DIFFERENT BREED!!😲 New formula 1 fans first time reacting to Group B: When Rallying Got TOO FAST
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DIFFERENT BREED!! New formula 1 fans react to Group B: When Rallying Got TOO FAST
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Ah, the good old days of Group B Rally, when drivers were crazy, engineers were mad, and spectators were stupid.
the prime years of rally
and now , the engineers are mad for other thing but the rest still the same xD
Own risk. They are adults.
Rally is a race against time in set stages. Group B was so insane that those cars back in the 80s were pushing 600 HP. When Group B was finally banned because of so many deaths, rally cars were limited to 300 HP until they were raised to 380 HP back in 2019 (if I'm not mistaken). There were actually plans for a class above Group B called Group S which produced prototypes like the Lancia ECV with over 800 HP.
The group A cars in the late 90's were pushing 400 hp on the dyno, but were being held back once in the car, I'm assuming you know about the legendary Toyota celica cheat from 1995?
@@mpainter22 yeah the one that handed McRae the championship.
380 HP spec WRC cars were introduced in 2017. This year new regulations were introduced and rallying went hybrid keeping the same 380 HP internal combustion engines but adding a plug in hybrid unit. Supposedly those 2 combined develop over 500 HP but it is only used in short bursts during acceleration.
@@W1interWolf yeah I wasn't sure of the year.
Even on the WRC era that rally cars were on paper making 300 hp the torque was suspiciously high in the likes of 50+kg for the kind of horsepower these cars were pushing.
also interesting fact, one of the best women drivers of all time (and probably one of the best drivers of all time in general) Michelle Mouton was driving for Audi in Group B.
She is the female goat without a doubt. Also only woman to win at pikes peak. She set a record in that audi but it was beat the very next year by another audi driver.
She also won the prototype class at 1975 24 hrs of Le Mans, together with Christine Dacremont and Marianne Hoepfner. An all-female driver team won their class at Le Mans long before it was woke and cool. One of the reasons that they won? Michelle kept driving on slicks in rain despite her pit asking her to come for wets.
a legend
Rally is a "time trial" race so it's just one car going through a section at a time and the fast time wins. There is a similar sport called Rallycross though, which is multiple cars at once, which you might enjoy.
I watched a rally that ended with a gap of 12 seconds between the winner and the sixth place after the last stage of that rally
a whole week of pushing through forests and bad roads, and everyone was less than a minute behind the winner
"They ain't got no guard rails!"
Me: "yeah, now you're gonna see how that turned out."
You guys should to a reaction to a Michele Mouton next. Woman group B driver that missed out on the WRC title just by being unlucky. Purely on pace she was right up there with WRC legends (Blomqvist, Röhrl etc) of that time. Josh Revell made a pretty good video about her.
Good times when there wasnt any quota needed. If you got the skills, you got the driver. If not, then not.
@@PresidentScrooge What are you blabbing about, there is no quota in Rally, never has been and never will be. Also if you think that "if your good enough, then all is fine" you clearly knows nothing of Mouton and the BS she had to go through.
@@madselmvig1457
I didnt say that there was a quota in Rally. I meant it in general about quotas undermining the achievements of women. Including having extra Formula championships for women only and a forced spot for a female driver in F1 youth academies.
The Audi engineers found fingers in the body work after stages....
Peugeot too...
More commonly called a time attack where the driver who completes the circuit in the fastest time wins. It's decided through what's called 'stages' or checkpoints and when the 2nd car goes he has to get through these checkpoints in a faster time to take the lead.
Group B was created for people who had more balls than brains. Thought I can tame this beast of a car and track. And tried to do it. Awesome drivers.
Like Henri Toivonen i suppose
In rally you have a driver and a co driver. The co driver reads out what's called pace notes, they're the directions for the track and it can include stuff like don't cut the corner or if the next bit is going to change from dirt to tarmac
If you want to how fast a car will go around a circuit, ask a F1 driver, if you want to know how fast a can will go, ask a rally driver
The World Rally Championship takes place in different countries with different surfaces to drive on. The points system works as follows: Each country where the race takes place has 8-12 or more stages. In these stages you have to try to get from point A to B as quickly as possible. At the end of all these stages, the person with the least overall time wins. This is how the points are distributed for the World Rally Championship. About the same as F1 points distribution in any Grand Prix.
A Car is only then fast, when you have fear to unlock it! Walter Röhrl
a rally event consists of multiple stages lets say 12. each one starts with 1 driver going at a time and then they wait a couple minutes and then let the next guy go. there are times where a driver catches up to the car infront and thats why u might see 2 rally cars racing its just cuz the guy infront was too slow. so each stage is timed and at the end of all the stages the drivers are ranked by time and the driver with the lowest total time wins the event. and its like f1 where 1st -10th place get points. and its a season with many events so at the end the driver and team with the most points win the championship .
Mostly they have 18 stahes or something sometimes even 22-23 stages.
Sup speed nerds. Y'all got a classic. Listen for that inline 5 and blowoff chittering on the Quattro. Gives me chills
Rallies are held on country-ass public roads that are closed for the event. Positions are determined by the stopwatch, since the roads are too narrow to start more than one car at a time (usually a minute or two between when the cars leave the starting line). Thing about Group B was that we never thought the rules *anywhere* (especially in the World Championship!) would never let anybody build cars with so much power.
Think of it as kind of like Group C sportscars on dirt? Companies certainly spent that kind of money building those things.
I have to admit..as much as I bitch about how I'm aging - I'm happy that I actually got to see those fucking things when they were new.
Cheers to you gentlemen, keep it coming! How about some stuff about club racing? Here in the US, our clubs are just about people who'd rather do proper motor racing instead of ovals or drags. No individual clubs about marque or displacement size.
So stoked y’all featured Group B Rally!!
Growing up in the US as a massive rally fan in the 90’s, it was SO difficult to watch races. I still don’t know why tally racing isn’t the most popular sport in the world.
You guys HAVE to check out “Max Attack rally Finland 2021” videos.
For 2022, WRC has had the three rally car manufacturers develop brand new hybrid motors, thus making the cars in 2022 totally new & a lot of kinks to get worked out-still amazing though! 2021, there was a rawness that 2022 hasn’t quite matched yet, but great things are ahead for WRC (World Rally Championship)! Stay frosty, gents.
Group B = Real man
“The dirt pile is little” those are roads dude. 😂
To quote Michéle Mouton: You had to be on the absolute limit and when you make a mistake at least 20 people are dead.
Rally courses are literally impossible to run by yourself, a driver is incapable of matching their reaction time to the speed of the course and chaotic variables that occur in real time. This necessitates the presence of the 'navigator' or 'co-pilot' who barks out the layout of the course up ahead of the car as it progresses through the course.
E.I.: in order for the car to hit the apex of turn 6 at full speed, it needs to be entering TURN 4 at 'this angle' of attack, has to come out of turn 4 in 'this gear' at 'this rpm' in order to carry enough speed through this straightaway into turn 5 and properly set yourself up for turn 6.
Essentially the navigator acts a second 'driving brain' that allows the pilot to react to the physics of the course layout before ever actual arriving at that point. This means, for all intents and purposes, to be a competitive rally racer you literally need 'see through time' and race your car 'in the future'.....
..... Cool huh?.... 😎
2:20 rally drivers and their fans are a different breed
rally drivers are the best drivers in the world
Each car starts alone. And then the time is recorded.
Rally isn't the same a circuit racing. You're not directly racing against other drivers in rally. You're racing to set stage times, and whomever completes the stage the quickest wins the stage. While there is more than one car on the track at a time, they've had staggered starts, so they don't interfere with each other, at least not normally.
It's only one car at the time, it's all about times
Oooh wow thank you
@@dunsonhouse I used to play rally cross game on the Nintendo 64
@@dunsonhouse Also the "tracks" are open roads, point A to point B, hence the lack of safety
Takes place on temporary closed public roads
Thank you for the comment my guy
'Looks like they could kill someone...!'
They sure did, drivers and specators alike.
It wasn't too uncommon to collect body parts (mostly fingers) out of the huge air vents at the end of a stage.
Keep going mookie , apreciated it
Boys like F1
Mans like Rallly
3 of us are high man. And 2 of them are you guys.Love it! Great content! Ill check some more of your videos.
No doubt the rally drivers are the best in world! it's crazy how close they are to peoples and animals in the video and no one gets hurt.
Not in the video but in real life sometimes cars endup killing spectators. Sometimes they misjudge a corner and end up flying into the crowd.
FYI, it wasn't a men's sport, there was one female driver in Group B (Michèle Mouton) and a few female navigators, one of them Michèle's navigator.
Thank you my guy sorry about that
@@dunsonhouse - No need to apologise, I wasn't telling you off, far from that! It was just some useful information but it also might have been a "hint" for you guys to check out the video about Michèle's career on Group B. 😉
Great video's guys. keep up the work!
few years back i bought a couple old group b rally cars, fully restored them, and now have one for daily driving, and one for fun
Im so happy that i have seen this live when it happend in the 80,s 😂😂😂
These guys even understand, what they are looking at. "one driver, one navigate!" Good night
group b was SICK
They even had a crew taking care of the mechanichs after each race because sometimes they would find fingers from the spectators stuck on the cars. PTSD.
My dad has been in the rallye business since the late 60's asked Björn Waldegård (I think) what do you do when people are on the road? I am breaking. And then asked Walter Rörhl the same. I am flooring it!
Ford had what they thought would be a Group B legion, the RS200. It was due to debut until the group was dropped. There are still a few about if you have a spare £300k. The Road version was the tamed down RS2000
The RS200 was the car that crashed into the spectators, injuring & killing some, you could get a road version of it, the RS2000’s are the fast Ford Escort’s
The thing about the RS200 is that it really was going to be the next big thing, they just didn't have time to work out its kinks. The remainders that got sold off absolutely dominated the RX scene.
Audi was like 1000kg and 550 hp crazy
the 1983 winning Lancia 037 had well over 300HP
Crazy fast man
Y'all gotta watch Rallycross.
Finally hahaha Ya mon thats real driving hahaha
Im loving learning about F1 with you guys! But y'all still gotta react to that what if Messi and Ronaldo played together, it's a treat for you and mookie!
Group B... B for Bonkers
Try looking at the Isle of mann TT. Motorcycle road races on regular roads shut down for the timed race.
they go "alone" on the stages, the race the clock in different stages as its called.
01:26 Rally takes place every wher .On Tarmac , on hills, ongravel on ice ,on snow even some deep puddle and muddy curves are there. on villages and even city street stages are in rally.
Group b was banned after killing spectators
I think one of the criteria for original rally was that the course is not a race track. The course was all ways on existing roads and tracks thru the country side if europe. That way people from the little villages, simply closed the roads and waited for the race to roll thru. True community sport!
Rally has around 8 stages per rally and the person with the quickest time combined with all eight stages wins the rally
really depends on the event for WRC make it more like to 18 or 20 for locals rally sprints 8 sounds about right
When group B was at its best there could be 50 stages in one rally. Talk about crazy times back in the 80,s.
2:28 there were some deaths in this era of rally that's why it was banned in 1986
This isn't new it started way back in 1911 (Monte Carlo Rally). In the 60's the tiny Mini Cooper was winning at rallying... Watch some of the older ones and see if you recognise any of the cars...
Rally is set on stages in normal roads or dirt roads.
Appreciate the comment
People forget how wild the automotive engineering was back in the 80s and 90s. Them boys gave zero fks. Lmao
it is a race but against time...the one that beats the time wins thats why every car is on a different track
In Rally there is the driver and the co driver, who gives directions
Group B was effectively Formula 1 in the forest. Utterly mad, but amazing,
You seriously though rally was a little trick show? A stunt? Man what rock did you sleep under?
09:56 Yes think that time was NOT GPS but co-driver like in purpel T -shirt mister and if he make mistake and say wrong or even miss notes one curbe then is crash quarntied !
WRC Rally Finland 2021 - MAX ATTACK
Hey almost 80k subs keep frosty guys
Rallie is a time trial/time attack race.
Wooshhhh
They where rather boxy or wedgeshaped because they where designed in the 70s and 80s/ used in the 80s.
'WRC is for boys, Group B was for men' - Jahu Kankkunen (4x WRC champion) and yes, that includes the GOAT female driver Michele Mouton that almost won a Group B WRC.
The reason it was even more batsh1t crazy than people give it credit for: stages in the dark, and easily 4x as long, bad brakes, bad suspension, no safety (sitting on the fuel tank) and very hard to drive fast (even the more balanced ones) there was hardly any grip. Now add 600bhp with less than a 1000kg ... Total madness. If you guys want to learn more and see absolutely insane footage, checkout the 'Still too fast to race' or 'Group B madness' documentaries.
2 ppl dont control the car there's 1 driver and a co driver that reads pace notes
Just this weekend, in Madeira Island (Portugal) a rally car ran over a little girl (8 years old) who was crossing the street in the middle of the rally :(
Rally is in stages and each stage is in a different country
I'm glad you guys chose this video. Driver61 is valid
the rallies are time trials, so once car goes at a time and your trying to get the fastest time
All over the world in the forest It's against the clock one at a time.
Somewhat related, you may wish to check out the Pike's Peak Hill Climb. It's held in Colorado, up to the top of Pike's Peak. A video of the danger in it can be found at czcams.com/video/tz-Llrb5FJc/video.html
Group B overtaking rules 101 - If you can catch up to the guy in front of you, you have to pass somehow to overtake. On those streets that basically means you either drive all the way behind him and will not be able to gain more minutes on the scoreboard, or you hunt him that close that he, one of the best drivers ever, will drive himself to death. Which is in itself a risky thing to do. Just imagine to try to hunt ken block on roads like that to make a mistake before you do.
These cars are farther away from Nascars then the earth is from the sun! ^^
The driver that does the sickest drift wins the rally.
Ha, ha. Don't say that, they'll believe it. I think Ken Block has distorted the image of rally in America. And he can't really drive that well. I watched his first ever stage in world rally. He was a minute off the pace! After just one stage! And he had a good car with all the sponsors. What a loser.
The modern WRC Cars are even faster and the drivers go 10x harder they are not afraid of anything since the cars are so strong and there is more safety.
Check out sidecar racing guys, some of the craziest things you'll ever see on a track
Guys... Rally racing is a time trial race... not a traditional race...
Winner was determined by whoever get the
Fastest time during each stage.
Where did they drive . Off road on road. On ice and mud and gravel . Everyone was mental. The spectators tried touching the godly vehicles.. drives hoped they got out the way the spectators hoped they didn't get killed . . Pit crews needed phyc help because they'd fi.d bits of people in the panel gaps. Finger tips. Hair ears . I was lucky enough to not only live through these times but also got to go and watch one stage .
check out some rally cockpit view video
3:10 13:01 Rally Portugal one of the worse rallys when it comes to lack of spectaror control in the Group B era and was a additional reason to fatal accidents group B was banned by FIA in 87. I realy miss group B and my fav rally car of all times Audi Sport Quattro S1E2 :)
Rally are races on roads (obviously pre-established before and closed to traffic) against time (who takes less time wins).
I simplified a lot, there are many other rules but (who want) can go online (Wikipedia or WRC site) and get info (sorry for eng).
yo yo yo yall should check out rock bouncer crash complations their incredible
Ralley racing isn't about beating someone on track at same time. Its can you run same track faster than everyone else.
OUNINPOHJA!💓
Evry time i see americans that never saw group b rally i think how can that be rally is like well known motorsport
it's timed raced - the fastest car over the course wins.
Were you listening to the engine sizes.no 7.0s here I am old enough i walked 5 miles each way to watch them to perform in 1985 worth every step
The Mini won 3 races in a row I think?
If there is ever anyone who thinks Groups B was not dangerous as heck, please let me know here.
Can't watch this just for the intro yo-yo.
You guys should check out Nitro Rallycross
check first person view... without a navigator it would be madness.. let me get it straight... it is still PURE madness... just watch it .. or walter röhlr foot work .. MADNESS
React to hillclimb monsters car, they are veeeeryyyy faaassttt and is similar to rally, but in highway
Todays WRC car with half the power is faster than those Group B cars because of better tires and suspension.
Rally takes place all over the world lads.. 🌎