@@cirrus1964 were both your systems and their cartridges perfectly adjusted? In theory at least the tangential tracking towards the center of the disc should be slightly more precise… probably only distinguishable with an altogether high resolving stereo rig.
Thanks for sharing the video. Your record player and speakers are fantastic. I'd love to know more about their design and construction. I'm building my own turntable and arm and this is good inspiration!
Interesting but a bit impractical in my view. Also I’d be interested to know what material the arm is made of as longer arms are more prone to resonance
Congratulations on having that record player, I want one like that, but let's see if I can do it, I've never made one, but I must learn how to do it, because I have 7-10 and 12-inch records and about 40 16-inch diameter records and I want to listen to them and well, the few that I have seen on CZcams are very expensive. That one you have here is something like what I use. Once again congratulations. ' Felicidades por tener ese tocadiscos, yo asi quiero uno, pero a ver si lo puedo hacer, nunca he hecho uno, pero debo aprender a hacerlo, pues tengo discos de 7-10 y 12 pulgadas y unos 40 discos de 16 pulgadas de diametro y los quiero escuchar y pues los pocos que he visto en CZcams son muy caros.Ese que tiene aqui, es algo como lo que yo ocupo. Una vez mas felicidades.
outstanding TT. Beautifull and sounding incredibly good ! If STradivarius had build TT instead of Violins, they would have surely looked somehow like this one ! Have you any web site where you detail the building process of these amazing arms ?
It's a nice approach to reducing tracking errors, but very long arms tend to have resonance issues that reflect/feedback into the cartridge. Good ones, like the Graham 12" arm have solved this problem, but are $$$$$. VPI also has a 14" arm that due to its length doesn't require the shell to be offset as the error with such an arm is less than that of even an offset 12" arm.
Hm... Have you checked internal resonances of such looooong tonearms? There are no materials stiff enough with a such diameter and a length. An effective mass I guess is insane. You are limited with only few Japanese cartridge models. I hope you've found a crazy customer for that ... piece of art.
A very detailed analysis of why you chose this approach to vinyl playback would be appreciated. Why length, table design & approx materials cost, USD. Very very nice sounding demo. Details for speaker/amp combo? Thanks in advance! Al R.
Trial and error I suppose and the sheer curiosity if and how it works. Many great inventions of mankind were made like this. Even though I highly doubt that in the inherently imperfect turntable/ vinyl system itself can be achieved reasonable improvement without completely negating practicality. Nice to look at and great handcrafts though…sound isn’t lifelike. Got myself the Eva Cassidy cd …sounds WAY more lifelike on a really good CD player and system.
Any system will sound half decent when not given a complicated piece of music to reproduce (go to any Hi Fi show to witness this). Eva has such a depth and tone to her voice which gives an overwhelming sense of emotion when she sings. This seems to be missing here and her voice sounds a bit sterile. Maybe its because the speaker is firing directly towards the cartridge, who knows but I have heard Eva sound better.
@@alanrogs3990 Its just a bad design. The plinth is like a sail catching everything the speakers throw at it which in turn will affect the arm and sound. Basics are small isolated plinth, rigid tonearm and keep it away from the speakers. You don't need anything bigger than a 12 inch arm. This turntable is a shocking design.
I tried a 200 inch fishing rod... Man, that was the best ever.... I could even use it as a remote from my listening seat, didnt have to stand up skipping a track... 👌😄 I am just kidding... I think its gorgious a 12 or 15" arm.... beautifully made. 👍
Why not making that arm longer than that? It seems you've way more room in there. (The longer you make it the closer it gets to being perfectly tangential...)
Beautiful turntable design !! I wonder what kind of platter bearing you are using? I am a fan of the Well Tempered tables and it looks like your tonearm pivot point is similar. Amazing system !!
Now I want to hear it with both tonearms playing at the same time into the left and right speakers. Like a big mess, obviously; but that is the first thing I'd do if I had such a setup. Really cool setup in any case.
Experiment! Thin bamboo tube may have a resonant frequency which is quite high! Fiberglass & / or composite material may minimize resonance issues. Materials may be inexpensive, to free! Assemble it yourself! May be delicate, as are modern cartridges. Moving coil cartridges should impart very little vibration. In, `the old days,' cartridges used crystals, which, while more distorting, worked! Requited more tracking force, sometimes a LOT, incurring wear on the disc -
"Beautiful, but I doubt" The lie is before the "but" the truth after. Negative Nancy much? Can or have you done better? Please share if you have. Why not just give credit where credit is due. This is what it looks like... Great job!
@@jootb I would hate to be seen as someone who is negative for the sake of it so let me respond. I have given credit where due, it is indeed beautifully made. I would be glad to have the tools and skills to make such an object. However, a tonearm is not purely an exercise in aesthetics. It is there to face up to some technical challenges. Why is it unfair to point out one's doubts when a design focuses single-mindedly on one of these challenges, thereby making it more difficult to meet another equally important one? Of course it may still work. Maybe the length and slenderness of the arm wand puts its resonances in a range where they are less harmful.
@@jootb Ha ha, you actually used the "don't criticise it unless you can do better" "arguement" in public, where people can see you. Why would anyone do that?
Great work, but always the same music, which will sound great on any player! Eve Cassidy, Diana Krall, which in fact are easy to reproduce. I want to hear when it really get's tough, and not via internet!
Perfect tracking angle at the expense of tonearm resonance? Interesting! Sounds good reproducing female vocal and acoustic guitar for sure. But I would be keen to see how it handles heavy bass.
One of these days I will convert my 12" WT clone to this 15.7" (400mm) arm. All I need to do is to find the space to place the 16" arm. It just a matter of changing the arm-tube to a longer one.
I tried a 200 inch fishing rod... Man, that was the best ever.... I could even use it as a remote from my listening seat, didnt have to stand up skipping a track... 👌😄 I am just kidding... I think its gorgious a 12 or 15" arm....
@@yong-wookshin9091 so your turntable need 90cm long ... 👍 Diy turntable and tonearm are my favorite . My turn & tonearm czcams.com/video/ULZdLL4KLRU/video.html
@@yong-wookshin9091 네 감사합니다. 저도 한번 제작해 보고 싶어서 선생님 자료 이것 저것 찾아 보고 있습니다.ㅎ 그런데 spindle bearing을 기성품을 찾고 있는데, 가격대도 있고 해서 판매하는 곳을 찾기도 어렵고, 아직도 무엇을 써야 할지 아직도 정하지 못하였습니다. 모터도 아직 정하지 못해서,, 턴테이블을 diy하는 것이 처음이라 부품을 정하기가 힘드네요. 혹시 실례가 되지 않으시면, 조그만한 팁좀 주시면 안되나요?
Impressive job.However, while a long tangential tone arm may reduce tracking angel error, a well placed and well designed tone arm with a proper overhanging tracking angle may achieve the same result or even better with a shorter arm length, resulting in a stiffer and more rigid mechanical advantage in low frequency response and better attack of bass quality. The motor , even though mechanically isolated from the mounting rack, it may theoretically better isolated from the platter and tone arm, and not mounted to the plinth, but sit isolated on its own. Just a one cent worth of personal opinion, no offence.✌️🙏. The finish is fantastic.
@@fredzep01 Except reel to reel , but very expensive and so little content available . It also loses high freq. content with repeated playing as oxide flakes off .
@@biketech60 That's why cd won the day back in the day. We were blagged it was indestructible and will last a life time without any degradation to the sound. Although it's a pity because vinyl was way better sounding back then it's just the Sony and Phillips put millions into their propaganda to kill it.
Naja, Geschmäckern sind verschieden. Man kann's auch übertreiben. Mit was will man so ein Teil gegen Staub abdecken. Für eine Abdeckhaube braucht man zwei Mann. Und bis der Ton durch die langen Tonarme durch ist, dauert es eine halbe Ewigkeit.😱😱😱😱 Viele Grüße aus Germany
Wieso wurde die Tonarmbasis nicht gezeigt? Und wie sich so ein überlanger, dünner Tonarm bezüglich der Resonanzen verhält, steht auf einem anderen Blatt.😱😱😱😱😱 Viele Grüsse aus Germany
I have an SD card. Done. Easy. Plays on many machines, very inexpensive, keeps you looking like you haven't lost your sanity, that never skips, has zero resonance problems, or tracking issues, weights, adjustments, humidity temperature drift forgiving, kids jumping around, dog licking, rain storm soaked, washing machine/dryer in pocket proof, uses very little power, holds numerous amounts of HiFi audio, video, games, OS's, genetic sequences, even virus's, :) ETC. And it sounds awesome.
Outdoors during daytime , but at night with a record on the platter and the stylus in the grooves… ooooh my what a bliss! Any music lover out there? Amen?
I have never seen such a big record player in my life .
Amazing wonderful
wait until my D hahaha
Crazy amount of DIY skill in this setup . A super long arm approaches the performance of tangential tracking , IMO .
well, I'm 73, and had both systems, tangential did not sound better! Oh 40 years ago!
@@cirrus1964 were both your systems and their cartridges perfectly adjusted?
In theory at least the tangential tracking towards the center of the disc should be slightly more precise… probably only distinguishable with an altogether high resolving stereo rig.
pretty sure the lathe that cuts the lacquer is radial, so...
@@donovangmike ..maybe tangential tonearms are more a believers thing. Just like one meter long tonearms…LOL
@@cirrus1964 at least with a tangiental, you don't have to choose an alignment compromise or worry about anti-skate
Stunningly beautiful. Great job
I love DYI stuff, specially one with that took such precision and effort. Thanks for sharing.
These arms are not DIY
A work of art! awesome video.
Самое лучшее что я когда то видел. Браво.
Beautiful set... WOW!
Wow! I look at craftsmanship after which I enjoy the music 🎶. Thank you for sharing brother.
Super set up. Enjoyed watching & listening❤
Outrageously beautiful DIY system
Thanks
Simply BEAUTIFUL
Thanks
A masterpiece, genuine handcraftship!
Thanks for sharing
Thanks
@@yong-wookshin9091I’d love to hear about your speaker build.
Precioso, una verdadera joya.
is a piece of art.
Beautiful.
quel beau travail simple et elegant
spectacular project, you are a genius
Thanks
Spectacular!!!!
Very nice presentation....!
Very interesting.. sounds & looks great 👍
Just fantastic! Hope you are offering some up for sale one day! :D
Amazing , I would have loved to see more of the tonearm pivot point though ! Was it a similar idea to a well tempered arm and the damping concept ?
NICE DIY
Came here for the long tonearm stayed for the song
Thanks for sharing the video. Your record player and speakers are fantastic. I'd love to know more about their design and construction. I'm building my own turntable and arm and this is good inspiration!
How did it work out for you?
Nice, nice, nice :) Fantastic job! Can you show us the creating process? :)
magic 🤩
Amazing. The tracking error must be as good as zero with that arm.
Oh my, that's nice.
great job,i like diy too.
Interesting but a bit impractical in my view. Also I’d be interested to know what material the arm is made of as longer arms are more prone to resonance
I really like the round headshell. Can I ask you what are the dimensions? Thickness and diameter?
Piękny
Шикарно! Интересно самоделка?
What does a super long tone are do better than a regular length?
I would like to see a buildvideo of that turntable. Plz.
Aurally and visually, a work of art.
What did you use to enclose the tweeter?
Tweeter encloser is wooden cup.
What a gorgeous piece i want one please
Good evening. Does it have anything to do with Well tempered lab?
Congratulations on having that record player, I want one like that, but let's see if I can do it, I've never made one, but I must learn how to do it, because I have 7-10 and 12-inch records and about 40 16-inch diameter records and I want to listen to them and well, the few that I have seen on CZcams are very expensive. That one you have here is something like what I use. Once again congratulations. '
Felicidades por tener ese tocadiscos, yo asi quiero uno, pero a ver si lo puedo hacer, nunca he hecho uno, pero debo aprender a hacerlo, pues tengo discos de 7-10 y 12 pulgadas y unos 40 discos de 16 pulgadas de diametro y los quiero escuchar y pues los pocos que he visto en CZcams son muy caros.Ese que tiene aqui, es algo como lo que yo ocupo. Una vez mas felicidades.
outstanding TT. Beautifull and sounding incredibly good !
If STradivarius had build TT instead of Violins, they would have surely looked somehow like this one !
Have you any web site where you detail the building process of these amazing arms ?
Do you always judge the sound via a computer internet showdown?
@@cirrus1964 your name is PERFECT.
시간날때 테이블에 뒤쪽과 톤암 자세히 찍어서 올려주시면 너무 감사하겠습니다 😊
It's a nice approach to reducing tracking errors, but very long arms tend to have resonance issues that reflect/feedback into the cartridge. Good ones, like the Graham 12" arm have solved this problem, but are $$$$$. VPI also has a 14" arm that due to its length doesn't require the shell to be offset as the error with such an arm is less than that of even an offset 12" arm.
Which side sound the best?
Hm... Have you checked internal resonances of such looooong tonearms? There are no materials stiff enough with a such diameter and a length. An effective mass I guess is insane. You are limited with only few Japanese cartridge models. I hope you've found a crazy customer for that ... piece of art.
A very detailed analysis of why you chose this approach to vinyl playback would be appreciated. Why length, table design & approx materials cost, USD. Very very nice sounding demo. Details for speaker/amp combo? Thanks in advance! Al R.
Trial and error I suppose and the sheer curiosity if and how it works. Many great inventions of mankind were made like this. Even though I highly doubt that in the inherently imperfect turntable/ vinyl system itself can be achieved reasonable improvement without completely negating practicality. Nice to look at and great handcrafts though…sound isn’t lifelike. Got myself the Eva Cassidy cd …sounds WAY more lifelike on a really good CD player and system.
Cool
Вот это мой кот быстро разобрал бы))))
Any system will sound half decent when not given a complicated piece of music to reproduce (go to any Hi Fi show to witness this). Eva has such a depth and tone to her voice which gives an overwhelming sense of emotion when she sings. This seems to be missing here and her voice sounds a bit sterile. Maybe its because the speaker is firing directly towards the cartridge, who knows but I have heard Eva sound better.
Nothing beats a larger well made driver. Music is just simply fuller. It could also be the amount of oil in the tonearm pivot cups.
@@alanrogs3990 Its just a bad design. The plinth is like a sail catching everything the speakers throw at it which in turn will affect the arm and sound. Basics are small isolated plinth, rigid tonearm and keep it away from the speakers. You don't need anything bigger than a 12 inch arm. This turntable is a shocking design.
PS, you could snap the arm like a twig its so femmer. Its not a diy HI Fi turntable, it's a home made record spinner.
I tried a 200 inch fishing rod...
Man, that was the best ever....
I could even use it as a remote from my listening seat, didnt have to stand up skipping a track...
👌😄
I am just kidding...
I think its gorgious a 12 or 15" arm.... beautifully made. 👍
Did you have Mr Liu in Beijing make these arms for you special?
Nice setups, details on speaker , woofer and tweeter details please nice sound
can I order one?
Why not making that arm longer than that? It seems you've way more room in there.
(The longer you make it the closer it gets to being perfectly tangential...)
What is your rationale for this design?
I want a 6 feet long tone arm
Beautiful turntable design !! I wonder what kind of platter bearing you are using? I am a fan of the Well Tempered tables and it looks like your tonearm pivot point is similar.
Amazing system !!
Platter bearing and Platter are Welltempared's. Thanks.
Im fabricator and the fist thing i said to myself was....
What type of plater bearing ate you using?
No shit!
@@yong-wookshin9091 Did you get the arms from Liu in Beijing?
Now I want to hear it with both tonearms playing at the same time into the left and right speakers. Like a big mess, obviously; but that is the first thing I'd do if I had such a setup. Really cool setup in any case.
Den halte ich für besser als so manchen 100 kg Edelstahl Prügel. Ist das Selbstbau, oder zu Kaufen??
Beautiful, but I doubt that an arm of this length can be done without resonance issues that are worse than the problem it solves.
Experiment! Thin bamboo tube may have a resonant frequency which is quite high! Fiberglass & / or composite material may minimize resonance issues. Materials may be inexpensive, to free! Assemble it yourself! May be delicate, as are modern cartridges. Moving coil cartridges should impart very little vibration. In, `the old days,' cartridges used crystals, which, while more distorting, worked! Requited more tracking force, sometimes a LOT, incurring wear on the disc -
"Beautiful, but I doubt" The lie is before the "but" the truth after. Negative Nancy much? Can or have you done better? Please share if you have. Why not just give credit where credit is due. This is what it looks like... Great job!
@@jootb I would hate to be seen as someone who is negative for the sake of it so let me respond. I have given credit where due, it is indeed beautifully made. I would be glad to have the tools and skills to make such an object. However, a tonearm is not purely an exercise in aesthetics. It is there to face up to some technical challenges. Why is it unfair to point out one's doubts when a design focuses single-mindedly on one of these challenges, thereby making it more difficult to meet another equally important one? Of course it may still work. Maybe the length and slenderness of the arm wand puts its resonances in a range where they are less harmful.
@@jootb Ha ha, you actually used the "don't criticise it unless you can do better" "arguement" in public, where people can see you. Why would anyone do that?
Sibilance Distortion …. Aaaargh
Having all this ill get old too quick hahhha
I differ! On the contrary it makes a young heart and strong muscles, and a long lasting smiling face🤩
It's impossible to hear what this is actually like, because you're playing it through the internet and what ever speakers/headphones you're using
I gotta build something like this
$200 at least, maybe $300. Plus the $50 cartridge!
Great work, but always the same music, which will sound great on any player! Eve Cassidy, Diana Krall, which in fact are easy to reproduce. I want to hear when it really get's tough, and not via internet!
Is this DIY turntable?
Perfect tracking angle at the expense of tonearm resonance? Interesting! Sounds good reproducing female vocal and acoustic guitar for sure. But I would be keen to see how it handles heavy bass.
One of these days I will convert my 12" WT clone to this 15.7" (400mm) arm.
All I need to do is to find the space to place the 16" arm. It just a matter of changing the arm-tube to a longer one.
I tried a 200 inch fishing rod...
Man, that was the best ever....
I could even use it as a remote from my listening seat, didnt have to stand up skipping a track...
👌😄
I am just kidding...
I think its gorgious a 12 or 15" arm....
My 12" arm.. czcams.com/video/4ZTHAEkfiQ8/video.html
Do you have any Instagram account to check more on your system?
Nice turntable
Thanks
@@yong-wookshin9091 the tonearm how long bro?
@@regular144 effective length is 400cm.
@@yong-wookshin9091 so your turntable need 90cm long ... 👍
Diy turntable and tonearm are my favorite .
My turn & tonearm czcams.com/video/ULZdLL4KLRU/video.html
@@regular144 Your turntable is beautiful. Good sound!
혹시 가로, 세로, 높이의 길이를 알수 있을 까요?
나무 플린스 사이즈는 920 x 250 정도 두께는 45mm 정도됩니다.
@@yong-wookshin9091 네 감사합니다. 저도 한번 제작해 보고 싶어서 선생님 자료 이것 저것 찾아 보고 있습니다.ㅎ
그런데 spindle bearing을 기성품을 찾고 있는데, 가격대도 있고 해서 판매하는 곳을 찾기도 어렵고, 아직도 무엇을 써야 할지 아직도 정하지 못하였습니다. 모터도 아직 정하지 못해서,, 턴테이블을 diy하는 것이 처음이라 부품을 정하기가 힘드네요.
혹시 실례가 되지 않으시면, 조그만한 팁좀 주시면 안되나요?
When the singer sings so slow that the melody fall in pieces.
Did you build this yourself?
Yes, I did make it.
저도 하나 제작해보고싶군요
@@yong-wookshin9091 it’s just gorgeous. I love the build. How did you come up with the correct measurements? Are you an engineer?
Impressive job.However, while a long tangential tone arm may reduce tracking angel error, a well placed and well designed tone arm with a proper overhanging tracking angle may achieve the same result or even better with a shorter arm length, resulting in a stiffer and more rigid mechanical advantage in low frequency response and better attack of bass quality. The motor , even though mechanically isolated from the mounting rack, it may theoretically better isolated from the platter and tone arm, and not mounted to the plinth, but sit isolated on its own. Just a one cent worth of personal opinion, no offence.✌️🙏. The finish is fantastic.
All things being equal and with the alignment done properly, a longer arm should sound better due to less tracking error.
Why is it that audiophile turntables are almost always demo’d using simple recordings, usually a female voice with bare accompaniments?
おもしろい(^_-)ですね、この発想はなかったです、アームの詳細知りたいですね！また頑張ってください⁉️
There are people who judge the sound here from the internet.
Many sour grapes....
The music is fantastic but I suspect that the master is not an analog one. Maybe it's the sound on youtube. I don´t know...I'm unshure.
Music is being played from LP.
Beautiful of course, yet there's a lot of sibilance on those inner grooves. At least that's how this video sounds.
i heard that, too...but it's a wonderful device, though
i got that too, sibilance and a lot of sound stage echo. got to respect the engineering though.
Hilarious
Can’t overcome the inherent deficiencies of LPs ….
when it's done right nothing sounds better than vinyl
@@fredzep01 Except reel to reel , but very expensive and so little content available . It also loses high freq. content with repeated playing as oxide flakes off .
@@biketech60 That's why cd won the day back in the day. We were blagged it was indestructible and will last a life time without any degradation to the sound. Although it's a pity because vinyl was way better sounding back then it's just the Sony and Phillips put millions into their propaganda to kill it.
tone arm pretty small
Logické řešení problémů krátkých ramen.
Bro.... anti-skating must be hard to set up
Dust catcher ….
Naja, Geschmäckern sind verschieden. Man kann's auch übertreiben. Mit was will man so ein Teil gegen Staub abdecken. Für eine Abdeckhaube braucht man zwei Mann. Und bis der Ton durch die langen Tonarme durch ist, dauert es eine halbe Ewigkeit.😱😱😱😱 Viele Grüße aus Germany
Wieso wurde die Tonarmbasis nicht gezeigt? Und wie sich so ein überlanger, dünner Tonarm bezüglich der Resonanzen verhält, steht auf einem anderen Blatt.😱😱😱😱😱 Viele Grüsse aus Germany
Tweter too messze van a midwoofertől
I have an SD card. Done. Easy. Plays on many machines, very inexpensive, keeps you looking like you haven't lost your sanity, that never skips, has zero resonance problems, or tracking issues, weights, adjustments, humidity temperature drift forgiving, kids jumping around, dog licking, rain storm soaked, washing machine/dryer in pocket proof, uses very little power, holds numerous amounts of HiFi audio, video, games, OS's, genetic sequences, even virus's, :) ETC. And it sounds awesome.
Модель для однокомнатной квартиры ?😂. А жить где ?
Как эксперимент - ДА, но для практического использования - ПЕРЕБОР...🤔
Nice equipment tho but I’d rather be outdoors
Outdoors during daytime , but at night with a record on the platter and the stylus in the grooves… ooooh my what a bliss! Any music lover out there? Amen?
Tecnicamente, è una delle peggiori cose che potessero fare (il braccio).
ᴅᴀs ɪsᴛ ᴀᴜᴅɪᴏᴘʜɪʟɪsᴄʜ!