Renault Zoe 50 - Have They Screwed It Up Like The Leaf Or Is It Actually A Good Refresh?!

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  • The new-ish Renault Zoe 50 (2020). It gives the best range for the price but is there a downside or is it just great value?
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  • @tubularap
    @tubularap Před 3 lety +10

    0:00 - "It's raining, it's windy. I'm wet and miserable." - That is the kind of intro I have been waiting to see somewhere, once. Not kidding. Brilliant and honest !!

  • @Telcontarnz
    @Telcontarnz Před 3 lety +5

    You have got better and better over the years, and are doing some of the best and honest car reviews. Well done, great review.

  • @edwyncorteen1527
    @edwyncorteen1527 Před 3 lety +35

    All EVs should come with Rapid DC charging and a Heat pump, Renault can get away with 22kW AC only in France where the chargers are everywhere, all RHD Zoe should include CCS, there will be many disappointed buyers who did not know they need to add this option and most dealers will not know they need to insist on adding it!

    • @XavierCathyGabrielElliott
      @XavierCathyGabrielElliott Před 3 lety +2

      Charger are not everywhere in France.
      I’m going there this summer, like every year, and I have to take a 150km detour because my usual route doesn’t have enough chargers (I just transitioned to ev)!

    • @cultistofgyarloth
      @cultistofgyarloth Před 3 lety +4

      My dealer informed me about CCS but left it up to me, he said many customers got along fine with just 22 kW (Switzerland). I still took the option because I believe the Zoe gives the best of both worlds.
      Keep in mind this is the only car with 22 kW included by default, even Tesla charges for this upgrade, and the 22 kW upgrade for Tesla is a lot more expensive than the CCS one for the Zoe. Heat pump is default as well, VW and BMW charge for this.

    • @williamgoode9114
      @williamgoode9114 Před 3 lety +1

      DC cabling is more dangerous, CCS won't be the industry standard, Tesla got that right too, most DC equipment is limited to about 60v, like eGO etc

    • @cjmillsnun
      @cjmillsnun Před 3 lety +1

      @@williamgoode9114 So why does the Model 3 have CCS?

  • @nickieredshaw7835
    @nickieredshaw7835 Před 3 lety +3

    We just brought ze50 gtline ccs , and got good deal off .done 1800 miles in under 5 weeks and cost less than 1p a mile on electricity so can’t knock it’s Efficiency had 190 miles in bad weather at 60-65 mph on motorway with 26 left and had upto 260 range in mixed town and a roads keeping to speed limits with upto 5.8 miles per kWh , had 210-260 ranges so better than wltp , which is good . Enjoying every moment first ev tried a few others and like you say for miles per £ it’s great . Family of 4 and everyone happy in Zoe . Going on long trips in summer holidays so it will be test of boot , but had £127 of shopping over week and with floor in the back fitted it all in so that’s good for small car. Saving 150-200 £ in first month in fuel. So all in all were happy with our first ev !

  • @andrewdyson4255
    @andrewdyson4255 Před 3 lety +8

    Thank you, I never stop learning something from your videos, blimey this week the speed limit is 70 mph.......gulp

  • @trumptypumpty
    @trumptypumpty Před 3 lety +3

    Great review Andy, you're bang on regarding ccs charging particularly when we look at what's happening with ev's over the next couple of years and beyond.

  • @jcfallows
    @jcfallows Před 10 měsíci +2

    August 2023 I recently bought a two year old Zoe GT LINE. Your road test conclusions were spot on! The built in 22kw charger and having a CCS 50KW Plug is very handy! The price was under £15k with only 9K miles and 3 years of warranty left! Finance 2.4% APR. BARGAIN!

  • @mike_nelson
    @mike_nelson Před 3 lety +2

    Thanks for your videos! Quick pointer on a typo- "but has is their". Appreciating the down to earth informative videos as always!

  • @peteg8920
    @peteg8920 Před 2 lety +3

    One thing reviewers do not consider in England is the rust proofing new cars are given. I live in Sweden and always keep my cars for years so its important when buying new or used. Here the major car magazine always tests new cars and the Renault Zoe gets maximum points. Otherwise most of the Evs have relatively poor rust proofing. So the Zoe is a good buy if you intend to keep the car and even replace the battery in the future.

  • @markosullivan6444
    @markosullivan6444 Před 3 lety +9

    Your videos are always entertaining as well as informative. I've clicked the bell icon as I look forward to seeing your videos in my notifications. You deserve more subscribers!

    • @David-bl1bt
      @David-bl1bt Před 3 lety +2

      Maybe a lot of people just don't 'get' the Yorkshire sense of humour.

  • @garethedwards2883
    @garethedwards2883 Před 3 lety +17

    I think it is one of the best EV's on the market but your right the CCS charging should be fitted as standard, come on Renault it's 2020.

    • @euruproktos1278
      @euruproktos1278 Před 3 lety +3

      Many Many businesses use Zoe for local deliveries and they never need CCS. You want CCS? Spec it and stop complaining!

    • @garethedwards2883
      @garethedwards2883 Před 3 lety

      @@euruproktos1278 My point is you shouldn't have to spec it therefore paying extra, it should come as standatd.

    • @doggylover1958
      @doggylover1958 Před 3 lety +1

      Agree it should be standard on any car costing this much. It isn’t exactly a budget Dacia Sandero is it?

  • @Kenny177245
    @Kenny177245 Před 3 lety +1

    Hey EVM,
    Love your reviews.
    I drive this car and have not been triggered at all by any of the comments.
    You just give really great trusted reviews and recommend your videos to people.
    Keep up the great work!

  • @craigevans6156
    @craigevans6156 Před 3 lety +43

    Without rapid charging, it cannot be a practical long term option. The resale value alone will be affected without CCS.

    • @stevecapper9321
      @stevecapper9321 Před 3 lety +5

      u can charge upto 43kwh fast charge on electric highway chargers on all motorway services on just the standard type 2 plugs I have done it on my 22kwh Zoe no problem takes about 40 mins to do it to 100 % .

    • @SandyRitchie
      @SandyRitchie Před 3 lety +12

      @@stevecapper9321 up to 43kW on the Q motor. The new Zoe 50 ONLY comes with the R motor. So if you don't spec CCS you can ONLY charge at up to 22kW maximum. If its a only car, you don't have a home charger perhaps and you don't do long trips then it'll be absolutely fine. If you want to do long trips however you'll want the CCS option (even if its proven to top out at 44kW in multiple tests) as a 2+ hours stop to charge might be a bit jarring on a long trip.

    • @Zimpaz
      @Zimpaz Před 3 lety

      What do you use to plug your mic into when your outside? Phone maybe?

    • @itsfahys
      @itsfahys Před 3 lety +2

      @@SandyRitchie Yes a lot of people get caught out with the Old Zoe. The Faste 43AC was pretty rare in the original Zoe. I had the Zoeze40 with R Motor so could only do 22kW AC but travellin in Ireland the distances arent that great so one charge on a longer trip over lunch was fine. If i was buying a Zoe now though id have to have CCS for convenience and Resale value.

    • @petecoventry6858
      @petecoventry6858 Před 3 lety

      It has CCS so yeahl. It's just a shame the Lane keep assist is crap - the app is crap and after 6 months it needs a shit loads of updates at the dealer!

  • @ewadge
    @ewadge Před 3 lety +1

    Very nice review Andy. I really enjoy your reviews.

  • @Odinscrow1962
    @Odinscrow1962 Před 2 měsíci

    Great video. I’m pleased I located your content. The information will benefit many including myself. My first Motability car will be in 4 - 7 months. ❤

  • @taztaz79
    @taztaz79 Před 3 lety +19

    Compared with ZE40 the 50 is lightyears better according to me.. better interior, better light, better soundproofing, display percentage charge on display and so on... im sooo happy with y ZE50....

    • @bbcooter388
      @bbcooter388 Před 3 lety +1

      Congratulations !! Courious; did you get the CCS option ?

  • @smithy4121
    @smithy4121 Před 3 lety +23

    We had pretty much decided to buy the Zoe from looking on the Internet due to the price and range until we went and actually sat in it. My hubby who is close on 6 foot tall thought the driving position was OK. I'm 5' 5" and when I sat in it the 1st thing I said to the salesman was how do I raise the seat. He told me I couldn't and I said I'd need a booster seat to see over the the steering wheel (I have a bad back so I don't exactly sit up straight). Then when we got in the back I realised there was no way my 14 year old would be able to fit in as I couldn't fit my feet under the seat and her feet were as big as mine. I don't think they should he selling a car without rapid charging tbh either. We kept our leaf for a bit longer and got a hyundai ioniq on lease thanks to a deal you shared on twitter so thanks for that. We love the ioniq for comfort, space, range and things they include as standard.

  • @didierlemoine6771
    @didierlemoine6771 Před 3 lety +12

    My sister charges her Zoe once a week with driving it around 20 miles a day

  • @Tron-Jockey
    @Tron-Jockey Před 3 lety +6

    For my Leaf I removed the false floor and purchased a new matching rim with full spare tire, scissor jack and lug wrench (all on eBay for a very low price). Made my own foam cut outs to make it look factory. Now I need to come up with a slightly modified false floor to cover it. The Zoe looks to have a boot deep enough to do the same.

  • @markcrowley7042
    @markcrowley7042 Před 3 lety +21

    We are on our 3rd ZOE, we have a GT Line, cracking car - however I do agree re the CCS

  • @NigelWickenden
    @NigelWickenden Před 3 lety +13

    As I can't afford a TM3, I'm happy with my 64kWh Hyundai Kona. 200 miles at 70MPH in temps of -3C with heating & aircon on.

    • @GavinScrimgeour
      @GavinScrimgeour Před 3 lety

      Nigel Wickenden that’s the info I was after - thanks 👌🏾

    • @wobby1516
      @wobby1516 Před 3 lety

      Nigel Wickenden
      Me too, the kona electric is a great car, but would love the model Y.. Roll on next month and Ernie ££££

    • @jasongreen2306
      @jasongreen2306 Před 3 lety

      What kind of price difference do you have? In New Zealand a Kona lists at $78900 and TM3 is $81700

    • @NigelWickenden
      @NigelWickenden Před 3 lety

      @@GavinScrimgeour I was getting 3.2 miles per kWh from a car that had done 4,500 miles. The bonnet had frost on it as there's no ICE to warm it up. My BIG mistake was putting the seat cooler on when I started the journey. After a while I realised and put the seat heater on.

    • @1905934
      @1905934 Před 3 lety

      In Canada the Kona is more expensive... How good is the Kona supercharging network?

  • @TheJAMF
    @TheJAMF Před 3 lety +2

    11:25 Hey, that Aux input will be handy, when I connect my Rio Karma or Iriver H140. 😊

  • @alanjrobertson
    @alanjrobertson Před 3 lety +6

    100% agree re the screen - my first thought when looking at it was how dated it looked with the massive bezel!

    • @williamgoode9114
      @williamgoode9114 Před 3 lety

      Seemed a lot of reflection even in rainy Yorkshire, smaller windows for reduced solar gain, but no car has solved the big black heat absorbing dash where the majority of heat gain occurs, less of a problem in UK granted.

  • @AaronCocker
    @AaronCocker Před 3 lety +4

    Best review of the Zoe I've seen yet for the detail and your honest views, and some interesting conclusions, great job Andy!

  • @andyjamo1961
    @andyjamo1961 Před 2 lety +2

    Great review, having just bought the new Zoe Riviera I was told that all new Zoe’s are supplied with CCS 50KW rapid charging as standard now. The dealer Richard Sanders Kettering explained that only 10% of Zoe’s in recent times didn’t have the CCS option so from about June 21 it became a standard fitment. Strangely it lost the light over the drivers vanity mirror and inductive smartphone charging though

  • @stuartkirby4654
    @stuartkirby4654 Před 3 lety +2

    I have updated from the ZE40 after 3 years and now have the ZE50. The main reason is the extra range and slightly faster charging. I generally drive no more than 150 miles and then need a rest. The highway code says you should rest after 2 hours which is about 120 miles. In my old ZE40 the car would have little extra range in case of a detour or a charger not working but the new one has about another 50 miles which means this problem is solved! Only need better infrastructure now. Should have at least 12 chargers at each service station not 1 or 2!
    By the way, the new Zoe still has a button to press to remove the vacuum cleaner noise (when at low sleed) and make it silent. I was delighted when discovered it!

  • @pcr8918
    @pcr8918 Před 3 lety

    Yet to see Doug DeMuro do a review in the rain - or even in Yorkshire! Keep them coming👍

  • @vismantass.2942
    @vismantass.2942 Před 3 lety

    Do not excuse, whatever equipment you were using, hardly any wind noise, excellent sound, enjoyed the video, keep it up, thanks.

  • @clairehiggins7120
    @clairehiggins7120 Před 3 lety +1

    Totally agree about the rapid charging as standard, cheeky of them to do that.

  • @kevfquinn
    @kevfquinn Před 3 lety +4

    On range difference with the e-208 - that additional 30-40 miles covers the distance between service stations, so gives you the extra backup for when the Ecotricity CCS chargers at your chosen recharge motorway station are broken or occupied.

  • @leoclarke6462
    @leoclarke6462 Před 3 lety

    A good honest review Andy

  • @David-bl1bt
    @David-bl1bt Před 3 lety

    A refreshing review.
    BTW, I can't find the Tesla or octopus links in the description.

    • @komoriboy
      @komoriboy Před 3 lety

      Here's my Octopus link if you want to use it?
      share.octopus.energy/alive-dove-609

  • @adriancarey7848
    @adriancarey7848 Před 3 lety +4

    "the stereo", down to earth man👍 agreed screen an after thought. Whats the point of 110 or 135. 135 and 200 maybe.

  • @jur4x
    @jur4x Před 3 lety

    In some Ford models RHD versions had somewhat inconvenient cabin filter placement. You needed to disconnect your fusebox in order to change one. On the other hand, you needed to remove accelerator pedal on the LHD version.

  • @watcher24601
    @watcher24601 Před 3 lety +5

    The new Zoe is a nice refresh with the upgraded interior and bigger battery.
    Shame the CCS is an option and at a time when new 150kw chargers are being installed, why does it max out at 45kw DC. For similar money I'd probably get the Corsa E, for the extra tech and charging...or wait for the next Zoe
    I also don't understand why popular features available with the previous model have been taken away such as the button to open the charge flap, or the central armrest and storage.

  • @timsmith5339
    @timsmith5339 Před 3 lety +5

    They are definitely limited to 87mph. My 88 bhp Zoe has the same top speed too, as does the 110. I'm sure mine could beat 100mph if it was let loose. It's not a problem though, it's a long time since I felt the need to max out every vehicle I have and 87 is more than I'll ever need.

  • @ianbailey2582
    @ianbailey2582 Před 3 lety +1

    Good review, I’ve ordered one, my first EV and looking forward to it!
    A big winner on range for me, and price is always negotiable 😉 especially at the moment!

    • @ianbailey2582
      @ianbailey2582 Před 2 lety

      @@tf9888 no regrets at all, it’s a brilliant car. If you are travelling a long way in one day just plan your charge point and have spare points in case the first one isn’t working!

  • @bazoo513
    @bazoo513 Před 3 lety +3

    Very complete, very reasonable. I agree with everything except for the desirability of AUX audio input - I _do_ use those.

    • @ElectricVehicleMan
      @ElectricVehicleMan  Před 3 lety +1

      Are you over 50?

    • @bazoo513
      @bazoo513 Před 3 lety +2

      @@ElectricVehicleMan It shows, eh? :o)
      I collect (well, hoard) ancient HiFi portable thingies.

  • @decimal1815
    @decimal1815 Před 9 měsíci

    Any resolution of the side airbag issue? That puts me off looking at the ZE50 tbh.

  • @Tom55data
    @Tom55data Před 3 lety +6

    CCS charging - requires few electronics as you are just directly charging the DC batteries with a DC charger that just pushes as hard as the car says it can take - does not cost £1000. There are protection circuits, but they are simple/cheap. That is different from AC charging which require high power inverters, cooling and electronics - that is what I would expect be £100's of pounds for. So yes, this is standard stuff from the car manufactures.

    • @levenkay4468
      @levenkay4468 Před 3 lety +2

      At a minimum, a DC charging inlet requires another contactor relay and extra high-voltage wiring. It's not trivial, and depending on where the battery terminals have to go, it may involve a fair length of high voltage/high current cabling. But I agree it's not something that should cost a thousand pounds either.

    • @williamgoode9114
      @williamgoode9114 Před 3 lety

      Does this battery have thermal management, cos a very high rate of charge for an extended period can over heat it, Tesla are precooled before charging

    • @edwinsmith9617
      @edwinsmith9617 Před 3 lety

      William Goode Yep it has active cooling (unlike the Leaf)

  • @immortalsofar5314
    @immortalsofar5314 Před 3 lety

    I love auxiliary inputs. If I decide to use my custom SSD hardware with an AM/FM/8 track/Cassette/CD/MP3/early smart phone player then I can. Future proofing is always good.

  • @mickcox5825
    @mickcox5825 Před 3 lety

    Have a GT rapid charge ordered and due next week. Will be a second car and second EV to go with our Model 3 SR+ range and boot size persuaded us, looked at mini but with two kids the only 3 door option put us off. Good honest review and agree re CCS (we 'only' paid £750 as ordered in feb) don't think we will use but handy to have in case or for re sale.

  • @benpaynter
    @benpaynter Před 3 lety +3

    Totally agree about CCS. Just seems nuts not to have it on every model as standard. Although you didn't mention that it can take 22kwh from a type 2 which I wish more cars had.

    • @swedishsaabguy1808
      @swedishsaabguy1808 Před 7 měsíci

      Also need to factor in that it isnt watercooled battery pack, much like the leaf. So batterylife might be an issue over when the car has a few years on it. Maybe the MG ZS ev first gen is a safer car, with ccs standard and watercooled battery.

  • @style11guru
    @style11guru Před 3 lety +3

    I'm soon to swap from a 22kwh 2014 rapid charge Zoe into the new GTline, that's for me the best upgrade option. If I'd had a 40kwh Zoe I'd probably be happy for another couple of years, but triple range and newer gadgets is a winner.

    • @bbcooter388
      @bbcooter388 Před 3 lety +1

      Are you getting the CCS Charging?

  • @DogsBAwesome
    @DogsBAwesome Před 3 lety

    I would be interested if the E-208 and the corsa-e have a less of a drop in winter if they have proper battery conditioning.

  • @Channy132
    @Channy132 Před 3 lety

    Agree with you on the screen thing - my first thought on it was it just looks like someone glued an old ipad there.... it bugs me too

  • @krispyai4229
    @krispyai4229 Před 3 lety +4

    A car review 🙂 Good stuff.

  • @sevesellors2831
    @sevesellors2831 Před 3 lety +1

    Great review probably the best electric car for the price and range.

  • @darrenj4310
    @darrenj4310 Před 3 lety +2

    Purchased ZE40 NEW whilst waiting for ZE50 ccs to be made.The ZE50 is leagues ahead.I average about 4 miles to a kw so 200 miles range with varied driving.The CCS charges at 43kw to 60% and about 30kw from 60-90% it then drops to about 20kw from 90-100%. You can add about 100 miles in 30 mins. The CCS is ESSENTIAL even if it costs £1000 because ALL Zoes are a pain to charge on AC, especially if the battery is cold.(Typically the ZE40 would only charge at 14kw on a AC rapidcharger & 21kw ( warm). The ZE50 with CCS is perfect for the current UK charging network.I would not even consider the new mini , honda , golf , i3 , leaf as their owners have told me they are only good for around 100 miles! I get 180 miles at a constant 70mph on the motorway in the ZE50.(3.6miles/kw). Driven gently 5 miles/kw is possible achieving 245 miles.I have completed 1500 miles in the ZE50 and cannot fault it. Drives much better than the last Zoe and the dash is a big improvemnt with the ipad style touch screen with apple car play allows you to mirror apps like Spotify & Google maps onto the screen.Reversing camera image goes full screen on display! Front parking sensors are very handy when approaching a charge point as Zoe charges from the front and allows you to get close. Dealers will discount if you ask £32k List /paid £26k after grant.Oh, and the car came with a fully fitted 7kw homecharger with 5metre cable attached fitted by BP chargemaster and costs just £1 per hour to charge at home and adds 30 miles per hour.These chargers can cost £1000 if fitted seperately but all new zoes come with this free of charge if you own your own driveway.

  • @LA09a
    @LA09a Před 3 lety

    Had my Zoe for just over a month.
    Great little car. My previous cars have been 'buses' - Sharan, Grand Voyager, Evoque and so quite a stepdown size-wise. Storage solved with false floor in the boot and armrest (though you lose a cupholder) to hide away small items.
    Other car in household is TM3 - can't compare, but I prefer the dials to virtually everything on touchscreen (which I have to re-learn each time I take the Tesla out). Despite this being a 'second' car, range was important as I don't want to have to borrow the Tesla for when I'll eventually be able to go on long trips. Getting good range for winter (160 miles). Seems economical. (NB - NHS so I am driving every day). btw - used Carwow for big discount so didn't notice the cost of the extras (CCS and accessories) quite so much.

  • @Sam-tx1tn
    @Sam-tx1tn Před 3 lety

    Nice review. North Yorkshire. You should try living in Scotland!

  • @subevo35
    @subevo35 Před 3 lety +4

    Went for the mg zs ev . More space for the the money.the retractable panoramic roof is Amazing as is the electric sunblind.ccs as standard.

  • @johndoyle4723
    @johndoyle4723 Před 3 lety +1

    Thanks, I don't know why I am watching this, as I have just taken delivery of my Kia. What it does tell me is I made the right choice.
    The screen is horrible, and no fast charging, are killers, the seats and headroom are also a secondary concern.
    As a town supermini it is probably fine.
    Thanks for a good review, as always.

  • @jonmoon6943
    @jonmoon6943 Před 3 lety

    CCS was an option on early i3 models and lack of it was a big negative for resale. I went for a version with CCS but have found that I have not used it in three years as it makes no sense on a car with a range extender / small battery. Totally depends on your personal use case. Agree it should be an at cost option though.

  • @redpillnibbler4423
    @redpillnibbler4423 Před 2 lety +1

    Thinking of buying a 2014 v.low mileage Zoe at a good price - your opinions please?

  • @cjmillsnun
    @cjmillsnun Před 3 lety +2

    I have to agree with you about CCS. It should be standard. Other than that it is a huge improvement over the ZE40

  • @davidsworld5837
    @davidsworld5837 Před 3 lety +2

    you could blow hot air on to the display that could over time effect the display

  • @christhesoundman
    @christhesoundman Před 3 lety +1

    I've just seen that they've carried on with one of my biggest complaints about our Clio. The internal front door handles are right at the front end of the doors. If it's a bit windy then you've got all that leverage of the door's length working against you. Even 6 inches further back would make a big difference. The handle design also means that as you operate the mechanism the handle isn't a strong thing to hold on to. There's that other handle further back alongside the electric window controls but that's not where your hand naturally falls.

  • @iro-huncarguy8367
    @iro-huncarguy8367 Před 3 lety

    Ik it's no comparison, but my 2007 Seat Altea xl doesn't have blanked out buttons. It's a base model but the limited rebel plus version. Still, this looks nice though. I really like the refresh of the inside

  • @slartybartfarst9737
    @slartybartfarst9737 Před 3 lety

    Cracking good test, agreed no CCS not good

  • @cannygrowabeard
    @cannygrowabeard Před 3 lety +3

    Lack of CCS as standard will make second hand searches of these a bloody nightmare (similar to the battery lease versions of the ZE40). Also am I right in assuming that without the CCS, you are stuck with 7.2kW charging or do those cars get 22kW three phase Type 2 charging?

    • @akacicaa
      @akacicaa Před 3 lety +1

      22kw ac is standard.

  • @jacopo.scarpellini
    @jacopo.scarpellini Před 11 měsíci +1

    You probably have realised by now that the Zoe only charges at 45kW on CCS, while the e-208 can charge up to 100kW, so the smaller range is more than compensated by the better charging speed

  • @markmayfield5673
    @markmayfield5673 Před 3 lety

    Any plans on doing e208 review

  • @bikesqump
    @bikesqump Před 3 lety

    I can't get a ZOE where I live but I think being able to opt out of fast charging is fine if you want a commuter or use for daily life around your town/city. You know how far your commute is so you won't have to stop and charge on the highway plus home power rates are much cheaper than public chargers generally.

  • @tedgreagsbey3654
    @tedgreagsbey3654 Před 3 lety +1

    Just for info, that front area with the key symbol is NOT to charge the key fob but is where you place the fob if the battery is flat in the fob. It's a standard 2032 button cell.
    Agree CCS should be standard.
    Pre conditioning and charge flap opening were standard on the old Zoe, but I think Renault have gone for a "standard key fob" across their range.
    I think the only version that has a "false floor" are those that have the Bose sound system.
    Oh! no mention of the totally crap My Renault app and the the fact that you cannot pre condition the car with either the app nor the in-car system. Helpfully the car and the app say its "working", NOT. This will be available "real soon now" via OTA and an app upgrade.
    For transparency I do own a ZE50.
    The lack of seat height is not a problem for me.

  • @errcoche
    @errcoche Před 3 lety +1

    The Chevy Bolt in the US has CCS as an option ( still seems to be true for the upcoming 2022 model year ). I bought a used Bolt and was careful to make sure it had CCS. I haven't used the CCS yet but it's there for a potential 180 mile trip from West Palm Beach to Orlando. I can't see me ever leaving the state of Florida in the Bolt. You never really fully deplete and fully recharge so I would tend to put one stop range at something like 170% of total range, so maybe 340 miles for the Zoe, especially as you are traveling at highway speeds and getting less efficiency. What seems really weird with the Zoe is giving you 22kW AC charging that you will never be able to use and not giving CCS. Replace the 22kW rectifier with a more modest 10kW unit and then put the savings into the CCS. This will hurt them IMO.

  • @jelomaxjoiner
    @jelomaxjoiner Před 3 lety +6

    Totally with you on sat nav screen , it looks like an afterthought, oh we need a screen stick it on top , as for no rapid totally wrong, should be standard

    • @yourcrazybear
      @yourcrazybear Před 3 lety

      @Richard Wood Atleast the screen in Tesla cars are not blocking the air vents like the Renault does. Plus you really can't integrate a screen of that size within the dashboard.

  • @ronaldderooij1774
    @ronaldderooij1774 Před 3 lety

    I hope they improved the battery management and longeivity of the battery.

  • @kardy12
    @kardy12 Před 3 lety

    I can see the motivation for keeping the glass surface small, but for those who have children who suffer from motion sickness and need to see the horizon to avoid being sick it’s not such a great thing...
    And I agree, CCS should be standard.

  • @bluetideuk
    @bluetideuk Před 3 lety +1

    I just got rid of my Zoe ze40. Lack of maintenance to locals chargers and the ones that did work I couldn’t use due to the Zoe’s fussy charging parameters. Ended up having to regularly sit at a rapid charger for an 1hour+ (not even reaching 100%) just to be able to run the car. If I was to get another ev in the future proper rapid charging will be a must especially with some charging networks (ie instavolt) only supporting ccs and chademo. Would I choose a Zoe with ccs I’d still say no due to Renaults fussy charging string my experience if another car can charge on it the Zoe should be able to too.

  • @michaeldawson6309
    @michaeldawson6309 Před 3 lety +6

    Thought I would give 3 things I like about this car and 3 things I dislike.
    Like.
    Range
    Style
    Soft dash materials
    Dislike
    Paying extra for CCS
    That small screen
    Fixed seats
    Mike

    • @andyjamo1961
      @andyjamo1961 Před 2 lety

      All new Zoe’s come with CCS 50kw DC charging as standard

  • @dlittlester
    @dlittlester Před 3 lety

    I love North Yorkshire, especially around Harrogate and Knaresborough. I was supposed to be there last month, but a little virus got in the way.
    The Zoe looks like it would fit the bill for me, but they're not sold in Canada, assuming I could afford one.

  • @jonathanmeazza427
    @jonathanmeazza427 Před 3 lety +12

    No good without CCS, also when reselling it I wouldn't even look at a car without CCS as you need that capability for unexpected journeys.

  • @LiamE69
    @LiamE69 Před 3 lety +1

    Swings and roundabouts of the charging. Most cars don't come with 22kw AC charging. Places like Ireland and France have 22kw charges everywhere, in the UK not so much.

  • @hugocass8381
    @hugocass8381 Před 3 lety +1

    On the face of it, £1k extra for the CCS option is a bit ripe, but look at leasing costs and you'll see that the CCS equipped car is actually less money per month to lease compared to the base car, presumably because of better residual values. Only a small proportion of new car sales in the UK are to people paying outright, so you should really be talking about leasing/PCP etc costs as well as list prices.

  • @klaushaunstrupchristensen7252

    Fine test of the Zoe. But just keep in mind that hot as in hot hatch belongs on a track. On the road you need comfort and stability. Hot hatches with stiff springs and even stiffer anti roll bars are fun 5% of the time and a nuisance 95% of the time.

  • @chrishyde1216
    @chrishyde1216 Před 3 lety

    You can get a 1-year old BMW i3 42kWh (120 Ah) for similar money, or a 2-year old of the same for £26-27k. How would that compare and wouldn't that be a better buy?

  • @taztaz79
    @taztaz79 Před 3 lety +4

    You can open the charging lid with the unlock button on the key fob.
    There is no filler floor in ZE50. Mine does not have one.

    • @yosyp5905
      @yosyp5905 Před 3 lety

      The false floor in the boot is an accessory. Every reviewer says you can't open the lid with the fob, and I haven't read anything on the manual. Are you sure you're talking about the ZE50?

  • @stud196761
    @stud196761 Před 3 lety +3

    Yes please try Hyundai ioniq electric

  • @Jonas_Fager
    @Jonas_Fager Před 3 lety

    The seat do move up and down. It's on a slop when you move it front and back. Think it's 4cm only tho. Might be enough for most ppl.

  • @problemchild1976
    @problemchild1976 Před 3 lety

    Just swapped from ZE40 to e208 and defo made them right choice.
    e208 much better spec and styling and in terms of range, I did 180 miles this week and had 50miles left on the range.
    Wasn’t the screen designed for the clio and then bolted into the Zoe?

  • @cawfeedawg
    @cawfeedawg Před 3 lety

    actually that aux in puts out noticeably better audio than bluetooth.

  • @mikek2218
    @mikek2218 Před 3 lety +6

    Meh... in this "city car" category, I'll take a Seat Mii and save some money and enjoy the greater simplicity... of course only if either of them were available in the US (which neither is). You guys have many more and better options there in the UK. I'm jealous.

    • @MrMoonX
      @MrMoonX Před 3 lety +1

      230miles plus isn’t a city car

  • @shaungilmartin1505
    @shaungilmartin1505 Před 3 lety

    seat might fit u but what about the next owner?

  • @AdamJermaneJones
    @AdamJermaneJones Před 3 lety

    You make AMAZING car reviews. You cover the stuff that ACTUALLY matters. Thanks

  • @gianfavero
    @gianfavero Před 3 lety +1

    To be honest I'm very happy to have saved 1000€ and the complexity of the ccs. Had the car for a year never needed to charge in such a rush that a 22kw charger wouldn't be enough.

    • @andyjamo1961
      @andyjamo1961 Před 2 lety +1

      It will effect retail value though as the cars without CCS charging option will always be worth less without it & be less desirable

  • @patrickh7368
    @patrickh7368 Před 3 lety

    Did Renault say anything about the K-ZE that got publicised about a year ago....looks a bit like a slightly larger Zoe...? 🤔

  • @PaulMansfield
    @PaulMansfield Před 3 lety +2

    The problem with the e-mini is it's only three doors.

  • @Dave-in-France
    @Dave-in-France Před 3 lety +3

    Hi EVM, this week I've test-driven both the Zoê 50 and the e-208 and I'm convinced that the Peugeot was slow, by comparison to the Zoê. However not including CCS in the Zoê is criminal. Here in France the Zoê can be bought with or without the battery - you can rent the battery.

  • @ateeqn1985
    @ateeqn1985 Před 3 lety

    Hyundai Kona has blank buttons in lower spec versions .. For the non existent seat ventilation..

  • @DashDrones
    @DashDrones Před rokem +1

    Love my Zoe, no CCS on it but who cares as all the public 'slow' chargers are 22KW in Ireland which is perfectly adequate 👍

  • @keithgeorge7338
    @keithgeorge7338 Před 3 lety +1

    Is it worth buying a type 2 cable to plug into untethered chargers? Does anyone use them very much?

    • @dadjv1926
      @dadjv1926 Před 3 lety

      Always a useful standby. I have used mine when I needed a top up out in the wilds of central Wales, plugged in for free while enjoying a meal and a read of the paper. Also useful at some National Trust properties!

  • @nickieredshaw7835
    @nickieredshaw7835 Před 3 lety

    When we ordered in April ccs was £750 option yes I should be free but saving money on the car with discounts so it’s ok I think , like armrest should be in car like others but was £150 option so these things add up to the price but the car good apart from that saved a good bit of car so options we free in a way and saving 150-200£ in fuel in first month so quids in.

  • @stevemick1957
    @stevemick1957 Před rokem +1

    Forget about good range in winter, we are down to around 116 miles when temp hits zero !

  • @antwnpowell
    @antwnpowell Před 3 lety

    The 22 kWh Type 2 on board charger is something I really wish my Kia E Niro had. In france there are many type 2 22 kWh public chargers that are much more reliable than CCS. Yes, I charged today at 45 kWh until 80% then it dropped off. Is Renaults offering much worse in the real world? Having said that, lots of chargers, eg IONITY are ccs only.

  • @jeremylister89
    @jeremylister89 Před 3 lety +3

    Good review. My 2007 Mégane has a huge glove box and covered storage between the front seats, drivers seat height adjustment and it's comfy reliable and very cheap to run.
    As you say Zoe has poor storage. Big negative for me.
    No seat height adjustment? Wow what an omission! Bad.
    Prefer manual handbrake (fun, trust, feel, serviceability), and spare wheel.
    As I do carry sheet material, can you get 2.5 metre boards inside (passenger footwell to rear hatch)?
    In too many ways EV credentials apart, it's a significant downgrade on my 13 year old basic car.
    Looks like a case of Renault having different opinion to me on what the essentials are.

    • @edwinsmith9617
      @edwinsmith9617 Před 3 lety

      You listed a bunch of things that a smaller car can’t do.
      You want and need a bigger car so don’t look for a hatchback?

    • @jeremylister89
      @jeremylister89 Před 3 lety

      @@edwinsmith9617 apart from car length (Mégane 2 vs Zoe is about 8 inches), the items I mention are achievable in a Zoe sized car.

  • @RobertOw83
    @RobertOw83 Před 3 lety +1

    The central unit has always been a non-issue for me in this car when looking at their pictures. Seeing your viewpoint and comments - I would have to agree, looks really out of place and tacked on as an afterthought, but I know it features in some of their other cars too. It's just odd. Which is a shame.

  • @Bin216
    @Bin216 Před 3 lety

    The pedestrian warning noise; there is a button to turn it off until you next stop, if you hold that button down, it changes the noise (this is the same as the ZE40).
    The binnacle/dashboard display; there are 3 layouts to choose from through the infotainment system, you can also customise the indicator noise and volume, you can apparently also change the background image for a custom one, but I've no idea what the requirements for this are; there is only one choice built in, but I guess off is also a choice. On the ZE40 there is a physical button on the right of the display, which cycles through 3 layouts (each with or without the background colour for 6 choices); the there are also different indicator noises, but these are fixed to 3 display layouts.
    There was a bug in the app where it was showing the range incorrectly, but they seem to have fixed that recently (it is converting km to miles then displaying that as miles, it was spot on if you multiplied the number in the app by 1.6, the guess-o-meter showed the correct range in the car). I have never received any notifications about charging, even though it is setup in the app (I do get Texts for the ZE40, even after the transition to the new app).

    • @Bin216
      @Bin216 Před 3 lety

      Also the marked key spot doesn't charge the key (it has a non-rechargeable CR2032 inside), it is the most sensitive spot for the car to detect it; it will tell you to place the key there if it can't detect it wherever it is.

    • @williamgoode9114
      @williamgoode9114 Před 3 lety

      Does seem strange, opening and closing cars with fob for years never had to change a battery yet

  • @AhhGeeProductions
    @AhhGeeProductions Před 3 lety +1

    Tastefully filmed in one of the UK’s best dogging hotspots.

  • @peterpage7322
    @peterpage7322 Před 2 lety

    Good video, thanks, but I’m surprised you didn’t mention the fact that it hasn’t got liquid battery cooling like the Leaf which really limits the battery life.

    • @ElectricVehicleMan
      @ElectricVehicleMan  Před 2 lety +1

      It's an air cooled battery, the Leaf doesn't even have that.

    • @peterpage7322
      @peterpage7322 Před 2 lety

      @@ElectricVehicleMan yes, I know. We had a deposit down on a new 64kw leaf, but cancelled when we found out about the lack of battery cooling. We were messed around for 3 months being told that it will be with us soon. We then found out that Nissan had put the delivery date back to February 2022, but the dealer lied and said it was December so as not to lose our purchase! We have now gone for a Kia EV6 that has liquid battery cooling. Love your videos by the way, so please keep them up!