing I would want( and I’m sure I can say this about at least some of the fans) would be a repetitive story simply because newer screenwriters aren’t confident enough to do something new.
Tbh I’m mixed on it. We finally get to know why she’s so powerful and it’s kind of satisfying but it’s a repeated trope in SW we’ve seen too many times. It kind of made me appreciate Rey nobody even more but TLJ didn’t seem to care Rey found out her parents are nobody even though that was her life goal to find out who her parents were. It just ignore it.
Tbh I’m mixed on it. We finally get to know why she’s so powerful and it’s kind of satisfying but it’s a repeated trope in SW we’ve seen too many times. It kind of made me appreciate Rey nobody even more but TLJ didn’t seem to care Rey found out her parents are nobody even though that was her life goal to find out who her parents were. It just ignore it.
@@joeyjerry1586 yeah.. the execution was not done well, but the general idea was great. Also, I think it’s been mentioned that someone can be force sensitive without any apparent bloodline.(just look at obi-wan for example)... but I agree she was far too strong, taking on a well-trained Skywalker
With literally 0 training. I like to tell myself that Kylo was at a vulnerable position after killing his Dad, but I agree that it’s no excuse for such a mistake.
(I know comment is a year old) I wholeheartedly agree; I was one of the people who was expecting her to be a Skywalker, or a Kenobi, or a Katarn, etc, but when I first watched TLJ, the decision annoyed me to make her a nobody. As time went on (and then we got the dumpster fire of TROS) I liked the idea a lot more and more, showing that anyone in the SW universe can be important or can make an impact, and that not everything in the story has to be about the Skywalkers (and their buddies)
Honestly my favorite film in the sequel trilogy (which isn't saying much), but it does have some of my favorite Star Wars moments. Yoda's lesson of the importance of failure, anything on the island, Luke confronting Kylo Ren one last time, his death scene. I also feel the original Duel of the Fates script works a LOT better as a sequel to this movie than TROS was. It carries on a lot of the same themes and gives Finn a compelling character arc.
Oh, definetelly. Duel of the Fates is a lot better. BUT it needs some revisions and fixes, like Rey and Poe's romance, it comes out of nowhere. Finn/Rey clearly is a romantic couple, it's for the best it stays that way, because they have a lot of chemistry. With some fixes, it would be a very nice conclusion to the 9 episode saga.
My opinion: just because it looks good, doesn’t mean it is good... and they killed admiral akbar off screen 1/10 it was a trap
The prequels: [exist]
"God the original trilogy was better"
The Last Jedi: [exist]
"God even the prequels were better"
The Rise of Skywalker: [exist]
"God even The Last Jedi was better"
I wonder if they'll manage to make something so bad I'll defend Rise of Skywalker.
For the love of all that is holy, please no. I have been able to enjoy each Star Wars movie (Yes even the prequels) up to Rise of Skywalker. I grew up on Prequels and OT. Force Awakens made me giddy because Star Wars is back. Last Jedi made me happy because (While Kanto Bite can just not) I loved the movie and what it did. Rise of Skywalker is the first Star Wars movie where I have literally zero desire to ever see it ever again. It was bland, lackluster, and the ending left a bad taste.
If they do *worse* there's no hope left.
Yes you could defend that it's better than the Prequels at least
@@deadshot5007 at least the prequels had a plot that made some sense. The rise of Skywalker's plot is terrible. There are so many plot holes and contrivances
@@deadshot5007 rise of skywalker will never be better than the prequels. The sequel trilogy will never in a million years will touch the prequel trilogy.
Da_Pikmin_Coder no, they’ve just about hit the bottom of the Sarlaac pit with this one
tRoS: *comes out*
Everyone: "You know what, maybe tLJ wasn't so bad after all"
That's kind of what people were saying about the prequels when tlj.
Kye Dysarthria Revenge of the Sith over the sequels any day
Episode ix make luke skywalker even more coward since he could have go to crait with the x-wing the whole time
Meh. To me, they’re both bad for different reasons. TLJ has similar problems with BvS in prioritizing visuals and deconstructionist themes without organically connecting them with the plot and characters, thus leading to a lot of contradictions and inconsistencies. ROS is like Justice League, in which it tries to damage control the previous film and please everyone, and ends up pleading no one by making a plotless, visually-bankrupt junk food movie.
King Bash the thing is, even though TLJ kinda retcons TFA by killing Snoke or having Reys parents being no one, at least it could be considered a "fresh take" on Star Wars (no chosen one, no big bad evil guy), despite its shortcomings. Even though I didn’t really like it, I went out of the theatre telling myself "well at least the last one will be interesting to watch, I wonder where they are gonna go".
And then TROS happened and I realized that Disney really considered Star Wars fans to be idiotic manbabies who would just swallow anything if you pat them on the head saying "don’t worry, the big bad Ryan Johnson movie didn’t really happen, here are some cool visuals to make you forget, and don’t worry, the Asian chick you hated won’t be in it".
After seeing TLJ, I felt disappointed.
After seeing TROS, I felt personally insulted.
Woah woah I can understand the throne room fight not having the most emotional investment but Duel of the Fates?? That fight shows Obi-Wan turning into a Jedi master in that *moment*, and you can really see the anger in Obi-Wan when he’s fighting maul after Qui-Gonn dies
-"This is how we win. Not destroying what we hate, saving what we love."
-Noises of literally everyone they love exploding.
schaff, nobody talks about this enough, but your choice in background music is absolutely amazing.
Nintendo music works
I actually never noticed he had background music
Rose: Shows a really strong bond with her sister who died for the cause
Also Rose: Stops Fin from saving the Resistance because she wanted a kiss
@Tom Ffrench Plus they didn't save the slave children
@@RAINBOWNIGTHMAREPRODUCTIONS the slave children weren't part of the mission, plus they merely had a space ship to leave the planet.probably the children would've been saved later on, once the rebels were safe and could manage an invasion/inside job on the planet
I would prefer it if Rose and Finn made a close bond at Canto and have more scenes of them getting to know about each other, something akin to Han and Leia in ESB, and not learning about the horrors of war opportunists and what not. Then her saving Finn would at least feel impactful even if he's doing it for the greater good, because she's a human as well and can have emotions that contradicts logic. She just lost her sister, and she doesn't want to lose another, I think this is what Rian was going for but Canto is so distracting that it doesn't feel impactful. And yes, Canto is the only gripe I have about this movie, it's like the entirety of Jabba part of the story in ROTJ.
@@stefan6347 The stuff at Jabba's palace was resolving the Han cliffhanger at the end of the previous film and to show what's happened to Luke since Empire.
@@RAINBOWNIGTHMAREPRODUCTIONS I know that, but they lasted too long and became boring after awhile.
Lemme address one of the things I 100% disagree with you on; Snoke. I think you missed the entire point of why the Sith always fail. Let's go through a few examples. Why did Darth Nihilus fail? Because he could not see beyond his power grab, which was his ultimate downfall as a wound in the force. In short, tunnel vision. Why did Anakin lose to Obi-Wan? He could not see beyond his pure hate and anger he had not only for his brother for betraying him, but everyone around him for supposedly abandoning him. In short, tunnel vision. Why did Palpatine get yeeted into space chunks? Because he was so angry and spiteful at yet another pathetic Jedi who could not see the power of the dark side, that he never saw Vader coming back to the light and killing him. In short, tunnel vision. Why did Snoke not see the saber turn towards him instead of Rey? Because he was so focused on the hate and inner turmoil and the raw emotion coming from it, and he got too invested in the pure power and unleashing of emotions. IN SHORT, TUNNEL VISION. This narrow-minded, hate-fueled, raw-emotion driven mindset is what has always led to the downfall of even the greatest of Sith. And Snoke is just one more example of this. It's actually one of the few things I enjoy about this movie.
34:53 "It left no intriguing plot threads for a third film to work with."
I honestly can't help but disagree with that statement simply because of the fact that the original Episode 9 script (Duel of the Fates) exists and after reading that script, it actually continued most of the plot threads of TLJ and took them in interesting directions. Now that script itself was still very flawed, but those flaws would've been much easier to fix than the flaws in TROS imo. If Disney simply kept that script and refined the flaws that it had, then the Skywalker Saga could've easily ended on a satisfying note. People probably would've softened on TLJ had Disney actually stuck with the DOTF script.
Also making Kylo Ren the main villain is still an intriguing plot thread that TLJ set up. It's not like there was NOTHING that Episode 9 could've expanded upon.
The mandalorian was a great example as to how to write a good villain, moff Gideon was actually threatening
Luigi Nastro he’s the main villain, he apparently escaped being tried for war crimes by the new republic and apparently led the purge on mandalore, he also has the dark saber
Luigi Nastro I’m done with the movies, like wait 30 years then you can give us the next trilogy, at least then I will have become a force ghost and roam the galaxy looking for better planets
I mean yea but it would have been more threatening if he was hinted at in any way before he was revealed
Tanner Bruning I think he’s interesting, but most of that is the actor Giancarlo Esposito who knows how to shape a character well, plus you didn’t see him through the whole series and they have more room to build him up for the future if they use their setup properly
I liked Werner Herzog more as a Villian, but he probably has better things to do than be in Disney+ films
When a movie so bad Schaff has to make a 40 minute video appreciating the previous one.
Wich was also terrible but a "little less" (according to some people)
That is how i felt, but it was only because i waited for a bew Star wars movie, once time passes, you start to realize a movie sucks.
This movie is much worse than he presents it in this video. In fact, a lot of his arguments are poor and unsubstantiated. He just asserts things, maybe says a few buzzwords like 'character dynamics' or 'themes' and moves on.at 2/3 of the way in the video, he has not made one cogent argument for the movie being good, just how he liked it.
Alexander Marier let’s be fair here, episode 9 was way worse than TLJ, yes, the past jedi is not perfect, but JJ Abrams had the chance to make a better movie but opted to make it nostalgic and ruin all the canonity of the previous ones. Although that is my opinion, if you prefer Episode 9 than 8, and you think episode 8 is bad, it is ok. I shouldn’t be offended by somebody’s opinion of a movie and as long as everybody respects other’s opinion it is ok :)
@@alexgria Well, the last Jedi also messed up canon (I'm not defending episode 9)
I remember when Rose crashed into Finn’s ship in the theater, I audibly said “Really?!”
0:48-1:35 is a big part of why my views line up with Schaffs and why I respect him as a person.
Love it or hate it, I'd say Last Jedi is the most visually interesting and is the most unique of the sequels in terms of story, unlike what preceded and followed it didn't rely on gimmicks like Death Star III or Sheev is back
Most unique is like being the tallest kid in kindergarten.
its Empire 2.0 but with all plots going nowhere.
@@KaiserMattTygore927 How's it a clone of The Empire Strikes Back? I consider The Last Jedi's originality to be one of its high points.
@@KaiserMattTygore927 Yeah no. It plot go somewhere just because it didnt go somewhere you like doesnt mean it bad.
@@geekyradical4985 its the same plot made by reylo fan fic writers.
@@mcolottiboy Well, I consider the throne room sequence to be pretty original. In that, they made it clear that Snoke wasn't meant to be a ripoff of Palpatine and that Kylo Ren isn't a ripoff of Darth Vader. Luke's story arc with struggling against his inner darkness after he contemplated killing his nephew was also a solid attempt to go in a new direction. Although The Last Jedi obviously has its flaws, it also has its significant high points.